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about his covered policy. Welcome aspects of that speech, I would say he He emphasized house not march twenty twenty again and all the correct reasons that is so was opposed to school closures, which is good, gave trumped some credit. On the vaccines which is appropriate and maybe maybe maybe goes away too at the extreme margins reach summit the UN backs dollar. That seems premature, forlorn, hope at this point had some terrible moments. He says he took questions, the foremost of which was when he was asked. If it was a failure not to have in this. This major rapid testing initiative he's pro sing ready to go your prior to the opera chrome wave headings. I was not a failure, because no one saw this coming year Well. He also said he saw it coming to me and

did this was the most predicted thing about the painter? great everyone knew there was paying close attention that the North EAST the United States had not had a big delta the way other parts the countries did. Everyone knew that more. Could ass if it had common sense that, with her, they coming up a ton of people would be looking up. Resting sites so that they could qualified to get em an airplane? training whenever it if they have to do or merely because there do you consider it to their elderly relatives? Were someone else in compromised in their life once your Christmas. So you knew if you any sense at all. There's gonna be this huge rush for tests. and you also knew very likely that if the colonel Irish was gonna. Take more mutation.

It would likely mutate to be more infectious, so the spikes would get higher and the demand for test your desire to and thinking I mean that this has been known about for well over a year that the United States is totally out we're in the developed world. On approving terrorists and making them subsidizing women making the point of all. Let me lesson. Go. Join. Saki was asked about this she could scarlet. What do you want us to do and it send a test I was in America. What's Lake twenty countries. Estonia have done exactly it would be better than doing nothing and flooding the approvals for these tests, sit on the the, so you know this was seen and thereby monsieur she didn't didn't do enough to push FDA. To approve more tests and get us to testing abundance me what people?

I do is they want to move on to a position where covert is something you manage the risk individually, you manage your own risk mills resolutely, around you and you can do that with home tests. If their plentiful, you can't do that if they're not available so as a huge fear, though Jim figures focused on speech, a little bit here, usually mixed bag. On the one hand you can see they they they don't want to give in to panic on the virus, because, obviously, that that's not good for them and at some level they they know. Also, it's not warranted by buying this kind of in this in between place where, on the one hand he he sang that's not march. Twenty Connie again is a little bit like. You know that points towards what M M Vd saying say: we want to get to intervene.

you decide? You know you get vaccinated, you eliminate or significantly reduce the chance of a severe illness and there's no reason for you to shut down Your life, on the other hand, there's another part of the the speech that's still kind of in the in this, even though it says we should be past it kind of March. Two thousand and twenty zero mentality and then, at the end, in my view, is, is one of the big mistakes they made. That he never pivoted to ok we're not shut down the virus. I her promise. That's just not reality. It's gonna be with us, but we have axioms. We have treatments that will mitigate the severe outcomes for for most people is from most people were injured and get getting back to, but it can't quite go totally there Reggie Woodbine says it's not March twenty. Twenty, that's a really low bar to clear. We have we

completely unprepared van. We knew almost nothing about this. We have been told by the these government for three six weeks. If not contagious, don't worry about the sort of thing yet good for you, Europe, you got the country to a situation where it's more prepared. The March twenty What are you gonna, a gold star, a metal or a monument? What are things really appeared? In view of this? I can add a twitter thread about this intervention dissipate briefly in today's world, job. Yet me I'll be right. We have boosters. If your backs it in your booster. You really don't have that much to worry about from on the front, it'll probably come and go like a cold or the sniffles or the flu epidemic. That problem is one not going vaccinated and if you're not back stated by this point, I think you're pretty adamant. That is very clear that there is not an argument that splendid persuade you you have a couple who are, for medical reasons, not encouraged to get back sedated. Yes, there are people who are allergic to want to be greeted the vaccines again. Echo get one

and you have the issue of the people who are better the our backs native, maybe they're, boosted, the for whatever reason their immune system isn't what we wanted to be. I had this threat Esther. They remember you're about one point: eight million Americans get diagnosed with cancer. In some cases they catch it early this not that bad, but in some cases very serious, but a whole lot of them end up getting King Arthur, a lot of amended getting immunity, aeroplanes and hope it will end up in a situation in which they are immediate compromised. It's not their fault, everything reckless there going bad, but they are in a certain sense where they happen he worried about running into on the front, even if all the promised mild, because our immune system isn't in the situation where they can find us, Oh by the way, some of these people are elderly to these people, how to Ferko morbidity onwards. There are still probably at minimum a couple million Americans out there who might be vaccinated, who might be boost boosted still have a reason to be worried about running into this virus. Does situation would be really handy to have a whole bunch of garbage s room you wanna, get together with your father.

before the holidays. Emory takes a cobra. Just keep can figure This positive, hey! You know what you dont great symptomatic. You don't know it. Don't worry you talkin a candid, for that relatively minor compromise respect some reasons you were the worry about a running. We can't do that right now, because we can't find any tasks now course. The entire fall we're whiskey and everybody in the bar demonstration has been saying: go, get yourself tested, go, get yourself tested since September, Did you see and the New York declaring daily in art, who might as well be our CDC direct these days as was Reuters, as well as pro public at every major media institution has done a report all saying the same thing: there is a shortage of covert Nike DES there. What are the reasons for that? While you get thirty nine different varieties of cold, the test over Europe is like basking robins over there. We ve got that are available over the counter and surprise surprise, you can't find them anywhere with the hollow. he's coming. Your buddy want to test themselves.

In addition to a speech, be algebra Joe Biden and all of his genius told people if you, Google, of it, I near me you'll find what why did this yesterday? Guess what the fifteen CBS near me don't have any, the ten Walgreens near me don't have any first near me. Only will test you if you're symptomatic, So no President Biden, Goin on Google is not going to find us and he called the nineteen task because, even though, back in September, pledge that you're gonna spend billions of dollars. Did you create three hundred million more covert tests? They're not it they're, not available stores with longing its lack of appointments, if you want to get that one of the ones in one of those testing centres, they have completely dropping all doesn't I'd, say God, the biggest failure of the binding ministration everybody's, just flying blind heading into the Christmas holidays, except the problem is the biggest better: the biggest failure, the by demonstration as a whole, lot of competition here. The border, Afghanistan, deflation supply chains, labour shortage, the big

Think here, though, is that the whole point this administration, this guy, ran around saying what a shut down the virus he's been in office for about one year, nobody's gonna, get for the holidays and crossed the fingers and hope, but they're not voting on the krona amongst each other. So Mary. How do you think about this? because on the one hand or other points that anybody in Jim make about the The level failure here they all their land and I see the accuracy of them the force of them. However, I just I don't really have high standards for the federal government antics any problems and in advance in preparing and just reminds me very much of the circumstances, were different is kind of it, a different failure, but the CDC messing up the testing at the very beginning,

of the Pantano, which, by the way, the Democrats like Joe Biden, total hell on the the Trump administration for that snap foo. But I I just want to see this is kind of a status quo standard predictable. Ed government failure. I think that's right. I mean it really has been difficult for basically everyone and political leadership to do anything abated the virus when, when the situation suddenly changes- and I think we at risk- of losing sight of the positives. Here I mean we have a vaccine. We are dealing with we can with with due variants. I personally think that what qualifies as fully vaccinated is probably going to change we're gonna keep getting blisters and we're going to have to learn to live with this thing, and I think our editorial you seeing getting rid of this covered. Zero mentality is exactly right.

That they derive. There is some good news about the convention. It is there some evidence, airily evidence to suggest nor, as is daily, it seemed to be wildly contagious, which, which we know I anecdotally as much as anything else am. I am. I think that the vaccine CDC says the vaccine is, is only three The three percent effective against transmission saw it the way you know. I am also sitting here in Europe and the United Kingdom, where we don't have a shortage of tests. We are able to get tested and in many ways were having a different set of arguments, but it's the same fundamental thing about well. How should we be responding to this at this stage in the pandemic? and while we have a very good system here for testing it and tracking positive cases The same arguments happen again like waiting. Where does it become bad enough for us to shuttle nickel Where does the combatants? First, he shouted skills at there's, also a

I should be the reliability of some with the research this coming at the epidemiology and whether these are being models for worst case scenarios. The risk was one paper in the UK as suggesting that they could be anywhere from two hundred to six thousand deaths a day for a moment. On an island there when waved, monitors was ass on twitter buyer by a journalist I'm about this basically said that he came up with this scenario, because he was asked to model for work scenario it and you didn't allow for it not being as severe, and so I think people are instead of a neat. They want to get to the stage where they are taking charge of their own decisions. Are most people have made the decision to get vaccinated. Most people continue to take advantage of sisters and arrest of it. So I think we just we just have to sort of envy the over promising, which is very tempting for politicians over promised

but it doesnt actually serve them as we are seeing now invited- and we saw it also with from that that the remedy is just a major irony that Mary Hatch there. You know in a different way. I mean Trump Tromp was a tabloid salesmen who got away sort of creating it. own reality, his his whole adult life, so that was behind his totally ridiculous assurances repeatedly that we're just Just around the corner from from the virus disappearing, but binders ended up over promising as well. He eat he is he's. Gonna shut this down there and in a suggestions, basically that we're beyond it. There were statements that the if he got vaccinated, you wouldn't get the virus and that all proved untrue and- and I really think that there should be There- won't be, of course, a lot of,

action and regret on the part of Biden himself and all the legions of a progressive on twitter and and elsewhere, who attributed basically every death. We experience in twenty twenty two Donald if only Donald Trump had said some things differently, if only down trumpet down a few things differently. If I download taken more seriously. This never would have happened and look at that. The numbers and these these crude comparisons, because no Biden, campers, sponsible, binaries, more standards for stuff is happening January, But twenty second right after he's he's not the numbers you know there are twenty five million per annum. Cases prior to bite taking office. Other fifty million years had been Five more! You look down, sir, for honey thousand something when Biden took office.

Have they been more than eight hundred thousand and if the same standards applied that they're using its trump? This would be a presidency destroying public health debacle, every bit of which would be directly his responsibility all right, and you have. People resigning from the FDA, writing up ads, blasting, the White House, fur, sidelined vaccine experts in and so on. That would have been a final on fire under Trump. If that happened, I mean, but do you think. you know when we over promising it's not just the politicians. The promise, and I think a lot of the time. Anger and division- and you know mister that is about with cold it is because

Pfizer, Madonna and Johnson Johnson over promised mean. Obviously we rushed through the testing, but when those well then he said all ninety percent effective against transmission and then doktor vouch in others. coming out saying once we get to like sixty percent backs needed and you know you add that two people might have caught it and were covered in oil the transmission rate drops below. You know that our one figure and we're done and that's the promise that didn't pulled up this year right vaccines. Don't do that and you know now- governors light- he's gone some mayors and leaders in Europe are basically starting to come round video like, oh, maybe we have to put people on a new far subscription plan for their liberties. Again, like you, do apply obey him. You know

We get studies out of Israel, saying that like well. If the booster isn't fresh enough, it doesnt have as much effectiveness against the new variants so you're here you were a card is now going to have to be filled. out like I w Ball dance card where you have to get with every single one and have to be just as fresh young out of the free there is possible. I think that's was making people really man in his arms drove everyone. empowered over promise, and I don't think it. Does recoverable after this, so Jim. What what? What level of possibility do you tributes to binding for? What's happened, where's, the girl I was is contemplating my editors back. I nearly went deep into the archives. Fur are my colleague, Michael british authorities, rub peace,

From late last year, looking would Biden was proposing in his plan than candidate bided and saying that there is no plan, the baseline masts it asks and stop attacking bounty and say nice things about the medical community. That was the big difference in the bite and planned that he wasn't it to do that. Much different. The metropolis hinted it. I think, somebody's quite vindicated by that that, in the end, bided seem to believe that he could down the virus by sheer force of person now it is being in the old love us and that the primarily be covered. Nineteen virus was primarily reflection of trumpet Ministration policy failures, and not this giant not well controllable. Highly contagious, every evolving bear developing threat. That is moving way faster than the pace of any government policy, and I think you know you see also along the delta it was really now going through the the southern states. Oh my god, how could write the scientists do this to the entire to this

people die in to Georgia's experimented human sacrifice than an almost got to stop. Now really bad numbers, these blue states and ain't you it's just bad luck. It's just a big. Control. It there's nothing! You can do about it when you get to do you know whether their Chris Chris S a couple days ago, tweeted exactly that the one thing I would point out to carry the too. I hope everybody on the spot guess have decided in an interview both Ms O Reilly appearance had apparently with them an interview. We have Candice Owens. President trumpet fact was really touting and pointed out that your pardon, the impression I came up with a vaccine with three vaccines. Bayberry good keep up with three of them. It remains for us to take back to twelve years and when he is always says, look more people either to cope with this year. Problems, not here, and that is the result. That seems very good? If you get it, it's very minor form people I'd take dying when they take the vaccine the another you guys, but I want to say

I believe we can make America great again and or keep Amerika great and so for all those on backdated out there. I tired of you, soy boy Coxe who are willing to stand with President Trump and do what right said. Some people had speculated there, there's some rally or of any EU down a couple months ago. Any next mention the vaccine or getting boost editor possibility. A boost there is an end. There was booing and in people soon you just never say anything positive out the vaccine again Sir. I give him credit for for saying and he wrote a follow up note when Maggie Hebron, Aber Mountaineer Times made an inquiry in what what what account this, and he just like that. This is mine. Gotta tell the truth. You saved hundreds of millions of of lies, but let us look, yesterday at park fragments stuff online dissent as it is it's so horrible erode in August a direct comparison

tween Florida in New York. At that point in time like that was telling that in that order was experiencing a summer reserves that we know happens. You know, there's a major seasonal element to the virus. Obviously any doesn't and if you're writing similar column you'd be writing about a material bouser, hates people, because disease is running out of control, fact is even a run to Santa Maria Bouser have radically different political philosophies and radical different approaches. Did you know how machine to build choice should be involved in risk assessment of how to handle the virus neither than what people to die it helped to get infected hopefully marry a list of some recognition of the sun on the other side drain. During this this newest with here, you would think so, but I'm not sure that such didn't happen. I think that once you ve gone down the road of a finding human

in in something that is. They do maybe human volt event, but it is largely inside everyone's control. It's very hard to go back from that. Until an initially did the blame was on Trump and other republican political enemies. I now increasingly scenes that the blame is only on vaccinated, and here we have a conversation about people being on that season and the risks that they pose. A thousand perhaps pushed to other people in certain circumstances, but I certainly do not the reason that we have the woman from bearing they're, not the reason that we have a shortage of tests How'd you do to see with the way things are short ramping up there, sir that's rhetoric

can and saying that they're looking a winter of death in over welding hospitals, and it's over me therefore again it is this is the same thing is looking for human for instead of having a melody to say, this is really a big problem, the whole world's going through- and we just have to do our best, adapt and keep commentary on, so anybody double girl s, question to you read the substantive level fail. on the merits on the rapid testing from the by administration, from zero Zira man, no big deal five, a debacle say question on the politics. How big a political hit is is from zero to five zero and no big deal five major hit sightings of five on the level of malpractice in disaster, Testing shortages wears a politically

a little below there. I mean I see. There's time you know there is time and you ve seen public mood shift rapidly. In the pandemic, like we saw last when bigamous projecting confidence in people's prevention out. The city and living a wild life until Delta. came around. There was a spirit of like giddy roar twenties abandoned settling in your city, leaks from what I saw and I could happen again in the spring in that itself will have its own momentum. So it's only a. if we stay miserable, offering a leader

mad ease some questions, your five I'm going to say three and remain what the second question was. So the political here from certified yeah I've got to see our empathy for further actually because I think that by over promising to the extent that here She really prepared his own nose and dad, and I do not really see how you can he could walk back from the community. Correct answer is nine and seven and yes, I know what I want the five not want it and that's how bad it's going to be Sir, I'm with Mary I'm a little more forgiving as you might guest from a comments during the segment saga, three on the merits. Definitely a big a big foul up and shouldn't have happened, but ever more forgiving attitude,

and the political had short term it's it's definitely a five. I think, can no longer but Biden doesn't have much ability now and then on the pandemic and his explanations for for trying to dance around. This have just been very good, on the one hand, is try to a net, they kind of mess it up in an were overwhelmed by events it started goes to show a wide partisans avoid, even going halfway down that route, because it just makes you seem cut. It. It is. This is not good story to tell said this. This Abc interview him, he did the other day, which was just because they short term it's it's a major. It'll be part of which probably Duncan M his pulling average and forty year or below

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It has been considered kind of a magic bullet to get around the vaccine. Resistance by a lot of folks on the left actually doesn't appear to make a huge difference when, where the other yeah really think it's kind of obvious, they wouldn't make a huge difference when a love people's reservations, Getting the vaccine is to do with distrusting the government Anders known. At your way to confirm that that perception to say you have to do that We are taking away the right to choose and we were making you to this. So I think it's up, I think, is a bad idea is counterproductive and I also think it is very likely illegal. So there's, six circuit Court of Appeals Majority said that the Congress

gave the boy teach me each a the power to issue emergency orders to protect workers from grave dangers. But of course the White House isn't really talking about safety there. Talking about I'm trying to make the vaccinated feel so burdens that day they have to get those choices they have to get the shots rather, so I don't think this is very smart move, think it's kind of distracting from common strategy for General Lee. I think that its great that we ve got the vast majority are vaccinated and are doing so through consent. I think there's always going to be a significant energy people who don't want it for one reason or another, and that is just something you live with and in a democratic society you just have to accept that people know

it was to get people to agree on everything on any subject, so advice, injured or new different, so Jim is there anything that the lower house could have done differently here to reach then vaccinated. What one argument is that the least early on they were empty. rising the benefits. Is in your daily life for getting vaccinated enough. You know that, basically, you go go around in India, business again without wearing a mask. Instead, they're kind of emphasizing continued restrictions. Even on the vaccinated, but I'm just I sure, given that the level of distrust and our society, you know what we're not a high trust scandinavian society it never have been the trust, our institutions, on top of it, is, is at a low, and then you have this. This partisanship back and forth thunders natural Biden could have done much to to reach at least the report.

Sin resistors, and that's not the entirety of the story right. You have firemen and nurses had been really resistant. You have african Americans, his vaccination rates have like those of whites. There. a couple of things that I think they could have done differently and better first is. I noticed that almost you almost never hear anyone of administration discuss natural immunity, people who had covered nineteen at some point during the course of the pandemic and how much does their bodies immune system already now effective? the train to fight off, and is it possible that one of the various it's gonna come along is gonna, be different enough that their body would have a tough time fighting it off their body would recognize it would take them time to generate the antibiotic other different studies and different results, but generally most significant carbon. I think you should be pretty well protected by our since the virus is always mutating. We can say that with a hundred percent, certainty The second thing that comes to mind is when buying announced the employer mandate, one of his statements, patients is wearing thin. Now, if you

oh, that a good chance for the people who run back senator Republicans. They did not vote for you. They probably don't like you. They don't approve the job you're doing I think there. Our response to you, declaring that your patients with them as is wearing thin like your name, your father or something like that. It's gonna have seven letters and start with the letter asked, but I think you can guess what the rest of business letters are, that there was This combative, still lecturing hectoring. Ah, you know tone to all of us, like everybody was dealt with their efforts, this vaccine skeptical- Maxine wary. You know you ve got on with a constitutional attitude there, just my dick their heels and more. It does not work. We cannot be rate people into getting vaccinated. You cannot insult them into getting vaccinated. It doesnt work, and I think this is just a reflexive bins, What a binding writing also just a whole bunch of people who make up the intelligentsia, the Democratic Party. They are the smart people, they are the elect the elite.

no better than the rest of us, and if you disagree with them, you're some sort of unwashed vesicle needs to be lacking. It would perhaps be rated or punished into compliance. I'm thinking of the third thing is conifer foreshadowing alone. My editors good at better respect, possibilities feel fine, Our colleague at the corner earlier today noted that for those of us who are pro vaccine, Patricia for those who are pro back scene but not programme the mandate. I don't see that as a giant contradiction in terms, in fact, and baffled by the people who say that is a contradiction in terms. I recognise that the vaccines were indeed oversold, that we ve, We thought where we get this if we are to get the first, I get second shot. Two weeks after the bank book you don't need to worry about this anymore, you're postcode, the nineteen life can begin when it turned out after six months, maybe your protection isn't so good. So these it by what are you gonna booster, the administrations messaging on boosters, was a mass member Biden. First demands that everybody should get a boost for six months when the fda-

pvc, that not only the only thing you know compromised only the elderly and gradually be expanded. It gradually expanded as usual, observed that dying Israel there now recommending afore, what's shot for giving a compromise. Very elderly it does seem like Israel sets the policy we spend about six months now: bickering fighting in arguing amongst ourselves that we adopt what Israel was doing. We lost six months in the meantime clarity and messaging would have gone a long way, but I think you need give people a positive message. Here is, here is the reward. Yours, the end goal and the fact that you know I am asking. Is a hundred days to wear a mask? Anonymous mandates come back here, the degree to which, if you just be good and you do x, Y see, go back to normal life and then, like losing the football they stay up. There might actually know you gotta, keep doing that. Ah, but we'll get. It weakens ecologist, close classes, the window back online learning caught schools are closing the more that Thursday, pulling the rug out from under people. The more people think even lines.

The whole time. You don't really know what you're doing. I'm not gonna. Listen to you in a minute trust, my own judgment. yeah like it in a more innocent time. This is this kind of thing were offices. This is unimaginable imaginable. Please do not let thou one when I mention this but You know it would have been like Biden and in Trump doing appear say together. You know We all go either with we hate each other. We disagree and everything, but with this is that we agree on or unified, Someone who least loosely connected mega world would be willing to go out there and and and make the case to that. Just wasn't happening. This list was like George W. Ocean Bill Clinton operate on on this level, but that that was a different era and Mary. Politics are empty. How do you consider? Basically, if, if you put the question I will was bringing up earlier Biden has an equal number of deaths as tromp. How does that make us think about is covered record

left will say, look will he is screwed, because these fools wouldn't get back it is. Their misinformed to not getting vaccinated by one or do everything possible to get them vaccinated there's not on him that that we ve had this really. Lee Wave, it's it's on on this segment population that was resistant for no good cause. Well, I'd say a couple of things: one This is the fastest vaccine development and are taken american history by miles right when the polio there thinking out and public health worries urgent actions to take it. It took like a decade get up to the level we're out with covered vaccines or more and no people's physically, saw what polio was doing to people. So on unwilling

like we should be celebrating that success if you believe in the back seats like this is the fastest up taken history, good on us and that's it. You also look over to Europe. Where you know their vaccination rates in some countries are higher but they are still dealing with. Restrictions curfews, law, their owns, etc. That amount because they're still Controlling the spread. Oh that's. Our problem in the United States is where we are still trying to use medieval tactics to control the spread of disease, It didn't work last year, it's not going to work when the thing is more contagious and more easily spread this here. Lastly, as I said now, I think twice the vaccines were oversold, and so you can't trust that, you take your two shots. You're gonna stay in your job if your subject to,

contractors Mandy or an ocean mandate. You can try, But you know what to do to keep your job and then itself. It is a mistake. I, the the punished, for not being vaccinated is to its disproportion. Lots of livelihood, that's insanity, and in trying to do under oceans. Basically like we're trying to make the rules that govern, bestest in the workplace cover your coworkers rightly were literally train coworkers as toxic substance, I don't know how that works at the Supreme Court level and then, if that Turkey's comes up so yeah you don't know you cannot trust that you know how to get your liberties back right now or to keep your job. with this administration, and you know that The vaccine mandates maybe popular, unlike

if you just survey the entire country, but that doesn't mean its popular, it's good for you to do it just as something scores at sixty percent doesn't mean you benefit from pushing it. because a mighty thirty percent, the other party they're fine, with it and issue, Chunk of your party is against it, so that's kind of myopia there My mission is suffering under jets. I just don't know how to rebuild trust between public health and the public in it. you cannot say today whether you ve done enough things to study. Inflamed employed next year or And the president is talking about you like you,

our domestic terrorist. So good luck with your body can work to bury ex question to you. The Supreme Court were appalled or strike down the Biden, OSHA mandate. I think it will strike down, but I'm not gonna son concert Mama Mary everything will go straight down because I don't think it constitutes a grave enough danger and I don't think they in fact scene is fill proof enough. So there's a there's. A lot of proportionality, arraigned second constricting Emily, you're, gonna, rationality basis that is right, I mean you- can still spread if your backs needed so and we don't know what the delta is anymore between MAX. It spread and on vaccinated, and it's very likely changed or plummeted with honour crimes, so I think it'll go down,

eight mandates or city mandates might hold up right cassettes, there's touching on the kind of ancient police powers of executives and, of course you know that can be bought buttressed by legislation, but trying to do this through an unelected regulatory agency that is, for real What's that are are based on, like you know, Manoeuvring asbestos sterling work yet see we're close call me, I'm not John Roberts, nickname. It is for reasons that escape me, but it seems obvious there is not the statutory authority for this it'll go down for the same reason. The fiction. Moratorium. Rightly wasn't your job as attacks yeah, exactly rights, Jim Gary

Another story they got out. There is ongoing crime way they weave we ve talked about, and- and you had this, Sir Conjunction, that is, every cable news. Producer must have been jumping up and down other no one likes crime or anyone want anyone to get her. Thank God, no one got hurt niece absurd, but we we had this week within twenty four hours in Illinois, State Centre, Democrat and academics. Congresswoman, from Pennsylvania, both carjack- and if I remember correctly there is. There is also a guy down a Democrat in in Georgia, not not too long ago. Honour weathers, like six months. a year ago. Now, also that carjacked, it say time. You have a new to at least on the part of some some prominent Democrats

Lenin breed who we have discussed out in San Francisco. and now lorry Lightfoot on crime, where I just seems as though this is a great example. The old hurts dine adage that things that can't be sustained won't be sustained Rich before it gets naughty, let me observe, thank goodness neither these democratic law makers were hurt. I understand some of the assailants than the Philadelphia case have already been arrested, and so I hope everyone is. held accountable and prosecuted to the fullest extent of law. But let's go. As this news. Why are we talking about it because were used to roughly one democratic lawmaker getting carjack today that that perfectly normal? We ve gotten used to that in our big cities in America, but till in one day. Well, that's just unacceptable! That's that's more than we could possibly take battle no crimes really how to control its unfastening to watch the debate in the discussion over the past year and if you get the feeling that sometimes some

books on the other side of the ideological divide will reach a point You just start like grabbing any any factoid at hand and just throwing it at the opposite hoping that emits relevant while they are using yeah. Overall crime rates are down. That's great. You know the property crimes might be down about considering the shoplifting, including going on out enough. Mass shoplifting going on the West Coast at all surprising, to see those figures, but here If you say, oh, you know, property theft is down, but murders are our people aren't going to feel that good about this? There are probably three things violent crimes are the sorts of things are really people's eyes, what their traumatic, their scary people have been through and often have anxiety, attacks than an on edge for four weeks or months after that I clearly support to them. Cried lawmakers. we're gonna get up, but never forgets up like that. Right, so give you up We all the rising crime rate, it

crimes. People gonna noticed this new. We had spent months and months debating crime really exceeding or suggesting, is assisted. to go. Anomaly was driven out by a high rate of mothers. You know this is weird, festive cheerful, putting the best spared. No, I swear it's not that bad. We can trust so you're lying eyes response from certain box in the lap I'd like to think that the election of Eric atoms and various other you know did the abandonment of abolish the police and you look out is that this idea is, if not dead and buried than were enough. There reloading at the casket into that into the ground right now. This should, in this should be a dead dumb idea. This was clearly unworkable. This is always a ridiculous approach to the issue of crime and lo and behold, if you have less policing, surprise, surprise a whole bunch of bad people. used to take advantage of that. So hopefully, this is just one more like kind of tipping point: signifier, symbolic, Bialik! Ok,

something about crime of this, but you ve been alone deny Yes, this is a really bad situation, but dumb arise there might be some marks of dead Anders as the late Donald Rumsfeld used to say, Yes, a matter. We talked about London breed a week ago. And I thought which deal, and we D thought it was a huge deal. Obviously speech intended to get attention and put down a political ferko marker and lo and behold, she is now getting a resistance to her no new too, on crime, especially as regards the tenderloin district witches. Overcome by homelessness, disorder, drug abuse people dying literally on on the streets, every single day and she wants to crack the whip. And then you have all these other San Francisco elected leader, saying no, how dare you what's wrong with you? You can't criminalize that this sort of behaviour is inhumane

and on this bandwagon course is one of the worst, if not be worst Deanna, Deanna Country Chase a body yet any. I think they somewhere what happened to Eric Adams when he came in with a strong against crime agenda and find himself up against Belem protesters. Think we would be well advised to ignore such people, because they are deeply on serious and those who do actually do it up listening to them and paying for it I think in the in the ports, because criminal not really a parson issue. Most people see the practical necessity of having law enforcement and having strong law enforcement on their streets and then a little you mentioned a lorry Lightfoot and she herself it was was personally unsafe with the people inside her high. At one point, and of course you could be said to have limited sympathy for her because she did people

last year, cutting eighty million dollars from her said: he's police budget, a nation, pleading with the with the feds too to bolster the ranks of her of her cities cop. So really, I think this. This is just a case of I quite literally in some of these instances, Democrats being marked by rail but he and there's always going to be the extreme left. I feel end tapes who say this. and she may indeed be Tijuana Cheek, Kramer's crane. They want to treat it as a public health problem or whatever, as they say, but that is not sustainable and that is not in the least bit persuasive to most seen human beings. So I think that the press is an opportunity for them to follow people like Eric Adams and to get off on crime, because it does matter it matters to the people who are voting. The men Emily.

I wonder if I wonder if some of the crime story will turn out to be a subset of the cuban story- and I don't mean to downplay the, the ridiculous of the policies people pursued last year as like rights were starting. That's when we started to tell the police to back down that was horrible, but you know we did kind, put a whole country under half house arrest, for a long time, and it should. I would expect the american people being a kind of you know, outlaw frontier work. Culture still in its Memory in imagination, rebellion its authority, and I wonder I personally ones

If we're going to see him and things slow down like me, seeing this year, still going up, but it went much much slower. Obviously, voters reacted against it in a really powerful way, and politicians are getting the message, but I just wonder: if railroad back it basically everything that happened these two years and say this was all subset of a pandemic and the kind of weird psychological pressure put us on the right. I mean like one of them: Crime broke out in cities. Is that once you? take most people off the street in cities right like the building who's. The stores themselves are less guarded average citizens do take us instability for calling the police something wrong and also Who's there

charming, loveliness and and and present themselves is ready to be despoiled. So let's get what's that end the of fear, and then I think someone a camel go with it. Jim, very ex question to you. Democrats had been scared, straits, critical, mass Democrats and scare off of their worst accesses in the wake of the death of George Floyd yesterday? The vast majority of those who are took our answer to the public in the form of elections have been scared straight. The activists, class and little Nell types have not many educated at yes taken skating, Anybody you, maybe too much. Threerd street mean Airbus items is out there this week, basically like.

Defending solitary confinement in a really brusque mean way, me pretty uncomfortable, so you mean brandy, yeah, I mean listen. I think we can. We can you tell him without losing our humanity. To So am I we might be seen over collection at far is, is a bad thing. So I think the answer is yes, it's not the entire play the party, obviously not that the left, but a critical mass has been scared straight with that courting two days before Christmas here. So let shift in system happier topics and do a exit question style Christmas discussion,

First question to you: envied sorry, Mattie Current best, religious Christmas song. I think it's probably in the bleak midwinter add the lyrics, thereby Christina residing wonderful, victorian, Hengist, so atmospheric under. to musical settings kidnapped. They decide which ones behaviour when by Harold, Greek and the other by the stuff host and is really love that that him closer and probably silent night, but I think and big midwinter is my favorite. And I was gonna say an the bleak midwinter sorry It's so lovely with a capable choir and just puts means that midnight mass mode

but if I had to pick another one, it's probably one of the ones. It is it's more. Like arousing him like oh, come on, you pay for something that its I have every conversation I will put some gusto into and raises fears can get it. I was no silent night and I was thinking about it whether it's a church, whether its filling squires, whether it sir you're gonna Walker The department store displaying overhead really talk to screw that one up. It was never dear. I gotta. Do you hear that arrange silent night? It was awful boy I wish the night was. I have not got pretty well almost every single time. All right, sir. Oh, we need to get search at Vienna and on this, these, these questions to Sarah best best religious,

Christmas, I really love God. Rest! You married gentlemen, and it wasn't actually until last year, when I saw post that gene or linger wrote- and he says the calmer is then there for a reason. I dressed he married comma gentlemen, unlike what I had never noticed it before. So I wouldn't getting that thumb, Cyanide is a great site I loved the my family's church was grown up. I've still got back there, ain't good occasion of Christmas Eve. midnight Christmassy of services and the lights dam, and you get the candles out and passed around cyanide. It's it's a wonderful song, but my fair destroy the world, just there, cuz you serving food and with you another world, so get you out of the world with couple horns, you want anything fancy it just built that sucker out and it it really to me, gets the the sense of of the of the night.

And the day and and one I just stir when I'm leaving church um, I'm noise, humming, Sir Sir, she read to you first on this one best secular Christmas, oh, like their allegest ones, is better to choose, but I really love both the Josh Carbon and rascal fights arrangements of opium for Christmas, and also straight no chaser has a really good told us. The Christmas arrangement and they also have one come. Who spoke the acknowledged that my siblings just introduced me? It's not one couple but Dahlberg in Europe. So I was gonna go with Vince Querilities rendition, autonomy bomb, but technically it has aligned referring to the birth. Lord of our Saviour thesis, so even though, is not primarily- A secular wanted was a wooden camp sites,

a girl with Miss Guerrero these Christmas time this year as the greatest secular Christmas Carol, Domini It's the Christmas song and as such by the king call. I just think you can't beat that Krueger style of secular christen, singing and that's the warmest like most inviting recording of it. elbow and immediately hits all those mister, records so can't be married. I play Christmas day Elvis I think it's the widen occasion where a really way- niecks always just really great part, because he's got voice, but I really like those on low, Sir

I think the answer is clearly white Christmas made suffers from overplaying, perhaps but being Crosbie White Christmas. Just absolutely. Anybody to you, your favorite Christmas libation ISA a tough one, I would say Mould wine. I just you know. I don't. Going further ignored stuff probably end up drinking like, expensive, whiskey, of course, you could have at any time of year some old wine like with excellent So it turns out, if you add fruit, suburban, it makes it a health drink check this out. So

throughout this season, not generally taking not bourbon. Maybe a little bit of Julie were to those are preserved black cherries, marriage. She now you can go with if you need to, but it's not the go, go for the good fancied lecturers. like me later, a slice of orange slice. Eleven. You can serve it, hardly concerted, called it's always good, and now I'm not a benefactor and currents. Everything Baileys on ice arraigned about desert time schedule surgery, I don't really have an opinion on this one where more about the food in our house, not so much. The drinks I'm sorry, I'm not much liquor, guy or offence cocktail guy, not opposed to cocktails someone else. Exam, sir, I must confess verse- is just beer. I love cooking just drinking beer, thee fancies. I go with a cocktail. I myself is vodka is

my letter of choice, so it's kind of late at night no one's around have acquired moment Take a shout of I'd. Go with a couple there were two in it and a lot of greenhouse with her and I'll drink it with her with a fork and eat eat the eyes, as I get so Jim Garrulity Bated breath here on this question, asked Christmas movie. While I can understand from stories that I tell on this Sir Podcast, after my description of nearly falling off a ladder during our kitchen reconstruction and things like that. You everything jobs life is that of Clark Griswold. So it must be Crystal rational, everyone's Christmas vacation and he s it's terrific number, two number one slowly the greatest Christmas movie of all time. I think that the cornerstone of western civil-

nation, and that, of course, is die hard. This past me the water with my older sun and nothing brings out the spirit of the season. Like saying now. I have a machine gun ho ho ho The rate is full of red and green in all the Christmas staff, the green for the money, the red for all the blood spurts Moldavia, shots going. People's heads and stop nothing says Christmas. Today, like good old fashioned, die You become a mob. In other words, just gotta be a wonderful life. I think that may be the only movie that actually created movies before, but this between consistently makes me cry Love it so much, I think it's so late, and just every single every single year. My we have a tradition where we are really to give you used it before covered, where we would go on yes, Eve and watch movies. Her,

on breaks out into applause at the end and just really love that movie there's a number by holiday and is probably my favorite. We all sit and watch that together as a family every year for anybody, Someone a name for it to get to know the best one so. I wife really likes the holiday, which is they come Very silly trifle ever film check, blacking, Kate, Winslet and to others, but it's like the production design in the way it shot? Is like this warm blanket? So that's that's kind of like the Ladys pick, My three year old Son is losing his mind over elf and just loves the

sequence where they plainly. We premiums pens from Heaven and we'll Pharaoh. Eads chewed From your subway station, and I really like last year, MEL Gibsons Film fat Man where a kid tries to us ass, neat, now given as Santa Claus for giving him coal is really, art and good and so stupid, an enjoyable going to I went with last year, begins corn, Pharaoh, accidently, shooting a child and then going to brood Belgium in Bruges, written and directed by Mcdonough profound feeling rises the Christmas morning and it takes place.

When Christmas and the reality is like a religious element to it Where is she is like profound in a way that people say, how day is profound and does have its Christmas meaning of love and said face began about two who had been hiding out in bruise after a job gone wrong, and it's funny really there is a racist dwarf in it. It's it's perfect Christmas me. Where is it not a movie but tv special, rude off the retina reindeer, just sojourn enduring, Ah you, but I'm I'm not very conventional on this. It's a wonderful life, haven't, sat down and washed it in a very, very long time. Could it so so so familiar and so opportunities to watch it. But it's a wonderful!

movie search Jerry favour Christmas memory, ok so by, I disagree with Pakistan and waited shop at the threat, Starlight and

as a number of years ago promised eight years ago, I was at the start with my mom and saw this belt and it had a big buckle on it, and I thought it looked like. It was big g and was the Green Bay Packers simple, I thought, and so I can, with actions to be perfect for dad for Christmas, so bought it. Camera for was a kick after were white and can give it to my dad on Christmas and we're all really excited about this, and he goes to put it back in the room and it's it's a woman's belt didn't know this, and so he comes out and he's got. It sits around his waist and he starts and we were all dying and then he starts singing a hunger hunger burn above and I thought my mom was gonna lose it services are. Whenever we talk about Christmas, that's one of our favorite memories and sometimes,

Nepal about how it might have not like a big guy or anything, but definitely too small for him. So we merely favorite harboured similarity goodbye, sir. That's a tough of Christmas member to beat come on. Let me do the circle years going to mention getting the: U S: s flag, the G ideal aircraft carrier one year which was giraffe well, he had the grid, the council grit Why don't we go? This? Is eighty six foot, long aircraft carrier and the fact that my dad was he may have done a little bit of a girl came because at the time, the eighties. If I'm remembering tractors at a hundred bucks this is like me, crazy. You know what kids What parents are crazy enough to spend a hundred bucks on a cry out? The back of the eight hundred bucks roman and my parents were and we will only get there by the school my brother night. We play for thirteen straight days, the entire one word I'm trying farmers land on it, you're not getting it

from we assembled the six foot longer for aircraft carrier, because the other judge figure like six interest, also like this is proportional to you know: you're you're gonna die for it. Just ass important man will action there's, no way to get it from our downstairs by the Christmas tree up into the playroom we had in our house prosaic and on car parts, are flying off. That is returning carried up the stairs. Let's stop tons of one so yeah! That's it ups are really special Christmas member, many current, I think, probably ethically toothpaste and eighteen. It may have been fed and seventeen issues that one of the last Christmas is that we did is an extended family before my cousins started having their own children, and so

doing it, but the man said Uncle Sir, the grammar school children and we have. We had like that. Twenty, maybe twenty four people range is one big table, and then there is also a kids table after the site and it just really a great owes a great day, and this this particular one of the last one of this particular configuration- and I remember my great uncle frank- is something of a recurring character on this point asked- is in his late nineties, just two trillion was. It was an american diplomat, drink a war and has so many stories and spoon and Kate was lying yes and he decided to sing a song in german and it had just a never ending number of viruses, and I should say he's not really a senior and Wouldn T scraped self and such- and it was just so

sort of started in one key and gradually go lower and lower and lower until he was struggling to actually get a butt his German. I read. I can personally it s this, but I've been told it was flawless, so really treasure that memory, especially as it seems, liquor again. ever nearer and away the media. So a couple years ago we ve been having a failure, You're, going to my wife's ants house on Christmas Eve, Where would you want to leave little slovak traditions but for some reason, was trees. Nineteen my wife's had Miss manage the time things were cooking, and so you didn't appealingly we were there in the house very crowded in small house, lots of family

and dumb. I think dinner didn't make it down onto the table until about eleven thirty and people who have been asked. to come back for dessert had already left at nine thirty gun. It was like a famous Dubai, Poland is just Larry's we're all getting probably tired, but trained energy, face until about two thirty in the morning Christmas morning that that that was wondering when it First one another late. My Christmas Eve ten years ago, I Christmas Eve at home he's going to mass in the morning, and I ended up into a writer who had an wrecked his career and his life was kind of all fallen apart, first drinking a lot not doing well, I mean about spending.

three or four hours on the phone between ten and two He got drunk or drunk or through the night kind of morning, a Christmas alone and yet he kind of filled me with like a lot of spiritual insight about the treatment of Christmas, somehow in his gratitude, that all in the world but were singing about Jesus Christ and praying for people again. I think that every year with us top. I've also mentioned before this Christmas memory childhood memory when, as of the age, where my belief in Santa Claus, what was at its very most intensive, fervent and I was going to bed at night Christmas Eve and just so excited just incredible eggs. So course I couldn't sleep, but just terrified that dead any moment could

through the window that I wasn't actually asleep and I below my whole Christmas, so terrified to make the slightest me this is actually wasn't very pleasant thing. It's it's my favorite childhood Christmas Memories, final Christmas question: do you Mattie Kerns favour Christmas. Tradition is essentially something I introduced a couple years ago. So can the UK we don't have thanks giving. Obviously So I like to tell you tat S getting tradition of going round the table and everyone saying something there grateful for so I introduced this with my family last are well known within Christmas. Twenty sixteen when it was my first Christmas near at first reading I'm having and puffing there I had been american eyes, and this is the horribly

on occasions and mental, but actually it was really. It was a really good exercising the stoics course. People tend not to express her feelings. this at least once a year. Now we all did so my Christmas tradition. Certainly I really love our traditional on Christmas Eve. We have. Then it together before that ten thirty mass and I we turn out the lights and we eat by candles. and I m- are our favorite traditional food that we eat malnutrition for us as we make mashed potato pizza and eat it. It had in gaol shares fierceness NASH, mashed, potatoes on the pizza, a young man who makes the crafts and then she makes mashed potatoes and puts bacon and cheese and criminal sanctions on top, and then we just about Christmas memories and that finally, nice Jim Gary

so pretty much since the boys been little weave, hosted a Chris This party, usually like the weekend or two after Thanksgiving and by how much friends or which were friends of kids. We let the kids to decorate our tree. obviously will put all the really fragile, valuable ornaments over a box to put on later, but we have all get a wooden ones ones. We dont worry about little hands dropping and then at the end of the night. You can see Europe drug early in the bows of the tree, all full of decorations, up to where it looked, the tallest kid can reach and, of course, The upper branches are utterly bare and then, of course, after the party with rearrange all of them, but it's almost minuscule marker of how the kids grow year by year, we could see that level of bare tree get smaller and smaller this year they can put its of everything up to all the way up to the stars in the top. The kids are getting tired they can taller than their mother to catch up to me soon agenda what are those things were discovered that you know the one? I don't do much effort if decorating the tree to allow the kids,

and we ve only lost like five really valuables of precious ornaments over the years. Anybody. So I said Christmas Eve we nutrition. I too am house and domain to slovak or eastern european business tradition, one of them is a lucky which is basically a kind of thing. Christmas wait four or five bread with embossed like religious images on it, it was supposedly

Can this tradition spread throughout the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, we're shepherds tending their flocks and may not able to go to Christmas. Ass would have this blast. Bread wasn't the eucharist, but they would have his blessed we from with honey and then just a nice moment of silence in the moments before Christmas, then I think we're gonna go during our has for a long time. I think the best Christmas tradition earlier. The american Christmas is just this six. Thirty, a m mad dash by the kids to the Christmas tree to start ripping open, give smoke most things that Christmas Day, authentic cut it go down from from there. But for that, that is the moment when Ali anticipation breaks for

into joy, which is, of course, a just a pale reminder of the gift given to all of us on that day, so that Did for us see them listening to a national review. Podcasting, you re broadcasts, retrenching your account others game without express written permission of national amazing is strictly prohibited, as podcast has been produced by the incomparable. Sir shooting it makes a sound better than we deserve. Thank Jim. Thank you marry thank you envy d and thanks specially. All of you for listening, really editors Ho Ho ho. Merry Christmas, several