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I don't. I don't think this new representative of public opinion as a whole. I think most Americans are where I, which is what would happen September on January. Six was a really terrible event. He, outrage. It was a riot. He was the perpetrators Who ransacked and tore through Capitol Hill and clash with police? They can cause I'm patriots, they can call themselves the new founding fathers and every other self aggrandize entitled they want their lord. There lived in nothing but chaos and that they should be prosecuted. Most external law. They are being prosecuted to the fullest extent. The law and the each system is It was really really you know, terrible what they did, but I think what you call an insurrection, your kind of giving it a little bit more trade, and it deserves if people were sneering human feces on the wall? government there are literally one of eleven were literally dress like barbarians, and ultimately, this had ended on. How do you define insurrection

I got the Irving an insurrection global organised a little more as an actual checks of taking over the government electoral chance of ah seizing governmental and state power and using it to its own ends. What of these kind of baffling about it? Is these that somebody's but want to kill my pants than those books I was they should be. Spending a lot of time in jail. But what was the plan here are the ideas they would disrupt the boat and then what wouldn't have a Congress would never certify the boats and trump. Would you stay in opposition you wouldn't have an immigration. On January, twenty moved to say at the helm of the constitution, There are there's only organised thinking here was based order to disrupt the boy, and then somehow magically Donald Trump will get to remain president or something like that it was. The people are stupid. I'm only comprehensive thinking? for how they were actually gonna make keeping down from President Stick. No, it really terrible,

thing is: is it no matter how critical you are what happened January, sex on social media people who just assume you're somehow defending it? and then, if you and that, of course, lots of other folks on the other side are going to do this now. This was our storming of the steel great at their political prisoners in turkish jails all, but did you know that states to be in jail? Yes, these are people who are fighting for criminal justice reform. decade or so so I'm not looking out afford this I think it's really annoying. I'm glad justice system is working. I'm glad that the boat certify the electoral college results was delayed, that was not really stopped. But we know here is that your lot of folks in the left see this as a chance to make Republicans look bad and that's. They want to turn it into a mardi gras for crimination, going on for at least eight days, maybe twelve or maybe all you want is Dan a feature.

The top error at least the first chapter of the Trump era of which January six was. The exclamation point was being able to admit how bad Things word that study did without going out of your mind at the same time- and this is this is an event that I think kind of falls in that category. It was terrible and it was a dreadful spectacle. It was a national ourisman it did mean that there was not a peaceful transfer of power for the first time in our history, and all that needs to be taken on an can't, be hate it or explained away the other hand, can it the road description, But as an insurrection which is just men, forty eight and a much much of that the media is unaware

I think annoying is the appropriate word and then it more so the idea that we almost lost our democracy that day is absurd because further the gems points Well, what are they gonna do even had succeeded somehow and occupying the capital for weeks. You know, so just need someplace else and certify the electors, and we would move on and of course, there is no chance they're going to occupy the with the capital more than a few hours once did the Capitol Hill, policing and others got their their act together. I think in some ways the riot in everything that followed has been almost the perfect encapsulation of all the problems we double with tromp. That was his kind of most rapid supporters on one side who refuse to ever admit that anything he ever did was wrong or his most rapid detractors. On the other side, who went so far as to abandon things they previously thought were true, because even and to support them in and down the western. I think it kind of capital.

it all that serve gave her an occasion for us to witness all of it one more time on his way out the door. We witnessed how D you know. I didn't really do anything outright on purpose or maliciously, I suppose, but he did a lot of really stupid things. He didn't say things that he should have said to stop it from happening or attempt to stop it from happening. He spoke is done himself and making himself look like. He had one somehow figuring out away too to pull off a victory, even though it was very clear he had lost somehow trying to twist the constitution around to make it seem as though we could say that He had won and claim that it had been stolen from him. It was all about him and glorifying him just wanted. It always was whether he was at its worst. Drought is best. The game was usually happens. I make Donald Trump look like the guy, guy, how do I make it sound like I'd, never did anything wrong and I am the biggest winner there ever was that's what doing on his way out the door, even as people were storming the capital and at the same time, then in the fall out. We saw him.

can you do that, and we saw his most rapid defenders, pretend nothing that had happened at all, that it was justified that you know the people being taken to account for what they are found where political prisoners and then on the other side, even Today we have seen has detractors pretending like this is the worst thing in it in fact outright saying that this is the worst thing that happened in our country. I think, since founding right. Has anyone ever heard of the civil war? I mean people have lost their minds because of Trump and are continuing to do it and I think a big part of it is because now that he's gone. They dont have prompted about, and this is kind of the finest Although the final thing they can cling to to make everything about Trump, because it's far easier than tat, themselves at many one in his day to do meeting the many things that are wrong with their side. They just want to keep talking about Trump, and so I think that's why we're continuing to have to hear about what was, admittedly a horrible event, but I dont think its one that they require all the attention it's gotten into some squint here, so try to gradually talked about this

the time the generous six committee got hands on these texts from Laura Ingraham Sean Hannity's mothers to mark meadows, cheap stuff course at the end of the tunnel. administration, saying what you gotta make president stop, and it was clear that their. They realize the import of what was happening, that they were completely outraged by it and then, since then a lot of folks of snap backer, snapped into a different place. Where they they want to explain away or excuse What happened on gender or sex? We should have been outraged by air, because it was outrageous. There's no way to excuse this in all of the attempts have been self serving and farcical trump forget for a moment. The events in January, sex tromp tried to stage

a good trump entertained legal theories that nobody who love the United States or its constitution should have entertained, even in fact, if one thought they were plausible, it would not. occur to Ronald Reagan, our Dwight Eisenhower that if the vice president could Unilaterally overturn the results of the election that he should do so it did occur to Trump and from act on his followers and his voters. and others in the country and some of those not many, but some of those people listen, believed him and acted on it and they broke in to the legislative body,

And they not only tried that succeeded temporarily in disrupting its business, and some of them wanted to find a vice president himself I understand and agree with those who say this wouldn't have worked, and I understand and agree with those who pushed back against the idea that the United States was five minutes. Ten minutes, oh yeah well from losing its democracy, but there were still people act on by the president who try to interfere with the constitutional handover of power, and they should be condemned in the strongest possible terms. I think angels on the head of a pin debates about the nature of cure insurrection or what you well after a while become futile.

What they did was wrong. I am never the last nervous about the way in which this event is being used and one doesn't need to downplay it in order to be so nervous. Nine hundred and eleven, Was clearly one of the worst thing that has happened in American? Indeed, in world history you will now find me downplaying nine, eleven never find me suggesting that it wasn't monumental, that it wasn't egregious that it was an evil. You will find me criticising some of the responses to some of them. In which was utilised politically some of the laws that were passed, some of them, changes to our way of life that were already and ass a result of nine eleven, and I dont think one needs to be an apologist four January, six, which I am very clearly not in order to have noticed

That we have a year on reached the point at which certain players within the Democratic Party, some within their approval, and party. Many within the press are leveraging the events of January six and the behaviour of former President Donald Trump to try to gain political power. Now there are people who would institute security, state measures, sort of this that I will obviously poses a classical level, but I think more sinister than there is the attempt, use January six to discredit all opposition to the Democratic Party and its agenda to suggested Anyone who is not within the Democratic Party are on board with its agenda must be extirpated from the political scene that anything such a say. The Philip

instead stands in the way of democratic ambitions must be abolished and, in some cases, to suggest that the Democrats agenda itself- is synonymous with democracy. I have read pieces arguing that, if the build back better plan, doesnt path that will in and of itself be endorsement of January six and repudiation of those who oppose and- and this is what one always has to watch for in free countries. The hijacking genuinely terrible events for illiberal ends. So I have no time whatsoever for those who defend what happened to downplay. What and who make absurd arguments the building websites as the World Trade Center. What was done to it is what it is also I'm sceptical towards those

I wouldn't say, have over reacted but who have proposed remedies, but just so high then to line up with everything they had wanted before happened. Yes, what's happened, a lot of them more than getting checks, humor and push for the so called voting rights bills, Jim Garrulity. What do you make the January six committee? I must confess I don't find this a very compelling story. I have followed the debate back and forth. Very Slayer. Are these executive privilege fights, but what, where? Where are you on that committee at it there some some folks in those Chinese or the World Bank? It is embodied in the pursuit of truth and justice, and there are others who think it's. A dastardly parts and scheme from Nancy Ploska. First thought is that, if republicans are objecting to how the committee is doing its work, that they should have bound tiered said, hey one eyed, equal participation in this thing, instead of saying out, we don't trust you to run this. We're not budge spreading at all. But are you end up with policy? Picking was

you're, picking, Janey and other antitrust law makers. Are you wanna get what you want to have some say in how the going gets played? Given the game? Don't you know, sit on the sidelines and pout and say you don't like the certainly. The second thing is that I prefer if the committee was doing its work and quietly in the background and we were getting leaks and we were getting space for a kind of wanted, the works of elected, I loved mission, which definitely public hearings, a definite fireworks, not gonna start, but I think you're gonna do any of these investigative commissions of a big bad event. That remains the best example we have so far. He doesn't want sites and I loved commission, no one ever thought about said the Iraq Study Group or any these other by partisan limit emissions that come and go and never really seemed,

How much of an impact come out with a big, complete narrative, talk to everybody, get as much information on the record as possible and then, when you're done put out all the information in one big solid? You know report with footnotes and verifiable transcripts, and all of that and then until they're gonna wanna, hear from him too much, and I dont really, The way the work has been done, but always solely on the final report comes in worry ungenerous. Excluding I think it was important to take it seriously, and we said I agree with everything that has been said about being a horrific events. Have said that myself, I think every time we ve talked about it, but I think the way that it has operated has proven itself too, mostly Canada, political show for the other side to train, punish Republicans for what happened that day and so, while there might have been a good way of going about it, I dont think it has worked the best that occur,

have an inside on having taken much of what they ve done very seriously. As a result show a cook excursion few January six will be a prove. A powerful tool, but all against the republican Party. The way many Democrats imagine or not, no weren't. In fact, I think that you could probably count the number Americans truly care about this on one hand, that doesn't mean that should be the case, but I think, as a matter of political analysis, it is you get it just want this weekend. I feel I figure we get more of the same partisan wrangling. I'm not the mistake that the willing to get you know the universal agreement. What actually happened the day,

Then I dont think it will be mainly because I dont think ass much of a mind changer. I suppose anybody who is the most outraged people are people who are still thinking about a year later they get actually was almost. Successful coup are people who are always going to support the left, I think, while a lot of people in the middle and on the right now that it was a a horrible thing, it's not really much worse. A political goal. and I suppose I won't have much effect. Sir I say no, this is not a voting issue is not something that most people care about very much, and it's it's not going to affect the twenty twenty two election. It might! the fact that twenty twenty four election, depending on who the republican now many is, but I think Democrats cannot conceal the fact that the hay they think they're making on this. With that lets, pause and hear from our sponsor this episode. Tommy G,

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the HR one's been watered down a little bit and respond to opposition from jail mansion to certain provisions, also the Jean Louis ACT, which woods reinstituted aspects of the Voting Rights ACT that were struck down by this. In court and humor wants to eliminate, or at least make an exception filibuster rule to be this with fifty votes when you make of it. I think the whole is pretty obviously a sham right, they're, using first rather January six to train claim that all these things that they already wanted are somehow now more necessary in the wake of what happened that day, degenerate, six commission right there there taken something horrible that happened and their persons, it is to say what. How can I make this politically useful to me, your husband

twist this around were somehow mandate. The thing is, I already wanted and we would have wanted, regardless of whether this ever happened would have tried to push for. I think this is very cynical, think they're they're doing it for many reasons, but wants to try and make. It seem absurd. That report. It's what opposed them or as if to oppose them in trying to pass this Republicans are some. I somehow themselves or with what happened that day, Excusing what happened that day as if these provisions they want, or the only possible affair reminded response to what happened: the only way to protect our democracy. After what happened. It's all very think appallingly, cynical and then to threaten to two nuclear fell. Buster. If you don't get what you want is to my mind. I think this has happened. A few times already from the Democrats have threatened to do this if they don't get what they want, you haven't yet done it, but there trying to hold hostage one of the most important parts of how the Senate works and safe. If we don't get, we want words going too, you know

If the rules are changed, the rules that we can get it by ourselves, which I think is also a separate problem, but also quite wrong. So true, this is just another instance of the she text or government we seen over the last year or attempts to legislate over last year, so crime becomes a I guess you so Joe Biden gets out there in the White House. As you know, what this covered released bill that showered all this money on states, localities can be used to hire police. So as an anti crime bill, inflation pops becomes a. Major concern the White House. Finally, His into I guess what build that better as an anti inflation programme, then you have HR one which was first in introduced. I believe in twenty nineteen as a response to the kind of this so called disenfranchisement that was happening in Georgia and supposedly we denied Stacy Abrams the gun the ship down there, all the sudden now

Each one is a response to January sex, even though Democrat favoured it. On January. Fifth, and still face all the exact same provisions on January seventh. Chuck Summa is not a long term thinker, in fact, that Democratic Party writ large is susceptible to these sorts of power. of hysteria and apparently and willing or

to learn from past mistakes. It is frankly remarkable to me, but, having seen what happened after Harry Reed abolish the filibuster for judicial nominees in twenty thirteen, that being a conservative take over the Supreme Court, the Democrats haven't ask themselves whether it is a good idea to be countenance, weakening or destroyed, and the fellow buster a matter of months now before mid term election, in which every single election analysed agrees. That Republicans again today is one has a congress before what could be if political trends continue, as they are appeared of republican dominance for awhile. As such, I think it is incumbent upon

the cool heads of german and curse and cinema, and possibly others quieter about their reservations. To recognise that even on practical basis, This is a bad idea. There is no such thing as a car about further filibuster. Once you ve done this, you have done it and you have opened the door for it to be done. In all circumstances, Democrats Seem to believe or pretending that they believe that there is a difference here. This is more important.

that voting rights are unique, that not everyone in this country republic, endemic, better, otherwise things, but something is different or more important for everything else. Speech, guns, taxes and if they are given the chance to cover,

Exception they will do so. There is no such thing as a meaningful or comprehensible or discreet. Two important clause in the constitution there's no two important caused. It applies to executive power. There's no two important clause but militate against original is among the Supreme Court and there is no two important clause within the Senate rules. If the Democrats move ahead with this, they will be abolishing the filibuster. It will not be too long before the precedent is picked up by

their own party in the short term and the other party in the long term. It is also a saying that the idea on the base of the merits that there is a crisis in american democracy that we have entered a second period of Jim Crow is false, it is nonsense. It is untrue, as Donald Trump claims that the election was stolen. It is a hobbyhorse of political, obsessive and younger Americans with Salma envy. We just saw an election in twenty twenty, in which hundreds of millions of people voted.

we just saw an election in twenty twenty one in Virginia and another in New Jersey, in which turn out records were The only Chang changes that have been made here in the last few months are two limits. of the changes that were made in turn in twenty twenty as a result of corona virus. But the idea that there has been a widespread restriction of the franchise is simply wrong. What Democrats have done is cast in aspect. The expansive changes that resulted from the imposition of the virus and set them is the new baseline and anything that restricts them all rose and back to the status quo ante ass being out of line, but that

It's silly. I think most people understand that it is silly and I think it makes a mockery of the argument even on the Democrats own terms, so Jim, it's. Almost all the provisions in the builder passing a complete nonsense doors do anything to happen, generous sex therapy or or in the hopeless election. True, there are some except insert there's measures and then added in their saying. You can't intimidate election workers, and things like that that might that might be maybe, but that's not the main frost and all this is not responsive to any urgent. National crisis. There there's no reason that we need to impose automatic voter registration, the country, there's no reason we need to impose same day, voter registration of all, country, there- some states that might want to adopt and have adopted these measures. there's, no reason for the come federal government to insist on them as a national.

Standard for everyone and per Chuck, humours short sightedness for actually to succeed and eliminate the cell buster. To do this, as Christian Cinema has pointed out, and justifying our opposition to eliminate the fellow did do this. It will just empower publicans when they have you defied control of washing again, which state well perhaps assumes January when you twenty five to all that and oppose all the things that they like all the voting measures they like on the entirety of the country and this justice a good way to run a with rich, less consider the absurdity of we ve just seen, and twenty twenty in election, where Joe Biden Democrat One the presidency, where the crowds, one control the Senate. Just barely inactivity tie with common Harris breaking the boats. They kept their house already the loss of seats, but they can update and the reaction of Democrats too sweeping into control of all three parts of the government. There.

Is it clearly, we cannot rely on trust our election results and we have to have the federal government take over the administration of elections they want. I still think that the elections are. These things are a bad sign at a gloomy unreliable earlier and so in order to do so, I built with sand was talked earlier about how upon seeing something terrible like January six. The first instinct of a whole bunch of Democrats is how can we get something we want added this right? How can this work for us? I was reminded of a quote from then Whitehouse Chiefest, deaf round the manual back in the early days of the Obama administration, words that pretty much became the slogan that to term presidency. Never waste crisis course, after a couple months after the stimulus and green shoots, The ba and the around deal, and all these other things we heard from MR you're really sunlit, never solve the crisis, but none whatever about never waste a crisis, something happening is something good, because it means get something you want people notice after a while when you

start seeing crises are something good Let me start seeing a crisis or something really bad as a great opportunity to get something you want. People start. Wonder how come Are you actually solving the crisis? If you keep seeing these crises, that's something great we gotta get somethin you wanted beforehand what we are seeing, this latest thing about we'll get up. We're gonna, get the filibuster, but only for voting rights legislation. It is Zactly like a replay about. We saw with Harry Reed we're we're getting rid of the filibuster, but only for judicial nominations. Baratena in place for the free court nominations now Obiang be able once republics. Foreign power they wanted to get the gorse its nominated would like. There is actually a democratic filibuster. My work Republican said you know what I'm doing. although for the Supreme Court nominations, gardener for every other gotta judge would get rid of it for this one and democratic. spot vow. Could you do that because you guys had established a president a few years earlier

they never learn, and lo and behold by twenty eighteen said Amy global charm was he was on the Judiciary Committee who sang it up. She regrets her party, eliminated the filibuster her proving both judicial nominees only somewhat had warned them mark water. Very similar comments. I wish we had done this now believe both of them are on board which, again to supporting the The nation to filibuster, but just for this kind of legislation will keep in a place where labour legislation Publicans take back the set at which the digits gonna happen after the twenty Twond geometers. Am, I guess, Is it that points and Republicans like what you guys got rid of it for the legislation you, like get rid of the village red legislation? We like a bender filibuster, will be dead, and maybe this is like a gravitational pull But every time you see these democratic, even today there thank you you don't? We gotta get rid of the filibuster casino. What Republicans She was on the other what you're years it was on the other for much become worse.

Is to get rid of the filibuster. Bismuth Macdonell could see around the corner. He could see the day when his party's the minority, and he realized something that annoying and when he is in the majority, is gonna come in handy. well. It's the minorities and shops. You were of a democratic, refuse, top no matter how many times has happened to him. I thought I was dyspeptic that I regard as of table pounding over the Senate rules. While Jim, I appreciate passions Zan Sir and ours endorse some changes. Electoral Count ACT, Dan Mclaughlin has is banana, serve our friend and All of them had a great near times can saying look. This is that the changes that republic as Democrats want to make to the voting system just undermined faith in the voting system to the other side is entrusted with we should look at the Electoral Count ACT and it does so it is, though there are some things that can be tightened, their one, making it absolutely clear that this preposterous theory advanced by

Johnny men and others on the Trump side that the vice president can kind of unilaterally decide which electors to accept and reject that. That is is wrong and The vice president doesn't have that that power and making it They are also that one states have decided to choose their electors through democratic means and through having a popular election. They can't go back on that if the outcome isn't to their liking, these Seem fairly obvious things, but there they were things that were at issue. is among some people on the right after the last election and might be contended by people on the left in a subsequent election. There that makes perfect sense man. I think there is any reason not to do a couple things like this district, totally solidify. like, you said the reality that this is not actually a proper interpretation of the concept

It seems pretty clear to most of us, I think, but in the fact that this happened shows that a oh like that that be used for clarification like that, would be useful Going forward, hopefully will never get up. Of having something like this happen again. But why not take any sure we can to prevent it, and I think that's that's different from an acceptable in its different from what Democrats are doing, which is and you get something they already wanted right is not actually a response, the measures they are looking for and not in any way responsive to what happened. There, measures that they would have liked to see ten years ago, probably in things they would have been asking for regardless of what happened, and I think that the trend taken it rather than actually trying to respond to what happened and prevent it from happening again. The treaty actually meagre Jim on exit question? First, Jim Church humor will succeed in changing the Senate rules to try to pass these voting bills. Yes or no.

I want to say no, because I think they ve seen anything. It's accident changed the mind of mansion and but but don't feel like enormous amount of competence enormous that protection, then I don't think so I agree with Jim right down to the not having an enormous amount of confidence from their protection. So I just a kind of wonder if their humor It has some angle here. That's that's not evident. Otherwise this seems so self evidently force and gonna led to foster But on the other hand I would have thought same thing prior to the end of the year and is likely gotta past build back, better by the end of the year and that there is no reason to say that if he didn't think you had some actual path to passing it. You said it anyway. He didn't have an actual path, the passing it which mansion Underline and boxes and Sunday interview in December,

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the time honored norm and our politics that, when your locality is experiencing some sort of crisis and AOC given where she is on Covid, should consider Omicron a crisis and new Yorkers like people all around the country are completely deaf to get rapid tester. Any testing at all that you just can't hightail it someplace else, and when tat Gruget version of this. During the Texas blackout, an eye storm Elsie, was merciless in her criticism of him and then also air sea has dumped on Florida repeatedly but trader as some sort of healthcare, because this relatively free compared to the other states that have instituted covered locked downs, but when she was called out on this

and true, Elsie Fashion. Of course, she didn't show any remorse or come close to apologizing or expressing regret bread instead, she's snapped back at her critics, including with the argument that there is pent up sexual frustration that account for the conservative criticism of her and of women and of algae B, t plus people. Yes, while that being so, I want to start with a confession and in a sense and an apology to Elsie every time I have criticised her in the past. It was just because I wanted to have sex with her Funnily enough, this actually goes, but every time I criticise anyone, it holds any of her views. I can remember being at Oxford and read Karl, Marx and thinking. I dont really agree with any of this, but acknowledging internally that that was politics, because I wanted to have sex with Karl Marx

and if you go back through most of American. His judge you'll find that pretty much all of the great debates that we have had in this country have been the product of of sexual jealousy. I was astonished by the recent debate yeah. I was astonished recently took to discover this that the eighteen hundred election between John Adams and Thomas Jefferson it's mostly driven by Thomas Jefferson's and substantiated and unfulfilled desire to have sex with John Adams, with which he thought about all the time, I'm an it's only recently that we ve learned from his diaries and Adams was the same he used to write to abbot. I'll say all I want is a night with Thomas now I may look she's an area she's, a fool, she's, a distraction. She's

so full of it the defences of her weak, but the truth here is: There are only two options for her behaviour: one she's, not actually that scared of environments such as floods in which there are fewer lockdown restrictions than a New York. She sat outside in Miami without a mask on, so she can't be too worried about the rules that obtain in Florida. Ah, she thinks that she is capable of navigating the corona virus pandemic, but that other people are not

Which is a distinctly on american way of looking at politics? It is not good enough for our elected representatives to think that different rules should apply to them because they are more capable of the people they govern its know how America works. It's not how I met we should work on the question of her leaving New York. I caught member. We did Tupac Casinos donor, but I was very sympathetic to what territories as a federal legislator Ted Cruz is not the governor of New York. He doesn't of Texas. I should say I need it. Doesnt work for the power company either had the governor of New York left the Cancun during that crises that would have been wanting had the head of the Energy Commissioner, the power company done so at the mayor of of

done so that there would have been wanting but sectors the senator he worked in the federal government. This was not a federal question. There was nothing tat. Crews could have done about it and I had no real objection to what TED crews dead. But, as you point out, Alexandria across Europe, what has did she described it as the direction of duty. so one cannot apply to her. The same argument that I would have applied to tag crews because she doesn't believe in yourself, I don't know what Alexandria cause you. What is its support? to do about what's happening in New York. Ass artlessness will now. I dont think that much the Governments can do beyond encouraging in providing for vaccination, but everything that Alexandria, as you have has ever said on this topic- militate against her leaving a cheering this,

such especially to go down to Florida, Homer, Micron death Santas there. The grim reaper runs around the state, murdering old people, so yeah this. This was a great example of the extent to which people searches, Alexandria, cause. He put his have obstructed out. Politics, don't believe that it applies to them and it seems don't really believe anything that they say on Instagram. So there The wonderful thing here is Elsie could always cut a learned. The the rule, though, if, if you do kind of this kind of peace, social, media politics, the way she does, you can ever apologize for anything you can ever express the slightest remorse.

or regret it always has to be doubling down in attacking the other side and obviously down Trump, an exemplar of this kind of politics. But see, for our criticisms of trumpets plays by the same rules She doesn't it's funny cuz. I remember early on in her political career, a lot of people. I think, on the right begin, in comparison, are sort of an and are more edgy trumpets. wherever the red. I suppose saying these, it is she in Trump, basically the same politicians she's figured out exactly what makes trump so attention. Robbing undressed does it in the opposite direction, whether its on purpose or not? I tend to think it's all kind of a show to get attention, but, yes, I think she's not I don't want you does. I think I don't particularly Kara other season. burn you are carried out as truly said, think there's much could be doing in New York, but she seemed to think there's something that national politicians ought to be doing. At least when it's bad, you know convene, for her to be pointing out of her political opponents, it's convenient for her to be

tacking Florida, when death or at a certain level, rather be using it. As a political talking point against report, KEN's been actually showing concern for people who might be suffering from covered, but she's also happy to chop in Florida and take a vacation, I guess and eat, with a mask off, which she would decry someone doing if it were a global political opponents, not very good. At Two dozen she doesnt pivot, very well right. That's why her responses to being attacked are so silly. I think Charlie already put a pretty fine point on the problem here, but obviously the problem is not that people want to have sex with it. That satellite be broken, any about herds, because she silly she's not a serious politician. She doesn't have any real ideas she's really

how about a social media activists to manage to make it into Congress. Here we are with have passed some sort of than horizon, though one when a politician can say that the reason for criticisms of of him or her art, but that people are sexually attracted to do them just possible to imagine any other prior juncture, and our political history said Jim Gary. I know you ve been really your eyes, thumbing here you can hear it from over. There have been organised crime and operating there s my eyes. I worry during during this whole conversation that which we established in our pressure conversation. You don't care about. So let's go to something else. You don't care Marjorie Taylor, Green Twitter, suspension, I'm just not a fan of these twitter suspensions. They are completely arbitrary. She she is an odious figure I

follow her twitter feed particularly closely, I'm sure there's all sorts of misleading information on it, but the these many the strikes that to her ban on her, whether you dont you don't you don't get just three strikes, barely get five or something and told twitter permanently, spends you, but but things like saying that the vaccination vaccines are working, his people can get the virus, which is which is true in there doubt about it. We all know that now and it was expressing opposition to vaccine mandates, which is a perfectly respectable opinion, and goes to how these social media met masters of the universe. Think that that they know what the truth is. there they're biased and misinformed themselves. So this is why you had your people cracking down on the lab leak theory which ends up being in a perhaps the best explanation, furrow where this virus came from, but what he may

Dear listeners and rich you know when I allocate some of the limited supply of my finite number of brain cells neurons to you what else? Rio Cassio Cortez has set, or what Margaret Yellow Green has said. one which says I have to you, because we're gonna talk about it on the editors and that's it. Not only am I not lusting after Algeria, Cassio Cortez, I try to think about her as little as possible. and I try to pay a little has been a slow. You tell himself Jim, that's fine There is little attention to the you know. Circus freak wing of Congress is much. and because there are many problems in this world, but I prefer to write about and focus on, spend time about it in the end Alex in new cars, you cartels and for that matter March recalibrate. They become part of the entertainment wing of their respective parties,

their respective movement. You not see them talking introducing major piece of legislation that have any chance of being enacted into law. but for that he really useful critical solutions in the air out of your Caso Cortez is not all that differ. Replace the same role effectively as joy, red or tapie, driven or- You know Don lemon when he's on a bender or that I feel young Turks or, I guess Eric small? Well, there's. No. the shortage of people on a lap whose job is to go. Television or on social media and say something provocative and crazy. So there Oh my god, you see with a pretty person said nor by the way we ve got the same thing on the right with mere words, the Green and Michael down with his bed is well an act of and the waters, throbbing somebody who doesn't sell it on either side of the spectrum of Jim Kramer, do oversight by golly it's time to civil military darted door to get people back to these people. a crazy and stupid and Middlesex.

A single minute trotted out was my what I'm proposing good at first constitutional Muster but the big about that kind. Stop It doesn't really matter with Jim Kramer, says: hey. We need a seven days and made military takeover too. you know what a forced it all back, see that every last man, woman and child in the country What is a little more troubling when elected members which will start to do this? It's a private is beginning. You know now decided to go at the Nineteen eighties panties, commercial defence of her criticisms. Don't hate me because I'm beautiful fine will hate you because you're conceded the the overcoming sobered. What my worried all about Marjorie tell agreeing getting suspended, not really a park is, as I said, I would spend any more time about marginally children, and I have to you. we ve known social media companies are arbitrary capricious and how they spend people, of course, from the, the beginning of this pandemic. They should have been more reticent about the AL, kicking people off for allegedly spending disinformation,

because what we know about this virus has changed month by month as Newbury it's come along. They don't call a novel corona virus, because you were supposed to write a novel lawyer. Importantly, they called him I'll give you a virus. Could its No, we don't always know everything number. This shows that the six feet, just was entirely arbitrary? those are now you got publicly on a Wednesday. I dunno. What turns our cloth mass are going to do any more, do much good against one from its just partic contagious and spread far too easily. European Anti Five does in ninety five or whatever you know. Ninety five are out there and stuff like that utterly infuriating its utterly is predictable and yes, we can We have argued a million times over that the attack companies are arbitrary capricious and nothing has caused them to be any less arbitrary capricious and how they choose to suspend people say annex question to you who will end up being more successful on her own terms. Marjorie tail agreed where else

I think of sea were mainly because she's like a touch her to less unhinged, and she's, also more her version of being on the fringes more within the mainstream of ten of the Progressive Party. Her party, whereas I dont think larger a green sort of brand of being right, wingers is really as close to the mainstream are being an acceptable Republican. On the other side Jacob. I think Alexandria cozier quotas were partly because she has this extraordinary ability to make everyone in the world would have sex with her, which is really he's comfortably, partly because she has an obvious path. She may well end up in the Senate, whereas I think Marjorie, Taylor Green is destined to stay as a member of the house at best Jim

Rich, I was very tempted to say that, after considerable thought, consideration, I am in biologically incapable of having an opinion on the other, What I like one small signal small exception to that I do think that just Chuck humor is making decisions, be as if he's afraid of a primary challenge. I suspect that he's afraid of a primary challenge, rousing Cassio protest so because of her ability to effect thinking and decision making of the Senate Majority leader by that standard, Ios, these more influential and by that standard she's the morgue, achieving our goals more than than greenness yeah. I think it's it's close but I guess I chip air sea as well, and it might end up being that it isn't shimmer that she goes after, but Kristen Jill Brown has proven to be a total non entity in

the Senate and has very little recommended as the centre and would be presumably vulnerable to primary challenge. In twenty twenty four Fergus, we can look for her cousin calibre coming. It's a lesbian. Then all right. Well, let's hit a few other things before we go there. You have been wandering yet again this time to stop that did go to south end and a friend of mine from college got married on New year's eve. So we drove out is quite a haphazard trip. We drove out all day, Thursday were we were there on Friday. Got to work on campus is the first time we are back since we got married last may so nice to see camp askin. Even The weather was far worse than had been on May first, I've got to go, wedding and then drove back all day Saturday, with just a pit stopped to watch the game and driving in some pretty brutal rain, but thankfully yeah horrible game

I wish we had stopped for does nevertheless made it back in one piece of hundred. Yeah. I took some pleasure com, as I mentioned before. Just not like noted aims, I always think they're they're overrated, but as always glad to see this, because, just in terms- whether the selection criteria is gonna, Firefox Rights, always kind of nice to see the number five go down sooner thinking allocation Notre Dame than in their instead of sincere Cincinnati. I don't know, I think Cincinnati showed that another, but anyway, my condolences on that defeat, regardless Jim Garrulity, you been enjoying the big snow in Washington Dc Walter was reached the purchaser probably heard me sound every bit as dyspeptic as I sound today about the local authenticity will with public schools that acts like metaphorical snowflakes. When it comes to literal snowflakes, we will cancel schools at the dew point, gets too low

so if you're gonna have a cancellation of school, was the under clothing to go. You know the usual level news coverage of people rushing to their supermarkets to buy bread and milk and eggs, because I guess I'm very mixed french toast when it snows before whatever reason people all decide to react hyperactive and today Erdogan heavily laden to Sunday night into money that we actually have real snow. I think some sort, it was ten inches, probably close six seven inches by around, where I am like Just now I have no brakes by closing schools on Monday. Closed again today, which makes me something about mixed makes. Me suspect this is a backdoor mccrone closure. basically lesser shoveling s them like you know what, if you're gonna have, which are whether I want to have actual winter weather. I wanna. Let me give you some snow. Let me enjoy making a real winter, even more remarkable Kazanovitch things were in your neck of the woods around here on Sunday afternoon was sixty degrees

but his walk around in your short, sir, you know no jacket saying I'll come on his way to stop it. No, it wasn't joyful, the first snow, the years always lots of fun in its after that really from tired of the stuff. What ought to be travelling? It tell you when across pot hours idea, It was the first time my parents got to see my kids, they grandkids for two and a half years. The first time MIKE it's got to see their cousins for two and a half years as well, which is absolutely terrific, I think, playing to type. My favorite parts were the afternoons we spent in the pub, but had we been you can find a one room, it would have been great costs. Current of ours has, I know about in the way of a lot of families, but no more so than farmers. It is separated by an ocean. Sir, I cut the firm over the holidays and did something

it's really annoys me is the misleading and completely preposterous preparation times that come with with recipes. There's a dish. I love to make garlic clean, garlicky, black eyed, peed shrimp. And this kind of basically convict gumbo type dish, and it says it takes forty minutes to prepare and I've made this multiple times over the years and never takes less than like free out those are two and a half hours. I don't know how did they come up with these preparations? Have I guess they soon that you'd chow, everything in advance. But even if you factor that and it always takes much longer than to cook and no other south, I always have the temperature a little bit wrong or what is it? But it's it's it's. It's really annoying to see that that is supposed to take in a fraction the time that it really takes to make such

dishes with that. It's time for editors picks Jim Garrulity. What's your back with this one? is not the saw, the biggest or hottest topic in the entire country, but it is the sort of thing work at once. It happens to you at this time of night. We have all had. love. You will probably gonna read a speeding ticket and you like, ok, you know the knowing if actually gets it using. Ok, I'm getting mistake because I genuinely was speeding and generally more risk, and now the cop generally thought tat. I was a danger or is it just because they wanted to revenue, it's getting towards the end of the month. Well, our Danielson rarer. Ten rare apart Mayst route has a poster Chicago drivers gets speeding. Tickets ray. Eleven seconds are based on a study by the Illinois Policy Institute, absolutely stunning and points out that you ve got this relentless constant surveillance or somebody russian to get you get sucked practiced. In the meantime, fifty five percent murders committed,

I'll go when unsolved. Twenty twenty may wonder, be up to educate much wine was living in Chicago anymore at all damage your pet might take as a peace by Michael branded already that will not last week are opposed to expose where he talks, but about the Latin Mass and Pope granted I think this is something always worth getting Michael's perspective on, especially surer. A catholic listener concern about these things, Kyle Smith's peace pattern. Oswald turns rat against Dave Chapelle. This is a perfect topic for car because is about entertainment and tv which he writes about, but it's also a subject on which he can become. Indeed and which he very much does so. My pig is peace by arm in white. From a couple,

years ago there are a great movie of euro or one of them together with with Carl Smith, and rushed out it absolutely slamming this horrible movie. The power the dog which is boring. It is screw the ball. An all round, terrible movie that has gotten great credit. or claim, and one of the great aspects of arm, and why is it just doesn't care? he doesn't care what other people are are saying, and just totally slams this movie justifiably so that set for us see been listening to a natural part. Guess they re broadcast retransmission countess game without express written permission of national magazine is strictly prohibited. This. guess been produced by the incomparable chair should he makes it sound better than we deserve. Thank Charlie, thank you, Jim thank Yous and Thanks Atomic John and take specially to argue for listening where they are

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