I can't stand I know you planned it, but I'm gonna set it straight this Watergate. What could it be? It's a mirage, your scheme and on a thing, that's sabotage Donald Trump, undermines Obamacare decertify IRAN Deal is a good public policy. Or lessen your is it but I will discuss all this and more on this week's edition of the editors onwards Larry. I'm joy, as always by the right honourable Charles, see w cook the effervescent Ryan's alarm the Tories M Vd Michael Bread Authority. You listen, to a natural view. Podcast, and we are sponsored this week by away travel and quip you'll hear more about both of them. In due

course so right hand. Tribe did two things. The only last week that we didn't discuss and our last addition, he more leeway for Associated health plans and took undertook a few other relatively minor. Regulatory measures and then also the next day, ended these so called CS are payments the subsidies to insurance companies. who, in turn, suffered at subsidize the health insurance of low income, people Both these moves have Democrats crying sabotage and travel seems to imagine that this is a way to leverage some action in Congress. I think more than he might realize, he's not putting pressure on democratic, putting pressure on Republicans to cut a deal with Democrats and as we record, that effort is indeed a foot Capitol Hill. You have thereby Parson effort with more Alexander on their republicans.

Patty Mary with the Democrats to restart wish the USSR payments in exchange for what is probably some some minor deregulatory measures. What do you make of the state of the Obama cared? I can't decide if this is brilliant or not on the part of the Trump administration, because I see it as faintly possible that we could get to a new health system that is quite a bit better than what we had before the way you do that, firstly needed recognise that when people are saying- oh hey, you know trumpet sabotaging the exchanges, it's important to recognise that the Changes were not in the rudest health before you'll have a lot of people on the democratic side, a lot of Obamacare champions will say: hey the exchanges were stabilizing. Were stabilizing, however, with very few unsubsidized people actually buying coverage on the exchanges in a one but I saw from Robert Lozovsky- is that was around four percent.

Of the universe of people who are eligible for exchange covered. You had signed up, and the thing is that those people are middle class people who have limited options and what those executive actions did said ok, we're gonna, give you another option, but if you're uninsurable, if you cannot afford insurance, otherwise you still have the exchanges as backstop. now. The danger is that ok, well, that will draw more people out of the exchanges and then you'll have a Sicker older risk, on the exchanges, but the thing is under the Burma CARE statute, the subsidy go up. If that happens, so you know again, there is actually a passive it that by drawing more of these people out, you have higher subsidies, Which for lower income folks dross more of them on the exchange, so you could actually have an Obamacare that is more expensive than actually ones of covering more people. via the exchanges, while also giving people to escape route. That sounds crazy, but that actually could be one that effective. What happens

So my feeling is that actually have a deal with Republicans undemocratic. Working together and saying that we are not going to impose a mandate penalty on folks who get the short term, limited duration, insurance or vi, association of Plans etc. By doing that, you actually having much stable system, in which you dont have a lot of those better off voters who are not thank plans out by where many former Republicans those are the people who, most militarily opposed Obamacare you're, actually defining had opposition, and you might want of entrenching the exchanges. So this could be the week that it stopping Obama CARE.

it started being the american healthcare system for better or for worse. So Michael, you have been skeptical of everything Republicans have proposed or try to do on a bomb a care. Are you remain as sceptical about this executive action taken by the present? No, actually, I'm a little bit more positive, like Reinhard, on this one, in that I think a mechanism like the exchanges, if you could get a robust market in that, if you create something attractive and that works for insurers, for healthcare users. That could be a good enough system or solution, and I think we took a modest step in that direction, and I am

of course, though, I am a little bit skeptical, just the record of regular correlation were like thirty years. I still think like even a modest step is not enough, but no, I thought I. I am very cautiously optimistic on this. I think the key thing is to have an escape route for some people who want to get these lower costs plans, and I think that folks in the left think that that's a disaster and that's really bad, but I think that if you have some escape route but you're also that look. We accept that we're gonna subsidize the sickest most uninsurable people. It's like under Medicare view of these special needs plans. If you have exchanges that are designed to be high risk pools, but that, actually you know, don't involve republic, having to affirm that we're gonna spend two hundred billion dollars on a high risk, or if it's already there there like, backed and do it, then that could actually work. So I think it can make upon the exchanges like fourteen million or something like that, isn't doesn't that

imagine a high risk pool being a much smaller part of the population. Yeah I mean against. The thing: is that its both people, who are really second, otherwise uninsurable and also people who have load a modest incomes. So if you combine both of those populations together, then you get the exchanges, and I guess that the message to me that makes sense it is not ideal but a mess so it makes sense, is if you like your Obamacare, you can keep it if Republicans could credibly say that an eye a year ago, no one would have agreed to doing something like that. But if you say now and then, if you create this offer amp from the system. What happens is that over time you actually allow for a free, market health insurance system to develop. You have them drive down costs, creed, more attractive plans, so that big more and more of a safety net? Now, folks, who believed in Obamacare as a religion are not like that, because what they really wanted was for employers sponsored here too slowly fade away. That's a lot of people want, and it's it's a sensible idea in the abstract. They want that

that all of those people going to exchanges. It didn't happen because people didn't like that exchange coverage. The alternative is keep that as a safety net, don't fight it frankly allow there to be another market grows outside of it. I think that that ultimately smarter politics and I think it will wind up getting us to a better place policy. Wise. So Charlie allotted conservatives would listen to what I have just heard, the first five minutes. It is podcast and I imagine you are numbered among them. I think they just want a proper Monica. Yeah. I've said this before. I have a different view of the role. the federal government and different end game. I think than some other conservatives I don't want to prop up. Obama cannot because I want to sabotage

is it because Barack Obama's name is on it? Not because I hate poor people, but because I think that it is ultimately a badly written law. The delegates, far too much power to the executive is going to lead to political whiplash and of these crimes and should ultimately be resolved by the states. What I think is a very Charlie, friendly thing how Einstein, which is that what we want to do once you carve out some space for freedom, freedom, he's going to win over time. Those plans will actually attract more people. They will become more robust, the Erika, and I think that the problem is when you attack at fronty. You create a huge amount of chaos that leads to a snap back, and then you get single pair. If, instead, you say we are going to protect the most vulnerable right now. Excuse me we're gonna protect the most

well, you know indefinitely, but we are going to create opportunities for people who want more tailored insurance products for them. I think that that's the way to go joy, I just don't see anything thus far, suggesting that that's what we're going to do and if you look, for example, at this post, csi cancellation, bipartisan compromise that President Trump seem to endorse and has now walked away for all know. Jesus Christ doesn't do that present term. Chris Pope has written for us pointing out that it doesn't do what you're suggesting fellow Klein at the Washington examiner read through every line of it this morning and said this does not come about space for free markets. It doesn't carve out room for experimentation. I'm not entirely opposed to what your arguing Ryan. I just don't think that There is going to be room within this law for that x.

Imitation. I think it's going to need a radical overhaul. Will I think what Chris would say. I hate to speak for him, but is that you know actually it the exact action is good because of what it does it liberalisers. In effect the short term limited duration market. He wants it. Week the Alexander Murray Deal, but I think that the net effect would still be that you know we can look. People would still be willing to pay a pencil, if they can actually by the short term insurance. That's Taylor to meet their needs. That's an incredible statement and I think that in a kind of all right. A lively right is. Why does anyone may assist suffering it Michael beckoned? Why does anyone by a health plan for twelve months or whatever it is, what what's he'd Mary, the short duration insurance pulse there's no advantage to at the only advantages that its illegal to buy those plans. Otherwise, under a with your initially they said you could get these short term limited duration plans. They did not specify what the term of the plan was so initially was interpreted Ok, I guess I've earning under a year, which means three hundred sixty four days, but then the other

illustration on the way out in November. Twenty sixteen defined it three months and that changed what that change? How work, of course, but amid the reason people by these plans is because They want a kind of actuarial, only sound risk rated plan that actually meet their needs. That doesn't cover stuff that they don't intend to use here. It's just kind of classic straightforward, free market insurance, but what this executive action was suggesting. Is that not only could you get those plans, but they could also be renewable you do that, then that's actually kind of the the kind of individual internal market exploiters executives executive is Michael Lemme. Get you on point trolleys make about tromp. These at first use say to be in favour of this deal now Salazar, he might be against airily, seize up in the air and just gets it is coming in in who here its internal incoherence not like within the bar within the White House, but within trumps own mind about

whether he wants to forge by Parson deals as he occasionally floats on twitter. Yet I'm talking to talk about a great healthcare deal or you want to be with the free House, Freedom caucus and be it a purist in favour of tried to do everything possible just to repeal this he doesn't seem to know our hour by hour. No, I think trumps fundamental psychology on health care is how do I yet something I can sell, I'm not even I dont think even has an audience defined audience if we want to sell it to politically right. So it's like, if the Republicans could have gotten him out of a repeal and replace bill. He I think in his mind he would say I can sell that Republicans in Southern as, like. I got this huge thing, you're talking about for eight years, I'm doing it, but on the other hand he thinks okay, the Republicans king gather stuck together on mad that Paul Ryan and which Mcconnell can't get something through

in a what's another thing I could tell you know something which shimmer I'd be great and I can I can be a unified, and this is he doesn't know what kind of president he wants to re, ultimately any or rather he's willing to change that in a moment by moment is not just that he doesn't know it's just raise he's open. Am I understand Charlie? Is he surely was pushing affirmatively pushing Alexander to cut this deal and then that this is the whiplash that everyone on Capitol Hill experiences dealing with those present as is you don't know, you can't trust anything that he says, because he could change it in the very next meeting and either two poles within his own mind about where it wants to be one meeting with certain kind of republican he'll sound like he wants to be the by partisan guy, an ex meeting with other color public until sound like he was to be the ideological purist. This brings us back to the point that I made

the beginning of my last answer, which is that this law does not foster stability. Now. Donald Trump is an extreme example of the problem, because he knows nothing about health care policy he probably doesn't know what to say. I saw payments or do he problem. he doesn't know the changes that he just made by executive action inside and out of, or possibly even in Outline Donald Trump doesn't understand health care policy. He is not. I want, by any stretch of the imagination, he's also a man who is is easily distracted on whose mind is easily changed, and there is obsessed with his his self image, but The law itself lends itself to abuse from President Light Donald Trump Justice. It lend itself to abuse,

the president, like Obama, although notably different ways. Now. I think that the Trump administration was absolutely right to stop these cs all payments, not because I have a policy objection to them, but because they were illegal. I do not believe the executive branch had been enable constitution to make those payments. The appropriations clauses clear governing federal law is clear and that Obama started making without making an argument whatsoever that a federal court reach the same conclusion as the plaintiffs to me suggests that this was open and shut legally weather the other executive actions will good or bad I'm I'm open to debate on, but What worries me much much more than the policy question here is that there is nothing in ferry to stop president, brand. Coming in and restoring the cs, I live in cities and other really good point having basically, President Trump actually authorize the payments twice before

Lee deciding that he was going to stop authorizing them and the argument that this is unconstitutional, that it was not authorise its branch that is supposed to be authorizing spending kind of an actual Obama himself actually knows that he saw the legislation before if lives when it had been right. A new like. I think that that is crazy, but the thing is that he that's not how we framed it. He didn't say, but he seemed to make it seem. So I have absolute power to do this and I think that that cycle nobody understands this than we live in now. Does Obama did all these things that are illegal, earliest, highly dubious and then Trump sort of gets a permission? Slip therefore t there undue them on grounds that their illegal or leave them and in place on prudential right round us, but that is not just the product of Brok, her bonnet overstepping his bonds, which he D. Over and over again by declining to enforce certain parts of the law by delaying sudden puzzled by making illegal payment. It is all how the lorries written, unlike most laws, the affordable care acts, as the secretary shall Sector child secretary shot, the President Charlie,

I could and so on and so forth over over again, which makes it the details of the law, Thus, if the american healthcare system easily taken hostage by whoever it is that happens to have won the last election and when it comes to, markets and experimentation and the sort of freedom the Ryan is talking about. That The press is your enemy, because markets need stability and predictability, and you can't have that when the president can just turn on a dime and make sweeping decision is ass to how are you water is, I think that's a great point if Republicans could actually agree on something, I think that's the direction they they had an academy, in light of which only just said and in Algiers. I would appeal to Michael, which is that it reminds me of authorization of the use of military force in two thousand one? You just basically say to wage war on America's enemies depended sort of equal value that, wherever a variant of monetary eyes, ex question we have to get out of this topic. Michael, ask you three

options door number, one Republicans will end up undermining of on the care without replacing it to a number two they'll simply buckle and profit up door number three. They will forge a sensible transition to something better or number two Charlie door. One two three number two ran a rare in a rare bout of optimism on the part of of me. I'd say: option: three. Yes think it's gonna be door number, one more than than than anything else So the other big issue last week, although it it's been relatively obscured by so many other controversies going on, is the desertification in the run deal so Michael Good go to you on this first so's cut. halfway option. It seemed ass though Trump just he simply wasn't a decertify. This recertified. This thing again,

and he didn't believe it's in the vital national security interests of the United States and he just wasn't gonna stand forth continually putting his his name on that assertion. Every ninety days, but everyone around him, apparently in opposed getting out of the deal. So you have this kind of halfway house compromise worried diesel. five and then we're gonna, try to go to Congress and get some sleep trigger sanctions that would affect augment and toughen the deal in the areas where is considered to be weak. There's a sunset clause on key provisions. The verification regime is in very strong, doesn't cover ballistic missiles were. Where are you on us yeah? So It was an interesting move right, because Iraq

it in a way it was like trying to reopen negotiations of the deal itself, but, of course, you're doing is only with IRAN needs the President, United States and the? U S Congress right. No one else is kind of a party to this aspect of of sort of US sub. Rosa renegotiation I think I take the argument that we ran deal which, in general, I support what it accomplished, but it didn't accomplish enough for America, security interests, long term, and I agree with the present kind of the instinct to at least try to toughen up some aspects but I'm just highly doubtful that that you can kind of accomplish this kind of half way deal. I'm united, I think either the deal is now going to fall apart or present trumpets just gonna have to back off aid. You know I'd, let us just be a symbolic, you know I'm throwing my weight around and you know

causing a little panic for ninety days. Ass, I saw not shortens politically was the greatest option. You know, in one sense, you dont want the deal to fall apart entirely and just say: okay, Russia's amiss, strengthen position in the Middle EAST crisis is in a more uncertain position, benighted in the Middle EAST and partly right now I think one of the really dangerous things that were in an uncertain, fishing in the Middle EAST, partly because of IRAN, are running backed forces in Iraq mean this. This is big story right now in her cook. This this kind of conflict between the Kurds and uranium mines and between the Kurds and the iraqi forces who the United States. Train both of them there. There is good, there's kind of explosive situation in the background here that we think could be even bigger than the ideal itself Let's begin me nervous. So, while I appreciate the president in trying to find

kind of creative solution. I think he painted himself into a little bit of a corner he's either going to look like a chicken when he backs off the you know this kind of attempted renegotiation without all the parties involved or he's just going to let the deal part and we're gonna be a lot closer to war with Rams, o Brien you're, not a along as at the idea that we have to face a catastrophic situation in the Middle EAST, so be it probably always agree will so. Basically, Syria, the syrian civil war, is basically over. At this point. Assad has basically one Iraq now is on the verge of collapse. We're going, peace in the next step print issue of national review. That is all about the crisis becoming crisis in Iraq and look I'm he Iraq. It will be much much worse than what happened in Syria if we actually where to get that far and that two Donald Trump intervention. So I have mixed feelings about it, because, basically, I think that

the problem with IRAN is, as you are suggesting, Michael. We weigh bigger than nuclear a but the whole premise of IRAN. Is we're going to cabin nuclear treat. That is a separate issue. We're not gonna talk about the other stuff, going to clear that off the table so that we can have. We can broker this agreement on nuclear now the problem is by disorder certifying IRAN, I understand where the impulse comes from but we have no leverage. We basically gave up, All of our leverage. We gave them their cash that they can use for whatever and basically By doing that, the Europeans don't agree with us that actually IRAN has done egregious visa. The nuclear deal. So basically, the Iranians are in a position where they can say we're. Gonna shoot me as drivers being entirely unreasonable. Here, Russia and China will block and tackle for them in the U N, and then they will. gotta go from enriching at five percent enriching at twenty percent. They would have been able to do that anyway, but I think that that is the disturbing thing like they can get away with it. The good thing that Trump has done is, I think,

He and the people around him get that this is much more bigger than nuclear, and you need a reset around our relations with them and also like there are lots of big picture things, we need to prevent the Iraq. the UN's for building a highway between Teheran and Beirut. We just kind of what there on the verge of doing right. Now, that is scary, that is really bad and we need to basically strengthen our deterrent. The problem is that that's gonna. Take years of patient hard work, that's also going to trying to stabilize the Iraq situation, and I'm saying that as a sentence, but there's a lot more to it than that. So I think that, by Add IRAN deal that your speech thirdly, what they're doing there, because I think that they needed more leverage before they could do it good. Recognising that IRAN is a full spectrum threat, seems to me, Michael that this idea is clever one and could work in theory. The at our position is: let's just get out, go full sanctions and pressure them

a full force the square again, but if you actually could get city both in the Senate for this stuff, these triggered sanctions Europeans. Prego along- and I think the Iranians are pre desperate to stay in the deal see actually might manage to effectively straight for the deal without a wholly reopening the negotiations, but the idea that you gonna get the sixty votes in the Senate and they're gonna be all pull. This off seems pretty unlikely, and here I mean, like my focuses almost like- not only rainbows like what is happening in her cook. As I just don't there. There is a potential for kind of like a catastrophic miscalculation by the Kurds or by It could force kind of backed militias that are or warming around a rack and die in a dream there's also like there's somebody players on the field. As far as Eve, the Kurds of iraqi forces, you

green back militias in Iraq. You also have nearby russian forces. Still, round behaviour and Syria kind of ISIS a sort of wiped out through theirs story of so much chaos opening up like almost any minute now, it's like I'm looking at my phone them on pre nervous, so I mostly let them. Let me note of for the first time and with trellis are sixty seconds. Sixty first Pikestaff Charlie has affirmatively declined to have an opinion on it. She said that this. This is a historic one mark this. This is generally editors down, so do Jonah how to execute directed to you to pass on that. Are you logging pass on that to their eyes a jury had its for its real a year from now the IRAN Nuclear deal will be dead or alive alive, alike of it'll be alive, but very likely without us in it. I think that's worth were trouble.

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we're here. Please consider giving us a review on Itunes. If you don't like what you hear here, please forget, I said anything so Charlie, the other big event. This week, press conference after a White House lunch with President Trump and Mitch Mcconnell, where they go out before a pack of brain reporters pledged their eternal loyalty to one other and tell the world how their relationship has never been a better place so has its relationship been repaired? I dont think that varies much dividing them beyond the Senate's being divided itself, by which I mean you could imagine a situation your president and a Senate majority leader genuinely disliked each other and

genuinely had irreparable problems in their relationship because they have different world views because they had different agendas because they had different attitudes toward governing how to avoid politics with what ideology and that's always see, what's not happening, had the problem with the Senate as far as Donald Trump is concerned, is it it's not sending him things if you had TED Cruz in the White House? Imagine him saying you're sending me the wrong things the same. If you had drunk basic someone even more moderate than he is seems to want something he doesn't seem to care what that is, but the Senate is divided. The scent is full of people who do care what they're sending to the president's desk, and so it has been unproductive, especially when compared to the house that the root of this problem as such the relationship is going to be,

fraught with difficulty, only in so far as the Senate cannot be productive in so far as the Senate is divided. Donald Trump well, like Ms Mcdonald Mitch, Mcconnell, send him judges. Donald Trump around, I should say, pushes through his judges dont from well like Mitch. Mcconnell live much Mccall's Handsome Healthcare, Belarus Perform Bello whatever it is that he wants at that moment now. Mitch Mcconnell may have different views of Trump, because Mcconnell does believe in something because he's aware of how the system works, because he does have his own ideology. But I am a little loathe to delve into the soap opera that way supposedly watching, because there is really nothing to it and it's not actually Mitch Michaelmas fault. It's the fact that the Republican Party, as we discussed last week, it is two parties

and so in, insofar as there is a problem here, it's the Republicans in the Senate on productive and drop, wants them to be, but there's nothing deep all or on fixable. I dive into the soap opera for just a SEC and there is one thing about Mitch: Mcconnell that has not really been reported in the mainstream press and also has really been reported in the conservative press, and that's the fact that I I genuinely think that Mitch Mcconnell thinks that Donald Trump is dangerous and represents a serious institutional threat, and one result of that is that Mcconnell has done a lot of things where he's organizing every member of the Senate, all one hundred Republicans and Democrats, because his belief is that we need to protect the prerogatives of sense. We need to protect the institution because we're in a moment of maximum danger for our institutions. You can agree with that. I agree with that, but I find interesting is that the kind of people who are most vigorously not just anti trumpet, also anti republican Anti,

right that narrative of Mitch Mcconnell as the guy who's, stepping into the breach and trying to keep things going and trying to gonna make the system work in trying to get Republicans Democrats to work together. It just doesn't make sense to them. They just don't get it because, of course, Mitch. Mcconnell is no, no he's the scene of evil villain and then for folks on the right. I mean either in a way that actually would be put automatic for people to know that Mcconnell feels that way It would make it harder for him to in a broker deals the president. So I think that that's just one subtext of what's going on here so Michael some antitrust opponents on tv or saying this press conference well, Mcdonald's, disgraced himself, What is he doing? Standing beside this guy who's going on these seen a bizarre ransom for the press is, I was there looking awkward, but the thing is trumped just owns the base at Trump card. the south of the White House burn the colonel in effigy and people with sheer, whereas if Mcdonald shows the slightest sign that that that is

pensioners. What right right now is outlining there or or public criticism of Trump he will get fried, and I think he? U real, Is that, besides, having other motives of wanting to hold this main together to actually get some things done which go? So I think that the larger point, This brewing civil war and party trumpets in the Catbird see both sides who want his loyalty and what to win him over to their point of view and their attitude and Trump king had said Stephen. It's a great guy. I think I understand where he's coming from that Bitch Mcdonald's a great guy too, and I understand where he is coming from- and change change his spots in any given day, yeah it's can see why this the dynamic that seminars are facing has has kindly scrambled them right is. Is is they dont know how to judge Trump? They don't they, but they know of the base, loves him, but they are afraid of him. So you get these things like Bob Corker who

looks like for a year, and you know you talked about unless wikis angling for Secretary of state or vice president, then all of a sudden xyz, I'm retiring and pops, often says. Oh here's what I really think and am to Charlie's point. I agree with him that you know the the friction at least as far as the wool trump seems to, let alone is only that Mcconnell can't get in Paul and Susan Collins. You know to sign off the same bill s, that's the that's the political problem. I do think there are those in the White House, though, that suspects That Mcconnell is exactly what right on describes as this kind of guy who's, an Institutionalists, a swamp creature, someone who's kind of protecting the system as it is

and not allowing the revolutionary change to happen and that's what will make him a figure that you know Steve Berlin and the kind of populist right are going to I think they're going to make him target number one. I think it used to be poor area that now I think it is gonna be much Mcconnell. Yes, are Ryan helped himself by actually passing stuff, whereas where's Mcconnell, it is, is sitting on a big failure or at least on healthcare. One thing I do understand is why, ran Paul's. Ruinous me he had is as much of a role in bringing down healthcare is, is John Mccain. I guess Rampart voted for the skinny belburg did everything he could to obstruct

process and say we need a pure repeal and I'm not gonna touch anything. That's not pure appeal and any standing behind Trump in the oval office when he scientists executive order on Association health plant, which is the most incremental possible measure. But let's go to execute on this charter six months from now the percentage chances that Mitch Mcconnell end

I'll tramper still talking to one another zero. This relationship is doomed, a hundred percent, no matter how bad it gets. They will have to keep it together. I think, is quite high. I think it's seventy percent. Seventy five percent, because Mcdonald's going to need to keep Trump on board and part of being an institution list is not falling out publicly with the president is not just an institution list in defence of the Senate. Is Ryan points out, but is also an institution, listen defence of his party, and I think that Trump ass, I say, doesn't really have any animal toward much Mcconnell other than the he's been unable to send him things. But I'm not sure that's enough to lead to a feud. I think, with with someone who has a thin skinned, Donald Trump

You need to insult him all or criticising publicly in some way, I M, o Connell seems unwilling to do that. I think is quite high that they will still be told me for I have boy so because a year from now, ourself I'll say, though, still be talking that Steve Ban and is trying to knock off incumbent republican senators. Chancellor Republicans will retain control the Senate. You know it again, I'm cheating, because we're talking about one year from now, but man can you in a world in which Republicans barely hold can all, and they actually went up losing a seat on that. That would be ugly it's very easy for me to imagine Mitch, Mcconnell being tossed out of office in that case, but I'd say that a trump will see it as essential to his.

Section and survival. The Republicans don't do quite that badly and for that reason alone will still be talking to Mcconnell, Michael Hills, Toby talking and become lawyer from you think, partly because Mcconnell doesn't personalize it and also partly because Trump. We know we think he's thin skinned, but he is also thick skinned in a way is that he takes slights terribly, but then he invites you back at me. He hates ran Paul, but then He loves you haven't behind him. At the signing ceremony, I mean that there is a way in which is constantly flexible, yeah Chris Ruddy says. I think this is true, not sounds bizarre, that when trunk Cassio loser that's That's a good thing, and it's all part of this negotiation out of lecture relationship is going to be. I do have to say, Charlie, I don't think he likes Mcconnell. I think he dislikes Mcconnell. I think Mcconnell is the very kind of really captures kind of person that Trump, just

like visited? Mcconnell, looks down on quota, quote low energy yeah institutional list to really cares about the rules and the norms, and I should be delighted to throw him overboard if he could, but he can and that's that The reason why the odds are very high. Eighty percent that he'll still be talking to me, let's hit a few other things before you run here, Charlie. You are now a dyed in the wool baseball fat, although you can't really achieve that stands without subscribing to swerve. Have you subscribe to this

yet now. I've I've been holding out hope that Michael Brenda reality would give me a free subscription at her ass being like the rest of us a lot since we know sir sponsorship right now I'll use, it is happily yes well. I've now used baseball twice in a rose, my light item, but I think it's deserved. It yesterday I went to the the Yankees game. The anxious versus the asters was serves the fourth game and it was one of the most exciting games. I've ever seen. The atmosphere was was absolutely incredible. Yankees went for nothing down and about winning the game. Six too, for I think I read this morning that the players that they had never heard there and stadium that loud and I can I can testify to that. Having been that, one thing I am fascinated by sports is how it turns people into certain.

Able monsters in some way. I am a jack he's found. My wife is young finally, I have inherited had team. I am growing more and more fond of baseball, but I but no ill will whatsoever toward the asteroids- and, I daresay say in another circumstance had probably rooting fallen, because if the Harkin and yet last night. Every time the Yankees got ahead, Moscow to IRAN. Not only did I think, fantastic, the Yankees, I thought so you asked rose. You know ass if I had this long standing grudge against them and that's just a fascinating thing that that sports does to your, especially when your surrounded by hundreds, thousands of other people. Hollering and shouting, and that, on your side, that's actually, I was hoping to be correctly on some British ism when you're discussing again, but you came out, and colored like I've been a high profile, seven rancey eat. You ve been thinking about something much more profound and baseball, which is a tunnel recurrence, its truth,

when I was growing up. I was a massive bill. Murray Sue, fan. Four of my favorite movies for my childhood were Bill Murray Classics, one of which has really stood the test of Time Groundhog Day now it happens that over the last forty eight hours I have seen not one but two movies that are both oh Marsh's, of a sword to Groundhog day. The first of them is eighteen teen and tween targeted romantic dramaturgy called before I fall back Well, who wakes up again and again until she solves this kind of profound three and she says the life of another, and I wanna give too much away beautiful movie. The other is happy death, a kind of Manta dromedary, slash, slasher, horror, film, which was also a pretty darn delightful, I'm not quite as good as before. I fall if you're looking to weep if you're looking to p and your pants and otherwise be terrified. I'd say that you know those two movies make a great double feature. Michael.

So I have another film this week it's called brawl in cell block ninety nine and its available a tunes and thickets and some theatres right now. It's turns Vince Bond, who people may remember from swingers another movies like made in this Vince foreigners in this the critics using its a transformative role for him. It say it's. A kind of sublimely executed be movie where Vince VON please criminal, who eventually is because of circumstances that are horrible. He asked a kind of fight his way into the worst prison block in this eight and kill a man in order to save his own wife and unborn daughter, damn it is her.

Environment in sounds you'd wearable its by denying the sounds were really it's. It's all. You want to weep or PS its vital. If some, if people saw the movie you're, so go bone, Tomahawk kind of rough western film, its both by the same director and writer. It is its unapologetically movie material, abide the so im integrity, the piecing which is rather slow and deliberate, and the soundtrack which has been a very heavy. Unlike seventy soul. It's just a transport you to a very different type of Hollywood and it's great I watch movies for teens and Michael literally waters, a movie called bone Tomahawk Atlantic there's the difference between us, Sir thank you just about how we take for granted how parts of a body work up until the point they dont work, and this past week I tore a calf muscle. This relates to baseball,

the classic old guy injury when the Yankees one game, five other serious against the Indians at an even job. It was not a job. There was like a big step in our house like a a centimeter higher than I would normally step. I felt this pop and Michaelis Tenant at first. It was a calf muscle that I torrents on the man. It's not much of a major injury, but just goes to you don't think about your cap muscles. Most of us who are not people, until you heard it, and your your limping around town, so I think I'd every day for your your health and and having working body parts every single one of them so charge. you're very quickly, going to tell us more about away travelled, unwanted gotta, enters picks and got a right hand. First, cause he's gotta, do a classic right hand sneak out before the end of this trial is let's hear about way. Travel seconds wanted this week is away travel, a favourite of mine, away, travel, uses highquality materials to make their suitcases while offering a much lower price compared to

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Briggs. Who's been writing regularly for us on an arrow. He is an expert on the Navy and his co authored a piece with Robert C o Brien on why we need more service vessels in the Navy and how to get there in an affordable, strategically sound way rate peace highly recommended, Michael. What your pic thousand pick with authority damn Dr David French, responded. Harvey Weinstein's scandal this this peace and a row about how we need, if we look at sexual morality in in our culture and really ask ourselves whether consent is sufficient, as the only way to judge sexual relationships. I think it's a bold piece to argue it's it's going at maybe the largest sexual taboo that exist in the United States, whether they were there other things to do and in what I think David does point out. Really well is that

reducing sexual morality to just consent use you open up sexual relationships to manipulation by power in Europe. Besides, you know- and I would add you open them up to market ASEAN and in the logic of the market, which also despoils them truly like to add. A tory L, defending NAFTA. Its fashionable to bash NAFTA is fashionable to pretend you're in favour of free trade, but he just wanted to be fair. This is a full throat, defence of NAFTA, with it concession that there are a few things

that need fixing but they're, not the things that we hear about on the radio or from the president. They are minor elements that need updating. For example, the internet was not really in full flow enough to was withdrawn, but ass. The editorial says this, sir. This deserves scalpel, not a chainsaw, and I would like to see more people making this case in defence of what has been a boon for the United States and its economy. My pig, is a piece in the next print issue by the distinguished former time writer, Lance Mauro. He uses as his hook. On churn out new biography of Ulysses S grant which, like classic, could turn out biography as a thousand pages long. I will not read it any times

because I'm deterred by the lake, but eventually I will read it and I'm sure it's it's fantastic and a little skeptical that Lance could actually draw out any contemporary lessons of from this piece. The way he promised in his pitch. But he really succeeds brilliantly at the end when he makes a point about how grants or the stands for this culture Character, which is different from the culture of personality that Donald Trump represents in the culture of character in wash, in turn, link in a grant were really beholden to which is a relentless ethic of self improvement and self discipline and self control. and after these civil war and grant course straddles that the war We see the rise of something different with the rise of advertising and promotion, which is the culture of personality which has has reached

would seem to be a logical and point. Maybe we're gonna go further down this road and Donald Trump, a celebrity in the White House. Now, that's all time for us this week. Thank Charlie Here I hand. Thank you Michael thank you too away travel and take you to equip, and thanks most of all to all of you, for listening. We are the editors. We will see you next time.