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day for Republicans Virginia where a mediocre too dreadful candidates, namely Ralph Norfolk, whilst a victory in the gubernatorial race, while Democrats storm to victory and elections around country, will discuss all this and more on this week's addition. The editor I'm Rich Lowry, and I'm join as always by the right. Honourable Charles see W cook Effervescent Righthand Salaam and are very special, get Jonah with the hang over voice. Goldberg Johnny, you had a big night last night roasted at the key literary animal annual dinner impressions it's very hard from Brussels Great to be here alone Eight losing the issue of complaining about I've never been invited here You don't really invite as much as you showed up at the office and clutches down, I think, showed up with generous sing out. Actually I woke up at the office in the Netherlands about a year

a commentary. Roast was fun. Last night I get more fun, for I think observers than for participants. Recently, the rose the. What tell us about what what it's like to be participants. Are you nervous the whole time the sun was gonna, say something really cutting airy disembarrassed, it's all about you or more more making more. The latter, I was tone Charlie earlier, complements, make me feel very uncomfortable. I don't take them well, I don't. I tend something unfairly, not to trust people when they give them. you know, but Julie. Le Green room. Flattery really makes me unease, so I've, never prescient agreement if I ever green room together. I'm not sure we I dont we have got life go and in so I actually wanted more insults, because for so I thought I was gonna, be

I I I think I was bright harder on people than they were on me. Very generous. I appreciate that in, despite all your lies and for the record I do not. They buy baseball cards on Ebay that might have an ample collection of my own. That doesn't need to be. Arguments have been further for the record. That was a last minute. Substitution from cat toys gives you two things get up, but I know it was fun. It was good, I'm glad Pa John Ports was happy and by people at a good time. It was just he's gonna. Take me while the process now hoping for congratulations is wonderful night. So the worst part of the night, for me was right around eight p m, you mean over with your phone, and you say a rich fox, just called Virginia Ralph north them which Charlie I was genuinely surprised by, because we ve been about recently last summer, we thought. The worst case in Virginia Gillespie loses by one comes up just short and, and

given the way the last week of the recent played out. I allowed myself to more optimistic and I really thought he had a very good chance of winning maybe winning by more than one point, which would have been kind of a landslide for Gillespie in contacts, but instead he's drugged by nine points, you have the Democrats with historic pick. Ups in the house of delegates there I think the biggest pickup live they ve ever had as five needs because has been a steady down. Look downward slide for Virginia for Virginia Democrats in the house, a delegate since nineteen it is- and I thought Gillespie was running, a pre deft campaign and probably the best he couldn't circumstances distancing himself from Trump personally, while picking up some trompe an appeal and attempt to damp in the democratic turn out and Northern Virginia and goose the turnout in the rural areas, but he just got completely swapped

by a tsunami and the suburban in rural and urban areas and state. It was a very bad Niver Republicans the two indicators that were the size of Gillespie loss. I too thought he would come close for, though I thought he was gonna lose by appointing a slow time and the House of delegates has. He said it's not unusual for a new president to preside over a loss in Virginia for his part. In fact, it is what happens, as happened last five presidencies, but not by eight points and not accompanied by a legit Dave, tidal wave, and so it is a long way until next year, but this is not looking good for the Trump administrations effect on down valor races, sir. I had already the prospects here are for Trump ISM, without trot, because as of about thirty six hours,

the ban was touting, how at Gillespie was very model of how you could run on from agenda without necessarily trump himself, and this is the worst possible thing that Republicans could imagine. I think both of us probably more sympathetic to the notion of trumpets and without Trump than Jonah, or Charlie are there are lots of dimensions to Trump ISM right because in a fundamentally Donald trump himself as an opportunist and one element of it. That is talking about immigration enforcement. There's another none of it. That's talking about immigration enforcement through the lens of identity in ways that are just necessarily incredibly alienating and me to my thinking has always been. There are sometimes things, even if your tongue, last to their ways. You can say that pay the parting needs to be more responsive to the working class. There is another way to say that there is a scheming hive of Globalists amphibious, so I think that what Gillespie wind up doing he wound up talking in these very hard edged

Is that one of getting him a lot more blow back then actually moving the ball forward. On substance, given that Gillespie it using a swamp dweller, for example, there might have. Some case for offering some kind of bread and butter kind of appeal and he did have position papers and it is clearly a bright, thoughtful guy, but that stuff got lost your deal with the media and the media, amplifying your messages in various ways that can work for you, as it did for trompe managed to do. To the media in ways that made it seem as though there are lots of people who didn't you air trumps views on this or that discreet immigration policy. Question people met events after on an or what have you done him, but the sense that he is. Basically on my side for Gillespie, fundamentally Statewide raise the party. Idee is matters and women. That's really amazing that Paul Ryan is really unpopular right now, meet for what reason Trump is actually running against them. public imparting the republican brand and in every state might raise people aren't really voting on.

Actual state wide policy issues their voting about the state of the party brand and in every one of those four special elections that have happened since trunk came into office, republics of one they ve won by a lot less than they should have one of those districts such as my own All senses that Trump has done things that are just really really bad for the Party and Gillespie. Try to read that needle, but it just didn't wonderworking so Joan this. In your view, another step towards the trumpets Apocalypse that you have been warning about and and worry about AL area because the dumping apocalypse inevitable everything is a step towards one minute, we're all getting. through the sun burning out too there's nothing. We can do about it. I wanna make two points. First, what I would prefer Trump ISM without Trump too, because that be a thing right. That would be an idiot logical thing. I could have an argument with Trumpism with withdrawal is basically just

it like arguing with a lotta lamp them in the position. Just constantly is changing and you just have the sort of go with it. I do think in Georgia Ryan's point: it's not just the election results, the brain damage the republican Party people seem to have forgotten the last couple years. The rebuilding party is a suburban affluent college educated party, much as anything else right. That's the the bellwether district was that us off district in in Georgia where Romney wanted, by running what double digits and trump one by one percent, or something like that, because those or what Republican Party. Where was like nuke, families successful raise their kids in the suburbs. Traditional value types and Trump wants to make it more our ban and wants to make it more of a sort of lower class demographic

as the leading demographic of the Republican Party. That is Are we going to turn off the The voters you need in places like Virginia of Virgin, has been a problem for Republicans for a little while now I saw some numbers this morning. You know I was My third bloody Mary there northern like double. old calories numbers with college, educated, women, white women and then the numbers twenty two percent. I think well, the gender gap, I think, was just twenty percent yeah and those plus twenty two, the money that the damage that Trump has been to the republican brand among millennials, among college educated people is is, is really large knife. it Trump ISM without Trump would actually do better because it wouldn't be cause as much as the protein. Argument. These days boils down to a called a personality argument. The anti tromp argument boils down to a call Personally I do. It's basically does I dont like him, and if you can get an eighty are

coherent ideological position that isn't about trumps personality. People who wins more people to it, and you also may be able to detect the fight of this thing. Charlie. I think one lesson from last night is there's no such thing as Trump isn't without tromp, there's, not anything without tromp in the current environment. Tromp is the defining figure of the Republican Party, and it it's not gonna. Get that that's not gonna. Go you know, if republicans lose, the house in the Senate would say the very worst scenario: twenty eighteen trump be the one Republican left standing at the federal level and end the one, a brake on Central, unified, democratic control of Washington twenty twenty so can it be more about tromp rather than less, even if, if he's responsible for taking the congressional majorities, that's true

or the other is difficult at this stage to know what's going on, because in two thousand sixteen M, an awful lot of Republicans who were more traditional in their politics, ran ahead of Drum marker Rubio John Mccain work with it, the two this example, assess was was Paul Ryan, but and the argument that was that in our trumpets that have just rolled over the finish line, whereas republicans, who were less like Trump had had done better and that that demonstrated the limited appeal of Trump ISM? if we now see that Trump essentially the head of Republicans, you could constructs two cases why that's happening the first is that actually Trump is the centre of gravity within them, working party that the market reveals and John Mccain's are not popular that we starting to see this with, for example, the retirement of Jeff Flake,

or you could argue that for a long time, American, to soar Trump and the Republican Party is being discreet as being separate as not being the same thing: and therefore were willing to vote for aka Rubio, while not voting for tramp in many cases or John Mccain, while not voting the trump, but that the last year has pushed the Republican Party and its branch close to Trump that he is now the date, the image the icon and that will have devastating consequences. Now I don't- yet which of those things is true, and I don't think we have enough data. But last night is more As for the latter proposition cause, I'm Gillespie would get irritated with the reporters ask about troops. I don't know the guy I've. Never, madam, I basically don't wanna know him. I don't know why he treated this about me, but my hand, Another question here before we we wind up on this topic, so what?

your view of the legitimacy of the issues that collects be ran on that that were champion the Amis thirteen in sanctuary cities, keeping the statues up restitution of rights for felons, because the the freak out on the left was extraordinary on this, where they took all those issues to be out of bounds. and perhaps racist several definitions that I think you can legitimately take several different views on with her two sanctuary cities. It appeared as though there was a genuine cleavage. There is genuine. Of opinion. That was something that was worth talking about. Something worth pointing out now, it happens or then said explicitly that he oppose a sanctuary cities to me, was very interesting and important it. With regard to the confederate memorials, I mean you know they basically had this thesis about. These in South Western Virginia and getting the trumpeters the steward voters to turn out my

view is that that was a mistake to hang the cat pain so heavily on those issues bitter. But it's not something It's not the kind of campaign I would have run and I also believe, that made it seem as though the campaign wasn't really about those kind of substantive issues that might have given him more purchase. like. It was a purely identity based campaign which left him very vulnerable to that backlash. But more Broadly in a forgive me for veering off a little bit. I do think another you saw. Is this interesting cleavage among Democrats? So basically, there are a lot of Democrats who might have seen silver lining and Ralph North I'm going down because Ralph Northern was running as centrist, Democrats, someone who actually acknowledged that he had voted for George W Bush. other hand, you have Phil Murphy in New Jersey who was fairly mainstream Clinton, Democrat type but who's running very far. The left on

migration, enforcement and other issues. So that's a really interesting question about whether parties going to go into all of you know what you're thinking about twenty eighteen up for Republicans I mean I would love to see what kind of pulling what kind of service did they see? Was this kind of hail Mary? They thought that this was literally the best way for them to run as opposed to the kind of campaign you get the sense, a glass. wanted to run on, which is a very kind of age, oriented campaign like, let's see no kind of help, businesses lets you negative, hey, let's campaign among them, You know who's in green Americans in Northern Virginia. So I think that in a way he couldn't run this campaign very authentically is Emma's. Thirteen legitimate issuer sanctuary cities illegitimate issue absolutely, but you know, I think that at risk over making everything else that Gillespie another. Public into the state wanted to talk about. Their belief was that the economic cost It was enough to get them within shouting distance of five point. Loss was south close. Now it get given what happened,

but they needed something more emotive, motivated to punch through at the answer that this is just that they thought it was either. Do this or just comfortably go into the good. Now you see the sanctuary cities issue and the confederate morals issue is one of the same, because I know now, but I also I think the memorial should be mothballed, but I dont think a working republican politician running, Virginia. When is a two hundred and twenty one issue at least four people want to keep the statues up, and it's only in the day before yesterday people started saying these things had to go down. I don't see why it's a radical or out about pollution. general you made on comparable, like anything, Gillespie is running out. No, I'm in the because I live in that market right, the Thee non stop northern shared a parking space with it. molester ads or whenever that thing. What all this is that got a little tired,

I don't even remember exactly what the details of the association with him with a drama, but it It was tat, was almost like a simpsons parity commercial because it was. It was the all you heard, was the guy, his name and the pedophiles heart in the actual connective tissue to it seemed kind of weak. But other than that now that it's just a minute as a pole numbers this morning that, but fifty nine percent of others in Virginia Yesterday- want to keep the monuments up and only thirty seven percent you announced that means that northern one among a significant number of people want to keep the monuments up and mean Virginia barbarian- I do just a normal Virginia position in most of the state I've I distinguished when the ones that were put up as a big middle finger in the sixties to the civil rights movement versus. Don't you know like in turn to manage in Rome, in their brows gonna stuff

like TAT, and you give it time. Yeah yeah, I just about me is that in Rome Party is the Party Lincoln and why it falls to the Republican. to be not the chief booster of what down from calls our heritage, It's just a little weird for me, but now I wasn't put off my chest Ex a question on this topic. In the light of Tuesday nights result, what are the percentage chances that Democrats will take the house and twenty eighteen zero, meaning Paul Ryan. Can sleep like a baby back and Jane still Wisconsin to one hundred meaning he's inevitably giving way the gavel to Nancy Pelosi in January twenty nineteen. I think this polio sixty percent chance that they too the house? But I would just say that that does depend on what Republicans do if they continue to

I owe it. Everything may try, and I know we have but Google search and we hear about the red deregulation and somewhat that's trump as much as anything if Congress doesn't do anything for the next year. Then I think it's all my certain ram, sixty percent chance, more Americans vote in mid term elections for democratic candidates than Republican generates forty percent chance. There are actually able to flip the house Jonah you're, a decimal point. The reason they claim on the log out and do something with it doesn't need parts in another way. Only numerical exit questions it might have been the last chance for a decimal, commits us to introduce a decimal point into the next to work on it. I think it's very bad news I'm not give you a great number for it, but I think it's very bad news for them.

Read me for the Republicans and am I think, there's the almost fifty fifty shot that they they lose them, I think sixty it is about the right answer with your caviar not knowing whether they're gonna get tax reform there being some chance that the taxpayer goes down. I'm gonna bumping up at this juncture to say seventy seventy five percent and with the tax bill it seems to me there not we're not gonna, do huge amount to help themselves. I soon this bill be unpopular. It will just forestall vast or scenario of the donors completely quitting on them and a lot of their voters completely quitting on them. But what we know from Tuesday night is the Democrat wave is coming. These people are turning out there get it. Have daggers in their teeth and crawling over broken glass to vote and an Twentyth eighteen and

Is there there's some chance? You things break the right way and republics are just motivator enough or their their unforeseen events to stop that four of house from flipping by a kind of doubt it, at the moment rich, I am furious that you actually mean this so interesting, and now we're gonna move on to another topic, because that's actually fascinating what implications. As is our that these results? What do they tell Republicans in Congress about how to move on tax reform? So we have to sponsors. I have been. I gotta give. I know you're you're, anxious to read red one, but we gotta Charlie. First, if you ve, never read an add on our our pie, have not something a little more to work in a das decimal point to your pitch when it when it comes around, but you know, I was gonna- tell us about away travel a way to have. I have one of their bags to take away with me away. Travel uses, high quality material, while offering a much lower price compared to other brands by cutting at them

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it away travel, dot, com, slash editors and use promo code editors during check out or more time, that's away, travel dot com, slash editors and use promo code editors at check out for twenty dollars of any suitcase. Thank you very much Charlotte. So we had this horrible and in Sutherland Springs Texas, where this monster basically wiped out an entire small town, Baptist Church, Sheep killed or injured everyone in this small white roadside church and Joanie. In your view, is this: it's obviously a drip drip of horror that we experience in this country ever every couple weeks, Is this debate moving at all? Is there any place for it to go, or this is just just the reality and there's nothing to be done about, there's nothing changing

fear that we're gonna get a lot more mass shootings and it seems like the frequencies increasing the horror of them seems to be increasing the great copycats. So I dont think politically that sustainable someone's gotta give their culturally something's gonna give there. What what gives you know what was meant. I dont know Tralee, better prison ass. I just work all about this. I think So the fascinating things is that that were set, right now is the with the exception of of certain imported gun nuts. At this table the programme gun argument is increasingly becoming a culture, war argument and the anti and end though they have a better position on policy. This is theirs is weird thing: were the the better our in on policy or on the programmes I represent and mental. Let what he made a cultural or argument

look at Dana Lashes adds. We and our aim in Ireland with the fist of justice will smash. There lies and it's all about kneeling in the inner foul and all this kind of stuff in its supposed in there are basically kind of proletarian, Real America virtue signalling in our because part of the problem arises that they largely one the policy argument. Certainly, when the political argument trumps, I can do anything about guns. Caught republicans approve nor can I do anything bad about anyway, gun right and so in part of it strikes me there is a need to maintain your membership whose, when there's no threat, knows a major threat to gun rights right now pending in Congress. Meanwhile, The left, anti guns, I'd have very bad. The arguments, they are in denial, that the real position is a culture where argument to, and so instead they they claim the mantle of being sort of pragmatic policy, oriented common sense people.

And it's very strange and version where the programme side has the better part, organs, but they do want to make policy arguments anymore. They wanna make this culture arguments and the left is really simply motivated by a certain disdain for half the country and for guns- and they just don't like them, that their talents magically. in their eyes and better aiming to be just palace. people were not certain. Journey. Should we have any hesitation, as conservatives just saying, renunciation of this and it's gonna get worse. While it sounds like a cop out right, but it seems to me It seems to me that the guns or a dime marker of the larger problem right in I think this has to do with. Then a civil society, and I got this becoming out where I would argue that this has a lot to do with romanticism We are basically at a moment where the culture of the left and the right is writing against incitement principles and in an logic and instead it's a lot of a sort of

emotional rebellion, and I think that the mass shootings are of a piece with all of that and the question: is there there sort of artists of destruction? there there their barbarity, ops against the young, the needs of the age as they see them, and I think that that in a society where the sinews of civil society are so weak- and we don't have the ability to keep our eye on these kinds of people at at at when the warning signs are there. The availability of guns, is a real problem. How you police that I just have no idea. Yes, rationalist pick up on the cultural aspect, and I've talked it surely about this alive off line. I went but back this week and looked at this passage Swiss stuck with me from Malcolm Gladwell. The tipping point discusses suicide and how Micronesia in Micronesia, suicide is basically unknown until there are few high profile cases,

this cultural idea that, if you're a young ass, a teenager and you drove from breaks up with your parents, be harshly to you suicides an option, and all the sudden Micronesia had the high suicide rates in the country. Seems to me that this cultural idea, it's now afoot in the land that who are a broken person and angry person a lonely dispossessed person, and you want to kill yourself, and this is how you do it this is how you go out, and I just don't know how you'd disempowered, idea and it seems to me, in terms of schools, buildings. I ought to know for a fact, but I'm guessing that if you are a troubled disaffected kid, every counselor and authority in a school is on you, because I know you potentially could be a ticking time bomb in something on speaking the horrible could happen, so you can do that school in a closed environment. How do you do it with this twenty six year old, whose assaulted his child- and

but his wife and has deep mental problems, but he's just he's just out there. Just floating there are two elements that immediately come to mind the first looking at this as a cultural issue. I do think that those of us who defend gun rights need to start thinking about other interventions that are not necessarily policy interventions, for example, justice. Blushing and nor much like the norm, that mother Agus against drunk driving established to say that if you are in distress- You are in emotional turmoil, hand your guns over to a friend your guns. Over to someone tat, you love and trust, and I think that you could of people in this unity, just this idea of some kind of cultural self policing. Reading that norm, when you know that someone in your community is in some kind of crisis that on you to take some action to see to it that they are going to be safer than they would be otherwise that

something that I think would appeal to a lot of people coming to actually is responsive to the nature of the problem, which is that we have more guns and we have people in their own states. This is a reality. You can pass any gun. Legit Listen, you want that will not change that fact. So, in a really it's about these bonds that that journalists document earlier on its basically about the fact that those bonds are free to the point where he actually are not able to reach out to people in crisis, and it happen but this is one thing that you don't want a person in crisis and necessarily have at their disposal. That's one piece of it: The other thing I want to mention is less cultural, but you know have John Corn and the republican senator someone who does taken. It seriously saying that he wants to pass legislation that will improve incentives for government agencies to do What they're already supposed to do, which is report? The air force, did not put information that would have kept guns out of the hands of this man, they just didn't

put this information about the fact that even court martialed dishonorably discharge in and what have you that he'd been violent. They didn't in put it into the system that is in credible failure and actually goes to this larger argued that lots of gun rights defenders make, which is that look. We're not add. widely defending the rules on the right. Now we talk about a failure, civil society. This is an incredible failure on the part of publics. That's not what I have always believed in and the sum but priggish on me. I leave that conservative should not be opposed to govern unemployment or public. We need some of them. We need some of them to do their job well and conscientiously. We need them to be the right people who take their job seriously. There are people who fail to input this day who should be ashamed of themselves and we need actually start taking that role seriously into our ideals, don't work if you dont have public servants who take their job seriously and agencies that don't take there.

seriously. The airforces gonna go with workers. We forgot to do this, that Excuse me that asylum and something we should all be outraged about and honestly unjustly terribly been there, even though I am all for etiquette of corn and passing some legislation or on this. But it's it's crazy, provide incentives for people to do things that they are a blind. to do under the law right now, there's something a bit shameful about all of the scotch. Only one thing is that's different about this. Shooting is in the most recent examples. All these guys legitimately past background checks and ask. I should not have passed a background check YO one of the things that I hear a lot from people who disagrees me on grounds that I must not care about the shootings. All that. I think

some way that the price of freedom, or that I don't have the same reaction to learning that an eighteen month old, has been shot in the head as another human being and actually do. The opposite is true, and I think it's fair to say I may be more distraught about this than most people, because I don't think this entity even do to stop it, sir, assessing this. Along with what is a terrifying realization, It must be nicer to think you have a solution to think that you could just get the and our way out of the way or flip Congress. You can stop this and I dont believe that, and not actually leads me destroyed in this case there are, of course they were mistakes made, man who did. This was a mental deficient,

the law describes him. He assaulted his wife and fractured his baby so step since skull He also was discharged from the military so on a number of counts. He shouldn't have had these guns and, and none of that information seems to have been entered into the databases, not just the air force. I think that those failure, obviously that to deal with the system as it exists. I also think that there is a broader failure of the criminal justice system, at least as is administered by the air force, I'm not a lock him up and throw away the key sort of guy. I am generally in favour of criminal justice reform. I do think that that if you assault a woman, choker and then fracture a child skull one year is not enough I dont know in what universe that is an adequate punishment, and I think that for a couple of

since, obviously, because I would like him to have been imprisoned instead of doing this, but also because it's very very difficult for To imagine what it would take to get you to the point at which you could point a rifle as another person and pull the trigger kill a child. But this guy told us. Essentially, this is the sort of person I am. I mean I don't think, there's a huge difference between smashing an eighteen month, old skull and shooting an eighteen month, or that it takes a certain reckless so evil or whatever you want to call it, and we have to do a lot lot, better realizing that those messages are being sent. What do you think about the notion that, for you, as someone who owns firearms yourself knows others who do that there should be some kind of cultural, shift in which you did. If you saw a friend who is in serious distress who might we'll be danger to himself into his family that unity, to him and say, look rich, you are deeply trouble. Man,

hand over your guts. Now I arrived, railways very well adjusted. I should say this because its often suggested that conservatives, all our second amendment advocates, don't believe in gun laws, and it's just wholly untrue. I don't leave in many of the gun, laws that are being proposed by progressives or anti gun people, but the Norton Burg Amendment which for it prevents anybody who has been convicted of a misdemeanor assault, domestic violence from owning farm is a good law. It should being followed by the air force, Similarly, I think that it is good that we have a background check system that would weed out people who have mental health problems. It's just that in this case it didn't happen and I also would favour an eight out of due process protections or be important, but I would also favour a law that held people who gave fire. to somebody who they suspected was either mentally ill, always angry or depressed or suicidal, uphold them liable.

I think that that is a is a big problem. What I don't think you can do is to look at this. This mistake. The government at many levels has made. I'm conclude, What we really need to do is charge the same people with gathering up four hundred million privately and farmed, and indeed that which is really the only thing that would work that that means is incredibly woolly thinking, but yes, going to fall to individuals and communities too to deal with this and am not to sound like the typical right winger on. but it did fall to someone in the community to stop this. Now you can argue out. Nobody should have guns fine, but given that they do it, this was and an array and structure within our fifteen who came to the rescue, hair and stopped, and he did stop. It is that the in depth reporting a show that the guy was continuing to shows he outside the church, but still shooting at that

he, according to Africa, which paper was end, but according to a tick tock in one of the newspapers he going around essentially banishing the wounded and when this and our instructor came out, still inside the Sharia and the centre instructed came out unease barefoot, caring rifle and shot him in the gap in his armor. He ran off and then he was chased by another guy in a car and he crashed into a tree and it seems that he shot himself not again. It is just an appalling thing to have to countenance, but if you don't think that you can fix this with with some sort of you know the Christmas two thousand and seventeen, and it's going to be a combination, I think, of what Rihanna suggested and people like that who, in such cases, weathers terrorism or not step up so exit question Joan.

In the short to medium term, there will be meaningful public policy. A meaningful public policy response to these massacres, yes or no, with the exception of banning bump starts, were driving, is still possible. Now ran the court and built upon So, yes, I think Congress might pass a law that is already on the books and say that is done. Something May I think probably I don't know whether I guess it depends on the meaning of meaningful, but I tend to say no write and tell us about Casper Masters, massage ash you guys Casper, is asleep, ran that continues to revolutionize its line of products to create an exceptionally comfortable sleep experience one night at it, Casper mattresses provide all the support the human body needs in all the right places.

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In Washington the trumped vendors say well, has nothing to do with Tromp in Nepal, for it was a corrupt shady lobbyists. must have his crime happened? You know before anyone even thought of the Trump campaign and no one knew who Papadopoulos was on the campaign. I think Some of those claims are our fair, but at work, but this First of all, I think we can now dispel the notion that down empires are only the best people right and that one is that bet that that ship assailed and also even if this doesn't prove any collusion, and I don't think there they may still scope but they're gonna find the kind of collusion that people are looking for. I think this is more to do with sort of, our and de rate people trying to say

scam their way into the Trump campaign than anything else, but it does prove that a lot of people lied about there was no contact with Russia. There were no contacts with Russia don't know anything about Russia. There. Only nine people were ties to Russia now and it looks bad It certainly looks bad the people who wanted to look bad. The time tested rule in Washington. Is it's not the crime? It's the cover up and some of this stuff, our actual. For applicants sessions is gotta clean record about some of the things that he said and but the question remains: what does man of Fort now that he could you better get that he can trade. Would any these guys know that they can trade? It doesn't have to be about russian collusion. In metaphor, spend a lot of money on suits in food and he has three passports. The idea that you

to spend the rest of his life in jail or even a significant amount of time, and yet, when we know that the guy Why does not even have a soul of snow? an open like a peep out nothing but black teutonic ooze would pour out so The idea that he's gonna be loyal to tramp and take one for the team likened the Macdougall did for Clinton seems unlikely. So if he knows anything, it could be approved, If he doesn't know anything eating, you know, he's gonna, be ironing other men's underwear for awhile prison, Ryan and I'm not company. He knows anything and I kind of think his shady dealings on it. Campaign, and I don't doubt that there are there were such dealings. nobly had more to do with the enrichment of Paul man of work rather than colluding to help the Trump campaign absolutely there are so many people who at attach themselves to this campaign as Jonah, was suggesting even Cambridge analytical Yoke

bridge Annelida, not to say that they have done anything criminal, but they based they set out what we actually produce. These amazingly elaborate psychological profiles of every american voter and that's what led to the victory that now. Let me these are just a bunch of hucksters like if you think I mean first, ok, I'm going to name names, but who people who worked on this or that Version of the trunk campaign viscera that office that actually had no effect on this other office, who are people who are just really do vote extreme open borders, libertarians amid the most random people, there was no vetting of any kind. This was the most easily penetrated, quoting called campaign imaginable, the fact that they manage to this election was incredible statement about the vulnerability of Utrecht somebody of our different systems. So my thinking is our the people to find people who spoke to some

random Cypriot prefer wherever it is professor who claim Muldoon I'm a mob expert per day, and I know that you are just who claims to have some ties to like Vladimir Putin's, like twelfth cousin, and it did the Russians and even cross the road the best peace and others recently said the rush I believe they have a conspiratorial mindset, they believe the United States. Does to them and wages information operations in every other country. This was not bout ass. This was actually by showing the Chinese that we are capable of this kind of daring. Do I mean how much of this is actually flat out lies on the part of the rush. as well as on people who try to aggrandizing themselves on the term campaign. So my thinking is that you actually To have some kind of the act together. conspiracy at all. Any Mccarthy has made this case

in our forthcoming issue of national view. That look collusion is really bad. is not a crime. Conspiracy is a crime and when you're looking at this campaign, I don't even know if they actually could have conspired to do anything at all. It just seems like a bunch of pretty clueless people who were vulnerable to other pretty clueless people, and the thing is: maybe you can try to build a political case that this wound up being kind of unimpeachable offence on funding political grounds. You know, maybe that's what the end game is here, but beyond that I don't think you're going to be able to really for crime or stone. This kind of whole shadow land of euro you're, either pre outraged by this Not, but I'm not sure I was really gonna persuaded by the conspiratorial. Russian mindset was a story Jonah that George W Bush used to tell that that Putin gratulating at some point on firing Dan. Rather, you that's right here right assume the government must have done it truly really quickly any thoughts on this now. I think right hands right, but I think we still with

still in in Thrall to this post election should have a more offers desire to pin Hillary Clinton larsan anything other than had written in a democratic party, and that's why it's now unclear to me what exactly is being alleged. Obviously it would be a big deal politically, perhaps not criminally if Donald Trump had colluded with the Russians in order to effect the election in some way but when defining down what happened in a matter for even this news, which put him in a bad light and oversee Donald Trump should not have hired him. Doesn't come up to that level notice. This idea that the Russians took out Facebook ads and that somehow divided everybody. I find the story difficult to follow, because they're always push up to eleven immediately and not really dissected, sir,

I agree with my hand. I died is in the midst of a mass there's, also the problem that everyone wants to some smoking gun thing right. They want some dark. Some, you know some confession in front of a microphone oars and hearing, don't jump on the campaign trail openly called at a microphone in four at a rally openly call on Russia to hackler Britain's emails right. Joking, I know you're funny eavesdropping. There was at a press conference, but, as the Italian save some more serious things are said to us ass, an We know that he wanted Russia to do it, and we know that he got no problem with that. Then either in process that or you can't and the idea that it's going to be, you know some secret in it. It's it's! It's like it's like a kids cartoon. Were you that would lose. The Russians broke in, like Tom Arrows friend, flip the switch and won the election, no switch right and so their influence. We know their influence was withdrawn crazy? Is Russia It's been screwing with the United States of America like this for

hundred years and were only mad about it, because Hillary Clinton, not president? Not now I dont even get the case, because the case here is that the Russians managed to divide Americans and to push arguments that get them during an election so did happen, containing Donald Trump. That's the whole point of order. I just don't understand how I loved the sewing. Division thinks it can. I had a black lives matter page, so, isn't sewing divisions when this movement that was widely by everyone, one of most wonderful thing to happen in America, blacklist lives matter was indignant people were were us putting this but Ryan, quick Ex. A question At this juncture, you believe the Mahler probable end up being more, nothing burger, meaning, basically not touching Donald Trump or eventually a crisis of the regime. I think from a reaction to the Mueller probe could Stoka crisis, so I'm going to say zero

seven three things. I got a crisis, and now I think, it'll be nothing. But although I do grew, write him about is the big threat again, without being facetious. What this tells us is that Donald Trump does not have either good organizational skills or good judgment that Every time I read about portmanteau vague, if true, I have very high at that guy, so that that that to me is the bigger fall out. I don't think we're getting Watergate. Jennifer number crisis theirs The only way to crisis of the regime has had on Trump reacts to whatever they thought. I think it will be both nothing burger, anti crisis, on the collusion stuff, but I There are still some chance that there's shady business dealings, that out of constrained what trump, with saying or doing with Russia.

And mother or get onto that? And that's when the crisis of the regime comes vagina relative, a few wider things before we wrap up so stranger things to any good Besides, it's the second season, a stranger things which is this net. The very strange network show that actually does, I think, sunny bunch those monster, but sometimes he's right on popular culture. It wait do nostalgia correctly, which is actually have a story line and don't just do rehashed kitsch sense of it. Dickie parts of stranger things which takes place in the early nineteen eighties in all of mine buttons, you know of from done and dragons to video games and all arrest a cat The tone really really well by stealing stuff from from Spielberg from from X files, which actually comes

and I was really worried season. Two wasn't me bad because, first of all, young kids, turn into horrible actors when they go into puberty, and I was really were- these kids would be awful, but they manage to still be compelling and cute and funny- and am I found myself like Hector, My daughter, like we gotta, watch more and normally it's the other way around for these kinds of things. I think they have the added finish this using yet so could end horribly, but so far I think it's great is I have your favorite character, Jim they talk about this as at the sheriff guy. No Steve is the teenager. Only darted out as a bully and Yahoo wound up I watched most of the first season. I love the kids at the bikes for the same reasons you do, but you can't believe in the monster, sir. I just I I lost the suspension. I can suspend disbelief anymore and I stopped watching plus I hate seen the flashbacks to what happened at the poor little girl, but

Ryan? Maybe you have a more uplifting and entertainment there Is this really neat sitcom on ethics acts created by Simon, Rich, called man seeking woman, and I just learned that the show has not been renewed for a fourteen, but it's basically about this very issue, bigeye tuna. The sad sack complete Lee Miserable the show, begins when he has this awful break up with his girlfriend and it ends. Third season with him getting married to someone entirely different and the last season is completely schmaltz ii. It is really silly the whole show is totally absurd, but it's also one of the more beautiful than of pop culture. Little products that I've seen in love, I recommend to all now, like that the show is ended in the third season. It has a really neat arc and I and he gets will enjoy. You wouldn't think a show with on that network. With that many access in the title

of man seeking woman would be have arrived at a child. You might be the only one round the table who fixed stuff around the house. Why don't you like say like cats? dogs right, I used to have it m. Is my mother so I'm I'm into smart home stuff. I wrote a piece using about it a while ago, and my main aim is- is to be able to control everything in my house with my voice to the carriage door and the lights and simple, but I was disappointed because my Thermostat eyes is next thermostats that a wireless and so forth. You can to retrain them I was incompatible with the act star on their handler in my house, and I want this. He wasn't replace. They exist on their hind. Legs is incredibly expensive, so friend whose an engineer came over and together we rewired the air conditioner,

handler so that they worked with this this thermostat. It was a proprietor system and we we we changed it. Sir. That's probably the most fun. I've had in a very very long time, rewiring this a condition as those who listen to my dog's neck. I do think this is something that we have lost is a cult. so many of the items that we use on a daily basis are sealed. Your phone is sealed. Your computer is now sealed, is much more difficult to fix and build a computer and what used that the man's of tinkering toy, which was a car, those engines are sealed. Now to you pretty much can't fix your car. You can't open about it so I'm I'm sitting around, let the the hot it the heard about

So I'm searching around the house for things that are still open a bull and reliable and say that you consider the problem with this voice. Recognition when a run your home by your voice, that perhaps you ll run the same problem at home that you do with Starbucks, barristers that they rightly understand your voice. Because the answer I know a lot and up saying things like Alex, open the bonnet and and say what I didn't say. It seems to me that is almost a Tom Wolf normal here in Charlie's burning them. Are to be able to control, as he puts it, control everything in his home with his voice, my life as it should be with a man the house seem on a on a darker. No, I know that the neighbourhood, where this terror attacks and then Hatton happened really well and that this guy drove from housed in St Chamber street on a bike path is just, It's a really long distance and I've just been struck how in in this neighborhood it things a bounced back to normal, just a media.

which one on one hand. I think that a testament to the resiliency of near on the other hand, more depressingly. I think it's a sign people were it a little bit you. to terrorism or release used to contain masked carefully advances as we him and that's that's, a depressing thought. But let's get to our editors picks before we go Salaam. What's your pick, a meal Simpson wrote a brilliant piece about Iraq and the fact that Iraq right now is it a very dangerous crossroads where the country could really fly apart at the seams. This is one of the best form policy pieces. We run in some time, and I urge you to read it. Charley was your pic academical slovens piece on General Kelly and TIM Cain and the civil war in which he went through. Essentially, the arguments that we hear is too wide a civil war happened and whether we should weather

should write off the founding because it failed to deal with slavery, whether the founding made the civil war inevitable. I thought it was extremely well done. It was full of new wants and quite a deep understanding of american history, which has been largely missing from the debate, which has so many debates do, has become a chance for people to throw up at one another. Joseph, my pig is Kevin. Williamsons cover peace, NAFTA, defending NAFTA, it's nice to see. one on the right these days, defending free trade and sort of long overdue and cabinets just a kind of how to do it. My pick as you ve, all in all events, peace and the next issue which, whether more illuminating things I've read about Donald Trump. He makes a case that Trump, obviously is

constitutional list we're getting all these good judges cause. The federal societies is hard at work. These also not trampling our constitution, or violating that limits on his power? Instead, the probable trump, as he has as a constitutional understanding of what the presidency is, which basically the celebrity and chief and offices. All about just drawing attention to the occupant witches would have been a mine, blowing conception of the office for a founding There's really almost anyone for most of our history. Well, that's it for us Jonah thank you right hand. Thank you Charlie, thank you too Casper, mattresses and away travel and thanks most of all to all of you for listening. We the editors and we'll see you passed