What the hell what's going on with transport policy? Is the FBI biased? our asian Americans likeable we'll discuss all that and more on this week's edition of the editors, I'm rich Larry and I'm joint as always well to be honest, exe, namely rarely by the right. Honourable Charles see W Cook Luke Thompson, the smartest political consult, We know and are very special guest national view, senior editor best selling author of suicide or the West Jonah Goldberg, both than a toy yes, M, be Michael Brennan, Dorothy Anti after asset rye, hence

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it certainly didn't. Take too long to I change the presence mind. I spoke to some folks on the hill yesterday to find out if this phones were ringing off the hook, and it does seem like you know, the swing seat folks were working. Pressure, but most of the red districts even read districts that tend to be more Amnesty AG districts and things like that were telling They were getting nearly the kind of traffic that the media coverage would have suggested they might even getting so. This does. I do This was maybe an exaggerated fight within the seller corridor, although certainly the the images of children being separated from their parents and tugged at the heart strings, certainly tug mine and, I think, a lot of other peoples. The core issue here and where I think you know trump. Is maybe missing an opportunity to score some political points, which one always feels a bit bad sank, scoring political points you know using the human crack humanitarian crisis says as leverage bud

by political Khatami, but at issue here is whether not people are frustrated that folks crossing the? U S illegally or being incarcerated, or whether not people are frustrated by children being separated from their parents, and I think it's very much almost and thirdly, the ladder and that any proposal put Fourth, especially in the Senate, that fixed the situation unit meant for family incarceration, which is ideal and not necessarily practicable, because then you can have a lot of kids in facilities with adults. Would have essentially taken the the wind out of the popular protest at at this issue and would put the Democrats in a situation where your demo EC, senators, would have been filibustering, not against family separation, but in favour of catching released for anybody shows up the border with child and- and that was a political risk I think was worth taking for these

restoration, if there really committed to to using this as leverage to to get the wall and look there in for more than a penny. At this point they might see what go all the way and be in for a pound. Agenda. Even a few, some thousandth part, this policy allows more sympathetic than most clear is kind of classic. Trump administration implementation, because its speed to an impulsiveness of the guy at the top. Who sees the numbers at the border ticking back up again is really angry about it dresses down a sectoral Neil, at a cabinet meeting dressing, gown putting it mildly, basically destroys her and everything goes to this improvisational effort at the border that the rationale wasn't fully thought through the defences rhetorically weren't Floyd thought through actually implemented implementation itself. Wasn't fully thought through and if Trump is reversed himself it it appears to be

for instance, it may have been under pressure from Nielsen herself, where he's just not exactly in controls, is his own administration. Yet I think that's right. I guess I would start from questioning the prayer slightly in that you say, is classic trump. It seems to me that this is peak trump, This is a personal best, tromp rain. There's no such thing. There's no such thing established anything and last three us there's no such thing as peak it. Don't say that, but not that. Second, let me put it this way. This is the new baseline because open to correction here. Has there ever been a an administration where do you, major figures, including dueling cabinet. Secretaries. Take you know diametrically opposed different public position. Not not unlike thought, just pure philosophy philosophy other there was that, but on basic facts right me when George shouldering Casper Wine burger. Where are you

each other. They weren't saint one wasn't saying well, there's no such thing as an annex missile. If the other one thing, we have lots of exploiting- and you had one secretary bragging in the form of Jeff sessions. That this was our policy, that it was intended policy that this is what we want to do, what we need to do Jason Miller was backing that up, and then you have just Nielsen litter We taking a fence at the suggestion that it was up policy and meanwhile Donald Trump has been all over the place. Both thing you have to do it now. We don't have to do it. This isn't a scientist executive order, but also he doesn't want to do it of that, it's the Democrats making him do it in terms of messaging. I've never seen this. Kind of circular firing squad. My life following politics- and I think part of the problem is for life- is very ill served by his staff. The reports that.

They were showing him pictures of kids playing and having fun, and he really believed that this was all fake news about anything bad happening at the border, but also, I think, the sort of stygian serves. Did you of banning ISM in the White House. Leave these people to believe that any converse any here. This I've heard this from a bunch of people, the Greenwood, Fox and conversation about immigration, helps the Trump administration, and I think that is often true if it's about s thirteen border security, that kind of stuff. I think the draw wedges, you stuff, helps Trump and Republicans but views, but this was about key. AIDS and cut a different way. And I look at his word that a lot of the districts warrant lighting up the problem was that this was essentially either it Sixty forty or a forty sixty issue for Republicans divided up the Republican Party and united

Everybody else against the administration and against Republicans and when Laura Bush who's never set a controversial thing in her life It is essentially the dash words saint of low political engagement, suburban republican women comes out like this. I think it was. It was inevitable that they're gonna have to reverse themselves, so Charlie. I can't prove it, but my belief is based on conversations with. People in the industry, in her very focused on the issue of immigration, as is this decision was born of just desperation, to do something, to try to change the status quo and are just very constrain what they possibly can do in this. This is really it, but then that all sorts of other people, thought there ancillary Bennett session, saying that this aberrations itself was a deterrent Thinking that you could use a leverage against Democrats, but certainly was not a very coherent message. What that's one of them?

Problems is the lack of coherence, because you can make a case to say that this is the by product of stepping up enforcement and that really well. A lot of people were upset about that by product. The route argument that we are having here, whether we should enforce the border or not, I found myself in an opposition here, because. Although I normally agreed with the people who wanted to change the policy I hated almost all of them as a bit like When I speak to people that reason magazine which I love about say legalizing Heroin and any Zack. I would do this. I would press that button. They say I know it's the big civil rights issue of our time and you think why? No, it isn't

similarly with with United with gay marriage, which I've been in favour of it than you meet people, and they say one in favour of it, because I want to smash the patriarchy and destroy Christians. Devising not rob and this one you find yes, I think that we should try and find a way of keeping enforcement up at the border, while not separating children from their parents. And the people who are on your side say right, because we need to arrested. Ice agents and get rid of all border enforcement. Tromp is Hitler and that that is partly the full of progressives for going so far over the top ass to make any conversation impossible, but is also the fault of the Trump administration, Because they never explained this so asked Jonah suggested. On the one hand you have people say we did this because it set a stray voltage. It helps us politically many more people saying what we did this, because we wanted to create some sort of deterrent effect so that people didn't bring my kids for fear of

using them and then you had others saying will hold on a moment. If we enforce misdemeanours here, then you're going to have to separate them from their kids, which is the best argument, because in other contexts, when we enforce the law, we do separate the criminals from their children. But that argument was never made. I would have been still in favour of finding different way of doing it. But that argument was never made and when you see someone like Corey Lewandowski on the tv say, warmth lump when we're talking about a ten year old, with down syndrome being separated from them parents, you dear Lechner, guys a malicious Clara while right, but you do end up thinking or how malicious? How malevolent? How deliberate was this, and that was one of the big mistakes the Trump Administration made, after take a step back. We do have an insane policy at the border and the problem with the this policy as a detour,

and it might have been that the negative coverage of the monster richness of it would a filter down south of the border and discouraging. But the margins, but I think the average migrant, if you told them, you're gonna, with your ten year old kid, you're gonna be stopped your kid it's gonna, be taken briefly for three weeks into the care of the United States government and then handed over to your uncle and tooth and you're gonna go home. They say, ok, I'll, take that deal and one five that is, you have massive numbers of unaccompanied children being sent to our border alone separated from the parents, because they know, though they'll get in, and the problem this policy is. Is it wouldn't have really it? Wouldn't it didn't stop it the kids from getting in this kids were still gonna get in because of the floors sent degree can't hold them and because of this anti trafficking law that says you can't turn them around. The way would mexican cares and to send them back over the border but of course, very few people.

You know that because the administration made zero attempt to explain it, but I do think it's telling that peace that you did rich about what's going on the border that may be one of those traffic pieces we ve had in years right and it's in and not in love. Finally, your handsome annual lambda about you know: I've been ass. It grew was well done, peace It was also all alone out there. Trying to make an actual coherent argument about what the policy was in the white. House gave nothing. That kind of argument, in fact, which contradict that a lot of stuff that was in their minutes. It was the one of the great. Examples of of Johnson stepping in american political life. So little but where do you rate does in the history of Johnson stepping out in politics? I think that

this one's actually I'll take a sort of contraband virtual view and say this is all just gonna come to pass over because, like everything passes, are not just has everything passes over, but because we still have pretty solid fundamentals going on again, I sound like a broken record here, but with with foreign policy and the economy, we still have pretty salt and was going and If the greek crisis been solved, yes right, exactly nothing to fear, but the? I think that the biggest thing is that if the administration starts deals narrowly with, family reunification or just not separation in the first place. That's gonna take this. The wind out of democratic sales. On this that's gonna, alleviate alot of the media hysteria, and you know this will just another June story. Might you know I think, back to the between fourteen mid terms and There were stories in the summer that began to metastasize into things that were real challenges. For Democrats, I think Ebola was probably the biggest one, but that was one where you had a tangible, at least perceived by voters. Attend

a threat to their their well being sort of farming, overseas and then coming overtook to you. At short, this doesn't feel like this. This is this is a moral outrage in the eyes of the people pushing the narrative, but it's not something were any one feels like their security is at risk because of what the administration is doing so check ex, a question to you on this one. Three mm from now Congress will have passed legislation that makes it possible for the Trump Administration to hold and was together at the border and then deport them, yes or no. No, because they don't want to hand anyone on the republican side, the most prominent, probably of which is tat crews. Anything approximating a victory

absolutely farcical. Yesterday, when Chuck Summa came out and said, we dont want to pass a law on this. That's nearest the president's job with which we want to keep the focus on Trump and was possible for two reasons. Firstly, because that is his job, but secondly, because the automobile. Time has been moving towards the idea that this, with some sort of outwits being held on the border, is right. It is an outrage you you don't say: no, we don't think it's our responsibility to answer. I hope Hitler reforms you invade and that's what that they they did so. Leaving aside the constitutional question, just pull Equally chuck shimmer took a lot of the wind out of the sails there, but he did it because they believe that they have a chance in Texas and elsewhere and Peter broke is running around saying this is terrible. We will fix it, we will fix it and

I don't want a hand, tat crews, the chance to say I helped to fix this, so they will take their victory. They will say we managed to get em president trumped to back down, and then they will move on to something else has to do. Anything else would be to share in the trial, so Luke will be legislation. Yes enough, no I think shimmers now realise that he products to step back from the ledge here. At the same time, I'm sure he's been inundated with calls from the from this increasingly radicalized left wing of his party that wants to abolish ice and eliminate border enforcement, and end knows the stirring that up in this There is one thing to drive donations, but stirring them up closer to them and they re serious backlash from even members of his own.

Johnny? Yes or no and you're sitting? In there I hand charity can contest this exit question you can ask for it to be repeated nuance at all sorts away. I found a friend, I repeat the question of the new ones, exactly right, so three months from now. There will be. Legislation that will make it possible for the Trump Administration to hold central american migrant families at the border together and then deport them. Yet now No, no, no point. Nothing, no point through a lamp enraged. Yeah. The correct answer is obviously no in the rue de this controversy, is not about separating families. No, no one really wants to separate families. It's about whether we're going to enforce our immigration laws or not and stop these migrants from coming and Democrats want them to keep coming and I can do anything to make it easier for the Trump administration to stop them from coming

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like our own anti Mccarthy, like wait a minute, you got these Peter struck tax, which show clear bias and com decision. If you read between the lines in this report, clearly was was acting on a political time table and acting in keep with the clear and direction and preference coming from the top Barack Obama, which is that Hillary Clinton not be prosecuted what you make of it, Yes- and he persuaded me a long time ago about the fixed being in on the Clinton investigation. It just seems as a matter of dust Pure logic about how that unfolded, the excuse. That remains the fact that you mean on the way there. Witnesses were handled and once more in the questions they weren't asked and bought a law that that the fix was in. I've always been persuaded about that, and I am less persuaded that

This all fundamentally undermines the Mahler Investigation and A part of the problem is that that everybody is trying to use. Not everybody been almost everybody is. They want to drive a both ways. They go in and out of invoking court of law. Standards when convenient for them, and then they say well now this is actually these are political considerations or national security instigation and not a criminal investigation Wendell. Standards more beneficial to them. It is obvious that Peter struck had it in four Donald Trump and was covering for Hitler Glenn, although I do want us, I won't say that- want to stipulate that he's in trouble. He deserves to be in trouble, but can we least acknowledged here among men? That's sometimes dunes, say stupid, boastful crap, women to impress them

that young people that Peter struck might have Ex did we will stop him too this woman, at least a little bit kind of bravado, because he was having an affair with her and was trying to be super manly, saying he should have known better announcing. It does reveal real biased, but this there is a tendency out there, including on Capitol Hill, to take each of these texts in proved their part of some sort of you know Hydra, like secret society that was bound to take down the government when may be outcomes. Razor dictates. That was more of a jack ass, saying, Jack, assay things. Moreover, annual, say one thing to actual: we recorded the Mccarthy report and talked about this extensively. He'll say I threw that term and it has rejoinder as ok yeah maybe, but this isn't just like

girlfriend sitting in the couch watching daytime tv she's a high level high lohala hypnotized show herself no agree where the coveted by having this thing center. I regret I set it most. Ten or fifteen percent of this cover is covered by that right. This sort of accepting some of the exaggeration. At the same time, look we can have a big debate about, but what, if any bias or guilt mark firm and had it doesn't change the fact that Oj Simpson murdered his wife and there isn't as as of right now, there's no evidence that I've seen the bitter struggle. Manufactured or fabricated evidence that he suborned perjury that he may things up He may have made decisions the leap into an investigation that evidenced in necessarily support but I've seen no evidence that the refrain job as Rudy Giuliani would put it, and I see no evidence that says that justifies We lost the Miller Brown before it did see this to a logical conclusion, Sir Charles

you someone obviously suspicious of governmental power. What what your thoughts upon reading this account. The FBI's action and the latest struck test the text, which is that we we will stop him. Why I never want to hear ever again about how the FBI's great institution, american life into cost any aspersions whatsoever is to undermine faith in our institutions and our constitutional order into Impugn James combing standing in those fields- and I were for some reason, who has been indifferent towards the SBA worse slightly suspicious. At best I do agree with. Joan Identities- undermine Samir Investigation for say I do think that it is going to make whatever the f B. I doesn't this second stance. Much more difficult for a lot of people to swallow and an hour explain why. I suppose that the federal gum

were charged with investigating the matter of a young black man. Perhaps it would be a civil rights case. And it came out that some of the agents investigating the case Harvard racial Animas in general, perhaps towards this particular person or toward his in the end, our text that went back and forth, maybe one of them use the inward? Maybe another ones suggested that one of the agents would try to alter the outcome of the case. And then you got a car on on CNN? That said, all that happened, but the official report said that there was no, major bias in case it shouldn't be taken that way? How many people do you think would accept that? I think they would not

They would be quite right in saying well that has tainted the investigation and its tainted the process, which is, of course, why you want extremely high standards in institutions, and it just seems to me that those don't This within the F b I, or at least they didn't exist here, and although I am not going to dismiss whatever the FBI comes out within, although in no way means that Donald Trump is innocent, proxies guilty is how It does mean that the criticisms that have been levelled at that institution have something to them and in other circumstances, I think we would see that more clearly than we do. Look what you make other port and why, in your view, is James Commie, constantly tweet out photos of himself standing on highways and in fields and I I'm not going to try to get inside James Commies head. I will only say that you know having read Reinhold neighbour

America a couple of times and always sort of wondered. If I was missing the point James Coming has ratified. To me that I did not miss the portmanteau. Just really wasn't much there not look. I bureaucrats defend bureaucrats, that's not surprising right. Large bureaucracies will essentially lie to the public to cover themselves. That's not surprising, None of that should be surprising, nor should sort of partisan opportunism be particularly surprising. What I worry about coming out of this is the following: your bread per scales, called for the president to fire sessions and shut animal approach. That is a terrible idea, an absolutely terrible idea, our approach is losing legitimacy in the popular imagination. If you look at its pulling its losing five or six points in favour, guilty every month it's going down and if your opponent is, and if you

you, the mother probe as the White House, his opponent, which I'm not saying that it is. I accept argued on this podcast that it does some good things for the Trump administration by sort of locating the Russia question in one specific place, within the bureaucracy or within the government. Broadly speaking, but- as the mother, probable loses support in the public over time stay out of its way. Just let it continue to this sort of sap legitimacy, and as long as the report doesn't have the goods on you, then there is no risk having the probe continuing continuing continue, because it will increasingly become something sort of favor they disposed to. It will flow upside down the other way and the senses don't take action against a violent, yet you have really doing. Cable has everyday against it, and I want to get have really doing. Cable hits about anything personally, but that's that's me, but still publication S, it are now sure sure he eyed. I dont think I dont think rubies the best of the best messenger, really much of anything, but I do think that it's it's worth having a proxy should it should his job aid standing outside a cardio ship throwing footballs. Where he's

older gentlemen. I wouldn't want to see him. You know just like your shoulder or something like that, throw football, but I would say that you know it's. It's fine to have people go on and say it's been long enough. It's been long enough. What's taking so long if there was all this collusion wise, it's taken five hundred days defined at her, however much I think that's good messaging to push, but the idea of taking rash action in response to this idea. Report is just yet feel great temporarily, and then it will create political blow back. I think the White House does not recur to manage so exit question on this one going to you. First Jonah Goldberg rate Deep will damage to the more probe from the Gee report from zero, meaning it's not even a flesh wound to ten a torpedo in the bow other Malaprop zero to ten decimal points are permitted, but nostril sir, while she I resent having to follow the rye hon model. I would, I think, if I'm gonna have my own per I hear and not just simply a substitute I should go. I don't know, maybe data estate

There are serious, Dagon, you're, gonna, say, I want to say about the melting clock or a crying sheep. No I'll say it said to do you you're, the ten. Why in reality, it's about a too, but I think that it is given an trumps defenders. And in some ways, quite rightly enough to hang their scepticism on and therefore in terms of perception, probably a five Luke. I think any damage creative, so this is certainly the biggest blowitz taken, but in and of itself it's not that huge side Prego the two as well. We go little higher than the two. I think it's it's a blow. It's not an knock out. Punch but it's another element of the case against it, sir. I agree I believe that three or four or before I move on. Let me tell you a little bit about an hour plus new premium service at National review, dot com.

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and it seems as though asian american applicants have the highest essay T scores the best academic index, which is combination of their eyes. Performers, and there s a t score. Our prodigious in terms of their participation in extracurricular activities. The one area where somehow mysteriously they fall down is on a totally subjective, a personal rating, even though it is an american applicants when they actually meet without with alumni indue interviews, the alarmed I like them and rate them highly, but Harvard somehow figures out through looking at these applications in school. In just the right way that Asian Americans do not have leadership qualities; they do not have positive personalities and this together with just a frank demographic balancing as well, has kept the asian american composition at Harvard

The student body around seventeen percent picked up a little bit lately, but around seventeen percent. What to make of it? Well, I think it's inevitable I'm vehemently against affirmative action, identical need to rehearse those arguments for any view, for any of our listeners, but that this is what happens when you take control, and you start

social engineering, this quote this attributed to Thomas Jefferson. He didn't actually say it, but in our government, big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything away its fate, but that the point it makes. This is quite a good one, and I think here it's it's appropriate if you start engineering the outcome, if you start social engineering institutions, then how that is done eventually comes up for debate and clearly the attempt to sir racially engineer. Colleges is having some weird consequences minute. The the idea behind affirmative action is a fine one, but it is also one that is is rooted in a very specific and very real american historical injustice, and that is

the systematic oppression of african Americans, both during slavery and then during Jim Crow and somewhat save, and even beyond that. The problem that we are facing now is that we don't live in quite the same world, and so the instinct is being applied at the expense, not just of the people who were guilty of original sin, but of others to Anne and more than that we extend our legal remedies Fourteenth Amendment civil rights be on their original Tom it, and so we are now seeing a lawsuits brought by other groups, groups involved in the original fight. In this case, Asian Americans,

it means that we now having a public, not just a private argument over this sort of behaviour, which means it seeped into our politics, which means it's gonna seep into our courts. Seep into our presidential elections, and it's gonna make our identity. Politics was. I think this is what what happens When you start playing games, along racial lines. It's why, for example, Clarence Thomas thinks that we should see affirmative action asked initial discrimination in this, in category asked the sort of pernicious discrimination it was established to remedy, because you can't do this without causing all sorts of ways consequences and, ultimately, excluding people who were never involved in the first place, and we hear a lot at the moment about America changing the browning of America, american diversity, it's not the same as it was seventy years ago, while that's true

and this is a great example of it, and yet we hold on to policies that were built for the different time to fix a different problem, and then we are surprised that they and unfairly target people at the margins. Said Jenna, obviously feel free to bounce off that also it an analogy. A lot of people made it made it. My child is a this is like a demon Jews kind of unclear bubble in any nineteen. Twenty is the composition of jewish composition at Harvard and other ivy League schools at bounced. So Harvard adopted a quote holistic approach like they have today and just sort of magically found that Jews couldn't be more than twenty percent of student body yeah so offers all this a little awkward for me, because I'm literally taking the spot of a more qualified asian who went to Harvard Ass, I had so so

yeah. The analogy I used to work for a guy named Ben Wallenberg, who to say he was against quotas when they kept blacks genes and Jews out of the Ivy League unease against quotas when they keep whites, Asians and Jews at the Ivy League emerges Agri into our totally with, which rightly says I have, and maybe meaning to write about this, but I, have to read more about it, and maybe someone else's made this point, but I sneaking suspicion. What is really going on here, at least in part- maybe not entirely- I dont that the administrators are necessarily horrified by over representation of Asians. Although I do think that they are horrified by underrepresentation, blacks, right or Hispanics, but I suspect, and I would love to find some data. Maybe someone has it. I suspect that one of the reasons why they don't want, too many Asians is that in order to be disproportionately interested in science and engineering to follow a stereotype, they're gonna, be,

proportionately either. Immigrant cells or the children of immigrants and and they're gonna wanna take stem classes and it is a dangerous threat to thee Nope Anti Bellum, lesbian poetry, teacher and all of the identity politics seizures. The women studies, teachers, the black history teachers, those kids aren't interested in that stuff and the more you bring in customers? You dont want to buy that crap the threatening it is to the people who still hold moral sway in Faculty meetings and administrative meanings. Yoda woke crowd give Heyward or Phronsie Heyward when he was the heavy serve it of chair or the cheering sort of studies bolder here the conclusion that one of the biggest drivers of a lot of the sort of feminist Then he politics type controversies on Canada. Campus were the fact

many of the women studies departments, because no one wants to take those classes, and so do you have to do. Is you actually have to heighten the contradictions and create a kind of panic atmosphere? is to make normal kids interesting stuff. That is gonna be of no use to them once they graduate accept pursue a Phd in women studies, and so I have to believe. That is a little bit of a feedback loop. That says you know We got no Asians taken these classes. These are, the kind of students, that's what they mean by a bad personality, at least in part, but my theory salute are any thing to be said. For ethnic balancing of the student bodies at least elite schools But let me let me leading by saying I am more than happy to say that Harvard Socks medicine as somebody who went to the others, the other school to the south, I taught I taught at Yale for five or six years. You know I've in in the humanities and socially

answers, and I will say that I think that really what this is about is it's not about ethnic balancing per se, it's about the extent to which meritocracy was always a myth. It was never really believed by the admissions sort of offices of Ivy League schools and in fact they don't Lee, if they're being honest with themselves, view their mission as one of the propagation of knowledge in the the improvement in time, but rather the recreation of a very specific social class and the reason you see this of racial skewing in admissions. A little to do with intellectual or cultural or personality traits and a whole lot more to do with a group of people who are self consciously the gatekeepers social class deciding what that social classes gonna look like and as someone who benefited immensely to go to my point also, who might be willing to join the ranks of that social class way at every

everybody who goes to one of these schools is pretty willing to join it because, ultimately, they there the very fact of factories and manufacturing so you can come in. However, you like, but they're gonna put you out a certain way and- and I mean as somebody's benefited tremendously from having you know a yell graduate decree, let alone Yo College degree like It's a really really really. You know potent its potent stuff. So. I think that what we are seeing is maritime He was never real, they never met it, and this is just a particularly egregious hypocritical example of the way that language is used to justify playing favorites and doing exactly the exactly what Charlie says, which is social engineering, but I would just say these institutions exist to engage in social engineering, so the idea of like open pipelines, it don't don't take the merit, the meritocracy, Language seriously, because it was never intended to be serious petroleum, a question to you the asian american composition of cow tax, about forty percent MIT

then about twenty six percent for a while, it's bumped up to thirty under pressure. Do you five years from now that the asian american percentage of student body at Harvard will be above or below three percent. I think it will. And I have a slightly autumnal prediction here, which is, I think this this incident and an ongoing problem that it stems from is, is going to make are racial politics and an identity. Politics works because eventually people will realise the bacon vote to change that and when they do you're gonna get some extremely odd coalitions. Five years from now look above or below thirty percent higher than does now, I don't think I'll hit three Jonah, I think that's right. I agree that, yes, I think maybe the under pressure to get it up to about twenty five percent and there they are, pressure in the nineties under Witherspoon the Justice Department or from some one,

and there was a discernible uptake that they, went down again and a cabinet seventeenth, and they ve already has already gone back up a little bit now think about it'll, be about twenty five percent for the duration. Let's have some other things before we have to run Luke. You have been reading the last bust wisdom This is the great western writer dogs last book it's a sort of its large book, but it's a whimsical kind of road. It is about a ten year old character. Huta stand in for a young dog himself who leaves money and it goes to Wisconsin on a greyhound bus winds up encountering a wide variety of of odd creatures, and so it sort of and characters it's a sort of hybrid of of what you're used to reading. If you're used to reading some dogs earlier works with a kind of huckleberry, thin style take on both the the language of the west and also the exotic characters they might run into if you're on a greyhound bus. Nineteen fifty

the journey or taken by Chris Pats Pratt Speech, should the MTV words, yeah, endeared french as a good piece of work, I could have used as my respect, but I'm not going to, but he does have a really good piece up. Liking it for many. The same reasons I do David comes from a more in a devout christian perspective one thing I just loved about it was that for the poor people, who don't You can find a variously just Google Chris Pratt, MTV and I'll come up. Every year, every five minutes. Like it. Every word show you Someone like Robert Deniro say exactly what the audience wants to hear, being hailed for his courage and bravery and doing it and Christine I often say on college campuses. If you want to be brave, don't you know, join black lives matter, Sayer, quite Jim prayer before eating in the cafeteria

worth foremost Christian study Group and Chris Brad gave a very genuine, very open a funny little scan illogical case for for faith in general and for his own faith in particular that was very endearing. I thought it was a little telling that you have to wait. Until you ve already been in a couple of major marvel blockbusters and to do it, but It was a really positive sign and the culture in their so many negative dynamic alter. It was really nice thing to say: so he's after Chris Brad, yeah yeah. I got that Chris product. That respect is the leader of a girl. You got into the galaxy he was in. The vendors affinity, worry was on parks and rep recreation and really fantastic role, and he is the guy the draft park reboot so got a major arms at a galaxy. It is one that has the reckoning. Yeah yeah he's not the record I've voicing the trailers. I've always been annoyed by his good yachts, great when the

once really great, the second one, but a scandalous such I'll. Even following England, in the World CUP, I have before anyone gets to erase America didn't qualified this. Yes, it is no even question here for us but loyalties. There who had been a lot of outrage rounds tale. I can say Jos Nationalism was come out and I was going to ask the equivalent of whose Chris Pratt about the World CUP. This is a unique moment. English people, because I like as I wish to welcome for the sucker, but I also watch it through my hands as if I'm watching a horror movie just waiting, not just for England to mess up, which of course, I always do somebody on the team to create the next iconic moment of failure that will be over and over again on English TV with oasis- is stop crying your heart out behind it and possibly ended up in a work as Chris Commercial which, as you know

the culture I grew up in I'm in when I was very that's what it was: pull gas going crying at the nineteen ninety World CUP, and then it was Gareth Southgate missing the penalty against Germany in nineteen. Ninety six and David back being sent off in two thousand and two and in the first game the bull going through the fingertips. Goalkeeper should have known better in two thousand and ten, people just wait. I should have known better than my guts. I mean he, it was a bullet was passed back in about six miles an hour and somehow Letty areas fingertips into the girl. But of course everyone I watching it were set up, that we gave that sir that's what Glenn Day they managed to win yesterday on Monday. Perhaps, but I've been in joining and dreading it in an equal measure. You know, I think, I'm maybe understand a little bit more. The appeal of Sakharov Thinking about this falling lay offs washing of hockey

you enjoy. Even when nothing happens, you joy same place, develop and how they didn't dont develop and how that defence stops them. Developing, so I have no sense for that and soccer, but I imagine soccer fan does yeah yeah it take. I think some of it is just culture. I I think I mean it's something I did with my dad I find it very difficult to evaluate soccer a lot of the american objections to soccer that I hear I agree with. I can see that it, it would annoy people who are more rules bound the disease. Since can often be arbitrary and the way they use video replay it's random and the amount of time they attack on the make up, and in our view, you still watching american football. That's very, very different culture, but but I do you caught, you can't shake the fact that they are used to go to the games when you have sex with

dad. I just like the way you said I watched the World CUP because I like football, and had this vague feeling like you know, I read playboy because I pictures of naked women like. Why else would you and watched it anyway? So I just want to mention. The phenomenon of hyper assimilation is actually runs counter from pretty much everything we just heard from Charlie try treated this just a week or so ago, an annoyance at the ESPN baseball broadcasts and how often they have interstitial items and statistics popping up and random interviews during the game and truly said, but has a rhythm to it. You get it from the crowd noise from the pitching from the announcers from the Iraq, from the reactions from the dugout, theirs and music to it spoken perfect. Xo Charlie had been in a man It has since about five years old, listening to games, honest transistor,

a radio. This is another instance of Charlie is awesome powers of assimilation. I predict Jonah that within a year or two Charlie will actually be able to say the word aluminum. What do you think now. I hope not I mean it's gonna most charming things about them is the strange dialect needs with some of the flavor. Ok, let's its typewriters piglets note those before we and this epoch, Podcast Luke. What's your letters back so I'm gonna go with the blog peace by J J Mccullough,

arguing, a sort of full through what I like to see as a full, throated defence of the policies of James Cape Hulk, namely that Canada should be fully assimilated in the United States armed. I yet saw that he makes a compelling argument that the that kind of tit for tat mutual recriminations going on between Trudeau and and the President are really counterproductive and and run against the obvious and manifest interests of both both countries, and that we would do well to recognise that we're about as well matched and close together as any two countries could possibly be and as the larger of the two parties. I think we can look past Canada's rather silly self. Understanding in as an antidote to America. So where do you rate pokers present? How much credit do given very getting his agenda done? What term? While I should tell everyone that that, on my other put on my podcast with Jake, how?

We ve actually just been recording a series of ratings. The presidency and pulp comes out pretty highly he's. He does pretty. Well all things considered tunnel. What's your pick, this might sound incredibly self serving, but enough, it is, but it's also for the heartfelt it's from the next coming issue after a long hiatus. I am finally back in the pages of next month after a lot of hectoring from rich about you know look down and start running for Magdalena enemy. My pick by that'd be to Troy. Why did note that when you introduce me, you didn't mention my vastly larger podcast than in others But now it's good to be back ready for the magazine and hope to do a lot more Charley was your PIC Douglas Murray on the southern poverty low centre, which is exactly how you would imagine it would be an he makes. The key point us aside from the specifics and on the hook, just recent pay

out the southern poverty Lore centre, in his view, suffers from the same problem. Ass. So many organizations do in that it one it was set up to fight the k, K, K, which is admirable, and it wants and then it didn't go away. Organizations tend not to go away because by the time they win, they have donors and they have staff and they have a reputation and they enjoy the adrenaline russian. So quite quickly, it moved into finding tangential connections, tab, racism or exclusion and really to levelling people who do not belong in any sense. In the same breath as the cake, I can tat S. My outlines this very well. My pig is Nick ever stance, his colleague of Jonas, at a I, his big

peace in the new issue about Kim Jong on and what he really wants. As far as I am sure, no one knows more about this hideous. Gangster regime, then Nick outburst add- and this is a peace that is very compelling and bristles with insights, That's it for us. You ve been listening to a national view, podcast any red broadcast retransmission on account of this game. Without the express written permission of natural, you magazine strictly forbidden and yes if you're out there listening ramps alarm, I am looking at you. This podcast has been produced by the incomparable Sarah shitty. Thank you, Charlie. Thank you, Luke. Thank you Jonah, please God. If you haven't already his best selling book suicide or the West and his podcast the remnant. Thank you, texture and assessed. My thanks to all of you for listening. We are the editors and we'll see you,