November 12th, 1988. Hockessin, Delaware. Charles Cohen brutally attacked both his parents, then repeatedly stabbed them to ensure they were dead. Charles didn’t snap in a fit of rage. He carefully planned out exactly how he would murder his parents. But his crimes didn't end with the murders of his parents...
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So with that tonight's case there is another
sad one about a mother
father who are brutally
Would say that the perpetrator
would be shocking, but
you're all listening to this podcast. So I don't think there is much that shocking any more. But with that, what are we talking about tonight tonight?
we are talking about the murders of doktor
Martin Cohen and his wife, Ethel Cohen. This took place
in Hokosa Delaware November. Twelfth nineteen, eighty eight
background, Doktor, Martin Cohen, he was
other of one Charles
our Cohen, and he
of his family. He also worked at a hospital,
as a psychiatrist. This was
Delaware State Hospital, and it was said that he worked hard to make it a better place for patients. His wife at all around
generally was a Broadway actress way back when from Chicago
She also worked as a: U S, army, instrumental mechanic back then, and then
later in occupational, therapist and time of it
parents. She was the one that you say maybe
voted on her son more
simply. He was a man.
Boys, they call it, but she felt
Charles, could do no wrong and was very pretty
so Martin met his wife when they were
looking at the Mental Health Institute in Jacksonville Illinois, so they spent about
five years in Illinois, beef,
They moved to. Delaware
another son. He liked play tennis. He attended gales, bark high school
was considered a very good student, but
some time later in his teens he
acting out acting up. He became the class clown
and you know if you read up on this case- probably the most part
long story about him is that he would walk into a fast food joint and
a seizure, so course people, russia-
but to help him and
m, tease are called, but then he would jump up and say
never mind he gradual
made it in nineteen. Eighty two,
enlisted in the Marines but dropped out after a few weeks he had been caught with drugs,
Now his dream was to be in a band
T certainly gave it ago me joined a bad name, bourbon and clorox, but yeah. I think he didn't quite fit in well with
there's an damn he's, probably difficult to work with, but I dont think it's easy for me.
To be in bans. Would you say, Justin
now. There's always artistic
differences and what not end a band called bird.
in Clorox, I dont, know what they're topic
Their subject matter would be, but
assume that they wouldn't take themselves that seriously yet it said
most of his lyrics were about a
strange man following them around with a gun, so little darker
compared to the sort of
ridiculous of the name of the band. He tried dating eyes,
try because he did have a relationship with a girl that went on for a short while, but she was afraid of him and she broke up with them
Now, according to people in the no Charles
was kind of depressed and also begin
and having violent and sexual fantasies, and he developed a bit
eating disorder and began using drugs again
so whether drugs that he liked to take was lsd.
Apparently took it many times between one thousand nine hundred and eighty four and one thousand nine hundred and eighty six
about this time at those,
nor sixties and she's not doing that well, her health has declined,
she had no problems. Arthritis. She had walked
Cain and she had high blood pressure. Her husband, Doktor Martin developed colon cancer
So this is a rough time for any family. When you know both your pay,
and sir having
this use and your probable.
As a child. Maybe
getting the attention you're used to and your struggling with drugs and dropping out of the military.
There is a lot going on here, but
teen. Eighty eight Martin has
father was offered a job as the director in the Delaware State Hospital.
and it's the largest mental health facility in in that state,
this is going to put some stress on the family too.
and I'm sure that
the Sun Charles having to uproot as life and leave all
friends didn't help much so other things about this hospital was they had multiple directors in there
a few years and so the great thing about doc,
Martin Cohen, was that he promised the staff that
he would stay until we actually retired, so they expected him
be there awhile. He was
fifty eight years old. So that was that was totally
isabel. As long as ever
went well with his health, etc. He was there
seven months he was
helping them with all
of somebody. One of their issues was their public reputation and you can imagine with all these directors going in and out that probably didn't help things theirs
they like having a good, capable person, writing the ship right and knew it
think that somebody that works as a doctor and a director add a mental health facility,
would have a good girl
aspen knowledge on
a letter and need or people that her and having a mental health crisis
But it seems that sometimes you might have your blinders onto the ones closest to you. Charlie
was enrolled as an art student at the University of Delaware and what we
how about his
she could say happiness level. Having moved from Illinois to Delaware is bad
on a letter that he wrote to a friend and in the law
He wrote my father and especially my mother would need my help in Delaware and so sad,
facing my own happiness for them. I moved to Delaware,
about you just in there, but it certainly sounds like he didn't want to go by
felt like he had two and he's not happy about going there,
because of the I guess healthy
is that his parents are having and
the boy him not being able to really take care himself. He's gonna go under dollar, so he gets a job
at a gas station and he
meet some new friends and he's
able to start a new band
One is John Hinkley, kids and I'm sure
people know that is, but if you don't John Hinkley,
was the man who attempted to assassinate President Ronald Reagan, what a name of a band so
November, twelve nineteen. Eighty eight. This is
the day in question. Just in there was a
regular day for the family as both of his power,
we were awake that evening. It was around eight or nine.
P M: they were
watching tv downstairs. Now
the house is set up, his parents, pretty much lived downstairs and the upstairs belongs to Charles their son.
Charles will end up
calling down to his dad and telling
to come upstairs, so he could show his latest artwork. So Martin goes upstairs
and goes in and looks
to the artwork and when his back is turned Cha
girls takes a ten pound metal dumbo,
and smashes his father in the back of the head, strikes him repeatedly
and will fall down to his knees, but he said
conscious and you end up trying to fight Charles off but Charlie
is going to continue beating him once
Martin is pretty much
capacity did Charles stabs him with a pocket
I've just to make sure he was dead. Now he stamped his dad all
over. He sat in the chest the neck, the thigh that back in the stomach
and they believe that, even though he was fairly incapacitated that he attempted to triumph and often
because there were a few defensive wounds on his hands. Now it's at this point,
that Charles comes back out
the stairs and calls out for his mother- and he says, mom dad, fell down, come up and look quick and so Ethel
who has bad knees and is not in the greatest health she runs upstairs
she finds her husband laying their at that
she's turning around to face Charles right. When he's swinging
the dumb bowed to her and he beat
her with that dumb and she
to defend herself, but she can do
anything to a young guy, like Charles with a ten pound dumbbell, think anyone really could for that matter. Butter
there. She fell down. He used the night
to finish her off too,
He had taken the the portable cordless phone up
with her tissues intending to call for help for her husband, but
You didn't get a chance.
Charles was afraid that,
it made so much noise.
and commotion that he looked out.
To his neighbors houses, to see if any of them were look
at him or calling the police in he way
to see if the police were gonna, show up and then, when he decided
Everything was safe. He brow
sacked the house.
did any money and jewellery or valuables that he could find he made no effort.
Clean up the crime scene now,
stolen what five to seven hundred dollars from his parents and his next stop now taking one of their cars was to go by cocaine,
but apparently he was unhappy with the amount that he was being offered. So he went with his dealer too,
ask your Pennsylvania so that Charles
could acquire more drugs. But what happened when you went to go, get more drugs Justin well.
when you shop to your drug dealer with more money than they have drugs and in demand
that they find more drugs for you, sometimes
drug dealer is gonna take advantage. So they re
Charles at gunpoint and take his money. I'm travel
how bad form him right. Yeah! Ok,
that original deal went bad but
Charles, really wanted more cocaine, so here
that driving back to Delaware,
to drop, is drug dealer off
now the one I had gone with them, and then he went back to China
sir by himself.
He met another dealer there who did get him to the drugs you wanted. They went to focus in and park behind the post office.
so he tells this dealer to wait in the car any
saying you know I've got to vehicles
to sell one of them and if we can
and do that then I'll give you half the money from the sale, so
he's planning to sell the families Nissan and he's going to drive the Ford L Tv, so this other drugs
color is driving the Nissan, but he just takes off in it
So now he doesn't have the second car. So he got
twice now once when he was trying to buy cocaine and
can time when the other drugs.
Took off with his family's car, got it life and
ass line right. Yes,
he's some he's commit
two murders he's bought drugs
ay doesn't really have much to show for all this because
We have a originally had the five to seven hundred dollars wherever that was, but he didn't get any credit
or anything like that, so he
is very limited funds he murdered as parents.
Ali got was a car in a few hundred dollars. That's how
much value he placed on his parents lives. Why think? That's just it, I think,
it was just about murdering them. I don't think he did it for profit. I think that was
after thought. It was like that, let's see what's around Martin, like I said, Patty
but on Monday November fourteenth, he didn't show up for work and
because he had been so reliable, they took this to mean someone
go and check on him so two of his
coworkers decided to head to his home that afternoon and while they knocked they
even ended up calling the real ter who rented this home to the Cohen's, that's who let them in and that's when Marty,
and at those bodies were discovered, so the
These are brought in of course, and when
got to the scene. They started
around. They couldn't find Doktor Martin,
or Ethel's son and the family vehicles were both gone
so they didn't know what was happening here. They had no idea. You're gonna keep tabs on
Charles cuz, they don't know if he's a victim or suspected this point by
Everyone has a
teen or a schedule they stick to.
They're waiting to see if Charles shows up for his classes the following week and of course he doesn't and die
After looking through the crime scene, finding
there was no forced entry and that the entire-
attack happened upstairs and Charles's Penal LAW
Charles is bedroom were in his bedroom with a
bell from within the house that who knows if they had the floor,
your prince off, that dumb bell, but I'm pretty sure they did because at this point the police put
Were Charles and the Black Ford L tv
and they knew which car he was an because
the new sound was found November, fifteenth so that
The day later, this was
all coming together rather quickly
and here's another thing that have
and while his parents there was a few,
girl New York.
There is a memorial service on November. Twenty first Charles was not in attendance, so
There was a warrant issued for the arrest
Charles Mark Cohen charging him with
counts of first gray, murder and two counts of possession of a deadly weapon during a felony. So it's from this
not just in when he's on the run down his
conning people out of money,
doing whatever it can to make it
he'll end up in LOS Angeles, now
Anyone that lives in LOS Angeles knows that there is a three things.
that you can rely on and that is death taxes and park
tickets or parking violations and are apparently
was a parade route that he had parked the Koran.
It had been toad.
Is there mess around out there? They they is tell your car usually
a boot it, but since it was Christmas parade, they just
Every single car that was on that road, including his car,
back in a slow charlestown he's gonna go
do the impound lot and can
and the attendant there that he has left something inside of the car that he needs to go, get he's getting
in that car and drive off and try to run over the parking lot.
Impoundments attendant on his way out the door so yeah. He is
now a con artist and trying to kill people they get in his way. This part
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we're wary of nineteen. Eighty nine Charles's in rough shape ease
staying at a salvation army, men's shelter in Sacramento and did some part
work, but its during this time were he adopts another name
starts using the name Michael Richards, and he also starts watching America's most wanted course. He does this
interesting because he is
seeing himself profiled on the show and
apparently they describe them as a punk rock drummer who killed his parents, but only he thought they were covering him
so he moved on to another city because he was worried that they were coming after him. So it's
February 23rd, one thousand nine hundred and eighty nine I mean he's been on the run for a while. He ends up. Befriending
Wells Fargo Banking, executive name, Conrad Lutz now,
is a very
Successful single gay man and
they hang out
takes Charles out for dinner and invites him back to his house. It's at that point.
When Charles decides that he's probably going to kill Conrad, but he
is waiting for the right moment. I guess because the next morning, Conrad
gets up and go to work here,
Charles some money to buy food and tickets to the movie theater and
Charles is promising him a special night that night when he gets back. But of course, when
let's get off work and comes home. They have dinner and they get back
the apartment at around seven thirty
Charles is either
ice cream and watching a movie and
he notices all of
nice, expensive things that Conrad Lutz owns TV,
stereo system and so tat night when they go to bed
Charles leave, the room says: hey, I need a minute ago, freshen up and instead
He goes and grabs a knife, a dagger
he had hid in the living room earlier that day and he comes back.
proceeds to stab Conrad LOTS and the heart com
I will try to fight him off, but Charlie,
As you know, you just can t
stabbing him over and over.
kill almost and just like before
he had murdered his parents. He doesn't tried
to manipulate the scene at all. He just cleans himself
changes his clothes and they start looking for things to take. But while he
he's looking around in
play looting the place he has a knock and this
because the neighbours
there was a fight, and so they had called the police,
and this was the police asking Charles to come out and he had an interesting reaction. He basically sat down on the floor and just stay quiet until
they laughed. He really thought they were gonna get him. But since the plea,
never came into the apartment. He got away,
if he would have answered the door, they would have been able to
improbable cause or say they could search the place, but he-
Mansour the door. So they would
probably need a warrant to enter, and they didn't have that, so they ended up leaving so he said,
a few hours there packing up duffel bags full of stuff
He only ended up finding fifteen dollars in cash. They did
feel some jury and a watch, then he called for a taxi and he headed to San Francisco
is he has no value for human life. He killed.
Parents and all they got was a few hundred dollars and this this man Conrad he could of hung out with him.
Conrad would have probably paid for
Charles to live for a while, but it wasn't about that
Charles wasn't even gay he was
therefore relationship. He wasn't there for anything. He was simply there as a con too
get what he wanted an honest.
Just murder somebody else that was part of the opportunity? Now
San Francisco, he sells most of what he had taken from let's his place, except for the gold cuff links now
we had talked for about how you didn't take any credit cards or anything from his parents, well from love,
He had grab some checks and credit cards, but he didn't
the access code to these cards and no one would take a check from him.
now. It was on February twenty fifth, when Conrad
What's his body was discovered and
once again the neighbours are concerned, they called the apartheid,
manager saying you know we haven't,
this kind awhile. Normally we would have by now and
manager did a welfare check. I was quite obvious
police when they showed up that robbery was the motive, but least in their minds,
and some of the residents saw what they called an unkempt man
which would be Charles somebody who's, not very well groomed, because Conrad was very put together. They say that this
kept man arrived at nine thirty p m on the twenty. Fourth,
and at eleven p M, they heard an argument and fight. That's when, of course, the police were called to the
parliament, but did not enter when the police. Finally,
got into the apartment. They found
Charles is fingerprints and a used condom. Now they found his fingerprints all over the murders, insults pretty obvious who committed this crime and
again. On February, twenty sixth of nineteen, eighty nine, a m
it is most wanted. Premiers Charles is
trying to find a restaurant
is playing the show because he likes watching this show. But it's the episode
That covers him. You know his
crime is making headlines. So here
it's going all over the country
I mean he goes to New York. He goes the New England
he's trying to score drugs, and so he would steal from people he would target people who he thought would be too afraid to reply.
At his crimes and he was using fake identities all along.
Yes, the source of these names, these aliases, that he used, he would read books.
In libraries to help and figure out what
names to use so in
Let's see the summer of eighty nine to the early part
ninety ninety, he
in New York any starts living under an Alias Jesse.
corner and he almost got busted a police car show
up and chased him until he hid in the bushes while he was in central park. I get
because of his appearance. Another point
and in this park thought he was
a killer and threatened to take him to the police. So
are starts to feel like this isn't a good place to be anymore, so he goes down to New Orleans and its at this point,
data. The FBI has created a profile forum. Taxpayer
how he goes to park.
and soup kitchens sleeps and alleys they they do a whole right upon him
They offer a
five hundred dollar reward, which I would expect more but,
Sir, what they have to offer at that time now, while
he's in New Orleans, he
lives in a efficiency apartment which is essentially a studio apartment,
is no electricity and
it's kind of a run down area which allows him to blend in very easily and not stand out to law enforcement, or anyone
he has a new friend name, Gregg Fitch and they work.
An organisation that advocates for the rights of homeless people and.
As you say, Charles Neighbors, they fell
like he was a little off and fake trying to fit in. No one really
got along with him and are
Charles and gradual won the bar hopping a lot in the end up at
egos lounge and game Room and Charles attempted to talk to the bartender and she
remembers. This encounter
and she says I thought he was.
As a psycho the first time I met him
He was one of those people who thought he.
Convince you with his good looks
So even when he's an unkempt gentlemen
He still has his charm and boyish. Look about him that makes people
he's innocent, but she saw
I threw it on April, so
in eighteen. Ninety there was an instant
with a cab were Charles hailed, a cab
and he asked the driver to taken too
certain community budgets
Charles started to get a real attitude and became angry inserted cursing at this cab driver and when
an intersection he jumped out. So this
driver chased. Him
and die actually helped an elderly woman who
Scott carjacked by Charles, but unfortunately
every ran away. He approached in aid,
old woman, who is in her front yard and
this, took him for a meter reader
and he grabbed her and forced her
back into her house and ask
fell down, she became injured and her daughter saw this happening
and came running out. The house Charles try
get her car keys. Then the daughters husband came out
and Charles had him and stopped on him
then ran off, and this this
husband gave chase for a couple of blocs but tat. He lost him, but the key
driver was waiting for, I'm have driver and yes, the Euro. This cab driver was a bed I'll fuckin, kill you and he grabbed and by the hair,
Charles tell them the police rafter Emmon. He wanted help the cabdriver put him in the cab and told the hide on the floor. He then flag down a police officer so
this cab driver was a hero. I mean he wasn't
let Charles go and when
Charles tried to manipulate him. He played along with it nets,
Charles will end up getting caught and arrested
so he doesn't have any idea of or anything so in the past,
the rest. They just have to go off what he says:
he's gonna give him a fake name. He's gonna say his name. Is James MC down and die
gonna hold him in the parish. Jail and set bail at fifty
two hundred and fifty dollars which he can afford cause you don't have any money,
he's gonna sit in jail for six and a half weeks
tell his trial and
his lawyer thinks
he's talking to James, not Charles. The court thinks there too.
essentially a kind of death,
you almost man who happened to attack a couple people that day, so
they're bringing them up on charges of attempted robbery in battery what happens
it appears that he wants to get everything off of his chest and the judge can
hell they're, so the judge judge
anything you say in this court can be used to
Charles doesn't seem care. He announced that he murdered three people. He said I'm guilty of the charter
here today and not the least of which three murders
My real name is not James Mcdowell. My real name is Charles Cohen, and I'm one of the
America's most wanted criminals, and he finished with. I make this
fashion in Jesus name apparently
He had found religion in his few.
X, in jail, so the dossier
General John Downs from Delaware.
Able to New Orleans to pick Charles up to bring him back
The Louisiana deputy attorney General Stephen Walter asked for permission to call
Jean Charles, but he refused now think am Del.
has it right.
This is more important that they take care of his charges in Delaware, Fur
murder charges will trump. You know us
battery charges yeah right so when they got back to Delaware, Charles confessed,
everything he did. He gave a detailed account, and this
in fashion took place over multiple days. Emmy he's
both from May twenty six to the twenty Eightth and police,
accorded these confessions. This
is commonly referred to as the fried chicken story. Because at the time
Charles was willing to talk and ie
to get her downs offered to buy him lunch
Charles said I'll? Tell you the whole story after eight, my fried chicken, so they sit there and
Patiently, while he eats
and they read him his Miranda rights and are there
wondering, is this guy point
our leg here is he actually gonna confess and now
he's done eating? He talks very
candidly about house.
murdered his parents,
he tells them in great detail about how he
Lord his father, upstairs and then attacked
from behind with the dumb and then
all this mother up to check on his father and that's when he attacked her and he describes
how frail she was and how she couldn't fight back and once he's
parents. He breaks.
and cries, and at this
an error, and it's not like he's crying for sympathy, ease, not lackeys, pudding
show we he's is
really crying, but I think
he's crying at D just adapt
city of himself at the the monster,
he's become yet this can fight
Saint Clair, some things out for the police. They had thought that he,
had been set off and then started
his parents, but
said now. I I planned it. He said.
That he was sober was not
drunk or on any drugs, and it was
very much planned and he says,
the same thing about when he killed Conrad Lutz said he did not
rank or do any drugs the night because he was intent,
on killing this man
and he needed his wits about him. So now, if you
don't understand that robbery and stealing, probably wasn't de intent or the motive. Now you understand that this guy
Molly was aiming to kill people now chow
as is the fence team? Doesn't
his confessions used against him and the prosecutors want the death penalty on the table,
And they actually had eleven
aggravating factors that warranted that they also had people lined up to testify against Charles. But what do you think the odds are that they can get this stricken, so they can't be used. Hurrying
not very good, regardless of his confession. During the end,
negation with investigators. Theirs
a court room in New Orleans that.
Has his confession, so it doesn't matter at this point if they
at his one convention thrown out there's. So many
issues here with what he's done, that his defence team doesn't have anything really to work with
well it's in November of nineteen ninety one when Charles Mark,
and changed his plea from not guilty to guilt
but mentally ill and the judge
ordered him to take anti psychotic medication
so his mental illness becomes a topic
has trial and too
like and psychologists psychologist testify about,
his mental health. Now they all agreed that Charles
had schizophrenia and depression, but they talk about paranoid schizophrenia
and I guess you can relate that Back-
Ec Study wrote for his stupid band of a man following them around with a gun,
but I'm not really sure how that translates into planning
on and murdering your parents and then furthermore,
planning on and murdering a man who is,
can you into his home. It's it's not like he
was thinking. Somebody was against him and that's why he murdered them. He
claims. He was doing this because he was bored he was felt oppressed by his parents like he
has a whole litany of excuses, none of which are. I thought my parents were coming after me, so, regardless
of his mental state. It doesnt really fit D,
ass, the narrative of his actions, but by pleading guilty
but mentally ill he's basically saying that he didn't have
the willpower to refrain from doing these things
because he had a disorder and the court accepts it,
march. Nineteen nineteen, ninety two, so they
onto the sentencing phase, and this all starts with the recording of his confession and he had an ex girlfriend who testified against him
She talked about a letter that he had written to her saying here.
Is going on a rampage of real destruction. He also
I'd, love to rape and kill. I would love to keep people at gunpoint or slit somebody's throat, so she
apparently received a number of letters from Charles and they were all disturbing, even told her. He wanted to rape her, so this isn't going
to go in his favour, but
At the same time, it's a death penalty Kay
and I had a lot of yours. They don't want that.
On their head. They dont want
to know that their putting someone to death and
going to consider all mitigating.
actors such as his mental health. The jury recommended eight too, for that he should knock at the door,
penalty, so he received two lifetime
plus sixty years from the judge, that's
As for his his parents murder. This has nothing to do with
Conrad LOTS in California yeah that that's a case.
That. No one knew who the perpetrator was until his confession
If he didn't say anything, he would have
go through all this trial and everything I mean really.
and if you want a just stuck to his fake name in New Orleans and plead guilty to do
assault and battery charge and the robbery charge he might have gotten
they with murder completely and sat in a jail in New Orleans,
those who knows if they would have been able to get his fingerprints and to a national database and find that he was Charles Mark Cohen. You would think,
it would be simple. You would think that that would happen, but
We ve seen how this works and
This was the the ladys and early nineties.
I dont know how much the national database was going on back then and if they would have been able to tie him back in his identity, back lay definitely had four.
the evidence, but if he hadn't stepped up in
literally confessed who he was and what he did in court in New Orleans. I think he he might
I've just been charged iron.
Time behind bars for robbery.
the attorneys and July nineteen. Eighty two wanted him moved to the dollar
State Hospital to receive treatment, but that request was then
by the court and
in that year, Charles waved his claims to his parents estate, this totalled
Three hundred and thirty thousand dollars, then he was
to face charges
California and was transferred their for trial.
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Consider to be the best
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Things that he strove to discover with his book. Was he wanted to know why Charles killed his parents,
and according to MIKE walls, he said here. Is it
who seemed part of the perfect american family- he had a lot of it.
Energy in life.
through them away- and I think that's not-
call just every. We ve brought this up before indifferent
cases like why
I so, and so do this if
other really cool thing was going to happen or their life. Seen
really great, but that's just it. You,
and say from the outside. It looks great, but in offer people
who are actually in the situation, whether its mental health issues or
whatever else it might be. There are reasons why people don't think they have a great life. Even
If you ask everyone knew them in other.
how'd. You know I was a great life that is a matter
All that matters is what the person in the situation feels. He
very loving parents and tea,
by all accounts had a life that most people would love or dream of
but in his mind
parents, love and support, had strings attached.
In his mind, he felt like he couldn't do
or be himself living under their roof. Yet he wasn't very
impotent. He wasn't competent enough to go out from underneath their number
their support, so accordingly,
here he kind of place it off like he felt stock under his parents.
April nineteen, eighty four Charles
our Cohen plead guilty to murdering Conrad lots, and he received
A sentence of life in prison without parole
An interesting thing happened in November,
eighteen eighty four several in May
said the gander he'll prison were Charles, was staying at escaped.
Charles, knew their plans and could have left with them but chose not to leave which
he says he's found God he says he confessed in them
oh Jesus and
he's trying to, I guess: make amends he's trying to do the right thing and he had an opportunity to escape and he didn't take. It doesn't
He's a good person doesn't mean that too, I think he's real
the stated, but at least
he's trying, I guess now. He
I wanted to have his
and can you did in August?
two thousand six Charles went before the State Board of pardons and explain how finding
God. Finding Jesus changed him for the better
he wanted to become a christian minister and preached others and help them.
Said. I've made a full turn around: I'm not there,
in person. I was, but as part of
this hearing he had to expire
in a recent transfer, they had back to the Delaware Psychiatric Centre and his reasoning for it was because someone had placed a witchcraft spell on him
I think this is where the the board exchanged glances and
within three minutes denied a request I mean. Let's say he got his request in this fantastical world. Will then
we'd have to be transferred to California and serve a life sentence. Their personally
I think I would rather stay in the northeast
in the prisons there than a California prison myself, but I dont know what his thoughts
was here because he wasn't gonna be led out free use.
And after go serve another Sutton somewhere else. This was one of, if not the
biggest crime stories in Delawares history thereof
course many journalists, many reporters that wanted to talk with Charles Mark Cohen and
if they could get some answers out of him, get him to tell a story, but he just
really feel like talking about it, he replied
dad too, the Delaware aligns request for an inn
view by writing back. I dont want to be interviewed
sincerely Charles Cohen, and damn I kind of want to think
that this is because he is still trying to do the right thing that he doesn't want to talk about these crimes, because our horrible he's trying to put them behind him and
and be a different person rather than think about them all the time and
I don't know if it's like an alcoholic who knows not to take it,
Maybe he knows not to talk
but this anymore in Egypt
behind him and not focus on it, because maybe he'll have that
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