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Dennis Rader "BTK" //Replay

2021-11-28

January 15th, 1974. Wichita, KS. A boy opens the back door to let the family dog out and a man makes his way into the house. He is armed with a gun. The family inside consists of a husband and wife as well as two of their five children. They have no idea that the man is there to kill them. Expecting only to be robbed they are compliant at first. His pattern would be to bind them, torture them, & kill them. These four were just the beginning. For 30 years BTK would elude the authorities. Then, in 2004, an arrest is made. His own family was shocked. In his confession, serial killer Dennis Rader detailed his crimes and revealed how he operated.

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the president of a Lutheran Church Council had two kids, his pretty normal, which sets him apart from a lot of other serial killers. I think, when factor Ex would urge him to kill. He would do what he called trolling, where he would go. Look for targets for victims. The project's trolling could last days weeks months or it could be a perpetual thing, he's always trolling for a new victim. Once he selected a victim, he would lock on to that target and he would move into his stocking. mode his stocking phase where he would follow them. He would gather information or do quote unquote homework where he might steal their mail to find their name, follow them too. So he knows where they work. In doing this, he would find their pattern. He would find out
if they were single they're married who in their apartment or house with them, and this was his stocking phase and then he would choose a time and date of when he would attack the victim and he might go so far as to see an easy way to break into their house or come up with a scheme of social engineering to gain entry to the house and from there he would put together a hit kit, which was a murder kit, usually a briefcase or some type of bag, that he would put items in, such as plastic bags, rope, handcuffs guns that he would use in
his attack, sometimes he would dress up as telephone repairmen. He had a lot of different techniques that he would use in his attacks on these victims and he was very methodical about it, which isn't really that differ from Say, TED, Bundy or other serial killers, but the fact that he will take you through the process even in his confession to the court's. He takes them through the victims, which he called projects and referred to them as projects, and it would take him through the step by step on each one and very disturbing and nonchalant to hear him refer to human beings as projects and his process of eliminating them more The other thing that could happen is so he would lock onto certain targets and then he would show the day to victimize. One of his targets
this happened many times where he would go to that person's house He would hope to use a ruse to get in, but they weren't home as he says that he really has to get a victim like there's, no choices, driven, Then he will move on to another target or if there isn't other target area, he'll, actually just moved down the street and look for a random tar. One that is presented as an opportunity. I mean most the time he went through with his intended targets, but there were, I think at least one one situation where he chose a random there's more than I believe there is more than welcome what is leave it. As you know, if he couldn't it his target dear. He would move on. He was going to victimize someone on that day, not every time bad, it's he might. There were times where He was so pent up, it had to happen. He would find another victim many
The people are going to talk about in this case these victims of Dennis writer, Many of them are smaller people. In fact, I would say all of them are from what I could tell Dennis. Rater stood six foot one and he does have his own family he married, Paula, deeds and nineteen seventy one and As you said, he ended up having to kids some other creepy thing about him, though he nicknamed his penis sparky. He would take notes one of the acronyms you'd seen as notes is as BT witches. Marcie big time, which I am sure we can guess what that is talk about his first attack January, fifteenth, nineteen, seventy four, so as he's drawing, he will lock onto certain tar. Its, and it seems as though the reason why these first for become victims is because jewel oh taro worked briefly at common
and there's a tie in here, because Dennis Rater worked at common, so the their puerto rican they purchase a house in Wichita, and this is a big deal for them, they have their own home and the father's name is Joe he's five. What for his wife, Julius five foot? Three their daughter. Josie is five foot for she's eleven and then you have Joey or Joseph Junior. They have three other children who are not home. When Dennis Raider pays a visit, Danny, Charlie and Carmen Dennis Rater knows their schedules. He's been watching this family for a while. He knows when Joe's not going to be home. So, on the day that he shows up, which is January, 15th, one thousand nine hundred and seventy four, he believes that the father's not home now he's much bigger than the father is, but he just doesn't want the hassle, yet you doesn't want a male to be there, but what
I know, is that Joe had been in a car accident recently and he had cracked at least one of his ribs, Sir Jos cars. Not there because it's in the shop, so he assumes Jos not home, because the cars missing in Jos nowhere to be seen because he's laid up in the house. Injured. So he goes in to the back yard. He cuts the telephone wire and a standing out there and as Dennis, Your would later say it's almost as though he was perhaps about to lose his nerve and maybe just leave the dog its let out and Denis Raider moves in then he pulled his pistol. He has a gun and so, of course, that the attention of Joe and his family, and he let them know I'm wanted. I need some money. I need rob you, he takes them back into the bedroom, yeah he starts tying them up now, as he says, he's tying them up and holding the Ganges having this,
the gun down. Taiwan, a pick the gun back up, but, of course, after he has everyone tied up. That's when they know pretty quickly that this isn't going to go the way he said it was now. If some one starts complaining that- and this is while they can speak obviously, but if they can plant there bindings are too tight, he might loosen the mellow bet. There's something strange about this: were he says? Oh, they must be a little uncomfortable help them, and I think this is part of his ploy to make the people more compliant. Put them more at ease, make them more comfortable because he he's trying to fulfil a fantasy, and if there are fighting it's going to screw that up the lie of unwanted man. I just need your money in your car, and I'll be on my way just to pacify them MIKE. I'm not here to hurt you when really that's his whole motive is to bind towards
and kill a little word of warning. Dennis Rater his nickname that. He gave himself Bt K is a fitting nickname. Some of you. This will be your first time hearing about. you need to know why this man is a must we need to know what his Emma was. So they use understand just what a terror he was an These people really suffered in the case of the hotel. It seems as though he starts off his if you assume that this is the start of his killing career. He starts off with a bang because he has an entire family. We, as for family members, tied up in a bedroom and now that he's got then, where he wants them. He's got Julie and Josie on the bed and he's got Joe and Joe Junior on the floor. Any moves on the father. First correct yeah. He put the bag over his head kind
strangled them what the bag and thinks that Jos, gone down, as he puts it in he moves on to the wife. Mrs Matera and he starts to strangle her and, according to him, he doesn't know possesses his first time how much pressure, how long to do it? so he's strangling her. He thinks that she's gone down or is dad, but she's merely passed out the dad the bag on his head he's merely passed out also, but they're not dead. Yet that's were kind of horrifying to think about that. He put the bag on Junior's head also- and it's some point in this ordeal dad Joe, has either ripped the hole in the bag come to just because the bag got messed up or something to that effect be shifted
had real fast at the side near and tears a hole in it so that he could breathe, I assume so Dennis takes the bag. Back of his head puts some kind of fabric around his face. I think he puts a t shirt Anyway. He puts like a t shirt on article of clothing over his head and bags him again. This way he can't simply just he can't just tear it at this point. He goes to the daughter in strangled her she passes out, but the mom is now conscious again, so he strangled the dad the mom in put a bag over the headed. Junior and is now going to strangle, Josephine and he's a little shifty on the order of this. But each family member keeps coming back to life gaining consciousness, so he's having to go back
Ray strangle them and now he's gone back to Joe put a t, shirt or some kind of fabric or cloth autumn, but the bag back over that ended up finishing Joe with a cord need to cover whimsy jelly junior. He takes him too a different room, and this is where the alarming things about the cases they found imprints from a chair that was placed in front of his body, so the he watched him struggle in front of him, and then he goes back and Josie is obviously not finished, and so he he takes her down to the basement and uses a cord to hang her from he hangs or from a pipe three won't talk about them probation this is where we need to get to another part of his m. O is Dennis rate is not a rapist in
and said he doesn't sexually penetrate his victims. What he'll do is, he will kill them. Sometimes he'll torch them for a little bit and he would do that by choking them, letting them Berghain consciousness than choking them again, may have developed because of the mistakes made during this attack right He realized tat. He could control every moment. in their lives, so what he would do was he with masturbate after they were dead, usually into a garment like an negligee or something to that effect or in the case of the hotel rose the daughters legs, but wouldn't rape them. Even though that something that he would tell us victims when he first encounter them. He would say I'm going to tie you up on going to rape you, but then I will let you go here that he would never rape them. It was all a control thing too.
and it was controlling their life and death controlling them in watching them die feeling them die. He had knives and guns on, but strangely Sean was his his method. There is a documentary that I just want. Engine very quickly called. I survived Bt K. I think it's out on Netflix and it follows around Charlie, O Taro and his life now after his family's, wiped out in its heartbreaking, the watch its It's worth a watch. Can you see the damage inflicted upon people that are victims of murder? All the victims had different knots used on them Oh the knots that were used is among the four in a family square knots blood not slip, knots, cloven, half it
is you gotta realise that Dennis was a cub scout leader and had multiple other jobs which will get into later, but he was sort of old School. He knew how to tie multiple knots and he was in the cub scouts. So kind of an explanation for that you remove under Catherine bright twenty one years old April. Fourth, nineteen, seventy four: he was driving by one day saw her walking into a house. So during his trolling he happened to see her. He locks on he figures I who she is here, breaks into the house through the back door well, the back of the house. He smashes a window gains entry that he's expecting her soon. There
and so he pulls out his gun and the gun goes off, which is pretty alarming because he's trying to hide yes said he can ambush her. He thinks he's blown as cover. He thinks is blown it completely here, but luckily for him the shows up soon after, but not soon enough, that she's heard the gunshot. What is unfortunate for Dennis
later, is that she's not alone? She has her brother Kevin with her Katherine and Kevin enter the home. He approaches them. Has his gun tells him he he's wanted and he needs their car needs some food, but he has them tied each other up. He has Kevin, tie her up. Okay and then he ties up Kevin. He ties Kevin up to the bedpost and then he takes Catherine to another bedroom. He comes back to Strangle Kevin, but Kevin has broken his bonds, so he ends up shooting Kevin in the face, because Kevin's, free and trying to fight his way out after he shoots Kevin in the face. Kevin goes down and is laying there. He thinks Kevin's dad and he goes back to strangle Catherine. While he's doing this, he hears noises from Kevin. So we goes back in the room. Kevin Jump
Dennis is wearing a shoulder holster, so he's got a gun. You know on aside and Kevin grabs that gun and tries to shoot Dennis, but the gun doesn't go off. Is this because it jams where did Dennis like put his hand on it and prevent the hammer from falling? I'm not really sure, but Kevin tries to shoot Dennis and it doesn't work when that doesn't work Dennis B, Kevin scratches out of them and Kevin jumps up to leave. Dentist pulls out his second gun and shoots Kevin
again. Kevin goes down. He goes back to Catherine to strangle her more but she's fighting and he feels like he's losing control because he's had to fight with Kevin now he's trying to kill Catherine he's not in control, so he ends up pulling out his knife and stabbing Catherine. He stabbed her eleven times, yes, but not to death, because she's not quite dead. She would die for hours later this a major problem for him because he wants to be in control and he's lost control. He stabbing her and at the time he stabbing her. He hears the front door open in, so he stopped stabbing or because he thinks the cops have kicked in the front door.
He thinks that the police and law enforcement have arrived, so he jumps up to go check. Any notices that Kevin is gone, Kevin who's been shot. Multiple times has escaped and running down. The street he's completely lost control of the situation, so he takes the keys that they gave him any goes out to the cars, but he doesn't know which key goes to which car and he can't get the key to work, so he panics and he takes off on foot in runs back to his car, which he typically parks his car between three and four blocks away. He likes the control, but, as we can see, he's having to fight these two people and is creating a ton of noise, so there's a lot of pressure here to flee the scene eventually, and so for him. This isn't a kill that he's very proud of this speaks of him not
seeing this powerful, controlling serial killer he's just a guy who attempted a kill, but it didn't come out the way wanted Kevin escapes, so he takes off and Kevin. Could I d him exactly so now he's thinking the guy saw me. He knows where I look like and of course, when Kevin gets to this neighbour's house and they see em still got a quart around his neck. They call the police, but Dennis is long gone mean he did a quick sweep of the house which he always does. To make sure that he doesn't leave anything. But in this case he was eight to get away. No one saw running away so kind of a lucky situation for Dennis You won't get word from our sponsor ever Lane will of Denham, but the pest.
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Eighty- which I am sure many of you know they make house alarms this will give him an unfair advantage. This gives him knowledge of how the alarm systems work. Knowledge of police response time, knowledge on how to enter homes, but really what comes down to is he's a busy guy. He also likes to reenact. I guess you could say his crimes, so that he's reliving them, but he's doing this on his own, so he's savouring them. same time is also having children he'll have to kids. So when he has a new child, that sort of puts the damper on things for awhile there's gotta be a debt and for all accounts he was alive, Father. He was a church later he was in cub scouts and he taught his kids had him camp and fish and other things like
like a normal father, Would Dennis Raider would contact the media. He would contact the police. and he would let them know that he was out there and then he was doing his thing because he was incredibly narcissistic and he didn't want any one else to either take the blame for his crimes or to take the credit, and he would sign his letters, BT, Kay That's a narcissist right there so that these three guys in prison that start talking in saying we have information about their taro murders and Denis Raider catches. Women things. No one knows about this, except for me and the authorities, because they investigated, but three guys there in prison. They don't know anything about this so as to protect his kills there his what year was that its in October of nineteen seventy four worker gnats one that kind of prompts the letters in the car
pause and stop right right. So he's going to write a letter, but he's not going to just deliver it somewhere. So what he does is he hides it in a book at a library below the public library, he places a phone call to the eagle, the Bewitched, our Eagle Eye, says, listen and listen. Good, I'm only I say say this once is a a letter about the taro case in a in the public library, and he gives the tail of the book which applied engineering, mechanics and, of course, inside that book is a letter. Probably not a book. That's gonna be checked out, that's what I was thinking and in there he gives varies if information that only the killer or an investigator on the case would know it may be Even the investigators I mean they would have to take knows this- is somebody just riding it out and saying here,
The body was. This was near the body, here's what happened to the body and he was able to prove that whoever wrote this latter committed the crimes and to disprove the men in jail. Men imprisoned there were trying to take credit or say they had information on it. It just important, I think, because why does he right the latter's? Why would he put clues out, therefore, the authorities, the work off of exactly it's a once? The notoriety he's BT, he's the one they did this stuff. He wants the credit fast forward three years to marked seventeenth nineteen, seventy seven we have she I believe I am twenty four years old. Unlike the other victims, he was actually trolling and stocking somebody else another target here. there was another woman and she leaving a Dylan's parking lot. I guess she went into a house and heap
follower he knocked on the door. Something happened where he lost track of her and he was unable to find her and according to him he was all tied up. So he started just walking around the neighbourhood. He actually approached little boy and he said he was a private detective and showed him a photograph. There is a boy that he sees whose six years old. His name is Stephen, as vice and Sun, the ring This boy without side is because this whole family has the flu they're all sick, and so the mother she told her son. Go to the grocery store and get a specific soup. and so the sun goes up. The grocery store gets a sou comes back and she looked at the zoo says you got the wrong one. You need to go, get the right soup, so he goes back out goes the store comes back
and ass. These approaching his house Dennis Rater approaches. Him holds up a photo and the photo is of demonstrators, wife and kid- and he says: have you seen these people he's asking a six year old? If he's seen these people well, so the kid ends up going in the house, will he'll end up going up to them door and knocking surely by an has three children she has, but whose eight Stephen Hughes six and Stephanie, whose for the two sons race, each other, the front door and they open it up to and they look out, and there is that man not long after here. Comes the mother Shirley putting on her house goat. She comes the front door and he said hi, I'm I'm a detective, I'm looking for these people and he gets access into the house becomes in that's when he pulls out his three fifty cents
His gun calmly explains to her that he has sexual fantasies and he's going to tie her up and tie her children up more than likely rape her. He says he's done this before and you'll try to get it over with as quickly as possible and, of course, her kids are freaking out crying and she's pretty upset she so upset that shades of throwing up getting sick. Before that happens, he tries to type but up and bud starts for, hang out, so he knows this is too much too much noise. He can't do it this way, so he says: well, lock the children up in the bathroom and then we can go to another room. and he even gets their toys in blankets to put in the bathroom with them to make them more comfortable and compliant, because this bathroom has you doors to it, so there's a door on the far side and one on the near aside any ties
one door knob to like this in area and then hill, secure the other door, so they can't they can't get out. Then he takes her back to her bedroom. She get sick and he goes and gets her a glass of water to try and calm her down. He will tie her up putting a bag over her head and then use the rope that he's tighter up with two to finish her off. It's tough because is another case: that's going south now, there's no man in the house, but Bud whose ate it making the most noise he's pounding on the door and he's yelling at Dennis writer. and they actually have a low exchange bud sturdy, eyeing leave my mom alone, get out of here, I'm gonna break out of here and he's threatening, Dennis Rater and, as raiders just says. I don't think you want to I'll blow your head off so
she and Zeb throwing up, I think a couple of times and he does kill her, but he's gotta get out there and so he takes off, but Bide meanwhile take something smashes the bathroom window. He gets out the window and his brother Stephen follows him and they'll come, on the front and get inside and discover their moms not moving as she has a bag over her head and they let their sister out again, I feel like he looked out. I feel like this. This isn't a well planned situation. I feel, like he's, been granted a lot of luck in a lot of these attacks. My think it's he meticulously plans, these things he stocks them. He gets schedules down, but when It doesn't work out such because someone's not home pages Willy nilly says: okay, let us move on to another house and
this is another case that isn't so good for him, because he was disgusted by the state of the house. He thought she was a dirty person. Any wasn't please by it, and very satisfying for him December eighth, nineteen, seventy seven, he finds twenty five year old, Nancy Fox He noticed her walk into a house one night. While he was drawing stock, sir, he follows or to work. I guess she worked at a house bird diamonds. She had to jobs, checked her male fines or place of work. He's done its homework. Somebody he's pretty obsessed with so he's taking his time a parking his car. A few blocks away as you normally does. He knock on the door. Nobody answers so he's making sure
he's home. He goes around back cuts the phone lines and he breaks and he waits in the kitchen once she arrives. He explains that he has a sexual fantasy problem in that he's. Gonna have to tire up. He says that he talks to her for a while and he goes through her purse. Instructs collecting personal items from her she's compliant but she's, just like Let's get this over with get out of my house, so I can call the police right, but when she first seize him, she like gotta, my house, and he tells her what he wants she says I'm going to call the police. Is almost schist irritated like how dare you know because again, if you look at him, I mean some: people, think he's very evil. Looking very sinister one they look at em. I dont feel our way and I could kind of sea where she's coming.
from where she just looks at him like what it. What are you doing in here old guy, like get out of my house? He has to tell her I'm a bad guy, but she knows he's got the upper hand instead of fighting. She just says: let's get this over with do what you got to do so we can move on. I guess, but she ends up saying that she has to use the bathroom, and he said ok, fine, a props, the door open, and he says when you come out dismay, she rang less clothes and he actually gets undressed. This is probably one of the few times where he's undressed, while he's with victim is also, I think, to let her know that I'm going to rape, you even That's not really ways going to do. I go along with this story. He handcuffs her and ties her feet he's wearing gloves. This whole yeah he's not wearing a mask or any Europe. Some people were,
You would have a hood honours. Ah then, I might now he never tried to conceal his identity. They didn't I find that he ever war mask just in his own selfies or wherever he would wear a man yeah that it when he was actually doing the attacks. You know somebody has a mask on though there are probably do you. Harm in this was his way of making them more compliant and comfortable was at his face was visible, so he lays on top of her hands up using a belt string. during her. His typical m o YE censures the belt around her throat yeah again, he he masturbates at the scene, according to Dennis writers, She attempts to injure him either as in the car, she managed the hook, one of her hands up. Ang manages to do. Your fingers into his scrotum, but agree
ass, raider the actually kind of like that. This is where he looks out. I mean yes, he has her tied up. He has her subdued, but at any point any of these victims could of scratched his face done some day damage to him, something that he would have to explain later to his wife and family thing that he might have to come up with a law. For at work during the investigation There were like our. We found that the victim had skin under her fingernails, oh and then this guy has claw marks on something. So again it's. I think he has a lot of luck on his side. While there is luck on the side, because he so proud of this crime that he reports, it himself yeah the phone that he calls from actor the
bachelor gets the information he lets the phone dangle and then another person gets on the phone ask who it is and he's a fire fighter law who the guy was just on the phone and the fire fire doesn't have a lot of information bed and said there was another man there, not a good description, because he wasn't paying attention cuz. Why woody? So that's one thousand nine hundred and seventy seven he won't murder again until one thousand nine hundred and eighty five, so there's a big break their. What is he doing from seventy seven to eighty five? We keep talking about how it gets lucky. He gets really lucky because after Nancy is killed. This is a nice in seventy, eight rater wrote a I'm about Shirley, buying and in writing on this index card and his wife walks in Weis working I so he slips it down into the chair. While he forgot about it and his wife ends at fine.
What is this oh yeah? Well, he goes to which our State University S Repose, the school Asia Thou were were working on. The beach came errors in the criminology class. She believes him, and yet he finishes the poem rates poem about that lets, you see we think of it, because he sends it into the Wichita ego. Surely locks Shirley Locks wilt thou, be mine, thou shalt not scream, nor yet see the line, but lay on cushion and think of me and death and how it's going to be. But this is not something
it gets to the eagle and they go. Oh, my goodness did BT case sent this so wicked harp on this. The whole programme, because he is not despite his planning. This guy is not as meticulous, I think, as people have tried to make amounts, be theirs large gaps there. It's not consistent and that adds to the you know, creation of law enforcement and trying to track this person also is a family man. I didn't real lot of the profiling on him, but I doubt that we'll talk about it later, but I doubt if law enforcement withstanding face to face with them. They would know that this man has a d, her secret, while the reason I'm saying that he is not meticulous is because he sends this poem in, but there is nothing about it that says Bt K. No,
anybody who said this. In fact, they say that they sent this to their classifieds department, but because there was no payment with it there. Just like The turn into a box over years- something you know I mean so he gets up savvy- has he's thinking come on guys. I want some publicity here, so he sends another Pelham, but this time he make sure they know who sent it it's o death Nancy. He types Bt K on the letter four times in case they missed it, Yet this time, they're not going to misunderstand who sent the no he's incense, he wants them to publicize him. Somehow he since everyone know who he is he's out there. His letters are not types very well, either a misspellings or the way that they are not properly space door. What have you they're kind of sloppy
and he also tends to miss state words, Let them know the death camp so far and up to that point the invest scares had arguments about that. Was this one, a victim of his or not. They don't know. Typically, you think well, whatever is count as you can assume that there might be a few more, you have the h, H, homes pulled scenario where they think hundreds more than you have dad TED Bundy, who wouldn't admit to certain ones, mean that's two ways a loose number but Dennis he absolutely wants to take credit for his murders. No more, no less! Well it mother problems. Is they dont? his true ammo. They have an idea, but when you have slight variations stab it's enough, the owl He didn't stab anyone in the other case a. Why would this be connected to him? They hang it tricky
and so you had some people who were investigating saying the. I actually think these are all tied together and you'd have others who would say ah this one isn't him this one is this one is in, and this letter I think, helps solidify, really where the counties, in case they didn't know yeah, so we fast forward eight years April, 27th, one thousand nine hundred and eighty five hundred and fifty three, rolled marine hedge. Mrs little, outside of his typical target, is typical project. Doesn't she live what six houses down this is now However, this is somebody that he waves to as they pass by each other now going to church. Even I mean I guess there, probably not friends, there now they don't know each other, but this is definitely little bit outside of the typical serial killer.
m o of random stranger and not people? You know she lives so close to him that in his planning, He knows you can't just walk over to her house, yes to get there another way, a roundabout way. So if you going to kill someone who lives six houses down where he does. He have a good alibi. That's why he sees it. And he's taking his kid to a boy scout camp and while he's there He'll, say I've got a headache I'm going to. To bed early and that's when he used is that I'm to get away and drive to the bowling alley. So he goes to a bowling alley and he puts his hit kit and a bowling
slushes around some beer in his mouth gets himself smelling like a drunkard and call the taxi explain to the taxi driver on. I need a ride. You know playing off that I'm too drunk to drive kind of thing and he gives the taxi driver and Address close by two marine, he tells the taxi driver that he's feeling nauseated and just to stop the car and he needs to get out so taxi driver doesn't know what house he's going to or anything and it's a few houses away from marine. Now he wants to block off yeah this sounds like he's actually planning this one pretty well now, she's fifty three years old, which is quite a bit older than his other victims, have been his other victims raw under forty up to this point. Typically around the twenties year, her cars there
so he thinks that she might be home, so he sneaks into the house stealth like and he gets inside, and she isn't home so he's hiding in the bedroom and marine returns home, and she has a a man with her head. want to deal with so he remains hidden and marine and her male counterpart hang out and talk for. He says around an hour and then me the man leaves Dennis remains hidden until the early morning hours, the middle of the night and that's when he
he decides to go in new, turns on the bathroom light in the bedroom, where Marinas Master Bath Light and she wakes up and screams when he gets into bed with her, which is really unnerving and he strangled her to death, as he puts it manually because she screaming smell night. He wants to end this quickly so uses hands for the first time just his hands, not a cord, not pantyhose, not a bag. After he strangled her to death. He ties are up and put her in a blanket. This is a little deviation from his typical mo now, but I think it's because he didn't get to play out normal. He gets the control. Then he gets to do that and he didn't get to do that. He didn't get the tie her up, so he he just strangled her to death. Now he
best to fulfill that that fantasy side, so he wraps her up in a blanket and he takes her puts her in the back of the car and he drives her to his church, which is Christ, Lutheran church. Yeah. He had already staff some black plastic bags and the church. So when he gets there, he starts taking the windows up and then he her into the building into the church, and he starts posing her he puts high heels honour and starts seeing her and different positions and taking a break? Polaroid pictures of her. He says he be positions her in bondage, an lewd position That is a whole other level right there? I can't even rap my head around this. This goes further than allow the other speakers that we recover, but to take a body to a church. I think it's you have org
guys and disorganized serial killers. You know an organized SIRI color is the methodical planner in the disorganized. One is the one that can't even function in society. He absolutely can function in society, but to go this far gone into depravity and still be able to function in society. Is it shocking to me well, he'll dispose of earn, a ditch will cover with a brush, and it will be nine days before someone finds her, but here too she screams in the middle of night. He tells her. He puts her in a car he drives to his church. He has this thing and then he has to get her back in the car and then find a place to dump a body. again. There's a lot of chances here. A lotta risks he's taking Vicki wearily how I heard a pronounced she was known to play the piano and that's one of the things. I think that
Look out to him is that he was attracted to her and he like the ones. You play the piano, and she was married and they had a daughter who is nine and a two year old son rater. This is where he he pose as a south western Bell repairman, so he by Helmut that he got from eighty and a brief case with some rules of some type fur lined testing piece of craft. Something together makes it look like it's a line: tester it'll fool her yeah. He. as the house next door and Ngos to arouse sir like setting it up like he's going door to door there and its normal. He wants to manage hacker line and you you sure you have to come in and he says yes and after he gets in. I think she These starts to realise. Wait. A man this isn't just to repairman. This is something else and he will tell her to lay down in her bed
He pulls his gun honour and does the his thing now in his kit. He has these leather laces, which He called a strangling rig and this is a new thing he's added to his kit and he wants. Is it on her, but she fights him. now. Meanwhile, she also has a two year old, who is, I think, an crib right yeah. I think it in the same room at least right anyway alive of noisier she's fighting back and they end going off the bed. Her husband was supposed to be home soon like it could have been any time here TAT, her husband was sharp and she tried telling him that he takes centre. Mason and sees aware of that. But he also doesn't know if it's just a ruse, so he will have to finish her off quickly and then he doesn't get to do anything else in his confession. He says that
He finally gets a nylon sock around her throat. He says she goes down and he thinks that she's dead. I thought he actually tried to take some pictures of her and then she came back to conscious. But again this is him in his confession. So he's he's a little loose with the details when she came to She said her husband was coming home and they fought more and that's when he strangled her again. She actually didn't die right away. She she dies later after leaves one and there's something really sad about this, which is her husband, passes, rater they're, both in cars, and he notes that that car looks like his wife's car but then he sees a tall man driving a car, so he thinks oh, but probably not our car. Then he gets there. It takes him forty five, minutes to realize that she's actually in the house, he thinks what happened
Why is she not here the two year olds here but she's? Not here, but yeah, so since she dies on the other side of the bed, just behind the bed so when he looks in the bedroom he doesn't see doesn't see or he would have had to have gone over there in a round that side of the bed to see her get it it's another. One of those kills fur BT gave that didn't go the way he wires, who Brandon would say man her mommy to an officer and they actually suspected bill her husband of killing her britches horrible, because if they oppressed him. If you know, if Dorothy he didn't have an alibi, he was literally arriving as she was murdered. I can't imagine if you was being interrogated in caved under pressure and gave a false confession or something they do press him, but he doesn't give a false confessional anything yeah. I just I couldn't imagine if this situation turn
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Sean Bt K, war room is in that building and they gave him a tour. He gets to see his work all over this room. All these people focused on him and he feels important. He feels like this is his opus right now this is his narcissism and then he gets too worn out into the world with a badge in right. Citations for grass tell people that they need to comply with whatever city org. Instead he pulls out of a hat people than like em. They said he was aggressive and really shitty gathers one thing that you often and in this cases they'll say: oh well, people like demonstrator. No, there are people who did people at his church, his immediate family, but when he was a compliance officer, they definitely didn't like him. There were a lot of complaints about him, but he was the one with the badge and he was enforcing the law
there is one woman that he was giving a lot of trouble to, and she said what do I need to do because she was frustrate every time. She'd comply with something get it fixed. He was right there with more complaints and he just looked at her and said. Well, maybe you get rid of your guy. Is all this trouble star when he came into the picture? They d get gear, that man you're with almost see that as he wanted to target her and he wanted man out of the picture, but I think it was just him a jerk trolling and ruining people's lives, and he just wasn't having to the EU is feeding factor acts with just being shitty. We'll talk a little bit about that. Google as your gun. So a dogs on the loose wanted, neighbours says he was
what they're shooting tranquilizer darts at this dog while they were children around- and he really didn't appreciate that because he felt that Dennis of putting children's lives in danger because he didn't feel the dog was a threat he felt Dennis was the threat and Dennis was obsessed with capturing this dog on the loose and he ends up euthanizing the dog, He takes the dog to a veterinarian clinic and says this dog needs to be used and eyes, please be put down. So, yes, it happens There are many stories about what he does is a compliance officer and ok, You know it dies but, like you said he is just such a shitty person again he's a serial killer. these obviously got something wrong with them, to put it mildly. But it's just this pattern behaviour. He does not care about these people
no at all, and these are his neighbors. This is his community. I actually thought that he went after Dolores January 19th, one thousand nine hundred and ninety one. I thought the This point. There were more rumours of people trying to take credit for the BT, K, murders and more media attention to it, and that's what sort of drew him out of hiatus once again, five years later, made him come out and target Dolores Davis he went somewhere changed his clothes. He parks a few blocks away and he's trying to figure out a way into her home, any he's having a hard time. He can't figure it out and he doesn't want to knock on the door cuz. He figures that she won't let a man, so he ends up finding a block and he just throws it through her back
patio door and just shatters it. She comes running out of the bedroom. He gives the speech that he's a a wanted criminal and he needs to get warmth, get some food and needs her car again. He gets the car keys and gets her to comply he goes to her. Her room goes through her things in front of her and takes personal items, May. He actually does use a mask of some sort because he pulls pantyhose over his head. Yes, which is weird because, like you said before by not wearing a mask it's here. I am your seeing me, but here he's wearing pantyhose over his face, so he he ties are up many talks with her and then he actually goes and checks on the car to see if its in order- and he behaves as if he's leaving I'm assuming too
make her calm down and then comes back and he removes the handcuffs eddies put honour, and then he is Europe, and then he, uses the pantyhose did he had and he strangled her body, says the he's gonna tire up and leave, because she, because that there is some coming a man the as they take it somewhat seriously. He doesn't want to get caught he's made this far. This is going, almost twenty years. This about has her compliant again, but then he pulls the pantyhose off his face and I think that's when she realizes wait. A minute he's not just going to tie me up and leave he's going to kill me because now she sees him, then, is that thought of? Oh, I can I d him dear this one's a little odd how he leaves he he kills her and he puts her in a blanket. Then he takes her car and he goes in dumps his belongings, his hit kid or clothing that he was using, and then it comes back
his order of things with a little off, but he puts her in the car and he goes to he's going to dump her body, but he realizes that he's missing is gone, so he has to go back there in research, the house, and he finds that one broke the back patio window. He dropped his gun when he was gaining entry to the house, so he gets his his gun back and then he gets her and dumped her under a bridge, and I think he actually takes her car back and then leaves in his car to making several trips back and forth here and if he's worried somebody's coming home, a man's coming, maybe he's getting lucky or may as lie, but This is another victim that lived not very far from him and again used the scout camp as cover. I again I think he's he's lucked out,
here. There are also several other intended victims that didn't come home. Mikey broken, do a house and waited and they never came home. So he would leave. I guess you could say near hits. Were people locked out and there is even a situation in the nineteen eighties where he was stocking women and one of I'm actually file, restraining order against him. There's a lot of Lee. Here. There is a lot of times to Dennis that. somehow were never put together. I just assume that guy would have gotten caught because he makes any mistakes right I mean there's so many risks had he takes here, but that's not it. It doesn't get caught, gets caught, indifferent way and I think it's his own egotistical arrogance that makes this house so he's he's corresponding with man name. Can
land were in he's, writing many letters to KEN and corresponding with him. I just bragging they ve kind of established a report, and he asked can, if I send you a disk, floppy disc, is there any way you can trace? This back to me can says no, it's it's untraceable, so Dennis, put some information on a floppy disk. He senses floppy disk. If you can remember back in the days of floppy discs, there were five and a quarter and three point five discs. So this was a three point. Five and Denis has no clue about technology. The guy is old school. This floppy disk when launching man gets it, they analyze it first or trying to see where its purchased you trying to do those things, but they
on that there was a deleted file from the disc a document. Probably a word document in this word document- had met a data on met, a data tag files. This dock- that they found was associated with the Lutheran church and had last edited by Dennis. So this gives law enforcement pretty much their first real need, and they go to the Lutheran church and they find that Dennis. Is the president of the council? That's how he gets caught the stupidest thing you could do on earth and he did it in The cops said now: there's no way to trace back, but, as we know, please Don't have any duty to tell the truth, and and this time I'm absolutely appreciate that can was smart enough to go along with this Dennis was
absolutely appalled that kin lied to him. He actually, I guess, lashed out and it said I I couldn't believe you would lie to me about this. Just it's just shows how detached he is from his own actions, I'm sure he would consider himself a wonderful father, I'm sure he would can to him a good Christian, and here this man just lied to him, and this is blown his and while he was sitting in an interrogation with the police officers, said. Am I gonna be here for a while, and they said yeah, it's gonna be a bit and he said: can you go ahead and mark my? My coffee, mug with Bt Kay said, and get mixed up with your guises. This
this level of just ego. I'm gonna go into his book and some other things is there anything you want to add about this capture before we do that. I know a lot of people laugh just thinking how stupid he looks getting caught this way, but I feel like one of the things we wanted to accomplish with the episode is to show the sky locked out a lot yeah so you can say with a meticulous planner, but I dont know how good a planner he was. I mean it, times are you show up and didn't have the right kit with him even said that Kevin Breit wouldn't have survived? If he had his kid with him, he was using items in the house to bind them with, and that's how Kevin get loose to me. It was bound to happen sooner or later it was locked, like you kept saying it's locked that he made it that far, it truly is Dennis offers to write a book offers to be analyzed by psychologists.
whatever, and he allows all the proceeds of this book all the profits to go to the victims, families He thinks he's doing the world a favor doing this. He thinks he's a good guy and he says how can you society condemned me? I was worn a shark or venomous snake and is just part of nature. I was born to kill- and this is my natural instinct, so analyze me in all make right make good on the wrongs. Don, not associating the fact that the only reason why he is allowed to write this book or he is capable writing this book- is because he's murdered people and all the proceeds he can't ACT on it. It was his mind boggling to me that he is trying to justify this. He serving ten consecutive lifespan says, and the Eldorado Correctional Facility in Kansas, and He is spending all of those in solitary confinement. So he
Sl Twenty three hours a day. Only Have one hour of outdoor time or physical time where you can Her size is only allowed three chow where's a week. He's act they are fairly well behaved in not a lot of disciplinary action. I think he had a male something with male were heeded. mailed somebody or somebody mailed Amman did something there, but with his good behaviour he is able to. Jesus tvs and radios and and watch stuff a lot of it victims, families are not cool. With this Sure a lot of them wished he would have been put to death, but at the time he committed
murders. That was no death penalty in Kansas, so he gets spend the rest of his life in prison. That is a question. There are some that theorize that he may have committed murders while there was a death penalty, but that he won't confess to those because it would put them in danger, so I just assumed you would confess to all of them because he When you watches statement in court, I mean he's so matter of fact that at the same time you can see that glee of I did this and he owns it. absolutely likes this fact. There was a female serial killer, name, Dana Sue Gray that sent beat K, a hand painted postcard and said we have a lot in common and Denis gave that postcard away to author Scott Bonn and said here. You can have this.
This woman thought she was in my league, but she only killed three people snap. My leg just says something to him in his mentality there, and currently Stephen King, is deciding to write a new novel, a good marriage but even announced that it was inspired by a writer in the history of Bt K and Denis Raiders daughter in his Emily, who has remained silent and pretty much hides from the media, because I'm sure it's a circus for them. But his daughter came out in is decrying this, because she's, like you're you're, profiting off the victims, She considers the rate or family the eleventh victim because they had to live with this. They have to deal with their father being a serial killer, and I get her point. But at the same time this is such a huge thing that any murder like
They they say that Hannibal. You know from science lambs he's based off Jeffrey Dahmer, just Horror movie any slasher flick and you can show you know Texas Chainsaw massacre at gain. There are so many times here that it's just hard to its as unavoidable. I guess I get her anger, though. Do you have any input on that feelings on it, I'm not in her position. As an outsider, I see it. Is it's not really material. You don't own this unit, if you wanna, be upset with solemn, be upset with your dad, but Ghana, not in her position and her feelings are very real. I can't say she's wrong goods is it's gonna happen and sorry, it's happening to her, but there's no there's no way you can stop it. You can tell people to boycott is, but employed by him, but even if and if he never announced this is inspired by would it ever have been an issue? I don't know
yes, she may never have known, but but she struggled with who her dad is her, am, I didn't even know he was the killer until he confessed when he started investing, that's when they said. Oh, my god and people and that unbelievable growing. How could you not know that your father is a serial killer? They didn't. Well, there was one moment they think back, and there is a moment. the sun pistol, off somehow and he started choking him and they had a break that up- and you know they look back at that now and think wow- we got a glimpse of them in hindsight. It all looks so clear, but when you're in it, this is your father, you love him and he loves you and he was for all accounts. He was. He was a good dad. He was a good scout He was a good precedent of the lutheran church. He stayed busy have some as all he's rang around. He stocking people on killing them or he's going.
School. He has a job. Here is a family housing. sitting there in what we know that he was able to hear, but he was multitasking. He would stop people while he was supposed to be working when they captured him. He had a list people he locked onto mean he wasn't stopping. We had a date chosen to for his next kill Next attack subscribe on Apple podcast, Spotify or wherever you're listening right now join wondering plus in the wondering app to listen ad free
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