Amherstburg, Ontario Canada. November 12th, 2005. In 2002 nurse Lori Dupont met physician Marc Daniel at the Hotel Dieu Grace Hospital where they both worked. What started off as a secret romantic affair turned into a public tumultuous relationship for all of their coworkers and family to witness. Marc Daniel had a history of toxic and abusive behavior not only with Lori, but with other nurses at the hospital. Incidents of stalking and harassment escalated, and on November 12th, 2005 Marc Daniel did the unthinkable.
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into all the details on it and tell this week when we were researching it and much less
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this kind of run by their own rules
they're, not always there to protect their employees so with fat. What are we talking about tonight?
tonight. We're talking about the two thousand five murder of nurse lorry Du Pont inside
hospital. She worked at by her ex boyfriend now her ex
friend was a practice
physician at this hospital. They work together, but we have to give up
background to get everyone up to speed
it on how we get to this point
Laurie Du Pont- was a single mother
she had an eight year old daughter named Taylor. She had been
at this hospital for five years and she had ten years experience as a nurse. The hospital was
hotel de grace
I guess lorry was at a low point in her life when she met Doktor Mark Daniel her marriage
had been struggling. Her ex husband at the time had moved the family out to the Yukon and there
trying to rekindle their marriage, but it just didn't work out,
Laurie ended up. Moving back in her own power
in this house, with her daughter at that time so grown
adult having to move back in with mom and dad
it's it's a low point and she got hired at hotel.
he's an she immersed herself and preparing
Get a position in the post
Caesar Carry unit or the p c. You apparently.
he's a very coveted position in the hospital lorry past.
Oliver exams and got hired and that's when Doktor Mark Daniel and her met. Now
mark showed her a lot of interest from the get go,
by lorry knew that he was married and had children, so she
dances, but he didn't stop now
This bothered her and she actually talk to one of her friends who happen to be a constable.
named Tammy Friar,
told her about this doctor, whose hitting honor
said: hey you, gotta reported
the hospital administration, but lorries thinking he's a doctor,
I'm a nurse you do that, because all kinds of problems and
one that's gonna, get in trouble, not him, but eventually Laurie
let him into her life and they started dating. Ah
this was in two thousand and three. She said that
She was getting out of her slump because you know she was going through
separation, divorce with her Ex husband and mark really liked her. She
tell her parents or her friends a lot about this relationship, because she knew that mark was still married. So technically this was an affair
but eventually mark
MR like on separating with my wife. You know everything's going to be over soon, so this
a lorry enough. I guess some comfort to allow mark to meet her her mother and repair,
France, but lorries mom, wasn't the biggest.
and of Mark she thought that he was very arrogant and pompous. I've never heard
That said, about, surgeons are physicians before, but Mark
will end up moving out of his family home into it.
Are meant to be closer to lorry.
now whether this move from his family into an appeal.
That is him separating with his wife or deception in him, telling
wife. I need to be closer to the hospital. I don't know
it's kind of weird how that works out in to them.
and for lorry
wanted to get a house and am Hearst Burke. This would be
You know in the same areas her parents,
damn she want to have a home for herself and her daughter by it
Laurie. Wasn't Gary.
T that she was gonna get this house that she really wanted. So she needed to raise her offer on that house and Mark said,
no problem. I can help you with that. This home was
more than two hundred and thirty thousand dollars, and he gave her a hundred and eighty
five thousand dollars toward the home
lorries said. Let's be clear here, though, I need this
used to be, in my name, the way
look at it. It's going to be my home and tailors home, that's her daughter,
damn he seemed to be ok with that. But things were not
going well, it's well those
where there is still a kind of together and everything, but there is obviously
pension. There are some issues there, but
as two thousand for mark and lorry move
In that house. It said that Taylor wasn't too happy
having mark in the house now, a few months after this Lori and Mark
Officially became engaged. Now a lot of people didn't know about this.
time, but they did get engaged and they had a private party on the twenty first of November of two thousand
for now. Lorries family knew about this and they didn't like it, because Mark was technically sound.
oh married, but
like what you said he's,
on the way to getting this divorce. It'll all be fine, Laurie
I think she has her doubts because she didn't
where her ring all the time. This
gazing ring that Mark Aver, and this is just going down
hill from here marks behind
Europe is becoming more and more aggressive and
these finding out about a lot,
stuff from marks past that isn't isn't the best.
For instance, Mark, has a lot of problems at work and
the other nurses dont, really
for him. They think that he's either
very hostile or he's
sexually harassing them. So he's not my
the team player and nurse
her shifts to not work with him, but
heres a list of things that the hospital has started
Dick on Mark up. Until this point in April of two thousand and four he
she broke a nurses finger when he snatched a pillow from her hands but uses
aggressive about it in
moon of two thousand for a nurse filed a formal grievance against him, citing ongoing harassment, and then a nurse
manager made a written formal complaint against him for another incident in October of two thousand and four
was threatened with suspension if he did not attend a resolution over his behaviour towards the nurse manager, then, in December two thousand for
had to write an apology letter to that manager and then
In January he was put on a one year, probation up hospital, and was
to unroll and anger management courses now
obviously mark is having problems, and
Laurie is now seeing this and she's wanting to leave him she's wanting to
this relationship, but of course she feels
and with them, because he's
given all this money for this house and he's been,
per kind to her for the most part up until these last few months, but every time she's
to engage with him. It turns into a fight and she's, not
bring about her appearance and she starts drinking and not
caring about the relationship, but it's in February in
thousand five that lorry attempts to break up with
and when she
hold him that she wanted to end the relationship they got into.
He left the house because
the screaming at each other and when she returned Mark,
was lying there unconscious and apparently he had
tried to overdose himself or something
There is a needle there, and so she ends up
calling man when one or emergency services and
get mark to the hospital
They save his life. There
stories here. Essentially because marks version of the story, as people understood it was that he
attempted to take his life and lorry called for
help when she saw that there is something wrong
with them and
that, when he woke up this is about
hospital on February, twenty eight. He said
Laurie was very supportive and told them that everything would be ok, that things would get back.
But according to lorry people, that she talked to market put. All
pressure on her to quit her full time job. He wanted her to be a part time nurse and he had even offered to pay her to help him with paperwork. He wanted her at home. More now, I'm sure people can
guess what this means. He wants more control over her
She doesn't want to quit her job. There are all these arguments that sprout up over this and
when she storm now. She just left him there now when she got back out
later he was sitting on the bed and
syringe in his hand, he headed up. You know on his arm. He shouted see what you ve done
and then injected himself with that syringe. So he falls over
and apparently went into respiratory failure. Laurie,
calls emergency services and all
though her mother, who is also a registered nurse- and they both took turns before
bring rescue breathing trying to keep him in
I've until the paramedics arrived
There were suicide letters written to marks, wife and kids by Mark
and lorry. Look through them. These letters blamed her for this suicide attempt. Now, because of this attempt
Mark was admitted to a psychiatric hospital and he was put on
Medical leave lorry took leave as well Marks psychiatrist, Doktor, Brian Bird
diagnosed him with Bible
or disorder and proscribed him.
any of you are in a relationship and your partner
is threatening suicide if you ever leave them. That, technically is a
of abuse and
not telling you that you should leave them, but
telling you that they need to seek help, and it is not on you if they decide to take their own life and
This is just one more way of mark
trying to control her. Personally,
that he knew she was going to save him. I mean he did inject himself,
he was going to die if you didn't get medical help, but I think that he knew that she wouldn't let that happen. This is something that I think people take
granted, but nurses, doctors. You know what
We know about them, as they will do their best, at least the vat
the jury them.
To save a life and this guy
You can understand how tough this was. Lorry had huge
shoes with Mark, and we haven't even gotten into the house stuff. Yet there's a lot more there to break down, but she still saved his life.
and this is just a testament to the nurses.
Laurie is finally being
open with her family about what's happening about their fighting,
and she even confides in them that she fears for her and her daughters, life and safety
while Mark, is at this psychiatric hospital, he's trying to call lorry every day
as many times as he can
Laurie will end up switching to an unlisted phone number,
he changes all the locks on the doors. So Mark is not welcome home here, but it's not until March Dat
is released from these psychiatric unit and he action
returns home to his wife and children. I guess they
went on their way to a divorce because they,
going on a cruise while on this cruise pair
Mark is continuing.
To call lorry and even call
her friends to get information about. Her son
stock irish behaviour March, twenty first
returns to work
has gone to the hospital, and
around about her when she
He goes out for dinner with friends and stuff. She comes back
car in fine
a letter from mark waiting. There
so he's, leaving her letters on her car and he's
asking everyone that he can about
her behaviour and what she's doing
This is very very
controlling and I think, a huge red flag. But Mark
even though he's kind of honest suspension he?
still has his security pass to the hospital, so he can still get in
still gain access to nurses,
yeah and people that he can talk to
ask about lorries schedule so then,
I am now because at this point he had some complaints about.
him, but then they were resolved with him, going to anger management courses and being on probation his
suicide attempt well dad didn't get him in trouble that just got his
privileges revolt, but they don't look at him.
Threat, I guess so here we are so this.
where I would say pause, because I realise that this sector you worked in was different by
It's not really that different have. You could have worked at a hospital justin. You should talk a bit about what
The procedure is when privilege,
our revoked yeah, so when Europe
ledges revoked you're, no longer able to practice at that hospital. You cannot treat people
so why his security badge is still working
and functioning is completely stupid. He still a doctor. He still contract
did with the hospital, but he's not allowed to work there, so
us he's invited their specific
for a meeting or something like that. He does
belong on the property, and this is just
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lorries feeling like. Maybe she didn't make this clear enough to mark you know she didn't
spell it out for him so April. Fourth, two thousand and five Laurie.
And her father John Deeper meet with mark and informed
The relationship is over and
He is no longer welcome in her life. This is if there was any day
or confusion before this there isn't now
not want him in her life, so yeah, but loan
hold the next day. Mark shows up at the hospital and he blocks her path, the intent,
it's her, I mean this is all getting.
port it back to the hospital,
and lorries, try
her administration, like I'm
seeing this guy
he's intimidating me he's leaving stuff
my car. Why is he
Oh here, meanwhile,
a hospital checks in
mark and his psychiatrist. What do they say? Earn the psychiatrist, Brian Burke, he says,
there's no cause for him to not be back at work anymore?
she's back at the hospital and well he wins
I don't know he Windsor they just there are not ready to battle anybody on this or another.
Where there are not really on lorry side. Yeah the following day
Laurie finds a copper
rising photo of herself on her car and
photo is of her work,
close on in a bathroom the next day, more
shows up again at the hospital and threatens her,
and her father that he'll plaster photos of lorry in compromising positions all over the hospital and city. If you
repay the money that he invested in the home. The hundred and eighty five thousand dollars that he put down for the house and all of these photos-
like lorry in the shower or her on a toilet, it's not
photos that she consented to have him take and he's trying to buy
male, her now
so lorry now go
to the Nurses Association Union and meets with
management and head of security. Should
them all about these threats against her and her father. She tells
about the photos in the letters that are being laughed and
she sang like. I fear that mark is capable of violence, so the hospital puts out like a
flyer saying, hey, have
Security, remove him if he causes any problems, but that's
really good enough for lorries, so she goes out to get a restraining order or what's called a piece bond up in Canada against Mark
when you do this, the person
we're getting this restraining order against. They can fight it. They can chopsticks
and say hey this is this: is Bs Kanda marks
up with a lawyer, casino he's a doctor. He can afford it and keeps push
that hearing back over and over and over again so she's
for really able to get this peace bond going again.
Because it's just one
after another. A continuance because the lawyers are doing their thing on April. Nineteen, two thousand five
hospitals administration met to discuss the doktor Danny,
situation. They were talking about
safety measures and his breach of probation. Now
He was on probation for a year, so we
he's doing these things to me. I know you can't just fire a doktor or fire a physician, but if you're on probate
and then you keep screwing up. I would just assume
You have some form of recourse but
do during this meeting. Is they finally revoked his security?
age. So he could no longer access gospel
because you know there is not hundreds of
bill coming and going inside of a hospital too
are anything you know you can't just walk into a hospital without a security batch like it's just my numbing to me that, after a year,
this going on their fine
just now deactivate
in his security batch and this really
just denies him access to the sections of the hospital he was working in. You can still Walker he can still
follow behind somebody threw security doors I mean since not
this isn't rocket science here, but so it's really at this point
when the hospital says. Ok, here's are you now copy,
our harassment policy here you should read through this. You should
really document anyway,
the things tat you know, come up anything you're concerned about, and the hospital chief of staff on April, twenty
I suggest that mark take a leave of absence. I mean he's already
probation he's already on suspension. So I'm just baffled here like
leave of absence. I just
would assume that he was already on one of those, but this
what they suggest the before they had suggested that you take a leave, of course, are they had their hats
suspended him, and they told him he needed anger management courses, but you know that didn't work, another suggesting it. You know he's
a leave of absence. This is almost like a not quite half hearted attempt to suggest they go get help, but
that really what's going on here
If I may, sixth, when Mark psychiatrist says he
should be able to return at the beginning of June
damn well, the hospital seems to agree because on May thirty, first marks back at work.
Now he has a lighter schedule, suppose it
He is supervised. The hospital then offers
or a security. We're gonna go out the parking lot. Then you
be escorted, thereby security.
Sure you're, ok and
We even have a parking spot neck
to the security office that you can use Aaron, can we please,
on that for a second. If your
having to assign
security to one of your employees to protect them from another employee.
Just assume that if you try
We believe that one of you
employees is doing,
there is enough that you
to have security, intervene, debt that employ
they would no longer be at the hospital dat.
It's my own common sense speaking, but I guess common senses and so common. Let me put it this way. I think, given what we
How about this case? There's a real possible
Eddie here that their trial
to show concern for lorry, not so
completely by what she's been telling them.
say what I'm saying, they're they're just saying: hey will assign some security for you, but we don't actually believe there's a problem. This is what
I would say, I would say that there are saying we understand lorry is scared
as concerns. We will try to help
her with that. We recognize
eyes that something's going on with mark. He probably could use some help, so were
recommending things for him, but we really don't
and he would
harm anyone so
you already mentioned that nurses had even requested different shifts and indifference.
Angels to get away from mark? Well the Hoss
supposedly offered lorry schedules
How is she
Klein those offers. Well, why does
have to be the one to change her schedule. Why is she the one ass to inconvenience herself
for somebody else's bad behaviour, and this is my prob.
With a lot of corporate Amerika and hospitals is somebody reports that there be.
sexually harassed, and then there are the ones that are now working a second shift, not the harasser and this just foes.
How these things are normally dealt with? I'm not surprised at All- and this is a real power-
and just so everyone understands the hospital is making
a grave error here. So the hospital,
question that Mark signed a memorandum of agreement,
he's gonna sign this, and this is what he's agreeing to he's going
beyond probation he's going to
by the rules-
of the hospitals, harassment policies he's gone,
to obey the code of conduct for those who
at the hospital and he will,
anger management therapy. I thought we already did the sir. I thought he
but he had done all of these things, but now he signing off on his just in this is official. This is official
he renews his annual licence and he gets back for privileges at the house
and he is reinstated and the hospital didn't
feel the need to inform lorry or any of the other nurses that had filed, comply
it's an grievances against him. That guess what surprise he's back lorry Du Pont and form-
the hospital administrators that she
don't need these
Kennedy, escorts, anymore, Gwig,
try and dissect this and figure out why she made this choice, but
those who knew her believe that she was pressured to give it up because
the hospital made. It seem like
we're getting special treatment, and so
rather than continue down that road, she decided. Look. I don't I don't
de Security escorts from the parking lot to the hospital and marks
behavior continues June, two thousand and five,
he is accused of cigarettes,
stating that a nurse give him a back rub naked yeah, that's totally appropriate
a few days later, he was accused of kissing
another nurse, you bent over to speak to him and then
the following months. Another
Yours said that he was acting very weird and rubbing her arm dies.
To be on probation. He
signed his little name on that form, saying that you know he understood the harassed.
Policy, but we have three
since that happen after that, and no
disciplinary action, nothing for mark, but it's
the summer of two thousand and five, where mark is now going to sue lorry over this house that,
but the home cost two hundred and thirty five
some dollars Mark contributed a hundred and eighty five thousand of that
glory was going to pay him back well, sheep miss
that deadline and mark filed
claim seeking three hundred thousand dollars in damages plus entry,
and legal costs. So at that point, lorry paid him back.
a hundred and seventy thousand dollars. With a note-
I'm her lawyer that the additional
ten thousand would be paid upon,
on surrender of all compromising photos of Laurie, I bet that
over real well with mark right. Well, first saw I'm discuss
said that she would have to pay to get these compromises.
photos given over to her
I dont understand this. Will I do here? I do because she wanted it in writing in the court's. That's why she did that. I mean
I think it's disgusting that she would have to pay for them, but
think she wanted it on the record, and that was a a move there to be to say, hey
gimme, the other ten thousand. Once you give all these photos back because now you have to admit that you have them.
Her stand. Whatever reason,
I come up with I'm saying it's disgusting.
this is how it has to be. I dont think
He cares that this is how it is. I don't think he has any shame about this. Justin he's gonna get
brand to hand over these images. I don't think this is causing him a problem at all and, of course
during any civil case you have all these hearings and you have to give depositions and mark.
denies everything he denies that he's ever threatened lorry or her daughter or her dad he denied.
Is that he even pursue
Laurie in an attempt to start the relationship, backup like everything that he's done.
Denies so he's going on the record, saying no nope nope, we had a bad break up and
it now you wonder who really has a voice here, so this
all going on over the summer August, eleventh of two
thousand and five a fellow physician
not a nurse, but a peer of marks noted that mark was on the edge and he
saw that he was staring and stocking lorry and he noted
something is not right with him his nerve.
made a similar observation
Few days later, another physician reported some day.
Mark is going to come in here and go postal if your pure
We are saying that I think
come in here and in kill everybody.
We're just assume that a problem, but when we check in with the Doktor Burke Mark Sir Psychiatrist, he says that marks mood and condemn
we are improving and he's responding well to the medication October to them
and five. A nurse reports that mark is acting weird and staring at Laurie
Told her manager that she didn't want to work with mark anymore. She
change her shifts or work in different parts of the hospital and again Doktor Burke, says Doc.
Daniels returned to work has been unremarkable
would later claim-
he never knew about any of the complaints against mark, guess, Mark never told him never disclose that
and this doctor isn't doing his due diligence and looking into his patient either. But I think by this point,
Laurie has just given up she. Did
security to follow around anymore and checks
they put in an application
for a part time position at another hospital. I think
she's starting to
move out of here, because her life is
turned into hell, because at this doctor, while and the lack of support from the hospital,
she reports that on November third Markets
staring at her and tried to bump into her lorry would take no
and document. All of this, just like the hospital told her after they handed her the you know the policy for harassment so
as notes and documentation of all of this and lorry would move on
and she actually started a relationship with another man who
A fire fighter named Norbert, hurt she
and out that she was pregnant social,
finalized, her plans for a d
for crews with her family they're gonna, go on
occasion. She planet
getting married on the ship in January, and she
this engagement a secret because-
She didn't want guess who defend?
not about it.
Does she knew it would enrage him now its November twelve
two thousand and five that lorry depart is scheduled to work,
and she happens to be scheduled to work with Doktor Mark Daniel that day, because the hospital apparently just has disregarded
Everything that happened up until this point and they're not going to even
any attempt to separate these two. How does
so I am not well. Lorry got the hospital at eight
seventeen and the nurses change area. A nurse told Vivian Baton, T that Mark Daniels was
there now baby and was pretty upset because
all these nurses have been trying to keep these two way,
each other, so it's like
as Mark here, Vivian's of puff,
end of of lorries, I any their coworkers their friends, and she knows the deal so
only people in this region
every area are Vivian Lorry and a desk clerk and dumb mark.
Entered the hospitals, recovery, room
nine in the morning and ass. He approached the front desk Laurie
when I turned away she just ignored him so marks talking,
Vivian and he's
staring down lorry wise talking to Vivian, so Vivian
she doesn't want to be. She doesn't want to talk to this doctor.
And she said the alarm is ready for you
He leaves through a set of doors and these
women assumed that he's he's gone and that's ok. For now so long
over two way. An area where supplies are kept and
he's going pass these pillars that are in the middle of the recovery room and
he does mark sudden
jumps out and starts stabbing her. He is like up a bayonet, its
military knife that he's brought with him and he just
completely unprovoked. No warning is attacking her and lorry screams out for help course. Vivian sees what's happening more
GA stabs lorry several times and then
casually walks away
Karibbean runs over and tries to treat law,
stab wounds. She dials
five, five to reach the hospitals operator and
she's putting out a a code white, which means that there is
disturbed, patient or family member. That's causing problems in the hospital handle this
is a little confusing for people because their thinking well, this is the rule
Hungary room. That's a strange location for a code white, because
Most people are in recovery. There, though you passed out from you, know that
drugs at their on, and so this is very confusing. But then
She calls and another one. That's a code blue and
This is for
a major emergency and all hands on deck get down here now, while my
walking away. This code blue, gets called in
and everyone's rushing to this area. One of these doctors sees Mark and says, hey Mark, there's a code, Blue Ike.
are you walking that way when the troubles over here but Mark just kept walking away and
no one seemed to really noticed the blood on Hammer dat
he was walking
from you know. Us
having cause it's a hospital, he just leaves the hospital
he gets in his car need trial
to a parking lot. That's facing the Detroit River he'll, make a phone call to his wife and tell her that he's suicidal shocks
police and dumb they'll be dispatched to that parking lot
but by the time they show up market.
Already injected himself and
unconsciousness car in the police find his car
they break in he's unresponsive. They take him back to the hospital to
read it, I can only imagine earn if he's in,
the e r room right next to lorry Father, both being treated dont
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didn't live very long. Unfortunately, she died a few minutes
after being brought in. She had defined
save wounds on our arms. There were seven knife wounds in her upper chest in back, three of which were fatal
to those were in the heart and it appear
that she died of blood loss,
friar. He mentioned earlier. She was at the
police station. When someone approached her about it
for who stabbed the nurse and die
that goes. She knew about
lorries issues with mark, and so she placed a call to Barbara Dupont and barbarous
you should try calling lorry at home well Norbert answered, and he said
lorries at the hospital he's like what's going on
and time is that I don't have time to talk. Essentially,
bosses who confirmed that lorry Du Pont was the victim and
Barbara. John Pont were taking care of lorries daughter Taylor when the police,
officers told them what happened now. Mark is still alive because he is being treated for
This overdose and the police are
planning on arresting him once he recovered.
November, fifteenth he will end
passing from this overdose buddy
a blessing for a little while now
personally air and I think that if a situation like this happened, a hospital or hell's gonna break,
be this huge review and inquest in all these things and they're gonna
change everything about their policies and behaviour right, ah well, in this
you'd be wrong November. Six
in two thousand five NEO Mac, a boy he was the c o and president of this hospital here,
for a view of events and on November twenty two thousand five. He wrote
her Bill Mara, formally request
or a view from the hospital bored. So they
the meeting on that
a third of that month and there is a council appointed and there is a fact fight
review. Apparently that would be conducted in connection with the deaths now
We just got done saying that wasn't going to happen, but you have to let us finish: feverishly
for two thousand sex. I depart
family lawyer announced a thirteen point: five million dollar negligence lawsuit that was filed against the hospital Mark Daniels Estate and his
like I addressed it's basically
winning out all the failures, and there are many
People named in this lawsuit? Then? I kind of, Inter,
read this hospital. Do
a review of their own accountability
order to fight the lawsuit
don't actually see this review of their own policies and standards. As how can we do better? I think it's. How do we absolve ourself of responsibility?
February twenty two thousand and six, the Windsor police, who
had been doing their own review, concluded.
there wasn't enough evidence to lay any criminal negligence charges now this is from
We understand and what's been reported, but the police department tried to conduct
criminal investigation into the
spittle, but the hospital
refuse to cooperate and refuse to give them
information. Now we get this information from Barber Du Pont. But if you think about it, who was held responsible here, no one the killer is dead
and its business as usual at the hospital, the
special releases. I report calling
worries murder on
foreseen event that would have been
impossible to predict. Can you
that one more time please
unforeseen event. That would have been impossible to predict now
There was dozens of comply,
its filed against the sky mould
physicians. If you don't want to take a nurses word for because apparently in the hospital world, their considered second class, but there were more
or physicians. That also documented his bizarre behaviour and even said one day he's gonna shopped work NGO Postal, but this is
an unforeseen of it.
stand that nobody expects the worst nobody
expecting someone to shop to hospital and start stabbing somebody, but when there is a pattern of behaviour, aggressive behaviour,
sexual harassment, intimidation. You would think that they could have dealt with this long before I got to this point, but
the presidency of the hospital Mcelroy. He said
did we do what we could do, knowing what we do
beforehand? I believe the answer is. Yes, he saying they did everything they could have nope,
I would strongly disagree with that statement myself, but they could have fired this doctor. You would think you would
Think again. This is something we ve seen in many cases where there
unknown behaviour pattern by
abuser by a stalker and the people who could
do something about this. Who had the position of power and authority to do something about? It did not act appropriately.
And so what it does is it empowers that person took
ten you and escalate their behaviour and again this
something that we ve seen over time,
It's not new, so they're calling it
unforeseen event and
I would just say, have we learned nothing. This
can happen in nineteen. Seventy four, this isn't
two thousands, and this
in Canada. I know listening to,
doktor death a lot of those are in America.
Seems that the hospital structure is very similar and it
It's always interesting to me because you hear physician
and surgeon say man. If I messed up, you know my job would be
jeopardy year. Oh, it is,
and you know I could get written up- and there is a perception that there is accountability
but I would say when it's actually tested when threats
hits the road and ok. Somebody is messing up. Well as all this red tape and bureaucracy too
discipline, a doctor or a physician.
Literally allows them to get away with the most bizarre and horrible behaviour and even get away with murder, I I can't make that any clear,
the bureaucracy and policies of hospitals allow people to get away with murder and that needs to change
it's possible that their hospitals that have accountability,
if you report sexual harassment, something is done
when you see something so blatantly, as this lorry Du Pont case, where this
after was able to stock and harass her at any time there was pushed back on the hospital they just packed up and said sure he can. He can work again hell
what else are you left with other then? While four can happen,
It could happen anywhere, so I dont want to give the impression
this happens everywhere, but damn
doesn't give me a lot of confidence now. I dont believe
that happens everywhere. I think that most people are good people. Most doctors are good people there. They had to fight tooth and claw and get
a ton of education and student loans and what not to get to the position therein. I think nine
nine percent of people are good, but it's that
any fraction of a per cent of the troublemakers that seem to slip
through the cracks and seem to be protected by
rocker c and policy and high
just think that it's a no brainer like you know, if, if
I went to work and her
somebody had probably get
written warning and be put.
Probation. If it happened again,
I wasn't fired the first time. I would be fired the second time
I would just assume that's how it works. The sky had dozens dozens of a complaint
not just from lorry. He was
our position now then you don't say
and that's what seems to happen in a way.
It's a high powered, how
were producer. Some big
whose journalists we go down the list but seems like the higher
up? You are now the more passed
It is for you fail you're, too valuable.
Thirteen million dollar lawsuit is,
a lot more than buying a trip.
some physician out of their contract with hospital.
Amount on believe
causing you thou much trouble. There are solutions here so
There is this ten weak inquest in September, two thousand seven it was seeking
gradations from the coroner's office, and
worries colleagues testified during this inquest: a workplace safety expert.
Did eighty four Miss chances for the hospital to take disciplinary action against doktor, Mark Daniel Jostling. Think about that
Eighty four miss chances now
a number on it. I've been down,
doing it by saying dozens. That's
more than dozens right December.
Two thousand seven a format.
Jerry release. Twenty six recommendations
one of them had to do at the Occupational Health and Safety ACT. They said it should be
expanded to include sexual harassment and abuse as grounds to refuse work there.
Dacians proposed that
our safety and quality care should,
the most important factors in the workplace above a physicians right to practise. This is
on that point, I made earlier
physician was too important to hospital.
That's why they don't want to mess with em
Another saying you need to take.
if everyone at this hospital and the Need
The many here outweigh the needs of this.
one person who is
causing all the trouble. Just a year later, the Ontario Nurses Association made their own recommendations for the hospital and they pursued this aggressively Ontario
pass legislation in April of two thousand eight
This is something that lorries
two and say for all the time
will things that happened. My daughter there's something
They came out of this tragedy, which is the
patient health and Safety ACT,
Bill one sixty eight this act recur.
employers to do risk assessed
and on workplace violence and requirements
lawyers to alert staff to possible violent patients. So, even though Lorry Du Pont died, this terrible death
bill one sixty eight hopes to correct this.
situation so that doesn't happen to someone else. I think it's a good thing:
glad they ve done this, and I am very happy that her mother
sees this as a silver lining or something positive that come out of this? I am
I'm sorry, I'm just jaded at this point are I'm unlike what isn't it
this common sense isn't is how
a company or hospital? Isn't this just what?
should do why do we need a law
Why do? We need a new policy
comes to harassment when it comes to
intimidation when it comes to somebody that literally assaulted people at work, I am just blew
in a way that we needed something to fix this problem, people are unequal. That's why.
The physician was more important than the nurses,
No other way to put this case, this law,
that it would equalize their value.
The sad thing about it. So, in other words, there
fishing causing problems there,
actually harassing nurses will now then
can be in trouble. Finally, this makes it official
now the employers they have to alert
staff to what's going on so if
one. Sixty eight had existed and Lorry Dupont was going through her trouble. Well, everyone
would have been made aware of what the doktor was doing and I think
the gas by think it would have empowered more people to come forward
the more than it already had, because they would
the law they would know
rules the hospital would have back those rules up. They are required to back those rules up
Unfortunately, in this case, it really felt like the hospital didn't respect gloried upon enough
He wasn't a value here. They didn't
and acknowledge the problem, even after
someone was murdered inside their hospital? They depart family.
A really wanted. This case tourism.
in the hospital being held accountable, the doktor who
or their beloved daughter
MR etc. He couldn't be
the carnival, but the hospital Shirley had to face some consequences right, but
the Ministry of Labour said we don't have such power to him,
the gate. You would think that
the ministry labour is above all of this, but apparently
again there is a bureaucratic loophole that doesn't give him the authority doesn't give you
Ministry labour D
restriction here. There was a settlement reached with the Dupont family with the hospital on January. Fourth, twenty two
and by the amount was never disclosed
damn now, eight, we ve talked before
thus in about sexual harassment, indifferent cases, but this one.
Really highlights why we need to take
These things seriously because they can
culminate. Murder. If you don't stop these perpetrators, it can go this far. It's a possibility and if
don't do what you're supposed to do as an employer as the authority. Then this is welcome.
Happen as just too bad that too many people are
since a power. Well, if there are
aid to do something. They won't bother there more worried about how they look and
They don't realize that their behaviour
causes us to look at them and judge them
a nice bilbil say the hospital did what it could it stepped up immediately.
And the only reason lorry died, is because the doktor
pull some shenanigans in
Tis way in or something now eight. They never sought to get rid of him. So they
him to contain
to go to work in common
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