September 1, 2015. Fox Lake, Illinois. On the morning of September 1st, Police Lt. Gliniewicz radioed dispatch a number of times after he saw some suspicious men. Before 8am he acknowledged that he would like a second unit sent to his location; off a gravel road by an old concrete plant. Officers in three different cars raced to the location and arrived in minutes only to find Lt Gliniewicz face down and deceased. Authorities began a manhunt for the three men the downed officer had radioed dispatch about. But as time went by, the narrative of the situation began to change and hidden truths began to be revealed. What exactly happened that morning and what really happened to Lt. Joe Gliniewicz? Join us as we discuss a strange case where appearances can be deceiving.
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army veteran and police. Lieutenant Joe glinda wits
Who was killed in the line of duty on September first, two thousand and fifteen.
Probably many of you who live in Illinois who know this story, you have heard of the name, lieutenant joke
In a way, it's a k, a g I joe for the rest of you, though, we're going to try to tell the story
In chronological order for you and peel
this onion one layer at a time takes place. Sept
First, twenty fifteen in fox, like illinois. That's a village in
aunt and Antioch townships, inlaid county illinois, that's about
sixty miles north of chicago Charles Joseph. When awaits was
born on august, twenty fifth nineteen sixty three
in libertyville illinois he was called
I Joe were was nick
gee, I joe because obviously his background with the army and
see this guy he's got the crew Kurt totally locked in tight, very intense
aura about him of I'm in charge, and I'm going
inspire you to do whatever
whatever our mission is everybody very much looked up to him.
Was employed at the fox lake police department, but he had
in the: u s: army from eighty one to two
in seven he had
commendation metals achieve
metals just a whole litany. There's like a paragraph right here, but just now that he was highly decorated. As a rookie cop, he began helping out the fox lake police explores club this
as a group for youth that wanted to pursue a career
in law enforcement was conway
aren t see sort of thing. We are like a junior, our rotc, so they would
teach these kids. How to press
uniform. Had a march hadda do first,
just a whole new things, and it gave the kids there something the do
the focus on, especially if there were troubled
it was sort of a boot camp for them it was
really great organization in the
three of nineteen. Eighty nine. He married a woman named melody. They were
married for twenty six years up until his death. During his
career as a police officer. He was,
assign many different roles like canine,
the sir fees
training officer. He was also a member of the swat team. He was
did to sergeant and then his fine.
Position was lieutenant joe and melted
He would have fortune
and together, Joseph Donald, Geoffrey and David Donald or die.
would eventually join the army as well. The case
Lieutenant Joe glyn awaits really kicks off kind of uneventfully and behind the scenes in march of twenty fourteen,
after serving as a police officer for a great number of years,
there is a new administrator in the village of fox lake and her name was an marin
well she started making requests of Joe and
she said: hey lieutenant, I needs me.
nation from you. I need accounting
inventory of the explorer post that you're ahead of and while the officer wasn't very cooperative,
and she would make these requests and he would say
don't bother me with that right now or I forgot, I have better things to do. I'm trying to catch criminals
They were simple requests. It just inventory and auditing real basis,
things just so she can do the taxes,
in the accounting for the police department
went on for a while, getting it
the next year, something startling happens, september, first, twenty fifth,
seen at seven o six, a m Joe stop that,
gas station, he was getting cigarettes and I guess he did this pretty much every day. He was on duty here,
supposed to go from there to the explorer post and finish
his inventoried check, because
marriage had been asking him
it made. She was suspicious because most anyone else was forthcoming with any data she needed, whereas he was somewhat combative. Seven. Twenty five Joe parked his car outside the gates,
the cement plant in the area at seven? Fifty two, a m: the lieutenant radio dispatch
sixty seven forty, I'm going to be out at the old, concrete plant checking.
Two male whites, a male black and dispatch, replied ten four,
Did you need a second unit and
Lieutenant replied negative at this time, so, instead of
owing to the explorers he went on to the concrete plant and found three suspicious in
the jewels, maybe they were evangelizing, maybe they were. I mean it's an
and in plant, but you could still be trespassing, I'm sure it's private property,
seven fifty five a m the tenant, Joe radio dispatch and
let them know that these subjects,
x or these individuals he is following took off towards the swamp and dispatch asked
did you need a second unit, and this time lieutenant Joe replied, ten four
go ahead and start somebody.
Oh, they send three difference.
Cars in his direction does its gee, I Joe, and if he says he needs backup, there are going to support him. Lieutenant Joe called in again
stating I'm off the gravel road that runs between the cement plant and honing road. Now
We understand that this area is pretty marshy air raid
and swamp at
the time of the year
a lotta greenery so dispatch we
is out again to lieutenant. Show asking him
what's your status, but they can't get a hold of them.
It's radio silence at this point now
officers are out there, they hear something, don't they just don't they
a gunshot, often the distance and it's in a really thick high grass
Take it so they go charging in after Joe
where they identified this gunshot from at eight or nine a m. There is a call to dispatch officer down, and you know
sir down, that allows the entire department they send every one
their walking through this thick thicket
I mean they found his car parked
gravel road, then,
finding his can of pepper spray and then
will that further they find his night stick or baton a little bit further. They find his body it's about two hundred feet of
area between his body and all his scattered gear? It looks like there was. A struggle, looks like
he was trying to trying to
detain or fend off
these assailants. Are they don't find his gun so now
now all the police know is they have an officer down he's missing his gun and
his last radio call was too whites one black, so they assume that these three men attacked
The lieutenant got hold of his gun, shot and killed him, and now you have three dangerous people that are armed running from the scene. So
he tried to lock down the perimeter and set up? What's called a kills zone which
was to square miles around the central location.
This is own, was sealed off. They brought in helicopter.
They brought in canine units. They brought in the full force of the fox lake police department. They even asked the public to stay indoors,
because we're after these assailants not declaring
martial law, but it's a lot,
our situation because they think that they
Three dangerous individuals on the run now now,
when you do this. The public wants to help
begin calling it said
I saw some guys here. I saw some guys there you're, so
different leads and sightings of these
three individuals and someone
the treatment plant called stating
that two subjects were near their area. They also got a call.
from a female stating that she saw two male subjects running to a vehicle.
Meanwhile, inside this perimeter, this kill zone, they had multiple officers search
It was really high mean it was a very warm september on these.
his officers, their wearing full gear, their actually,
passing out from heat exhaustion. They bring in helicopters with thermal imaging cameras,
look for these assailants because now
is coming and hey. You know, if you can just scheme,
the area you don't have to go trudging.
through swamp land, to find these guys, you can just identify them on the camera. If you ve ever seen the movie predator, it's very similar. It's a flip
camera. So you can see body heat the next day september. Second of twenty fifteen. It's a sad day.
Twelve hundred residence or so of the town of fox lake showed up for
video held in lieutenant Jos honour the new
his out the assailants whoever did this to lieutenant Joe they're gone. They got away with it, at least for now. So
locals, feel a little less safe, the raw
their doors and
being all their children a little closer because there's three,
Andrews individuals out there and that night of call that seem pretty important came in
from a woman named laura to see
seem to indicate that she had been asked for a ride and she said
or two men, one. Why and one black? I guess this
indication is they are probably tied to this. This was looked into
or end up admitting that she made it up. They actually found security can
a footage in the area from it, whether be homes or like
don't see anyone asking you for a ride, so
Why are you saying this to us so yeah, but again, there's all these
calls coming in, and you think ok, so they had these.
Three individuals she saying there is one white one black eye, and here we go in my
then those guys. Why are they asking for a ride while there on foot in their fleeing from a scene where they just killed a police officer, you had to say
here that, if the police are
asking for the public's assistance that people would only call if they have something?
It is never know why someone will pick up the phone call
it's not always to help. Sometimes I guess they think they're helping it there,
getting information, but who knows what their real motives are, but they do have
surveillance? Video of three men walking
close to the area. I think there was like some railroad tracks or something, and then they follow them and they
it's taken. We pieced together. All this video tracking
these three men. I mean. If these guys,
Aren't the guys that did it, then what are the chances that just happened to be
wandering around in this car secluded area, but they identify them. They track the eighteen
that they withdrew money from their on video and they track them to. The diner
they question a waitress at the restaurant and she identifies them and there at the restaurant at the same exact time that the lieutenant was killed. So by default,
you're thinking, oh wow. They have these guys on cameroon, the area moving around on foot, but then the fact that they have on camera at the same exact time is the total alibi.
its air tight. So these are not the men that killed the lieutenant.
an autopsy was done by dr thomas rudd. He was the
they county coroner and when
Jos body, was examined
corner noted that chose clothes were in roll call order, not surprising, because this was g Joe. He took it seriously. His appearance was everything shirt
dan pants were clean. There was somewhat on the knees, but of course he was killed so when he fell he got dirty. The bullet profess was on properly
The fatal gunshot wound was between ribs one,
two in his upper chest, but the shot
was fired underneath his bulletproof fast. So, whoever
holding the gun, had to a place it inside the bulletproof. Fast from above
grab somebody by their collar by their vast and slip it underneath and fired the shots
when lieutenant Joe was buried, there was
a procession of police cars that was five miles long
while this was going on the end
instigation continued at the scene where his body was found,
around this time that they located his service weapon
just and where did they find it at it
actually was just a few feet from his body, but
vegetation was so thick that they didn't come across.
He's gone right away. You couldn't see it unless you literally walked up on it.
but it took him a long time to find his weapon because they were just lock,
on the area and focused on finding these assailants.
But now they realise that he was killed,
with his own gun,
His gone was a few feet away from. So
there- is some relief that
these three assailants didn't take his gun and are not armed and dangerous, but
they're still considered dangerous because they ve killed a cop
at beginning justin in the teaser, you said, or was he meaning? Was he murdered? Well yeah? That's the thing is right when
happened. There were rumblings about this lieutenant. There were, I guess
behind closed doors, secrets and rumours about him and said
People were questioning whether or not he was murdered,
It wasn't like a journalist. A reporter went out put a front page article out
is more or less navy, but the police department is going with the evidence there going with he called in he reported suspects. You know we found his pepper spray, his baton and then we,
his body. It looks like there was an escalation of force like first, he use nonlethal means, and then he somehow got
overpowerd and they got a hold of his gun and they killed him with it. This is the standard operating procedure that police would follow in G. I Joe would adhere to those things if that's the police training that
he had gone through so they're still investigating this as a murder. Also, he was shot twice.
He was shot once down and
his phone and didn't inter his body, and then you
shot again underneath the vest. So that doesn't look
like a suicide who would shoot themselves twice.
And shooting yourself even with a bullet professed on that feels, like you're being hit with a baseball bat.
it's not a pleasant experience, so it doesn't spell
Suicide or doesn't
bark, any sort of suspicion in their minds at first the
bessie gaiters on this case. They are looking into Joe there looking into his past and they find that
twice in nineteen eighty eight he was
found to be drunk by other officers. One time he was found passed out,
behind the wheel of his police vehicle somewhere
had to go wake him up.
and really we're going with this going to get into
his personnel file, essentially here we're getting into the
because he was your job
far as most of the public, and probably many officers knew. This was the officer
he was g, I joe so this idea
that he had some past
and aggressions or issue.
at work. That just wasn't thought about they're trying to turn.
over every stone, every leaf and find every single thing about this and there like well. How would these guys over
power. Joe did.
No them what's going on so they're just investigating as they should
in nineteen and nine and two thousand, and he
warnings about being late for work. Joe was
or to respond to these warnings to give it
explanation for why he was late for work and
one of them was all about how he had car trouble and his wife me to go to work and he needed
and arrived yet. He said
that he takes responsibility in two thousand
three he was demoted from sergeant
to commander because of unspecified problem.
In the communications division that he oversaw
seventy thousand three a thorough lawsuit against the village and police accused
Can it joe a pressuring, a female department employee who worked for Joe in
accused him of sex
harassment and she said,
in five times in two thousand, this woman arab resigning.
The programme was reporting, this alleged misconduct and
The police chief said well lieutenant Joe did admit to
conduct that she had described and he
that he was recommending sexual addiction counselling for lieutenant.
dublin awaits and a thirty day
suspension, but the key
its dismiss this lawsuit because
I understand it. The woman and her attorney miss deadline
the file discovery responses, she lost an appeal in two thousand and six
So, while her lawsuit didn't go anywhere,
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calm suggestion why code jen why he seems to have
some skeletons in the closet and win
again those rumbling
were happening about him? The police department backed joe because they
all thought very highly of em respected him when Jos, family, his wife and his sons were questioned about
whether or not they thought this was suicide, they denied it flatly. They said this is not Joe was not depressed. They said that Joe.
was making future plans and that he's not the type
send to take his own life
one of his son said that Joe it actually
plied for a
our position in another department in another city. Why would he do that if he was plain to take his own life
in two thousand and nine?
Most members of the fox, like police department submitted,
the two page letter to the mayor, Cindy Erwin. It was all about widespread
conduct by lieutenant joke, linda wits, so multiple members of the police
apartment are coming forward and saying something
is going on here, when they look into some
These allegations, like him going too
bars and being ejected by the bouncers because he's
you ve been over, served and he's drunk. They go and call
in some of these clubs and bars and like yeah, that's Joe
and we know is a problem. They talk about threats he made towards dispatchers
they cannot concur like yeah. That's what's happened, but we didn't report it or
maybe we reported it but
Nowhere that report was filed, maybe it when in the trash can they're talking about Joe.
Being highly aggressive with
Female officers and women groping
at christmas parties and even go
I'm getting a attack,
two, while on duty with a gift certificate that was
donated to the police department. So that's the first kind of inkling that Joe might
reallocating funds from the police department for personal use.
Once you know that there is an officer who is out of control and he's
not being demoted, he's not being suspended. You start to think
Maybe we shouldn't be barking about this because
obviously these protected. There's no other way to look at it. Some people
seemed to be beyond any kind of authority beyond the reach of the law.
this whole question of whether was a suicide or murderer. Whether perhaps fellow
sir said this to their all. These rumours fear
he's going out there,
the coroner doktor thomas road
made a statement on september, eighth to a tv.
Asian embassy chicago stating I
rule out a suicide ike.
rule out an accent I can
he doesn't have enough evidence to prove or disprove. Any of that
the investigation is done, so they kind of have to
get more information? To put all of this
asic information from the autopsy into context and that's normal police procedure. We all think the autopsy report tells the entire story
well, if a guy just has a bullet Adam doctor, the forensic experts only has
the body with a bullet in it. He doesn't know how
that bullet got inside that body, and so he has to
lie upon the rest of the investigation to figure out the chain of events that we ended up at. So it's a concerted,
for here it's not just one thing or another, so he sang
rule anything out yet parliament,
instigation also was looking
into job lineages cell phone.
And apparently oh
of information on that have been deleted before
Joe is killed, so they were
to the phone company, and he s got the phone records more dirt. Amitabha
they found more evidence of lieutenant Joe glinda, which is illegal activities.
one of them was hitter arranged a bow
this marriage for his son when he was twenty,
just for financial purposes it was the son that joined the military. If you're, I guess, if your mouth,
reed in the army. You get extra benefits, so he made this fraudulent marriage document up.
august marriage, so his son would get more money, so we
fraud in the american government. We also
Oh, that when you make a threat, the authorities have to take it seriously. They had found a facebook message. It was made in early april, twenty fifteen. It was by Joe
and it said, being forced to retire by new village administrator work. Life has been a living hell, the last two months.
Close to entertaining a meeting with a mutual acquaint
Some hours with the were white in their nickname
one explain this just them. Well, the
administrator Annie that was
asking him for pretty much auditing
and the explorer programme asking him for financial documents. Well, you see
actually saying a mutual acquaintance and white is, I guess,
code for a high ranking gang member. So he's essentially saying I'm going to call in a hit on this administrator to get her off. My back, please officer, is going to have
when killed when they caught up, but the person a woman. They show it
said about this. She said yeah
Joe wanted to have a gang member put a hit on an that's all. She knew so he wanted to
But there is never actually any evidence found.
that says that he put this in motion were that he reached out ten a gang members, but a police officer. Talking about this price
only with other individuals. While we put
people away for decades. When they talk of
putting a hit out on their spouse. This does not look good
also through these sixty five hundred texts. They go through. They find that he's talking about
once that he's moving around from the explorers programme he's talking to his wife about
it asking. How are we going to hide this and she said
sitting that they move the funds or transfer the funds to different accounts, to hide it
even has conversations messages between
self and his son
is the same one, who maintain that his father would not take his own life in
tell by the messages that his son knows what's going on
because he saying she hates
If she gets hold of the old checking account, I'm pretty well screwed,
and his son sang. Hopefully she decides to get a couple of drinks centre and she gets a dui meaning awfully
some trouble and then she's got other problems and weaken leverage. Any kind of choice
It is against her to drop her audit against you and then lieutenant Joe.
respond by saying. Oh yes, she does that, but not around here and no one knows where he is.
trust me. I thought through many scenarios from planting things to the volvo bog. It's the volvo bog state natural area.
And apparently that's a place where people might dump a body to never be found again.
During this investigation. They find what appears to
or really is cocaine in one.
His office drawers now either a
He was going to use this to plant on de village.
minister. So then he could arrest her too.
You're with crime and and use that as level
against her to get her to stop. The audit were be.
He was using it personally and again. It's we talk about
police turning a blind eye or covering up for Joe these police officers don't notice
cain on a fellow officers owes
they don't notice that he's taken some cocaine
the evidence locker man, because their trained to see these things
It was amazing they found thousand
of messages, but
messages are all about different money that he's taken out
and telling his son, like I've, had to take money out to help you with your situation, but we need to pay it back because
yet they discover there's money, missing diamond big trouble,
All you really need to know is: there's an immense amount of pressure building on lieutenant Joe glinda wits,
over this audit and its building from twenty fourteen and anti twenty fifteen.
now took a little while for the investigators to get his bank records. Financial statements back. I am amazed,
that they were able to get anything out of a bank, because I've asked my bank for previous statements and yeah months later, once they get these statements back
They find that he's using all these
funds from next,
where's programme on personal items, starbucks, plane tickets.
traveling, even a subscription to
a porn site, because you know I'm sure, that's what the x
where's programme is all about
It was on november for two thousand and fifteen, when
a conference was held. They had to admit that
tenant Joe glinda. What's his death was a carefully staged suicide wow
is big news because for that month there much of the public looked at this and thought.
We are three a on the loose. We have a dead officer, sir,
They needs to be done.
but now the investigation seems to have indicated that lieutenant oakland awaits as a lot of skeletons in the closet, and he was
unable to bear the pressure anymore. During this press conference, the coroner said: the fatal bullet didn't hit, chose heart, it hit, is pulmonary artery and he probably lived up to.
Two minutes, so he shot himself once in the vest and then shot himself behind the vast dropped his gun,
and stumbled or staggered
They point out that, because he was head of the explorer program and he was teaching these kids about,
an investigation there
We know how to stage of the scene
did they commonly see when there's a struggle and a shooting. Well,
everything that they saw there was indicative of that, but now that they know he shot himself
they can see how he set everything up to make it look like he was murdered. You think about
call he's calling in saying there are three guys: I'm I'm after their running into the swamp and d want back up in it
all set up he's fooling the public here he has
scattered his gear. Around he's bought two packs. A cigar
its before this all went down. Well, why would you do that? You want to set it up, may look like you're going to live on, but
to me with the cost of two packs of cigarettes. Now it
it is probably over ten bucks, but I don't know I don't
it just doesn't make. You know it's funny that this was a question in this case,
because it's the last thing I worry about me, especially
he's trying to say at least,
We have evidence that this was unexpected. He didn't expect to die that day
he would want his packs of cigarettes on him because that's the usual that's the routine
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obtain an arrest or defend himself. You talk about escalation of force and using non lethal force first and
and only using deadly force. Last now you have his pepper spray than you have his knights dick
and then you have his gun later, but there is.
in theory and in practice and
in theory, you would do escalation of force using nonlethal, but we know in practice
You have one police officer confront.
Three assailants or three suspects, he's gonna go default to deadly force. He's not gonna pull out as pepper spray. He's not gonna pull out his knights dick he's out numbered
and he's out far away enough from civilization that backups not going to get there anytime soon. So it just seems weird to me: it's like two perfectly staged in my mind. He would weapon
yes, he would even if he didn't fire, he would have drawn his weapon
as a way to say: hey, I'm in charge here. I guess it's
as he knows how to stage the scene but
for me and most people, I'm like it, looks too perfect, I'm just I'm not buying that.
And if he wasn't a struggle, if he wasn't a fight for his life, then
There would have been other evidence to dictate that, and there wasn't any
It is interesting. They say that your training,
override what you
you do in a situation. So I think we talk
on a patriot episode about how
he heard a story about it.
Officer gonna shoot out, I think, was on a highway
and every time he emptied out his revolver, he would line up his shell casings to the side of him because that's
did in training in this case he was
to make the scene look like. There was a struggle, but for them
This part, his uniform everything was in order. Things work
dislodged you have.
Little radios on your lapel. You have all this equipment on you, it's like he couldn't get.
out of his own character. He had this appearance say kept.
and while behind the scenes he was groping women and showing up late and getting
drunk on duty and getting tattoos on duty when people just saw him in public for the most part. That was you I Joe, and he kept that up. He kept that it
parents even to the end, even when he was supposed to make it look like he had struggled for his life and lost it.
Now they know that he was taking. Funds from
the explorers programme
utilizing any and every opportunity
He had to reallocate the debate.
Hence resources and money to his own per.
No benefit they also have.
text messages- and I am
between him and his family members talking about these things. So this whole kind of facade is now blow
and the investigators are now looking at his wife.
at least one of his sons. So what happens next
january twenty seven to twenty sixteen men.
The Glen awaits with charged with felony money laundering and missy
so charitable funds. This in
men tied her to Joe's thefts from sports programme.
course her attorney said she's a victim of her husband, secret actions were guess what
They have seen the messages here. It's one
for the attorney to say, look she
innocent initiate know anything, but
the largest withdrawal that happened from this account with seven thousand dollars. It was one
after that that aid
seven thousand dollar deposit, was made to an account in melodies name again. You have.
Messaging Joe saying we need to move this money. It shows up an account under her name. What are the odds, she's caught red handed?
other people who try to get away with crimes, murder, whatever you simply look at somebody's sir,
it's history and say: oh well, they searched how to murder somebody and then their wife was murdered the next day and that's enough for most of us to be like yeah he's guilty. So in this case with the
wife and his family, I'm like
yeah, you were in on it, you knew about it and you might
have known about his suicide too. I don't know she
claims that the truth will come out in court. I don't think she's wrong. Aaron, that's true, that's very true
There are two parts to this on one hand. I think it's pretty odd.
Is that she was involved in this scheme.
on the other hand,
I dont know
she knew about what lieutenant Joe is going to do.
When her husband was going to do it, she might not have known about the plan to take his own life. It's I'm I'm going
or on a little bit of a limb. I know you
can't know everything from a video from a picture, but you know week,
what I've seen when it came
His funeral and things like that
I'm going to say that I personally believe that she lost her best,
and when Joe shot himself and that this was very painful for her,
They didn't, kill anyone, and certainly she wasn't out there groping women. She wasn't getting drunk in public. As far as I know, the worst,
she did was the others frog
on here, there's theft of money, but
does doesn't mean we can't have sympathy for her losing her husband, there's something real
I don't think we should discount it just because there were some illegal activities going on on cheese
facing the music. Now
been indicted, she's gonna be going
I ll soon so she's left
face. The music and her husband is gone,
I Joe was important to this village and
with all this news coming out all this dirt. As they say you know it's hard
Have these ideas about people when they're shattered, we don't
know what to do with that information. It's a sudden change.
I would recommend to anyone to go out on.
Youtube wherever you,
videos and check out the press conference when they admit
this you hear. The outrage from the public
from the journalists and reporters who are asking questions and every time it's you know, there's a break and they have a.
A chance to ask a question: you here, half the room erupt
and its everything that the police,
on stage in the corner on stage can do to keep calm, keep the peace and they even admit its police officers like this lieutenant who place shame
across the entire department, and I feel like they actually did the right thing I mean it, took them,
just a couple months
figure it out. You hey, it took me
three months to get a bank statement that took them to
to figure out all jos secrets,
and figure. This investigation out figure out that it was a stage homicide bring the truth,
even if they can't bring justice back
to Joe they're, bringing justice to his family and
any one that was involved with his misgivings. Now
Very good news for melody. Glenn awaits the judge in the case ruled in twenty seventeen that these texts
emails, voicemail any other communications to happen between lieutenant Joe glinda wits and his wife melody
not be admitted at the trial and the route,
is because of marital privilege. Let's talk a bit just justin about
fact that lieutenant Joe glinda wits called in said he was pursuing,
three men too white, one black,
It caused some real headaches for several men in that area
one of the men was vernon randolph, the third. He was
twenty seven he had made comply.
It's about lieutenant Joe reply,
they pulling them over, searching his car without probable cause
a threatening him, and then
after the tenant joking
which was killed and that
description went out of chasing two white men, man, a black man, ran
Oh said he was started as assess back just because he
fit the description of one man. Well, he filed a complaint. It that's why he was targeted right
There were multiple people who were picked up because
supposedly match the descriptions of the man that the tenant Joe
following they all report,
churches and just being put through how, because
You know an officer had been killed. I guess it's part
of having to face the lie,
and the lie was the tenant Joe
this great off sir, and we have to get the people there
Did this, and so there immense pressure,
find who is responsible, and so when you have footage of people moving through an area and they seem to fit the descriptions off
go after them and they try to get at the truth and it took a month
too, but the you came out all the
people that have been rounded up and swab for dna.
they had nothing to do with it. At least one of them
as reached a settlement with the with the village over this
I can just imagine if they
these men and to the police station enteric
hated them for twelve hours,
old one of them, yeah, the
or geyser are singing like birds
they're telling me that you're the one
that shot the lieutenant
and then one of them said yeah, ok, fine, whatever I just want this interrogation end. Now you have a
hop killer, admitting to killing a police officer whose
probably going to go away for life or get a death sentence.
to find out that
It was all I mean a lot of bad things that could have happened here, I'm I'm going.
The worst case scenario, there's some
any problems here there. So many issues
could have a rose and
it's all based on a guy and his ego
in his pride and in how
rebel. Everyone thought he was, but some people knew the truth, but the truth had been smothered and tell his death
Now melody glinda, what's her case has not been sorted out yet, but with the fact that they can,
use the messages between herself and her husband. Well that looks good for her in court, because she's entered
a plea of not guilty
and so what do they have? There
the real issue, I have no doubt that
money that was taken out of the
or fund will likely,
what into an and account under her name just a day later
That alone is damning. I think they'll be able to handle
a lot of stuff on her, but it would
is be so easy if they could use us tax.
Messages, and I understand the spouse, privilege but he's dead and, unlike that, still apply, apparently
the husband before he shot himself. He deleted all these messages in the hall
They will not be found the course
did he not realise that these computer forensics people would be able to dig out these messages? I guess not by he tried to absurd
or a crime. They found
the information. It's really important to this case
so find it interesting that that tenant, joke linwood took his own life,
just goes to show that it doesn't matter how you live your life. It matters
how perceived- and I believe that with the public, knowing
All of this information that was coming was going
come to light, he just couldn't handle it
perception was so important. He felt like he could get away with whatever behind the scenes
Once this audit was happening, any new that things were to come to a head, he did not like
teacher that he saw- and I don't think he could live with. It-
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