September 14, 2006. Buchans Junction, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada. Mark Harshbarger was an avid outdoorsman who enjoyed hunting and fishing. He thought he hit the jackpot when he met Mary Beth Kintner. She was also into the outdoors and could shoot better than most men. Their first date was spent fishing, they shot guns at their wedding a year later, then had 2 beautiful children together. Their last family hunting trip would end in horror; Mark was killed. Did Mary Beth shoot him on purpose, or did she really think he was a bear?
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Tonight's case is an interesting one. Honestly, I can look at this
with a legal? I? I can look at this worth an emotional, why I can analyze all the evidence and come
different conclusions, but
definitely one that'll make you think and with that, what are we
I can about tonight, Erin tonight, we're talking
about an incident that happened at Bumpkins Junction in Newfoundland, Canada. The people were talking about.
Our mark and Mary Beth Harsh Parker
were people that were probably
for each other in a way because they were both very much into the outdoors and hunting. So when you talk about,
Poles that hunt together stay together. That kind of funny thing war. That was this couple they would hunt dear,
they would hunt all kinds of animals but on
stay? They were hunting black there. He was September four
tenth, two thousand and six, as you said there
in Canada and her huh
bend and a hunting guide had gone
into the woods to flesh out a a bare while Mary Beth waited Ghana
ready. She saw motion in the woods and in time,
grass and she took her shot, but instead of a bear shot. Her husband.
And that's why were discussing this because the question would be
Did she do this on purpose? Or was this a careless mistake and there's a lot of debate
on the internet. There is a lot of
bull that absolutely believe she plan this and had
intent of murdering her husband. So we got a bag
up in the story a little bit too.
About how these two people ended up in this situation and hopefully that'll
if our audience enough evidence
an information for them to decide for themselves. Let's talk about Mary Beth
He was born February, nineteenth nineteen sixty five in Pennsylvania, she
had her daughter before she had met mark. Her name was Heather Kintner Mary Beth had dark hair
her dark eyes and people?
said that she had some
of a short fuse and she was extremely competitive out one of her
former associates called her the intimidating person. She seemed to need to be so. She would run
eyes to the occasion
whether it would be get into your face or just try harder and be competitive. She met mark her huh
and in two thousand, when she was thirty five
He was thirty. Six actually met at
a school because she was held.
Your dad, clear, scrap, metal and mark.
Is there clearing out asbestos, so
ANA construction job,
evading the school, so it's just a day after they meet that they go fishing together on their lunch break and they never separated Mark was entirely
just at the time, but he was really crazy about Mary because she just seem to be the perfect fit
she saw hunting when she was twelve and was over.
A good shot and she loved fishing so
This is just what he was looking for. It was
things where someone says dispersed
and not only my wife but they're my best friend it's they can do whatever together Mark was
in October eleven nineteen sixty three and
in school and eighty one. He was a member of the wrestling team
that was highly touted back then in Pennsylvania, any estate, so you have to
competitive personalities coming together here, that's what it sound
like for sure,
he was also a member of the Franklin Lodge in Lacy they'll Pennsylvania, but he and Mary lived in Michigan.
And it's kind of a small town. I mean my understanding. Was it at hundreds of residents but again spare time,
They enjoyed hang out with their kids and going outdoors Mark and Mary
Two children together
Eliza James and
two thousand six Eliza was eight months in my really was for now
this time. Mary Beth had struggled with depression, bipolar,
and she was being medicated for that, but when she became praying
with marks children. She stopped medic
sure, because she didn't want to hurt the baby.
And there are some incidents that occurred because of
struggles, and we can talk a bit about those, but I do feel like we need to
take this story on its own merits. I would say: pay special
attention to the details of the day of the shooting. So
let's go back to the shooting Justin, because we already talked about.
Couple seem to be a great fit. There were three kids because, while
brought a kid into their relationship and then they had-
two more together, they live.
Pennsylvania and they can certainly hunt there but
Mary really wanted to go to Canada to hunt Moose
bear and the area what we're talk.
About buttons. Junction is apparently gorgeous, so this
this kind of a big trip, and it would cost probably about ten thousand dollars to make it happen
at the time weren't they trying to build a house together. Yes,
They had a lot of expenses going on, and so they have
family members telling them that's a lot of money going out the door right now. Are you sure this is the right time to go on a hunting trip, but that's what Mary Beth wanted in alone,
market has reservations. All this is
and so one other thing
she did to help convince him where she contacted the
of Moosehead Lodge to lower the pricing.
Said. Well, tell you what, if you say in your own camper and cook your own food I'll drop the price, so she got kind of a deal on the trip, and so Mark said. Ok, let's do
I dont know that much about hunting Aaron, I've never hunted. Why
wild animals or game myself, but Mary Beth is with the kids
and these shabby truck and their up therewith
barks brother bury who is in a hunting blind
somewhere else around looking for better
and looking for anything that their hunting, the other basic
looking for moose or bear at the time.
And her husband mark
He's gone out with their guide to
kind of flesh out the bear and either get that bear to run
in front of Mary or in front of his brother. That's hunting in the blind, so Mark is out there with the guide and their there too.
To get these bears to move. So somebody
you're a good shot so errand, its seven
fifty five p m and its after sunset
and it's right before you have to stop her
doing like there's a you know, a cut off, I guess and Mary Beth,
has her rifle and she's. Looking out about
seventy five yards away and she
using a scope, but again it's dark
she says she sees something: a dark figure sum
moving through the woods she pulled the trigger and she
center of mass like you're trained heard, a scream
and at TAT point she said she knew it was mark that she had killed and she started screaming. I killed my love. I killed my love and
children are hysterical, she's screaming she's. Put the gun down marks. Brother bury came
running out from his blind to see what had happened. This
goes down within just a few minutes, the shot that killed her husband went through his sternum,
I went out through his shoulder. Blade apparently
had exploded, both his heart and his spine member. These shots at normally are good enough to take out bear very high powered rifle
high powered round and getting
with something like this, unless you get hit in the arm which it properly
take your arm off? You're gonna die and.
I am surprised that she heard a scream from mark because he essentially would have died instantly
remember there are other witnesses there. So she said
but ass, they did die almost immediately. She can see
I heard him scream, but there are other people there who can corroborate that story, but you're right I,
just hearing that if I heard someone got shot with that rifle in the chest like that it does
prize me that they are able to screen, but that's what happened so the
Police are contacted which in this case are the royal Canadian mounted police.
And when they show up. They see that
Mary Beth, is very upset.
He's in hysterics and she's. Try
to explain to them that shit
I thought she was shooting a bear. They were hunt.
There. She was expecting
air to come out of the woods. So she fired the shots and apparently
the canadian mounted police, they believed her
they didn't see anything out of sorts here
He took it ass, a terrible hunting accident but September sixteenth. They went back
out and performed a reenactment of the shooting in those
m conditions. So this
just two days later, they're out there and there just checking,
what was the light like we're wish
positioned. Where was marks
Trying to use the same scope. The same gone everything to just make sure that this makes sense and her story pans out.
You would think if the findings were in her favour. That would have been it end of story, terrible accident, so Aaron for what are their findings
Their findings were its income
if there's no way to really know whether,
this was on purpose or an accident law enforcement wants to get this right in.
Since they ve done this reenactment- and it is so close so
here that time. Where are they
it no longer legally hunt and made. Should she have
taken that shot. That is not in her
because now it's a real question, but within our
had the shooting it said, Beth Display
need some weird behaviors,
She just seemed off and her first call wasn't even to family members
it was to bill I've. He was
contractor that was building their new home and she told bill that there had been an accident and bill thought a traffic accident.
And she said: no, the truck is fine and bill said or what happened and Mary Beth replied. I shot mark.
Now this is called into question
because she didn't call family, she called the guy. That's building their house
but honestly aren't I dont know. Maybe she was pretty close with bill and she thought
She needed to explain it to him before anyone else. Well. For me, it's not that big of a deal because,
is she just shot her husband there,
to be some shock and ball deficits and accident babies.
He's acting strangely, because of that it may be that
what's been on your mind, the most, if you think about it, she's about to get a new home,
that's gotta, be a major
thing going on our life at the time. So who does she think of fur? She thinks about the whole builder now once
Mary Beth returns home her best friend
Amy Robinson tries to you.
To her and be supportive and Mary Beth.
It is pretty cold and shut off which
Hey I've been kind of shut off for the last couple weeks. I get it back
any does remain supporters.
As she says that coldness, it's probably just a defence mechanism.
Death of your husband or the death of anyone you're not
social. At that point there are further action
poles of her odd behavior. But again I dont know that it's fair
or to marry bath, to go through all of these things and say: oh well, she's acting cold toward this person or
she's acting irritated. If someone says you need help, I mean again
is a major event that completely shocks the life of Mary Beth, as well as the children,
losing mark in that manner, and I think about that.
When you have someone who's, an avid hunter
They actually shoe and kill somebody they ve now
and the life of some one while doing something they love. It has
the very powerful, strange and upsetting experience.
Now there is a conversation between bill. The the car
tractor who was building their dream home and bury marks brother. He caught
made it seem like mark
New, he wasn't returning from this trip,
This is a little foreboding here because, according to Bill
mark seemed to have reservations about this trip right. Well, I would say,
Several people knew about his reservations, but it's really difficult to pinpoint what that meant.
Probably felt like well, it was just the expensive at all. They are building a new home
spend another ten grand or whatever it is
Those who believe that mark was nervous about going because well, he by
a joke to one person that Mary was
probably gonna shoot him on. That
but at least it would be a quick death, something to that effect. It's just really
it's you can really know somebody, but
I tell you something: you're not really expecting it. You never know how you're going to take it, and if you can't follow up later to say, hey was that rule.
He, a joke
you don't really know.
In its around the same time that marks brother berry
since a twenty six year, relationship with his wife Linda
moving in with Mary Beth
and the kids, so
on one side. I just think well, maybe he's just trying to be supportive on the other side. Maybe this event connected them and
I started a relationship soon after, but during
Marie's divorce proceedings with his wife. He admitted
who, having a sexual relationship with Mary Beth, he d
really say if that relationships started before the shooting
It really makes it sound like it started after the shooting my own thoughts on this and its really just because
Berry was making strange comments after he got back saying, Mark new
Lee was going into the woods with comments like that. Make me think he's not being supported.
Of Mary, Beth necessarily, but then not long after he gets back in the trip
he tells us wife Linda These- leaving any immediately moves and with Mary Beth and is this?
me reading into it that Mary Beth must have
moved on him during the trip- and
lay moved on him after and she must be very
fencing because that marriage fell apart, real quick, so whatever happened,
Mary Beth is being very minimal
it seems like which doesn't help her case.
But this is something that happened, and at this point obviously Mary Beth has pretty much
Herself out of marks family alienated a lot of different family members and has even in
entered her children, not to speak to mark side of the family, which this could be. Can
they're just family drama. But another piece that people bring up is
He had marks body cremated almost immediately and
She didn't allow marks family to see his body, but she is the spouse.
She gets the saying what she does and
way mark was killed. Maybe it wouldn't be appropriate
to have a viewing of his body, but again the
time frame of how fast she had him.
We made it and
whether or not she showed any respect for mark side of the family. Well, maybe she's a
person, but we
I already know that he was shot through the heart with a hunting rifle
there's no amount of autopsy. That's going to change that or or prove that this was intentional or our accidental. So I think this is could be considered
a jerky move on her behalf, but it doesn't prove anything
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happens here. Justin is because Mary Beth
is shutting the harsh martyr family out, except her bury, of course,
they are really feeling like this was all done on purpose. She had
set this up. She was the one who wanted to go on this trip. She insisted and eat,
after mark was not so sure that that it could happen, she's the one that got the price lowered. So now
they are going to the royal Manta canadian police
and they're saying Mary Beth did this. She did it on purpose
and we want her charged, so they start gathering whatever events at
Can it what those things is because they did those reenactments they have
some sort of an idea of what she would
seeing when she looked to the scope, and I get the feeling that big
The evidence showed that she would have seen at best a blob began.
Is Mark was wearing blue.
A blue shirt and blue jeans type of dress that she
didn't have shot at all,
and she can sail she wants that she was distracted and she was
competitive, because her husband had already gotten a bear the day before that wasn't very impressive. When I understand
She wanted to one up him and she saw something bigger than when he had shot so she took her shot and while she killed her husband, but this
adds up to here, they think they can. Maybe
charge her with criminal negligence. I
your stand when
Hunting you're supposed to I d, your target you're supposed to identify what you're shooting before you pull that trigger now does
This translate to
homicide or criminal
negligence and that's what the can.
In mounted police does what the r C have to figure out. One of our biggest critics was marks tat.
And he said he can't accept that this was a hunting accident. He knows about hunting. He knew that the ground
There was about five foot tall
I knew his son was more than six foot. I think he was six to so. He said there should have been
enough of a shape there for her to know that that wasn't a bare and
Don't walk out on their hind legs, so he's just utterly convey,
that she did this on purpose.
Went on to say that Mary Beth had marked increase,
his life insurance substantially? I we were talking from what,
like a hundred thousand two five hundred, some thousand yeah
think it was so one. Fifty two five, fifty that's a pretty good increase by it
I mean, if you're on her side, you would just say that's what people do
No, I increase
life insurance overtime. It's not really that crazy, but that is kind of a jump. I've never increased it like that.
This is the thing any time we cover a husband did it
situation. When the huh
and increases their wives, life insurance.
See by hundreds of thousands or a million dollars, and then she ends up dead a week later that looks horrible. It look
the optics on that are this was plant but up
life insurance policies does happen every day, so how
this way out. Well
thousand seven September of two
and seven the RCMP Mp conduct a second reenactment and this time,
They're much more sure that it was just too dark to hunt, so they can see
where maybe she thought she was shooting at a bear, but they really concluded that it wishes to dark.
No shot should have been taken as well.
By someone with that much hunting experience. They should have known better yeah.
That means criminal negligence or more of an
Sid, Dental, manslaughter type, death as a whole
Two homicide, Mary Beth has an attorney.
He is quoted. As saying
they are unwilling to accept the fact that it was an accident and, as a consequence, the investigation has continued. He also
did that if it wasn't
an accident that the Arcy MP would
never have let Mary Beth leave the country if they really thought,
that was all intentional and so
seems like Mary Beth starts to go on the attack, she said
for insurance. In April of two thousand eight over mark shooting death,
because it was considered an accident in out theirs
a question here on the policies, but she soothe the two life insurance companies for five hundred and fifty
thousand dollars and death benefits. She was the sole but
fishery. But of course
you dont, know says a person cannot benefit from
intentional wrong doing so the engine
companies will hold payment and tell your trial.
Is it a resolve its on April? Third,
this is just twelve days after she soon the insurance companies April. Thirty, two thousand
Mary Beth was charged him
death. The hour
I M P a Newfoundland had issued in
asked warrant. They charged her with cream
negligence causing death and too careless use of a firearm. So what do they?
to do justice to bring her in.
They're gonna have to extradite her and thus
and it takes some time it does
becomes. A big deal will put it that way. I dont know
that I'd want to cover it at length because it's it's frankly kind of boring
You know the canadian magistrate has
Fine probable cause they have to it.
You this certificate of extradition and, of course, my
that is going to fight that, and
America, you know the! U S, government isn't just going to hand over its citizens, Willy nilly, so there. Actually,
on your side in situations like this,
Mary Beth is gonna. Try to leverage
the United States government to protect her from extradition, but by March forth,
two thousand and nine the
U S judge ordered that
the governors request for extradition to Newfoundland, be granted so
she has lost and she needs to go surrender herself and be.
Transported back to Canada. If you're one of
Does that thanks, Mary Beth is guilty or should at least be put.
The trial then
that, U S, magistrate, Judge Molokai Mannion, while he's a hero, but if you think they're making
big to do over nothing because she lost her husband and it was all an accident. This is
terrible situation. So one thing we have
talked about just you know was this hunting guide, Lambert Green. He was there and he would have,
walking with mark save for the fact that he had to stop to urinate
and he also heard a shot and scream
He said he was about sixty meters from Mary bath. He basically supports her story because he had talked with mark
and Mark described Mary Beth, as the law
of his life has actually they was very, very high,
they too have met her and married her, and so from his opinion. He thinks
this was just a terrible accident.
When you talk about high grass,
that's almost five foot tall when you're going through
rats like that you're not
standing up straight. You might be a little
hunched over Europe is going through.
This wildlife you're going through a wooded areas
you dont, you tallgrass. So what
He standing up straight. Would you have been able to identify him and
when the sky is saying that looks like yours
reached over and from the shot you know I dont know if anyone could have now
what they were shooting at, but then again
There's that argument Justin. If you don't know what you're shooting at, should you be shooting it Mary Beth
file, the motion to stay she's
Petitions the courts.
Basically say will just give you more time, but there are not really.
Going to let her get away.
This is something that needs to get sorted out April. Twenty
in two thousand and ten, the? U S, department of state
she D surrender warrant for Mary Beth, harsh barter for her return to Canada
this is all under the treaty by the
that this legal Malay d
but the charges but kept the specific
charge that she was facing extradition for
was criminal negligence causing death
they threw out carelessness, use of a firearm, and you know little things like that, but the
mental negligence causing death. That is the most serious one. So that's all she's gonna be charged with she,
is denied bail initially and
They told her that she represented a flight risk. Now I have to
with this error in your
fighting your extradition, because that's what you're supposed to do you're fighting
for all these things that are, you know,
to you here, whether bia an inch
pay out? What not, but that's all
used against her
they're saying well, because you do
all these things in you, you, a citizen, you are considered a flight risk mean it goes both ways right right again,
everything that she does depending on who you are, can be seen as well. That's what you do or know that
she's guilty. She was granted values
you said she was at first denied.
But later she was granted bail. On June eighth, two thousand ten her bail had been set for two hundred thousand dollars. Disk
of concerns his family, the Irish by her family, because they
think she's got the means to post bail and they're. Not
that she's going to face justice here she
does face justice. She does go before a court,
and it's on June, twenty fifth, twenty ten shall enter a plea of not guilty, and that's partially because
She had remained in custody, so
just then we talked about how bury was the only harsh, Barker family member that way
is in very bats corner literally when he spoke
Bc News, Canada. He actually talked about why she didn't post bail and its because he said she had money, but it was
much tied up in long term investments, and they also.
About well. She stays in custody backing count towards her
I'm, if he is to get time, so she would be out early,
and in Canada you get like double credit. You know before.
Your trial, if you
spent a hundred days in jail. You get credit for two hundred days. What did he have to say about
this whole situation apparatus his brother, who was shot and killed berry
says that he believes Mary Beth is guilty of not confirming her target any thinks
at that level of negligence is minimal, very
is saying that she did not mean to murder her husband, but she did make a mistake
now they talk to a Lambert Green. He was
he guide that day and he will
weapon testify that he was
helping, Mark, look forebears and he heard
loud scream Green
who had stopped urinate at the time told the court daddy.
Called out to Mary Beth, who was back at the couples, pickup truck any yell,
Did you shoot your rifle and she
said, yes- and I said, what did you shoot
and she immediately responded. I shouted a bare. Did I get him? Lambert said no, you got mark
he continued to testify that he found marked lying face down on the ground. He said he turned mark over
checked him for vital signs. He walked back to the truck and Mary Beth.
Asked if Mark was okay and he said no he's dead and t verifies that Mary Beth became historical and was screaming
I shot my husband, I shot my love, it makes you wonder, because
When you hear the story elsewhere, it sounds like she said. I shot my love almost immediately because of the screen, but
how labour green testifies
makes it sound like she didn't do that until after they spoke. So I find this kind of curious Mean
did she recognizer husband, scream, wish
denial. What's the truth here, it still feels very, very strange. I mean
I think when it's a high
tension situation like that people are gonna
Bert differently, and
She doesn't remember asking about the bear.
And being told it was her husband in that,
It just seems like an honor
Wharton conversation that she might
I remember to me this had a profound effect on them
but green, because he said that because of this incident he now
insists that people they go
king with him, where Orange vests, where some sort of safety attire so that they
be spotted at a distance by humans and now
something else that I was shocked by
I just assumed that everyone war, the Orange.
You know to identify themselves. I didn't realize that you couldn't do that so yeah,
And he also said that he has
to remain with them. There is no stopping to your and aid and he was talking
about when they were doing
Recreation, the he looked through the scope of a rifle at that distance
which was about two hundred feet to the target.
And he said it was just too dark to tell what he was looking out for sure. So he said
When you're not sure of your target, you dont risk a shop,
You said that before, but this is the guide saying this
and he was one who would essentially stuck up for Mary Beth, but once again we keep coming back to that. She shouldn't have pulled the trigger exactly. They brought
An r c m, p officer up to testify.
His name was corporal Doug Hewett. He supervise
I D reenactment and the living conditions. And again it was plaza.
Shit mistaken her husband for a bear. He testified, however,
I dont know why anyone would fire given the lighting conditions, and even with that rifle scope, I couldn't pick out any definite shape, except for
mass, and apparently this scope that was mounted on the rifle was a light gathering scope, which is
was to illuminate your target a little bit more for help. You aim,
clear the shot they may
a big deal out of this, but when
had searched the area after Mark was shot, they could
find any signs that any animal had been in that area,
I dont know why they make a big deal out of this. Do you know why I
think they're saying there
went any animals, so you should
known that this wasn't. A bare hindsight
twenty twenty, but it doesnt work, because your hunting bare and your expecting bear
just because there isn't any bear their doesn't mean that you would have known that, but its am
that's being used against Mary Beth, because they're saying whether there were any animals around. So you should have known better. He, I dont think it
works because she stayed in the truck she didn't.
Down that way. That's with her husband in the guy.
Did they went down that way.
I mean I don't recall that they kept giving her reports of over
seeing any tracks. So I
just think this is this is just
an odd bit of information to me now
There was an autopsy performed and it was confirmed that mark had died.
From one gunshot wound to his abdomen appear
that mark was leaning over when he was struck by the bullet. So now
standing up straight, not above the grass line. I mean this actually work.
For Mary Beth as far as she did,
know what she was shooting at and
this right here, Erin. If you do
know what you're shooting at then. How do you
that. She meant to shoot mark cause. It could have been the guide it could have been
you know bury. It could have been anyone out there. So at this point,
I'm looking at this and thinking
he was leaned over if she couldn't idea.
Fire bear, then she wouldn't be able to identify,
if this was her husband or someone else either, and that's where this case takes a bit of a turn, don't you think yeah
when you put that altogether. Like you just said, if she's looking through a scope- and we had people doing,
enactments in the same lighting conditions and they can identify exactly what their shooting
how does she know she's shooting her husband?
the major turn in this case. I think now,
in order to prove
Alice in order to prove you intentionally did this. You have to talk about someone's
state of mind,
before or after the shooting and they buy,
more Rooney who worked as it as a cook at the lodge, and they ask
some of what was her behaviour like
and she had arrived at the lodge less than thirty minutes after the shooting, so he's
looking at this and saying
It seems that she was very remorseful here and she
was behaving erratically when she got back as if she just fell whore
all that was she done, but that night he said that Mary Beth seemed more com,
and said that she looked agitated a little upset but
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crown prosecutor. Karen O summed up the case, and she said that Mary Beth didn't take the proper safety per
shins before pulling the trigger of her rifle? She said it was up to marry me
to determine with certainty
that she was shooting a bear that evening
She went on to say. The duty here is that there has to be no doubt before you pull the trigger so
Mary Beth. Really, why short was a bare? She should have ensured the area around. It was clear and no one else
was at risk. She
if by saying the crown his empathy for MRS harsh barter, but that doesn't change standard of care were going to hold her too. I'm sure at this point
just in many people, probably
look at this and say she killed somebody. She shouldn't be pointing the trigger
and they're they're charging her with criminal negligence, which carries between five years and life. So the way this prosecutor
talks, you're thinking, oh yeah, they're gonna.
Or to the Wall Justice, Richard Low Block,
made the decision? In this case he was
from the Supreme Court of Newfoundland and Labrador. What
his decision in this case he
found Mary Beth not guilty of
an old negligence causing death now that
be surprising for a lot of people. That might be
shock to some it might see.
Like justice to others, he referred to,
marks death as the result
of an accident and nothing more now we ve covered
at least one maybe other- you know a few other cases where I got Tex case, where he shouted
why, from the back seat of the suv, we ve covered up
cases where I think people
Did it intentionally or were just so damn that they deserve punishment
but in this case, depends on that
I am, I have a different feeling about it, but after
she's found not guilty Mary Beth was silent and
She left the courthouse without saying anything
and when her lawyer was questioned, what she's gonna do next the lawyer
responded. She just wants to see your kids
there's some understanding here.
And so we have this justice sang.
This, is an accident she's not guilty? That's it.
So it doesn't matter really. If we think Mary Beth did this on purpose or not. We can look back at the insurance
and look back that there are some issues between the couple that he had said:
she's going to shoot me at least it'll be a quick death that he didn't want to go on this trip in the first place, and they owe an ad in very harsh Barker Marks brother hooked up with her.
Really after, but you can flip all that around. You can say
people always increased life insurance over time, you can say she was
for someone to help her because she-
suddenly without her husband, so there's his brother and that's how that started.
That there was no set up beforehand in oh it. It said
She was hostile, violent and she
raise the life insurance policy. Those
two things alone, typically make me think you're guilty.
If you are a domestic vi
once abuser, an
you re somebody's life insurance, then yeah. You should be investigated if your spouse dies, because
Those two things are red flags for me, but in this case I'm looking at this and I think what if she did mean to kill him, how could you prove that
you can't it's almost impossible, because there on a hunting trip there doing with their due
you know, and then, when you look at the
criminal negligence charge. Well, criminal
glad chances would end
reasonable person have not done this. So if you
driving your car at a hundred miles per hour and you run it into a crowd of people well,
you didn't mean to run your car into a crowd of people, but any reasonable person would
I've been driving at that speed. Any risk
double person would have taken precautions to not cause this accident. So that's why it's criminal negligence, so
take the situation therein. They are hunting. She
is looking to shoot a bear husband
out there trying to flush the bear
out of the woods in that context would end
reasonable person, not pull the trigger. That's a hard won.
You're in the moment, your hunting on that
the difference between
criminal or accidental. You know what was this person thinking,
did they intend to do this? Would any
terrible person known better and not taken the risk, and in this case I think, that's a hard argument to make.
Some people their hunting therein. That moment, they're gonna pull the trigger
If I did the target it's not such
gross negligence. It's not like she just started shooting aimlessly into the woods. It's not like. She had one of her children load the rifle for her. You know it's not like
She did something that was totally outlandish. So if you
you think she murdered her husband will. Then this is the perfect murder,
is how you get away with it,
set up a scenario where you can.
Accidently kill somebody and, and-
You literally wrote out a piece of paper like I murdered my husband or talk to somebody and told them that you get away with it,
when her husband made the comment, the joke, oh she's, a great shot at least it'll, be quick. I think I'd choked about being murdered.
By friends and family my wife a hundred times. So how do you take that, while throw in one more thing he was supposed to be accompanied by Lambert?
green there was no plan for him to be wandering around by himself. I mean up until shortly:
for he came out into the grass. He was accompanied by Lambert
it just so happens that Lambert had stoppin, he had take quick break and so
was moving on by himself. That was not anything that was planned.
Question will be well. Let's say Lambert was with them, which you have just
still shot her husband and said. Oh, I didn't notice any one else. It just. It worked out too well
that's just something that was all chance. I remember when I
Do you about it at one point you said I dont know
she just took to that scope for
here that it was her husband and took the shot, there's no way to know and that's possible, because again he was with a guy
If they really wanted to set it up where he could have been shot, it would have been just
Mark going out there to flesh out the man
Sir, the bare for her to get a kill that day, but how did it happen? It was just mark. That's just luck! Bad luck! Just in there's been one update,
that. We need to talk about in two thousand and eleven bury obtained a temporary protection against abuse order pertaining to Mary Beth.
Is that very says? I am in fear for my life and he said that,
she exhibited by
in her past and her current threats and that Mary Beth threatened him by weight. For point
king, a loaded rifle at him now is that turn ever
thing on its head here. Does that mean that she did murder her husband.
Or does this just mean that
She is a very
probably needs to be in fair and
he doesn't need to be around firearms right now. A judge,
made a decision. Now he concluded that these plans
by bury works,
durations and you dismissed. The order
you know Erin. I guess all I can leave with. Is this
was a hunting accident and you can
The scenario you can say what was kind of dark. You know you can look at
where he was and tall grass- and I just think of I don't know
one of our vice president's shooting his body in the face with a shock on me, and I could make her Dick Cheney job, but it might not hit the mark.
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