August 27, 2017. Corning, New York. On August 28, 2017, Sergeant John McDivitt of the Corning Police Department responded to a call concerning the welfare of 46-year-old Michele Neurauter. A family friend had stopped by to pick up Michele’s youngest daughter for swim practice and received no response. When he looked through the glass on the front door of the home, he noticed the silhouette of a woman who was motionless and unresponsive and called the police for assistance. Inside was the body of Michele Neurauter who appeared to have hanged herself. But did she? You will not believe where this case leads the detectives...
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so errand tonight's case takes place in upstate New York.
The terrible murder that, when you find out, who
was involved. It can be a bitch,
king and disturbing ah it
hard to rapid
had around how
family members can do that.
To their own, but we ve been
this game long enough, we ve seen way worse so with that
we talk about tonight tonight, we're too
king about the murder,
Michel, nigh rider. This was a case that
started off on the wrong foot. Much like this
been a Ramsay case. Michelle
forty six years old at the time and earned
masters degree in literature and pretty much a fault
mom she home schooled. Her three daughters spent her
free time doing charity work and
he became an english professor once knew mostly kids role.
Not starting care themselves. She was there
yup standing all of her family loved her.
She was the the go get
She was considered the motivated one in the family. She
as the main parent
children's lives now Lloyd, nigh rider were
is forty, five years old,
had been married. He
described as eccentric and
center of attention. He would take
his daughters to their ballet class, and that was sort of how he got a lot of his attention. Apparently I dont know how that works out at the other moms. There thought it was cool to see a dad taking his daughter,
two ballet he
with his eldest daughter and Brunswick New Jersey, where he worked,
an engineer after he and Michel split up. They had three daughters
but when it came to their split, this was
a very contentious
It was said that the court House was very familiar with these two because of all the filings that took place at me,
ass, they were splitting up the family split up the eldest daughter
two New Jersey and lived with Lloyd.
Carrying her younger sister move with their mom to new Housing Corning. So one of them.
Is that how you might say is you
to know a person when there's
when around that they might feel they have to put a mask on for another?
This whole idea everywhere as a mask all the time, but people said
Once Michel was split from Lloyd, they said you could just
oh, that she was so much more relaxed so much more at ease with herself in her life
so, even though this divorce was pretty much hell
She was getting her way through it, and people really felt.
like she was a stronger person, a happier person
see and Lloyd were no longer together. So that might speak too
The way the relationship was towards the end or maybe all along, but the real reason
divorce was so problematic
is because Lloyd wanted soul, custody of the kids he's the one
again and again he filed twenty six separate sets of filings and Michel felt harassed,
because of all these? Their divorce happened in twenty twelve
and not only was the court's familiar with this household, but the police
were called out to the home
since of times for domestic disputes and arguments and fighting
so was late in August of twelve
There is another court appearance that Lloyd was supposed to be at, but he didn't show and when the court attempted to reach him, they couldn't
they tried phoning him. They ve sent him emails. Now Michel sent a text message to
divorce lawyer on.
twenty six or twenty seventeen and she was saying that I am in shock. Loi. Didn't
Short for the appearance for US petition for sole custody, he did not withdraw. He didn't
ass for an adjournment. He didn't answer the course phone calls emails nothing, but this is wrong.
The out of his character, because this is
he's been gunning for for awhile Ryan,
it's where he needed to do was convinced the court that the kids should be with him. You know at, and I kind of get it because the way people described Michelle
that's not exactly the person. You worry about the kids being left in the custody of she's. This great mom
involved with their kids lives and does
lot of charity work. This is like you
a very upstanding. That's probably an uphill battle
for this guy who's, no
to be the centre of attention. I'm sure he's more complicated than that. But would people talk about him
Now he has his way about him. He's kind of eccentric. You take these two people to court.
Who's gonna win that battle.
May he saw the writing on the lawn thought. That's it, but disk case gets complicated because just two
he's after he's a no show something terrible happens. It was Monday, ok
twenty Eightth twenty seventeen afresh.
The family went over to the house to pick up the
the starter for swimming practice, the friend
knocked on the door but didn't hear anybody.
no one came to the door and even
was dark inside. He could see.
a silhouette of a female,
standing on the staircase, but they were moving so this friend
thought something was seriously wrong and decided to call nine one one, and he says
I got something strange happening at a friends house. I
I saw the mother standing in the stairway
but she's motionless. She
motionless and I'm concerned, and
None on one operator says so she standing there not moving, and he says it's kind of hard to tell it's dark, but that's kind of eerie, Derek
backing. You know it's answering and you see them standing there and they're not moving or responding
that's very Erie,
and I'm sure this friend is trying to express that there they ve got a sick feeling, so
honor shut up to the house and
they got in. They discovered
Michel Nigh rider at the bottom.
The stairs. She was below the banister around twenty feet from that front door and it looked like she had hanged herself, so the Corning police Depart
a sergeant John MC did it said he recalled looking through the
small glass window and he said
He saw a female lying
the bottom of the stairs and, of course,
when they went to enter the family dog rush pass him. There was a black rope around Michel's neck and when he checked her, she felt cold to that
such and stiff. There is no pulse, so this appear.
to be a suicide
by hanging this family friend was
post to pick up the young
daughter which she's
to be found in the household. So this worries them
few phone calls later they find out that carry
who is going to college and Rochester is
her younger sister at the time so that
planes why the daughter wasn't with her mom now Roger
stir is about a hundred miles, Dr North of Corning. It takes
an hour and a half fish to get up there
Rochester Isn T Northern Centre of New York state. The authorities got
call from carrying nigh writer- and she said
upset and she
saying that a friend had called and told her that
mom had taken her own life
this lieutenant heavily, who took the car,
at the Stew Ban, County sheriff's office in New York heard this hide. This
carry nigh writer, my friend.
Call me earlier today and told me about my mom and that she I'm I'm sorry. They called me and told me that my mom hung herself that's what she said and she
She also confirmed that her younger sister was with her. She has more to say, though she tells the officer about something from the night before she said that she had travelled home to Corning does,
and the night there before going to Rochester and a guy
into her pretty heated art.
with her mom and she said
that's when she laughed and she took her younger sister with her and she said
because her mom was freaking out and she thought
be better. If she took her
her with her because of her moms behaviour. Now, with the past, history
this household wasn
totally unfounded to hear this, but the detective
Please, sir thinking, who called you
to let you know your mom is dead and
their seeing some weird paw hole.
in her story, but at the same time they're not.
Ringing any serious alarm bells their discussion,
Keeping these notes in the back.
Their head and thinking. Ok,
We have some more questions for you about will will take you for your word. Right now
You at your word for right now, plot holes had so. Yes, they don't
really believe her story. I think this is what really gets them thinking? What's really going
on here I mean carry.
had explained, that Michel was kissing her
of siding with her dad all the time. So
LISA gap. That makes sense, but I dont know that they like the idea that she took the younger
her with her.
and I dont, know how much sense that makes either I mean, carry explains it, but
I know how the mom says: that's, ok or does
upset about that also Michel, because Lloyd, wasn't there
the shells looking pretty good in court and
France had even said she celebrated with her kids the day before this and seemed
being the best place she had ever been so
What is her motivation to take her own life? If life
is going her way or even
are you with her daughter, I mean she's got the
Perhaps now there's no reason the hash this out, unless, of course something
just argue a lot, but the police still are very on
were about this whole situation, so the police get in touch with.
Lloyd, nigh rider and he heads backed according
He was in New Jersey. Of course, he was questioned by police on the phone and asked him.
about the last time he had spoken to his ex wife and what she was like. What she had been like recently and
he told an officer the last how nice
with her, I couldn't even say, but
starts telling them about how his Ex wife had made suicide
and with high school friends and that that alarmed him, meaning she has a history,
of talking about suicide.
is that she was out of control and would fly
If the handle very easily insinuating that she might spontaneously do something like this, and he said it's not
from his own mouth he said his own daughters had told him about Michel's behaviour, so the detectives have gotten
two different versions of the story, one from thought
this daughter and the other from the Ex husband, but
have to get to what really happened in usually
autopsies tops he's gonna, give us a lot more answers. Then
Anybody else could they determined her death to be death by a six year.
but when it came to homicide or suicide, it was undetermined. They advance
They then black, nylon rope around her neck. That's typical, but not really, then rope like this
also Michel's family members bay
did their own googling, and this is something that we do and they found that women typically don't
themselves by hanging. They use pills, there's other more prevalent for
some suicide- I guess so
hanging, isn't the most common form
for a woman to take their own life. So the families really questioning this and d
all is looking at this and noticing that she has scratches all about
her face and mouth and these appear to be
from where the rope was around her face or through her mouth now
if you are
gonna be a little more but
If you are,
hanging yourself and you just put a rope around your throat and your just forward
can see the rope maybe getting caught.
on your face, but she was hanging from the banister. It was around us
so there's no way that she could have gotten this rope stock,
her face and then moved it to her throat it just
didn't really see a lot of things about that.
text up. So there thinking somebody put this rope around her from behind.
And they didn't get it around her throat on the first try, so they got it around her face and there was a struggle and as they
Looked around the house a little bit more, they saw that some of the furniture
move. Some. The beds had been shoved that at least the bed in the upstairs bedroom happen.
Shoved, overloaded signs of a struggle possibly and then you,
These rope burns on her face this autopsy very questionable. Do you feel like
the is just being very conservative here or you doubting their findings. I think there's
to be conservative. I don't, I think there are
doing their job and saying it's undetermined
cannot say that this was homicide all
say is there are some questions here now it's?
possible. She tried to hang yourself from a
we're distance for different methods, and she got these
marks on her face somehow, but taking
The totality of everything that they had theirs
more investigation is needed, one there,
information to be had from friends and family.
and among them there were those that said. Suicide is possible, she'd been through a lot, but there
a couple of things about it. That relieved
in the end, I think stuck out as making this unlikely that it was suicide
One was well Michel, they just
and see her leaving her daughters. It's not
She was losing them. She was keeping her daughters so that
that didn't make sense. The other thing was Michel wrote pretty much every day.
By which he not leave behind a note,
Not everyone leaves a suicide note, but just shared a degree
literature and she was a college professor plus she loved her children,
would want them to have closure. No suicide. Note all these
stone, add up in the families mind so detect, is there
use this undetermined as o, o
to move on they use
as a springboard? Almost there looking at this and thinking based
Everything we know this very well could be a hammer
I'd staged as a suicide took mom to get to work
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The storage boxes that were under the bed were now
in the open. The bed was at an awkward angle so there,
get this in thinking now there.
their struggle in here now they did.
Find any sign of forced century to this property
They couldn't find signs that there is any left, but there
something that looked like dark flax on the bedroom wall and it could be blood, but they also said
in all. This could have been someone. She knew it
was a homicide, the perpetual?
It could have been someone that Michel knew personally and so is light in or had their own key, and at that point I think we can all
say together. The Ex husband will suffer
person you look out right, yeah exactly so. We have this.
Relationship that didn't turn out to good this contentious
divorce and this ongoing custody battle for the kids. Well, it's quite obvious right
if she was murdered worthy
what's that her ex husband, had something to do with the very man who was extreme.
The angry with her over this custody back
Malware was Lloyd, though, at the time when Michel died,
he had a pretty good alibi. He was helping his
all. This daughter move
two Rochester for college and he had driven up there.
helped her move into an apartment and then,
stay the night at a hotel in when they checked phone records.
His phone was in that area too.
I time so his
by on the surface, looks pretty good and his phone records back it up and he had gone to California to his.
Maybe that's where he was when he found out Michel was dead,
The night of he was a hunch
miles north and he was with him
daughter to back them up so,
Why has this alibi? Any speaks with the police now, when he talks with them
he actually brings receipts to show them
he's been in other places. But the thing is
is when he first talked to them. He kind of alluded to the fact that he was in California and that kind of through them for a loop
they were thinking weight. Are you telling us you were in California, but eventually yeah? They kind of work it out to wear
he's like now. I was staying in a hotel in Rochester. So of course, what can they do? They,
check to see if there's any surveillance,
oh from their hotel. They checked in it, and there is
when they see him checking in at the hotel at the time he said he was there, but then what
do they see Aaron while the next morning, carry
and her younger sister arrived at the hotel at
seven in the morning
Sunday August twenty seven twenty and seventeen annoyed said wide invited her to breakfast.
and it was not long after that that he got on a plane to California, so course they want to know when you're at
hotel. Did you ever leave?
and he says I Didn'T- leave this hotel.
Between the hours of eleven p M and seven, a m. Of course they're checking those phone records, like you said
so they're not going to move on from Lloyd, but they're going to start looking around at other potential persons,
of them. Is nineteen year old
carry nigh writer after all, she
The last time she spoke with her mother. She had a terrible argument with her. Now they check her phone records Justin and what are they find their way
She said that she had had an argue.
her mother, the night before
finding that her phone with action,
at the house,
a general vicinity for longer
of time than she indicated a machine
tried to say it was now
more than a half an hour, but their fight
that she was therefore about two hours now
had a chance to speak with the youngest nigh rider carries younger sister and sheep,
them something interesting. This is about
Saturday night when they believe Michel died. What did
the youngest daughter say
well she said that she heard a commotion,
and lots of screaming. Ah she-
said it sounded like someone attacking her mother.
and when she went up to it,
to get to see what was happening
older sister, carry sort of intercepted her hand, told
that their mother was there
very angry and
Tom, they needed a leaf. That's when she
Took her younger sister and they left
I used to go to Rochester, so investigators think carry could have been involved
in this situation, but she's
strong enough to move her mother
so she would have needed help not strong enough to over
our her, not strong enough to give her honor and of a rope none of those things yeah, so they're. Looking
at this footage going through more footage from oh tell Lloyd had said he had stayed at its,
and he was alone during those hours that he was there from eleven p m to seven a m now they're finding foot
that showed. His daughter carry leaving
hotel room at about ten o three p m
on that Saturday and then some,
more than eight hours later hats,
thirty in the morning. Footage showing Lloyd
Turning by himself, I think that's a big find so he lied. We all know
happens when you lighted detectives. So at this point there thinking
it is the one that had the motive.
Obviously the opportunity, but the concept of he
and his daughter both being in on this is a little hard to grasp, but the
a skaters are following the evidence are following where he
is who is worth and
thinking. While we need to put more pressure on them, but one of the great ideas they come
worse than this is in MID November of twenty seventeen. They decide to tap Lloyd and carries found,
and they start listening in, but there's nothing to find there
so an investigator Enzo calling carry and says: hey can you
now the station. I wanna talk to you some more about this case laughter they hang up. Carry
immediately called her dad and said: hey the police
I talked to me and Lloyd tells her hey
I don't really want you meeting with them. I want
you to come up with some excuse say you have account.
thanks session in New Jersey
that you just can't mess that during
conversation Lloyd, even
laughs and ass. Her could you cry, and she said I might,
said you cry and say sorry, I have to go down.
It would be nice, then if it was just over and carry responded, that's the dream.
What do you? Do I mean you, listen to this phone call headed
you perceive carries tone and overall attitude both at them sounded hopeful that I would describe
but especially Carrie. She sounded very hopeful, and
this is my perception, but I would encourage anyone who wants to listen for themselves to go check. It out but dumb my take,
is that they sounded like they were hopeful that this was all going to work out in their favour. As I exactly what you expect to hear
From a woman whose mother has been found dead, so the district attorney
Looking over this case decides, we should get another expert opinion on Michel, so they bring in a private forensic pathologist
to take a second look at Michel, my writers case, and this pathologist.
they say that the emerging,
in the eyes, is indicative of strangulation and dad
rope was obviously pulled.
And down and not up as you would expect and hanging,
and they determined that this was homicide
and Michel had been strangled to death, which is going to give
thing to work with its called leverage right and they didn't have Michel's body for this
Second, pathologist to review so all day
were all of the evidence. Color
by the first pathologists, but this included there notes images of Michel's body and, like you said, the particular
merging really stood out. This is something I think throughout history.
was probably missed for many years and many
killers got away with crimes, because this is it
something that they were looking for forever, muted stage
He bade look like a suicide and you could maybe get it
with it. If someone didn't know what they were looking for, you have. The first
biologist. Not really taking note of this right there.
the peace that I would maybe knock. The first autopsy on was not taking note of it. I dont know
m for not coming right down, saying this was absolutely homicide because, again, I think that they were just doing your job in trying to give
investigators. I this
determine, but you need to investigate more, that's how I interpreted it but
I'm glad they went back and did a second one. So
on January. Twenty four twenty eighteen carry now
Knight rider was again
She by New York State police. This time this is an official questioning
now they are also showing up to collect.
Wade, Nereid her in New Jersey, and they told him your ex wife. Her death has now been ruled a homicide and they said we'd like you, take a polygraph test and he said sure he agreed right
He acted, shocked and appalled that
it was a homicide and I get there.
upset him more carry is feeling the pressure from the questioning.
And seems to be confused about her story. First time, she's talking,
about going over the house, she says,
that she and her dad when thou together, but then catches herself and one.
to retract. That statement and said
She went in alone to scope it out, but it's that law
before she starts just spilling the beans.
She confesses that law
Her father had come to her with a plan to kill her mother one week before her mothers death
Part of her statements are that she would be part of his Alan,
I and that she would drive
come back to
her mother's house and give,
access to the home and then distract
the younger daughter and then try him back to
his hotel that he was supposed to be staying out. This is a very
she has a lot of involvement was just put it that way, while theirs,
a bit of emotion, coming out, and I think it's wench
starts explaining the sequence of events she went in to
the scope, the place out and then her dad when upset
here's to wear her mom room was, and she could hear-
her mom, getting very upset saying? What are you doing? What like? Why are you here?
and she saying why why
when she starts to break down because she's explaining at that point how her dad attacked or mom
now she has a mode.
For her dad to do this to commit this murder. She said the her dad could no longer key.
but with the child support payments may be there
The real reason why he wanted so custody- and here
hold his daughter, carry that he considered taking his own life because well he just couldn't afford all this.
He said in the end he wouldn't take his own life if carry would help him
Her mother, Michel and stage it to look like a suicide, was an ultimatum
he said, I'm going to kill myself and you'll get my life insurance money or we kill your mom.
had to choose a terrible thing to say your daughter of
she did get along better with her dad. After all, it wasn't,
a story that she made up when she says that she was arguing with her mother a lot so
investigator asked her. When did you guys
first discuss. It was supposed to look like a suicide and carry responded. The first time he told me about this,
Then he said he was going to put a towel in her mouth, so she be quiet and then put the rope around her neck and strangle her. She said that, after her dad Lloyd Finish with,
her mother, then he went out the back door of Michel's house and got into the back hatch of carries vehicle, but carry let Lloyd her father and through the hatch back of her view.
Go and she believes that her younger sister was not aware that her dad was in the back of that vehicle. Then they drove
two Rochester, so they have this confession: Justin
This is everything they needed in all came about because of tapping there
pushing them a little with that call to carry so
Lloyd, who is so confident about ok, I'll, take your polygraph test. He didn't show up for it
now. We understand why he didn't show up for that final LE court date either because he had an alternate
plan to get its way. Yes, oh they
tracking him down he's down
He drove his car to the fifth floor of a parking garage and
He got out of his car and he was it said perched
ledge. He was gonna jump on.
and take his own life from the top of his car park, yeah, which I'm thinking
He was on the fifth floor, that's right
the cost of whether or not he would have died on don't know, but he had his.
When in his hand- and he would say
that he wanted to talk to his daughter. Now the officers
course they dont want Lloyd to jump, whether they thing
he'll die or not. They don't want him to jump so they're trying to talk him down. They end up having to tackle him to the ground, so they ve got him
and they arrest him. What are the charges here?
haven't felony counts.
First to be murder, first
a burglary first degree.
Custodial interference, tampering with her
What evidence second degree
conspiracy and said
degree solicitation? He was ass
charged with endangering the welfare of the child and offering for
statements and false instrument for filing
Carry nigh writer was charged with four felony counts, second, agreement,
First, a grey custodial interference, tampering with physical evidence and second degree conspiracy. Now we
and explain this earlier Justin, but this was a huge investigation.
vault multiple agencies and apartments, including the FBI, the Corning policed,
I met the stoop uncanny district, attorney's office, the New York State Police, the New Jersey State Police and the North Brunswick and Prince
the New Jersey police departments. This is a lot of cooperation.
The done their homework, and
They have a pretty solid case against these two. So that's why they?
our common in hard with all these charges and are now between the
but since they have the security footage, they have the odd
our seas and now her confession. Now they have them both
I'd say nailed to the wall. It wasn't as though carry
only talked after they cut a deal with her. She just told them everything now care
and her dad Lloyd we're going to have it,
wait trial. They both plaid not guilty, but district attorney Brooks Baker,
decides he could use, carries help to really make
her that Lloyd goes down so
and they say you know. If you cooperate with us, we could be looking at fifteen years to life. If you don't cooperate,
looking at twenty five years to life, how some hard time, yet
looking at just a minimum time there. She could not ten years off
wouldn't like that idea?
we know we already said earlier. Her dad had given her a tough choice. This was a tough choice to,
she's having to go against her dad, but she does. But this is where
She said something else to the investors that she hadn't told them before, because when she talked him
scares before she made it sound like she dealt with her younger sister and her dad down with her mom
but now she tells investigators that, after her death
murdered her mom. He had her come over
help him move Michel's body, so she had
move her mother to the banister and
watched him as he tied the other end of the black nylon rope around that
minister before shoving his
wife's body over the side. This is a big deal because now she's not just kind of running interference to help her dad now she's directly involved with
that right there. That means that she should be up there with her dad facing
here's to get emotional again, but there's this idea that she was manipulated, possibly by her.
add, and it maybe he'd been doing it for a long time. They talk about how he treated the daughters,
How it was a very year, has military
his style level of punishment is
dreamily, strict with them, and he did what's called
parental alienation had said ads,
when a child's resistance or hostility towards one parent is not justified.
and as a result of psychological manipulation by the other parent, but we know that
That's when someone's constantly putting it in your head that the other parent is it
a person valet doesn't like you.
Wouldn't mind, seeing you dead.
We see this in a lot of divorces, Bennets
A really disgusting
I mean. I know that not every
it's gonna, be civil, not everyone's, going to go through a divorce or separation when it
involves children's and be completely just fine with it, but when
turn your children against the other parent. Sir, it's really
move this district attorney baker. I think that this is
the guy that comes up with this idea that carry
manipulated in talk
with carry finds out. Twenty fifteen Lloyd had
that Michel had attempted to killer. This is
as they were, arguing the driveway
Michel started reversing the car to get out of it.
I've way and carry was in the way the car. Now she was never struck with the car by it.
This is where that manipulation comes in and says: hey she really
It won't run you over if only this happened. If only that happened, you could have been killed, and so this
District attorney decides well, you know he kind of steered her
to her choice, all along
It made it easy. When he gave her the ultimatum. There wasn't really a choice.
He was going to side with him. Now, I'm not saying I agree with that. I'll give you my thoughts later, but that's what the district attorney believed so what they have
I have a confession by carry. They are
have circumstantial evidence. They have him lying then something else happens. They get DNA
that aid needed it at this point, but
one more nail in the coffin her yet some of the day
they was collected from Michelle
bedroom and from the clothing she was wearing that night
now, there's no way that law
DNA should have been on her. They had not been spending too.
together and he said that he had not been at the home the night she died so
This really meant that Lloyd. Well, he had to give up a different story. Now he please
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I think he was trying to shield has
daughters. Actually, there might have been
an ounce of he wanted to do the right thing here. He
confessed and pleaded guilty yeah
no question about that on whether he
he's shielding his daughters or doing the right thing for them or
knows what, but the fact that he says that he hurt his Ex wife
he believed that she was going to harm his kids, that something that's unsubstantiated and really makes me question his motive.
action for anything in this case. But what is done
do since he's now pleaded guilty his our Carrie. She doesn't
to testify against him in court and she's going to be
large separately, as as it were her, and so typically, I would say,
all previous deals are now off, but something else happens. She gets a better deal right right
well Michel's mother, Jean Lundy. She wrote to the judge
and she said I'd like to have
spare my granddaughter, because I dont believe that my daughter Michel would want along
sense for her daughter. She would want to hurt,
a chance to lead a happy life. So
while Lloyd is, since the life without the chance of parole, carry that stuff,
the interesting part because she was looking at fifteen years to life,
For second degree, murder among the other charges, of course, but carry
has given one two three years for second degree manslaughter in late. Twenty
eighteen and she
released on January
exchange of twenty twenty two
didn't even spend two years in prison,
so Michel's mother and this case ass. The coup
To show me
and they did. But this was
Queen the family asking for mercy and the mitigating factor of how
what was she manipulated by her father? And I get those arguments I do
But when you
literally helped plan the murder dry
from there helped him monopoly.
the body and the scene
skater murder and set it up as a suicide, and then
lie about it
I'm sorry, I am
we see here teenage
who are they get away,
going to go robber, liquor, store and then maybe
the guy. That's robbing liquor store shoots the men
How the counter, or maybe the man behind the counter, shoots the robber, and we see that this getaway driver who may or may not had any idea TAT Vi
concern. Altercation was gonna, take place. They get charged
felony, murder and they get put away. What does that say
This is something to do with. Race is something to do with class system
the do with who they were in society, because we see them get away more time, then carry who was an exception?
sorry, he call what did ass. She was an accessory to this murder. I think oftentimes there
people who enjoy,
show but might take it.
action to how we analyze the people involved, and I think it's because you
I try to find a good in people, we try to see hope
because these are things that aren't really looked at it
games like anymore and we'd. Like the idea of
well being able turn around their lives, etc. But
have a hard time, understanding how they just let carry off
I guess: that's how I see it
and not only do we try to see all the good and all those things you just mentioned, but we try to
the consistency and how our legal system works, that right there
is the problem. With this case, I don't
Stan I in I've I've read what district attorney
acre has said. I understand
what Lloyd Nigh writer has said? Anne
ball. Trying to say that carry really wasn't
making our own decisions here, because she was manipulated so much, but damn I go back to her
kind of almost being hopeful and happy when she's talking to her dad they don't realize.
there being listened in on an island
think about how she's getting emotional when she's relating
knowing that her mother was being murdered in that house. I think about all this. I think you cited with your.
Had I dont know that it's manipulation so much as he was the preferred parent
and because he gave her a tough choices, really didn't want to go against them, not because of manipulation, but just because she got along
It doesn't matter how bright
and sunny and happy in grey
person. Michel was that, does it really count their people that will gravitates?
that she has her mother. She has friends have all point to that say she was amazing, but
everyone's gonna like her, and it is sad to me that Michel's life didn't matter
when everything was on the line, this was
is chance to look at the situation,
hey. I don't want anyone murdered. It's not like. She fought to have her dad, not take his life and to save her mom. Now she made the choice. I'll have
here. It bothers me that this is what they decided to do. I'm not gonna go out
you know, get petition signed or something but yeah. This is a problem. There
This is letting someone off the hook for murder, I'm not gonna.
Go on some tirade and say that what they did
was wrong here. I just want to.
System to take something like
This were somebody who
instrumental in almost every step of the way
and a murder planned first degree, murder
is literally allowed to
Meanwhile we have other people that had nothing to do with a murder
just were standing in the room when it happened, who get
three forty years, so, let's just maybe those people.
got the thirty forty years shouldn't have
It's all I'll say now wonder if
This would have been the same result. Had there been a different district attorney in charge, because I feel
This is this is like an opinion. This is just his call,
and now I be
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