February 22, 2017. Olathe, Kansas. A man re-enters a bar that he was escorted out of minutes before for spouting hateful rhetoric and, armed with a gun, shoots two Indian men as well as a bar patron who attempted to stop him. On this episode we discuss two different shooting incidents, the motives behind them and the responses by survivors. Gun crimes affect many more people than those who are shot. Immigration fears, racism, and outright paranoia can encourage violence against others but what can be done about it? Two strong women are working to change the minds and hearts of those who might commit crimes against those who they perceive to be different.
See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
This is an unofficial transcript meant for reference. Accuracy is not guaranteed.
I do it's a nightmare.
Doing! Ok! Just and how are you? I was
doing great on the way over. We had a horrible tornado warning, watch sirens going off, so that was fun almost cancelled arrow whole evening, but here I am, and here we are recording
Well, yeah, honestly, things have been a little rough lightly, but I got a really support of card from
charlie at insight. That's really cool,
Some people may think that we don't need support there. Like all you.
You're, doing great but raw human
very much, charlie and early, but you know what
The pod casters, we know, are just incredible people they're all very soon.
Of one another
So it's incredible community and of course our listeners are incredible to on this.
to that, please
the chance, if you're willing to do it
a favor go
to wonder he dot com slashed survey and feel that out, we really appreciate it helps out for their sponsors and stuff. We just got back from
I'm and never really fun to meet everybody s an amazing event, and if you're on
fence about going in the future just get that basic standard,
ass and show up. If you want to hang out
pod casters we
from experience that just ourselves but true crime garage
and inside and once upon a crime and the trail went,
hold on and on and on everyone,
it's time for you, because we're all
I to meet you so get to crime kind and
there's always meet ups and staff that are outside of it, but really well
a hundred people trying to meet you it's easier at crime con. When this
a shorter line. He I think, one per
and said it would have taken a linebacker to get to us. We have our minnesota meta happening soon at josephs, grill june. Sixteen,
so will be there if you want more details, go to our facebook, page and click on the events tab. We have pattern loved
when up an august, so check our events, tab for that
Also that's in new orleans, which is where crime cons going to be in twenty nineteen.
I don't get a lot of time to sit down and read a book moyes on the go,
but I love reading. So the solution is audible, audible,
offers, an incredible selection of audio books across every genre, best sellers new releases, celebrity memoirs, mysteries, thrillers catch crime and there too, as an audible member, you can choose.
Title a month, including
latest best sellers and new releases. One of my favorites is lost connect.
since uncovering the real causes of depression and unexpected solutions. Only though
on audible, let audible help. You discover new ways to laugh and be inspired or be entertained. New members contrived for free for thirty days does audible dot com, slash gaeta, BP or text gdp to five hundred five hundred, that's audible, dot, com, slash gdp or text gaeta BP, two five hundred five hundred to try audible, free for thirty days, audible
calm, slash, gaeta BP, dead mom to get word from our sponsor
I'm scenes. We ve seen them all right, washed up on the shore, sticking out a shallow graves buried under the house and stuck in the bottom of a lake, but sometime
There's a little more off the beaten path that makes you sit upon your
ouch and shouted your tv wait. They found the body where, but that's what you're looking for we got. You
ready to stream some crime stories. Hulu, it's a crime not to watch suggesting
You came to me with this story.
And our other say a story. It's actually more than one story, but you wanted to cover of
number of similar cases all in one episode
for a while now and then suddenly, you came up with this one and why don't you?
kind of fill us and what this episodes going to be about well and I'm gonna do my best
make the short not about me. But I've worked in aid
He all my life words
parting from help desk to desktop
you exact services to back up operators to sir
for administration domain admin. I've had a lot of titles and
most of my jobs have been in overland park in law.
would kansas at or with sprint reorder know, reorg
turned into embark, turned into century link lots of changes there
tat. While I was working in I t and when you are working for a company a corporation
Most of the software you use needs to be supported by people
Other countries, its very diverse group of people that you work with when you're in eighty
While I was at sprint, I had just
friends everywhere that
from all walks of life
from every nation country I could ever imagine, and they would
my coworkers and they were the people
I would hang out with afterwork. They were the people that I would have to call
get things accomplished. The project managers, the you know the database analysts, whatever it may be, there were
events. That happened out kansas that
say, followed me around us
were following me around. They were just events that happened, but they happened very close by
What I would call in my back yard. They happened to people that
maybe not people I knew personally, but it could have happened to my co workers. It could have happened to anyone that I knew, because I worked in that
yield and it's a very tight knit community and out there. So there's two stories I'll try to make the first one short but working at
spread on the sprint campus and then I move gone, but the sprint campuses.
Right next to a jewish community centre. In twenty fourteen,
which I was no longer at the spring campus, but I had worked there for many years,
there was a shooting at the jewish community centre, which is within walking distance of the spring campus. It is just right across a small field, probably
a few hundred yards at best, a man named frazier, glyn cross or frazier
Glenn Miller had
gone over. There had a shotgun and gun down to people in the poor,
king lot. Then he went on to a jewish.
assisted living center. So
elderly people who are finished.
at their lives in retirement
drove over there and
a woman was walking out into the parking lot and he pulled out his shotgun and it miss fired. So I went
his trunk and he pulled out another shotgun and he shot and killed her also. He
was captured shortly thereafter, that at a
your by grade school
it was sunday, so luckily
There was no children at the school when the
police officers, apprehended him
He was an ex cake
kay grand wizard. He had been
arrested back in the mid eightys for gunshots.
jews and inciting violence. He
is very anti semitic, to say the least, and in twenty
hen. He had actually ran as a right in on the ballot senator of Missouri. It actually tried to become a
state representative in his whole,
DR, was to risk
abolish the white race and wipe out the jewish people, who he feels
and blames for all his problems. Now I worked at the spring,
piss. In literally the shooting happened. I you would have been able to hear the gunshots and this guy,
an attack, anybody that I knew, but the two people
but he killed in the parking lot he killed.
a fourteen year old, named reed underwear
who was gone
owing to the job
community centre to enter a singing contest called Kansas city superstar. He was with his grandfather, William Cortland. Both of them were shot dead,
william corp run and his grandson red underwood. They read it audition for a singing competition reap visible.
scout. He had twenty two may
badges and he was working on becoming an eagle scout and he was with
his grandfather that day, because his mother had taken his brother to a lacrosse game. His grandfather,
had been a physician most of his life and
I done very well for himself. He was
just trying to help us.
Grandson out and and
came to this singing contest in the mom- was taken. The other son out. This is enough
one day for them,
he was heavily involved in his family lives. Any
ten grandchildren and relative
say that he made time
for each and every one of them the.
this. One was twenty three years old and the youngest was just an infant. Then he went on to the assisted living home, any shot, a woman
named Terry Lamont. Oh, she was there
her mother at the assisted living home
She was an occupational therapist and
he three years old when she was gunned down in that parking lot at village shalom sheet
typically attended the ST peter's catholic church in Kansas city, Missouri, now frazier. He thought he was killing jewish people
It turns out actually that not one of his victims was jewish. They were all christian, the
ernie there right he was held
on ten million dollars bond, so he's not in bell. That's one good thing right. What is so often when someone attacks
people were saying. While there is nothing about
this person before they success. They were quiet or whatever, and this guy has quite a history.
oh yeah, and we was he now on some sort of terrorist watch list or something I was on the
the southern poverty law centre had him on a watch lists. Definitely he was a higher highly
it
anti semitic, individual
it's a premises. He wasn't,
well to buy weapons because of his prior
felony conviction back in the eighties. So, yes
his friend, a man named John rival, they went to
gun, store and a walmart and John purchased
and because he had a clean record and then immediately gave them to frazier
Glenn Miller frazier.
He was, I thought you was seventy three years old at this time, he's not in the best health, but he ran for office just four years price
or I think he got seven votes aaron. So you know if we ever wanted to run for office, we could probably rack up more than seven votes and his
buddy John, who did the strongman purchase, was given probation for buying annex
k, K, grand dragon guns that
was intending to go, kill jewish people with when he
to court. He told the judge
that he didn't have any money, so he would need a public defender,
and then he would ultimately fire all of his public defenders and represent himself
and really this was so. He could spread more of his hate rhetoric.
during trial, get it on the record and a really didn't even defend himself them
Hosty defended himself was if I
had known they weren't jewish. I wouldn't have shot them that
was literally, has excuse and any pleaded not guilty.
Luckily, the jury found him guilty
and handed him a death sentence actually, which doesn't happen very often, especially in kansas city.
Oh the fourteen year old read his mother, Mandy
she actually found their bodies. She saw them after they ve been shot.
and she got
gather with the jewish community center and they had a vigil?
But this was a tough time and it was really
close to home. For me, I had friends call
me saying: are you still at the sprint campus
Are you ok? And you know this is
just to set up for what happens next, but frazier Glenn cross.
will ultimately get sentenced to death, and, I think
his family. Actually, who has renounced him and has nothing to do with them. Do not
have his paypal rhetoric do not feel the same way he does. They were plea,
what the jury to give him a life sentence, because with a death sentence he gets automatic,
heels, and they know that he is going to turn this into more,
if a a circus
he's just gonna show showboat his paypal rhetoric and just get
that out there more and try to become a more
therefore the white power movement, so
and his family was saying: don't give him the death penalty,
because he doesn't deserve it, but because
it'll be the only way to shut him up. So at this point in my career, I've now
gone in been re badge to embark in century link and.
their building was located out and gardener Kansas, where I would drive
every day in work and there
was a sports bar in gardener called austrians that eight lunch,
literally. Every day I worked there, they have another location, that's an old later and I think I ate their a couple times. Gorman was low,
It is not too far away from gardener. I pass it
Every day I drive into work, and I had heard great
things about garment the gps company and I
this thought, if I ever lost my job or needed
apply somewhere else. I'd probably apply there. That was just one of the things said
I had in the back my mind as a backup plan on February
many seconds of twenty seventeen adam parenting, had
shown up to the austrians bar in a later where there were
two men from india sitting having
you're, afterwork watch
the k you game, how very american right
yeah. They were in america on visas, they were
working for garment. They were
sheen of us could Ebola and his good friend a look modest johnny. So these
guys their hanging out their regulars at ostiense
and if you ask the manager at austrians, eighty percent
their clientele, are regulars so Adam.
In his early fifties, shows up
Adam also is wearing a shirt. There
as a lot of metals. Pin to it
in a random fashion. Yeah here,
He was an ex navy guy, but I have no idea. These metals were ones that he actually had earned or if he just picked him up,
military surplus store and feeling.
Adrian with his metals that day he asks them. What country are you from? Are you here illegally and a look?
kind of shocked and put off. He doesn't really know what to say, because he's never been confronted like this and his body, whose very goofy his like yeah
where from India, where just here now, he again there really com
guard they're, not sure what response there is, but they can see that disguise angry ye,
work sharing of us was trying to do. Was you know
little humour with it and try to calm the guy down
damn
It didn't seem to work, so he yelled at them.
and other patrons, and people that work at the bar see what's going on end.
Tried to intervene, parenting says why would you take their side over mine
That sounds like a paranoid statements me yeah
when he says this. They understand. Oh.
Where why your white,
they're not were taken
their side over yours? He definitely establish
she's a divide here- and everyone knows what he means by this-
They come over and intervene and escort adam away, say just you gotta go in
the guy. That runs the place even told the guy. Don't worry about your bill just leave, and he
mills around the parking lot for a bit
actually leaves. But twenty five
and its later, he comes back with a gun. He has.
Tal over his head and he's hunched over as, if he's
and to conceal his identity when he comes back with the gun. Now he's
just angry now he shooting and tree
boss is facing him and takes the
front of the shooting yeah he elles, while he's boiling trigger what he had to say now is to intended. Vic
they're sitting outside on the patio, so he didn't
to come into the restaurant to do this, but
There are patrons out there and the owner of the of asteroids, his kind of,
got. You he's on high alert now, but this happened so fast that there's not much you can do now. He shoots shrine of us multiple times. A look gets hit
The leg and he dies down under the table and is trying to
crawl away he's just trying to survive
but he sees his friend any just screaming. Why did you do this? Why did you kill my friend?
meanwhile, there is another patron at the bar named in gridlock.
and when the shooting began
he was hiding under his table and he says he counted
Eight or nine shots and heath figured that the guy was out of bullets, and so at that point
he jumped up and ran over term to tackle them
a lot is actually form
military as well, but he was a marine and he's a big dude he's he's a big country boy
and he's really nice guy and he hung out to one
the k you game and just
everybody else. They were all there just have a good time and have a beer and he
actually intervened during the first
altercation with Adam and
helped them escort him out of the the restaurant. So
He is now running up to tackle Adam
turns on autumn and fires a shot into him,
He goes through his hand, hits his collar bone
bounces over the left side of his body hitting his spinal cord and punctured along, but even so he has taken this man down
they struggle, but Adam Farrington gets away. He jumps
carney drives off at eight thirty four
emergency services has com and started taking everybody way to the trauma centre at K. You mad it's the closer
hospital that has a trauma centre. For this. There are clear
her hospitals, but they will not be able to treat gunshot wounds. Some of the patron
that were there did their best
sheen of us out using napkins, towels and even a shirt. They did their best.
to try and treat his injuries so that he could make it to the hospital, but at eight thirty four they pronounce him dead in.
Is not in good shape their having.
Put him in surgery he's in critical condition and a look is
in serious condition, but not as bad as in and the funny thing is ends in his hospital room, getting
worked on and they keep saying, there's two victims, ones and critical, and he kept them
It was the other guy at ten p m
the police, go to the home, where sheen of ass lived with his wife, sunni anna
they ask her to sit down because they're going to give her the bad news they tell her.
that her husband has been killed. She doesn't
want to believe it. First I mean she's
I accept it should just
seen him that morning dead exchange text messages. He was saying that he was going to have a beer after work.
but she knew something had happened because she had been texting him and she had tried to
him just to come home, so they could go, get some tea and then he had stopped me.
During our back. So I think
new adjust its
The news he just don't want to get at twelve forty that night, a bartender an apple
he's an Clinton Missouri, which is better,
drive away cause authority.
And says a man
and came in here me sat down at the bar and proclaimed that he needed a place to hide, because he had just killed two men from the middle east
He said that he had killed two iranians, the good
here is that this woman com
the authorities
chief said don't shore,
with your sirens. Blazing come quiet.
so that you catch him,
This is just I have to give some
on how ignorant this comes off. He doesn't know
difference between? I ran
in india
he doesn't know the difference between some
from the Middle east to somebody from asia, essentially
india has three times
the population of america when they had their blue.
Out there. There entered
problems,
literally the amount of people impacted by that was the point.
relation of amerika
the sky, was in the navy. Buddies, never pulled out a geography book. It just really
goes to show that it doesn't matter,
who you hate, who you are mad at you're, just going to go after them.
and he obviously assume that these were
two men that were from middle east
muslims that were illegal, yet they were highly educated here on visas working a garment.
Take a moment to get a word from our new sponsor priceline. Do you have a group chat where you continuously talk about summer getaways, but never
they go anywhere well,
summers. Finally, here it's time
get out of the office or your house and get a change of scenery with price. Fine. You can save up to sixty percent on your favor hotels plus, find amazing deals on car rentals, an flights and when
save money. You can explore more. That means more beautiful views and experiences and more poolside fun doesn't matter where you travel as long as you're out of the office. I always use
price signed to find the lowest rates out there and you should do have price line. Every trip is a big deal,
when you're ready to book your next summer. Adventure visit price line, dot com for the best deals that are
we get more out of it. Take moment to get a word from our sponsor cove
cove believes everyone deserves to feel secure on security.
wouldn't just be for the rich and famous: that's why they make home security systems that are
see to install affordable, canned, reliable cove arrives,
good for your home and you install it and just mere minutes. No technician required and it's easy to control from the sleek touch screen or up its professional
great systems price to be affordable and come with life
equipment, warranties, faster results
and sometimes think competitors because threats, don't sleep. Sakharov doesn't either no contracts. Twenty four by sea
friendly customer support. Try the number one customer rated home security system order today and get fifty percent off your customs system get started.
Cove, smart dot, com,
Before we get into what happens with Adam peer, let's talk a
bout, sunni, honour and train of us,
of them had aspirations of coming to america and king
education and working a career here. Three
boss was the first come over and when
sunni ana do mullah wanted to come over. She wired up contact persons
air, some one that was from where she was from, which was hide her bad in india,
and she contacted her best friend in her best friends, brother gave her a list of four names and said here: some people can contact who from hider bad
If you're over therein, you want somebody
two or help.
In some way. These are the people I would recommend. She just shows the first person on unless the call first or actually to write to first, and he was sure of us coochie boat, la
She was pleasantly surprised when he wrote her back and
she gave him the task of, can you check on my application
for university over there and he did that. They just started writing back
Fourth, and before long they started becoming rather smitten with one another and it starts getting serious, and so the
First time actually got to me. She was not prepared
for three of us, because
she stands about five foot tall and he's six foot to his is almost
All me
personality, wise. She was pretty quiet and she lived a pretty good life in india, but she didn't have any real life.
experience. So this is, I think, one of her
your drives for coming over to the united states was to really establish yourself as an independent person, and I think her parents were
supportive of that, but no one was more supportive than tree boss
and they were married in two thousand and twelve by the way and had dated since two thousand six and in fact,
sweeney vos, who had two brothers, his dad really pushed the education
aspect and said you need to be edgy
hated, you need to get a career, and so what
The stories that came out of that was,
You're bosses, older and younger brother would often just run away when their die would say. Ok signed a work on your studies, edge,
Many of us would stay behind because he would do well
dad asked of him. It paid off because
he graduated and was able to secure
good job. As an engineer he wanted
just that, but he wanted who would become as well
if sunni honor to be six
will do and
would say what, if they don't like
in terms of getting hired, and he would tell her this.
What you're here, for you can do it and he read
really supported her so from the get go. This was a very good couple, very good bond. In fact, the only
complaint that I could find that sunni anna had he would
times, go to the bar ostiense bar after work and hang up
This work bodies sometimes
He just wouldn't come home when he should have come home and that's because
he's having a good time but other than that this is about.
who very much loved and supported his wife and she loved
supported him. She would make his lunch in the morning,
send him off to work it out with a hog and everything and then what
we come home. She said he would just burst through the door.
and sometimes she would run and hide in a closet. He would call her
nickname out ninety ninety ninety and come
looking for her and then he course he would open up the closet. He would find her it just a little flour
the kind of game that they would play. If you can't tell he's a very good
the outgoing guy and very playful
yeah. Maybe he was very, he was
much more reserved than a look. A look was known as morbid while guy there's a story,
out there. How, when
train abbas, had shown up with his new car? He had gotten. I think it was a mazda, a look literally.
up on the hood, he was so excited and dented the
as he landed on it,
should any of us was known as being very calm in the face of
anything- and he just said- it's ok, we'll wolf book at a fixed, so
A look was much more, the crazy guy by Tom. You know he met
look, because when he first came up
or he wanted a roommate when you're trying to
to university, even with, if you
of any kind of advantages:
with scholarships are or what have you
We need to have somebody help you with the rent so
that's how he met a look and they got along great their car, like eating yang in a lot of ways, but just cause
friends and intercourse. They worked for garment and
Frida boss was very much
involved with aviation systems. Here,
interested in planes that he was interested in automating things that people used to do manually when they flew planes. In fact,
when he first started working for the first company, which I
was in iowa.
mentor said this guy's better than I am.
So shrine of us had a passion for what he was doing, the
programming language he worked with was python and
said he was fluent in it. So this is a
That by all accounts would skip lunch because he
We wanted to complete his projects as quickly as possible
and get them right? So if that meant skipping semi elsie would do it here just
Passion about his career about is the work that he was doing so him and his wife are both graduates both have
he's good. I t job sadder high end high, paying and they're trying to live out their dream.
yeah. They end up being a house that was three hundred thousand dollars. They walk through it and
there's a moment where he basically says something about children. That was some
in that sunni on a really why'd. She wanted have children with him and the house they bought was actually in a
that's. A nice house ran a thousand dollars and
his right near an elementary school
for that I lived in an apartment building, so you
under these are immigrants there from india, and we do
people in america who
don't know how to deal with immigrants or just straight up, don't like them, and
what happened earlier with the apartments was everybody in the park.
Spelling, basically treat them with nothing but kindness, accept
or an old man who gone
elevator, one time with him and told
Many of us in our basic you, immigrant,
or something you know just basically saying you don't belong here when sunni ana express some concern like oh yeah. Maybe we're not welcome here. Srinivasan said: don't worry, he's he's an old grandpa, you know it's fine, but they would see
shootings on the news. They would see hate crimes happening before their eyes and she
I always had this reservation. Her husband
reassure her and hold her. Yes, reno.
Very much believed that if you put good out their good comes back to you, I think he's got good right.
and to think that, because he always approach people with a smile, always engaged people, and
got a lot of people to talk with him. He
I don't know, I don't know that it's winning everyone over but a lot
people really liked him, and even when it,
in the three hundred thousand our home. He had people
I came over and introduced themselves and welcomed him and his wife to the neighbourhood
I may just seem like he was right.
brace america embrace your neighbors embrace or co workers, and everything is
hang up, they have a nice home. They will.
therefore relationship and he's
a visa and she has a visa. A quick
explanation on this, though, is her? Visa is dependent upon his and when he's shot and killed. Her status is now revoked, but it's an automatic thing right
cousin yeah, because this is tied and he has an eight should be one visa right, he's the one
above visa holder, her visa depend
on his when he dies.
And her status, just basically she's, not
I have valid immigrant any more. She will probably happen
return home here so she's been victimize,
her husband's been murdered and now
facing deportation.
You do know action on her own she's, a
database engineer. She has
a job, but
now, she's having too
figure out what her next step is by the way,
their house in the neighborhood
lived in wasn't too far from where the attacker lived.
Yeah, I think they said it was about five minutes by car here
tuna is looking at deportation, probably
she does get some assistance from a congressmen in kansas by the
fyodor and its
He stepped in and helps her out and
I would say, while you did the right thing, but I ask
I'm not trying to say he's not doing the right thing by? I almost got the sense to that. He understood
Hence the importance of the people who work for these
these businesses in Kansas? Don't you think, that's a part of this Jessen, oh yeah, and I'm glad he stepped in, because these corporations need workers,
and they have tax incentives and all kinds of things to bring people in. So if there
being deported and attacked, and whatever they're not gonna want to come here and work.
I can only imagine if you read in the news that some of them
africans, wherein name whatever country and were
gun down at a restaurant and then
there surviving family members where you were deported, how would you feel about that? Would
You feel welcome in our country. Would you want to go there,
well. We know how people would feel about that, because rail
It is of three new boss were actually talking about how people shouldn't
able to united states anymore for work. It was day
dress you could be shot and killed.
Damn that's the way they perceive
it over in india and its
the blame them because they lost someone they carry a great deal about. So I guess by
odor stepping in and sang
we're. Gonna handle this visa stuff. Don't worry about it, it's what she needed, because they
no one can bring sheen of us back in
we can help her pick up the pieces at this point there I mean she's lost everything,
Oh, this is something that very helpful, but
on the other hand, they also have Adam parent in who, when he
so this first hearing he please not guilty, of course
but that's almost like a standard answer. Right
When you go to a hearing, it's it's almost like a foregone conclusion that that's what's going to happen, but his lee
changes doesn't adjusting yeah does he gets
oh representation, and he gets to see the impact of what he's done and I think he has a I of its a change of heart,
he seems to understand what he's done. Theirs,
little bit of a contrast here with the shooter. We talked about earlier a little bit,
because that other shooter was a k k k
you know, and then this shooter, who was adam puritan according
the neighbors. This was a guy who was a navy that he
done a lot of different jobs. He was a dishwasher, he kind of did it all, but he had lived with his dad and according to people who knew them, they said that Adam had a best friend and
best friend was his dad, but in two thousand fifteen his dad passed away from cancer,
said that Adams always
then a drinker. But then after his dad died,
it just got worse and worse, and he had to do
wise on his record, so
any time he was driving around. He was very careful when he drove but
directly after the shooting. We ran home for a minute. He came
flying into his called a sack
His neighbors turned to his wife and mention something about wow.
That? Shooting we just heard about watch? I bet it's him
and he wasn't even serious, but it was just because Adam was acting.
Himself afterward. When people
asked about, and they said we didn't think
he, was violence at all, and we're not
sure he was racist. He just seen pathetic
has he drank so much any didn't take care of himself. They said
looked way older than his ear
you mean he was in his early fifties, but I thought
he was the same age as the kkk guy. They they look
similar ages in their photos. Life had really been hard on him and, unlike
his family, unlike frazier Glenn days,
said that he never had there.
Strong rhetoric he never talked about. Hating me
fuller, anything and they said he was very carrying person, so they were shocked when they heard about this.
unlike frazier glenn, where his family just assume that that was a foregone conclusion there
as witness that said that he had said something disparaging about a black man on the street, they use an example of when he was getting his roof worked on all of them.
Cause we're hispanic and he actually
ought chairs out and drinks and talked with them. Some ends
very friendly, so
we don't really have a clear picture of just how race
is this: guy was with all those witnesses at ostiense bar. That said, he said this and he said that. That's. Why
this rhetoric, if they work,
I come from is that just in you all the time and when yours
over. You can keep that be sit bay. I dont know I dont know what the answer, as all I know is. If
You go in shoot. People like this. You need to go to prison right again. I guess
health was going downhill and he's in accra.
So yeah alcohol gives you. Superpower
hours and cures cancer, apparently in his mind, but he was also
paranoid because he was going
to the visa for medical assistance, but he
I assume that the doctors
There were out to get him that they weren't doing anything for him and
would make disparaging remarks about that so disguise.
on a downward spiral where he's going to crack and snap at people when you have here
full or violent radiation out there in the public. It's never
could eventually, if you keep putting it out there, he gonna get some
to believe it
and they might act upon it and it doesn't matter who it's coming from its it's considered. Threatening and divisive
a reason. So we are talking about his plea and then had changed. He
and changing his plea to guilty
and he had also contacted a neighbour and
his neighbour that he screwed up
way. I read it was. He definitely seem like he understood that what he did was wrong, I think,
maybe that's all the best that we can hope for out of this, because this guy was pretty screwed up. If
best we get is that he didn't comes out emits what he did and I guess we have to take it.
but unfortunately we know where do we-
get justice for sunni, ana exactly and she's she's been victimized? A look has been victim
raised in has been shot and victimized. There's ripple effects here
that happened. All these people in has nerve damage in his hand and
the bullet, I guess, is still in his chest. They couldn't remove it. So there's that a look was why
king on crutches for a very long time going through rehabilitation and sadly
when I look at a look
can see it in his eyes and his face at his losses,
best friend and it's changed him both of them suffer from ptsd from the event. This is not something that just happens.
as an effect any one in their community, and this is the reason why I wanted to talk about is because I work with all kinds of people I work and I,
he I work in overland park, I could have worked with these.
As I could have been sitting at that bar it's only because I quit those jobs and sorrow
Podcasting that I probably wasn't that's that's, how
close to home this hit for me. But what these ripple affects you go back to the first story
I was fourteen years old, shot dead, his brother
as a teenager deal with the death of a sibling. It's it's just insane. So he becomes
depressed and suicidal there mom Mandy is China just hold this family together.
you're, probably listening to this podcast, because your curious about something and that's why they create
magellan tv, a new kind of
documentary streaming service for smart, curious people.
wanna see something worth watching if
Crime is your passion. They have a deep collection of binge worthy playlists and original true crime stories. You won't find anywhere else from numerous
gives on well known serial killers to new cases. You haven't heard of all from a historical purse,
give the ties it altogether magellan
ivvy will satisfy everyone's true crime interests right now, they're offering a huge discount. So you can try magellan tv ad free for less than the cost of a cup of coffee. It's a great value, just gonna magellan, tv dot com and putting the promo code podcast. When you check out and enjoy thirty percent off a month quarter or the
asked value, yet an annual membership you choose come see why they call magellan tv tv worth watching for the question
of justice, though you kind of have to
leave it up to the justice system to handle the attacker, the person who did all this harm who killed. But what will you do
the thing about these two cases is both men,
and sunni ANA boat decided do something I don't know
That brings them justice
so much as it brings them peace where they do testing. Will they
actually met at an event
sunni ana was speaking at an mandy approached her. There is not a huge
population for the hindu in kansas, but there is a much larger muslim
population, so muslim groups came out mending.
Was organizing a christian group that was doing edges.
regional meets with the jewish centre,
So now we have the jewish community, the christians, hindus and muslims, or
coming together all trying to raise awareness doing
events like ask a muslim ask: a jew
sunni honour and many are both.
and raise awareness about these issues about hate and about love me,
while the community reaches out to help there's a gopher,
we started for sunni ana era,
that over seven hundred thousand dollars had been deposited into it and then the girl
he received some money too
not for profit, called india house, Houston, raised
thousand dollars or a home. I've read it both ways, so he would have a place to live after this event,
While his entry was pretty serious, rajasthan yeah
and he he still,
as functionality of his hand but he's able,
walk around by he looked out. He did have a collapse long here
recovered very well physically, but
mentally, it's not been easy forum.
And you can hear it when he talks while he was on
because so many people that are fearful that there
be reprisals against them for being immigrants by america
you don't want them here they can
get someone like in or the other people that were at the bar that night, who stepped up to try and help save three of us, and it gives them
hope. It says you know why
all americans hate you not all of it.
and looked down on you because you're different,
A lot of americans want you here, they're happy to have you around. They were,
get to know you. They will
try to save your life if something happens, and as just an hour, he said and me when you have the
these community and the muslim community and christians all coming together to talk about love and hate
I mean what else do you need? This is proof that you might have
news, you might have some murders here there by the vast majority, really want to come together and looking at in
also. I mean the guy looks like a he's. Really tall country boy he's got a dog named odin. You know a lot of people wouldn't expect that from him you can't judge a book by it's cover. You can't just paint everyone with
one stroke of a brush as a well. That's what I think of that guy
in is this, so
viewer this hero in this situation, where he prevented further
loss of life. There
were signs in india saying. Thank you ian. Thank you
chased a man who had already
fired a number of bullets at some patrons in the bar. He was at and wish
himself so
That is a hero. He was willing to risk his life
stop this man who had just killed. Somebody essentially, as we said, Adam appearance in changed his plea to guilty that
for three counts. A premeditated first degree, murder. Now the way I understand this because
He shot at three people they're, getting him
first degree, murder charges here, because his intention was to kill
exactly and that's just how works in Kansas, the shooter, Adam parenting was sent
two over seventy seven years in prison, which his
fifty two years old. So this is a life sentence. He'll be
over a hundred years old if he ever is eligible for parole the process
it in the case charged him with federal hate crimes?
which compounded his sentence and added
additional years to it. We had discussed. What would
sentence this guy to, and you had brought up that possible.
They could have sent him to death yeah. I was a little surprised. They didn't you.
There is any kind of remorse shown by the sky that was taken into consideration, or did they just now.
feel the need to go in that direction with it, because this is the hate crime it is, and I think it
comparing contrasted with the
Jewish community center shooting that man
showed no remorse, he doubled down in court
and he has a long history of
racism, violence and is
please menace to society, whereas Adam here
more or less a one time event, it's a horrible heinous event. He appeared to be somewhat apology.
Dick and trial there are moments. You look at him and I don't really think I'm fishing here, but you just look at him in there. Just a sensor defeat. You know some,
People hold onto their anger unfortunate
Will I really feel like this guy's rage was fuelled by alcohol. I just hope that
I learned something here. I think we all hope
someone who was sentenced in he's going after
for the rest of their lives that they feel remorse
understand what they did wrong. They're reflecting on it,
maybe in some way I'll make some kind of amends, but
this was an even more
driving us to do this episode, though right it was most,
lie about how people use violence
without really understanding what these
the violence against. I mean they have these concepts these
ideations that they have in their head, but
they really don't even know what they're doing
I mean they're shooting at people they think are jewish or
from the middle east, but they're not do
that their shooting at christians are the shooting at people from india
No, they don't even know what they're shooting there
know what they're even attacking and
I look at most x
miss groups- the imf.
Of hypocrisy and who,
Even their intended targets are, and then they end up killing what they would us, what
anyone would assume their own people its exists
blind rage. That is misguided and in both of these
cases. They don't even know what they're doing
they don't even it's just its repulsive
to me that bees,
I mean. I just look at both of them and I think you guys attacked people who add value to our society, whereas you
not in the case of frazier new guys in his retired
and then he goes after a fourteen year old. Just what is that
and with Adam these in alcohol,
who can hold down a job, and she
people that are established shoots, people that are trying to build families, but their kids through college
one more things that every american or every father or mother is trying to do in any country. Really this whole case has been
the most emotional ones. For me, because of
I pass employments were what I do where I've been, and I've eaten at
austrians, were the shooting happened. So I
this guy's dead me. I hope that
all the survivors, all the surviving victims, I'll be checking on them I'll be looking for their updates if they
have go, find means all don't
some money
There is ever a news story about one of them. In an event there doing, I might try to go attend that yeah
at ANA had said something in response to a question about the death penalty and she's, not really
favour of it, but she has also just
letting the system do it's going to do. I think she's, just let that go and she's foe
this on now and the future and
is a database developer for
touch solutions. Her company is very supportive of her because
They said, if you need time off, you're always have your job here, and they also help
establish forever welcome and deeper
so forever. Welcome is to highlight
the human stories of immigrants, so that
people understand that these are people. I know it sounds like a crazy concept,
It really is that simple its education when
get to know somebody
it's not so easy, just a label them and walk by them and not pay any attention when
get to know their story. Then it changes things
no. When, when I talk about being affected by this,
it's because of sunni ANA Duma
because she was so good at explaining what her life was.
Before the shooting. What our hopes were with the dreams were what their accomplishments had been
proud. Their families had been, they were planning children, but that all was destroyed.
because of the actions of one angry person.
this initiative forever. Welcome is probably the right step, because
again, will you, sir, to learn about the stories these people? I don't know
You can turn away. I'm sure there are people they can, but I think there are always people out there that, when their faced with the facts,
it's going to be hard to turn their heads away. At that point, don't you think just an absolutely. You
you set to individuals down on a roman you're, gonna people,
come to agreements you're going to have to people understand each other, where
when you have an angry mob on one side and pro
asters on another
you're, you're never going to have a dialogue. This is her effort to reach out and educate people. Men D had established seven days
it's an event with their the jewish community centre and the other groups. That was their whole point, is just to have meetin greets with it,
different churches and other organisations to raise awareness to educate people on
the differences between religions and their believes it something so simple, but so needed.
I have spoken with a lot of my ex coworkers? I even spoke
with robbie crime con about
what it's like to be a muslim in today's world and on a lot of people say it?
little scary, and that they do get looks, and it is something that I,
at least try to be welcome
and everyone I'm around the matter there,
skin color or religion,
We'll try to make that little extra effort when I'm out in public to smile,
somebody or wave or just be kinder, because I dont know if
buddy, just sneered at them more made a comment under their breath or what they're going through in their day
One thing that sunni on said that really got semi was she wished tat she and
trina. Boss had been able to conceive a child before he died, because then she could look into this.
Of her child and see trina boss,
the
when you're scrolling through social media. How can you tell what's real anything can be posted on line without being fat chat? But if you heard about the secret to permanent weight, loss
Why didn't you give it a follow? Tommy's sucker brought founder of the trendy high fibre factor. Diet has the liberty file,
where's, including megan, kelly and supermodel olivia cocoa, but allegations of troubling side effects
diet, began to surface and people started a question ass. She selling powder or power Emily jealous a popular fashion, influence her saw these allegations and put the diet on blast to her own large social following she launched a crusade to expose tanya any effect or factor diet. What was once an online feud escalated into the real world
the resulting in threats. Lawsuits and a whole lot of drama from wondering. Comes a new series about wealth, wellness and influence listened a fed up on apple podcast, amazon, music, spy,
fi or you can listen early, an ad free by joining laundry plus in the wonder YAP.
Transcript generated on 2022-08-27.