Westfield, New Jersey. Derek and Maria Broaddus purchased their dream home in June of 2014. They were excited to move in and raise their family in a beautiful neighborhood, but they never got the chance. They received a series of disturbing and threatening letters from someone known only as “The Watcher". The Watcher claimed ownership over the house, and asked for the “young blood” of the Broaddus children. Derek and Maria’s suspicions turned to their new neighbors, the people who were supposed to welcome them into the community.
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workplace drama thriller severance now streaming exclusively on Apple TV plus, so Aaron tonight's case is one that I've been looking forward to for a while. I've read
about this and listen to other people. Talk about this case a lot and it's it's kind of
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mystery in general, I've been fast
aided by it, and I am happy that were covering it now, so that what are we talking about tonight tonight we're talking
a case they began in twenty fourteen in West Field, New Jersey. It concerns a very new
his home at six, fifty seven,
let's just say this couple and their kids were put
need to move into this new home for them when they start
receiving threatening letters and that's
weird address like its system a number and boulevard. I, when I first
at about it. I was like, what's the street name away,
New jersey and end up in the northeast they have
when they were first coming up with a neighbour
it's an residences. So I guess I didn't need as much of a street name back then so,
this was in twenty fourteen and
its Derek Maria brought us who bought the home and
I referred to this as their dream home it's. So if you look,
pictures of the home. It's it's beautiful, and this was there,
on my way to settle down and this nice neighborhood with their children and
essentially by this very
expensive home! I think one.
three million, and then they were going to renovate it was probably
a hundred thousand dollars more to make it their own. So this is
good chunk of change and obviously it say, upper middle class neighbourhood. I want
point three million dollars: that's wow! That's a nice home! It's not
and you know San Francisco, where that would be a a shack or LOS Angeles, Sir or Dallas Texas, throw that might get you're a stand
normal home butter. It's a nice area and
they are in it
closing on the home June, second of twenty fourteen. It was
three thousand nine hundred and twenty square feet with a half acre lot, and this purchase came just before Derek's fortieth birthday kind of a nice birthday present there. They purchase this home from John and Andrea Woods, who had lived there,
for more than two decades, and this definitely was one of the better homes on the block,
pickle fashion. There are multiple people, look,
at this home to buy and apparently before
brought us the clothes on it. There is a buyer who backed out
they got some bad medical news and another one founded different home. That
who did them a little better? So,
things really were looking.
They were lining up perfectly for this couple, but this Sir Perfect home didn't stay so per
I think that they're doing reservations on the home. They don't move right in on. You know
fourth or June fifth they have caused.
Actors and people coming in to work on the home so there
kind of doing a slow move, a slow role into this home, but day
are going there and checking on the work and checking the mail.
x, Ray June fifth Derek, had
and working at the house and he went out the check. The mail there are typical bills,
stuff in there, but one envelope really stood out. It was this: why
envelope and addressed on the front of it
where large letters the new
owner and so
he opened this up and insight
It was a typewritten letter and this is what was written
dearest new neighbour at six. Fifty seven boulevard allow
need to welcome you to the neighbourhood. How did you end up here? Did six fifty seven
all of our call to you with its force within six fifty seven but
part has been the subject of my family for decades now and as it approaches its one hundred and tenth birthday I have been put in
large of watching and waiting for its second coming, my grand
their watched the house in the nineteen twenties and my father watched in the nineteen sixties. It is now my time
do you know the history of the house. Do you know what lies within the walls of six fifty seven boulevard? Why are you here? I will find
out I see already that you have flooded six fifty seven boulevard with contractors so that you can
straw the house as it was supposed to be Tis Tis chest bad move. You dont worry
to make six fifty seven boulevard unhappy. You have children,
I have seen them so far. I think there are three that I have counted do
to fill the house with the young blood I requested better for me, was
old House too small for the growing family or was it greed
mere children once
know their names, I will call to them and draw them to me. I asked the
it's to bring me young blood and it looks like they listened, who am I there are
hundreds and hundreds of cars that drive by six fifty seven boulevard each day,
B, I in one
look at all the windows you can see from six fifty seven Boulevard,
Maybe I am in one look out
of the many windows and six fifty seven boulevard at all the people who stroll by each day
B. I am one welcome my friends. Welcome! Let the party begin
This letter was signed, the watcher, I'm cool
used. He said. Allow me to welcome you to the neighbourhood, and then the right
still the letters essentially creepy threats I got it
as it starts off nice enough right, dearest, new neighbour,
There is an obvious pattern here, which is to keep mentioning the address. What are you thinking
going forward this, for assuming its a man could very well be a woman. Well, there are,
so obsessed with this home, their obsessed with anyone that lives there and there
making it known that they know where this person lives mean. Obviously they dropped the an.
up their mailbox. It just intimidation- and you can see the
wacky train of logic here of
come to the neighbourhood. Do you know anything about this house and what lies on the walls, and then they go.
onto hundred and twenty and you're already messing up of contractors. So now I'm offended cause you were so
is to know about the history of the house and blob lie. Exists is
adding and stupid, and this person's nuts. Why don't know if it's stupid? I know if I head
bought this house, and I got a letter like this. It would disturb me so.
of stupid, comes to mind, but is a threat and am I think, you'd have to take it seriously.
But what do you do with such a threat? Right, it's out, general,
they're, asking questions which obviously they can't get a reply to
because they're, a coward and they're not
but their name on the letter, while that
yes, preserving their power at this point in time.
They know their enemy,
eighty is secure, so they can make threats about the couples, children and get away with it
it reminds me of everybody on Twitter and Facebook its, but it's a little bit more personal here, so Derek
as alone and its nighttime in the evening about ten o clock and
he turned off all the lights, he's probably thinking
while no one can see what's going on the house if all the lights are out, so his next action is to call the police
and when an officer arrives,
handsome the letter and the option,
Reed's lettering. This is his quote. What the fuck is this,
First question, obviously, is Derek: do you have any enemies
moved into the neighbourhood, no enemies so that
is basically I guess a smart move, because now the police are aware- and they can open
by case, but then he s
go and tell his wife? I dont know if this was an easy move. I know
its couples are supposed to be open and honest with each other, but you know
go and tell your wife that you have a stalker at the house now I dont know how,
comfortable they will be mine to go to the new house. I would be too
on this, because I wouldn't
want to worry anyone, because you don't know how sir
yes, you should take this, but at the same time you want them to be,
alert and worried, so I am with them. I wanna told my wife, too,
he tells his wife, then they right too.
former homeowners, and they asked them. Do you
anything about the watcher
the next morning, Andrea
words replies and she tells them that they did
deed receive a letter back on May twenty fourth, which was just days
for they had moved out and all
You tell them was that the letter mention that this person
as observing them and had thank them for
caring for that house, but they threw it.
because, while they didn't understand it and he didn't seamen
Morton to them they decide about one of our neighbours appreciated,
having us around and they threw it away without any frame of reference or context it
Who? Who knows what that letter men specially
people there are moving out, they don't care, they just want to close on the house and start their new life. Yet
there's no reason for them to lose any sleep over it and they went.
so far as to say they felt safe in that home
and they rarely ever lock the doors. So it's at this point that
the promises are moving into their home or trying to move in and some of them
whereas come by and strike a book
rotation and they're giving people.
Tour of their new house? Now, I personally think,
This would be a little weird, especially if I received a letter or two
threatening me and my children, but they invited
some of their neighbours in and one of the neighbors said
be good to have some young blood in the neighborhood. That will become a word that
used over and over again and these letters, but
cool, saying people up and
with these. They just referred. A children or new people in the neighbourhood, as young blood or
this, the actual perpetrator, you know who knows
But another letter shows up on June eighteenth.
just a few days later and Maria had checked the mailbox, so
I guess it's good that the husband told her hey. There is some crazy
person writing letters this way she knows and expects it
But this letter is, I don't just
as crazy as the first one. It says, welcoming,
and to your new home at six five, seven boulevard, the workers have been busy and I've been watching you unload car falls personal belongings.
its creepy dumpster is a nice touch, yeah! Well, you know
written, a message on their dumpster saying in all go out yourself.
found out what is in the walls yet in time they will
I am pleased to know your names now
and the names of the young blood you have brought to me. You
certainly say their names. Often is your daughter the
Stan the family, six, five
in boulevard is anxious,
for you to move in
has been years and years since the young blood ruled the hallways of the house
found all the secrets it holds yet? Will you
blood play in the basement, or are they too
fraid to go down there alone. I would be very afraid if I were them,
far away from the rest of the house. If Europe
here, as you would never hear them scream, while they see
in the attic,
or will you all sleep on the second floor? Who has the
dream facing the street.
I know as soon as you move in it will help
to know who is in which
bedroom then I can play
all the windows and doors and sixty seven boulevard. Allow me too
Are you and track you as you move through the house? Who am I I am the watcher
and I ve been in control of six five, seven boulevard for the better part of two decades now
What's family turned it over to you, it was
their time to move on
kindly sold it when I asked them to pass
many times a day, six, five, seven
of art is my job, my life, my obsession and now
You are too broadest. Family. Welcome to the product of your greed. Creed is what
brought the past three families to sixty seven boulevard. It now
Has brought you to me
the happy moving day. You
I will be watching. Well,.
talking about watching their children and twenty two
screaming this letter scene.
to give a few more clothes, I would say: no, if I
He had only this letter to go off of I would probably
ass, that whoever wrote this letter is someone who wanted to buy this home but couldn't afford it
This sum sounds like jealousy and they figure
this other family got to buy it, I'm upset, I threatened them made
I can get them to walk away from this house and its not that hard to figure out.
the names of the people that bought a house? You could just look at their other mail. You can look up public records of who the house was sold to there's a hundred different ways to say,
somebody, sadly, and nothing that this
son has been saying. Is that hard to find
Firstly, if they are watching from across the street
and they see that they have children more for them to know that
children's names that something else and I think that
I would just guess that is someone who lives very close by has maybe even
broken with his family or
spoken with a neighbor who has, but this is where you,
ask yourself: are these threats real as one
If someone threatens you and me
your choices. You can walk away or what you hinted you would have done. You can basically tell him bring it back.
just see. What they're gonna do call em out on it. I guess
The reason why I behind
or why I would take that frame of action is because typically
when somebody's threatening you when somebody's doing this kind of crap too long for
its hands are tied. They can't do a whole lot
idea is instigate something make something
then said, then law enforcement can get involved. It's not that I'm sure
to be a bad ass or anything
now. I want to engage with them and try to get them to say or do
something that does cross the line said, then I can turn it over to the police now that there
something interesting in that letter. Is they misspelled
families name, which that's a little odd, well,
what's implied here, is that the watch her has heard their names that suggesting that
haven't seen the mail and because they have identified that
children, by their nicknames again data
no the names of everyone? They know some names
and they know nicknames. So it's at this point where
very hesitant, actually move in so,
There's a question: just in every one of the things that was implied was there:
something in the walls and
Erica Maria. They actually attempted to get to the bottom of that. Was there
thing in the walls, in other they pad
work being done in the home.
they brought in a home inspector who did go through the home, and now he found was a lack of insulin
I have my opinions of home inspectors, so I'll keep those two myself for now. That's
be to say, because
I don't remember what movie it was, but there's a haunted house movie where there are bodies hidden in the walls or you know a shoe
box with secret center in on whatever it is so this is
trying to insinuate that this house
has secrets or skeletons in the closet. It doesn't hurt to look, though I would have done the same thing. These
let us talk about young blood and what's in the walls, and I started to think, could
been a body in the walls? Was there a crime
was covered up long ago. Maybe someone else attend.
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twenty four teen, the broadest, is received
Yet another letter from the watch, her
Third letter said: where have you gone to six fifty's?
and boulevard is missing you. The house is key
from all of the pain it is going through. You have changed it
made it so fancy. You are stealing
history, it cries for the past
and what used to be in the time I
gets halls. The nineteen sixty were a good time.
Six, fifty seven boulevard when I ran from room to room imagining the life with the rich occupants there the house was full
life and young blood, then it got
old and so did my father, but he kept watching until the day he died.
I watch and wait for the day when the young blood will be mine again, six fifty seven
boulevard is turning on me. It is coming
I don't understand why. What spell did you cast on it? It used
be my friend, and now it is my enemy. I am indeed
charge of of six fifty seven boulevard. It is not in charge of me. I will find
it's bad things and wait for it to become good again. It will not
wish me, I will write.
again I will be patient and wait for this to pass and for you to bring the young blood back to me. Six. Fifty seven bullets,
needs young blood, it needs. You come back. Let the young
I play again like I once did let the young blood sleep and
expecting seven boulevard, stop changing it
let it alone. So there's too,
things that stand out to me is one
their noticing that the family hasn't moved in yet because there
asking. Where are you and then
talk about how they used to roam the walls back in the sixties and at that point,
thinking. Well, I can just go through public records and search all of the previous owners of this house and probably figure out who lived here,
and who might be writing these letters. But does this mean
a little bit of an investigator like that. I guess I don't know if it's a simple mean think about
they might have run the halls because they were friends with kids that lived there
If you find the previous family, you can ask that family what other kids roamed around the nearer the gotta have a lead, but this is gonna
firstly, freak them out and they're going to
take all these letters to the police again and show them what's been written and what
psycho has been trying to do. But one thing is
or does tell me is it seems like this is somebody who wants that house. They won't control
house I dont know exactly which way, because it straight
that at the end of this third letter
The watcher is saying it needs. You come back. Let the young blood
play again like I once did the. What is this mean
do they really want ownership of the home or do they want some kind?
control over who lives there. It's feels like a game to me because
now at this third letter it seems less sure exactly what their purpose with these letters is there, so that
take this seriously just in and they start working on the front
except this? They start interviewing people. They figure out that
letters had been processed in Carney, the: U S, piazzas
your vision centre
it's in the northern part of New Jersey, but I know from the Unabomber
case that you can drive and male letter from another post office. So it's it's a lead it something right. It may not be.
Lead that helps with this case necessarily, but they are.
tracking things down. They also
I say that
first letter was postmarked June. Fourth, that's before
the sale was ever made public. So that's quite telling the woods
the prior owners- never put up a foresail sign so who
the water is, they must have lived very close
He had seen this family visiting the house and had been able
overhear them is what the police theorized Ized. Does that's super creep
That just means that they had to been in the news.
Somehow, so this detective,
active Lugo is shown around the house by Derek and Maria and he's just
trying to get a look at the house because he knows
it's in the letters and he's trying to put this.
Together in his head. He noticed
the easel data that
it is his daughter had put out. There was hidden from the street
So if you were out on the street, you wouldn't see this easel, but if you are
standing in a say
to the side of the house or
behind the house. You could have seen it
That might be a clue as to where the watcher is because it almost feels like the watcher is in a home watching so
once again, and this is something I don't think we mentioned it yet. But the police had told
brought us is don't talk about
watch your letters to anyone, don't mention it, don't bring it up in it because we
a lot of people to interview this purse.
That sending you these letters, maybe a neighbour, and if you just
talking everybody, you might give some
thing away, so we don't really
want anyone, knowing that you have talked
thus etc, but I have to say,
Justin. If you have
is visiting the home. I think the watch her nose absolutely is
Yes, but I get their point because if you don't
any neighbours about it, and then one of them brings it up out of the blue. Wow tat could be a tell ya
so Andrea Woods,
prior owner she has been
Munich hating with Marie over email, and she has a theory. This is what she said
The mention of the contractor trucks in your children suggests that it was summoned to the neighbourhood, Derek
It had a conversation with a neighbor had his neighbors name was John Schmidt and Schmidt,
had told him about the length for family, the Lange for its were peggy.
who was ninety and her adult chill
and all in their sixties, they live next door. Michael Lang, furred one of her children didn't work and Schmidt said he was a blue rat.
character, for maybe the younger people in the audience just India was do you want to talk about? Who Bradley was? That would be a from to kill him
king, bird, right and kind of the
the questionable creepy guide,
lives down the street, the misunderstood character, yeah
her adult son is. It is said that
He's a little slow
misunderstood, but with all that
don't think he was the one writing these letters.
because these letters are not eloquent but they're they're, just there well written- and I don't know
That son would have been capable to come up with all of this
detail. All of this all these ideas. I have no idea. I ve never met the guy, but
He is misunderstood. So he is a prime suspect on the list and Derek because
This conversation start suspecting that the land,
or it could be involved and
The reasons are many, but where the first things is after that date
David visited the house and told him about the easel. Well he's
Going about that, you said you know that easel is in plain view of the late for at home, Richard length furred. Who is the patriot
of that family died into.
And to answer.
these letters keep referencing doing the job for the better part of two decades? Well, maybe it in
its implying that Michael took over four Richard, but I think you know, if you
where to go around and learn d histories
all the neighbours,
be another house or to the UK
find a similar
situation with right
said that there is a house right behind. There's that had I come back, DEC
porch and there's always chairs out there in the neighbors were always sitting out there and if
get to know all your neighbors. I mean you're gonna find
specious things about all of them- and you could literally just come up with
kinds of theories. I don't know if it's kind of
hard to say who would make a good suspect,
because I think all of em would probably mecca good suspect some
Brian Derek they contact the police. Again, they talk with
TAT Lugo, and this detective said I brought in
Michael Testacea, for an interview a week after the
first letter arrived. So apparently
active, was on the ball
it was already on this. This line of thought. I gotta give this guy
because normally stuff like this, just like I, u tell something, happens, there's not much. We can do in this guy's taken
very seriously and interviewing people even swapping
the envelopes and staff to get dna profiles. I'm impressed now might
who had denied knowing anything,
about the letters or about the threats and accorded this detective MIKE.
Did say things that matched
things in the letters, but just
because there are some similarities doesn't mean that they have
reason to arrest this man, so they really couldn't do much with what they have
you already said just any you figure, they would need more than what they had to do so
and well. I think it should
that there was an they wanted to tell
this family out, but their hands are kind of tied UK.
Just a rest, someone on suspicion.
in here when there
Nothing really support it, but this upsets dare come
yeah, because they feel like some
has to happen. You know how that works,
someone's upset enough and feels like the police need to do something will, if they don't, then they're, not
this is a tough one because as much
or insinuated threats there is nothing that
saying I'm going
you come kill you or murder you, but again, I think deed.
Active, is actually doing good work here, Hermes, actually,
questioning people is doing stuff, so I'm
surprised by that and on a map that he's doing that. That said,
The broadest is they're gonna,
take some matters into their own hands, and therein start putting up cameras and stuff right, we'll Natalie
but they're going to start their own investigation,
start with the cameras there
really want spill, the watch, everything around the house and keep the lights out, so he can pure out to see if anyone wants
under the property he also started mapping out the neighbourhood. He started keeping track of what
people move Dan, what there
Guidelines to his house was seeing if anyone
which neighbors were close enough that they could have heard the family talking. This sucks speak
Is he should just be enjoy?
his new home. It should not
to be on the defence of like this. He should not have to keep.
tabs on his neighbours because that's not
but neighbours should be doing me should be just helping each other out now you have talked about
couple who lived in the house behind the broadest and the house painter for the couple said he had looked out the window,
over at this house and then he said he saw an older guy sitting in.
the chairs there, but he said
He thought it was strange that he wasn't facing his own house. He was facing the broadest is now me personally. I don't think it's that weird. But time
you know if you're getting strange letters- and you see this
Maybe it is weird, I think it's
normal, to phase out away from your house and look at you know your neighbors backyards or whatever at that's normal to me, the family,
so hires a private, investigator and, of course, is for
focus, is on the line for its. But despite idea,
search in a deep look into them.
his tree- he doesn't five.
Interesting or reliable here, but he does find to China
sex offenders within a few blocks of the house, but again not
thing, stands out as being connected to the letters here.
If you haven't gone out to the sex offender registry, you should, and just
pop in your own address. It's very opening their next step, because
so far hasn't panned out
was to hire a former FBI agent to do a profile and a threat assessment
and down. He came up with
interesting information, he believes that
Whoever the watcher is that therein, older writer,
and there are some reasons for this: isn't there Justin in
he talks about the double spaces.
Between sentences, the vocabulary-
in Grammar, in it
implies that the writer had high level
education, they didn't use any profanity which, according to the FBI agent, so
it's less macho or more feminine bandar
they believe that the writer was inspired by a movie called the watch. Her
our key on a Reeves who play
a serial killer whose stocking detectives, I think alike.
those things are valid. I disagree with that guy. I think the brighter could
been influenced by a movie. But I still think that
ass to be some motive here,
I don't know who watches a movie and they all want to do that. Maybe, but I would think that, because they are
mentioning the address that this house.
is of importance to them for some reason, yeah and they obviously are close by
it isn't a situate
and where somebody's two towns over writing these letters. I just can't see that so there
FBI agent and his
is Robert Lenihan
He comes up with his own theory. He thinks
that not only is the
cheers someone who is all talk but also believes that
obviously a former housekeeper or amend
of the housekeepers family.
doing this out of jealousy? This
explain why they felt
there was a sense of ownership of the place-
also jealousy because they couldn't afford the house themselves and that's where the the
red comes in his they're saying you know the house cells for so much. You have to be agree, family or a person to pay that match, and you know in their turn
did mind, deny them the access to the house. Well, this
Had all this there
can Maria, especially from I understand, Derek. He still suspect,
being that the Lange foods are behind. This and so the police work with them,
they write a letter announced
down the house now, if
watcher is obsessed with the house and finds out that the broad
this is our planning to tear it down, you can
age in that should be enough,
them to write another letter right because the more
information they have, the better so their whole
for another letter
kind of using my strategy of instigate something. That's how you get the the
next to come out of the grass, but nothing happens. There's no fourth letter and this detective
brought Michael length for it in for another interview and
sister Abbe, this is Abbe Linford was
that about this and accuse the police of harassment, she's upset that the police
be focusing on her family. How this directive says. I really
don't think you're gonna get another letter because they didn't risk
onto the plans that we announced by tearing down the house- and I think,
after this second interview with Michael that, if the length
our behind this? I don't think they're going to write to us if they are behind it. I get it
logic. There I get what he was going for so, and I think that when you do
threatened to tear down the the object of this person's obsession,
and you don't get a response. Then, at that point
how serious can you take these threats? I still think that you should take them seriously, but they're not
spawning to these
so it's isn't this all a game, or is this something that they truly care about? Just in the book
prices are being accused of harassment by the Lange and and
It doesn't seem to have affected the way the broadest is approach, this issue
because after the private
best Gator and after the police interviewing the Lange for its multiple times and
and bringing in an FBI agent former,
the age to write about profile and thready set
They then higher an attorney Levitt who meets with the langfords and their attorney. Now
This seems like harassment to me just in just because this attorney meets with them and says: ok,
we have all this information, your house's is disclose. You have direct line aside the easel you could over here
this being said by people at this house. If you open your windows, we feel like you're them
Behind this situation. This just me
the angrier and they they furiously defend
go. They say he's innocent had nothing to do with this
it's just a sad state of affairs because you can't prove
wrote the letters in
that all be nice and packed up. Neatly
so it's all allegations, it's all paranoia and
driving these families apart and dumb. If that family
the neighbours are not responsible. For this
then how are they supposed to feel? You know we, what a fewer than
store neighbour and your being accused of all this stuff and then the rest of the neighborhood also is
giving you the side. I because you know, are you harassing this new family
So what can you say accept? Despite
checking the envelopes for DNA in finding a profile which didn't matter
anyone that they checked it against,
canvassing the area interviewing people bringing
former FBI age in bringing
and especially, I think the major thing for me was announced
they had plans to tear down the house and nothing so
the end of twenty fourteen? They have nothing. They say
that this investigation is completely stalled and the family
the broadest promises Derek Maria? When do they have to face
acts and say
This is a no go: either move and live there or sell em in the last
time they mess with the house. They had finished,
innovations. They had even
stalled and alarm system, but they just didn't move in. I think
became their obsession. Justin right yeah I mean, and that's what happens if you are being stock to harass,
is it takes over your life. I mean you can say
their obsession, but it's not
a choice. They would rather not focus on this, but when
you feel like somebody's threatening you or your children? You can
really control, how you respond to that you're gonna. Just assume that somebody's out to get you and it doesn't
have to be that threatening. Somebody can just be
messaging you obnoxious things like they do on the internet all the time somebody can just
correcting you, somebody can just be sending you D aims, are emails or just
talking about you somewhere and its upsetting, because somebody
their hates you that much that they're gonna take the time.
I am to do all this stuff and I feel for the family, and I think it's
that they don't feel safe and that neighbourhood and they just spent all his money on this house,
even now announce like people say
well, they have the money and Bob Bob. But still this is
dream house, and this is what they are trying to do and then all of a sudden, I don't feel
If there are any more and they're gonna leave and aunts, I don't care who they are
I do feel some sympathy for them. It would be tough to
plan to move into a nice big knew. How might this and
essentially have it taken away. That's how they felt
and my understanding was the house that they had for this one
nice house, but it wasn't nearly as expensive, so this was
big move, their big dream and it
is taken away, and I think big
as of this in their frustration at not being able to pin it on someone and get to the bottom of it and feel safe that they are.
and to the bottom of it, they suffered
Marie I understand was diagnosed with post traumatic
stress disorder. So what was your next step? It was
file, a lawsuit against the woods is the prior family because they said
you had gotten a letter days before you moved out from the watcher, and you did
disclosed it right away. We should have
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before we go on with this kind of want to get your take. On that I mean I understand the frustration that this family has, but do you think they have
a reason to file this lawsuit other than just being upset? I mean: do you think, there's something to this that they should have known about this letter? I don't blame me
for trying? I don't blame them for wanting to file lawsuit, but I've.
had a lot of seller.
not disclose way, worse things to me and
When I went to a lawyer and said, can I see them for not disclosing this
essentially the law,
is what I always say, it's going to cost
this amount and we have to prove it- you also had an inspector go through who didn't find.
and said issue with the home and
they're like so you'd, be better off either suing needs
better or something else but
they pretty much said unless the house has been
foundation is completely you falling down there. They just said here it's impossible to win in court with this, and now you take
they got a letter before they moved out of their home in their supposed to disclose that to the buyer.
In a letter that wasn't even that threatening or weird. Now,
have a case here and it sucks
as I sympathize
let them, but that's not enough, yet
What I'm looking at is that letter. If we believe
Andrea and John, that letter
was basing like. Thank you for taking care of this home. That's not threatening,
and I can see why she just threw it away, I think this is just a shot in the dark here.
Because this family doesn't know where to go and they
think they have a right to be upset. I just don't know that the Woods family should have been the target of their ire, so court
This story starts going viral, and
I can understand why, but it also fuel speculation and because its pay
up steam and reporters are wanting to write stories on it here, podcast
do stories on it. Eventually, you start to work,
is this an Amityville house.
situation where someone will may
up a story because
they need a way out right? Maybe they'll get money from this
Maybe they won't lose their, but on the home, whatever it is, maybe
Eric and Maria brought us made this up. That's the specula,
and I'm not saying that.
For anyone that understands like if they, if they feel
like this family turned around
and sold their home at a serious
was over four hundred-
thousand dollars. I think in lost
renovation and everything for them
you, do that and think
gonna get a tv deal or movie deal, the math doesn't work out
and getting a movie or tv deal is
so random and and just like the odd
of you landing. One of those things unless
you had a friend indian
sorry you're probably not getting a tv deal and then, even if you do
tv deal whose essay they're gonna give you a dime.
You might say, I need a million dollars for you to tell my story. May my disco we'll just tell your story anyway, so the
idea that they did this
for attention or for tv deal, is it doesn't work out for me? Yet
I know personally that we ve talked to a person or too who have had already six
swell, shows and worn
both to sell a next one, yeah and again it's
Even if you got a tv deal, would that make up for the loss they kept dropped
the price of the house over and over and over again and no
was buying it
honestly, I wonder if
when they were trying to sell the house today, disclose that they got these letters because
if you look at disclosure laws per state there, all about struck
all issues on the home there all about stuff like that they're not about you- got threat.
letters. So it's probably not something that you'd have to disclose anyways are worth
That tells me that the Broadus wouldn't, like
had been behind a hoax here was that they had not been telling everyone about the story,
you know, as rumours, had gone around people trying to
then they really wouldn't talk to people about it, and it's only because
is the story was getting around and reporters
In summary, questions in writing on this case that they finally felt like they had to tell her kids about the watcher, but
Since this all came to light. The town Hall
as the scene for a meeting June, twenty four twenty fifteen
Mayor had to assure the public that the police had done an exhaustive investigation, but of course,
this, despite the mayor, saying, there's
thing to see here, everything is fine, the neighbours in
see it. That way. Did they know? Why would
we would you if you knew that one of you
neighbors had been harassed relentlessly to the point where they sold their house. What's next right
I almost wonder if you have better had they not held that Town Hall meeting, but he had her grief. Agree in a case like this in any
stocking case? What is the best response? What is the best approach to dealing with it?
I know when it comes to internet.
ass meant the best approach
to ignore it into block people.
and I wonder if,
His family had just completely ignored this. What would have happened?
personally, I might have walked out to the mailbox,
saw the letter and after the first one just burn
Second, one leg literally lit on fire in my front yard: just left some of the ashes on the ground, so the person came back. They would see that I didn't even read their letter. I just it you know,
showing them like. I do now
care what you have to say, but when it comes to threats,
you can't just ignore it and they did what they could
it is also something about human curiosity, its varied
the to just burn something when it contained
information that you might want to know about, so you had said-
There are some stories going around about Michael Length and Michael had a brother named Sandy
and he told the police my brother has
It's a friend here and he will do
things that will alarm people he likes,
look in on new neighbours. He will lie
through their yards or look in their windows, but that's actually a good thing,
showing that he's interested and he likes
see them there, but dont.
harming anyone. He wouldn't harmony, one another
person a neighbor. John Schmidt said that Michael picked up his
paper form every morning, and he said
night and others a lot going on around a around the neighbourhood about him, but I dont think he could write letters
Now we had said earlier on just in that they had found some dna. This was female dna and they couldn't match at anyone.
Because it was female dna, then they started.
Betting, maybe Abbe length effort.
Involved, because she was a local real estate agent.
Maybe she was upset because I'll
was losing a chance to get commission on the house, and so here's what they did is a detective. Had a security guard at abbeys ah
this steel, her water bottle by God,
just got net and saw the dna from the water bottle was complete.
here too, the dna from the letter, but it was not a match.
Course Derek Maria therein
upset. They want the Lange for its charge. They want them brought in, but the prosecutor's office is saying now they're not suspects. My would we do that.
Especially when DNA has excluded some of these people in it
I know that my you were talking
curiosity, some of these
letters or threats might have some kind of
information in them that allow you to fit,
the case out, but I guess
this point in my life. I've-
receive threats. I've received hateful mail messages and I just I don't even read it anymore. I just block it
and I dont know how I don't know if that's the right thing,
Do I I just don't want to give anyone any of my time
I'm or attention that doesn't deserve it, but
have kids. I have other people around me that I have to protect her look out for either, but the other thing is, this house was a big investment for
so you can understand why they're not letting the skull I mean, I I wouldn't have sold them,
I would just moved in and ignored it, but that's just me so part.
The broadest his own investigation, included, showing their neighbours a hand
adding sample from the watch her. Now
understanding was: is the front of the envelope had handwriting on it, but the letter itself was typewritten. Now
you can still give you information, of course, because of the
things are said in it, but really what they
you, as they end up, hiring a firm where there
a forensic linguist who can analyze these handwriting samples and stark comparing them to people on the internet,
They have some idea that possibly whoever's doing this. My
themselves away because of the way they say things,
again. The sounds a lot like the Unabomber were his own brother brother in law, figured out that
I recognize this writing style in the context of the letter that goes nowhere
ass, a surprising, but it was
the Tri Guess so Derek then tries to get.
someone to help him by breaking
and two WI net.
in the area hoping to
be able to get into computers to see if there's any incriminating documents. It's not a good thing that, and you know, TAT
credit. He doesn't actually go through with it, but that was a sign
aspiration. I believe that he was trying to look into this finding a hacker to help him do this, but at that point
actually breaking the law worse than the letter writer, but I get the police ask
Korea, woods for a dna sample and they also talk
There are twenty one year old son these.
Don't pan out either, but it shows that there are still too
to help out the promises their trial,
to be helpful, even though there was this lawsuit and everything, but they ask
but the end if they can do anything to help find this perpetrator that caused them
to then their willing to do it. Now,
Sadly there was a fourth letter. Justin there was a family,
lived at six thirty three boulevard, that's
that they got a letter they, I guess.
A picture of it and threw it away, one of their older children
posted about it. On the on Facebook,.
I would just assume that if you knew the background,
This whole story, if you knew everything that was going on, that you would hold
make a headline, and I don't
maybe they just didn't want anything to do with it.
one thing that I wonder about dressing is Marie abroad is claimed that the police had given her a name. I suspect, saying we.
Gets his person, but we don't have enough evidence to files.
It is against them again.
This is desperation trying to let people
hey we're making progress the police are making.
Progress there watcher better watch out, but the
feel police. They said
never gave Maria name it's.
no, whose telling the truth there, because the police might be saying, hey
he gave you that name
confidentially and now the fact that you're talking about it is
against our agreement and we would have never told you or given your name. If we had known that
going to talk about it. I don't know. Sometimes
police officers they they want to throw.
about you know to pacify.
You make you happy be like hey. We got something it.
for me to know. If that,
true or not, but
it was a name of one of the people that they did a dna test on then we already know that that didn't pan out,
I am not saying that the broadest us,
lying here, but I want
This is just something they kind of blue out of proportion.
seem like the watcher was in trouble. Absolutely so one of the detectives.
was sitting outside the house in a van. Where
at around eleven p M, a car stopped in front of
ass Obvious- is going to get their attention, so they
Is this vehicle too?
woman that lives in a nearby town when
he's asked about this vehicle stopping in front of the broadest his home.
while she says that her boyfriend played as the watch her in a video game, that's kind of suspicious slow yeah,
It's weird is like oh, he played as the watcher so their wanting to check
the house that the watcher is watching mean is that what this is so
they asking. She says, woman
boyfriend will come in for an interview, but he never showed up that
definitely be a prime suspect at the top of my list. So once again, people are talking and they get
This idea that may be the brought us did this
but you know we already covered this. Justin idle
think anyone would take her for her.
Thousand dollar hit for attention
I will give you another example of why they,
probably won't behind it. They had turned down
multiple movie deals and life
I'm ended up releasing a movie title. The watcher and the broad.
says, had sent them a cease and desist letter to try and prevent them from releasing that, but it shows I think, that they didn't want
out there about their situation. Etas wanted the watcher found and brought to justice
so obviously the broadest is aren't going to live at this address, so
They need to find another home. Now they're gone
stay in the same city of Westerfield, but it's now
only sixteen and because of their food
actual situation being what it is. They had to borrow my
and they also you
Dan L see to keep
location of this new home private are smart,
good idea: hadn't thought of that
now you had asked, I wonder if they disclosed the watch
situation to potential buyers, well, a pen
they had, I think that's another taken
box for them, because if they had not die,
all the information they'd be hypocrites,
and it would show that maybe there was something up but yeah.
No, the rescue take by saying
I know you want to buy the home, but here there are some things I need to tell you. You know
the word by it- and you have to say
things that you know might bother some people well enough.
blow the sale again. I really don't think
This is where behind this- and
I don't know how popular opinion that is, but I'll stick with it. We talked about
There was a demolition plan well and twenty
sixteen. They filed an application with city to damage.
Their house and then
happen was under the proposal. The property would be divided in there.
Two homes built there, but they ran into a problem there.
it was just shy of the required with to subdivide like that
So they had to go to the city Planning Board hand January Fit
seventeen the city Planning Board
voted unanimously to reject their demolition plan because just the-
wasn't wide enough and they think also that it wouldn't look right. They think it would hurt the neighbourhood overall to do this
and this was for liner, Stana, very, very lengthy hearing and they were
neighbors their speaking out against the plan, can a wonder
animes to watch it right. Dear. No doubt now act,
This decision didn't go their way. The broadest is really
You notice that there is a family that wanted to France
five. Seven boulevard despair,
they said we're not worried about the watcher butts.
say what Jason? I think they were
a little worried about the watcher. I think they were sceptical, but they did.
a clause in their lease. That said, if we get a letter,
We are allowed to move out. We can break the lease. So six
Five, seven boulevard got some new tenants on February. First, two thousand seventeen. So just in a fourth letter, we
have the fourth letter right while we don't have in our possession, but we know what it supposedly said: February 13th two thousand and seventeen the new tenant gave Derek a white envelope. This,
is dated the same day. The broadest gave their depositions in the lawsuit against if prior owners, here's what the letter said,
Violent wins and bitter cold to the vile and spiteful Derek
wench of a wife, Maria, you wonder who the watcher is turn around.
Daddy it's. Maybe we
spoke to me one of the so called neighbours who has no
idea who the watch or could be, or maybe
You do know and are too scared to tell anyone good move. I walked
the news trucks when they took over my neighborhood and mocked me away,
does he watched from the Dark house in an attempt to find me telescopes him benaco?
are wonderful inventions? Six five seven
of arts survived your attempted assault and stood strong with its army of supporters, barricading its gates, my soldiers of the beloved
followed my orders to a t. They care
out their mission and save the soul of six five seven bullet.
Park with my orders. All hail
watcher. You are despite
is by the house and the watch, your one, maybe a car accident, maybe a fire
maybe something as simple as a mild illness that never seems to go away but makes you feel sick day after day after day after day after day, maybe the mysterious death of a pat loved ones suddenly die
planes in cars and bicycles crash bones. Break did so
pretty threatening. But again it's I don't know,
It gives us any more information on who they are. I guess
that's where I I wonder if we could ever figure out,
This person was without dna analysis without tying somebody directly to any of these letters,
apparently they don't really know what's going on with the house at that point. This, of course, prompted Derek to take
the letter to the police and one
The text is just because
even more certain that the watcher had to live within three.
you're, the of the house. I don't know Justin
The thing that set out to me when I read this letter-
was not only was it the first real threatening letter threatening violence, but
early on the questions,
Ass, you wonder who the watcher is turn around. Eddie I mean
if you took that literally I'd, say it's the house behind them exactly, as does it say, right, yeah
could it be that animals wonder if their taunting them saying in a you brought in all these people to work the case and we're not scared.
Do what you will you now, but the woods is:
John and Andrea. They had a fight on their hands because they had this lawsuit against them. On October, told twin,
Seventeen a judge threw out both lawsuits
one from the woods and the one from the broadest is, she said, there's
evidence that what Johnny
Andrea did was wrong and furthermore, this judge-
Camille you. She said if she had
the stain the complaint she said that would have put in a tough break.
On future sellers because then
it really have to think you know how
about what to disclose.
when they were selling a home to potential buyers because
If you get a letter that just like well thanks for taking care of the house- and you know disclose that if that's a problem, my god I
Think this judge was right on the money. I felt that
all of these losses for just filed in
operation and and spy, and it's not a
satisfying ending but ending. But it's what had happened December. Fourth, twenty seventeen,
There were several homes on the boulevard
received an envelope in their mailboxes now,
the letters they had gotten were very soon.
Or to the watchers and the writer was accusing
families of making up room
Some stories about Derek
Maria brought us and the like
we're all signed friends of the broadest family. This is
not going to shock anyone, but eventually Derek brought us admitted
riding those letters, but these are letters
after the fact when this is all kind of said
he's trying in his own way to fight fire
fire, but it doesn't pay him in a good light. He I think this really came about because
felt like the neighbors had turned on them, but you know that I can go back and forth there
come Ria were very, very not just litigious, but they
very aggressive trying to fight for what they
was their dream home and they can feel it being
old away from them. I can
you're. Why? Why David? He did, but if he wasn't right to do so, obviously adjusting they spent
a lot of money on this home over hundreds
and dollars and renovation, but the home cost one point: three million dollars: they live,
did the house in twenty nineteen,
for one point one to five:
Five million dollars, but by July first they sold it.
Four nine hundred and fifty nine thousand dollars to the car family. That's a pretty big loss,
man. You know how it is just any. If you get home
usually you make some money on its and investment. Now
real state, as always said to be the best investment and are they lost,
so much on this so much time. Men
not even the money, is just time and happiness. You know now
Maybe they didn't spend time with their children when they were at the school play
because they were too wrapped up in two disturbed by this whole event.
all the things that this took from the family. Not just the money well
this story never went away. Did it Netflix is planning
a show on this case and they already have.
Couple of stars set for them.
minute I guess
that's what I'm saying where water to war
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