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Don't Think of the White Bear

2019-10-22

Once a thought is in our heads, we can't suppress it and trying to only causes us misery. Dr Laurie Santos explains why our brains work in this way and hears from real people who have confronted and overcome disruptive thoughts and bad memories and found happiness in the process. 

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back in eighteen sixty three the russian novelist dostoevsky gave his readers a challenge one which i'm going to argue has a huge impact on happiness tried to poultry of this task he wrote not to think of a polar bear the next few seconds let's do it let's not think of a white bear ready go how'd you do my guess is that you know you are trying not to think of a white bear your mind immediately when two thoughts of a white bear what dostoevsky realized he warned then when you try not think something you will see cursor thing come to mind every minute the harvard colleges den wagner was this didn't these effects which he referred to as ironic processes cases where our minds ironically enough go to the exact play
where we don't want them to go with me edited of those cs keys polar bear challenge as an experiment with college students he asked them to speak their stream of consciousness for five minutes flirting with my boyfriend right now i didn't have to sunburn they didn't wanna be out in the sun wielded quietness which makes me a little bed next he asked them to repeat the task but explicitly tells them not to think white bear if the bare does pop into their minds while babbling i have to say why i asked my students to repeat the experiment here's how they did worse and now has told me not now now i'm thinking about how long do you think about thinking about it man turkey than i thought
funny to hear so many bells ringing put everyone does this on people in wagner's original study and bringing the bell about once per minute things that we don't want in our heads seem to come up all the time just think of that song you can't stop him but sometimes the thoughts we don't want to think about are alot more serious than a catchy song or a polar bear image are dumb minds also spent initially go to lots of yucky thoughts that fight with our spouse a few weeks back or that mean comment from a coworker you can't shake even really traumatic memories have a knack for popping into our heads when we least want them there which raises in imports question why can we simply get rid of all these unwanted thoughts what strategies should we be using not to think of white bears ear tunes and
shuffle memories that hinder our happiness our minds are constantly telling us what to do to be happy if our minds are wrong what if our minds are lying to us leading us away from really make us happy because is the understanding the signs of the mind complainants all back in the right direction fearless to the happiness lab dr doktor said to so golfers whenever used the word when even wouldn't acknowledge it but there is no question its well known or the grace period in the history of game get it collins she and played for the gulf team back in the nineties he's now the head coach collins a friend of mine which is the only reason he's willing to talk to me about a topic that's usually verboten for golfers to speak of the apes the ep is like where you're putting and then your your hands just
twitch and you're in a position where you no longer and control the club it flicks it did you are in control of your of your hands and then there you are left are broken the yet happen when golfers totally psyched themselves out when they thinks much about not making a certain type a mistake they end up making exactly that mistake all the time and it's not just a one time thing ships can return at any moment and that fear plagues golfers the idea of it sort of happening or than it might happen has always been a thing for professional golfers and so you kind of lived in a constant dread of this idea because today gonna be one of those days we can have a bad yep stay or second arena be fairly easier and get on the course and it may not even be on the first all and then it can come at any moment
and it's it's nerve in aspect it's an it's embarrassing aspect it's humiliating its its dreadful but what happens when you hit a golf ball making apart involves not only thinking about where you want the ball to go but also where you want the ball not to go this act of thing of the unwanted action whatever you do don't hit it to the left seems to make that unwanted action more likely not less it's like if your during a glass of wine over someone's new white carpet and you think whatever do i shouldn't spill this and then of course recent research shows how common this phenomenon is polished told not to think about a particular person before bed and dreaming about that person more often and soccer play told not to shoot a penalty kick to a specific location tend to look that exact forbidden spot which is a problem since players tend to aim where they look ten
agnor who devised the white bear experiment all study these ironic effects on the golf course he had his and possible towards a target some subjects took the paranormal normally but others were told would have you do don't overshoot what happens people than do exactly what their told not to stay over shoot the ball about twenty centimetres wagner experiment had found a way to induce thebes and wasn't that heart just how golfer hell themselves what not to do and you have a recipe for disaster if it's a lovely game and it's a cruel game when its goal poorly its be devastating but the most overstating thing about the ips is that they tend to stick around one bad shot follows another whole ruined becomes around ruined a bad weak stretches out and to a bad year calling explained this decline without end was firstly summed up in a classic art
by henry long cursed the great british golf essayist it's called once you ve item you ve got because there's almost like the ideas there's not a cure or maybe some do there will be the great to take a pill it was at this point interview the collins suddenly turned a bit quiet he was wrestling with something he stammered for awhile when talking about his glory days i played problem dusk off my life from the time was about twenty five to forty about a decade of my life rosa plus one handicap as and i loved plain wellnigh i did it without practicing much and then in the last five years or so game started a struggle and it went from being just a little bit of a tail off to almost say precipitous decline i recently told some and if you wanted to read about my gough came it's over in the obituary section one of my yell students had told me well it was an expert on the eps i assumed his expert she's came from coaching so many amazing young offers but has come
continued i realize the truth collins knew about the yips because he had em and once you ve had em well the crazy was the common was now confessing all this to me in front of us i've mike you get one really wonder like why me what what did i do could pursue matter whether the golfing why that why did they pick me in writing catholic nothing like it can get everybody out there it's true parliament really spoken about his struggle with the apes to anyone by his wife and that's common for golfers because when you ve got em you also want to hide m which makes the europe's a former thought suppression overload not only are you trying to suppress your thoughts about what not to do on the golf course which is bad cognitive lee we are also trying to hide you have the shameful condition everyone around you you don't want well to learn your dirty secret
and even admitted that his wife had pulled him aside before he came to the interview she s if you assure that he wanted to talk about the awful why word on my podcast whether you wanted to admit it so publicly his career suffer if everyone knew about it in the end when decided it was finally time to confess and maybe there needs to be an opportunity for offers come out about it because i'm doing right now we ve always been sort i see a kind of power the stresses how does that payment orders i feel like this is a great place to do it in some is it just be like on the first day i should just enter myself just let me preface by saying you might see some horrendously bout shots autonomy and it may be that would that would i that might help i cannot stress enough how biggest sporting taboo collen has broken by talking so openly about suffering from the europe's and the golfing world bring up the subject it just
isn't done one way that the absurd perceived as that its cause your mentally weak players often think it can be overcome by just working hearted to suppress them just tell me self more sternly not to lose control of your grip on a club mentally keep telling yours not to make a bad shot golfers don't take finally to the suggestion that all this mental pressure won't help them beat the ips so everyone ends up suffering and keeping at a huge secret which makes the next story calling told me all the more unexpected you see back when he was a young golfer com a chance to meet his hero for the golfer magazine six months in my very first assignment to interview a pro was bernard lang earth the rye hilton twenty two years old and there's per hour lang early to time there's champion waiting for me in the lobby and i left in our early and i was still late and courses on time and he gracious to me and we sat down we start the interview and
going wonderfully niece crankiness answers and i'm i'm sliding follow ups in it's going wonderful that was when call and made a huge full pa in front of the grid his player on the planet i felt like i swear had a moment or i could ask him about his europe's a typical golfer might walked out of the interview right there but how zero wasn't the usual golfer and he just go into this answer a nineteen seventy nine i had my first about the apes and then a nineteen eighty two eddie did it he did a perfectly and so i realize now in hindsight there he was doing the opposite of trying to obscure the fact that he had it and it only pay dividends fur for him throughout his life was forty three at the time and he continue the meteoric rise just by disclosing to some twenty two year old kid to kiss her it can't hurt he wasn't he clearly we didn't have a problem acknowledging and minimise and i think there is there perhaps those who s in their current right is a lesson here
it's really important scientifically langer was one of the few coffers who was willing to speak openly about his hips and that meant that his mind didn't have to harbour a shameful secret it didn't happen worked really hard to the dreaded why weren't hush hush meant that lingers mine could relax a bit his brain dead to put so much effort into tee all those unwanted thoughts concealed because his hips cat was finally out of the gulf bag so to speak and what was the result langer had a lot more mental energy left for doing what profession golfers need to do namely play golf langer was able to develop new techniques to improve his game because he had finally freed his mind he had go of all those ironic processes and his golf gave skyrocketed yet again coming who's here just how powerful that release can be not just for bad golf games
from life changing events here was this big secret they ve been keeping their whole lives and here is this opportunity for them to organise experience and too put it into words and where did they never done before the happiness lab we'll be right back criminal case sixty one turn a general against adult the son of adult carl i managed fifty four historians argue that it took the world nearly twenty years to appreciate the true horror of the holocaust first count defence crime the jewish people an offence section one of the nazis and not just its april eleven nineteen sixty one and eight off eichmann has just entered his bullet proof doc
at a special tribunal in jerusalem offence eichmann was facing fifteen indictments for his role in sending millions of jews to their deaths nazi war criminals and publicly tried before but this time was different this time television cameras were beaming the story to every corner of the globe and this time jews who had seen and survive the genocide we're ready to take the stand prevent accord please quiet in the courtroom do you speak ebro sir yes please placed this cap on your had made the witnesses had never spoken publicly about the horrific cruelty they endured it was my younger sister and she wanted to live she prayed the german police interrogator michael goldman ballade had helped build the case against eichmann his own parents and sister had been murdered by the nazis but like other hull
survivors at that time michael had never spoken of his ordeal assuming no one would trust his account it was impossible to believe he had said because it was so horrible ass she went up to the job i note with one of her friends they were embracing each other and she asked till this bad standing bag naked looked into her eyes and shut the two of them they fell together in there embrace michael had bottled up his experiences for twenty years after listening to hour after hour of awful memories pouring from his fellow survivors he realized that the trial had come a watershed historical moment the eichmann trial he said opened our mouths again but unlike those who taken a stand against eichmann many holocaust survivor
we're still felt they had no acceptable way to share their stories you know it's hard to talk to your name saying how did i tell you all about my hope couch experiences they learn nobody wanted to hear about it it was just too threatening jamie penny baker is it ass her of psychology at uti austin an expert on the power expressing our emotions by mid nineteen eighties many holocaust victims had kept silent about their experiences for for whole decades jamie wondered what told us had taken on them and what bennett its they might receive by sharing stories instead of suppressing them he join a project that vited survivors to give videotape testimony but they had endured at the hands of the nazis and heresies opportunity for them to organise the experience and put it into words in a way that they never done before and they came in they were interviewed on camera
and the average interviews about an hour now and have the films at the interviews jamie conducted captain a university archive here at yale i arranged to see some of them it was tougher to hear and even i expected to begin could you tell us your name your maiden name for my name is sir rosalie shave i was born and cackled poland and i am a holocaust survivor jimmy asks rosalie about the appalling things she endured first in the ghetto and then in the camp i am struck time and again just how determine rosalie has been to suppress the details i tried saw had the force their memories away you think you're free successful way out of your mind telling you the truth fighting with myself is not good to start something like this and not to bring it out
for nearly two hours rosalie patiently answers question after question occasionally wiping way tears having so pressed her memories for decades she finally opens up to recount horrors which seem almost unimaginable to me those were covered with lies were beaten had to stay in the camp on the rest completely like any mice and they should every minute somebody ass it was credibly hard video to watch every act of violence perpetrated by the nazis is more d brave and distressing than the last that at one point rosalie describes watching the ss slaughter in it higher orphanage of jewish children in a frenzied massacre that left the street outside awash with blood was very hot
we ve done in talk murdered outstanding job you where i won't play the worst parts adversely testimony i had to stop the tape several times and just get up and go for a walk but jamie had to listen in real time it was the most moving experience in my life i it's hard put into words i had no clear i am not a clinical psychologists and here in these stories was really hard on me and it was almost though yourselves a traumatic experience for me yes seen the depths of the horrors that these people had endured you know i had nightmares i was now all of a sudden a victim of my own research but completing the interviews was only the first part of genius work jane wanted to know if the process of sharing memories would have an impact on their survivors
whose lifelong mental strategy had been to tempt down those thoughts and lock them away but we felt was the experience had this proof the effect on them a lot of them were self reports in terms of the cave greater sense well being and happiness and also we had some health markers that showed improvements as well immediately after telling these awful stories survivors felt better survivors who share the most traumatic memories are the ones who reported feeling the best they had the lowest heart rates and the lowest levels of emotional anguish talking about the worst possible things they ever experienced made survivors feel calmer and happier he asked how are you feeling and have you been to the doktor recently he found that survivors who disclosed lots of details in their interviews were healthier people who evaded talking deeply about their traumas
survivors who disclosed lots of details in their inner views were healthier people who evaded talking deeply about their traumas went to the doktor almost twice as often it seemed that getting those awful secrets out in the eu made survivors less sick even a full twelve months later hard to do really control experiment because we didn't have another group of holocaust survivors who did not come into studio soap the control study it wasn't that impressive but as a hey study it was a profound really was a profound experience by become entry with this notion that if you have some it's bad and you don't want to talk about it you probably should think about in about it or at least writing about it after his own tough experience with holocaust survivors sit down on paper how upsetting and unsettling he'd found the interviews he found
writing process so helpful he decided to test the facts of sharing bad memories in a more controlled way so i thought well we just get brendan college students who are taking introductory psychology even to the lab they were either wrote about superficial topics or about traumatic experiences for four consecutive days and those people who wrote about the traumatic experiences it was found experience in they wrote about things said anybody would agree with a traumatic experience they weren't kind of the classic some somewhere these huge humiliation somewhere things it sounded superficial death of europe of a person's dog i remember every night i would go and read all of these stories nay blooming away both sets of students the ones who written the stories they had so move jamie and the groups set down more mundane thoughts granted permission for their medical
it to be tracked for six months and those in the experimental group those who wrote about traumas internet point the doktor about half the rate as people in the control conditions when but were asked right about a deeply troubling dramatics it's her up saying experience that they headed talk to other people about it was associated with better physical health that people when the doktor less dear me in system got better something that has always stuck with me i remember in the months afterwards as happened at least a couple of times a student would come up and said you don't know me but i was in your experiment on writing and in my life since june initial research back in the nineteen eighties many scientists have the same effects of setting traumatic memories down on paper there are easily one or two thousand studies that have been done since in across these studies has been associated with reduced in simple depression and post traumatic stress disorder there has been associated with people prefer
we better on creative task doing better on a standardized like essay teaser m cats there there mentally healthier and debate illogical markers and been quite an impressive in terms changes in terms of improvements damn solve our thrives mule disorders and cardiovascular changes and so forth we often tell solved not to think about events in our lives that are painful we dwelling on stuff is not good and so we see those bad memories down but the science of ironic processes why that's about idea it takes work for us to repress those bad thoughts and that cognitive work winds up affecting things like sleep and blood pressure and how well we can concentrate on a standardized test letting those bad thoughts out and getting them down on paper finally are tired brains relax it's like opening our little mental pressure cookers to let out some surprise steam but there's a
reason that writing down our bad memories makes us happier writing stuff down helps us makes sense of things our brains finally get to process and work through some really be stuff i've always been fascinated how people actually deal with upsetting experience you know you're almost in a car wreck you home you tell your spouse your friend oh my god you we're not gonna believe would happen by green and upsetting experience into words it forces structure it forces and organisation theirs beginning middle and in hand is now blowing off steam is not some kind of venting gordon ward the way many people think about catharsis instead you are coming to understand the and also yourself better writing about your painful emotions can help you guys those experiences you finally having she has to make sense of them cause they're not bottled up anymore and one makes sense of upsetting experiences you
finally get enough perspective to grow from them and this is something i find interesting about adversity they very often adversity having the thing that such negative certainly sucks but by the same token it has the potential to be healing and to make us rethink ourselves and rethink our lives having what's that film of rosalie ship breaking her that long silence about the holocaust i found it to put her out of my mind i decided back down it turns out she passed away just a couple of years ago at age ninety one but as i read her many obituaries i was struck by something rosa you devoted her final years to telling we telling her terrible story she even help to write a book about her experiences she and her husband told reporters quote we have to talk about it rose we had tapped into an important psychological truth pudding
painful memories into words can give us the perspective we need to grow from those events whether those events happened yesterday or even fifty years ago but what there was a way to process those painful events while they were actually happening what if we did have to show the tough stuff into some mental memory bank and more the courage to deal with it all later what we could just work through the pain immediately just feel all of those bad emotions in the moment and accept them this might sound like some zen jedi master stuff but search shows this radical approach to negative emotions is possible for every one of us the doyle simply said to us if we can also stay in a calm mind any emotion can arise and fall and not be destructive or hurtful
the happiness lab we'll be right back i'm never going to get rid of emotions but i think i've gotten better at my recovery and i returned back to a call mind a little quicker i would say yes eve ekman is the director looking at the greater good science centre at you see berkeley she's an expert on her people feel their emotions in the moment and can tackle them head on i remember very well a friend and call of mine in the uk and her mother said to me it sounds quite interesting what you do but why aren't emotions just better if we don't talk about them i think most people believe that but who could never say it to me and with that stiff upper lip that we associate with people in uk i think there is an assumption that
the more we metal into our emotions the more trouble were making so can't we just leave them as they are and hopefully they'll just go away on their own many people rather just shut their negative emotions off before they happen but science suggests that may not be possible i think the million dollar question that everybody wants the answer to is how do i stop right in the middle of my emotion and too i have not found any one who is able to do that and eve his even studied the best emotional regulators around even in my work with his holiness the dalai lama he describes the difficulty of feeling angry in responding to anger and he is a to have anger come and go but not to stop it right in the middle can shut off or feeling midstream not either the dalai lama the problem is most of us don't get that we don't realize it's impasse
and so we try really hard to shut off any bad feelings were having in the moment in what does all that oppression do you guessed it ironic processes kick in and make all those unpleasant feelings even worse i think but we know from researches when we are pressing our emotions or trying to clamp down on them they actually a rebound that's even stronger at a physiological level meaning it feels more tensely in our body when we're trying to not show what were experiencing and trying to not fee he'll what were experiencing let's take a closer look at the science of this rebound effect an effect that region there's a found clever though sometimes disturbing ways to induce and laboratory settings the stand you're a scientist james gross showed his portes subjects graphic medical footage of a patient's arm being amputated some yours told to suppress what they were feeling and not
any outward signs of emotion is the horrific felt play what did gross find the individuals tried to follow this commission were less we d scrunch up their faces and disgust when watching the videos but gross also found that they showed much larger internal emotional responses than the ones who just watch the video normally their heart rate spite they sweated more and they even showed signs their blood vessels constricting the active trying shut off our feelings on the outside makes our in colonel arouse a level shoot through the roof researchers see similar rebound effects when people try to suppress physically painful experiences in one study subjects were asked to stay their arms and very very cold water for as long as they could take and then rate the experience on a scale from euro no pain at all to ten maximum agony one group of subjects was told to ignore their pain what happened
they put their hands out of the freezing water almost a minute before subjects who are just explain the pay normally it be one thing if these rebound effects happen we and weird psych studies that involve creepy videos and painful tasks but researchers have also shown the power of these emotional rebounds in everyday situations like in our family life say you have a stressful day at work and you come home your family still feeling a little worked up our minds often tell us to be good to shut those feelings down make sure your spouse in your kids don't know you're feeling but as recent your wendy bury mendez and her colleagues have found out that's pretty much the worse thing we can do men brought moms cards in their kids into the lab and had parent stimulate a typical stressful work of it they had to pitch an idea to thereby who immediately crushes them with some withering criticism the bruised parents were then to play legos with their kids half of the parents were told trial
behave in such a way that your child doesn't know that you're feeling stressed what happen those parents it certainly took it out on their kids they were angrier and more upset they were less responsive to their kids give them less guidance and behaved less warmly overall bad mood deteriorated even further when they played with their kids but what's worse perhaps not surprise finally if that mendous found the parents rebound effect also took a toll on their kids these kids had less fun and it on the task just because their parents were trying to hide what they were feeling so at the end of the day in which we ve been suppressing the entire day feel emotionally exhausted drained depleted we ve been effort our way away from these emotions he thinks that if we just felt the emotions rather than trying to suppress them we will not be as burnt out after all emotional response
those aren't in themselves bad from a psychological point of view we would not want to get rid of emotions that would be unsafe world for us to live in we wouldn't have the signal of fear or feel the motivation of frustration to change things some of our more do call emotions we'd rather avoid can sometimes be of course our greatest teachers if we're willing look at them and if we have the tools to manage them and a first to managing them seems to be to deal with negative emotions as they arise so let's for example today i go into the office and i find my office is actually occupied with a meeting and my experiences a little bit of frustration but i to avoid that feeling and i instead of looking for other places to sit do my work but i'm doing so in this kind of pinched pervaded tight way
so later on that day when i find that maybe the public transportation on my way home is late and become very upset i can't believe that this train is laden what's wrong with city and then question to myself why am i so upset about this and maybe i can trace back to not having really been with a low level of frustration that happened earlier in the day if i could just accept the fact that it wasn't the way i wanted it the rest of my day would have felt better than i can have done the exact same thing which is fine somewhere else to work but without this kind of heaviness or this out this kind of ongoing residue the process describing here the act of research hunting rather than reacting to our emotions is one that scholars have preaching for thousands of years way before modern earth was around take buddhism for example buddhist
measures have long argued that we're not gonna be able to get rid of all the bad stuff in life the stress the pain the occasional negative event the buddha himself realise that these not going away in fact the continued existence of pain or the buddhist called duca is so important that its considered the first of the four noble truths the buddhist also realise that our reaction to the pain is some i can go away that something can't control to illustrate this concept the buddha told famous parable of the second era in the story explains that when something bad happens in life say we stuck in traffic or get yelled at work it's like getting hit with an arrow it sucks but when we respond to negative events we also get here with what he called a second arrow our reactions we magically get really upset and then we hate were feeling so we try to suppress it which if things even worse in life we
always control that first arrow but the pain from the second arrow is totally under our control whether we freak or try to suppress what were feeling that like an arrow is optional it's on us either got a really good at avoiding second arrows she even had a one off before started our interview so actually but where this call i received a pretty confer email this morning one that made me feel kind of frustrated and annoyed and i knew we were going to talk and i wanted to feel more clear and less can have triggered emotionally so i did it short meditation for myself and meditation i focused on the story of why i'm right and clearly this person is wrong but i focused on just the felt station of what it was like to be triggered into feeling frustration and anger so i think if we and start managing and working with our emotions the opportunities dar boundless
mind thinks that the right way to deal with all the unwanted stuff is just a push it out just don't do it don't think it don't feel but science shows us it's just not how minds work avoiding thoughts and emotions causes them to come back with an ironic vengeance the most effective way to deal with the pain life all those first arrows is just to let them sting decided to meet again with calling shin my friend the gulf coach who confessed earlier his golf game had gone to pieces i and says his frank admission about the uk's could only have been beneficial but did collins golfing form improve i admit i wouldn't go so far as to say smashing very definitely fell i've improved i can pretend to look like a two or three any cap now by confessing he had they yet by putting it into words and getting out of his head call in was
able to golf better than he had in years maybe i should get a bumper sticker i had the aps hopefuls game i think could have a nice cottage industry of of having golfers with the apes come and pay five hundred hours to sit down for if an hour might my little finger spiller guts podcast recording hoover golf confessional off the pie ass doesn't go anywhere i know have another career i'm kind hoping that i don't have to make a living counselling golfers slut if you joined the show and found it useful i'd appreciate you spreading the word tell your family and friends and even total strangers and if you i came to share well for me this is one time of suppressing your thoughts might be okay so whatever you do don't think about listening to the new episode of happiness lab with me
marty centres the happiness lab is cohen and produced by ryan daily the show is next and mastered by evan vila edited by julia barton fact checking by the friedman original music was composed by zachary sober special thanks to me all about curly mccloy heather fain maggie taylor maya caning and jacob icebergs the happiness lab is brought you buy pushkin industries and me doctor lorry centres a strange thing happened to me in the library while back i needed to pick up a few books this was before the quarantine a question was nagging me
it had been nagging me for a long time who killed truth this truth problem it isn't just bad its deadly it's also way older than it might seem this mystery its historical angela for and i'm a historian of harvard and staff later at the new yorker husband out of time trying to solve mysteries like this one so anyway i was at the library everything seem normal hum swiped my card the elevator down to the basement report volumes of the shelves and then i saw it something i never seen before down here at the end of the rope hidden in the shadows green door there was a sign on the door a tarnished breastplate we barely make out the words it read the letter
archive tv and radio confuse hello right right hello how are you no one's there the voice from the past places great we waited very firewall heralded the discovery which assured and want to ban time granted it in here
these long before karuna virus a congressional debate about the government's role in developing a vaccine is there any other term for them as socialized medicine hold horror movies therein here to punch cards from the forgotten history of the national data center at work referred to as being that work is now operating in records of records bird songs considered america foremost songbird hermits rush all these voices from the past sound nobody is heard for decades maybe somewhere in this vast last archive this corridor of the mind find what looking for an answer to that question killed truth i decided to start a podcast it's called the last archived hotel stories from a hundred years a history of america and our army it's not truth and evidence
have you any order found mimi back here i'll leave the door unlocked the last archive coming brought to you by pushkin industries
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