You're. Listening to the sceptics guide to the universe, your escape to reality. Lowered welcome to discoveries. Gertrude universe today is day december, sixteenth, twenty thirteen- and this is your host even about joining this week or bob novella, everybody rebecca watts, had every one jane of Ella, rare and wonderful lad byrne Bernstein a low everyone error and wonderful? What does that mean? Ok, so the it was the habit, animated movies from inside these rights thinking of ass, the dragon, me more than that something else. That is something else more embarrassing book, the animated one

so that never dies was the dragon says to add to go alone when he is saying, while you're you're you're here it is amazing, like you know, your euro scales and everything are so awesome, cause he's trying to sweet, talk him and the drag comes back with rare and wonderful higher noise accurate, much better delivery that I see that that state with you I have heard that hungary memorized okay side bogged down in that line, make it into the new movie. Subjects are not really no soilers haven't seen it yeah for god's sakes? Is a book tat book everybody's read a hundred? where don't count guys Gaza have some good news, good news. Everyone. A listener of the show comes from south africa has offered for free tissue I interpret our podcast was That's it re saving you talking about what help it happened at the nelson mandela. Funeral please be joking. Maybe

J must help african sign interpreters have really do. I shall just just happen to offer to sign language for a pod gas which would work really well. That is awesome, so you guys see this. Did you see, of course, how absolutely What we're talking about is so total nut cake somehow managed to get himself to to be the main sign interpreter at nelson mandela's funeral, which was aired for three hours globally and he's standing literally three feet from like the president of every country. that no attended, including the united states and Emily, was at tat time of of global diplomats up there. The guy can't do sign language. That way. I think he can do sign language, and this is the last reading, but he was so so I doubt that he was

this mimicking really I language like he was having like from when I reduce having apparently to ask those eyes he had claimed he's having a schizophrenia episode by the facts show that he has done this several times and there have been many complaints about him than the gunman has ignored. So this wasn't this time. Yet as a really hold water will think about it. Happened, was a bunch of deaf people were watching, looked at the guy in said: he's that's gibberish. There is nothing there he's not doing anything, and if you watch the video of him doing it, he repeats like the same for five moves. One channel they were How do I get a little square? Digitally eighty side interpreter so. You see there was him live, and then these sign interpreter the real. Once you can see that they had nothing to do with each other that occur through. Anybody could see tat. He was not really but he had a few x. You know like you would do like the same gestures over over when you're paying attention you have you watch

like you might not really focus on him, and I could see how a lot of people didn't even notice. It didn't look quite right. He's like control of the century. The sunny abed think of that very well, but he could he actually been assigning it so bad. He could have been signing whenever you wanted at that point like magic if he was actually saying crazy stuff. So rebecca tell us about december. Twenty first December twin First, first eighteen, seventy two, the m s challenger launched two guys, know but the ems challenger, oh yeah, nigher lou up in space on non h, m s challenger, you eat the? U s! his challenger was named after the hms challenger, because the hms challenger was the first official oceanographic scientific expedition launched, and it left England today it embarked from port.

Method, england, and it was meant to study the ocean floor, and it did. In fact it came back with hans and tons of scientific data, so much data that it took almost two decades to publish all of the information. There are back yard there were over fifty volumes in in total more than twenty thousand five hundred pages in length, and this survey discovered tons tons of new animal species it explored the pacific ocean, it sampled, four thousand foreign, seventy five fathoms down, which is apparently the southern edge, of the marina trench tuna today with no back then

so yeah. It was a pretty incredible expedition and it was the first of its kind. The do was a a military vessels corvette class ship. They took up most of the cannon, replace inside of equipment. You know how many miles of rope they had on board at you're, not as happened my hundred and forty four miles of wrote why How many arouses that canada is that that's what they used to sound the bottom of the ocean at the lower and lower down with long ass ropes, Why are you not, Fortunately, the ship itself was when it came back. Nothing really much was done with it and I was eventually sold for scrap. Sadly, but mast. Head TAT was like the equivalent of a mars probe back then yes, yes, it was right. Hey speaking over the ocean, did you

here about china, why? What would happen to talk about that? While china's space exploration, but before we talk about china's space exploration before going about geysers, roper, geysers, through citizens. Ngos would have an eye redirected, Josiah, graham yes, I saw em up you hurry europa. Europa has moved up a couple of notches on the interesting scale. and that it already has an impressive ranking on that scale, but does not want to certain points. Reno here is a difference. Go so why Buddy the hubble space telescope recently saw evidence at geysers spewing water exit potentially exist on europa and, if that's true that would be the best evidence yet of a sub service ocean on europa and can make finding life on the moon even easier so decide. This was recently announced in a paper published by the journal. Science

There is also a new conference about it recently at the full meaning of the american geophysical union. The effect of the potential geyser was spotted by the hubble. Anything ejected off the surface of europa would be remembered by radiation, as all over that system are Europa does orbit with beyond the radiation, both after all, so that radiation with that would then break up the water into its constituent, hydrogen and oxygen atoms, and on that day glowing ultraviolet which is which is what was specifically detected. Oh they're, inferring that that geyser is what actually got that water up there. So one well looked last year, but did not see it, but it did see an occasional excess of hydrogen and oxygen in no specific areas of the moon. I think it was in the southern paul, so they did find some evidence last year, as other observations, though, found nothing, however at, but that actually supports the idea of geyser. This is interesting. These previous observations that have occurred

and when europa was per helium northern closest approach to Jupiter? Now, if there were any max. You know in the ice connecting the surface to this observers ocean. Those cracks would be closed. Due to the increased gravitational pull and title forces from jupiter, but at appeal you nor the most distant part of its orbit things. What kind of you know relax a little bit and those cracks would open up and allowing the warder to escort it out, so that kind of supports it kind of it makes sense what if it happened, the opposite than they would be scratch in their heads and boy? Does it squirt? reduce the amount of what the hell's, like somebody making new things to clip out of Bob san way ways out of context, I didn't see spur us his work. He asked we we heard just now: exports innocent, that's not utter. There were ever so to produce cool too to produce the amount of hydrogen and oxygen that was attacked. there are estimating that would have rejected at something like seven tons of water per second

swimming in a one. Geyser could have been two or more closely very closely spaced guises, of course, they're saying this created a water stream travelling at get this twenty five hundred kilometers in our or fifteen hundred miles an hour. I'll say why twice at prices, I ask: is a dead end reaching a height of two hundred kilometers, which is a hundred and twenty five miles. So I tried to put that quantity of water and into perspective, so I calculated that die so imagine twenty five thousand four hundred and fifty four point five, bridgewater hoses altogether, that ok, now? Let's get him now, so you can't you pinch or the nozzle, so the water coming out comes out fast right, we want and that we have to increase them. It will increase the pressure thou, so the output stays the same and then just wait. Wait till we ve goes. I got it twenty five miles high now core some ignoring the extra gravity and air resistance on the earth. But

so was that's that that that's my way putting into perspective so I just I saw you without cleared out your business now. What about squaring? I cannot imagine twenty five thousand homes, so this is on great news, though, for multiple reasons. It shows that there were obviously this this potential interaction with the subsurface ocean and the surface, which is fantastic, so this could possibly bring materials. I thought that was on the surface and sometimes apparently the radiation. That's that tal over europa could cooks, create organic molecules, enacted then introduce them and into the subsurface ocean, which would which would be one way out to get that call. Go ingredient down there, possible that a giant, see creature from underneath The ice in a row bogart squirted out this geyser, then, if at all, fell back to the surface of europa, and I was sort of have frozen in the surface of europa

so when we land a probe, there there'll be like sitting on the surface of the planet, that we should keep an eye on, that that's slightly less likely but still possible. I guess So the most obvious benefit is: is this direct pre created path to the ocean? Maybe it's not totally direct, but you gotta a path going from this. as to the ocean or do need. So when we get there, we could potentially not need to do any any drilling or maybe minimal drawing, which is a fantastic advantage, And- It also, of course, don't forget. We would have we easily be able to sample water directly from the ocean underneath right on the server, so we would even have to draw to get some sand and yet I was yet we may not only when you drilling goes down it's already skirting rightly scorned, Nobody. Any octopus, like creatures, come out of the hole, but now that the resolution, is not high enough to detect anything like that? We'll have odin had I totally new size creatures, anything when I come out of date. They did not detect any hulu molecules, not yet anyway. So, but you got it

member. This is just. This is just the detection of hydrogen and oxygen abba pretty much it. No geyser was actually seen like we ve seen on was in flanders and sensibilities- oh boy, guys were actually seen under, like we ve seen on Enceladus so so confidence is high level where we can't be one hundred percent. Certain, of course, also on its also possible that the friction between the different chunks of ice that over that could be moving around. They could potentially create reservoirs of water these small reservoirs that are feeding the plumes so that some that would be kind of a bomber we, and all the way over there and found that out. doesn't necessarily have to be any direct contact between the ocean in the service I the ocean, you even exists at all regatta, so this is encouraging news I ate. I hope at its encouraging enough that it will have an impact on a nasa and a kind of forcing it to approve the of the yard.

Robotic mission to europa that they ve been talking about for a while in every allowed. People are excited about it by day it hasn't been approved yet so hopefully this could be that the final thing that says are: let's do it, because I noticed a picture in that article says an image of europe with the observations from hubble super superposed, showing where ultraviolet light was seen, click to envision I don't know that I've seen the word you've, never read film, that's phil! It's the only reading. I feel his blog yeah, the only but didn't feel, but it's still there, the simpsons yeah, the phillies, all the time but he's using it, isn't that there have been times visa, it is easier in such an official capacity is like this. It's ok, so did it?

really become a word molest twenty year, just the unfilled gigantic, as us have nigh loveth. Did you guys here that there is a second language written into dna is even less? Is it esperanto that's going to sign with Steve them? You cut in my second investment to link the first get around their learning enclave funnier. It's like. Could dna code like the bible code, is an utterly what if it's a sign language level, so this is like the worst sides press release than ever the last time I won't happen for which is saying something one of those who cannot always be press releases. That makes me mad because you don't like the way you ve never see me. So I, totally seen you heard it took me out. I could from any of the reports that were basically following the press release. I couldn't even figure out what the hell was discovered.

I don't know I had to go to have to go all the way back to the original article, two really find out what the hell are they talking about here and most of the articles, like double meaning in genetic code or a second language in genetic code, scientists were shocked, over that there was another language hiding in the dna. What are they talking about so it turns out tat the there. What they're talking about is that based pair sequence of the dna, which we know the primary purposes to code for amino acid sequences of protein trade. The d try, nucleotides cooker code and but also that some of the nucleotides sequences, our regulatory right they regulate de transcription of the proteins from dna. That's the second language, talking about. Why do you know what the violation. So ok, but that's not new, there are here that so what's new here again, I couldn't find out from the

from the reporting about this new side and what the new bit was the new bit is this, and actually really interesting it they had actually rip. You talked about that. I would have been excited the newberry with the scientists discovered, is that some of the code islands, that code amino acids, the part of the code that actually coach for for the proteins some of those coda by fifteen percent Also our regulatory there also binding sites for transcription factor, which is what regulates when you start and stop the transcribing the proteins, so they perform with double duty. Yes, they're called do ones because, Because they d ever do ups, because they you both. So that's it instinct, they coulda just said that new so steep. Was this a result of the scientists misrepresenting or the met the press? Who knows I mean I deem the misery

take the misrepresentation goes back to the press, release from the university of washington, nice So I think that's. Where did that's where it all started to nose with you quoting the scientists, but they were I dunno man. They were probably just naive and they didn't know what would you know how it was going to be translated to the public? Let me guess it throws all the. evolution it down here. What are your? They always do that thing where they completely overestimate and hyper, how much we didn't know and how you know flung mixed baffled site. to star and surprised by this new stunning finding that you know that holders there, because it was hiding. You know it's just crazy of orphans, The other thing is that, because these code on also regulatory sequences, constrains their view ability. So you know how there are multiple,

three level. There are multiple three letter codes that code for the same amino acid there's reached there it's redundant and there should be any selective pressure to prefer one no acid variant over another, but there is some key putting variants are highly conserved, and this is an explanation for why which, while something we also already knew in that it does ready, been demonstrated that or in coating sequences affect the transcription rate of protein and therefore do not completely silent these mutations or not utterly site. They may not change the protein, but they change their transcription rate of the and so now, with this new discovery is showing is what had the mechanism for that, because they are all there. These do once they are actually trent binding sites for transcription factor. So this is your here's why this is a peeve of mine. It's not just because the

release is misleading. It's because I really enjoy it when a science use reporting or science reporting documentaries. Whatever take the approach of war, Can you, through the sequence, discovery and the thought process of scientists say this is what we knew. This is what we thought. This is what didn't know, and then we made this new discovery, and this is how would fit into this evolving picture of our scientific understanding silence that and so eventually, I was able to peace this into our sequence of understanding of how regulation and transcription works, and this is an exciting little new piece and that's that, the story they should be telling instead inside we knew nothing now. You know this totally throws everything and you know into disarray. They take to concoct this red. deal a story about how little we knew before and how totally transforming this is In fact, the more driven teaching story is, the opposite

is that this is an incremental piece of information. But it's like a puzzle piece. That's fitting into an existing puzzle. Is totally get it wrong. Rugs me the wrong way because then missed opportunity to tell the real story, Are you here and how cool it is because you ve seen science documentaries. They do it right, and then you see the so called couple. I was recently, this is the kind of his tangential. but somebody recently recommended to me on the history not to show big history of any. We ve seen this. Yes, I have watched the last night. Isn't it horrible omitted? May I add my trouble, I thought I was to believe that this can be like connections like like jab works connections, which is wonderful, wonder fears if you ve never seen either connections were the day the universe changed, watch them get them on dvd or whatever and watch them.

oh good, big big history like how the unique things connect throughout the history. But it's horrible to everything I hate about a documentary did this style? Is it some you're so superficial, like I just watch the episode on gold and it's like two thirds of the. Way through the show, and I've learned that the shiny People use it is money. Do you know the earth is down America's down its shining horrible anyway, this other those eyes, kind of like that. It was just everything wrong about how the report cites steve. Can you pronounced the last name of the doktor who know searching came there his jacket that only has about four hundred fifty care, either. Retreating, I'm gonna get a big in it, so I can read it near it, sir, a moratorium, nautilus. I think I got that right.

was so bejean cemetery annapolis? All right finally rebecca you can tell us about these going to the moon. China has landed a rover on the moon this past weekend. The jade rabbit, suddenly odors the jade rabbit landed in the rainbow. Now are you records? Are there no eagle has landed by jade. Rabbit is in a breath, insincere able after this, the bay of really worries, rather than have landed in the bay of rainbows miss its target, but no, I mean did seem so everything I've read I like it when it's on the edge on the edge of its range. They did did miss its original target, but it's on the edge of the areas where it that was acceptable and it's supposed to be in like in whether by

student, or not in a more interesting area than it was actually originally supposed to be well considered at the end of the rio Yes, the name of the the rovers jade Rabbi were you to which you refer, two, as does that said, the name of the lander- is chung ay and first to a really nice romantic fable that exists in china and variations of access and other cultures as well about I like in american culture, western. Sure we have the idea of the man in the moon by many others, just see a rabbit in the moon. And so the chinese favour is there Chung eight was woman who stole, a medicine to make a person.

Immortal from her husband and she escaped to the moon with her pet rabbit, known as the jade rabbit and the jade rabbit makes the medicine for her as she lives. that's a nice. A nice little fable ends pretty much a cool like I think, most p or who are in You spaced says exploration and exploitation of the moon I should say I see this as a positive development because china's only now the third country, to make it to the moon, and this is the first time anybody has put something on the moon since the seventies. Forty years, I will share, Yes, sir, it's kind of a huge deal for software and we say repression, a soft landing jam, there are things that this rover will be exploring that a lot of researchers are looking forward to getting the data for

mostly related to seems like an its focus missing on what law. Is beneath the moons crust beneath them in service- I should say and also the formation of craters on the moon and the moons volcanic history. So these These are very interesting scientists, and so they hoped to get some good data out of this, and also I think that there's a little bit of hope that this is going to spur other nations to conduct research on the moon and get them to give, more into space research as a whole and start launching things up there, which will unite a little competition could possibly do some good for organizations like nasa, On the other hand, there is a bit of a an issue with the fact that china has yet to sign on to be a code of conduct

The european union has put out everybody If china, russia and india have signed into it it's basically. stay set of rules for how you are to behave in space, and that includes weaponry pushing and oh yeah. Of course, you know common courtesy, things like which spoon to use with. I went to hold the door open they're, not gonna, knock down our flag or other. So what are they not doing that? Well, then, China simply hasn't signed on and refuses so far to sign onto that code of conduct. China and russia have made their own version of the code, but that version of the code exam. Missile use from the ban on. Space weapons, which other nations are seen as kind of a big deal,

So gathers a bit of a worry with. How is china going to enter the space age? Is it going to be a net good in terms of human knowledge? or a net loss in terms of having a country whose record on human rights is an exactly stellar now having better technology that could possibly be used rail, but by large, most of what I've seen has been very positive, mostly because of the scientific research. It's gonna come out of this, so the job china did any The outlook for any anyone's adding that this is a highly acts that are a matter yeah. there are several very funny posts and youtube videos from people criticizing. The lack of dust thrown up by the the lander, you know it of the same stuff that we saw. We see

still further, the moon, hoax deniers moon landing, deniers agnes, I should say not moon hooks. Yes, there is yet another owen you know like. Why is there? No, dreaming live feed. Then you know just nick the keen on various it's ridiculous? Also? ryan put their second monkey up into orbit. Know that surrounds gonna space programme? Currently none I do there. The space programme did know how far it I'd gone. Woking over two and seven There is between the proliferation of space travel, which I think overall is a good thing, and hopefully it will be a kick it. He s here too, to NASA and and private companies and private companies yeah yeah. I think it's all good. We keep cutting yeah unless we, our country, keeps cutting these budgets for these things, which we have yet a habit of doing late when that's we're not going anywhere the ideas that, if there's I mean the the competition with this

The union, spurred alot of spending on site, exploration obligations, fifty sixty so yeah. Why not? alright. Evan I've been reading on the internet. That Aspartame is going to kill me you are correct. The internet didn't lie to me, didn't now, of course, the hut. How could possibly lied to you when you have people like Joseph Mccullough, say it If my earlier, you know it's, the austere, patterned ought med, grew and vitamin not so here this here's a little thing from his website or not to go too far back in time november of twenty eleven Aspartame is by far the most dangerous substance added to most foods today, and why is that? Well because following chronic illnesses can be triggered or worsened by ingesting Aspartame brain tumors, multiple sclerosis, epilepsy, chronic fatigue syndrome part. since disease, alzheimer's mental retardation, lymphoma, birth defects, diabetes, fibromyalgia, specify, add scary, so

If you just fast forward a little bit say to now, the bbc has reported that ye, the european food safety authority, which, as the equivalent to the united states, is food and drug administration. So the e s, e f essay has reported that Aspartame poses no threat to human health, and that also includes the breakdown in products of Aspartame and which are a spur. ass? It then leno mean and methanol. Yes, So the doktor doktor mortensen Althea Mortensen, who chaired the effort phase. Aspartame review panel said the opinion rubber. And one of the most comprehensive risk assessments of Aspartame ever undertaken. It's a step forward and strengthening consumer confidence in the scientific underpinning of EU food safety of the EU food safety system and the regulation food additives for those of you who don't know Aspartame, is they commonly used artificial sweetener and

old under the brand names nutrasweet or equal and its composed of communal s. Partic acid and then I'll mean amino acids are the building blocks of proteins that are found, naturally in many foods and its used, because it's about two hundred times sweeter than sugar, so much less of it can be used to give the same level of sweetness. Thus, in turn it lowers the calories in food or beverage, which is why its prominent its predominant in diet soda and other things that are regularly consumed, so what's going on here, how can it be that Aspartame can trigger deadly illnesses and, at the same time, upon a systematic review of the scientific evidence cause no ill effects may cause an idiot. That's home I give my chance by noise, an idiot I think he's had enough these by products. Are you the brute what it breaks down into? their naturally present, another foods, fruits vegetables. They contain asked Aspartame. Essentially there

sporadic acid and the methanol that they're all in their there process in the back. in the same way as those derived from the other dietary sources and by comparison, the amounts, the components ingested from food and drink containing Aspartame. They are relatively small example: habits, go ahead and have a serving of non fat milk and it provides six times more than allowing and thirteen times sporadic acid than compared to an equivalent amount of diet, beverage sweetened with Aspartame yeah, I once saw ready and estimate that if you wanted to overwhelm your bodies ability to safely metabolize Aspartame, you would have to drink the equivalent of about sixty gallons of soda a day every day for a long time for a long time that they meet the safety limits set by the FDA and other regulatory agencies, like the european food safety authority, are way above what you had any one can reasonably or you know, get in their food or drinks.

But if you look at this is with all toxicology question to get this the toxicology literature that shows all the horrible things it does. I give you a few put it directly onto cells in a petri dish or you give mice over. welcoming doses of it, but the issues always will hear the dose makes the poison right does makes the toxins, and, in the in in the doses that people are going to have exposed to unreal? You know in vivo real life situations with wearing it's metabolize, etc. What are the net health effects? And it's just in the background. It's nothing yeah. This thing, these breakdown products are breakdown. Products of lots of stuff We talk about formaldehyde before how that sounds. Gary you, after another, hiding your body to break down product I've just metabolism of food of stuff. Do you eat it? So it's nothing! It's his taste amino acid, unless you have fetal keaton area, you have nothing, yet here yeah becomes allowed from aspirate the I did there is this persistent question, though, of can Aspartame trigger headaches,

and the literature on that is still a little mixed, although are some studies that show that a subset of people who believe that their headaches, four triggered by Aspartame, probably can have a run actual migraine triggered by Aspartame, It makes sense to call placebo. I mean some people believe they can be, but they get triggered by placebos just as much as Aspartame. If, when in blow in blinded studies, but a subset does look like they get, their migraines can be triggered by Aspartame, but migraineurs going to have migraines triggered by lots of foods, doesn't mean, there's anything dangerous or unique about Aspartame. You know some people. thereby grange triggered by chocolate, renoir, aunt, chocolate which is closed. We wonderful for you, but the ices they're, just people have there are some common triggers, but their people have their unique quirky triggers as well says more about. You know that that that person and the food than the safety of the food

it has nothing to do with any other rescues institute. You ok to some time migraine trigger. That's about the worst thing we could say about state Wouldn't you think also that there would be a massive responsive, aspartame, so dangerous and deadly that we would know with her. the precise from yeah you have to weave a conspiracy theory to sixteen or to say that it's reared its due to this horrible toxin, that's being covered up and not asked by the f d a but like every regulatory agency in the world. You know what I mean: there's no regulatory agency that looked at all the data and come to a different conclusion than that. not save part of the conspiracy down. There has to be a worldwide conspiracy. There you have it it's safe. Now I think someone who hip drink there, a nice- and I know, and so have you know I am quite happy it's the least perhaps not as dangerous as using a cell phone on a plane reggie, while you like the noise So what is the cell phone thing on aeroplanes? What was that,

three? Why are we in this situation? Why can't I talk to my friends? when I'm on a six hour flight cause you domini france, Actually, I you so much and so did I know that personal electronic devices are also called p. These were initially banned on an aircraft or an aircraft in general in nineteen sixty one people who love ladys pedophiles so do they had won a chronic stress as they did what a day there was a risk. This was the result of a study conducted by the hour, tc aid, radio, technical commission for aeronautics riches and on non profit. Private. company that the athenian c c of used for decades to do independent research, so they do company serves as a federal advisory committee, which conduct studies on navigation, air, air traffic management systems, communications and surveillance. So the artists is found that, although

strongly low, the chances of interference and p. These is most risky during take off and landing, and this was the initial study that was done. The sixties, that kind of put the the fear out there I don't know how heavily it was acted on because I did figure a lot of people that had a personal electronic devices at that time to do enough to really work, but as as a technical Gee evolved in more and more people start to get them nineteen. Ninety one, the fc caesar roughly twenty two years ago, the fcc then put a ban in play and the reason why was because they were. they were worried not because that it was really interfering with the avionics but because they were worried that it was gonna, overwhelm the cell towers and just a service. So imagine in this way,

now your cell phone might be in contact with one two, maybe three towers. It all depends on how far away they are from you, and I know that there is a lot of software that goes involved unites involved with the exchange which of you know going from one tower to another and all that. But in essence your phone is connecting to cell towers and it's on the network, but your phone, connecting to all the towers because it air there is something new and regards distance light, a site and all that with your cell phone now, if you're up at forty thousand feet your father, can suddenly see and connect to dozens hundreds, I don't know it's as they could be a good overwhelm the network, not of course not just one form, but if you have to say fifty thousand people. We're in the air and they're all connecting to hundreds of towers. This good theoretic the overwhelm the system or or the system that we had say five years ago and and before, but now they believe that big eyes of recent technological advances that maybe that's not going to be an issue any more so C c is the real culprit here?

and blocking us from using our cell phones on airplanes. So, on thursday, the twelfth of december two thousand and thirteen, the fcc voted to publicly review the cell phone ban, and this the mean that we're all gonna be talking about forty thousand feet soon. This review could take some I think they're initial time spent on it was a month to get the initial puddle talking done in everything where this is going to be a well there's a lot of debating. That's gonna gore, on around this in for a lot of different reasons, so I dont think that it is irresponsible for them to review the ban I also think that we really need to one hundred percent validate whether or not electronics truly can disrupt aid Annex on airplanes, I know that the myth busters did is but they did a limited study. They only used one type of of device. that airplanes used to communicate to the ground.

You know now a lot of aeroplanes are moving into gps tracking and then they're, not sure you know. If it's going to interfere with the gps tracking or not, I absolutely wouldn't take that tv show as ok, this disproves or disproves anything to a degree where going change the law, but it could give a nudge in the direction right. I think what it did was it. It made us realise that we need to do more testing, and I don't understand and why there hasn't been an enormous amount of testing done on this, probably because it's phenomenally expensive, there's so many phones out there. Every year new cell phones are hitting the market they probably to test the stuff like crazy. That's the thing part of the reason for the ban was that they just didn't want to have to test every carrier. Every model phone which is constantly they would be constantly testing new models. so they just enough square with what has been the whole thing rather than having to test it all. I with that, I'm fine with that been initially yo now we can reach,

visit this. I I don't know where the money is going to come from. Fifty, that's you see, opening the door to re analyzing. The data, perhaps even ordering new data. I am for as long as it does in your break any budgets or do anything ridiculous money, the I'm not continuing with the story on the same day, last thursday, Anthony fox who's, the transportation secretary of the department of transportation and united, States was leaning toward their own band, protect aviation consumers and not sure if that protection was for the physical safety of passengers on planes, or more of the emotional safety, now get this. So there's a lot of people that are saying that there were. read about disruptions on aeroplanes, meaning that ok It's gonna be people that are on like these six, our twelve our flights even are you know we got? You fly from the united states to australia, you're on a plane for sixteen twenty two hours whenever a hugely he huge flight

Imagine sitting next to someone who's talking to their bff above Oh, I don't know whenever something that completely annoys you for three hours, yo nonstop put your headphones on. You have it still steve? What did you sitting right next to the person I can. I can understand that I am. I typically dont have disruption for They sit on aeroplanes with conversation wise because there are usually not having ain't there not engaged in a lively conversation right next to me. In the times, happened. I agree I put my headsets I'm, but what? If the whole plain was doing, it would have you know, half the plane was involved in form conversation. I'm not even sure how disruptive it would be, but they can sk each other. every like us talking on the phone anyway, I know people just text anyway, especially kids, don't talk. No there, organizations out there, that are already asking for their two for this law to not be vetoed the ban to be removed? I know that flight attendants or the organisation that manages flight attendants.

they were saying that their worried. They think that there could be conflict between passengers airplanes yo. I don't doubt that either you know you never know some somebody gets pissed off at somebody else about a phone ex ninos sophist by on an airplane, that's bad saw. I think these things need to be studied. They protested tat, they ve already tested using letting it full airplanes allow their passengers need to talk on cellphones. Other trees other than the united states have allowed limited use, or are you certain flights are allowed to do it or whatever? It is that it happens there? Third, this has been done many times to the point where I think we can You say that you are planes, and pulling out of the sky because of it at the very least, and at that best I have never heard any major complaints about conflict between passengers on those flights, but they could do a lot did study they could roll it out. Maybe one airline contested temporarily and see how it goes. Even have people on the flights analyzing the passengers and see

reaction, is you know you interview people after the flight, there's a ton of things that they could do, but what curious that what are you guys think all of a sudden? Let's say that in a month they were going to lift the ban, do you haven't got reaction sorted out our world? Look like reactions will see what happens and we'll work it out. That's my gut reaction and yeah. Don't think that there be any. The tragic you know immediately happening. I think the worst that will happen is like some mild inconvenience from people grumpy about it, but who cares get over it I'm social protocols will come into existence but dimension that recently, the FDA lifted their ban on personal attract devices under ten thousand feet that as early as the biggest God I flew again that it happened. It's only on only to airlines, as of last month, had institute out no more have, but one of them was delta. I the time- and I was I can- I even explain to you what that did for my mental state flying just being able to keep my music on during the whole.

accede and, like the gaiety, gaierty charlie's, listen to music gets awesome, although I recently to canada, Canada still under the old rules, so landing in Canada? I had to turn off my electronic device, their worst jane, There have been some studies looking at cell phones and safety there are is mainly like case reports of pilots reporting. Their equipment going, haywire and coralie that that too, allowing or disallowing electronic devices being turned on habitats, Oh, no! I don't. I don't trust that yeah! It's nice definitive! It's not it's out of you, but there and there have been some more controlled studies on the ground. Is they have got any, can should trolls studies in the air that I could say, but they have done with jets on round and no effect they have not seen any effective. The cell phones on the equipment So it's I dunno. It's still it's a little bit of an open question. It seems like it's prior, probably be safe, but did you know it is theoretically

possible for a lot of cellphone signals in the plane to disrupt gps, for example, or to disrupt the assuming the communications equipment in the cockpit. That's tough the boy had been the other. She something guy range oils died, automatic testing, are all these things generating those that different a signal that they do have to test each of these things individually. Can't they just bring up massive devices that emanate lots and lots of these signals at me well, I think part of written on it so without any regulations without any gates for them to jump through, then any company could develop a device that could damage avian x or disrupt avionics. I mean you could walk onto a plane with a device that does it. If you built one right there, we could all you could you could also lock onto a plain that will block cellphone signals? no one will know point. It would be nice people,

get email and text messages, though on airplane amene, even if they said, ok, no tar, our limited talk time. Maybe we'll have talking windows. Were you could talk on the plane? If it's a six, our flight, you know an hour and a half hours is ok to talk whatever. That type of thing, I would think, is fine. I was sick of quick break for our sponsored this week. snow capital, as you guys know, I recently won the mega millions jackpot and have they. Geike took the lump sum, pay out and I've got it in a thousand different account Checking savings, retirement credit investments, a mortgage. Why not? I bought a mortgage, how he do with oranges. I support a reverse. That's what I did. So what do you do and all of your monies all over the place? And how do you make good investment decisions when you really seen one piece of the puzzle the time their personal capital? Does totally changed the game, it combines all your financial accounts and it gives you toto

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and give it a try our guys. Let's get back to our show, all right, Evan, safe, who said noisy, who aids that noisy, but only last week's yeah. Let's do it right now. you're afraid of believe me or to disbelieve, but please take my word on it, but I'm not joking. This is very serious, a matter of importance at that time. I had no idea what I was saying, it resembles nothing that I had ever heard describe. It resembled cosmic energy. It had colors move fast collected and then disbursed so didn't act. I contradict himself twice in that Brief statement, don't take my word for it, but believe me yeah, rather raised earlier la J D said it resembled I think, I'd ever seen before it resembled the plasma. Maybe he's never seen plasma before,

about eight may recently heard it described. I imagine his fellows are well read person, because that was in fact philip K, dick o p, leading he can. The ninth sayyar enjoyments, assigns picture rather see what stories are: has he read no couple ones you may have heard of no blade runner at total recall minorities or any of those ring about four blade. One what do I do to address rim of arrangements like yeah yeah? That was name of the book and then we're going to work in a movie yeah where'd story very, whereas they was a weird guy, obviously, because he why he talked about a lot of different things, and I guess in this particular peace in this lecture that he was giving from nineteen seventy six it it this. He has this idea that reality is this pernicious illusion and a repressive enough that an authoritarian matrix generated in a dream factory.

Where we should be tearing things down or to see things as they really are to get to the truth. What a scary world some people live in typical yeah. They do. Although I don't know. Was he a little ahead of its time and because we talk, we ve talked about on the show. How are we doing oh that we're not in some kind of grand simulation and tests are being scientific experiments, are being run to try to answer that very, very question, so others, the legitimacy I think into some of these ideas, but he intertwined with out of mysticism, spirituality, religious overtones and several other things that really don't fit well play nice with science. So it's kind of a mixed bag. I'd say everybody get it several people got. It

but neither can several, but that can only be one that can be one where each week aurora kurtz g archie s aurora, you are this week's winner. Congratulations ass! Well done all right and with the aurora. She is now officially. The final contestant in our year end wrap up whose noisy contest in which we have accumulated, all the winners from all the weeks. We played who's that noisy. but in all their names into a hat and we're gonna select one to be the great prize winner that grand prize winners- to be joining us in two thousand fourteen. One of our episodes to play science fiction with the rest of the rogues amount will be drawing that name next episode, so something look forward to pay and speaking of next episode, I have another noisy we're to play next, who's that noisy for you and we will veal! It during the four show in the new year, so you gonna have extra

I'm too. I guess this. One year ago the who the Ok, I like to give our audience a hint with this one. This is the most well uncomfortable who's that noisy. I think I have ever played there all right, sir.

w p m at the sceptics guy dot org is the email or the forums, eschew forms. Dotcom, go ahead and put your answer there give it your best. Guess: good luck! Everyone all right! Thank you, you're, welcome we're gonna do one email this week is female, comes from Brian shilly from lafayette colorado. That's the united states. Do not ever They know that ok he's eighty six became estate. He writes I stumbled across this website long ago. You really had that date on the tipp. Your tongue, yeah cosette I was watching a documentary. My city about you about the expansion of the united states in colorado was one of the subjects of aragon, brine right. Stumbled across this website long ago. In a recent discussion over and doubtful news, I brought up this site. It's an excellently. ample of audio paranoia. Then I went back and took a closer look, because the website appears to have changed significantly. Since I last

looked now, he is selling reverses speech as a service that has reportedly warned another ceo of a possible hacker or other criminal presence in a high level of his company, in the words of his hidden voice, channel, an arch, phelan or arc zone to being held between swing. Four square scares the crap out of me and as it implies, someone may have lost their jobs due to Paradise earlier. I feel sick reading. This thought you guys might like a look. Any links to reverse speech. Dot com has taken a listen to this yet this was actually a little bit scary, reverse speeches, yo, para dalia. Obviously, it's a prince brought to an absurd level and possibly a dangerous level as well, so there

Here is the dead with paranoia at your brain, is wired to tease, meaning out of out of sound just like it is her finding faces in clouds and burnt and bird toast to its very similar to the individual paranoia that we are so often talk about, but did this guy David GINO cheese the year the twenty year pioneer of reverse speech on his website. It said this discovery is its described as the seven cents and its also described as being of nobel caliber. I don't know who is actually doing that describing, but I wouldn't trust anything. he or she has to say about it, so why these breakthrough, apparently, is the idea that normal speech is composed of the usual words we hear and interpret, but also unconsciously integrated into. That is this backward speech.

If analyzed properly using his training and software, you could determine hidden motivations and and hid meanings, information and, ultimately the truth apparently comes through so the ideas that the at forward speeds that were all used to is a a product of the the conscious minds. The conscious mind. Speaking- and this reverse speech is the unconscious mind speaking he offers all sorts of things on is a website training course: training courses a whole bunch of those he was selling for about five hundred dollars and his books. Ebooks there's a reverse speech, analyzing software and apparently at some point he was also selling the hardware to do this. A reverse speech it now.

It says, but they don't sell that anymore, because everything is digital. Now, of course, so no, I I poked around, I couldn't find you know it and wasn't surprised, couldn't find any good evidence that the that reverse speech actually exists, as as he does, lives. It is really the truly nothing there odd to hang your hat on at all. And he had no matter how you look at this? Is it's it's out now silly me, what would the evolutionary pressure be? for selecting that ability anyway you know how that even now, why would your brain devote precious oxygen to something? that you think about how horrifically complicated it would be terrible, algorithm is running in the brain, that its encoding right barrier speech in our family and was right and what kind of grammar

No and early, it's not an. Apparently the the backward speeches is related to what the forward speeches saying by the but, like I said it, supposedly it's it's what you really or what you really mean by what you safe, if you can analyze it using his technique, so Bob they of course have this. On tape, right now, they have to do is what could mean reverse what you're saying and you could yeah but yeah the other software. This lets you or you know, manipulate sound files and and and of course, reverse them. I mean- doesn't sound too difficult to me to play backwards, but I guess you could do all sorts of of things with the software to you know to as you as you train and and learn how to die to develop your technique and into cheese has said it all out of a guy's exert exactly minded oda. He having ended the obvious thing here- is that with all this, not just reverse speech, but also just just figuring,

You know why, with random static or random noise means and like these ghosts hunters with very, was it the eu vp electronic voice? I'm gonna. It's the same thing. You you're you list to it, and you can- and you can you know, you're your finding patterns in the sound I in your brain is exquisitely a that and the key, though, is, and the best demonstration I ever had. I was listening to our two escaped to it up a sword and they played they played this. These nonsense, phonemes to see what you get what you made of it, and- and I really couldn't hear anything but then, but then Brion said this is: This is saying you know, imagine it saying this and he said a sentence and then once. I listen to it again. My brain snapped right into that an interpretation of what he said and I I did not hear it any more, so your expectations have a huge, huge effect on how you interpret anything, whether it's just nonsense, phonemes over or backward and to any type of back back,

speech rate, unlike that, there was an experiment in eighteen. Ninety eight that had subjects listen to what what owed sir has audiotape and those that were told what to listen for, of course, had much much more success than than those who were in that so expectation plays into the sum they are so much he's only the danger that the danger is color is gonna scary. At his website, like I said he, he believes that this reverse speech always tells the truth. He describes it as the ultimate lie. Detector test he advocates Employ employers using it for employees, selection, lawyers using it deposition analysis, our reporters using it, for you know to understand of politicians. some things in that off and then that in that and you just imagine what else could be applied to its really really scary. To think that, yes, I know, you know what you really meant by what you said, every totally reminds me of, and I'm sure you were thinking these words de facilitated, communiques

Yes, very similar to that in the end to ear we ve talked about that in the past and all the harm that that's wrought. It's the scary, humming, false execution and false accusations of sexual abuse, people going to jail just from yo facilitating communication. This would be very very somewhat that if any body took this seriously and try to make it mandatory for employers to use or lawyers have meaning that just so scary that we would ever even approach at that direction and course, if I ever took off outward lover, because he of course cells that the other training in all the end of the year, the eu books and training manuals and end the even the software in order to continue to make you proficient added, so he would meet. You know he would make a bundle with this became widespread I hope it never ever does yeah. Fortunately it seems to be pretty fringy. Yes, slowing doesn't have a reach that facilitate communication. He has issued a rigid more mining data to look for patterns and your teasing it

It's also hear this desire to have the back channel. To that you know. You don't want to do all the hard work of hours a year. This weight is just gives you instant access to the absolute truth. We loved that shit. Its serves our need for control and certainty, and no, but it's worse than that, need because by them That bob was talking about. It sounds like he's and controlling the result that he's getting yeah. It's not pattern seeking its pattern, manufacturing absolutely danger.

Well, there's a little demonstration. I took the liberty of taking a short segment from bob's presentation on this topic to something he just said a moment ago. I reversed it, which in audacity is really easy. You just hit the reverse button. So let's take a listen to it. Tell me if you hear anything in bob's, reverse speech, I think there's I catch a phrase which you could argue has some application to the topic. It can't, but we'll just let our listeners at home see what they hear. Let us know if you hear it in the speech. You then we'll talk about it on the first episode of next year standards, yet musician, oops, initially snow off my knights and always running our efficiency, zero roma.

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so what I did was. I went back and looked at signs news items of two thousand and thirteen that perhaps we missed or we didn't talk about war, so these can be size decided from any time during two thousand and thirteen? I thought then Rebecca. What do you think about that certain third? Well, no, it doesn't ok. Here we go. I didn't over one, the any, see corporation announced it had achieved a wireless transmission record of one point, o five petted bits per second: the two astronomers announced early in two thousand thirteen, that they discovered seven exo comments, and I never three. Japanese scientists created a transparent, zebra fish whose brain glows when active, so you can see its thoughts. Oh wow. I want to see that. How did we miss phoebe Evan, go first, a wireless,

transmission record of one point, o five petty bits per second, Is that a lot? Oh yeah, can you can you put that into layman's terms of crap caverns they got here. Ok, I just why these last game of the unified you get. Ok, Bartley naturally go. Shame on you, bad boxes. You have you to share his face. What it's like to easing the gorilla decades well? I don't know how do I am I supposed to know this, and I think this is right. Almost no stuff behaviour Really I mean how am I supposed to know that the record by like point one to eat you really, I don't keep up to date every day with new wireless transmission records. Let's just say that, however, that being so, I don't think you're one to screw around with, though you know them

it's like this, a it's not going to turn out to be like. No, the record was really a point, o nine petabytes per second or whatever. So I'm thinking ones right. The next one about the seven exo comments. First of all, I don't recall this at all at that I recall the petticoat one, either If you had that wireless treads wishing technology, you would be a pedophile. we're not allowed to see jokes twice. They use it. You said peter file as pedophile, totally different joke hope, you're right I mean it's idea. It's like tomatoes in tomorrow's world of. I think it is totally different. seven outcomes. Is there anything special about this? I imagine they astronomers Do these things existed promoting okay, so we discovered a few that match and they thought

we're out there any ways to be discovered, and now this it's cool not get out was cool. Some of the other items we talk about, such as glowing, brains and transparent superficially. You can see its thoughts. My gosh, that's that's too cool. and there's all sorts of news in two thousand thirteen bout glowing animals glowing things mysterious ocean glowing staff were glow worms and were finding out new things about other things that glow and but scientists created this one. Yeah and they create rabbits, the glow and cats, the glow in the dark and dogs. Oh that's entirely plausible. I don't see any problem with that And then I say these seven exo comets one is gonna point of being the fiction. Did not hear that it all this year. I think that would have gotten by me: ok, bob Wireless transmission, one point: five percent of its: were joined by the wait until fifteen. oh yeah. That's a lot! That's a lie:

it's amazing, that's that's bob lex I'm an audio back, asked by them. This is why that is It seems amazingly high, but not not as bad as some of the other ones. This transparent, zebra fish with the glowing brain year. I can definitely be out of me. They can. We think that that is ridiculous. I think think they could pull up. But what's gotten me, though, is this said the second one d, the seven exit, I'm not bind it for for a peak of second may be mainly because, maybe because there You damn small and we can we see that the comments in our solar system better in the old cloud. I would say about

fight your way to white years. I mean they're really far away. We can't see them so we're going to see seven that are farther away. No, I don't think I even, but even amid what will the gravitational effect know that too small and some transiting effect? No, I don't think that that's how good they are too small for that too. So, yeah that one that bind that won the fiction. Exo comment: alright, rebecca, oh man. Well, that makes a really good case. I was going to dismiss both that and the parents, one as b into boring, and that is why I had heard them her. They named the seven exo comets doping be dies, Asher, dance away. This aid as a narrow, I was just in seasonably. Yes, by thinking originally was because I haven't heard of any of these

One of them sounds really fun, and so I feel like I would have heard of it. the other matter borri? Now? Ok, I'm gonna get a lot of angry emails over the. How dear Rebecca say that about data transfer. So, for that reason I wanted to go with the zebrafish one zebrafish Are, I think, they're the fish there you often in research and because their transparent so like they wouldn't created the transparency professions in the part that surprising clarity are transparent by the fact that the brain glows, when their act, like David, have brains, I'm

convinced. The zebra has even have brains, but I feel I would be an affair, a thing to be done, and I ve got a cluster around fifty neuron riot as I now central ganglia, but it would have a bird. That's that's what I'm thinking like their zebra for come. I didn't you didn't you see that frequent nay movie, I mean you got lost. He was looking for a son and all that he now has a clown fish whenever can violate different fish had stripes it's that fish definitely had a brain, zebra fish, though I'm not convince. So for me it is between the exile comets. Now only because bob made a good argument and the zebra fish, but I'll be different. I'll go with you why not already j- I don't know first one is bothering

The most s, probably because I happen to know the most about that one point, all five petty bits per second wireless bob wireless and we want it. What is it? you know I mean even if it, even if it were a nanometer away from the transmitter yo. I think that might be able to do that. Fibre optically, maybe but not wireless. So I'm not quite sure what our fiber optic network can do. What but Google's got going on right now, but I dont, I dont, think wireless is even close to that. Not even close italy, where I work so that one side, which I think that one is the fake by far and away so far I heard said about the exile comets. I just don't know enough, and we even know how many moons pluto has so far. And what do I know that five. I so seven exo comments. I donno in another

to admit. I decide, wouldn't even know where to begin to cut that one up, you can jabbing right. I heard you but I've seen internally, I don't have it ensure do. I trust you over wireless bob wireless. I know about that's wacky as well, but this is whack. You hear that troubles me that you say that, but is it that big a deal that they found seven exo comets, wouldn't they they were doing a transit in front of some start. My comment in formation more measured in the missing in the mist, the missing man formation, man So then this one about the transparent, zebra fish, whose brain glows. When active. I adore this news item. I would I hate that hate to think It's not true, because I need to see it in and when a google it right after it's real! I want to see it right away. I don't know I mean it is gonna, weird that they could did you know that I don't like the idea that they're making things see through and then their brain lights, up kind of, like a heat map tape deal but

is amazingly cool, so I dont know about that were either seems kind of far fetched but possible I don't know the only one I know for sure is not truce? Is the wireless one point? Five percent of its not linear, also allows no way, so that's it number yeah J. Hey do I agree that that that's huge that is insane, but I'm thinking that that probably it was you know some sort of set up, that's not that's! It may be expensive or not easy that it can't be mass produced, become commercial or maybe they can only do it for, like you know of tiny fraction of a second, so it kind of is equivalent to around I've been resolved here. Here's where the catches its de computation, transferring the signal right. It's leave sending in receiving parts. It's not the actual line transmission, it's turning it,

into the signal. When interpreting that signal again to me, that's the part, I can't possibly see we're even close to having the technology to to do that, but we ve got this and allow praetorian, no yeah believed the evidence, the devices that are better changing the signal to wireless and then unchanging it back and turning it into the the wired signal Those things are not that fast, though which is a whenever you want to call them those those things all operate that fast. We don't have anything even close to that. I guarantee you that one's is fake. Ok, that's pretty where's J, we have a guarantee. the strong words I old wall because Jeez being so confidently bully that one till the end, I thought you said you were at first custar whenever three would reverse motor japanese site created a transparent, zebra fishes brain glows when active, so you can see its thoughts and that one airline rebecca backer side yeah,

If that almost fiction, though, and if it was because of the never brain, Steve girl anyway, bread of the central nervous system, I will get it out again, but yeah, they hope, wouldn't jugglers sideways. This thing without a break wouldn't have been great besides yet is totally uber cool transparent. Z, professional, didn't video that transparency could see through its stated. This is big. Why brain and ass. Thinking about food or whatever you could see this little bright lights. brain zipping around so what they did was they linked christ, I'm watching right now, that's cool it is activated by the calcium spike that happens when the zebrafish are going to rain sounds weird with each other. It's so weird, oh wow, that is crazy. Little barks of light. It looks like something from science fiction are really there

the sun was shining a laser corner at a wall in the dark. That's the brain I understand the guy like even gave describing what I'm saying that might be them trying to make the brain. Think snack, that's cool thing. I do that with the person. Next, it is just a fish I wouldn't over to next strong where's announced early in two thousand thirteen that they discovered seven exo, comets, bob and Evan. Think this one s affection, yo it there is an advantage to having a whole years worth of news. Items to choose from tat no kidding, whereas one week it I'm kind of and their shared rayner shit state without surrounded has been truly certain, I'm probably from like six hours. It was much easier is much easier to find three coolers where the whole you, but I did how to go, did do ones that we didn't talk about that. I didn't remember

So this one, the extra comments bob increasing pretty certain of yourself that this was not the answer now to start somewhere in his J seem still pretty confident where Ok, so you didn't read it ok, good! I tell the so come at one is signed and why him waiting J is this your second solar, wind and erode wow? Did I read that yeah I've done a loan the tidings adroitly man have strong J Dig end with a huge package. Balls, I admit I ended this year pretty well, like, alas, a line of stay. I won one ass. Well, how do you think that The scope of someone went to stand by what I thought it was a transit. It notes that the transit by their tails, Hell share I think that one of the obsolete eighty

now see they had seen summits now this wasn't the first year that they had seen at the first exo com. It was seen in nineteen. Eighty seven around beta victorious three more stars were comments, turned up before nineteen. Ninety eight. Why did I then, but then the so planets started being discovered that dominated, but this year astronomers said think they started looking for extra comets again and they were able to identify seven likely candidates, and one of the astronomers was so bold as to predict that two thousand and thirteen would be the year of the extra comment that it would become more interesting than exo planets. Of course, exo planets had a huge year this year and he was completely wrong and I predict in, but decks comets still cool. We could still darla. We could. Perhaps he commented around other stars not surprising. You know, it's never

pricey when we find out that, are that us that our situation is typical, that our solar system are planned, etc. But you know it is nice confirmation that yeah there are comets around other stars not talking this unusual, for solar system which rewrites, which means that the energy cooperation announce it had achieved a wireless transmission record of one point. Pet of its per second is fiction. And J you hit upon. The exact reason why it is right because the any c and corning achieved record breaking results in optical. Transmission, I was I was fiber optic. That's right, lasers can switch that fast, but you're right. It's the andean points that the problems they use stay novel, multi core fibre that contains

well single mode in too few mode cores by employing the advanced space division, multi flexing scheme and optical multi input, multi output or a memo signal processing technique. Stay fiber optic breakthrough, but I had to look and see what was the record for wireless realistic one point of view Pet of its two point: five terror bits as at all by that's really. Three orders of magnitude of three orders are minimised, any see they suck snow had somebody else without even our tax rate. That was. This is from a two thousand and twelve american indian. Ellie researchers and use the twisted vortex beams to transmit data to point five terabytes per side that we too about that. Where we see where we say you borrowed are two thousand twelve item to make the none other decides. One is the the pay attention

come on cuba. Not I don't know the fiber optic is the news. The two dozen thirteen item, I just four to flesh out my discussion about the noble. What was that? What is the record for wireless since the two point by turbid so well done J? Thank you. I have a like most experts on good at a very few things, thanks to their legs, gave her bible fiber optic. I love that I am expert takes giving about quality rated expert J, skeptical skeptically themed quotes. I am Firstly, when awesome listeners, email great quotes into me like like this when I would never have found this co. It's a very small quote, but it's a nice Carl Sagan, so I thought I'd read it to you, the problem with this Oh is there are a bunch of names that I have to try to pronounce correctly and I'm going to fail some power

rising to Jan now, who said that the quotas jan fabric Kirkhi, wits forever turkey wits. Thank you from poland. This is a quote by a band called night wish and the song was written by twoam ass, hollow painting. Has hit? Finally, I met the court. The crow is it's hard to light. A candle easy to curse the dark instead classic they wish. That I don't know, I don't got out of an older origin. Yeah, that's not their origin. Stephanie, not with them that leads to further song, but Ben franklin everything everything. Is it cursor darkness light a candle?

so a castle, vain yeah hold him in his time, he's very cool that they quote him and that it also references Carl Sagan and apparently some type iraq band, which is very cool because of the candle in the dark sizes, came over him. I woke up. This is our last regular show of the year next week is our year and wrap up episode. George rob will be joining us for that episode. It's always a lot of fun. Urge george, a lot of fun n a year and rapid shows a lot of fun. So it's going to be doubled, plan, and will announce right ever will announce the winner of the contest, the whose noisy guess we well. That's cool Ex excited about that everyone can wait to see who we end up with YAP nationalist play the noisy again, and we can talk a little bit more about it. talk about the winner as well. So let's get a drink

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