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there's a lot of Red Canada. But what do you
where are we right now so that set the table? Okay, so cabinet has
five Republicans rallied around him, and then it seemed the Jeff. Flake got cold feet
and when I say that allowed the. I wanted note here, like the incredible power of confrontational activism. Jeffrey
was confronted in an elevator by breaks. Survivors and like you could see his face right like who, like
forced him to see them as human beings, and I get out of the republican Democratic. This is just a political fight thing, and after that I mean we can't say a hundred per cent for sure. That's what did it, but given that he had said he was going to go
Yes on cabinet before that, and then that happen and then he came out and created this coalition to four
an investigation like that
It's amazing work that those activist shouldn't have had to do, and you know I think, in one of the cases that person's mother found out about a sexual assault, because she saw the video, but it made a big difference. Yes, so
FBI, investigation got
away as a result of flakes cold feet and there had been widespread reporting before this happened at the White House is fear about this FBI investigation which may just be spin because there's oftener span was not so much about the investigation itself, but that delay would produce more stories about bread, Cavanaugh. That would make him look bad and I would say that as true at lunchtime, weeds listeners will know that I have been saying for a long.
Time to per capita keeps lying about things and I think Friday, afternoons coverage of Cavanaugh. Testimony really emphasised these strong and indignant nature of his denials and have Republicans had rallied around his his banner, but now
four or five days after that we have seen more focus on the fact that many of the things he said or not true,
and some other thing there's like a range of verify ability right like at the end of the day, Christine Ford's charges against him are extremely grave, but it's very hard to know for sure. Like what's up, there is quite clear that the people who Cavanaugh said under oath had referred
her testimony just did not in fact do that just a huge deal, I think, Grech and then
this whole middle ground stuff right. It's like.
How sure am I that beach, weak Ralph Club is about drinking until you puke not about spaghetti sauce? You know
I don't know man but there's like so many things she said. Category of like lies
both things. Like about the drinking age in Maryland, where you keeps doubling down in this fact that he said he was able to legally Drinkin Maryland, he was seventeen drinking age was eight
like there's. Also, these lies the just. Don't make a ton of sense to me about her
Matt convince me that might have an explanation Whaley, where the disease
he's drinking eight years. Actually, eighty I mean, I think, that's too. There are coming in here to buy beer, which is like that quite legal, but that I mean, I think with a lot of this. I do want to be careful because there's a lot of the p word is flying around a lot here of of purged.
and a lot of this stuff is not
this is I entertained of rowing spoken to lawyers is not perjury. If you parse really really closely like what Cavenaugh said about the legal
king age. He never like deny is
that the legal drinking age was raised or that he may have had drinks when he was too young
and Democrats because they were not. They didn't put like a dog product
it to cross, examined him, so they all flipped around and often like, quite quite kneel down, and on these points
But I would say it is deceptive right, like the overall thrust of both his Fox NEWS interview and then his subsequent testimony was to try to say that Brett Cavanaugh was pretty normal guy, who had some beers every once in a while with his friends on the weekends when like. In fact, we can see on his calendar like weekday drinking appointments. Is your book is like full of jokes about
hard party. Here he was people who knew him at Yale say he was extremely hard drinker in these like a sort of many controversy today, where there's a store,
about this New Haven Police report about a bar fight? He was in nineteen eighty five
lifting some conservative saying like pay hooker
about a bar fight. Nineteen. Eighty five- and I agree right like if you had just come up the day before the vote on the gorsuch
Are there been like a story like he got in a bar fight? Once in college, you say like Yahoo cares right, but the specific reason for this is that, like a friend of Cabinet from college was quoted in major newspapers, saying that in his opinion, Kavanaugh had been lying about his drinking habits when a year, and then he offered as an
sample of the fact that Cavanaugh was lying, that one time Cavanaugh even got so aggressively drunk. He got in a bar fight and the police had to be called.
the reason their stories about the police report is to verify that what Chad Luddington said was true bright and again. The fact that one thing Luddington said is true, doesn't mean
everything he said is true, but in general, in life, when you have these situations where people are disagreeing about their characterisation of past events, you try to assess the credibility of the witnesses ride so, like Christine Ford, alleged fewer of flying was like put under the microscope by Republicans, not because
to be afraid of flying is terrible, but because, like if your accusing someone of something you need to be rock solid and credible ride, so they they probed her story and they didn't catch around.
Anything terminals up there. It's the same thing right: it's not like puking, because you drank too much at a beach party proves Europe rapist,
but when you're up there and you're saying I didn't do it, I didn't do it believe me, this woman is lying for no reason the fact that he's up there and like he say and stuff- that's not true,
adders and then, when people who knew him in college or saying, look he's characterizing what he was like in college wrong and then they make specific verifiable claims like the fact that those claims are verified. Also, matters may think like in the larger context of this one of the things that continues to kind of snowballing
have you talked to elaborate on Friday, is just kurdish question of why stay so committed to this particular guy.
You know when I look at the investigation carried curious. If you guys have different viewpoints on it, it see,
like it was done in the expectation that would not find anything, but this is kind of a way to get
wherefore voting to say look, we did the F B, I investigation and still he said she said we have done our duty,
and now we can move forward on this about you know you ve even seen Senator Jeff Flake. You said this is a condition
this vote saying he expects to support Cavanaugh, but he
wants to go through this investigation for
student. Maybe this will go off track. Something will be found,
we're still in the middle of this.
sagacious, but it's
still seems, raises larger question of wise stick with this particular nominee like who met said that seems to constantly gathered dodging
truth or lying about the truth. When there are other jurists and judges, you could go
after end, it seems like
Peter during the investigation and away it's a bit of a backing off of Cavanaugh, but it's almost like a chance to double
down on him to kind of wait one week waited
So there is certainly the risk of like other news stories coming out, but if you kind of make it through this one week period, which are not talking about like the longest time
in the world or talking just the span of a week that you can make it through that one week period,
to the other side and confer
the sky. It seems like a very strong commitment on the part of the White House on the part of republican centres to sticking with this
now many that they ve packed verses moving
and someone else thing like this. Guy has not proved to be a good candidate
I understand some of the reasons, but it just seems to me is surprising how how much they stick with
this guy, and you know what the repercussions are going
we that going forward as a Democrat as Democrats think about how they want to manage their supreme court nominations. It seems
its setting up a pretty ino unfortunate and possibly quite troublesome process
I totally agree with all their so a couple things here. One is that so I've reading
lot of the cabinet defences on the right and and something that I think, helps explained that the mystery or pointing out is that they have completely absorbed this, as a like, a cynical tat
deck. The Democrats are trying out on cabinet that they sort of dead against Clarence, Thomas and Republicans need to break so it can be used in every nominee going.
For it. There's a slightly unusual thing here. Republican seem to think that possibly every nominee they put forward to the Supreme Court is gonna. Have a series of credible sexual sought allegations lurking in their background, which there may be other haste,
that particular vulnerability new nominees, but there is a
very strong view that Democrats.
cannot be allowed to do this, that this is not about Ford in fact,
they were the most important practical decisions here was to not focus on Ford or her credibility and for probably just turn the focus on Democrats, and if you go back to that day, like
Cavanaugh says what crossly says will Instagram says now
say this is ridiculous
allegations by Christine Bossy Fort, like they all say you know maybe someday
happen, but her memories, probably failing, will die hard drinker overhead.
his memories perfect.
If there is an amazing chart on this point that Alvin changes for us there, too amazing tried seated, but the one that will put this ensure notes
It shows he looked at what the different question senators asked about
the questions about process. All the senators questions were about the democratic process there.
secure Rachel Mitchell. She has some questions about the actual incident, but
You actually don't see their public and senators to your point asking a single question about what actually happened. It was purely apologize to him for for the trouble and, of course, if they cut off the prosecutor, but so that's one piece of it: the sticking with care
and I said this has become very tribal and like even if they could just replace him with somebody who would vote
exactly or even more conservative leaving Cavanaugh, it would still be losing you know once a kind of
tribal status. But conflict gets activated. People get very
into the winning or the losing, and they don't want to lose, and they don't don't wanna show democratic and do this and give them the satisfaction, so they ve got an over invested here. I think that much is clear, but the other thing that that I think goes to your point is that just backing out in getting that some credit for having pegged this pretty
clearly from the beginning, this guy shouldn't beyond the Supreme Court the way that he has comported himself throughout this affair-
shows he should not be on the Supreme Court one. At this point. He so furious at Democrats that the idea of it he would be a fair chance
In a case it has partisan. Valence is ridiculous. I mean he came out and slashed into Democrats called this a Clinton revenge plot. I mean what he said was legitimately about point getting crazy, but here
absorption of this has been a very partisan thing and end, of course, was a true partisan cleavage in it. But
he's like a lot. He
It has been unbelievably like this respectful the committee and then people who have been comported themselves with lot of dignity throughout this. It's just like, as a judicial temperament question. It's going to be hard to know the truth
But what we seen of this guy under a lot of pressure has not been what I would hope to see in a judge
what answer one thing here, because the thing you see on the right when people say this is well anyhow,
who is accused and Heather name dragged through the mud for crime. They didn't commit woody reacting exactly this way, and I think there are two things to say about that. One is just in the political space like think about Hillary Clinton in the biggest
Europe's? She had also had her name dragged through the mud for an insane charge that she did not do like she had been attacked everywhere in the country for a year. At that point, saying that you
let orb somehow aided it was even could clear but permitted for people who work for her to die, which is a charge.
Incredible gravity I mean people talking about like in the the real should have already talked about treason. This is before Lockherup became a thing for emails, but there was a lot of like kind of lock her up, so
and she had to do, hearings on it and she, I'm sure, felt unbelievably unfairly slandered, and you know what she came up and treated. The thing is part of the thing that happens in a democratic republic like it is
you gotta go and got to answer the questions. Could people have them in that's how it works, cabinets, a judge, the idea that he cannot
about side himself enough to recognise that, while it may be awful for him and its possible that he passed, you know if this
been totally forgotten. It right. I'm I'm open to the idea that his anger is completely real, but the idea of it emits
credible allegations of past sexual assault. They just have to be investigated. It's not about him it's about
system. It's about the rule of law. It's about the trust we can have an people Supreme Court and they
The he's responded to that investigation and, yes, there's, like politics happening around
and people writing up ads and people sending tweets. I'm sure a lot of it is unbelievably painful, like you go into it
This level and like the fact that the current step outside himself enough to big yeah, you know what, like somebody being
considered to one of the highest judges in the land, you're gonna have to lick, investigate stuff.
just to make sure that the law is being administered by people who are credible and administering it. And so I don't buy the thing.
The only possible reaction cabin I could have had to this is
why do rage against Democrats and to suggest it delaying
Fr another day to try to investigate what happened, given that the other witnesses are credible and us pass corroboration of what they said is that
the system is supposed to work. It's very frustrating to me that, like
His reaction is being seen as the only possible. Yes, you can have it as opposed to action. That is not the one you're supposed to have here to elevate alone that so
that was quite elevated. I'm elevating you more elevating beyond break out too that the meaning of this report
I realise that I was a little bit lurking in the background. Of of this whole thing. Is that my perception- and I think the perception of most politically engage liberals is that the Supreme Court of the United States has had a conservative majority on it since some time in the early nineties right that there has been a one point: five before conservative majority and that with the replacement of century O Connor by similar Lido, it became even more conservative and
With the replacement of Anthony Kennedy by whoever it's gonna become even more conservative than was before, but that it has been conservative all along and you can see that it's a conservative majority in the fact that both like the bulk of the rulings went on the conservative side and the fact that the majority of the justices were appointed by republican presidents in the
that in the year two thousand, the conservative majority said that, rather than counting votes, so we could see who had won the election. We were just gonna make George W Bush. We president,
and in the fact that Central Asia, Connor and Anthony Kennedy both strategically time there were tire to put republican successors in the
like this, has been a conservative majority for decades for basically my aunt Hannah Garlic,
we'll ended, then what happened with the school year Garland,
thing is essentially Republicans were saying, and I understand why they like chose to use their authority this way, but that,
the rule they were putting in place is that nothing should ever allow Democrats to have a majority on the Supreme Court Bright day like that is women.
Issue. There was that having dominated the Supreme Court for decades was not good enough, that they should dominated forever and increasingly aggressive supreme court,
that has just started growing laws out Willy nilly with fight no text will support whatsoever.
But the conservatives see it. The other way, righted
cause Kennedy has sort of centrist views on abortion and liberal views and algae BT rights. They feel like they ve been losing the scream court for generations, despite the Nixon Reagan, Bush sort of ascendancy in in the White House and that they are fighting like dogs, but just for once get a fair, shouted. The right and that's a big clash of perspectives across the garland course
Cabin are sort of nominations, right is like. Are we talking about radicalizing and further entrenching a conservative majority that we ve already had for a generation and that there appears to be like actually no way within the bounds of the rules? The Democrats can break it, or are we finally for once letting conservatism get its get its breath of fresh air
and like. I have a clear view whose right and whose brought about this abortion is an important topic in american public policy. But as I was not the only issue, and particularly the kennedys jurisprudence on abortion has not even been that liberal
You know, but I think that's like part of what we are struggling with here and
Conservatives are not fully
understanding. I think that pudding, somebody has damaged as cabinet on the bench is going to give Democrats.
licence to engage in the sort of procedure.
Radicalism. That thought
leaders on the left probably would want to engage in any way.
I mean I want to give a little more credence. The conservative viewpoint on this, because I do think like when you kind of look at the areas of jurisprudence that matter
abortion really is a polarizing one, and in that place
abortion advocates have been pretty. You know not fully happy but
pretty happy with what what has happened since the row decision. One rose,
then upheld. It spends so you've seen the court
hold row and nineteen seventy three guaranteeing basically a right to a first trimester abortion, some rights, two seconds
master and very very limited rights to third trimester abortion, but pretty liberal decision use ends
that followed with plan parenthood, Verses Casey, which allows states to create more
structure Zena Abortion advocates warrant thrilled with this
Are things like way,
periods, but others are knocked down. For example, in plain parenthood versus Casey, they say meter some of these laws or on parental consent and are not allowed that aid
You think, when I talk to you, I spent earlier in by reporting career a lot of time covering the pro life and protest movements, and that this
really was the issue where pro life advocates helped stuck
would put up these laws and states, they would send them up to the Supreme Court and they could not get a ruling that they want. The most
recent example would be in Texas where the Supreme Courts
down some laws there that were abortion restrictions are kind of like a backdoor abortion restriction requiring clinics.
Air to have really meet really stringent standards about the width of their hallways and different sort of facilities and the Supreme Court struck
doubt- and I will say you know in this one area that does
ten to cattle,
eyes more activism on the right. The definitely is
this historically has been more of a motivating issue on the right verses, though the laughter,
maybe that change if we use a shift in the court neighbour already seeing that change with loud activism, that's happening.
Then rose, I will say you knew from the
you point of folks who oppose abortion, that this has not felt like. I can
I would of course, to that mean another area where hasn't baltic conservative court is the affordable care ACT
You see it actually making all these rulings are generally uphold. It
people CARE Act, Medicaid expansion, assizes ceiling on these polarizing, any, not technical issue.
the decisions that are like covered
nightly news. The decisions that people here about Obamacare to hear about abortion
that it has not felt like a conservative courts on these kind of really been well
publicize who want these are very much. Take your point on abortion. The one thing that I do think you're seeing their, though, is how far right conservatism is going in real time. So it's like, I would say, the affordable care.
Rulings really were like, maybe Republicans didn't like them, but they were insanely can
If I mean I was looking back at some work done for peace piece doing and when the before care challenges began, people
or in care were saying. There is a lesson one percent chance of court takes a seriously or in care is a Supreme Court clerk. I think fur cap
anyways of very well respected, right, leaning, judicial scholar
you know- and I have a lot of people saying that to me on the record. You you heard this ignoble took the seriously and then it was taken.
seriously and similar them.
The expense was not thought to be in jeopardy and ultimately was caught up
and so you not I member talk to these same scholars right before it went to the Supreme Court. You know after it had gone through, like all these lower conservative courts and got in favourable
links on their side in those in its fifty fifty gets overturned. So I just want to be
careful, not because what I think when I look at that, I think there was such a mean that to me it's like one moment I was like okay, the court is just basically a political body and, like maybe republicans,
push it as far into an unbelievably radical place. They wanted to go where the party that complains about legislating from the bench wanted them to uproot and repeal the entirety of the affordable care act all at once, because
like it. But to me one of the things in his cap happening and I think it's embedded open mouth story is it Republic
judges are getting named and then the party is moving further right and it was a delta between, like the conservative judge, name did like early Reagan or early Bush and like where the party has
on and then praise. I wait these this brought getting conservative rulings Blake, they are
the rulings are quite conservative, don't just like the republican parties getting conservative at such an accelerating rate and what they are demanding has become.
like so outlandish like again repealing entirety, they fordable affordable characters. We don't like
and then the like sea like we're we're losing at the court like they ve completely move
the goal posts in a way that, like a couple years ago, would have never even imagined,
I just think it's worth you don't work. Having serious thing right, this double standard read so Post Casey they overturn some abortion restrictions, but not all
them, so that's a lost for the right, but also
post easier. They overturned part of the Asia, but not all of it, and that's also, alas, for the right.
And like it is, but that's it just like it's. A loss will do a very robust thing and the other thing
abortion and then again, abortions import
it matters a lot to a lot of people. People live very strong feelings about it. That said, if your primary goal, jurists potentially had been to overturn, Casey and return power of
abortion to this its right to easy way to get that done would have been to replace Justice Kennedy with like an Anti Kennedy, just spread with justice. You took a very hard line view that judges should be very modest and should overturn like almost nothing and should be very deferential too in a political branches right, protrudes advocates but hate somebody like that there were no bias against him. Most Democrats will mobilise against him, but you know like the efficacy. I would look at that and say like: oh that's, actually, gonna mean improvement relative to Justice Kennedy whose, like doing whirling saying that public sector
we're. Unions are illegal, bright and Democrats from Red States right, Joe Donnelly to mention Heidi had come whenever we really hard time voting. No justice like that would, in fact be really easily confirmed, but the Republican Party coalition
is like fanatically devoted to this incredibly unpopular, like business deregulatory agenda and they fight like crazy.
Who, like low and dishonest means to implement it, and so like not a single person in the republican Senecas or in the Trump White House,
is out. There saying the reason we need Brett cabin on the Supreme Court is to make virtually all federal economic regulation unconstitutional, but like that's what he thinks you know like he
believes that the National Security Agency is bulk, surveillance
of Americans call. Data is fine, but that the existence of the consumer Financial Protection Bureau is a threat to Americans, individual liberty
and like that is what brick haven't things and it is not addressing Craddock Ride like this. This is like what conservatives have been ruling for ten fifteen years,
and the I dont know why, but like the movement like refuses to acknowledge that, like this is the case that, like a really big thing, that they do, is they win elections on culture, war campaigns, and then they put judges in who were put forward economic
the ideas that are so toxicology unpopular, that they would never in a million years vote for it. Even though right now
begins- are running around saying that they support guenaud protections for pre existing conditions, while there
judges and their legal people are like trying to get it all tossed, and I don't even know what to say about it, but like it just it tries me crazy baby. If that's your votes, this kind of like circles back to
we started give that if that is your kind, economic brings met his question like why stick with bread
Can you not? You said they're not idiosyncratic views if you could find you
could see like on earth to
where public and say you know what lake we can't
the gate this we're not me
forward. You know we ve done calls from our constituents saying you know they don't want us to move forward on this. You know we're going.
to this list. We have we're picking someone else off of it were going
the confirm them before we. We need you to vote for us in the mid term so that we can stay in office that we can confirm this person's working for a mother said
court, just says
I don't I mean like. I don't
You think as like that travellers,
was just that strong, that it prevents the concession. If it's you know, I think of you. We talked about this limit on the Friday that the polling suggests that you do maybe people
Just don't care as much about this incident that you, if you look at republican voters, that they aren't as troubled by it as democratic.
It might be like I don't know what it is, but it seems like if that is the. If that is the store.
otherwise, what is happening and makes the decision to stick with Cavanaugh.
Even more surprising and baffling to me when
being of these aren't just views that are specific to this one person who comes without his baggage. At this point, I think it's totally ripe
I look. I do think it's tribalism and I do think if you look at the strategy they run going back now about a week. It's been a Fox news strategy. All the way through
it's been a mobilise the base on cabin behalf strategy. So the basic thing I think, is that which republican senator
wants to be the one to say. I M gonna kill the cabin on the nation, unlike absorb the fury of the entire republican base and Donald Trump and all the rest of it. What they should do collectively, straw
right like what they should have done, as I take him into a backroom insight. Listen, I'm
really sorry, you need to pull out of the thing, but he came out and under no circumstances will
draw from this process like there's no way, I will give you a safe out like that, was what the
those. Actually, I think, people mistook us. That was a message to Republicans on the committee
right when he came out and said I will never ever ever withdraw
You may vote me down on the floor, but I will be here he was
to them. Like I
there you're gonna be sitting there like a dagger. In your hand, having killed me with like
everybody in the Republican Party, watching you or you're gonna vote for me
right like those who your options like I'm, not giving you oh away out and like when they gave them the inner
on Fox NEWS is supposed to go on, like and besieged by cluster hope. You know like in a dark interim, a broader prosecution of America when he gave that in
probably angry anti democratic, like this is a democratic plot. It's a Clinton revenge plaudits because you think Donald Trump as an illegitimate president. It was all about activating the base to defend him, so republican
couldn't effect, and so what you are saying is a hundred percent correct like if this really
ay, I plotting their strategy like he'd, be gone right and like a big money bear, it would be the nominee. But it's not you know in and politics it gets here.
and he gets a rational. It's about shows of strengthened force, and so
Kevin remains in Germany, even as it like to your point. I think it is much worse for them to confirm him, then, to do
about and put him in with someone else. I get. Why be worse for them too, like let Democrats put up adjusted
I get that, like the substance of the rulings is important, but their activating d
cats around the court. The way Republicans got activated around the court and like long term, that's not good for the right. I would love to hear Blank went Amy, bear it
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also is going to be easier to sell American made cheese to Mexico, which is currently quite difficult, and am I don't know it's gonna probably make mexican cuisine more like tat
ex cheesacre. Then there is also a big
just to intellectual property rights, so Canada is adopting America's longer copyright terms. They are also raising the length of time that new biologic drugs are immune from generic competition. So that's important to Hollywood and important to american pharmaceutical makers, and in this change to cars
full change one is that there is a higher requirement that all the car parts be made from inside the NAFTA block. So we used to be, I think sixty percent is going up to seventy five percent and is also
In fact, they are asking the mexican auto industry to increase its minimum wage to sixteen dollars an hour, at least from many mexican car park.
Actor is which is a very large increase, and I think it somewhat ambiguous as to whether the upshot of that is going to be a pay rays from executing autoworkers or just a reduction in like the use of Mexico. Is it
Factoring facility? I think the Mexicans convince themselves that this was just gonna end up raising pay in their factories, so it was a concession they could make, but the corporate stuff. It's interesting to me right because, like the case against doing something like that is pre obvious, fried like it's,
cars are going to be made more expensive, need me not being Donald Trump or Republican, but a kind of like the weeny environmentalist like. I should think. That's good,
Donald Trump, hidden away to make cars more expensive without hurting american autoworkers. So that's it. That's a pretty good idea
this intellectual property stuff, by contrast, each a cop
these exactly what's dysfunctional about the trade negotiating power,
said, which is that instead of look
got it and saying like what would be good for like two blood, what you're typical Americans need of the trade relationship with Canada
it just says like what you some powerful american interest groups like what would they like the canadian government to do? And then we kind of believer
right, and this happens a lot. So like one of the big thing
in teepee p, is that, like a mirror,
has no domestic textile production, but some countries have like preferential access to the american Textile BAR
so then the Obama administration offered more countries to get that same preferential access, but in exchange they would have to adopt american strong drug protection.
and in many cases what we were asking for an teepee we're proposals that works
stronger than the administrations own Domestic proposed, because they will
bureaucratic ships passing in the night right. So, like eighty just was saying you s, intellectual property protection are too stringent, but the train office just like listen to what the lobbyists swan and tries to get it from foreign countries. So they were asking for protections that the Obama Ministration.
Maintained were tooth Strawn, but then when they presented their checklist to like journalists, it really is a big win. We got, but this
What I do want to know these intellectual property protection for one of the most loathed parts of tea BP and they are now in
new deal I mean something. A lotta people observed is Richard Hoss, whose ahead of the council for relations treated out that? U S, embassy egg is NAFTA, plus teepee, p, plus a few tweet.
like what they ve done. It and and Catherine Health Wash Impose had a good comic, roughly the same point that what they ve done is taken after they ve changed it very little but evil
I heard on some of the key piece structures across a couple different things, and it is more more than were mentioning here and one of the strange things about it is that it's not clear to me, which of Donald Trump problems is being solved here. This is not going to revitalize Marken manufacturing its. I can change our trade deficits in some inordinate way
it's the kind of thing that, like oh, you can kind of make a case for it. You can make a case against it. I really don't like intellectual property dimensions of s like I lean on the case against, but it should stop that much. I mean. I think that
thing that Donald Trump selves and this is being able to say he ended there
I guess not, it's like reminds me a lot actually of kind of the tree
Actor e of Obama CARE appeal where you had
No, they were not able to repeal bombing care. The individual mandate gets repealed and a few days later, president,
The saying we did it. We repealed Obama, carers and pulling comes out. I'm just looking over for another piece.
Working on finding that forty four percent of Republicans believe Donald Trump is repealed. Obamacare, like I think the what is
done here is that we don't have
after anymore. We have: U S, embassy, ay, and you can say like look. We did
thing and kind of a move on to whatever other you know things you want to move on to. So I agree like that policy
it does not seem very knew no more about. It does not seem to be that sweeping
it does seem like a new acronym. Unlike the ability to say like well, I said I'd get I've got rid of now
then get something better and like look I've done. That now mean, if you think of trade policy as a policy topic that is like primarily about narrow casting to a handful of upper midwestern swing. States like Trump has delivered. For? U S auto parts manufacturers right heavily clustered in Michigan and Ohio and he has delivered for? U S, dairy exporters heavily clustered in Wisconsin. So that's that's! Not nothing! Right, like the typical American, of course does not work in the dairy industry or the auto parts industry or live in a town.
that is dominated by dairy exports or Otto parts and like we are just not going to be impact it by this enable this is my question: is how can I get more expensive with more exploiter cotton? I thought it was going to, but actually we have this like incredible overproduction of dairy. I wish we had a good article about it. They like warehousing cheese and like to see
I excess milk, so basically we're gonna dump a little bit more of american excess, dairy and canadian
in a weird way, right, like the biggest impact of this on normal people, is going to be. The Canadians are gonna, get cheaper dairy products, but that was like a cordon clock concession that the canadian government made, but so like we are paying subsidies to American.
Farmers like cash subsidies, where's Canada, was subsidizing its farmers with trade restrictions so like now, Canadians will be able to drink the milk that american taxpayers are paying our dairy farmers
to extract from cows- and it's all a little perverse in-
of all of this right. There is some theory of like forging an anti chinese trade alliance which we live.
I said that theory. Sometimes what the Obama administration said teepee was about.
And other times not and so
It is much smaller than teepee and much less effective than teepee at doing that, because it includes a few countries, but it is more pointed in that regard right leg. It has a clause that basically forbids Mexico from making a free trade deal with China. It makes it harder to take chinese, auto parts, assemble them in Mexico and then send them to the? U S. So if you took us MECCA
but applied it to all the TB countries, then you would like really deliver on the overlapping parts of the trumpet Obama Trade Vision, which is that, like we need to somehow form a big black of countries to like
ticket to the Chinese, but that neither of them pulled that off. Let's take a break and then talk, but our white paper, the cat is a pad cast from near
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in all my paper, so silly like classic and be our working paper, Asshole College party, culture and sexual assault
but got enough. That's been in the news at all: it's my Jason, Lindo, Peters, Kaminski and Isaac Swenson. Basically, what it does is it. It looks a division, one football games which occur not like randomly but there's a lot of variation in when they have been, and then they correlate this with reports of rape with victims who are between.
The age of seventeen and twenty four, and they showed that there is a very large increases in the order of twenty eight percent in like college towns, where their team is
the game, and they also show that the increases larger for home games and for away games at the increases largest when the underdog wins right and, above all, a bunch of other things right,
The increases larger for prominent games like rivalry Graham's on then than for now
Ivory games, its larger first schools of prominent teams,
they have a lot of things for they show like in a
games it like it, it's only a significant increase if he evaluating was televised.
Right, I mean all of them add up like situations that would lead one to drink. More
live Romanian, read in that. That's what they're trying to say when it is not that the football games are causing rest with that. If you look at it right that it's like, if there's
a way game that isn't on tv, then people aren't gonna,
other around to watch the game and drink because there's no place to watch it, but if you can watch the game,
and there's an upset win and it's like a big night like then you might drink heavily rent
I'm trying to ways be like more cautious about just like a running with single study things. I was
frustrated, since this isn't a brand new paper. I was like
man. I wish there was like a great, robust debate about this. Finding with some people calling into question and others as
dating it, but the sort of isn't but like it
Seems like a really big deal by ended, you say so that the actual finding
to be clear. I say we find significant, significant, robust evidence that football game days increase reports of rape victimization among seventeen to twenty four year old women by twenty eight percent
home games, increase reports by forty one percent away games. Fifteen percent.
those are some really big startling numbers that our night
Usually what we talk about when we talk about college football, I think
a lot of the mechanisms here and again, like I like mad. I wish there were more research,
space or a lot of this, and I think they are pretty cautious in their region.
to say you know what we're working with a lot of different factors, you know we're using these different factors about games, as proxies for how much drinking there might be going on, but those
some likes startlingly large increases
Thank you. If you're running a division, one school with a football team like, though, should
are you things as a college administrator that you are thinking about and
worried about and
I think it's really unfortunate that unit that this could be something that is happening as schools get back in
I that we're just not really looking at this point, because it I mean it's kind of a downer to think about the results of sexual assault. As part of this like
fine college tradition of Wang Football, but it seems
senator it's a big problem, what the output,
How does it these are reports guys the thing there measuring hears reports, so the total
what is implied by this, given that these only about
small minority of sexual assaults actually end in a report is that the total increase in sexual is very very high. I mean all of its a higher percentage of total than it is percentage of reports.
We were talking about very big increases in non human suffering, makes you do a sally. I thought unusual thing like look at their best.
the social cost of rape- and I thought that was very eyes odd. It's not how I would prefer to frame this, but but both those notable. I want to know something. I thought it had a good literature view around
actual salt prevalence and colleges in general, we could do a whole weeds on those studies rate the the sort of the one in five numbers and and and other things, and what those numbers imply and like how people get to them, but it offered a bunch of the other studies. Have people on here about that often I did you sinking into.
of calibrating it writes in terms of the most serious forms of sexual assault. Thirteen point: five percent of
in your undergraduate females and two point: nine percent of senior undergraduate males, pretty
supporting the aid. You survey reported they'd, experienced non consensual,
penetration involving physical force or incapacitation since in rolling in college. She talking about being a thirteen, a half prison,
women, three percent of men by their final year of College, saying that they had non consensual penetration
big number and, unlike some other studies, where you're giving people what is illegal, definite,
of sexual solvents rethink. Has any of us ever happen? You, if, like oh yeah, has whether they themselves have quoted what's happened. Them is
salt. Mrs narrowing, in on the thing that I think everybody understands of a sexual assault- and those are- I just want to say, like scary numbers- I mean I don't but too fine a point on it, but like
the positive caused mechanism. Here is booze, not football,
which I think is important, because
I mean, I don't know how. How was it washing university, but my way collection of college is that, though, for the vast majority of college students, it is illegal to drink alcohol, beverages that college administrators were not
taking it that way, right that it was in fact understood that sort of, like one of the privileges of going to a nice, well regarded college as it there's a kind of on campus safe zone from ordinary legal matters. Right, and this is an example like I had a vague idea in college and I was out at a local bar and ran into a dean. You know in the administration who I happen to know personally. Sophie
ask me was aware that I was not twenty one and I got in like trouble over it in the sense that he made me get rid of the fake idea, but I was not by punished in any way
right just as some times a House party or some antics in the dorm room, would get busted up by the tea aser or something as it had gotten out of hand. But there was no like good faith effort to like make sure that under age, kid
we're, not drinking on campus and like it would have been considered. I think, like border
wine insane further
did you like it wasn't even under consideration like. Should we try to actually make it be the case that nobody under the age of twenty one is drinking alcohol, mother student
Here was like not a subject that was up for discussion and to start where you started that thought letting it be a mistake to read. This is a paper about. You know: division, one that fall like it. It's a paper like I did not go to school with division, one football. I went to a division three school, where nobody can
at all about football, and there was still a lot of drinking, unlike you probably could not run this same study that, like you just sooner or later instrument, we just didn't, have the so. Maybe you know we'd have these like spikes and drinking around football games. That does not mean there is very prevalent alcohol use, I think, would be a mistake to read. This is a paper that says the thing we need to do is just get rid of division. One football
That's going on here is drinking and have
during Gang and Youtube students, myself included they coming into a situation where they had never drink before, where there suddenly copious them
of alcohol available like that leads to somebody's really problematic situation there and I think, like to be explicit. A little bit.
about what we do, and here like we pick this paper because
bears. On this conversation, we are having not
Cavanaugh, specifically right this paper doesn't tell you anything about what happened during bread Cabinet, Christine Bossy Forward and nineteen. Eighty two, eighty three, but there is this
precision I think, has emerged out of it about what why
and to some degree what is the culture around consent, drinking
sexual assault, all of it, and you know what I think this paper is saying is that
We want some of all understand the dynamics, the create like an ecosystem like a book, rape, culture right, unlike an ear
system of sexual assault. We understand that alcohol is a big part of that that the kind of party culture that surrounds college athletics is part of that, and we don't do a lot about it
but it's not because we don't know it's not because we don't have information and in the future it would be good if a lot fewer people had the experience Christine buzzing,
were dead and lick, obviously, a lot that is teaching men about consent and in making sure people understand that these kinds of things, what will genuinely be punished and bold change their futures right that it won't just be forgotten right. That, I think, is one of the things that people even quite know how to discuss in this whole cabinet thing, but were undergoing a period of culture,
job in treating the stuff. I seriously that's what me to is and, like part of the reason, that's important is the message it sends to the young men now, but it's also, you know, there's a question of like how much drinking should there be a month.
He hung teenagers and it matters re like these people at different points, like you know that there were talk about in this, but but but also who were in high school college today there there is,
situations in which there is some amount of either parental control or administrator
troll and you know we know a lot about the conditions seem due to lead to a lot more sexual assault, and there are things we can do about those conditions,
and I would also note I mean this is relevant. I've I've posted this this chart a couple times but like the prevalence of teen drinking, has fallen quite a lot since sincerely night
Ladys, but it also shows that, like there are
ways to move
the needle on this? That are not like. Maybe twenty three prohibition right,
right, went over football or he right or like there isn't any football it all right, but due to take seriously the fact that every single thing I want to say is that I have seen some online discussions about this report will be like. Well, you know alcohol. Does it make people into rapists sore like it
unlike that's true right, who thought it doesnt excuse,
like yourself responsible for what you do, but this
everything else fairly. We understand the ride like there's a reason why it's illegal to drive but you're drunk right, like it impairs your decisionmaking and your functioning, unlike that's just true across the board. Sexual assault is one of many things that can go awry when people are very
toxic, aided and like it's not good, and it is good that we have, through the specific
the mechanism of focusing on drunk driving like wound, up cutting down and excessive alcohol consumption a great deal, but I think that people actually under estimate how irrelevant it is like a wider range of behaviors. You know if I think about myself, it's like ninety five percent of like the stupidest things that I've ever done in my life. It's like because I
drinking you now that account. I mean it's part of the reason I find his leg in dignity and slippery ass around this drinking question, so
troubling. Like keep literally said at one point that, like we know, he must not have been like hitting the sauce that hard, because he got into Eu Law School and was like on a basketball team and like that's ridiculous, you know
like an anybody's based part of how this problem arises. Reining in its colleges will tell themselves like look. These are good kids. They had really highest t scores like you have to work hard to get to Yale, and that is all true like they are smart people and they work hard and they have good as eighty scores but like if you give them a hundred kegs or bust like to getting get into bad shit.
In other words, ok now have so the weeds. I won't think our engineer, Griffin Tanner. I thank all of you for listening and make sure to check out our first weeds, mid term special coming out on Wednesday
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