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but I really out of a job in a rambling intruder, rambling to be the from that more Mr Ramsay was
Carefully, we are a group of individuals, they represent a small foreign faction. We respect your business, but not the country that it serves at this time we have your daughter in our possession. She is safe and unharmed And if you want her to see ninety ninety seven, you must follow our structures to the letter You will withdraw one hundred and eight: teens thousand dollars from your account. Hundred thousand dollars will be in one hundred dollar bills and remaining Ten thousand and twenty dollar bills I am sure that you bring an adequate size attaching to the bank. When you get home, you will put the money. in a brown paper, Beth we'll call you between eight,
in ten a m tomorrow to instruct you on delivery, the delivery will be exhausted. So I advise you to be rested monitor you getting them money early? We might call, you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence an earlier pick up of your daughter any deviation of my instructions will result in the immediate execution of your daughter You will also be denied. Her remains for proper burial, two gentlemen watching over your daughter do not particularly liked you advise you to not provoke that speaking to anyone, about your situation, such as police, fbi, etc,
overall in your daughter beings, he headed. If we catch you, talking to a stray dogs. She dies if you will or bank authorities, she dies. The money is in any way marked or tampered with she dies. You we'll be scan for electronic devices and, if any are found, she dies can try to deceive us but be warned that we are familiar with law enforcement countermeasures intact, You stand a ninety nine percent chance killing your daughter. If you I too am smartest fall. Our instructions, and you stand a one hundred percent chance of getting her back you and your family or undercut. in scrutiny as well as the authorities don't try to grow brain John you're, not the only
that cat around so dont think that killing will be difficult Don't underestimate us john use their goods other common sense of yours. It's up to you now. John victory test b, t see Ok, most people use the phrase ransom. Note. I'm gonna call this ransom letter, because, as you just heard, it is long most ransom notes are short. We have your daughter, we want five hundred thousand dollars do not involve the police, we will contact you. This ransom letter is too half pages long written on your standard run of the mill eight and a half by eleven and three quarters inch paper now. What you're going to here is the captain, and I tear, through this ransom letter, you're going to get
opinions on different pieces of this letter, as well as the instructions given, John ramsay on how to get his daughter back our opinions. Gonna, be a combination of our personal opinions plus and for should that we ve collected from other sources along the way who have screwed. Is this same: ransom bladder I'll start as off captain with this up at the top of the letter at the beginning. In the letter there is this great website out there that's called statement. Analysis doc Ok. So some of our thoughts or some of the things that we mention here will include their thoughts as well. They are a great website because they analyzed these types of
ransom letters as well as nine one one calls in they have experienced doing this you and I well. We got a little bit of experience ourselves doing this, as we ve been doing it now for several years, but statement analysis dot com. They stay as well as a couple the books that I've read on this case, the first line. That they kind of question is the we are a group of individuals and they point to this, because a lot of people says this letter as a whole. Just doesn't make sense. Right- and one thing that I want to keep in mind here- and we kind of you know did a little running around in our discussion last week about this case, but I think what very important in they job in a ramsay case, to keep in mind when Looking at each one of these items as we are going to do, I think you need to stay flu, and you need to stay in the moment of
it's going on with the case. You know we were talking, bout, the police showing up and how they didn't secure the scene- and you know people would point out they don't even know if it is a crime, if a crime took place, why should they secure it again? I believe that you want to see fluid in that moment when you show up. You have indicators pointing toward a kidnapping for ransom, and so therefore it is a crime scene so obviously we do know some things that are going to come to light. We can look at those. as much as we want, but in the moment keep him keep in mind in the moment. Stay fluid as we go through this statement. Analysis
dot com, as well as several other sources again points out that the letter as a whole does not make sense in they specifically reference. The line of we are a group of individuals pointing out what exactly does that mean? What does the writer of this letter mean because every group is comprised of individuals? I think it's a lie that we are a group of individuals. You had to say we are a group, that's true. The other thing to that John Douglas would point out in his experience with random letters. Is that often the the kidnapper the authority in the situation there ones that are going to call the shots there, though is demanding the ransom you're going to do this or that or this or that is going to happen or not going to happen, and he points out in his experience that often a you want to.
perceive a larger threat than what is actually going on, because you, as the kidnapper, really only knows what everything that's going on the victims. Don't know everything that's going on they only know what you choose to tell them in your letter right so John Douglas would point out pay. We are a group of individuals. We are a group if he was in fact just one person the kidnapped in and wrote this letter. Then that makes sense to him because they would want to present themselves as a larger than life. A larger threat there bigger your scarier, it's not just one person. It's a group by the evidence is followed back. We represent a small foreign faction. I think just that term is to back up the idea of a group of individuals. The small foreign faction makes
seem like something bigger than when you get to. We respect your business, but not the we respect your business, but not the country that it serves yeah again, I think that's to back up the small foreign since the sounds very movie liked me yeah my thoughts here. They represent a small foreign faction. The use of the word small doesn't make sense to most because now It is the opposite where you say we are a group you trying to make yourself seem bigger. The thing see more real, bigger now, smallest taking that down a notch foreign faction, sound scary, sound scary to me, but it's. Why just those words together. The use of the word foreign sounds odd, even if they would be foreigners to us, they live They wouldn't call themselves foreigners, they would say something like
We are the islamic jihad right. They call themselves a small foreign fashion. I it was cereal cyril wax block where he states, even a small,
well, foreign faction would not call themselves a small foreign faction, it's just a weird weird statement, yeah, but I think right away. It's it's establishing the mindset. You know this individual thinks that they're going to outsmart people with this nonsense- and I think the biggest thing in the letter to point to that. It's not a group of individuals is when he changes the narrative and I'm gonna say he, but when he says I will call you, I will call you between eight and ten. A m nam jumping some lines there, but I think that goes back to a group of individuals. The we turns to I correct and to me that's proof that there was never a wii. That's like a freudian slip.
Yeah! That's that's interesting because at first analysis for me what my thought was if he sang- and I agree with- you- will continue to say he. If he is saying we are a group- and these men have your daughter right, you follow my instructions, maybe he's the leader of this group, maybe he's the brains, the mastermind behind this whole operation and he's the one that's going to be giving the instructions. What makes at not work that theory not work is, as you just pointed out, that it starts with we and ends with eyes. does change along the way yeah. I think somebody would argue well because he's not with the other two individuals, so that's may be wide changes to. I will Are you because they want to be with your daughter, but that's too much information. It's almost like stadium, like once. He goes to I again if there is a group, while there
with your daughter, they'll, be monitoring you, I'm not gonna, be with your daughter, the very strange, but I think also we can start by looking at this. No- and I think it's pretty clear to most people that it starts off a little sloppy here and gets nicer As we go with the handwriting yeah, the penmanship yeah not lot nicer bottle of it nicer I wonder, okay, so there's so much to get into one where did this individual right, the no? We we do know that the paper this came from a pad inside the ramses home tat night. There was a pen
that was found in their home that they believe was the pin for the no. So this could go multiple ways: did the person possibly steal the pad right? The note. I, then bring it back. My issue with that idea would be both yeah. You wrote the note, but why would he bring back the pad doesn't make sense to me, but the note seems creased which to me: why would you crease a nope if you're writing it in the kitchen or where the pad would be and then you're just transferring it over to the? steps. Why creasy that all decreases very weird to me as well, I'm I'm with you that I've never thought of The idea of
somebody writing the letter elsewhere and then returning to the scene, not that that's impossible. Anything in this case, in particular anything seems to be possible. The creases odd, because wooden your objective, your goal as the kidnapper who wants a answer now. There's people they're gone well, we know we know this and we know that again. I'm staying fluid in the moment and analyzing this take item. This is evidence as it is in the moment. If we to believe the ransom letter. The goal of, though the author of this letter would be for the parents of this girl to find the letter as soon as possible. Why we know that, because of instruction given in the latter, do not contact the authorities if data for their daughter missing before they fight this latter day Very well screw up that horns.
ruction by not knowing any better in calling the authorities, our daughters missing right, found the letter. Yet why creasy patsy? amply says she finds it on the spiral staircase and its three pages as laid out side by side So we know that at some point the letter was not to be concealed. It was to be obvious to be found by the parents and for the sake of not contacting the authorities, will tell you what why don't we try to start at the at the top of the letter does work our way through. And try to hit each thing along the way. I think to be easier for us play along home. The letter starts off addressed to MR rams not to John Ramsay, not to john and patsy, not to the parents, but two straight up, Mr Ramsay, which I find to be interesting for several different reasons. It's a choice.
that the author is making its a choice. To only address this. To MR ramsay lot of these ransom notes that we ve seen in the ass. They don't even need to address it to anyone. The line We have your daughter, clarifies exam Hu, the letter was intended for rain, so, was a choice to address it to mister Ramsay. Now one thing that a lot of the tv shows and documentaries point out. In this case the next line is listened carefully and they all to that being weird, because this is a letter. It's not a speech it's not somebody shouting threats at somebody or calling on the phone. This is a letter you're reading the words, the word say: listen carefully, you listen, you're reading, I get it that's. seemed weird to me. I I've he's taken. That is just like I'm
the authority listened carefully. Here we go yeah. I think it's a little strange elma sounds like something you'd say on the phone, calling them listen carefully. I have your daughter yeah, but I also think is it that big of a deal probably not? But Also? I wonder if that points in any direction on where they got this possible idea to kidnap a girl in the first place all right. Then we have the letter. We respect your business. Ok, we have your daughter, one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars or she dies, but, oh by the way, Mr Ramsay, here's a man a compliment. We respect your business right shows that they almost care about Mister Adams, yet some on level, and some people have pointed out that if patsy ramsay was the author of the rand letter that she may have choice,
to mention this- to create some kind of distance between johns company and the investigation. Brian, regardless the writer is aware of John ramses business per the letter and that he is successful right if the right is interested in a ransom. They are targeting many believe to be a weird amount of money, one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars in cash at the ready, according to Steve Tommy. This book. John bernay inside the Ramsay murder investigation from a leading detect on the case. The author ro, we d, o letters d, o with the d o crossed out. We we do respect your business deck detective thomas takes that mean either. We do respect your business or the author was starting to write out. We don't respect your business
then change their mind. Mid sentence this this year The question as it goes to motive right because. at this moment in the investigation looking at this letter, this is so to be laying out the motive for what is going on here, and it would point out that author is, if thomas is right, they were starting to right. Don't we don't respect your business? Read it! The author is undecided if they respect ramses business up into the point of writing that sent since it is an intruder who wrote the letter. It just wait. You broke into this man's hole and, according to the letter, to kidnap, a small child and threaten the parents with a beheading of the child, yet you're under.
Cited on how you feel about johns business here. But I also think to me this point says some a copy. In a letter my gut feeling says this letter was composed somewhere else and they thought to be be real smart about this and get away with it. So therefore, I went to write the letter inside the house. How use a pin from inside the house. I used a paper from inside the house. Brain the letter that I wrote with me and it might have stated we do respect your your business, but then messed up and then realize, while you can, this put. We respect your business that works too, but there's Obviously there is a edit there, but I, but I I believe the person is reading off there. better and maybe there's not a light in the house and so again also think one of the reasons why slop area than beginning,
Why do people when they start writing it? It's a little slop ear, but I also think it slop here, because this individual is now wear gloves. right now. I think you know gloves and could be very nervous, bright. And maybe the nerves are easing up, as they continue to right eye I am with the steve thomas here on his thoughts about believer that the writer was intending to right. The word don't wait, we don't or we do not respect your business because we do respect your business we respect your business, is the same sentence and it's not necessary to cross out do in that. In that moment, that seems where now the writer goes on to say we respect your business, but not the country that has served. So Are we to believe that job in a was kidnapped and then murdered, because someone has a hatred? for the united states, most people,
would agree. This crime is not an international incident, so it's we are to put that in their that to play that toward motive, would you know maybe there's many factors based in two, why you are going to leave this latter but include we'd. You know that the that we don't respect the country that it serves that your business serves. It just seems of a very strange thing. I think this is pointing out to what you say: it's not a group, it's not a small foreign faction, but We mention some distaste, her or hatred for the united states in that same letter it it's there to its purposely put their to confirm that we are,
the foreign entity right right again, I think it's as simple as I'm gone through some of these things and to try to throw you off the scent of who I really am, but I think the fact that they sit there and say. While we respect your business, that's it they made that therefore their showing some kind of concern for Mr Ramsay later on. They show some concern for him when they say be rested, consult the delivery will be exhausting. I advise you to be rested. We would not put that if you do care about the person on some level. This is another example of people say well that shows up. Patsy could wrote the no because sheikh the writer keep showing affection, almost four drawn on some level captain. I respect your talent, but not the garage that it serves.
alright deal with that get out of my garage. Well, as you pointed out The writer miss spells to vary common words, one of them being this and the other possession how the writer then correctly spells the words deviation and tat shea, even including the accent on the word attache. I believe that the writer purposely misspelled those two words to try to make it look like an uneducated person or again a foreign person, this no yeah like people point that to be passing ramsay and the idea that ok, words. now right, there's no we're trying to discuss as our handwriting, so we make it a little more sloppy of beginning that's hard to keep up over two and half pages. So that's why the sloppiness goes away, but
so at first when all let me misspell a couple of things to throw him off the scent and then they kind of forgot about that, because I don't think there's another misspelling for the next page and a half as you point captain both of the misspellings occur when there is a double ass, double letter s situation, I think maybe this could be a tell almost like a signature or fingerprint if, in fact, this was not up right. I want everyone to just stop and think for a minute. Do you have a couple of words that, for whatever reason your brains seems to jumble up the letters and those words or or or screw up the spelling of those words, regardless of how then we're how many times you look. The word up have an auto corrected or ask somebody for the spelling captain. Did you think of any words that that that you have trouble with peace pony kip,
hip hop anonymous. Damn you you give him all the easy once all the whole english language is very difficult for me. Despite incorrect. I wonder again, like you said, is it tell, or is it on purpose now on purpose? To spell it wrong, but is the author trying to give us a hint of who it is I am making these mistakes so the reason why I say that it could be a signature or almost like a fingerprint for the author of the letter would be is if this person always miss spells these two words. when is it somebody would be aware of that, like for me, I know the vacuum inconvenient. those two words I like I'm, never going dispel them correctly? The double you for years always screwed me up. I think I've straight actually take that back. I think I've straightened out my vacuum situation,
but for whatever reason, convenient is the most, inconvenient word for me, because I always want to put the in a weird spot. I didn't I will never get it right, but anybody that I have corresponded with many times may know that that I always have trouble with that work, and then they could think of. Oh nick, the extra crispy colonel wrote this ransom letter because he jumbled up there I and convenient yeah, I don't know, I had put vacuum in a ransom note, but it's your ransom note. So if your party, I did what I didn't write a ransom note. I just ass everybody to think of some, let it some words that that they always have trouble with why I wanted to mention that we have comments, and here so we have some kind of knowledge of writing.
We also have the big one to me: is your right A lot of people get that wrong. There's different yours right, yeah of tom I had, I think all the yours are correct. Yeah. I didn't look at that, so I'm guessing that they are- and I know, allowed people rising they're gone ira, bigots those right, nope nope that's right and one number one pet peace I have on facebook is when people get their yours wrong. So I in a small office years ago, all foreign facts in office. Yet- and I remember there was a conversation that needed to be had if that's even correct, grammar prowling, but There was a conversation that took place in a meeting where they addressed the office as a whole, probably not to. Embarrass one or two people in particular, but that was the
the exact conversation that they had to pass down that needed a trickle down to some of employees, your yours, are always wrong in in your business letters and your emails in this that, in the other thing and it's a reflection of this company, they You don't know how to you dont know proper grammar right psych when it's there and there all those like whether in whether those drive me nuts, when people get among, will join us after the beer break when we discuss math If you had the chance be brought back to life hundreds of years in the future. Would you take it wonderings newest podcast frozen head hosting
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cheers cheers that you captain, as I raise a glass of christmas bomb too. thousand in nineteen by the awesome folks, a prairie, artisan ales. This is an imperial style. Thirteen percent, a baby The rag great four out of five bottle caps cheers everyone, as we continue on the next portion of our ransom letter it states at this time We have your daughter in our possession. She is safe and unharmed, and if you- her to see ninety ninety seven. You must follow our instructions to the letter, so the writer tells us we have your daughter in our possession. Most people would agree the short way to say something is the best way to state. especially in a ransom letter, a true kidnapper, would have said we have your daughter. The word in our possession are simply understood. And unnecessary and really
just in those couple of lines. There seems to be several extra and unnecessary words next, You will withdraw one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars from your count. One in thousand dollars will be in one hundred dollar bills and the remaining Two thousand and twenty dollar bills make sure that you bring an adequate size attache to the bank. the amount of one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars. This all things considered is a relatively small amount of money based off of the ramses wealth or perceived and john ramses company is very well, they just did a billion an annual sales. This was made public. We discuss the news articles, it came out regarding this. Johns net worth and ninety ninety six was in the millions and when you agree, a nice round number would be more typical. There
one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars, so there should be a reason why the writer chose one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars, and even John ramsay agrees that number one eighteen is could be significant to the killer. Yap couple things here: one that we believe the writer on what their stating I'm calling you. We have two people that have your daughter, so we at least have three individuals. So now you have to split that three ways so we think it was one person now about what I'm saying if we believe that all the letter yeah where's his right, you men, watching over your daughter, yeah three days, were a minimum three that makes the amount, even lower every bays gonna get roughly about forty grand. What's that going to do, for you write it, it's not worth the risk.
Of of the amount of prison time that your signing yourself up for if you get caught right, so not a large amount, but that again goes back to the idea that were pride deal with one individual and not to or again something that is falsifying. Now ransom out to cover up a martyr- and one thing that's been pointed out many many times over the years. In fact, it has pointed out very early on in the investigation and the public's investing asian into the ramses. Let's say was it: the amount may have been significant because John ramses christmas bonus or annual bonus for ninety? Ninety six was right around the same dollar amount them. There is actually two things one his same dollar roughly four, the bonus, and I wonder if this is all
oh kind of a tip of the hat to why I'm asking for this amount, because I know you got it as a bonus. So therefore it will be easy for you to give to me. I know it's available, possibly also think it leads people to believe that whoever wrote this no. It's not covering up inside job that it's it's basically stating. I know your bonus. You know me wrought by also think that and a smart, I'm gonna make it seem like where this big organization box with a small foreign fashion, but where a group of people group of individuals- and if you just do what we say, thus this amount that we know is pretty small to you. This will be done in over with, and I almost think that they take this amount.
because they knew it would be available and that possibly because of johns wealth that they'll just go, get the money and not contact the authorities. And the interesting thing here too, as we have Steve Thomas who points out that look, that amount could be important because it could be indicative of his annual bonus that here in that year, like you pointed out, if somebody else knows that if somebody that wants to stand to gain some money from this whole situation. They know that that money could be readily available, rather quickly, This is money that this dude can actually get his hands on. We all see people drive fancy cars live in big fancy, mansions that doesn't necessarily mean that they can get ahold of any cash, then might be up to date and that up to date to their eyeball,
and have no real cat. Snow, real, liquid money or whatever to pay such a ransom, stinky hard cash, and then you have to think about the banking system hundred eight, one thousand for somebody, that's a multimillionaire. They can go in there and get that money, and one transaction right. If you make the amount too high, half a million or a mil million. That's going to take some time again, the more time that this person has to process this, the more likely they are going to go well. Ah, we have to contact authorities and so again it becomes this thing where it's like is this a small amount, because there is gonna try to get a look? I don't think the money as the main purpose for any of this right, but but saying fluid in the situation right. We discuss it, but this is some evidence that points to that
possibly patsy, ramsay rights, the note or John ramsay, your together. They constructed this letter yeah again yeah and I think if they wrote this note together, that would makes some sense also make some sense on why we have some scratch out marks. I No, don't do that. I mean, let's just get into the handwriting analysis, John. They kind of ruled out as being not the author of it. That doesn't mean he didn't help her right it, but it seems, like his hand, writing samples don't match at all, like on a scale of one to ten he's a zero, but as far as patsy rooms, he goes she's on the lois. Scale of matching handwriting samples, she's, a very low spectrum of that, unlike a one to ten, she said I got maybe a too but cannot be cleared, can Clear cannot be ruled out and what's we're
her too, as it seems like there's speculation that she actually can write with both hands: amby dexterous yeah. So it's like. That's it that's a word I wanna put into a ransom. No, I can drink beer with both hands very talented, individual. So here's what's weird about they amount to me is this is just like everything else, and I dont know if we mention this last week captain, but I know we ve talked about this in our personal conversations, are personal talks about the job in a ramsay case, is that even the sources you go to to try to find the truth to try to sift through all the bullshit bullshit. and just get to the truth, darted bullshit and the real hard core evidence. The problem with that, or even the sources, even the good ones, even p that you and I agree that we respect they all seem to have an axe to grind they in it. So you don't know
if you're getting the one hundred percent- honest god's truth. So the public per cent for a long time was, did well. It had be John ramsay or patsy ramsay. That wrote the letter. There wrote the ransom letter because They would be the only ones that would come up with this random amount of one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars. They would be aware of that, because that amount was on their brains because of the bonus that he had recently received. Then you have the others, their ramsay supporters that will say No, you would have anybody. There could be several people at his company. That would be aware of that amount. There could be people at his bank. That would be aware And I'm out and the ramseys were not particularly neat freaks. And they ve had a lot of guess. They they always are having guest over to their home. There are people that could have worked at their home or could have been there as a guest and could have seen this information
lying about somewhere in the ramsay home and came up with that amount so I also greatly strong argument for either. In my opinion, I also question how braggadocio patsy ramsay was, and is it possible that she was telling people at christmas party all we'll drink up. You know uncle John got a big bonus or whatever. I think that the past quality as well, and that there was a lot of people in and out of that house, like you said and and all it would take, would be somebody telling somebody that told somebody that told somebody, but this
Also amount goes to, and I don't want to overlook this too much. Mr Merrick, I believe his name is. There was a guy that was fired, Jeff, Merrick yeah, a guy that eventually, you know John ramsey said hey. This is somebody that we should look into he's making threats and basically his pay was that the argument that they had was you know around this dollar amount, so he was looked into because of these threats and because John could also prove that this dollar amount was pretty much what they're arguing over. So he was looked into and his wife was looked into now on the high end of the spectrum. I think we talked about him before merriment, Mr Merriman hm which he was, I think tested say. I think patsy ramsey wrote the note four times. I think she was tested four times again, the more and more samples that she gives you now
comparing notes. Note you compare note too for notes. and that's what led us to the bottom of the barrel that she possibly wrote it. this guy merriman. He was, he actually wrote the no, I believe, seven times and they actually put him on the higher spectrum. I on a scale of one to ten he's, maybe eight or nine. He hit more markers yeah if, if they're looking for nineteen different markers to index This is the author of the letter. He's heading more. Those markers than patsy rambling, YAP by ten times slave when they came back and wanted him to write another sample, he said. Look I have road enough to fill the library of congress if you, I made a right anything more come back with handcuffs. This no doesn't make a lot of sense at all. And this amount doesn't make a lot of sense. But I know that John Douglas
leave. Another fbi agent profiles have looked at this amount and looked at the snow and thought this kind of points to a male in their late teens, maybe early twenties, because again, because amount would be significant yeah and I always younger person, but I also think it makes a lot of sense, and these guys are experts, I mean maybe not as much as I am, but they are experts, but I also then question Is there somebody else that this is a lot of? This is a bigger amount to wear a hundred, and eighteen thousand might not seem like enough of a reason to kidnap somebody. But again I don't think that's a wreath. I think this is kind of a icing on the cake and again why not pick a smaller amount just to get it done in over with well even one hundred and eighteen thousand hours as a whole lot of rolling papers. So here's the
I do want to point out Steve thomas. His book is fantastic, regardless of you agree with his opinions and theories on the case, I highly recommend everybody pick that book up and check it out. There's a lot of information in their does. He have an axe to grind everybody that we will name. I can speak for the captain, but My belief is everyone that we name in this seems to have an axe to grind, but that's it gets ego. He states well and I, but I believe, with Steve thomas He firmly believes he's right. He has some things that to him point out to him that he is right and he's just he's just trying to push us out to the public and sales This is what I believe happened and why so, I'm fine with with hearing his opinion. One thing states about this one hundred and eighteen thousand dollar amount. This one thing that is: I've not seen
port it anywhere else. I want to make sure I bring it up here before we move on. He states that There was some notes there. He found and John ramses personal old. I don't have. It was a journal or personal that John Ramsay made about his personal finances. and the number one hundred and eighteen thousand was significant as it was referenced within those notes. Now I dont know if that was Liabilities are liquid or why, but it was. It was significant according to Steve thomas in those notes, and so he's pointing out forget about the bonus, because a lot of people could have known about that right. This could be a number that certain significant to John because of his personal financial notes that that we found in his office
that's interesting, but then we also have a few other interesting takes on this. One thing that's been pointed out many many times, and I just have such a big issue. With this whole. They look this case, this investigation is salacious enough without coming up with hollowing stories to add on top of it, but there has always been the speculation out there throughout the years that one hundred and eighteen is significant because it references som one. Eighteen from the bible- and family bible inside the ramsay home was turned to solve one eighteen, which discusses child sacrifice ramses or sadness right. Sorry that just doesn't make any damn sense. It doesn't add up number one.
And number two on hold on. If you're going to sacrifice one of your kids or you, don't you pick the ugly one? I I don't know the I don't know the first thing about child sacrifice or the or sacrifice my own child, but one will point out. Is the law enforcement stated? First of all, The family bible was not turn to some one, eighteen that never pass and they never found that to be the case. It wasn't marked it wasn't book barked, som, one eighteen and seem to hold any significance to this case for the ramses. On top of that read the bible saw money. Eighteen doesn't discuss child sacrificed, so it's it's just a theory- that's all kinds of wrong. It's interesting. It would make for a good movie, you of your put together good horse like that, would be something of interest, but tat that doesn't seem to meaning they. Now I like what john Douglas states about the
of one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars. He states that you know that if you were to convert that money to another currency douglas points out that act Simon, ninety, ninety six one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars, roughly translates, do. A million pesos see so either pointing out again. as a little wink wink hint situation that this could be a foreign entity or foreign person or he also states. You know it could be somebody that was younger and looking to flee area after receiving the money and then hide out mexico. So it's it saying that there are several different reasons:
for the possibility of this. This odd amount, and again John ramsay himself, agrees that the the number is probably significant to the killer. Now the phrase I actually should say this captain just before moving on also like other things with this case, it could have no significance at all. It could just be one of those weird things: that's the amount that some crazy psycho on the spot came up with an that's all you know, and that's all it means is totally a coincidence. Then we have the phrase your account in the letter. This is interesting. The author could have just said the bank, You know you get the money from the bank by and not your account. Also. This is implying that the kidnapper knows it there's that dollar amount. At least and John Ramses account. Then, if patsy ramsay was the author, then we can see how
and targeting the note toward her husband, she would use the phrase your account verses, my account. Brain make. You know, make sure that you bring inadequate size attaching to the bank. Most kidnappers or not. going to remind you to bring an adequate size case to hold the money plus. This has got to be a rather uncommon word. I can think of only a handful of times other than the ramsay case. Where I have even heard the word. attache used or seen it on a piece of paper. I again this to me points I made him with it. We got look at intelligence level and I would say this individual riding the know, whether its patsy or somebody else. We know as he has a higher education, if it's not patsy it somewhere else with higher education, because I just don't think that they would even try to use that word,
then the suggesting that you be well rest. It I'm surprised they didn't write, eat oatmeal for breakfast you're going to need your strength it. The kidnappers frankly, doesn't give a shit. If you're well rested right, we're not you know, don't care about your feelings or about your your health, your physical, well being they want their money, but again this could be the maturity this could be. somebody cordon dumb shit from a moon dressing. This could be yet. This could be patsy, not understanding how to be as a a as maybe as she should, or this Some may that's actually close to the Ramsay family that it. This is like you're writing too much you're giving too much away, and I am, I think, a lot of people believe that little tells like this point too, that if some of that,
the family, the word attache was written with an accent placed over the letter e mail people in the: u s do not use this special character. It may have been used because the rider wanted the authorities to believe job in a was kidnapped by a foreign fat. all right, the right or may have used it because he or she is educated. The other thing we have to make taken to consideration is that job unease name. Was written with an accent. Patsy Ramsay was accustomed to you. using the accent when writing her daughters, nay, yes, who also wanted her daughters named sound french right, so
you will withdraw one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars from your account. One hundred thousand will be in one hundred dollar bills in the remaining eighteen thousand and twenty dollar bills make sure that you bring an adequate size and tashi to the bank. When you get home, you will put the money in a brown paper bag. I will call you between eight and ten, a m tomorrow to instruct you on delivery. The delivery will be exhausting, so I advise you to be rested. if we monitor you getting the money early, we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence an earlier pick up of your daughter note, the author ro delivery of daughter, if you see this on, but if you go and look up the actual paper right, the author ro delay ray of your daughter, crossed out delivery and wrote pick up of your daughter, so it reads mistakes and all
we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence in earlier delivery, pick up of your daughter, the right I started to say that upon receiving the money, he they would deliver job in aid to the parents, then realising that a kidnapper would not deliver the hostage but would tell the family where she could be found. Therefore he changed it to pick up. It's will that a a well thought out kidnapper would make This mistake. It's a strong indication that, though the writer was not inexperienced criminal yeah, which makes this case even more baffling, because that no makes a lot more sense of it. If its path right in the note and really bad at writing, ransom out to cover it up, and this is one of the points where she goes and enhance right,
She was kind commonly known to use that phrase and I believe, even burke uses that phrase when he, when he's question by authorities, but again as is immaturity, he as this sunday, that's just trying to throw people off the sad, but also we might do this earlier. Instead of the car. I wonder if your viewing patsy as the author is this setting up for them to change the plans on the police of they have to But I also think that, depending on when you wrote this note and in in what manner you did, this would be kind of a weird thing to kind of come up with off the top of your head yeah, let's there's a lot to really dive into in this couple sentences. I believe so,
where's the word monitor implies a continual surveillance, this is further emphasised when the writer states, You and your family are under contents, constant scrutiny, the kidnapper would have us believe they are continually watching the Ramsay family, which. Is very highly unlikely one, but two goes back to that line of. If we, you know, if we see you getting the money earlier, we're going to kill me earlier arrangements to return. Your daughter right, a kind of kind of underlining that, yes, we are watching you and we will know when you go to get the money. The word hence, as you pointed out, is incredibly interesting, it's not a common word. The word, hence, is a formal way of saying. Therefore, the writer starts out the ransom. Note misspell words, giving the appearance that they are uneducated, however his or their edges,
general level begins to show when they use words such as. Hence we see the same writing style in the ramses christmas message on December, fourteenth nineteen, ninety seven, the first united it is a church and bolder colorado held a memorial service for job and aid in the pro m. There was a message, a christmas message from the Ramsay family. This message was also posts. on the ramsay families website in them since we find the statement had there been no birth of Christ, there would be no hope of eternal life, and hence no hope of ever being with our loved ones again, yes at suspicious, but if there's also enhance and their christmas letter opiates again, samantha god,
christmas letter, but this is the year after she was killed. Nobody do you say that there was and that there was in their regional critics christmas letter that people would have gotten ninety. Ninety six as there are no enhance. and that one I would have to go back and review that I dont believe that there is a and hands, but their this. This fact is, from their december fourteen nineteen ninety seven messages of memorial to dominate right, so that's very suspicious towards patsy ramsay. But if again, like I said burke a couple times says enhance and his, I guess, can cause in turkey
can tapes questioning tapes. Is it just some that's close to the family and and that enhances something that patsy patsy uses. So therefore I use it and my letter not so much suspicious towards towards pansy, but more of a clue that that I know you were close, you you want to hear one sad thing. You you mentioned their christmas letter and I forgot about this. Is there so many things involved in this case, so many details involved in this case. and regarding their christmas letter that we we discussed last week that they sent out to their friends and family yeah. They sent it out so late in December. I believe I've heard the statement that every one, but just for the sake of being fair,
In not having that in my notes, specifically, I will state that that that statement was most of them. people receiving most of the recipients of that letter received it on December, twenty sixth The same day that they had to tell friends and family the job today was killed right So just what a sad sad thing for free and family you get this. api cheery message about the my family and then find out that same day the little well that you read about in their christmas message, has been killed. Also in these events in this letter we have an unnecessary word over. Any deviation of my instructions will rise, in the immediate execution of your daughter. You all be denied. Her remains for proper burial you, gentlemen, watching over your daughter
Sorry words are words that can be taken out of a sentence taken out his letter completely in the scent and still make sets the right or could have stated the two gentlemen watching your daughter extra words, thus extra information. What is the difference between watching over someone and watching someone? According to statement, analysis, dot com? They say the best example is in reference, the god. If someone were to say that god is watching over me, then you have god keeping his distance. He sees the parson here she, I don't want to get into that argument. Here. She's sees the person, but ah so sees the entire world. At the same time, god can see the person because they are a part of the world. while god is watching over that person, they are also watching over others. The word over means- god is Spreading his watchful eye upon the earth now
If someone were to write or to say god is watching you. It becomes more personal, it's a focused attention Another example would be if a friend ass you to watch over his house while he was out of town in this case, Probably wants you to stop by every once in a while and make sure, Everything is ok, maybe your pick up the male. Why the plants whatever. However, if he asks you to watch his hat ass, he probably wants you to house it to stay there.
we'll be there where you can keep a close eye on things so December. Twenty six. I think something else that we should point out as this would have been a thursday. So yes, people off work normally on christmas, but there's a lot of you that go back to work on that thursday. So if it's not written by patsy ramsay, I believe it would have to be written by somebody that knew that they had time to do this that day, possibly some way that doesn't have a job or or is off work, which it could be a lot of people by thing, it's important to point out I'll santa claus. You spent the whole time working just before that, so I'm sure he is often resting on that day. statement. Analysis goes on while we're talking about words that are unnecessary. They go
add in a kidnapping, the kidnappers should be watching the abductee. Meaning the word watching, is also unnecessary. It would be understood they will want to keep a close eye on her. they want to make sure she does not escape or alert someone that she needs help, they will to make sure she doesn't harm herself if her being alive, is dependent upon them. Receiving the ransom When the writer of the ransom no said they were watching over job today, the writer is telling us they were not keeping a close eye on her. There only two reasons why you would not closely watch your hostage one? If you knew for certain she, was all right and could not escape or two if you She was dead now, since a dead body, isn't going anywhere.
Something you watch over knock. Keep a close eye on rights. Are less be clear about this if its patsy ramsay or somebody in the rams he how called. Then we know that germany is dead, and so some of this stuff points to that right. My issue has always been the person if its aim, intruder they had time. So why? Wouldn't you write the note beforehand? If the goal was to take Jon benet out of the house, the whole kidnapping could just be a rules they. Maybe they even want money they just over a year, this as a ruse to give them more time right,
watching over and all that stuff might not make any sense. I to me it's less likely that the intruder takes her to the basement kills her on purpose or on accident, and then decides to write a note. My gut feeling says if it's an intruder, the note was written before the death of Jon Benet and it's just immaturity, not a seasoned criminal, not a you know, but I'll also think a lot of the stuff is leading to somebody with a decent education, decent ability to write. I believe the person is giving too many clues on
that they're close to the family and again I dunno if the the dollar amount matters at all hm yeah. I want to stay on this for a little bit, because I personally do not believe that the what statement analysis dot com is stating here in it, bless form. Is that, based on the language used in the latter, it appears that the writer already knew that job and I was dead when writing the ransom, no bread. I dont really firmly agree with that, and I think that when they say that they are trying to indicate that that means that it has to be paths and john of or patsy by herself, writing this letter already, knowing that the daughters dead right, I don't believe that so much but staying staying on This idea of additional words are unnecessary words. I go back to the. We are a small for
facts- and we are a group of individuals, the men watching over your daughter, this is a group- did watch over could actually apply. The watching over your daughter could make sense, as we can't assume. We know everything that the kidnapper has planned regardless. the long letter left on the spiral staircase this watching over could intended to imply simply the men took your daughter the master mine of this operation and I'm leaving the ransom know. After the fact they are elsewhere. Watching over your daughter, the tomb watching over your daughter. Do not particularly like you when we look at a copy of the ransom letter. Fine, the writer originally wrote, do particularly like you, the word not was written above the space between the words do and particularly alive
was then drawn indicating that the word not should be inserted between these words. We have any deviation of my instructions will result in the immediate execution of your daughter. You will also be denied her remains for proper burial. The two gentlemen watching over your daughter: do not particularly like you, so I advise you not to provoke them speaking to anyone about your situation, such as police, fbi, etc, will result In your daughter being beheaded, say that job and I will be beheaded very unusual statement. Analysis says in the union, states. We generally do not talk about beheading people. This was put in no in their opinion to make it look like a foreign faction was being behind this kidnapping right now captain. This is the line that I have always question the most. Let's say
been a died in some kind of accident, and then the parents covered it up, which is a very popular theory, so they cover up and then right this ransom letter they would still be very upset about the dead of their small child. They would still be leaving parents in a way. I can't I have a very difficult time, believing that parents, for any reason, would reference the beheading of their own child rights that it's not necessary to throw that, in that note, to cover up an accidental death or something else, the small foreign
action in the beheading makes me think, and the season right tis the season for one of the best christmas movies of all time, and if you don't think it's a christmas movie, you're just wrong die hard. It makes me think that somebody who watched die hard too much and went oh yeah, foreign faction, ah yeah I'll, be heading. This is the terms that they would use ray if we catch you talking to a stray dogs. She dies. If you alert bank authorities she dies. If the money is in any way marked or tampered with, she dies, you will be scan for electronic devices and, if any are found, she dies for times. The writer uses the phrase she dies if job I was still alive the writer should have been speaking in the future tents. She will die. This is a strong indication that the red, the writer again knows that germany was dead at the time. This is again that same webs,
a kind of pointing out to the that we could have a cover up here by the parents. Yet again the cover up makes more sense than but as far as the she dies, ok of wild and sheep, they would say well, she will die. This could be some again while that's this, sound more like a terrorist would talk, dad's right, she dies, and then, after this she dies this. This is this would be the terrorist or the threat level being turned up crank it up to eleven right, scared the hell out of the out of the parents Now I really like this portion that I found here it states There are three times when the writer use an exclamation point. Exclamation points, as we all know, are used to add emphasis to the statement. Listen carefully. This has an exclamation.
Boy in talking about killing java, nay, the writer does not use any exclamation points four times are right or wrong. She dies. We would expect this to be a point of emphasis in the letter, but didn't use them when talking about killing germany. This too may kate. The job- and I was already dead in the author- knew this at this time there are. Can you you ve, been kind of hinting at this all day long here there are several movie references or close to quotes, found. in this ransom letter in the movie harry inspector harry Callaghan, clint eastwood, I love clint eastwood is looking for scorpio. A man who kidnapped the little girl when talking to scorpio on the phone several times. Scorpio tells inspect callahan that if he does not follow his orders, the girl dies, as opposed to saying the girl will die
in the movie. The girl was already dead in the ransom, no job, and I was already dead, another very interesting thing. Is the letter only names, John Ramsay, by name no one else. First, it's MR ramsay and then simply John doe. The no is addressed Stu Ramsay, however, towards the end of the letter, Mr Ramsay becomes job while doing have a practice. No at some point. Yes, where it is addressed the both of them so in the believed or what is called the rough drafter. The first draft often referred to as the practice note practice letter They find in the same notepad its belief that the this ransom
came from the same notepad that they later found at the top of a page. Somebody wrote mister and missus. I it looks like I because what the the authority state is it that is the down stroke for a capital, are that the intention was for it to be me. stir in mrs Ramsay and then before even completing the capital are. The author chin is their mind and then decided to address the letter simply to MR ramsey just to jaw right which look. This is a pad that the list of drives me nuts cause. It's like the the housekeeper could have said. I'm going to write a note, real quick to MR and mrs Ramsay or anybody else that worked at the house could sit down. So yes, they believe it's possibly a practice note, but there's also
What other explanations are other things that you can speculate? That is that there was no practice. No, we don't have anybody to claim that that that little letter right there, you know the. Mr. Mrs. I write. I think if somebody were to claim that it would be easy, more easy to dismiss, but because we don't have that it may appear to most that a possible practice letter, nobody saying definitively was right, but there is evidence to certainly point that it could be. You and your family are under constant scrutiny as well as the authorities don't try to grow a brain John. You are not the only fat cat around so dont think that killing will be difficult. Don't underestimate us John used that good southern common sense of yours, it is up to you
now, John again, this is pointing, I think, two summits closer to the family. Then this small foreign faction, but also it simply, can put point towards patsy ramsey. Well yeah I mean this is an indicator that the the author of the letter has some general knowledge of John. It's. It seem as the dollar about right same as knowing that he would be able to pay this amount use that good southern sense of yours goods their common sense of knowing that is from a land right and then addressing him as John. I tell you what, though, for all the reasons that many people point out, that the letter itself shows no level of criminal sophistication. I want to point to one sentence that I believe shows a good deal of understanding and criminal sophistication regarding
getting the ransom in. That is, don't try girl, brain John, and we know that this reference point only from a movie from from speed where he says don't grow brain I'm on top of you or says something like that, and that that's a that's an individual that is looking to collect a ransom in the movie, but this line right here captain you are not only fat can around so dont think that killing will be difficult. That to me show some criminal sophistication right there. That too, He is the person whose demanding the ransom to say you know what, on top of that, don't you the aid from these things, because there's a lot of people to say. Well, you don't pay array, some because you know right away that the killer, that the doctor will not kill the abducted person, the abductee, because if they do kill then the likelihood of getting the ransom goes down significantly. They ve, not they ve not upheld their end of the
organ w lioness line, because they're saying don't deviate from us because guess what we don't care, we will kill your daughter and then we will take somebody else's kid and will give them a ranch. And somebody will pay us eventually. So don't try to out. let us hear just be, This is a very short way of saying: don't try outsmart us here. Just do the right thing and pay us because will do this again. We're not we're not worried about giving you your daughter back, we're, not work. now losing out on the ransom, because we because you screw up and we have the killer Well, sir. You have one line that we believe is coming from dirty harry, but you say that there's a kidnapping there, so that's interesting in them that there is an airline that we all that might be from speed and there's a ransom. There. I wonder if we're missing other lines from movies, well
in dirty harry there's, the line. If we catch you talking to a stray dogs, she dies, whilst our that's from the the ransom letter. But it sounds like from dirty harry we have you talk to anyone, even if it's a pekinese on a lamp post, being on a lamp post. The girl dies dat's from dirty harry harry, are, we missing, some other references to movies and and to me, then that's a again. I I find it hard to think that john and patsy their daughter is it's an accidental death right and they're trying to cover up for their son. This is their child doesn't have to be cover up for their son, though, As you know, anybody copyright directive, the accidental death, but right right, you're right. But what I'm saying is this is our beloved daughter. This is loves, so my point so may set up well
Even if they don't care about their daughter, they would have there would have been upset about their investment. Hoo Hoo those claims towards parents, there's no evidence that John and paths- patsy were horrible, say and worshippers didn't, give a shit about their little daughter. So there's there was an accidental death. Whoever's respond both at the end of the day we have a dead six year old, daughter so think for them to sit around and come up with this letter to me, it's cutesy, ah what throw in that line about whether you don't want a dirty harry, say: oh yeah, say something like that. What was that, arose that line speed. Yes, something like that, it's too cutesy but there are six year old daughter, died and an end to this. These, for whatever reason it's like, I want the collar. but the money that doesn't make em monsters, she spent
a lot of time with her daughter, no matter what you think. That is the end. I am also sick and tired of people going loudly. They set her up and they put her in, position where there's all these pedophiles end and so really even if they didn't killer, if they're not covering up an accident that that there really brought this upon their daughter, I'll gimme, a break. You kids, ain't, safe anywhere. I have friends, I been blessed by teachers, councillors, boyscout leaders, bus drivers, locker coaches priest pedophiles are everywhere. So it's the claims that we can make when there's no evidence beforehand or afterwards of them being horrible militia people. Just it doesn't make a lot of sense to me, like I said it's too cutesy all us try to throw in some movie called
There is no evidence of them being horrible, malicious people beforehand either. So this me? Is the most interesting portion of the letter and actually it's what is not in the letter. Patsy is not named germany is not named, but his references. your daughter or she by this isn't, thing, because what, if it's possible, that the person that wrote. The latter did not know the little girls name or at the very least did not know how to spell job any that's, not common name I can't think of anybody else that that shares that name right. Is it possible the they avoided? That name because they didn't know how to spell also- the intruder have. only known john Ramses name is a difficult one, because you think you know what
intruder theory allowed people go this. This person must have been obsessed with this little girl of europe's ass with her when it, you know how to spell her name Also, if you wrote the note beforehand and then brought it with europe or wrote a no beforehand and brought that with you and the competent town- and you are obsessed with her Y know, why, wouldn't you put her name but again, maybe there's all these little tells that if it's an intruder that they know the family well, right, but maybe that was there there. I am trying to disagree with that. I think that the only Dictators that we have is that the intruder may John well again pointing no patsy, no john, beneath all the references that that would indicate that they know of the family maybe you just using family in a loose term there right, but it's all towards John, Mr Ramsay, John. We respect your business.
We know that your wealthy one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars use that good southern sense of yours right all John and there are theories out there and your theories that person's bully. that the intruder yeah did they do some horrible thing. The job in eight yeah, they killed her, but the the with the intent was too was you harm John ramsay right on an emotional level or whatever down on a physical level, but that that was motivating factor for the death for the murder or abduction of this little girl was to heart and possibly destroy John Ramsay. The dick the killer
or the abductor hand, was seeking revenge against him or was or sought to destroy this man yeah. That makes sense to just focus it on John, if you're, if the writer is patsy cause, what would make you think that you should focus on yourself right? So that's where I think people go, others had to be patsies doing and here's the thing too, and I'm glad you point that out because that's something that I think most people kind of skip over when they look at this case you hear so many people go. Oh, it was the parents or it had to be the parents. You can run different scenarios in your head where it doesn't have to be the parents, it could be a parent right, it could have been one or the other. It doesn't have to be a united front of of the two right, but you killed covered up and then it's the two of them against them. World going forward right because, what's in arresting in these cases,
You have a lot of people that think patsy was up all night long and that her husband, he took a sleeping aid, so he passed out and what, if all this stuff happen, and now she is responsible for she feels that she's responsible, and she doesn't think that John will understand so that she s a cover this all up on her own, it's possible, but also think when I think about the intruder. Theory is that may be. This person had a affection for patsy as well, and that that's why they didn't put her in the letter than its name. Her you, I mean
If I'm going to talk trash to somebody I'll talk a little I'll talk a little stick to John, but I wouldn't do that to patsy. So I'm not going to do that in the letter when you say that this individual would have it out for John right. The evidence against that, as if you have more hatred towards Somebody you're not going to be so polite you're, going to sweat, you're going to spew a lot more venom, and that doesn't happen and you don't eat them, don't think you're the only fat cat around, don't why, like so you're, you're kind of given a compliment just in that statement, You think a lot more of, like John he's, a piece of shit gonna pay us and you know, you're a horrible person and your business sucks I mean like, but there are two complementary to him. So I am, I doubt the hate
then we have the weird ending of the letter. The victory ass b, t see as BT see. It appears there's no period after the letter see just after the other three others people have for so many years have wondered what could s b t see mean? That has always been one of the most popular questions in this case, one of the most popular theories is that it stands for subic bay. Training centre right subic bay is a bay on the west coast of the island of lose on in the philippines about one hundred kilometres north west of milan, a ban an extension of the south china sea. Its shores were formerly the sight of a major united states navy facility. Named. U s naval base subic bay, which is now the location of in industrial
and commercial area known as the subic bay free port zone under the subic bay metropolitan authority. We point this because many people have said suggested that John Ramsay, who was stationed as subic bay may have come up with this ass b t see because it means subic bay training centre. However, in the discussion in that we just gave you a clearly tells you There is no entity that exist with that name right: subic bay, training centre, that's not what that place was called, and as far as I could find, there is no training facility station there that no, he would have any reason to refer to the united states. maybe facility named: u s naval base subic bay as subic bay training centre. Another possibility captain is the as bt sea could mean saved by the
cross, which could mean a number of different things statement. Analysis says this is because of the ramses professed faith in god and because the word victory precedes the initials as bt see as all christians. No, it is through Christ. Sacrifice on the key. us that we have victory over death. The ramses were religious and attended church, as we mentioned in the timeline. Patsy beat cancer to and has also been suggested that saved by the cross is a reference to patsy's victory over cancer as bt sea could, could have meaning to the perpetrator or to the perpetrators, relationship to the ramses or job in a or what is probably the most alike, lisa situation is that it means nothing at all
all that it has no real relevance to the case at all. I believe patsy. At one point. When asked what s bt sea could mean, she said: son of a bitch Tom Carter, which has someone the family knew. But that of course, just seems like, like kooky talk, It's yeah. She had no filter really right right. Why? You know what I do like that about her. There is a certain charm John has too much filter right. I then patsy has no filter. Yeah I saw some up stop guard. While there is a guy that they they look in two and one of the new documentaries where he would say his name. He had like aliases awe and the tea would stand for truth, so it was his alias, but he would put truth in there, but again they they once you do more
research, say you gotta. While this guy was connected the colorado, but he couldn't have been there at the time, so I think arrays grabbing at straws for this one. I question the letters themselves so. es b, t see that's what we're assuming in is because again, I think one of the things that really points to the fact that patsy didn't write the snow because if she's calling nine one one, this would have been not much after He already wrote the no right it could have minutes could have an hour's right and they ask her who wrote the know who's it,
from, and you almost hear you have to you almost hear the thinking the wheels turning and she has to go to the back and say s b, T c. Then she reads up victory. If she wrote this note, she would yeah your your knee. Jerk reaction would be to say victory s b, t c or just simply s b, t c yeah without a pause who wrote the no s b, t c, okay, well, more likely that she wrote the note But when she s a search through it because he claims she didn't even read the whole. Now she got to the point where the you have my daughter, oh shit. I go check on my daughter, all shit, John John near come help me all we're here know John be reads the know, maybe does it mean gets the same part. We gotta call the police
and then at some point you go on how shit. Now we call the police but they're telling us not to call the police, but again she reads up, and she says s b, t c victory. If she wrote the note, like you said, start with victory, sb, t c or say s b, t c quicker. I question the letters and this is what I mean by this patsy ramsey is the one that determined this. Is s b, t c? This is pretty sloppy handwriting. I don't know of t as a tea or if it was supposed to be possibly a j J, because if you look at every other t, son of a bitch John Carter, some it look at every other tee. The bottom swoosh of the tea goes out to the right, and when you look at this t, an almost looks like there's a dot. Well, it is a fell tip
pen? Ok, so I do want to throw this in their according to Steve Thomas, they had verification from these secret service, united states secret service. That of the felt tip pens in the little. You know every got their little pennon pencil holder that contains multiple pens and pencils that that and in pencil holder contained a felt, a pen that authored the latter according to Steve thomas and according to what he states is proof from the secret service that they were able to determine that the the die or the ink, I guess would be better to say, was- was a perfect match for one particular pen in that the whole or I point that out felt tipp pan, because if you anybody that use them often knows, if you just kind of hesitate to pick up your pen
It will leave what what looks to be a dot at the bar. of a letter or at though at the end of a stroke that you just finished yeah, which I get but again, I think the as more deliberate and the reason why I can look at every you when they see why. Oh you right at the bottom of the, why what happens with their pen naturally goes to the right look at a hundred percent when they make the present sign. Where does the pen go? Naturally, it too right to see that what was the last one you decided, I'm I'm reviewing the use. So if you look at the use, the bottom of the wye always starts curving to the right, even on the on the ds, the bomb The days of you look at the word you when you say you thought you meant the letter you,
yeah you're right with the the y. At the start of the word you and at the end of the word victory. I can see right here on page three yeah it it. It goes to the right a little bit yeah and then, if he lookout hundred percent or the bottom of the percent sign, it goes to the to the right, and that happens over and over almost every y. goes down into the right us, even that F's any right on their aid goes to the left aren't well on the t. It goes to the left, making it possible J. Yes just, but only on the s b, t c, so I think it's possible that the person started hurrying through this a little bit more, and that is the s b. J c right could be yeah and could the sole son of a bitch Jesus Christ
is that what is now now- and it could be anything again- it could mean nothing at all- could be here. Look the truth of the matter. At the end of the day, is the ransom? No is a farce how do you want to spinet? Whoever you believed to be involved? It's a fake meaning whoever road it never intended to receive any ransom. I believe that one hundred percent So what you're saying as of his red by somebody in the face why there covering up there make their they're making it look like it something else and he's working on an upper an accident or their current up, a murder. Ok, if its intruder, it could just be a false. It could be a farce from the beginning
and there are still playing on taking her and that just doesn't work out, and then they left the scene and move about their business. I think it very likely the given what we we know of the wine cellar in what we suspect of the body of job in a way that, if this- person or this group had any intention of taking this little girl and removing her from the home that this letter was constructed to buy them time, meaning when the thing with the intruder, I'm kind of with you and I'm not saying that. I believe it to be an intruder, but if it were, if I were to say, as I believe this was an intruder, that's responsible for the murder of job. In a way, I believe that the the
or theory only works. If the letter was written was constructed before they had attempted abduction of this girl and that there was no really who intention to ever return her. There was no true intention to collect on that ransom that this would have been more likely sexually motivated crime. The letter was constructed to buy this sick some additional time right in that could be for either any number of MRS or just simply for the purpose of getting away a flea, the area or distancing themselves from the crime itself, don't contact police, if, if I can do anything to stall law enforcement from the if I can do anything to stall the experts from getting involved then, I do that because We all know if you don't solve the singing the first,
forty eight, you have a suspect in the first forty eight first, seventy two time as the killer time makes it more difficult to solve these cases, and this is particularly complicated. One and so I believe that, if it were even which an intruder, the idea would be to distance themselves from the instigation, to slow the start in progression of that investigation. That I point to that for several reasons, because even if somebody Lock, wheat, we know that she's killed. We know that she's killed somewhere in the home and then the body is left somewhere in that home, even if they kill the person killed. Her had intended to tee her for the purpose of a ransom. You would still work. the body because you could still collect on that ransom. Even though she's dead, the parasol know that she's dead right and even and even if they were either The sentence of denied a proper burial indicates that the all
of the letter understands it. Even the return of a dead body has some value, so I don't really believe that there was ever in any intention of collecting on a ransom and we went through the timeline. I will contact you, but in eight and ten, a m tomorrow. To give you instructions, there was no contact. Nobody ever help for any reason at all. I think it. Is also very important to keep in mind. I think the smartest things it did Steve Thomas added to this case is where he states that eight to ten a m is so confusing, because we don't know what the author means by eight to ten a m because this crime we were talking, this all, went down in the middle of the night if, if the abductor, it attempted the abduction after midnight
Well then, eight, a m to ten a m tomorrow could mean the next day. So I think it's all. it is all very large scale again. I think I believe that the person if it was an intruder. They they wrote it beforehand and either copy. Their are no and try to make a couple corrections to it or whatever yeah, and and that's why we have those little scribble marks, but I think they they wrote it beforehand. There too many cutesy, like little references and little thing, about like hollywood, not even so much. Even if you say there not quote in any movie, it sounds like stuff that would come from a movie. They could just be quoting things or are not specifically quoting movies, but just again grabbing window dressing. They did that comes to mind.
Right when they think of all what would a what would it kidnapper who wants a ransom right? But what do I Think a ransom letter should look like and that's why. I think it it's what what I believe and I'll go forward move forward with this is it I believe the ransom know, is the ransom letters a complete farce in that either points to get points. The motive for me either it's a cover up side, job that had to be covered up, or it was fact. An intruder and the whole purpose of the ransom letter was constructed in advance and is constructed to slow the investigation to too dull, at the start of the investigation. Maybe the parent don't call nine one one right away, because they are scared. believed, the latter. They believe they're going to get their daughter back. That does
have to have any indicator, whether the author new in advance, that they were going to take the girl or or killed the girl inside Has no nothing to do with that at all. It's just points everything In this letter points to me that nobody had any intention of collecting okay, so crispy colonel, if, if you had to bet right right now, if if, if you had to wager your whole life, savings one hundred and eighteen thousand one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars. and he had a wager that against the small foreign faction is this coming from inside the ramsay family, or this coming from outside the ramsay fail. Ok, I would walk up to the window to the the betting window and I would place
fifty nine thousand dollars that the author of the letter was an intruder, and then I would place my I would wager my remaining fifty nine thousand dollars that one of the rams Both the ramses wrote the letter I like that wager right there, yeah. That's a horrible answer. I'm gonna go if I had to bear its intruder. wow what an episode to ours and I'm mechanisms yeah. We want to thank everybody for listening thanks for Tom, a friend thanks for sharing on social media for everything, true crime, garage, checkout, true crime, garage
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