Charles Lucky Luciano is one of the most researched, discussed and dissected American mobsters of all time. His name has become synonymous with NY City's high drama gangland days of prohibition bootlegging, the information of the infamous five families, and controversy over his alleged Last Testament. However, there exists many fascinating and lurid tales and theories regarding Lucky's rise and fall from the mobs top spot. Some of these stories are known, but still incited debate, such as the origins of his nickname and menacing facial scars. Other legends are not so well known to the general publicWith information culled from rare news articles, government documents and numerous books written on the subject, this book will give readers a chance to discover Luciano in a way that engages the mystery of his pop culture status, while encouraging further debate over the facts that fallacies that exist about his true role in the history of the American mafia structure. LUCKY LUCIANO-Mysterious Tales of a Gangster Legend-Christian Cipollini
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you are now listening to true murder, the most shocking killers and true crime history and the authors that have written about Gacy, Bundy Dahmer, the night Stalker Dck every week, another fascinating achter talking about the most shocking and infamous killers, crime, history, room murder, with your host journalist and author Dan. This is Nancy good evening. Charles lucky Luciano was one of the most researched discussed and dissected american mobsters of all time. His name is become synonymous with New York City's high drama gangland days of prohibition, bootleg
the information of the infamous five families and controversy over his alleged last testament. However, there exists many fascinating, a lurid tales and theories regarding Lucky's rise and fall from the mobs top spot. Some of these stories are known, but still inside a debate such as the origins of his nickname and menacing facial scars other regions are not so well known to the general public, with information called from rare news, articles, government documents and numerous books written on the subject. This book will give readers a chance to discover Luciano in a way that engages the mystery of his pop culture status, while encouraging further debate over the facts and thalassies that exist about his true rule in the history of the american mafia structure. The book that we're featuring this evening is lucky Luciano, mystery, mysterious tales of a gangster legend with my special guest journalist and author Christian Cipollini.
Welcome back to the program and thank you very much for green this interview, Christian Cipollini Dan. Thank you always a pleasure. Thank you always a pleasure. So, let's just get right into this. I won't even ask you uh one of the questions. I normally ask: why would you do a book about lucky Luciano? I want to ask you that question. What I'm going to ask you is that, despite all the books, despite all the information while Lucky Luciano, all the focus on this mobster, what did you- I guess just going into this just beginning this look into this lucky Luciano? What did you uh? Why did you think that you could add something to the
the legend as it were great question hi. You know what Dan I had tried to consume every book, article on him for twenty years, just because I was always cure it's about history and organized crime before ever really delved in the writing about it. And I think I was convinced at one time that, like the last testament, of lucky Luciano was I mean, It was law that was that was the story and then find out that you know hey. This has been debated for couple of decades and anyway you know my publisher wanted to do. This gangland mystery series with different authors. Long story short, he asked me: do you want to take part? What do you want to do and his daunting as it seemed You know what I want to write my
own little digestible book on Luciano. But what can I find or- prove different. You know that was the goal. I hope that I succeeded in it, but Was the original idea? Well, certainly, there's what you claim in the book and what you deliver is that there is certainly a lot of debate over certain things that are key to this legend to this, the myth and summer dispelled in in explained, explained and obviously you're going to bring that exhaustive research that you do to the forefront here to be able to back up what you're saying. So this is just not in another book about lucky Luciano this again is an important book or you wouldn't have written it. Now, let's go back to even the legend of how he came to have this nickname, but we'll go back into his early childhood. What I found fascinating when you
talk about a criminal starting early, this guy really started early. So tell us about the origins. The real origins of lucky Luciano track It back when he, when he arrived with his family. The second half of his family to come to New York. They they were growing up the area that was obviously poor part of the lower Manhattan right next to a predominantly jewish section of town, and these kids were part of the you know the five points the gang that also had people like Al Capone. You know all these guys grew up together and enough to get off on
changing, but let's face it, everybody has a choice in life. Okay, I think that that's basic you don't have to be a criminal or or whatever, but when you look at the options that were offered a lot of these ethnic groups, what made And Luciano and some of the jewish kids and their italian kid together, and that was the route they took. Not everybody did that, but here's some kids that did so yeah sort young you're talking his first arrest Uh was in his early team from narcotics, and people seem to forget It wasn't all about booze back in these guys, I mean narcotics was another big prohibited item by the time they
really started into a life of crime, but being growing up with jewish kids too. He he knew he learnt just, I guess, inherently the protection racket as it were from even even from his own childhood. Just from being young, I mean he and that later alliance will be important as well. The tell us what his family life was like, what the what This is parental situation and tells a little bit about that is best. Anybody can glean from it, and and definitely a lot of my peers have written more extensively on him, over and what childhood was probably like for him, and I think I should point this out- every researcher writer of history in general, not just organized crime knows unless you were there
we're never going to know all the answers. Okay weren't there, but to get a general idea it his parents, probably weren't bad people. They were raising like a lot of parents, a bunch of kids. Charlie was one of the ones to never be home. You know yeah, I had some legitimate jobs as a kid, but he always seemed to tie those in with crime till Yes running into some of these jewish kids that already had their own stuffed and protection rackets and in it. What ended up happening is instead of beating the hell out of each other for awhile. They decided to do joining forces. I mean that's really a simplified way of how things probably ended up, but then you're talking about kids, it basically hung out
the street. Twenty four slash, seven doing rackets right right now. What is the origin of Lucky Luciano's, the moniker lucky Luciano, and when did he actually get this moniker, there's obviously, and if anybody who knows story of Luciano a lot of we took it as with his name lucky, because he survived in case looking for a ride, which essentially means you're picked up in a car because you're going to be killed, he survived a ride which way mystery in and of itself. Who actually did it? That's where a lot of people
uh. It myself at one time included, believed hey. He got nicknamed lucky. All these guys had nicknames. You know, there's all it seems like every gangster virtually had a nickname. His for surviving this ride. In nineteen twenty nine, I They do not believe that I'm. I know some of my fellow authors and re searchers now they too I've learned from them, not don't believe everything just because most of us take it for historical fact. What I sound input and the book the book he things he said himself in the 1950s. To reporters be granted interviews to an if you take that And again, I don't want to give everything away, but let's just say, if I could put in anything to bed in this book. Let's get this straight. He Has the nickname, lucky well
before he was taken for a ride in survived that Nick now was there and there are a couple series to to that. Precursor, but you know anyway again. I want to give away too much, but put that one to bed now that there's another there's other little myths which I don't think are as as important as some of the others, but will deal with those he had scars. He had a droopy eye. Yes, what is the? What was the mythology about where the droopy I came from and the scars. Well, the? What in this isn't giving away much, but I mean really Luciano himself: the story he stuck to till the day he died was that he was beaten up by cops
he was picked up on a Manhattan street and left on the Staten Island Street beat up by cops looking for Jack legs diamond because they He used to run with time now with General consensus is this being which was very bad left him with droopy eye in the scars on the right side of his face and gave him that extra sinister look. However,. I started, because I collect photographs that That's really how I start to write as is based off these rare photos. I was fortunate to acquire a close up photo of him. Nineteen twenty six and if you look at it really had a slight droop to his. I already that that was already. There is no. It doesn't seem like a big big deal, but I thought It important to point out because hey here's a little another mystery. Let's throw this monkey wrench in
he already had a droopy eye before he was beat up, so it yeah, like you said, not everything is important to the greater story, but it's neat little. You know if you like those kinda little factoids yeah now the would you did mention too, and I'm glad that you mention that early one of the major fascinating aspects of your book two is the sixty photos that are included. So tell us this. A little bit about those photos, you said you, that's where you start not. I've never heard anyone actually make. That claim. So tell us a little bit more about that in where you, where you access to the you know most true crime books that thirteen forty Pages so ha ha Well, I don't know if it's brilliance or insanity, but a colleague of mine actually pointed out to me he's like I've. Never you say you you like to start with. Photos and then build
story on yeah me and a friend had been collecting for several years. We try to acquire original press photos, police photos, crime scene, photos, it's a weird hobby, and I'd always been a writer first, but that I'm very visual so long story short. I started testing photographs of Luciano Murder, INC, Arnold Rothstein, Terra all that was my sting, so I to to really find some. What I consider jam is there any I'm. I thought this have to go in the book and a couple are really close to my heart, but yeah there's sixty photos in there between my my body and myself that have collected, season yeah we have the originals, it's yeah, it's like my I enjoy too, because I think it it illustrates annex
Actually it's what I'm writing about it. Ok here see the changes in history in these people because it wasn't it wasn't all about lucky Luciano. He was not a lone wolf, he had lots of friends and places and things that I wanted to capture. If that answers question you know that, but I see photos and work backwards. Well, it's a great inclusion. I mean it and again I mean it's just because people don't have the access, but with your access with this incredible, like you say, passion and fascination for this, that the reader gets this incredible bonus, and I think I I love seeing a news clippings of the time I like seeing anything from the time because and then it's it just drives home really what you're reading is history,
and it's just incredibly interesting history really now tell us a little bit more about the because lucky Luciano is, is credited for a lot of things, but he didn't get into power immediately, but tell us about what you found that might have differed from the some of the myths about his importance in terms of sort of reorganizing. I guess an organization. It was already there, but at least looking a little differently than tradition with that that the sicilian array origins had to be maintained and tell us about the power struggle and, in anything that you found in in. You are in your research that kind of went against the official story, I think I think first of all is for anybody that doesn't talk, perhaps know a lot about this, but in New York
you had the era of these sicilian, mob bosses, and they like to run it. You know do business with other Sicilians period, Luciano being sicilian blood. Was part of that, but he also carried on as a lot of these guys did with other associations, Luciano you're talking late 1920s. He was doing business with Arnold Rothstein, yell, famous jewish financier of illicit business, he was doing business with irish gangsters who jack Legs diamond was in charge of, and he was work Kingwood, Bugsy, Siegel and Meyer Lansky in in little bug in my are mob when it came, till about one thousand. Nine hundred and thirty one. Luciano's, often
and they say oh he's, he became the boss of all bosses and reorganized the mafia, and it wasn't really like that with more like I believe he and his italian and jewish friends and associates decided it's time to change the guard and work together, let's take out The bad element and start something new- I don't think they created a new thing. I really crave Ross with developing the unified gangland sort of Halle Luciano from nineteen. Thirty one to nineteen, thirty, six and it's relatively short time was considered
man or up one of the top man. I don't think he was the boss of all bosses. I don't think you subscribe to that. I think there were a lot of them that were taught by sure now, in terms of you have it's amazing, via the the the detail that you have everything from Lucky's tattoos and and everything from one. This will cover this a little bit later, because this is one of the. Pigeons as well, and you cover this well, because this is very important. You know Lucciano's actual role in helping the allied forces in world war. Two, so we'll talk about that just a little bit later in context, so now tell us about the broad the starlet and her and her I've marriage. Five tell us a little bit about what you want covered there. That's not something everyone to has re written. The are ready
Certainly, no- and you know her name Gillian or Lock- was her name. Is uh a russian immigrant and she changed her name to gay Orlova when she decided to try you know her shot at Broadway. Like a lot of showgirls? She frequented the same Manhattan haunts that a lot of gangsters did in it is that charismatic attic to being a thanks during these girls were young, and you know they liked this stuff that these guys were I'm telling them are offering them She was in interesting one that I had read her name you mentioned in a lot of books over the years, and I find you know. I want to write a whole chapter. I want to find out what happened to this woman. What was her real deal because she was very attractive. She see, Seems to be a very important part of his life for a little while anyway.
Story without giving a lot away Talking about someone who was almost is missed in her goal and how to reach them as any gangster was. Let's leave it at that from marriages of convenience to wearing walking? into our give you good example: she walks into a police station when she was questioned after Luciano was arrested. She green, wearing four thousand dollars per and diamonds in the cops were like: where did you get and she was horrified that they would ask anyone wouldn't have that on it's just the whole mentality in and then it's a very sort of sad ending to the chapter in her life, I think people, I just think it was really neat
to get in and dig into this woman who wasn't really written about extensively before I. I hope I tapped into something interesting yeah. You did absolutely now tell us. For artists that, because I wasn't really familiar with this at least well, it was, I guess, it's been a while anyway, certainly total to last testament of lucky Luciano and the Mafia story in his own words. Tell us about that. What you found regarding this last testament, where there had been debate over that book sense take came out in the mid 70s. Ok, whether it was legit or not, and one of the authors had died before we could even argue this point. The co author argued no, no, it's it's real, okay and then later he said all right. Well, I had to make up some of the dialogue. It's still based on notes film,
taking interviews a lot of our peers in other writers, you know have and talked about. You really can't rely on the last test. It's a fascinating, read great books, but do not leave. It is history because there our actual historic documents and interviews with Luciano that I don't know, tell the opposite of some of that and I Base anything in this book. I learn from my peers. Do not base anything. Do not quote it. Do not use it, because the only thing Bing Factual is that Martin Ghosh, who wanted to produce a movie on Luciano, did meet with him many times in ITALY in the late 50s to gather.
Information in interviews that were supposed to go into a movie. That was not never made and instead went into this book allegedly right. But you don't know out, and I think I I think I try to be pretty clear in the book too. There are, Things were never going to know the whole answer to I thrown from monkey wrenches and sending some weird little factoids that are woven into the fabric of the greater story. That's been talked about. You know, and even with Luciano dying in the arms of Martin Ghost, who wanted to produce a movie about his life there yeah date. It goes poison, ghost poison. You know what what happened. You know it okay, we're not really going to know, but I think I think, there's enough evidence to lead us in right direction. I try to put it in the book. Well, tell us a little bit of more
about that, without giving it away because there's the long term I'd never heard before the borders a cocktail. Yes, it's use it to a certain country, no doubt, but tell us a little bit more about this, because this this character, that used you spoke of a Martin goals does a little bit more about this anyway, okay, yeah yeah, I mean there are people that probably aren't aware this Martin ghost was but I don't want a small time producer, but he had a couple things under his belt in the fifties and Abbott Costello movie couple. Shorts He was actually introduced to Luciano through another man that I found by the name. He went by the name Charles Duke, who wanted to produce a movie and, in fact, and not to get off on some somebody. There were.
All this talk of producing a movie on Luciano's life in the early 50s that that Luciano himself tried to get done way before movie talk with Martin Ghost anyway ghost kept going to ITALY to meet with Luciano, told, handwritten notes we're going to do. This movie got received threats, allegedly from american Mafia, saying you know, don't you do this Lucy? and I said hey, you can do it, but not till ten years after I'd, I write a book so That's when one of the last the last meeting the two had was in an airport in Naples, Luciana was not feeling. Well that day, you just been interrogated on some drugs. Charges. He died of a heart attack in Martin, Gauches arms and ghost was interrogated. The tabloids thought that he, something in his mouth really. It was probably his heart pill B
This ghost knew had a heart problem you know again up for debate yeah interesting now you write extensively the basically the background at the time, historical backdrop, but also sort of the impact, the actual impact of him as a sort of a cultural icon. His influence, yes tell us what you really found enter, and that was not what you've had known going. Into the project. That's a tough one! That answer because all everything that I found on. Raised me personally. That's why I put it in there. I mean it's just but overall, I think the subject of him being a a drug. And later in life you are from the 1940s really on he was,
label is this international drug kingpin? Okay, that I did I didn't quite buy into do. I think he made money from it probably, but Was he this giant heroin and cocaine I I I have my doubts, but what I found really interesting was: two of the main a police in, instigators that were, after him. Anslinger in here, the these guys, I mean they were dead, set on getting Luciano it almost to me I interpreted as an obsession. And I I came to believe after researching this weather luciano- had anything to do with drugs or not. These two guys work trying to find a way to prove he did And when he got wins channel died the comments-
I put in the end of the book that Siragusa made are actually I would think quite horrifying in today's world. If someone had said this, I am sure you right, you know what I'm talking about it with right right, that's obsession, and that is the way they spoke about it. But again I only give it away. Luciano became the myth became bigger than the man. If that really answers the question to me, it was like wow does miss. Got bigger than the guy really was well like you talk about Anslinger, who was very very politically motivated, and people will know him from his crusade on marijuana and drugs in general right. He was a very, very visible and pie.
Powerful and ambitious political, this guy. So so you know everybody wants a piece of of the biggest person in the world of organized crime, including you know. The beloved polity oceans and lawmakers. So right you know he represented to success, for whoever would we're going to bring him down weather represented all of the drug industry period. He was really like the Osama Bin Laden representing terrorism itself, You know so. Well, it's a good analogy. He was he was made the poster boy, the minute he stepped into Cuba, uh they wanted him, they wanted him. They made him the poster boy. Tell us how how that happened. He tell he was in for thirty to fifty years. What I found interesting too, is that again it seems ironic what was
lucky Luciano's view on prostitution and then what was his charges and what was the sentence before explain how this sir, this route, how he made it to Cuba. Well. You would already mentioned about political motivation. You had a very ambitious man, waging war on the mob in general New York, and that was Thomas Billy. I don't I think anyone with a straight faced in and the man had the ego is big as any gangster, and he was very politically motivated. You can, after Dutch Saul, seems going after Levski. Blue cult then he wanted Luciano in in similar to the Capone situation, where you can Get him on what you know he's doing you find another way Capone. They got all taxes Luciano when he became the target. They decided
to go after him on a massive prostitution ring now Luciano. In answer your question always denied that oh, I would never have anything to do with prostitution. Well, then, I think we can all agree. Did any top? There was making some money off of every racket. Was he ate him in the? He would have been so insulated from that? I what happened is, is they ended up? Getting a conviction of yes. Thirty to fifty years, based on a prostitution combination is what they called it. He goes to jail and, and somehow somehow in a range and is made to really Luciano on the terms he goes straight to exile and ITALY. Uh what happened behind the scenes. We Probably never know, but supposedly it was because he offered help
in the war effort of the world or two, and he may have we're definitely meetings between the Navy and Luciano and Meyer Lansky and which lawyer and Frank Costello But- what really happened I put in the book. There are a couple theories, my honest what I think got him out of jail was, I think they had the the metaphorical. I on either Dewey or Jj, J, EDGAR Hoover and and I I do believe it's tear them an- I think that they made an agreement, said: ok, just get the hell out of the country.
I really do believe that there were they. They had something on one of those two guys well, yeah, that's a that's a bombshell. Now he is Sicilian goes back to ITALY. The US is not ITALY. So what do they do?. Eat. Well, he hated it. He hated that he was there. I I think, that's undeniable from everything. I've read it his own word. The man did not like it and he was quick to do the next closest things to coming to the United States, and that was Cuba. All his buddies party there they had. Obviously the gambling interests were exploding. He made his way to are lived in a hole. Tell for a little while and by one thousand nine hundred and forty six, he was firmly planted in.
Havana- and I had a great picture of the house- he bought that you know he ended up. He was settled. He was settled there until he was noticed and then what happened again. Politics collide in business collide. So what happens with was else well he's he first he started dating a socialite from New York who love publicity and a Havana newspapers were constantly, Following them around which he didn't like you know, he did not want to be noticed and then just call it fate. He was at the big, supposedly crime meeting of all the bosses to discuss many subjects
and they were carousing with women. Frank Sinatra: was there Al Capone's brother Ralph was there and a enterprising young reporter. Was in the area spotted him RD Article about it and Anslinger saw that article. That's what set it off then Anslinger decided Cuba if you're, bring him we're going to cut off all your legitimate medical supplies. Kick him out? Well, yeah, it's a pretty serious yeah, you know, I don't want not really give it away, but it shows you how politics work: the United States. Scared the hell out of the cuban authorities with this and it ends up. They never ever instituted the embargo. It was
with literally empty threats, but it worked. It got Luciano John, Did it Luciano deported and he was back to ITALY for good. And so he had. No, he really help no power exerted in no power from Sicily wasn't able to do any business when he went back so they say but it's the same time. Then we don't know what was he really doing over there? You know he opened rest, I'm. You know he lived modestly, I do believe it was either receiving money or was involved in something. I just don't think you quit you sure some guys do, but for the most part, it's another one of those unanswered questions. Will we ever know with Charlie really doing when he went back to ITALY later in life, and so.
What were all the? What was all of the controversy concerning his death was there? Did there was a lot of credence to the idea that the mob had something to do with this dates. Started. The tablets in ITALY started the rumors that he had been poisoned, that he was involved in a multinational, trade and had talk to the police. There were rumors again that the movie producer had poisoned him as well, and of course, there later came out that he him even speaking about a movie of his life caused mark to want to shut him up. There were so many rumors, but really when it came down to it. Basically the guy not in good health in
He died of a heart attack. That day. I mean I really. I really doubt that there was too much wiggle room in this. I think that he did but yeah sure, rumor, scatter and even interesting about the actor it going to play him in the in the legend movie. They were going to make this guy got threats. His family got right, so I do believe the MA Club in America and Sicily want. This movie to never be made because they even threatened the actor Cameron Mitchell. If he agreed to translate for the film so you're talking serious thought. They were going to kidnap his child yeah, the other and they They sent him letters that we're going to we're going to get your kid. So yeah. I mean these are credence to the threats. Of course, in fact, that
the first time in american actor has ever been threatened in that way, yeah it's incredible and It is a fast forward about the who knows, twenty five years, or so or thirty will say, and almost those things would be taboo seem to be now part of common legend and nobody's getting upset right right right. A lot of in that goes into what you were saying at the beginning of the shelf. There are a lot of things that understandably people who do know the story or if seeing some of the it was how can I say, crappy movies based on it. Trying to say, if we even go back to the school bars. One know the main story that everybody seem to love is the two warring mob bosses that Luciana was playing against each other or he was like a double agent in
one of them Salvatore Maranzano had his men, kidnap, Luciano Stringham up by his thumbs, took not and cut his face and throat and then left him for dead a lot people thought that was the story for years and years. I think it's the most probably Riddick list of the theories of how Luciano got his scars and survive the ride. I really think more realistically yeah, he probably was beat up by somebody looking for leg. Simon, and if it wasn't that it was somebody interested in why Ross theme was killed, a year before I I thought I'd buy more into those, but yeah? I mean all these decades later, and some people really think we could even talk about boardwalk empire. Great show love that show based once real thing, but when you think about it,
uh, you know it's it's a show. It's a show so leave it at that. You know that the truth is elsewhere, sure sure hopefully, in my book. We were talking just just a second ago about the movie sailfin and how serious did the mafia was in preventing this movie, so the poor it was shut down very very quickly. Obviously, that kind of threat does is going to scare off anybody, including Hollywood, but you have looked at that book and others that sort of well not sort of, but that study this subject there are scholars, will say of this subject matter. What did they
find in that book that didn't even body like you could understand why they will the mob would not want that said or is it? Was it just the Spirit of the book itself or was there something specific in that book that was covered in that. Look it's a really good question Dan and I'll, tell you what I could have run into the whole last testament, a lot, I I didn't. I just touched on why I wasn't using it because some of my colleagues have really I sected that book and why people were skeptical, that our our researchers and authors, and and law enforcement that new, not your. It was actually a combination. The spirit of the book yes, some of that dialogue just seem so I don't know Hollywood esque Ann
and a lot of the fact that we're given alleged facts were things that were actually proven wrong in, like FBI files, I mean in things that were said, that. Could have easily been seen in newspaper articles or things that were already there couldn't have been known at the time. It was just a lot of stuff that other people have done a hell of a job proving that work was probably a lot of. Yeah, let's take creative license taken, but you know back to the movie thing I will say there was, A film actually produced, then in the mid seventies find Harley different people that starred, rod, Steiger and Charl Siragusa. The cop that was really adamant about getting Luciano, played him
elf in it. Now how that movie got made without aggravation- I don't know, I don't I don't particularly I saw the movie years ago and I really personally didn't impress me much in general, but it's it's a weird irony: one gets every, right in the world in a couple years later, here comes another one with no problem at all. I don't know, but that's gangland legend. I mean all kinds of weird stuff. That's what entertains us! That's what titillates us! I guess yeah. Amazing to me wise. I think I've said this before I don't know if we've discuss it, if I, if we have, I apologize but but really how, when a person
watch is a lot of fictional stuff like I have about the mob. All the mob movies, of course, is super popular movies and sopranos in the series sure any watch that stuff and and when you do read the actual true stories. It's amazing how right from lifted from the pages, these things are the most entertaining and memorable stuff in fiction on these programs. These fictional accounts is not intentional whatsoever and most and all things it. So it's like wow. It's amazing going backwards that way and going oh there's there source there's their source and again nurse her source. Credible, since you mentioned, I really think truth is stranger than fiction. The adage is very, very accurate, I love this genre, this niche, whatever you want to call, because I just happen to love digging in in finding needles in a haystack which, which we, really talk about, but
I'll, throw this out there as well earlier question. We you would ask me about like one of the more fascinating things that surprised me are along those lines to be. Honest with you through the whole book the whole listing Dan I found was in interview with the actual cop, this town Luciano near death in nineteen, twenty nine on the side of the road that to me, may the whole thing because not only did it add to and then throw yet another monkey wrench in the theory of what happened to Luciano. It was Now I found this interview with him. It was. It was just a little
neighborhood type section newspaper article that guy was retired, it was it was a few months after Luciano died did some little local reporter in Florida goes to his. I'll sing interviews on any remembered it like. It was yesterday from nineteen twenty nine as a beat cop finding Luciano on the side of the road and what he says is actually me it was mind numbing, I'm I'm like this is great credit will start for, like you say, for a short little interview that could have been and was overlooked for years right and that in part, so much knowledge and shed so much light. That's that is you Eureka moment. It really was because this was not like a syndicated. Article, it was just a little. You know hometown kind of story on this guy and eight.
Just it yeah. It was the Eureka moment, as I was doing this book now, in terms of an I'm sure? My pro and I've said to a person involved in film that I know I said you know the only thing that's left is the true story of some of these mobsters. You know they've done the Bonnie and Clyde, and all those guys short on and they have done. Some stories about mobsters fictional accounts, but I mean I think the only things left is to take the true accounts and don't mess with them and you'll have a blockbuster, and I know there's been some There's been some, I guess, grips been written projects. I guess in the in the in the in the making. But my question is: what do you see In the future would lucky Lucciano in terms of uh, saying adaptation for film not agree.
Question Dan all you're, killing me! These are good. I really have thought about this too, Luciano. I they need going to put out they need to make a movie. In we need to do it. On more of the fact, and they need to do it uh They need to do it a million times better than most of these Bio pics are done You know I have some favorites too, that I know are not historically accurate. You know I'm not going to name names but there are some really great movies that were based on some of even Luciano's cohorts that are entertaining and wonderful to watch. I think you're right blockbuster. I think Luciano story, and I'm not just saying I wrote the book on it because I thought this already
Luciano story. Is worthy of a true telling and it's entertaining in of itself right there. You truth is stranger. Thank you. You don't need to make it up. Yes right in I mean I do think this left. Why? Why Why do you need to take? I mean unless they want and less they're compelled always have everything ended in a love story? right. You love story there constant, but if there isn't and that's proven? To that? You don't need that constantly other than that, I mean really. What kind of you can say it's a true story, and I don't see why people wouldn't clamored we'll see that, oh sure I mean, obviously in turn, as of making a film you We have to make a twenty seven hour film.
We capture it all on any of these guys, I think Luciano in particular, but if you're to make a two hour two and half hour, biopic really with somebody like him, you really we do have. Virtual ensemble cast of gangster that are equally fascinating. I mean you're, not you have no shortage of characters that are real and fascinating. You have no shortage of love stories. Sadness some comedy you name it it's in there I I agree with you Uhhuh percent that if they just look at it? That way and say yeah, I think it would be a hell of a movie, but I but that for twenty years before I wrote this book. You know, that's part of why I wrote this book because I visualize I'm doing it again. It goes back to the pictures, I'm very visual, and I write from that. What
looking at are envisioning in my head. I see a movie playing out then. I see you starring. I see you in a starring role, it's interesting yeah now what we didn't get into and I think we've got a little bit of time. What I thought was interesting is the power struggle, that's always been sort of dumb down for lucky Luciano and simplify it oversimplified. Obviously, but what I found one of the stories and he will be giving away the whole story that you cover, but it was interesting to hear about the the effort to try to bump off lucky Luciano at one time, with the twenty five thousand dollars up front and fit another twenty five. To finish, tell us a little bit about the
characters in the players in this little story. Well at the time yet for the overview Luciano had been running with, like dining, he had been working for. Arnold rocks the but he was really employed by Joe, the boss masseria. Who's the boss within a bitter war with s a cormorant. Luciano decide to play both sides, how he did it and I I do believe he He gathered a lot of his colleagues, jewish and italian. That agreed. We need to get both these guys so they took out Joe, the boss first, a few later Luciano goes to work for Maranzano, Zano, probably never trusted Lucia wore his towel if you knocked off my enemy, you
probably capable of doing it to me. So what the story goes that Maranzano hired a crazy gunman by the name of mad dog coll, now These are cold, was hired to show up at the office. And marathon was going to have Vito, genovese and lucky Luciano come to the office for a meeting where coal was going to kill them, problem was Luciano in his buddies, already got wind of it show instead of Luciano showing up. They sent one I believe was probably Bugsy, Siegel, maybe just honest it. Maybe SAM Red Levine. Four guys showed up said they were tax men walk The door lined everybody up the wall and then shot and stabbed Ameren, stuff and call
happened to show up to do his job sees what happened, turned around and left and supposedly was happy. He got his twenty five thousand up front and he didn't care anymore. If that's how, story goes. I I personally believe it probably went a lot like that: yeah, that's crazy, that you can't make this stuff up we'll, never know if that's what really happened, but there you go east. If that is truth, who could make
a story up like that. It's just incredible: yeah yeah! It's amazing, fascinating! Well, it's very much like this book and your take on lucky Lucciano, your in depth, research, uncovering new facts about lucky Luciano and just adding to the legend very fascinating, read, tell us about how people can contact you. If there's so interested, you must do the Facebook thing and have a website tell us how people can contact you if they have been so inclined after listening about lucky Luciano this evening. This store- I have my website- is gang land at legends, dot, com, I'm on twitter at us. The stallion c p, the stallion I'm on Facebook, Christy, cipollini you can
follow me. If friend me tell me you love or hate my work, I'm pretty cool with all of that. I, like spirited debate for sure and let me see what else well, I'm finishing up my third book right now and that should that should be out next February and my spokes on there. So if anybody's interested I'd, stop- find say hello. What is your? What's the name of your first book, I know I know what it is, but tell us about your first book and tell us what's what's the name of the project or what is the the new project, as you said, is coming up next March. Well. My first book was on Detroit hit Manchester Wheeler Campbell is diary of a motor city hit man that just a real are Campbell story. And my third book is at another one in the gangland mystery series. This one is on murder, incorporated yes Don Tasc. Indeed
it comes out in February. You can already see it on Amazon right now do for an early February release an it's going to be packed with a lot of really cool cool photos too, and some great side stories, I'm not rewriting murdering just like. I didn't want to rewrite lucky Luciano story: it's more digestible, more the fun but you know what it is: it's the filler Dan, if the filler it's it's the good stuff, that's the good stuff, it. Is it? Is it The crazy salacious tales in, between that's what it is. So there you go. I want to thank you very much for coming on and talking about lucky Luciano uh been fascinating and thank you very much, and we look forward to hearing from you again real soon.
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