You are now listening to true murder, the most shocking killers in true crime, history and the authors that have written about him. Gacy Bundy Dahmer night Stalker BT came every week, another fascinating author talking about the most shocking, an infamous killers into crime history through murder, with your host journalist and Arthur Dan Zawoiski good evening. Why do serial killers kill out of the mouths of serial killers by Arthur Mary Brett is as close as you will ever come discovering the answer and in the killers own words

in this one of a kind book author Mary Brett, corresponded with some of America's most evil convicted serial killers and asked just one question: why their return letters given insightful look into the dark might of each killer. The reader also will be able to scrutinise direct quote an editor from interrogation statement twelve test them media interviews, Emperor hearing inquest, so Five serial killers are included in the book. Some only known to the unfortunate victims, family, friends and community law. others are the most infamous in the annals of serial killers. All bios feature the crime, the capture, the victims and background facts. Crime scene photo some graphic are featured the book. They were featuring this evening,

is out of the mouths of serial killers, with my special guess, journalists than other Mary Brett welcome to the programme, and thank you for this interview. Mary Brett Thank you and thank you for having me on your show, thank you much rejoining. Let's talk about what prompted you right out of the mouths of serial killer. and I get asked that a lot not usually something you think to do. I'm a research writer I love to do research. This was my fault, I write about things that interests me in you. Play a very unusual thing through interests me. This is my first climb book, but I've always thought that true climb was much more interest.

Than anything, that's created a Hollywood. I was watching a documentary on tv about carry revolve, he's a flawed, a serial killer, and I was fascinated by the interview but I kept running the woman doing interviewed an excellent job back at one or her to ask why why I want my screaming at the television why we talked he talked about the crime. He talked about the punishment, a very cheap I mean he walked with a charming serial killer. That's how I know ingratiated himself with his victims, but never answered the question directly why he did it. I just moved far than he lives in five set on a boat in a letter, I ask: why and he answered, I wasn't a very honest answer. You I made a visit in prison which, at the kind mentally

I didn't write back very from the second letter, and the second letter was a lot more honest, but still still was not truly honest. So I sat down- and I refer to about a hundred serial killers- are looking for diversity and I wrote to about seventy and down, got return letters from from many agenda. I decided to do a book centred around that, madam, I also wanted to hear direct quotes from them. So I went Indeed, the research, as you have mentioned before Tehran. Interrogation statements dwell here is on media reports and basically perfect Germantown their mental attitude, why they did it from actually words that they said that's. Why entitle out of the mouths of Syria accounts? Ripe, though, can you give us an example of the basic letter that you Milton

serial killer in, and you also state clearly that the European Union, rather than being pen pals with these guys. So the give us the example of the basic letter there was mail to each serial killer. I'm gonna do this at the top of my head. Is I don't have it in front of me and better Claire, I told them, I will say, restore tried. I was working on my fourth book I was looking into. Colored, and why and why they killed. I told him I was not going to be either. H analyzing the crime nor forgiven the crime. But I did promise that whatever they wrote to me. Whatever letter I wrote to me would be produced a word for produce exactly as written. Nobody declaration, no censorship. And I mentioned that many things

in the press on misconceived, and this gave them a platform to accurately. Either apologize to the victim's family, to society in general and to do so in their own words, and then I find it and I suspect that letter. I am why, because you change, if I ask a postal companies, really good, bye, tell me about the particular serial killers actions, but that was the main letter I want, and I like they're, always being very honest in it, and I was hoping to get honest with answers. You talk about the these are not the serial killers that you did contact and the question did you did it did ask, and in the book you list that. Some of the killers are well known, and many of the killers are lesser known and then, when I went through this book

incredible. Some of the crimes. And some of these serial killers. That again lesser well known. So I think that the special interest and some of the correspondence. With some of these lesser known ass, ok! Well, let's go through the list of these serial killers in you. Book, I cant, do you want me to read the table? It haunted? I can do that which you bring up a very of course. You do you re export into your crime, but you bring other an excellent point. I had thousands upon thousands of serial killers to choose from The FBI says on any given day, there's the Tito hundreds you're a killer, walk among us that had not been caught yet, but I try to do it. The first sitting I tried to do some of the walk stars of the hero. A world. I tried to do some lunch, you know, I'm I get women I did I'm cousin,

they killed to gather relative to kill together our partners it killed together on a black white. I just tried to look for diversity and I tried to look for something in this situation. Other serial killer that really stood out, and I hope I get there I did about seventy. We have Charles, Frederick all by the eyeball killer, David Berkowitz son of SAM. Angelo bono and cannot, they aren't shared, have strangler large bitter. Enjoy the Toolbar Colors Daniel Blank, the river parish, Syria killer, William Boning Freeway Keller Gary Way balls, my first, the eye. Ninety five Keller, Jerry Barriers

the less killer and the shoe Fetish railway fires are? These are basically the names that the media gay arm gave them, I guess sensationalize, destroy her sails. Were you to be? You know the black widow, TED Bundy David Carpenter, the trail, a killer being quarter dog cart with Carol Bundy Sunset Strip. Kellers no issue no Canton TED Bundy being corral. Candy man Pied Piper on one Colonna, the machete murderer, trough con killer nurse, Jeffrey Gama, Milwaukee Cannibal,

James Divan GEO Michel Mc Cod Palm through, so the Jacksonville Florida serial killer Wayne for one of my favorites, Kindle Frances John Wayne gave a killer clown. Ah Gerald Galileo and Charlie Galileo, the sex slave murders At king, Christine Gilbert angel of death, Berlin, familiar the Kansas City, Strangler David Gore and Fred Warfield, killing cousins, rabbit, Hansa, the butcher Baker, William George High on the list of color, keep Jefferson happy face. Keller, Vincent Johnson,

the Brooklyn stronger, often known as the Winesburg strangler Janine Jones angel of death, Patrick Kearny, the freeway killer, trash bag murderer, Edmund Cab, Camper colored, killer, collect butcher, Anthony Kirkland, wearing declare the school called killer, and the freeway Keller can you can't jack Lex creep, Charles near Elena Lake, directly, the Khan, the bath and rude serial killer Bobby your long, the classified add rapist, Henry Lucas, the confession and killer big, more cat Blanche, more black widow, her Molly, worryingly Cody Neil Willie Picton, take farmer killer, Dorothy appeared

death, how flame landlady Dennis rather where'd. You save me the Bt K Keller, which denies the night Stalker Robert. Well, then the charmer Gary, which way the green ever Keller, Joe Rifkin, Danny Rolling gain Phil Ripper. Coming land? Now the cross country killer polish them Jeffrey Jamie, fly, killer, twin booth and Stephen spans gate, killer, twin Timothy Spencer, South that strangler? He was the first, a serial killer convicted and executed on DNA. We also have Stevens thank her Williams enough. The riverside cow catcher, California, prostitute, killer, We had married a penny, honest to Joe Dury, Chester Turner CALL watch the Sun

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covering starts with a calm paid for with Pennsylvania taxpayer dollars. Now, with this collection, you you had mentioned that the very first serial killer that you got a response from the very first part. My very first circular you wrote to was Gary RE balls. The eye five dealer You say if seven kills with, he confessed the seven, but they convicted of six murders of gay men. Let's talk a little bit about before his execution. Two thousand and nineteen You had correspondence with him. Tell us a little bit about great Gary RE balls, but especially about this correspondence. um they re balls was a charmer anti. He was not gay, he said he was not gay. I come you ve had a horrible life. He had asked her father

that was extremely abusive and thirteen. He left home and he immediately started making a living as a prostitute, male profit. Again, he's always kind. He was not gay, but he was very handsome. Like a charmer any regime on it. He is his letters were hit, while he's been in jail, he'd been imprisoned, convicted for almost twenty years. When I started writing him, so he had time to urgently develop on adult develop demeanor. I guess I caught the male you'll have to meet our data, fine god you're innocent or they are a cage parson it in one of the three there there always claim you debate, possibly its true who knows, but here he was pretty much into a changed part

an attitude and when he woke, but he could not be quite honest in it. His first letter was basically asking me to come and visit him in prison, so we could talk and it would bring money by large. They have been diminishing their don't forget that air and that it would ve come if you will come and do this. Can come and visit me then I will talk to you and it was my first letter- and I didn't really. I had no intention to continue her friendship that energy policy to be clear about that large. So I didn't answer and then I got a second matter and the second letter was the lot more honest own back, but he always had a

He could not say that he killed out of rage, which is probably exactly what it was and once he killed. He liked it absolutely like that. That fairly reason, a serial killer continues to kill us because they like it and psychologists like I just tell you that they like it, but he insinuated said that he was doing it because he wanted to clear the world of these people here. insinuating that the many killed a gay man he killed or pedophile, there was absolutely and through a bargain, investigating thoroughly each time it was ever note led back to this person ever being convicted or even on the suggestion. They were pentothal. Basically by friends and family accounts. They were kind, honest, generous people, kind people,

He would prepare and meet them in a bar pretend to either to be friendly and in nice and kind and considering economy with a handy man, and that for Remember why he would you know our success around the house, Anti man and then out of nowhere he would just watching them overkill just horrible death. He would have done things into their throat like lag six toys wherever on every everything one of his killed with overkill, and then he went on the Rhine. Any always said that he was never trying to do. The perfect cry begin care. If you get caught, he was just going to kill me people as he could before a court, and am, I think, probably his most telling comment was sad say, but it's not hard to kill somebody. You think it'll. Somebody pretty easy. If you have a mind for- and I think that pretty well

Why did it he has since been executed, stay Lorna? He was executed in August. Two thousand nineteen, fifty seven. Ah, he had been on death row for almost twenty five years. You talk about two: to provide the background for some of these killers, Romania's, what all of these killers molecule refute? What was internet- they were always what was the common. Our duty in the background of Gary RE balls, that you saw in many of these real killers. The two profile than this book were on the common text that I saw, many probably may was a horrible childlike. He he absolutely had a horrible counted, but there were many that had wonderful upbringing. Son of SAM was whirled ridiculous. Lay on the table

Charles outbreak. He was adopted at the ball wrought. We had before Gamble Intelligence, Gary re ball with intelligent, not extremely sobered intelligent. We have geniuses network that war and arc of zero growth, and we have those why Gary like, like gum, honest or who are borderline mentally challenge, before gambit we have people were boy and abject poverty on we have to that were convicted fear that had a million years I don't know your nerve Willie Pinkerton he's a Canadian is, it should form a cure and Margaret Resident there sitting sitting in jail millionaires. So

I walk while I would say, nature versus nurture that a bad background, trouble and school on setting fires cruelty to animals. Bed waiting. Yes, I know some psychiatry, fear some say no, but they were common in most of it, but you really could not say that that was the complete back into a complete profile, serial killer.

You talked about Wayne Item Ford or Wayne Fort, as you call him in this book. Why is he again? Favorite is not an appropriate so appropriate, but why is he of special interest to you? What is it about him? I'm glad it's probably a little bit bordering on my phone dark humour on Mainfroy he's Yves DE was convicted forty six Keller, forty six kills, but its very likely he did a lot more than that. He was a cross country truck, either. I almost caused country truck drivers are honest, hard working people just putting food on the table further damage. If you wanted to be a serial killer that with what you you what had to be in life to be a cross country truck driver would be the perfect vacation,

Kick someone up usually apply to come on without a lot of attachment, the community that if they go missing there not notice, you kill them, and then you drive to two or three four states over and you dump a body you're in a tractor trailer. It's like perfect here inside out of sight. Well, he I guess, there's probably way forward is now you would classified. insane. He is in San Quentin elements. Khatami sits in the jail, he won't take a bath use naked. His long Harrison capped, and that's probably why you ve never been executed. He may have been spiralling into instead and I d when he walked into a police station.

In nineteen January with a severed woman's blessed in his pocket, and he put it out on the table of the officer in charge so that they would have no doubt that he had killed this woman. He confessed right there his martyrs of brutal, actively brutal and they mural he mutilated on some of the sick. they don't even know who they wanted, because she was badly need. I didn't some American out on, but he felt the urge to do that now. I don't know. I just thought that that caught my attention Peleus most Anthony you write what I didn't had read this back previously, the term. Through a tape there was played a court order. Part, may the Tipp of his arrest. He engaged in erotic a fixation with up to fifty women, but He said: oh yes or died buddies.

Has not able to revive them, so he did do have evidence that he? U Cpr, to revive these women, that he was a fixated yes, but that's the story. You know that its historic, although we did have a girlfriend said that was part of you know what the reason she loved him, because that was what he enjoy doing do in fact, but he also said there was no struggling to no pain inflicted upon victims. All act and activities were consensual, anything that might have appeared to be paying for. or to withstand path, though with a post mortem, but when he was asked about the severed breath during enteric should. He said, amazing. That quote, that's just the tip of the iceberg.

I heard a lot of people. I hurt people, that's why you guys have to keep me so now, I'm not seen at serial killers They have killed, someone that maybe they don't show remorse arm. Possibly that would be his case. There is more symbolic when you walk in, and you turn your doubt and a new make sure that they never let you go the date. They lock you up, but it doesn't stop them and what psychiatry will agree on and they gonna agree on much psychologist. I care

She put him in a room and there's going to be a hundred people. That's gonna be seventy six different opinions, but they do agree on one thing that once a serial killer starts killing, they will not stop killing until they themselves were killed or their incarcerated. That's why I was not a proponent of the death penalty of why won't this book? I dont think I thought about it, one way or the other, but after writing this book, I'm very much in favour of the death penalty. Very myself because of it a serial killer, escapes brazen TED Bundy did escaped why they will keep Kelly TED Bundy did his last victim after he escaped a second time. With the twelve year old school girl, she was walking home school. That was her only crime. So I see no reason that the death penalty, especially with DNA now society. Ninety four dna has been able to positively connect

a murderer to the crime at an official killers case is not just present on one day its president on multiple becomes an entire Algeria appears, and now it has to be all too well that sentence a person to death and not be a majority on the arm of the jury. But Jerry, the tears and all twelve have to say guilty and dawn Capital martyr is warranted. I don't see why that should ever be overturned. Twenty two states now have abolished the death penalty, in Virginia S. Getting too is looking like it's going to be the twenty third state and abolishes the but California had abolished it when Manson on and Robert Kennedys assassin fat US effort on, were able to sit on death row.

Their life because they had abolished the death penalty, they now have it, for you stated for how long I don't know. Well, we could go into a list of our talk about people, not being executed in California for years and years and the basic and equity of somebody putting a tool- another state line m them, basically, knowing that they will be released some day or were very, very good, possibly whereas the other where they came from would have a death penalty. I would put him to death quickly relatively low remark about some of the crimes that make people at least contemplate the death penalty and its effectiveness. You, you include, Fred Water Field and David Gore to killing cousins and, in fact, Fred Water Field wrote to you in two thousand, and sixteen talk about a little bit about Fred Waterfall

David Gore, but especially again. The correspondence that you got from Fred Water filled in what he had said to you. The killing covers an, and they were very some answers. They turned on each other.

In court, but the day on which they were to book in opposite people, you had gone, who was never popular school kind of a geek on just dumb emerges, just a loser, and then you had wanted field who was handsome. He with a football star on his father, had a top job and NASA he had everything in the world going for him. He was a popular with peers and teachers, but when they got together for some reason, the combination with gruesome they would pick up on they had fixed killed between.

I believe, the fixed out between them and they were pick up young vows and they would write them and torture them. It is absolutely I can read you the letter from accurately the latter from from some Fred warfare, Let me give you an idea of what effect on receipt of your made twenty first letter at. I pray that find you in your. Well, it has been on my mind, is how to respond to your request. May I suggest that you look into the study made By Samuel gotta dies. The criminal personality volume gave on a MAC published his research in this field, but it if you would see what you can find before he passed away. He left quite a bit of research with the floor today I see prisoners or the development of a treatment programmes so

I don't even have an idea what he say there, except that he is on this lady into here for next year, and if you can figure out you're better than I am, then he said you are far from the first research rider to broach this subject with me. I cannot tell you how much documentation that has been sent to them and the profoundest believe of how these events curve and fall without the true finally coming out of the bag. For what ever we, They decided not to write the story. It didn't surprise me because they realize I have absolutely no incite the criminal dance of David Gore, based on the testimony of iron thicken witnesses. That testimony is your boy was visible evidence along with a foreign asked me of both state prosecutor's. If you would like,

examined. Some of this material priest. Send me your email address habit for to you. I only pray that you can figure out how to use its information to contribute important clarification

the public Mary? May I ask you if you have a close personal relationship with our father, who is in Heaven Jehovah God? The reason I asked this question if you may not be able to understand the gap of my belief based on scripture as the conclusion of the system of things progressive, nothing, the man had to say is beneficial in the clothing truth or the heart of the matter. I have come to understand that no man or woman can defend themselves. It is only through the testimony of the people who are material witnesses or actual physical evidence that defines us. But what happened when the information is withheld disclosure to the actual fact finding juries, the actual fact finding jobs?

to this end. It is they are to this day, just like Jesus Christ was please think about that. If you decide to go forward with my research in this matter, sincerely Fred, so in other words his innocence, He also said everything happened, gave a girl was the one who did everything eyewitnesses do not count on forensic does not count. He's now. Jesus the Lord and he's totally innocent. Any hope that my research will help clear him. This a very typical this very typical. By them, then he was used to getting everything he wanted in life.

or wasted dumpy fat euro, overweight kid. Nobody like your skull, Fred, one of whom was handed everything he came from an excellent. I am like he was a good student. He was actually use the big Don't camphor the teachers adored him here call why they had given doing he threw it away, but now he thinks he wants a recurring. He wants a gift given back home again shall had his own, pretty typical on the innocent ones. Randy crap. I mention this. He was pulled over in California by the California Highway patrol two officers poring over, because with driving a radically he was drawn in the front seat of his car was a man get

his pants, pull down around this ankles covered in blood stab wounds, and there was a bloody night sitting between between craft and the victim and cramp was also covered in blood. They found in his home pictures of other decease man, city, on his couch to this day. Randy grasses he's innocent and he is actually a genius typical and the railways persecuted in their always innocent, but is as an opportunity to start for. Second, first, after which is ritual. We deserve to know what we're putting in our bodies and why, especially when it comes to something we take every day rituals clean, vague. Unfriendly multivitamin is formulated with high quality nutrients in by war. Saleable formed your body can actually use what you won't find sugars, gene

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this crime, and also- and also his correspondence with you you well Here- is certainly not Tom. He couldn't my favorite only because he was so rude an egg. I found a kind of amusing, he can kill yourself declassified rapist, he was take that point nor for making a dysfunctional door absolutely he's married mother was mentally unstable and but she was very sexually permissive and he she would bring through the house continuously- and he slept in the bed with her till he was fourteen years old easily. He developed on a career hate

women, his mother first and then that escalated to to all women and on the very deep hatred, the typical scenario, our man just isn't just had loved no respect. Poor woman. He was also borne with an extra ex chromosome offended at puberty heated breast and white hands, and so he was already a very unpopular boy. Had not public school kicked one and seven this happening even personified a year. Is the ability to make friends or to fit in all? He never did he get married, but he didn T married long. He married a teenage by a night. I can quote him here,

but some of it is a little bit graphic. I dont know. If you want me to do that will grow. He was. He could give a better choice between getting get fingering heart and you know she's gonna pick, you know what she's gonna pick and say. Then he said to when he was caught. He said mostly, I did a thrill of it and then, when I ask how many he just said, that's my secret. I'm gonna go my great with it. But when I went with him a ladder, he was very much needed to be in control. Had no control is like a child, he had. No control is like school, had no control marriage because with little,

Why? The quite so you you would bind Indian had to be totally fell. The letter he wrote without everything had called totally control. Ah, I wanna after no, I do not want to participate in your project or to be included in it. There is already more than a now applies out their written blood, sucking parasites and women. wanna, be authorised trying to profit of other people paying people's paying. So you know my lawyer are preparing to take legal action against several. These mention the bad, including the flowers cow, two things I've made a clear out of spreading, lies and analysed she ate a bull shit about me and my life thanks. It. I've never been testified about or put on any record anyway

because they are all eyes and bull shit, all only to only two available from cops and prosecutors trying to act like they have all the answers. I advise you to be careful what you write about me and unless it is part of it What records not write anything at all unless you to want to be part of the legal action I mentioned. Leave me alone. Do not write anything about me at it, but by that is that is his response. And again you are you just Ask him if he would like to give you haven't, bought form came up, Guys aren't you talk about? Did you

Overall, the author serial killers into approached how effective or how successful, where you were posing that question of why I would say when I first, my first words stir riding through the serial killers. I was now. I really thought that after you know, they read the letter and they realize you know. You know what but he had offered quite frankly, is in you is a chance to have their words published on, even if it wishes for their own fate. To read some time it down the road, maybe your grandchild, you with not even worth questioning being the often bring direct descendants of a serial killer, so I was expecting some heartfelt responses. He knows that Kosovo is expecting the ones that, like rain clouds,

He never going to be a guilty totally innocent, even though you ve caught with a dead body and several pictures of dead bodies. But I was not expecting what I've got. What I got word vague answered, vague round about things, but what I learned to do was connect their crime. and they're on their crime the latter and personalities, the latter that wine each?

segment or zero cool. I included the climb. The capture. The background is, I think, the background is extremely important and also some other additional facts than I thought I would add to the picture the complex picture of a serial killer. So, for instance, did you how someone like Grandeur Ogier rebel, here's a charmer, that's how he got his victim see charm them his letter was Johnny. Is it very charming on? If you have someone what Bobby go on, who hated women who had to be in control, then you would get the kind of ladder say you re, but was able to attach too, but we are talking about criminal psychopath.

I don't have a conscience. They absolutely do not have a conscience each other serial killers, father victims as merely an opportunity for their own enjoyment. There is no most of the time a serial killer bit someone as a total stranger they're, not angry at the person. The person is not done. long, it's not a rage, killing! It's got done and take what patriotic reasons or care if it is done through sheer pleasure occurring so they're almost surprised. I think there with my plan after reading, although there almost applies that you would ask them, why did it do it because or even condemned enjoyed it cousin of mine. Quite frankly, I guarantee they don't think they ve done anything wrong.

You have included some, as I mentioned earlier lesser known and very interesting, to say the least, with high with high kills twenty four to forty three suspected Patrick Kearny he's not the column freeway color, but rather a couple other cereals, three up on their already album total yeah and again very much like some of the more serious serial killers this guy's. Necrophilia away. We would then he asked member them in his home and God remains in very various remote places and again this one is iq of a hundred eighty. So this is a genius again

is absolutely I'm, he and burning and dumb and others o one or sit californian tranquillity, and they play cards, aims to gather all geniuses one. I think one of them that nobody has ever heard out on its core want he's a black serial killer and by the way, the as yet the file that we originally think of the third pillar, white male between the ages of twenty and thirty and alone is totally totally off, because we have now, in this trade in America we had more black serial killers. How would you like to charge an charm? most are not wonders. Mostar appear pillars, able to maintain a relationship. There are married

they ve been married and divorced would have had a long time girlfriend, so we have to rethink either the serial killer. Motif. Ted Bundy was the first serial killer that that the tag with put one serial killer, because society needed. to understand what was going on inside the profile hours came up with a based on TED Bundy. I think a kind of continue that, but we have to rethink one of the most there are killers is quite a lot to black serial killer and he has at least eighty killed to his name. Eighty point: they don't know how many killed he doesn't know how many he killed. Ted Bundy doesn't know how many kill for that matter. The coil watched killed at least eighty people, and he is sitting a Texas prison.

But he almost what free. This is another one of those infidels where you have to question our law on taxes was her jailed for over one in eighties, because of the drugs coming across the mexican border, no Borg along and dumb, so they passed a law mandatory. The law. Ninety, seventy seven through ninety seven that the other prisoners, would have a mandatory early release you every day, day. Well, good behaviour or day on they fail to admit, fallen offenders and at I was not noted until nineteen eighty seven on coral watts, as well as, another woman, serial killer, you there, She she was,

angel of death kill children. They were both said to go free those sitting in both zero killed. Sitting in jail and she had eleven to forty. Six kills a children s shoulder. I admit they amended the law back. Thank goodness these two serial killers had edition A murder said they had not been, and other states took over unconnected, and so they did not want free, but many valid criminals in Texas Block three objectives: without a very much a law and order state. So the bureau justice says seventy percent seventy six percent of all things I will return to jail within five years in most on the crime escalates, Ingrid Cravat Adam and seriousness each time that they, so these two zero Georgia

now at least kilowatt, could have continued killing in OECD good. He said if you, let me out I'll kill again. You have a couple other. what I find particularly horrifying when one serial killer can somehow have a conversation with another end and vacant strike upon most mutually agreed, murderous I bet your hobby, you feed James, the video and Michel, my shod she's up. This is a couple: the abduction, rape and torture and murder in a converted Van Now this We talk about the even raped, her own daughters and so the, ever kill platform plus, and what was the letter to you. What was what was said in that letter from James to you, I'm let me get a he probably be empowered to say who came the closest to be an absolute.

we at least somewhat honest about what what you know about why you did it. I would say that Jean Valjean was that person get to that. His letter just boring. little bit of honesty to it. This is the couple that was influenced by the salaries sex slaves you also include Jerome, Charlene Gallego, so yeah I'd sir. They day on they, they have only have four, only four plus that does sound jaded on my part, but I've been seeing review and people would have over a hundred killed by on it's like they find each other. Discover that Kyoto, on that it's the kill, in most cases the woman

access to the male and she will actually I'm proffer point the victim in and in this case, Michel preferred women over men, and together they were awful, they tortured and- and she was more violent than he was absolutely want island than he was on. They re currently seventeen victim. They can possibly more again in view of their victims. They did not kill, but a statistically assaulted work our their daughters by different either marriages each of their stepchildren on thereby sentenced to death? that really read his letter out. I've found that again, it was, as probably is, on its knees. Dear Mary, I'm not really sure

why I have decided to write you back other than you included itself addressed stamped envelope and he should know they had been to books written about me. In both cases I did not write to either of these writers. I believe that he meant to say did not, but I put it in exactly ass. He wrote it. I have never understood those who commit crimes and later try to get justification justification for trying to explain why they did it like that, would make it all ok no one cares. My person killed someone, no matter what you say I can never. It can never be right. I am sorry that it made me laugh that society would care what I have to say in closing. Yes, all who take a look, I should share the same guilt being more help. Sincerely James idea

get out here that part in their on. Yes, they should all share the same, get out his letter with one I did it to people commit a crime. Do you think one is more guilty than the other and in this case was Michelle. the guilty than you are, or were you less costly than she was so that added I thought that was his closest any alarm over the very thought. We still do not see why he did it, but at least he sounds arm. Elysees accepted responsibility and I thought When I asked you to let you hide, you know why you did it that he thought that was very funny.

society would not care, and I think we would, I think we all would care about why they did it. His quote tell a little bit more. He said to her. I in fact did not kill me Samson that was going to retard boycott transport, a beautiful young woman that they tortured tour hotel, promised to let her go then took her back out. Retorted cure. I in fact did not kill me. Sampson by law is guilty of her death as Michel it. Do I care? I feel permit Samson yet watching your family. Unfortunately, I have never seen large, as you all have for her. Yes, I think of it. Every day there was something he said in court because

apparent, showed up every single day, motherly showed up there and he was basically saying that to the parent. You talk about a person name Anthony Kirkland, and this is five kills. He you approached him by letter and he had some conditions before he any question answered tell us what that condition. Wasn't very much like some of these guys have that, but This is a very interesting real killer. I had not heard about so tell us a little bit about Anthony Kirkland, but first the what was his demands and condition Yeah, I know he knows of another black serial killer, that you know. Most people have not heard about when we get to whom he

and it was the first and only one that wish that they said to demands. But I thought is particularly interesting. He wanted the ok twenty dollars worth of tv equipment. He did. He dared and in a very specific he had printed out be actually them form in everything. From the back of a magazine, I think, basically I could give you anguish, Bearded Anthony Kirkland. He had five killed before the signal, an he stole from each of them before he killed them in that part of it was wrong.

The latter is were on help me with what I want. I will. I will help you do what you want and unthridden exactly as they would it help me with what I want. I help you what you want it for me. We can help each other, it's your decision, Biniodatus the tv and remain, but he even said one of his quote in court. Is I cannot believe how horrible I am on it? It was. It was the vicious crimes athlete vicious crimes, because last victim was

Thirteen year old, seventh, greater jogging, your home, she been strangled, lower portion of a body was set on fire, some less likely. She was right and he was apprehended sleeping near the scene of the crime of girls watch and I bought out. He had three of any more at the time of his arrest and that's the prizes me with their many of the serial killers. But this is not the first brush with the law. They don't walk out of work. start going people, they have gone crime before and many of them from the leaders of the court. There went out before their sentences have an arm, and then they re offend. They go back in their led out again or their killer probation. Other probation officer do not keep up with them they're out on the street and highly body, and that you know the ultimate Myrna dangerous thing. In this case too, we did

talk about for all and in the death penalty. But in this circular Casey had choked a girlfriend unconscious and set on fire alive air. Because she wouldn't you, refuse the sexual advances, but he was given a twenty year twenty five year sentence, but he was out in sixteen. and the world in two thousand and four by two thousand and five rested again for rape of a neighbor. He would he built a detached charge not guilty and from you say from December, two thousand, Two to two thousand and nine March: he sexually assaulted, murdered and

the bodies of two women into young girls in Cincinnati areas, like you say the lad. He heard them. Thirteen year old, kidnapped tack, strangled and set on fire. So definitely his behaviour. His actions were noted and should have been recognised for those psychopath II. That was evident there. Yet he was because of the court's. He was released in sixteen years of that twenty five year sentence. soon after continued in his murderous ways. Many of them did so many of them do even even after he was convicted of two death sentences and to life sentences. Ah, that was in two thousand and ten and major Catherine succeeding with granted. A recent hearing, I hope,

oh hi, of Supreme Court. He again, we see the death penalty, but on many of these serial killers, many of these they they go through every single appeal. They can drag. all, through the court system charge millions of dollars of millions of dollars in a guarantee clause, bake it requires and they have to be defended in court by page prosecutors, dissenters on it. I can't remember exactly which why why one big it with millions of dollars this I want to send it, chart a course, the California Ok and one arm, and though one rapporteur said California appeal code oughta be put on trial after this one, because the English is ludicrous. Actually ludicrous finished frivolous continuously being born,

I am in. They can do that and in they can appeal I'm a large pay sometime, I have to be waged in its many had to be written in Florida when they went on farm the court said that all twelve had to say the death penalty was warned it not just, The majority in Canon LAW says so many of them dependent on death row had to be respected, but people don't stay on death row for just a year or two days constant decades. well before their executed, and these are even in states that have the death penalty is so again. I question that some

I do after this. What is the need for that? If you were convicted in a court of law Uribe appears in the dna evidence. Is there the multiple bodies have wrapped up? You? Have you have given the death penalty to several people year? Hundreds of people, in some cases hundred or more. Why should you not receive the same Kennedy and swiftly and we want to get into that whole debate before I let you go, we want to talk about it family, again, lesser known serial killers that I discovered in reading in this book, Timothy Creature or crash here participation, but this is nine kills and you right did he go away with murder for thirty years and dna at answers. He was only caught after that? Thirty years

obviously the annual brutal rapers than killer and, in fact then another situation where he was sentenced to twenty five to fifty years for two raped and attempted murder again serve thirteen years and was paroled and nineteen. Seventy six so again. Another prime example bad example of the judicial system, not recognising or not being able to have the ability somehow to keep this person incarcerated. He was actually in jail. When you finally admitted to argue, DNA came back to eventually he confessed denying murders and numerous assault and agreed yellow took the death penalty off the table, but it was an until two thousand, and indeed the inhabitants Lincoln to crime, to nineteen eighty to murder. He was already in place for charges,

I do think you know an overcrowding in prisons can lead in many cases to arm to them being let out early or again a person in jail will say that day. You know that they were good learned. Our lesson basically paraphrase born there. but in jail. You are in an environment where you have to learn your lesson. you're not out on the street, but most people Let out of jail. Seventy five percent will reaffirmed and usually at a higher level of crime than what they were. originally charge for so when we led by Britain out early within it, stood certain crime. Let them out early their say three out of four we're gonna see again, back out on the street committing other crimes. I dont know what we were due to correct it, but it does seem.

There certainly is a lot of possibilities to get a better system justice system, and we probably have the best justice system of anybody in the hall all certainly affair justice system by come, it doesn't always work. Certainly I think because you have the cycle party of these unique killers. You also have the ability for them to be able to con floorboards psychologists, prison staff. So not underestimate the again the ability of these killers to be able to charm Norway, even on a prison. Oh, what a good example of that is a camera I used to cover a killer covered butcher arm. He has been killed. It he's. He was absolutely

the brilliant and he played brag about it. How you play the psychiatry he shot his grandparent when he was sixteen a shot, his grandmother and grandfather budgets in cold blood and dumb. He went to a middle offered. He was branded criminally insane juvenile, but he was released at age. Twenty one are you with pronounced cured. He hated his mother. He would sit back His mother, even though the psychiatry years later day, that's a. She walked for college, any ended up killing coloured, and I think it is a direct relation to just getting back to honey, ended up killing her ah and her best friend agenda, but he he, he admitted that he just played it. He was born. The red book than on he displayed, unlike a fella

And tat he was sentenced to life. He ceased even California. Medical facility now button here is a great you're right. He was a great example of someone who was able to play the plague. Very few serial killers get off by not guilty by reasoners of insanity. The engineer I am because there, the legal definition is going on come on and it is a killer. Air or any murderer tries to hide it. Basically, they know that it is obvious that they know right from on item he he was some. He certainly was able to play. It ended He should never ever been out on and on a woman would be alive was even if he had not been released.

I want to thank you so much Mary for coming on about your book out of the mouths of serial killers. This is a wild blue press release and you have an Amazon page that people might refer to. I gave him to marry back on. The book is out and candle account in print Let me out in audio ah Aragon, available in Apoplexy cobra books too, and thank you for your blog for wildly progressed. I publisher is an amazing on trial crime, publishing company. So I'm sure my readers know about it. But if you don't, please check them out their amazing publishing company and thank you D. Thank you so much

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