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Father Amy Particular covers the curious case that left two men dead and the incredible story still surrounded by controversy, speculate and myth. in nineteen. Eighty, two tony Western, every Brok made a visit the notorious copsewood manner under the pretence of celebration. They brutally murdered their hosts doctor, I'll, scattering companion, joy autumn, built the castle in the woods in tray on trial. Just after scatter left his position as professor at low, Yola University. He brought with him. twelve thousand doses of lsd rumors, drug use and Satanism swirled around the two men, Scott. even claim to summon the demon to protect the estate The murder set the stage for a trial, vibrant with local lore. the book there were featuring this evening. Is the corpse would manner murders in North Georgia with mine

I shall guessed what Our attorney and offer Amy virtue that welcome to the programme, and thank you very much for this interview. Amy, be thank you so much Thank you for having me, Thank you so much. This is incredible, as we just discussed before the programme, They perfect episode but for Halloween in close enough to Holloway, and this will have to suffice for all those people that think they are Everything. Let's start off, It's just your your background, because you are familiar with this course with case from as Europe It from both a legal and apparent normal standpoint, tell us about your legal career and how else you are connected to this case. I thank you and I practice Laufer

twenty years in burn, look at mountain judicial Circuit, which is in the Northwest corner of Georgia. I started out in the days office and began hearing about this case from day one. It Meda not just big news around that area? It actually made international news and they I continue to talk about it for decades later and up to the present day, when, when I've been placed for twenty years. I decided it was time to do something else. I returned then started Chattanooga ghost tours, and at that point started hearing about the case Rahman entirely different angle the thing like the perfect, but for me to write on you it from both such an absolutely

now tell us a little bit to use you the setting for this story. You talk about Chattanooga Tennessee, but tell us about where this little sleepy little town of Trion Georgia is population. One thousand seven hundred tell us where it is. Try and is a very tiny town about a half an hour from Rome, Georgia, above Rome and about an hour from Chattanooga, then too, to recount Eu Georgia and very sleepy a little town with a lot of all passion people in it What did you talk about it? Weird thee? Obviously we are talking about the courts, would manner murders but also The area is really famous born. You talk about this paradise garden, envy! This nationally known folk artist, Howard Finster tell us a little bit about time.

Legendary person from this area. Well, when I first started practising law, averages back and eighty six Howard Finster, but not known as a poke artist. He was known as the crazy street. Preacher out there on the poor health steps and will someone please make him go away from here he's often run around town as the bicycle repairman. He was actually very nice man, but here he didn't start doing art until he was six years old. I believe when He said he heard a voice from God that tell them to paint sacred nay said I had a pay and the we tell them, how do you know so he decided to give it a try, pulled out a dollar bill left about now get up on a piece of work. And drew His first picture of sacred art, which

where the drawing of George Washington and he's been do an art ever since he he felt like. He had a mission that he had to get a certain number of pieces of art done and every piece of art you'll find that he does if a number on it to number in the end the count- He apparently falling out at last piece Pisa, put on in and died. Around the time mother weird happenings were going on in this area. now he he achieved. Some international fame also provide some power plants, rock bands in the eightys as well the right I'm like that he is becoming too internationally known folk artist has been feature that business Tony and even before, but part of that is because he was put on

the cover of some albums by talking head and I so After that, you know it. His fame just sort of blew up, which was really not his intentions, I sincerely in a lot of people started coming around they heard of him from mad and- and you know, Howard him, he wasn't the tiger to be overwhelmed about anybody's reputations, though you know did matter if they were paymaster. If they were, nobody tells me other welcome, come on, come on end that camp out on front wall if they wanted to. But, that's how he saw me he that a couple of pieces of his art put on the covers nope. You write about some other in credit. crimes that happened and you talk about the fall of nineteen. Eighty two with Judith Melian husband, album and kidnapped a thirteen year old, LISA and Milkin

tell us a little bit about this and a couple of other ones, including. while a little bit about the Tri state, crematory and envy Heyward Bissell and his crimes. Look I just do what I invite the small area in the crimes that occurred there and I am a little bit because I'm really clear and the way the, but when that coming out in it finished version my idea is: there was something really weird going on tat have small of account. Seventeen hundred have This many fear yoke. Growth and really really bizarre clients, and I thought it had some some connection with this case in and they all stopped when how Finster Died- I published, Sir said no, can't write about. You know-

but you haven't here, you have focused on corpse, wouldn't you can only a tiny bit about the others that that's why you only see a little bit about both in it is whether in their data neatly, was the first the youngest woman ever to be sentenced to death row in the United States. She had been an honour student She had never been in trouble before, and then she married this guy MR nearly and he was much older than her. some time in our after. They like they traveled around. Will they get some some small canna nonviolent climb. But then sort of after they they can't see were came through to the county things sort of ticket. different turn, and I did some of the worst murders that that I've ever heard of

One of them was a murder that that occurred. You know it still the county, another one that has a connection which took account, but I think the motor itself actually happened down in in Rome. The little girl, namely familiar can LISA. Was thirty years old. She was an, I guess, what would have been called a home for wayward girl sort of back then I had a bad situation at home and, basically, what they did they kidnapped or from a mall. And raped her multiple times Injected her with dry now shot her and through her body off a cliff well for no apparent reason than than other for fun,

someone said to be doing this. You never been accepted. Any kind of trouble for anything violent before was just unheard of Howard Bissell, likewise never been in trouble before in his life now Howard, one gets a frantic, but the never engaged, saving violent. he kept down from Ohio wherewith from with his girl. Who was a little pining girls who left them than a hundred pounds and He was a great big guy, like four hundred thousand pounds and the voices and its head were given in directions. He was supposed to be on its way to Florida, but somehow he went up and try and Georgia, which is On the way to Florida, and he likewise engaged in one of the most bizarre crimes that that you ve never heard of him. he killed his girlfriend cut up one on the other leg.

Chewing on one of my fingers during his play. In our view, He had engaged crimes in that same spree and I kept mother people kept from dogs. Whatever again He had try, Georgia and just someone took over in the There was another murdering there beside the corpse when one that I think I talk about and then also be tried. They crematory wishes, I made some international knew that the one where they abandoned the bodies all over the place had some connection with this case and that the bodies of the victims and corpse would we since you were tab, traffic a Tory and it was them, is actually right. After Howard, Finster I mean immediately after that the police first you ve been out. There are multiple times before never saw any of these bonds over the play, suddenly, like a curtain lifted from their eyes and an they discovered this crime so loud, weird, I have gone on connected, will try and the other S

economically to have that. Many bizarre horrible, mere murders and and cases and such a tiny town. Yes, absolutely, though you talk about that The story starts in eighteen, seventy six, but will go further than that too, Charles Lee Scatter, who was born in eighteen, twenty six when you say which was unusual forces parents attended university. I tell us a little bit about some Charles least gutter. and a couple of his marriages, and since before we talk about how we act up in a mention in Chicago I well. Like I said his his mother, What college educated, which back in those days was a very unusual thing and Charles was always sort of there unusual guy. I compare him and my book too

after draft the mire- because you hear some willing vastly different perceptions of mere everyone says that he will accept. tracking and very likeable one of those people who, with automatic hypnotic and in their speaking man or some people, will will squire them as being sinister, whereas others say you know now he was more like the beloved affable uncle next door, just fight with the with care, from the Nutcracker, where you get really bizarre different description but am Charles had gotten his degree he did get married, To briefly tell woman name. Kilburn Hazel it that way. Very brief, narrow,

and then Here he married bore bunting, who is Actually, the daughter of an internationally known poet they had four children together and I have looked at and I cannot find anywhere a record of any divorce between them, but they both went on with your lives as if they were the Boers dope. Maybe there's a decree out there someplace and I just can't find it. I know that got married in a simpleton after that bad. Moved her at Chicago. He gathered in some art he decided to go back to school, get a Phd in farm ecology and then later he was the co director of the institute. for the study of mine, drugs and behaviour? the seventy so in a week and cannot bigger outcomes, experimentation. Those books were doing but, like us everyone always city with an eccentric. He

that is fair purple. He had a pet monkey in out of the water but like that. Everyone always would describing it as being very nice guy with a lotta charisma. it is important. We too, I think, as you right, though he is important. I think that you are right that the unorthodox professor did government funds experiments with psychoactive drugs and, you believe, were used They believed to be include, lsd, It is very important, as we see in the story right because there, The three tubes, the bailiff day, which I had tabled, for they would have about twelve thousand doses. We both had opera had government labels on them and they don't just hand those out on the street to anybody, and I considering he was with us with his wife and they were doing psychoactive experiments, it only me

sent that's where he got the the lsd. That was government, great Gub government labelled LSD. we're getting ahead of ourselves. So, let's let's talk about, though he did these experiments. He had moved shortly after moving to Chicago Charles met Joey Autumn tell us a little bit about Joey Autumn and how they have They met in a little bit about Joey Autumn's background. Ok, with with highly highly intelligent, Jerry was very different from him in I'm, I'm not saying that he was a bright, but join never had the chances of opportunities that child there, like the Charles came from a well off them will be able to go to college, and I think Joey only had Didn't finish. An elementary school education. I believe either and it's not what people want

we'll say that they were partners talking about like almost a man. Wasn't really that kind of relationship, and I think you can caught a partnership but but but that same kind they got along really well. They stay together for decades, but they were also free to have their own relationships with other people. But when I talk to different people about Joey the word that to for me when I think of them is its faith in almost Like an other worldly, worldly creature, fairy like that he would. play peekaboo and things like that in and thank you not usually see grow. People doing, and I have heard some speculation about whether he may be might have had been properly from autism spectrum or something

but he he definitely was not. One who would carry on the same kind of sparkling intellectual conversation that Charles with but on the other hand. You know like that. Everyone always said he was really I've got an incredible cook. He came to her to be trousers. Housekeeper that's a believe how they had had first met and us Dayton and help I'll take care of his kids trousers kids when they wouldn't be there when they would come and visit the his preference enough, is up Joey. He would rather there not being electricity or he like cooking on a wood burning, stove and, of course, at the Benchley, what they wound up with one night when they came to triumph. But he was more about the simple things in life. So he joy has his rule and about that time you right as well, that there was an if they were engaged.

Then they didn't. Let people know about that. That was they were in the closet, about bad and and if he did have any kind of strange religious ideas, Charles then people at that time. Didn't realize it as well when they are in Chicago. Not a question of if they were game in our union. Charles did happen, bizarre ideas, but yes at that time that one when you went around trumpeting that sort of stuff to everyone are there in Chicago when he was obviously continuing working. What was the? What were the circumstances in which she started to think that? Maybe it will be time to move from this prestigious lifestyle. Go somewhere else. Well, he got a thing sort of fed up with some of the privileged students and their attitude in our thinking

Felt like he may not have put it this way, but rather a lot of the kids just acted like breath. He It was getting fed up with the fact that his property taxes kept going up where while the value of the mansion that they lived in in oak, kept going down and require more and more a keep he was tired of the rat race. Basically, and so that's why you know He resigned from the university honest fiftieth birthday, They also had less ties to Chicago, as they say that their parents had died and am particularly joy. Autumn's father tell us about his demise you're gonna have to give me a second, because I not worried about that. But it's gonna it's better a minute. I'd argovie. I can tell you that what would he was mugged by mugger right? He was attacked from a mugger, died from complications,

with his injury but they are, even though he died. The Listen, he did it only got agro the battery and got a really minimal jail sentence as a result of it, and even after that, he tried her to get out on a technicality, although he was not able to do that but TAT was when someone buys you, don't see them getting something that basically just a little bit of em an aggravated misdemeanor. Show you what they decide to leave up? What do you call polite society behind in favour of an alternative civilization of their own creation. author, two dogs and hatred. you love graft. Their dogs were name be open an arsenal.

and it took a long time. You know a lot of people had looked for a long time to find a second dogma, and everyone knew that the first one's name, what will be out above bad. I we finally founded on the back of a photograph, of the dog at the of the manner and They think that it's probably a version of the name of an HP love crack character, not forsake me love craft wrote, some sort of colonel what things that there are a lot of people who are members of the church of Saint in which, by the way, is not the same as devil, worshippers, milk like every love craft. He added character, a snow white who was a soul switcher and fell lotta. Folks, thank that's where you got the name arsonist for the second dog. But these were to huge dogs. They were masters. They were supposed to be pretty docile with

Charles and an Joey, but Enough strangers came up because, given their sort of alternative lifestyle in the back, they drove a jeep.

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occasionally people would come up to to the place that they lived, which and, if possible, we talk about that in a few minutes with a hand up capital that, by created himself in a there were some people that came up as you were. Back dinner and a small pretty Southern town, that looking for trouble and the dogs would from one understand at least one of them would come up to, window level when stand in a wind standing on four. These were big down, they were just go to it to each side of the vehicle. You know an attack or anything like that, but it also made sure that nobody would get out who look like they were causing trouble. Unless Charles said it was ok to them to let him out I will go back a little too interested. You mentioned that fifty years of age, Doktor Scott has resigned from the medical school,

But before he left, he took three wiles of approximately used right. Twelve thousand doses of government grade LSD, twenty five couple humans, animals on the school, I you afraid the school had noticed her absence as well so, That's true enough. Having ever came after an hour, you would think that kind of thing would be especially the drugs would be something you'd have to finance around and There are don't mind me digressing just a minute more any other case of everything and like that, I'd like to block or twenty years there. People are more divided about the victims. In this case. Any other case of everything everyone thinks there are either angel or demons. I don't think there, either They were human, you know they had some good things, they are employable, but there are But people who want to think that their angel that would go

I denied for a long time there were any drugs. While I went through the programme scrapped bob and drugs were in their one with full one. With full one was empty. So let me know tumblr proper, necessary six thousand dollars is left and I have heard some of those- the angel people when confronted with that they owe it was a souvenir, let's cannibal, weird souvenir to take the asked me but yeah yeah, they they put both and they had a couple of human skills as well as some replica scope there at the castle now Do you talk about the day? They came there. They found this dead horse and southern. They named appropriately. The drive dead horse road, but they this court What manner for some reason, and also you write that they didn't have any construction experience, and then you also explained to the joy Odom again digress. A little bit was in a car,

fraction with Charles, so tell us a little bit about this car accident? What kind of injuries he ends up with and how do they come up with this court with manner name: ok, I'm well yeah, Copsewood name. I'm from when they, when they arrived at the property, they actually got lost, the first night when, when they came down and. When they came down? It was a huge, Measured and I believe that the same blizzard- that with label that today that its note in Miami which was that clean and nineteen. Seventy seven lot of bugs will say that they moved in seventy six January, seventy seven which, when the blizzard happen, so and they got lost the wound of having to sleep in the car the first day. You know they. Finally, five, when the property is an end. It is not easy to find a lot of people go looking for it even today.

If you dont know how to get there, you're not gonna, find it there. They found a dead horse, lay in the middle of the road that goes, to where their property is. Like logging road that's why they need a dead horse where they go down there and then all the trees are dead because its winter on that's what happened. and once it aren't evergreens and so that's how they name did you know corpse, would obey. It would sort of her a little inside joke. You have heard me we'll say they thought, maybe that the area acquired its name sometime after their death or whatever. No that's what they named, it corpse would manner. and yet they had no construction experience whatsoever either one of em they the book on habit how to build build this sir, called a castle in order or manner by hand themselves with no construct

experience now Joey Head been a wreck. think real long after they had gotten there and he entered his leg and the car wreck, so you know the result of it. how does one of Heaven and do a lot of the in other physical part of the labour and in building at the castle is sort of oblong shakes Scott, rounded doesn't have sharp cut corners that has rounded corners. Now people have speculated, that's because legends about in a way it has not been able or ghost, whenever not being able to hide in corners, although the thing that that makes the sense to me is who had said actually they think it just

construction error that that was the way it was intended to come out because they don't have any experience of how TAT Mount up either way. It's beautiful was a beautiful building, but yes, you're talking about, I think, a year to get the first floor under cover and at that time. They they lived in a sort of course, the cannon. And what they call the chicken later on which the three story structure they built. First, I guess I and then the next year they got the second story under roof the ad, the calf about, is It doesn't have any electricity they built it with a triple layer of break with facing between which is actually a really good insulating factor, sort alike, the way cave is so it from getting too cold in the in the winter. Tat matter fact, I believe some other folks who came out

investigating, after the the martyrs, happen and and some people who were with the victims at the time the murders happen had said it was actually hot there. Even though it happened December. Let's stop this through. Second, for these messages. so. You talked about this construction and also what we maybe not mentioned. It is that China, and Joey they wanted to abandon, breathing a material that they had had before, so they didn't have money. They did While the things on the round, you said the ground, there are weak, they did a lot of things: they planted fruit trees, they were self sustaining, or at least for the most part, and you didn't, have to really go in for supplies too much tell us a little bit about love, a lifestyle that they set up for them.

out in terms of what I just mentioned, but also the letter writing in the contact in the correspondence that Charles undergone an I wouldn't say that they were abandoned all material things because they ship a house full of renaissance era, very expensive furniture, down to. This lot were in fact covered a year while they were building the capital, so they did have a lot of really beautiful sure and an artwork but yeah they like them I wanted to escape from the rat race they didn't want to have, be reliant on working on jobs for other people or whatever. So they build the The careful enfiladed, as I said they are had a well so get water from.

And they had a boy, but a gas powered. a The prince, The charter out, half witted built out of Breakin unsparing, Iceland and another area for like a shower. I were they water from upon nearby they had a chicken and the bottom floor of the chicken coop that they use spur eggs and meet both, I think they have the fruit trees they, had honey and you said the beast for both honey and for bees wax make candles were, and made how made wine some of the wine from whatever Stan someone that I spoke spoken to along the way said some of it was made.

Just experimentally from all kinds of weird thing, vegetables or whatever, and some of it was really nasty tracing, but some of them, in the wine are pretty go. I imagine what you know what they made with fruit and they said, was really good, but it was very strong, but yeah that was there in a child had written and article four Mother Earth NEWS before That said you know, I don't like that. Much money to Tibet can't be self sustaining. I just can't take some time. nation and willingness to put in the work to do it right now let's talk about this What about the section and game parties, but also that there was a lot of correspondence with men from various places and locations? I tell us a little bit about some of their correspondent who we did correspond with and what was the nature of that correspondence? and this is another part, that the people who

and if they are, they were angels. Don't like to talk about it. It's in the court bout you there He maintained a lot of current correspondence with prisoners and that was very, very sexual nature, not all of air, but but- He definitely had quite a bit of of course, bonnets and manner. Her standing at a fair amount of visitors. There would confer Have some l free and easy relations in a while. I was there and then that wasn't said he and Joey, I think, may have had four it wasn't like monogamous miracle type relationships within everything that bother him, but from what I understand Charles was a pre sexual person and that mine pressing that an experiment with that. and Charles was were gregarious and invited. Various

People who say that he was a very big student, psychology and was very interested in human behaviour and also as well, not to say save. You do provide absolute proof, but this a thousand doses of LSD. Twenty five could have been. Possible that some of the party favors would include LSD for some select. pull at least at least Parties are not be passed that some of them the people that I talked to had said That particularly on no one had said Miranda was like a motorcycle gang that, like thirty Km Party with Charles And that was one of the things that they, Like about it so if you're sitting there with that much lsd, it.

Kind of hard to imagine a just that there is a souvenir and and get used in, and there were definitely Anders differently than talk about it being used and and Later on, after their death, some of what was taken into account getting distributed right. Now also did you said it. We went mentioned that he was an artist at one time in Chicago. Tell us about his continuance in in dabbling in art and what kind of art he does do. and also some of the pieces that he has in his own home concerning the called them Satanism. How can the air. Can I pay that I remember how ok here yet he had that's some painting the start within he created some stained glass

that was incorporated into the into the Manor House there you know he liked to do. He had several this is a- and I know some of it had to do with the church of Satan the church of Frightened, Jeffrey Anderson likes it or not. Devil were spurs. Their atheist basically became with that name to sort of Pope fun in at Christians. And in a so one of the statues, probably from what I understand the most valuable bull piece of art one of the most valuable that he had with a statue of necessary police which promote we stand with was pure bronze. It was an obvious when you first thought because become blackened but yeah. That was there. That was one of the pieces tat he had. He had some

paintings that were there, that's there would seem babies and You really study I'm closely their opposite their birth and death babies. Basically, no, one would have one hand out. The other would have the other hand. One would look alive, one dead, one. Happy one with that whenever he There were some some other. He ever thing glass baffle may be some people say it, which is symbol that a large countries associated with the church of Saint and it's a goat created out of an inverted anagram, another, the two, points of destroying the top or its horns and then side. or his ears and decide wanderer like horns, and the bottom line is this now, and that was something that was

inside the Bahamas well, but he had created so that how any help Oxen things about the tertiary Satan among other said he had and that's why this case that's got to be known, as the devil worshiper case around here up on their chimneys, they had inverted can a grounds on on our each of the four chimneys. A lot of that sort of thing around and- and I don't think it with because trials with China Do anything bad or anything like that, but I think he was fascinated with human behaviour of all kinds and- and I think he was fascinated with maybe legends, a different kind of the future on certainly prominent among them a lot. I therefore intellectual the church of Satan, and that would certainly now intellectual would certainly fit trousers description right now. Tell us if there is a need for people imagining this right now. There's this manner this castle like manner

but there is also another building and that's the chicken house when you talked about chickens on the bottom floor. But there's three floors tell us about the chicken house. Okay and yet the chicken for kept down under in the bottom floor and the second floor from one understand, was a library and contain some portable material and from canned goods and there and then the top floor with what they called the pink room. No their distinction carpet, pig, Cheap Matt. You know cover mattresses reserve that run the floor there, and I was a great playroom entertaining am am They also entertain some guess: you're awful Braun sexual purposes. yeah, but the people who eventually martyrdom they were sitting around up their drinking wine before in the matter captain, so that sir, that was one the other, notorious thanks that gave this case. International attention was in all the

the pink room and there's a lot of things was said about there were, and there were some sex toy around or whatever I have yet any photos on the inside of the chicken half a camp. I get a lot of looking form and can finally, so I can say for sure about this. Story, but it certainly was someplace that day entertained. The guests of different varieties. You right. There is also a guest book. It ended up, Disappear But there was reportedly, I guess, Bork what would be in this gas book reportedly well, there ports were that You have some details in their about some of the young guess what they had, including some of the sexual yes that had come to visit

I'm sure it has some of the addresses from some of the people that Charles corresponded in there, and there were also supposedly from what I've heard from at least source. You who claims to I've seen it had his hands on it. Photographs in their of that could be considered compromising There's always been speculation that their guest book Had something in there about a prominent figure in town, but it's never been said who that prominent figure was, and even if I heard it I wouldn't hear it here to four percent, privacy and forsaken them right now we are going to introduce this evil. We block, but he meets trials and joy. When

out hunting. So then, he's invited back to the house for, because he's heard stories about the wine. So he goes, to the house. Tell us about his visit to the house ultimately happens, at least maybe not the first time, but at least one of the times when it does is it paper with seventeen year old. He was living I thought he would basically emancipated he had come from a bad situation with a free it if it was his father said father but Oh he was out on his arm wrestling wound that moving them with her with Tony West who's, the other killer. but yet he was hunting under their land and Charles, was our waste careful, but he was after pretty friendly with people around his long sighted thing to pose a threat Anne had invited can

back to the manner and- and I don't think I actually ever however, the night of the murder anyway went into the Manor House itself, which was, I think, source of frustration for him he had been and though the chicken House, which is where Bay entered many people in about the manner with a bear. thank them, and it was only for embarrassment, have guessed it wasn't. For this kind of casual thing and from what I understand cannot agree had had had some of the wine and on more than one occasion had consensual effects with Charles then later on. He went back again is TAT the story tat his roommate county county with much older and thinking hey within a thirty or forty

county, had been around the block way. More than cannot had. He been in plenty a trouble with alarm, I'm sure we'll program that shortly, but I am out he was like you're traditional. Uneducated, reddened, guy and, of course, she wound up in o, making fun of Kenneth about it, which made mad, not tony but you know he can Can the story. I ran a man, so bad this was all trials or child until we thought this was a Hindu, never minded it with consensual. You know that he was old enough and about his counter to know what he was doing, and so he starts getting angry earn angrier at them. And decided. He wanted. punish them, for making him half force him to have consensual home that show that there is no,

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but with trials and joy and based on what what is their belief and war their plan that they start to hatch. Well, I think there, and ass an Tony Can you tell me where I can a very broad had some different plans to start Where can I like affair? He was He was mad. He wondered somebody the blame about the fact that he had had you know back then, and here's talent I could buy them for it. So he wanted to kill them and punish them torture them his plan can afford to start with was that he wanted to write them with a hot following iron. There were a couple problems with that: hey, they thought they would I get. Following on from the man after they got their well a date

have Saturn arm they that and have electricity, the plug it an even if they had had one oh, that work, County, though, with much more aware What can I get out of them out of life? Can a guy though he wanted to rob them There were They had always been rumours You know that People that thought that they must be rich because here they lived without having any support as well. People could see from independent way a castle. Little of the forest in and thought I might be rich right right, so as it turned out. In fact, they kept all of them. money in the bank. They would even write a cheque for and ask about high, which is in a

ice cream bark, better That was what county thought. He thought he would get them money here, George or whatever, out of it now the more valuable things that, in the end manner, the artwork but Neither one of them were the can to be able to appreciate that in real life. that we don't had any value to it. So that's helpings things now of weather play the kind where it would make much the ham? If, if you wound up hurtin somebody along the way in which it just wasn't his goal, his goal was to get the money and the valuable they hurt somebody on way. Well, no big deal right now, What this plan into action for December, twelve nineteen, eighty two,

So they ask block ass someone for a weapon, so where did they get the weapon from and and what they do involving what what actions. They are involving Myra, hey good and her daughter, and treasure. Faye Myra was there was a. The boy named joy wealth. Who was I? cousin, Myra, hey good with was Tony, with sister and joy with her son. not not Jerry Item Jolly well, who, with in boy at the young young man. and they had gotten the gun, I believe from.

irish trailer. If memory serves an M, my her trailer come into play a little bit later on. After the after the crime birds, That was the Al Qaeda. what her house, came in to have had an haven't weapon came to it because I knew they needed something. Now, I'm sorry, it wasn't a work programme Betty July Rifle, who were that was every or Kenneth Mother Joey, like said, was the the son of Myra Joey haven't date? That night with a young lady, they increase the hedge. And this was the first date Teresa was We are also a young woman at the time she

had no idea about what was going on the night. Everything went down. There has been quite so, never sense about whether maybe jolly well knew what was going on, but the truth is definitely didn't and Oh, so I'd tell you western and every Brok said we're gonna go out there today the mansion, and I have no idea why they thought it would be a good idea to bring joy wealth and Teresa hedges along our, not if they thought where you could cover story or whatever but and Tony by this time had had been for the manner before himself, but he had engaged in any kind of sexual activity. Birthing Kenneth had said to him her in Algiers these go pick up a very warm up. Your lunch come. Have them better, so they defend they're gonna go up there and take Teresa Joey along with them and

They are, they went up the trailer and at first thing like it. We shift at not deter that too. The manner they will hanging out in the chicken house were like said typically, people were were entertained up and the pink room, and at first that same like just another ordinary. You know, hang that, with some of the locals insurance and wine kind of They are things, it was clear, though, that that Bracken West both had had I am already, but when they would go up there to to go beyond just that. and things kind of broke down fairly quickly. You write about that on the way there. I think this is very important, as I don't

I dont really here this being an issue brought up a trial necessarily in terms of this specific mix, the of paint thinner, glue and alcohol known as Tooralloo, and so along the way you're having this I don't have all of em are having him, but at least the boys are having this concoction on the way to the crime scene. Aren't they they were an Teresa had said at one point in a trial testimony that she had done that herself, that night, there were three time on a bow occasionally on her return of the stories she she I think, has denied that, but she did say that air traffic money so yeah they were all happened. The stuff. Would you like a cheap way to get high up their basically stuffy? Can all you can buy at all at the hardware store, makes it up in a bucket and get a cheek quick, high.

Right you write it they're all drinking and everything seems to be fine and Joey has previous to this fight, to dissuade his uncle from doing this from Tony from doing this, but he still sitting there. Like you say, the girl Teresa doesn't know what's going on at all, but then he go. allowed under the premise every without the premise that gets more tooralloo and then returns tell us happens when he returns and what is a start doing well here, He comes back in with a rifle and come back into the the pink room And tell I said before that that he was extremely Charles with extremely charismatic and had almost Some people are hypnotic effect on people had a good way of you know they ve been several For people had come up in ten

I'm starting trouble and He'D- manage to defuse the situation, as it was a scale that he had So here you know we comes back into the room with a rifle and instead of acting afraid, Charles laughed and said Bang Bang and it actually work for a little while you are here in two digitally point around about that here. We cannot set the gun aside from and sat down and they catch at and drank for about maybe another twenty minutes, bad after about twenty minutes. More of that thing, The plan sort of resumed Charles had had gotten up, just the lamp and and every grabbed by his hair produce, pull this headline.

And put it back to his throat Charles kept on, as if it were the gang and our huge fan. What kind of game you wanna play I'll play your game birds? instead of being of that freezing the situation that time rock, to remind the bad and and tat his arms. Behind his back with strictly sheep, that he'd cut up and then started demanding to know where the money was where's. The money where the money at an inn, Charles, call them honestly he didn't have any money was on the back, but that didn't obviously satisfier western brok. Now, Brok, this Joey autumn, didn't really realise what was going on because he was in the manner away from the chicken house, and so you didn't hear any the commotion apparently

so what did the Brok go and do in terms of interaction with Oda all go was doing and with clean up the dishes in the kitchen. unlike said in a whole different building. But yet Canada Brok instead goes Harry, saw them says that he's gonna go kill outcome in here. He leaves and wines up shooting both the joy Joey Item and the air and the dogs. Were sleeping, when the kitchen, I guess they were afraid that they minded. After they kill them too so now he goes down I'm in It was an honour man whose do nothing but cleanup dishes, and and- the dogs and then came back to the ship.

after the pink room, where Charles still wasn't that point. You write to that. What he does is the term comes back in and claims that is killed that man and those dogs? and so the regulars you right. eventually dragged the professor and scattered it still. Found down the ladder and into the kitchen. Where is forced to witness the evil inflicted by these two killers in his own home, when you say Joey lay on the floor with four bullet holes in his head and one in his arm. What does Charles do, even though is bound. Gagged am Charles. basically blame himself for four Joey's death for him getting shot. He says

I asked for that: been tried. Her Tony been trying to make him sit back down since they Bergamo I'll, shoot you and that's when he said you know. I asked for this how he felt like he was responsible for four Joey's death because he invited these two guys, into the enter their lives. now you say to eat the surest shoot him in the face to his knees, but doesn't kill em and supposing figure over and over again for rounds into his head from their right. I what happens with their pursuit of pursuit, of the riches that they think what what does Brok what's wrong doing now thinking that these people are dead. What is he pronounce and proceed to do

well. You know that point. You know they ve killed both Joey and an Charles. You know that the charter of when I like you, said when they, when they brought him back in so they're sort of tough in the house looking for these riches that they believe were bare and are not finance any money an end there, county had far far before rifle rounds, and I believe him and that their trotted off, though I think it had been shot by a handgun that they had taken from the health is well anyway. Yes, their toughen, the half looking for what they think is there, a fine, I think, a jar of nickel and dime. they find a little bit of jewelry. It not very valuable. They found Charles's leather coat. A pair of hands plenty of wine.

Like thing really of any value they found in the house was they found the gold plated I've bagger that had a joy encrusted handle, and I think, some some simple Campbell eyebrows and the pistol they didn't take any of the art as I am sure they would have, if they know they can get any money for it, but that point, they decide that they need to get the hell out of their win win Kenneth had gone out earlier, he tried to start the car they came in a javelin it had started today. Decided. They would take open and jellies jeep to leave

they didn t everything. They didn't say that they probably couldn't get money for bananas it with the three lsd. Those were under the bottom gesture, but yeah here's this this is not exactly like said a. A jeep that blends in easily because it does have huge inverted Penta on each store on average than those were on their because they head it was like. a military jeep and it wasn't ever intended as a wasn't originally intended as any kind of religious freedom by summer Church of Saint the symbolism or whatever. That was just what it was that look like- and I am sure that made Charles thought, It was a great thing in that region. One other thing, everything out. They had there, but it's not companies easily identifiable, as as it goes down, the road

so they are made take off in that they poured gap on the floor, trying to start a fire and burn place down, but they couldn't get it sir like, but they force Teresa go with them and joy. Well tonight they take Teresa back to to Morrow happened, they basically hold her for a week. They figure now she's, of course, operate dab about what's goin on she had no idea. This is gonna happen and they figure she would have. You know yeah, the cops yoletta run issue. Eventually she went to her family nor family persuaded her to call the cops when they. Finally, let her go after about a week, but they held her to give western and brought some time to get away, and they said they were on an indifferent direction. They were actually gonna gonna, take

after you to try to throw off the track, but she in her family said if you dont go, tell place about this stricken charge you to So when she finally got free, that's what she did wound invention so what we didn't mention is that when the the perpetrators didn't notice. They did Take any the paintings didn't think it is either spoke them or and see the value or they didn't wanna take them, but they do notice, a very, very interesting painting and a very I thank him. Here part of this story, This painting was done or commissioned. After Joe, we had a car. I had a car wreck, and this is a self portrait by Charles tell us some of the bee. They also this painting the portrait

yeah. What had happened was what I understand Joe. We had a dream in the middle of the night he got up any described with Charles and Charles painted it felt portrait is up Charles. And it shows his head and actions had favoured. But I'm on a blog, but he's gay. With five bullet holes in his head. Well, that's how his body was found gagged with fibre holding him so in this way down like a couple years before the money, that will happen, the martyrs of one thing: it certainly nothing to do with with what a good to him just one of many really really eerie things associate with this case. but that was that was hanging on the wall there in the manner. So you say finally Teresa what was all freaked out. She wanted to tell people and eventually

People eventually did tell her own family because other people were telling our non trying to protect Tony West. Meanwhile, the perpetrators are heading through Alabama, Mississippi talking about Mexico tell us about what happens when they are looking for another vehicle and they see somebody Lieutenant Phelps City. Gonna, tell your sleeping in it. I oughta yeah, well for some reason. Apparently, what I understand is that they were specifically looking for twitter. Had pulled over to arrest up rest up family. Here they see one with this guy sleeping. car detour Yoda. So I was just they were looking for if they wanted to ditch this unknown. Anybody know this and find something that would bland, then a lot more. So why are they force lieutenant felt? He was

not hereafter forced him out of his car he had This is then Vicksburg Mississippi and he Santa here, then you might just don't true. Just don't shoot me. Will they weigh them through the woods over offence and this is with with their and Brock's move all of their step into the The toy, Yoda Wes, trust her hand cut, felt. To to a tree by them. to do that. He had locked the left curse and we did that helps punched him. When that happens, wisdom with immediately shop and three times in the head telling them took his while I had to get the idea in the woods in an hour It fell to his car. So

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And they took off in the toy Yoda Heaven originally towards Mexico, but that didn't quite happen either use a day they argued, and then they finally split up. They were heading in different directions. They thought but ended up back in about the arrests of these guys and before we talk about the aftermath yeah, yet they had there were getting on each other's nerves. You know here they just committed this heinous crime and they were arguing more and more and and I think that I cannot the younger one you know- can I wanted to go home and my own county? They wound up in a strip bar and having to fight that's where they enow split. and an canebrake

and headed back commune wound up in Marietta Georgia. In a couple hours from his home called his family, there's been some speculation about. Maybe the family farm was Bogdan, that child the the police found out where he was, but anyway they went down to the gas station where he was waiting for her family down Marietta and arrest them with with no problem in West. In the meantime, color drifts around them and he don't really know what to do. If you don't have any family or anybody out west and it's getting close Christmas harmonies says well we're married out daily decides to go head back home to lunch. And Chattanooga on Christmas Eve and there were there's a lot of weird things happen with. In this case. Both

before the martyrs after the marriage and whether we are having to do with cars, not working and will probably talk about that and a little bit, but I county had jazz. cross the line and to channel again in the ring with point now, I'm not like spring Something like that. This was sheet the rain and of current data gas so These are right across the line from Georgia and antipathy. He fears it sees this bar other palomino club. It's kind of a fee replaced as well. Well, had there to get out of the car gets drenched the course of its porn rain Christmas Eve gets to the to the bar and what does he see outside but a place after so the self centered guy that he was. He figures. Well, if there's place after them It must be because they're looking for him, so he approaches this police officer with his hands out ready to be cut.

And the police after has no idea. Who is what he's doing and in countries like ok, go ahead, take an unthinkable like what are you talking about? You know more than two guys and in trying to go ahead with me is like, don't know what you're talking about county it's on every year. Gets the God and looking up on. You know the the report internet. I find that originally on him, who's gonna. Let him go in countries like IRAN in there, and so we finally house County and they confirm. Yes, your sister murders urged that we're lookin for arrest him, so he did. I've never heard of anybody who went to such lengths to get. supper rested better doktor family arrest them then there a quandary because he's in Geneva and

The cases and Georgia is a voice after regionally, just traveling banter, optimal Georgia Red Cross, the line, and their white fur triggered candy the show up. They have taught them your hammond fail. He set out and like the waiting room, smoking, cigarettes and so the it's from took account, and yet there are worried, because these cross stately. bring him down here, for they drive him back up to Chattanooga, They can get out of the police car and walk across the state land back into Georgia, to surrender himself to them to make sure they have any kind of problem fat or they arrest. So that's how telling eventually got arrested in this case Now they have their. They get. Appointed attorneys both of these killers and made it there Barely a month after the arrest there already have quickly they get indictments by the grand jury.

block is offered life over death. In exchange for a guilty plea and he that's so right and guess what happens is that now we only have a tony West trial. Tell us what happens in this case, with these murders, Tony confesses about eight pounds. In our and here may include different details or whatever and then couple weeks before trial days off, when reveals to the the date they mention sort of in passing. Something about these lsd, also they found. Nothing has been said about it before, but, of course, the defence attorneys jump on that county is not, word one in any of these. I confessions about LSD will well suddenly Once this comes up, they create story about

oh how they had dragged him without his knowledge and that he thought that the dogs were lyin than that. he saw himself floating out of body, and things were glow in the trees were going out council just garbage. He did eventually confessed the Trautmann, oh yeah, by the way I did research Ellis Day why I've been sent around in jail waiting for my trial in August. Of course, you know. Of course he made the whole thing up, but that was historic, whom sticking to it that this war they brought it on themselves because they dragged him without his knowledge, never mind that he mentioned a word about that before the so you know that is what happened there. Judge in this case had told the prosecutor- the prosecutor with a new guy. He is now a judge and in addition, and he was determined and our he was

but he was gonna make a name for himself. He was gonna, do everything by the book and do everything right in and get a death and will be sent from the sky, and the judge was like, but nobody around here, gonna vote again. Family in Africa on a couple of queers, The judgment fairly redneck, and that was made that's more determined to do that. The judge head had made some mistakes in the they had the constituted the grand jury wrong back. Then they they had a way of picking a grand jury will. Basically, they had commissioners that data who's going to be on the grand jury and, of course they picked other buddies and all the the people they knew what good church by the folks. Well, that's no really legal and the poor cuter had tried to tell the judge: hey, we need through its case out before we get started.

Get a new grand jury and I them in the right way those judged like now we're good so County ones that getting conducted against the death penalty and a case give thrown out because they ve done the grand jury rob throughout the year. They worked out then for counting to be able to play to life in the defence attorney who, by this time, had been switch. So what I left attorneys in circuit and they tried to do the play in front of the stranger who justified mid play. He's not gonna. Take it so it took a lot to do and they finally wound I'm getting a different finally the case one from out of town we are finally able to get county the inner played a life instead of the the death on, so that that's. What eventually happened the case. well. We didn't mention, and so incredible

Does the newspaper the media's reaction and its behaviour and also the track self is an indictment. The fence attempt to indict Charles and Joy, for their lifestyle, but especially trials, and these synthetic elements and the drugs or the lsd. Twenty five private casts doubt that that on their character and deflect from again, like you say, the killer, these two killers that had never really done anything well broken. ever done anything before, but certainly yet town until we were gonna die with it. It was certainly an indictment in the newspapers and a trial. Trials and everything about his lifestyle: hunting and into an intimate intimating. The things in that role.

Right I mean that the defence attorneys we're doing whatever they they could be thrown out anymore. They could to travel, cannot cover with a bags, these guys had come gladly killed these two on our men in their own. How so You know when they LSD came out work, so they made big deal about bad. They got the letters from the air from the home about some of the correspondence that their trousers had with prisoners, Oh so they were making a big deal about. Like said, this is a really small town and water rednecks around there. So you're making a big deal about the the lifestyle, and all kinds of accusations to try to grow up I saw that they could. That their juries would be redneck enough, that there were gonna, ignore the facts and,

what wouldn t do anything to these two guys that it killed these. and they fell ass, an end their their defence heads. do I think with some other the bizarre story, one I'm getting report in their and our ever since that I mean that there are people to this day little say: They had. A drug lab down in the basement, home. Didn't have a basement in area was built on in oh foundation to above the ground floors that our people are swear They ve been down in the basement before haven't what happens is whether the base was for staircase, their cement there now, and so do I some big stories of them circulated about. Oh, that's, where in the government to keep everything was hers porn. Unclear down the stairs that went to the basement fell

about. A lot of that just arises from all the dirt that the defense was trying to throw out during this trial. You right to the heard, defence trotted out a couple doctors at the for the study of mind drugs and behaviour. At the strange medical school they confirm that scatter had conducted experiments on the effects of drugs are mined and behaviour for the military, so late right have that as an alternative motive cast for some doubt to the perpetrators, guilt we had the air there there, Theory behind that was Charles is continuing to do experiments on all his own on on local, in our whatever and While he may have shared just as wine, but some drugs with with Those who were voluntarily imbibing it

there has never been any credible evidence, said, he's ever drugged anybody without their knowledge, but that's what and that's what they were. True and to imply because they were doing everything they could to tredah safer. but I'm so what? tried to claim that he had the effects of LSD. He tried to point fingers at wells but to no avail, but he did attempt to have with his behaviour and with that idea that LSD affected him dinner yeah yeah I like that that was that was Carlo, were his defense was, although he he did eventually had met, he recourse Del Este before you start telling the story you and hurt his meal ninth and tenth retail, on of of the tale that like said he was, he didn't know what he knew. He was an author state of mind because they had dragged them without his knowledge. Hallucinate

Bob. I blocked But that's not what we wanted by ain't, gonna, fuck was the behaviour we talk about the behaviour of the newspapers, but what about the behaviour of the public in terms of their their desire for souvenirs? Incredible the scope You tell about that you know, people in that area had had it, can I heard there is this weird little in our health there. Some people would go out there and try to visit some people just heard about it, but I didn't going out near What about it will hear? The teenagers sometimes would go up there and hang out, and you know they know I'm or some other the altar lifestyle elements. You know people who some they hippies or whatever might have been before, but you know that from the public could heard about this place now that they, think they actually can get access to it, and especially when there's the sensational story in this case made international news.

There were tabloids from Europe flying helicopters, overhead trying to get pictures. So you know it was a huge, so everybody wants peace them right. so yeah. There were people who were who will and had taken the property when it was first created, offer, go on their later when they finally have access and take anything and everything they could for a souvenir. So they could. feel like they had been a part of this. You know this famous case So the year Chicken House first and then later the manner wound on getting barked the manner. There still remains up there, but there is less and less because it became a thing to take a brick as a favor, Well, after a bunch people done that it began. then became a thing that people started thing, They were cursed if they had taken something from corners would lots and lots

lots and lots of people reported. Having corrects there Earth died in our thinking something in the book about one guy, and this was this result. Now a pretty credible quite case about his ah for tyres falling off of his car. One of the police up who was there that night? He was highly superstitious and wanted to get out there before dark, but was unable his transmit, and fell out of his car? I didn't even know that can happen apparently a dead on the way out and lots of reports report like that's a lot of people start bringing those bricks back and their are. Bricks around there, one under the brick walls. continues to remain there when I'd gone out to take some photos. Some had painted on their. I took a brick in open air became a thing. Some people dug up the bushes. Then take him home some other Joey's

Campaigns in whatever that they had around summit But I came back to our burned stained glass windows in our I think people could lay their hands on. They took leather furniture and things holding an auction and yourself There were a lot of people who are buying things there, but a lot of people just help himself, sir I think that they could find around the area, but, like said a fair amount of that, made its way back when the most marketable things in this book of a very remarkable book is two days after you turned in your manuscript for this book. You had a remarkable experience. Kosovo, at variance with monsieur You cannot have a lot of weird things that happened was running this book like any time out working on it. wherever I was, equipment started mouth auctioning or what it wasn't just weird, but this one this is the best

yeah Heather, you I've been sitting their work on this manuscript per month and my muscles were all nodded up and so I'm just turn, then the manuscripts and I had gone to get him on the thought just to try to work out some of the tanks sometime this guy intimacy since a young guy, and said. Oh, you know just finished a book in, what's it about but can I was about these two guys that gotten killed in an stoop began before it is like white happened a long time ago, and I said yes, Second, that can, I say, said friends, and I went out to that point- Andrews there's a lot of people that still go out paranormal people in oh some church of Saint people were schoolers that go out. The visits were divided. There is Prince Inga had gone out when we were young on a dare to this property, dared to say the ruin she said and.

He said it was really weird. He said now can get through this You gotta go down go to the rope, runs out crap on a dirt road for about a mile find a right turn and then pull off in the right driveway in the driveway. Here is barely big enough for one car? I don't know Two cars even could fit in there, but at least they got in there and there is no other car in the in the drive. You have to then hike about a half mile to work together, not easy to find easy to find no no other car there when they got there may hide down to the words, and they said, even though there have been no car there when they get there in the middle of the ruins of the house. There's these two guys. Sit down long chairs and they said they were nice guys. You said they say they are caught him we're gonna, they roll Maggotty looking, but they were real politeness in one of the guys with real disturbed about in our

I'm programming up and down the road disturbing the peace that they sat there and tell them about what had happened there in that area, and they said that they came back on the same day every year to mate. and then the way with Tony their say in winter explored words. When they came back, the gods were gone. They never here wade. We now have it got there, how they laugh, they would have gone and He didn't really think anything about it used to tell me about this too, weird guys they met in the in the world, but it just so familiar and I'd heard other people talk about and goes down there and how they describe them. So Afghanistan, these two guys. was one of them big and the other one level, and this year Looking ahead, they haven't like the little one had one here in Europe. The bigger had had darker hair and a hand A picture in my car, which at the time I thought it was

girls and Joey as it turns out. It was Charles and some other got, but under that sir, That picture in and show it to him and the guy's jogged walked in. He said? That's the guy and his point to the picture Charles. He said Africa is the one of the guys that we saw out there and I how them? Who does? What is there anything? I shouldn't picture in our interest that well yeah they get there has been dead since nineteen. Eighty two in our so the thing that really made me believe it about the story. He would tell me if I can heathen think he was telling me a ghost story. Paper thought he would tell me about a couple weird guys in the middle of the wood, and I asked I said well what have a year with this guy did this? Is it I didn't really know, but he knew it combat method couldn't could have been a summary city. I might have you know for sure, but am answered, Can he was probably out there on the anniversary data, their debt, since these got something they met. Their unfeigned diarrhea.

That was that, with one or two previous things that happen. out of many weird things that happen Mars rightness book absolutely. I I'll thank you Amy for coming on and talking about this incredible book, the corpse would manner murders in north. Georgia after those. It might want to find out more about this. Give a facebook page for this give a website talks about that. I knew it said Copsewood manner, murders. Of course, what manner murderous nor did not come in or if he grew go at you'll find at the book is for sale. Anyplace, you can buy books, you know from brick and mortar stories you now Amazon or Walmart that calmer anyplace they sell books so You can find it any about its publish via history, press but they're. Here It is easy to find them

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