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Twenty one episodes of hashtag story time now on the Iheart, radio, app apple podcast or wherever you get your. I guess. You are now listening to true murder, the most shocking killers in true crime, history and the authors that have written about them. Gacy, Bundy, Dahmer, her night, Stalker Deasey came every week. Another fascinating offer talking about the most shocking, an infamous killers into crime history through murder, with your host journalist and offer Dan happy good evening. Someone you know of or even love is the person who will kill you.

usually that's true, but that is not what happened in two thousand and eighteen to college students in I two young women who had everything to live for killed by two men with nothing to lose. completely random attacks. Neither case said any Nelson common, except they both shock the nation and even the world. What worst being murdered. My love one or a stranger who jumped out of the bushes when you are most vulnerable previously published, as will find you and let's do murder The Iowa murders tells the shocking true crime stories of the senseless deaths and Molly tributes and Sally Bark when arose a manner when Molly tippets disappeared on

July. Eighteen, two thousand and eighteen, her mother, Laura called her, would promised she would never quit searching for five weeks in the summer of two thousand and eighteen ceased searched and the whole world Brooklyn Iowa, because this was more than a murder story. It also became one of the top political stories of two thousand and eighteen then, just after her killer, led police, tamales body. Then a cornfield news of another shocking senseless homicide came from Iowa failure. Bark when arose a manner was ready to begin the next phase of her life, including a professional career in marriage. Call in Richards only wanted a woman to rape and murder, so you had everything to live foreign call and had nothing to lose. They would come together one day in September, two thousand and eighteen only one would survive.

This is the shocking, through crime story of two communities into families coming to grips with the worst crime imaginable, knowing that, even if the killers put behind bars today, another could be waiting tomorrow, the book there were featuring a seething as the Iowa murders are shocking. True crime story with my special guess, journalist, an author ride casually welcome back to the programme a thank you very much for this interview. Rod correctly, I damn thanks for having me.

Thank you very much for their self congratulation on this new release. Let's get right to July, seventy two thousand and eight and tell us a little bit about the small place, Brooklyn Iowa and a little bit about this Molly tributes and she's on her very regular run in the evening. So tell us. Little bit about Brooklyn, Iowa and Molly tributes. Merkel and, I would add, is a town of about fifteen hundred. Maybe this is small town America, Molly Stature, Airbus in place He's going out one evening run through the streets of Brooklyn. Now she doesn't every night ever, even though she is not native to Brooklyn. I alot everyone in town knows her. There used to watching her blood by in the evening. She so familiar

people no longer relaxing under porches won't waved her as that by their houses, really that's the kind of town. The book when you were there, Hopefully they will just wave to someone who may be a stranger to them. Now you talk about her living arrangements and their friends of voice down, Jack she's, a psychology on major at the University of Eyewash tell us they are living arrangements and in what to wear her boyfriend and her brother are at the time when she goes for this. One year again, as you said, Molly Temperature psychology pager at the University of Iowa. She had a boyfriend. Dalton Jack are living with his brother. Now both of them are out of town half the time we're on a construction project in another,

I'll walk, so Molly, you is at home alone, but he might now have you know. This is a time when she's this is a summer from the university of eyewash ashes young. This. She's all living on our own setting up housekeeping with her boyfriend gotten the guy. She loves plans to marry answer this. This is a thing, I am for her. This is a time of real love in our young freedom, I guess it away to put it she's, also working in the summer at a children's day camp at a regional medical center and the kids love her and she loves her job. Everyone thinks she's, great and she's. Also When she's running she uses this fit bit. Activity tracker and she's. Got me out, phone with IRAN. That run so tell us about a little bit about this and that she does usually

does it goes around the same route? You say that people in the small community know who she is very familiar with her she's out on this run July. Seventy two thousand and eight. What happens? on this normally day nor routine, one of Molly's, but, as you said, Dan she's carrying a fit the activity tracker and a smartphone, that's very important european. She's going on her usual run, all of a sudden, a cot, yet another one. The neighbors Devon Wily Caesar wrongs by his houses. I cordially waves, the launch you were lucky does almost every night for heating Anything unusual that Molly Jaws certainly those a car behind her. Now it's not that unused poverty, somebody on the road at this time of night, but this guy just doesn't give up she'll slow down, expecting him to pass her. He doesn't passer, he swallows doubt

You will understand her thinking shouldn't get away from him. He drives faster, so obviously he's following her. It's a black car, a car that she does not recognise when she turns and she has tried to turn right than lap. He follows her eyes when she stops money, she stopped right now she is very worried pushes concentrating on the wrong she's a good run or she's a practice. Water she's, a trained run herself. The fact that you want a few figures, run this guy. If nothing else, she looked back and the car out of the car taxes Europe. Finally, finally, the car passwords, so Molly figures, everything's. Ok, she was mistaken

to be, but that only let her relief only last moments, the car circles, the block and all of a sudden, its back behind her again. Finally, she decides to stop and confront the guy. She is not going to put up with this, and that is in an instant. She realizes it is wrong to do that. She is a call, your clothes, she doesn't look back. She knows his trouble quickly, she's money to now she's running ass, fast ass. She can't she's forgotten about confronting the guy. She just takes off. She looked back over her shoulder she's running even

I still can't believe what he sees the guys. I was power now he's running after her. She figures that she cannot run him, perhaps even out by you, but she grabs your smartphone and practically shouted into the guy space. He's not a big guy couple inches taller than Molly about five or six thick black hair, neatly term moustache and guilty grams. Your smartphone ashy shouted into a space. They are running side by side now matching or pay step by step. She else I'm going to call the police waving the boy at him. He doesn't back off, you think he might, but he does it, and now it's a real right now, This guy is fighting her she's, never been in a real fight for and as I am right in the bright arise on the state of health and still appears she sees me

and if my life yeah you right, then the next thing July nineteenth Molly doesnt shop for work as medical center. Of course, this is unlike her an dolphin. Her boyfriend had text editor, TAT morning, and there was no response, so he calls you mother, Laura called it would so what happens Devon? Our part me Dalton and Molly, and the search for her that morning, what they certainly he's worried immediately in other young and allow in love till their use, protecting each other back at both good morning. I love you back kind of thing. He does that she does not respond as she does every day. So now he's worry, he doesn't hear from every tries or again and again then he called her mother. Laura Laura's worry too much. She said they hate Brooklyn to a small till you die

calls Maui, she's, afraid something's wrong, then work. They did. Camp Centre calls and her. She called Laura calls the centre all the son. She know something's wrong she's. A mother Laura can just feel if something is definitely wrong. Brooklyn doesn't have its own police department, the, while POW Sheikh County Sheriff's office, handles line for in Brooklyn, I was so long calls the sheriff Department, but before she had before she goes to bed at night, she sends a text in Mali spoke. She checks, I love you were looking for. You will find you no matter. What does she tries to go to sleep. They began searching for her immediately than that. Ten days later, the internal Missouri policeman The Tipp of the war mills out it's a small town, so the next morning, every

one knows that always missing everybody that Balkan search and they all follow killing to help. But you have of the Iowa Department, a criminal investigation and the FBI involved because this, what they determine early on as an objection, nothing correct the correct elder, assuming that, if an abduction, they don't really have any eye witnesses, but just everything is their checks are real, is very up a gas station videos doors at points where the kidnappers lighted stop the war racing out of town there there were spilling that she's been kidnapped they get a chip there. She would see that a gas station it turns out it curly Missouri about two or three hundred thirty miles away from Brooklyn. That turns out to be a false alarm. Then go to our Hon farmers, palestinian girl. I ask you to search the properly without a warrant. Why that farm, while Molly this last week

jogging within a fifteen minute, drive up the property. Remember they can track herself a smartphone and they can track that this list so they have an idea where she is so now they thought it was farmer Wayne Shady says he You have anything to high. He asked the f B. I spend a couple of hours inside a thousand garage, Jackie photos. gate of Gene asked waiting to go the local firehouse with them for an interview. He got this without a lawyer and they spend two hours together. Talking weighing tells them like everybody else, he's heard about Molly's disappearance, but he's never met her doesnt know who she is. After this interview. He allows them to keep the cell phone

what night so that they can check his phone records. The wind comes out of this and talks to our rapporteur and says he thought it was all a waste of time, but a well after they finish searching the farm. The F b I spend more time walking through about a mile of dishes near the fire. They have so much interest in the land of farmers simply because a little location, but now there's more there's a potential clue. They find a red shirt, not unlike the shores Molly and the other people of work at TAT date camp where every day other shirt was discussed. by a guy mowing, is long near the awakened wildlife reserve, so he call sheriff the sheriffs deputies and it turns out that way. Cheney, even though this has nothing to do with Molly Wayne Chinese by guilty to stalking charges twice in I am pointing for cheap, and so they ve got a real interest in wage. Eighty at this point, and in waves part, however, they don't

I'd any information or evidence in that extensive search and he's cooperative and the rather people that they looked at. However, what they still were looking at was trying to get video surveillance to fund the businesses, local businesses, but also other home. So while they were doing their regular routine investigation. They were still analyzing some of those and also putting out information to the public for leads in this case as well right. Exactly and you know the whole community start searching unto four hundred spontaneously started searching the day after Molly went missing ah by the county, Sheriff's office says everybody stand down.

yet there are needed the world. Allow guess it's hard to coordinate for people and when the police found in charge of it. Who knows what they're gonna do what evidence they might contaminate, for instance, what crimes faintly like contaminate? So they tell people who are so. Canada is no harm, stand down. We need, you will put the word out and social media from what they do. Then. Yes, He has social media, their home again Molly's digital footprint, dozens of search once in a while to gain access to always social media accounts along with devices like a smartphone and bit by bit, and that opens the door to a ton of information. It's amazing how they can track. You, then how they tracked Molly and her movements, and as with that smartphone and the fear that yes interesting, you write that some with via the gps, they could see

exactly her running and then travelling later in a vehicle, because it cannot make no other conclusion other than did. She was moving so fast, so in almost in for these people was the evidence more than a very strong circumstantial evidence that this is what happened to her and she was certainly abducted and taken in a clear, exactly right. Right now that birth chapter I describe her wrong. That really ought were. I described the run. There really is taken from the cheapest information. That's what the cheap! Yes, tracker shells happened, running the starting the stopping the turning left, the turning like that kind of thing, and then what they do is they get as Facebook, twitter and other social media to figure out the kind of person at Molly is or the person that she was. I guess you should say- and this applies to see nothing but positive statements about Bali. You know there are heaters on Facebook, but nobody. He smiled

once this walk. So that brings the other thing into this, whether it's starting to figure out her personality, then they want to find out who she's been chatting with recently what they talk about. If anything is relevant to the investigation of the chamber, he's right now, the model he's alive you holding up. Hoping they really believe she's alive, the investigative team. I mean to say that you think she was abducted, but they believe that this point she's alive. However, people who know her the people know Molly tell the police. They cannot believe that Molly was too without a fight. They really believe that mopping up Maoist topic of inadequate to ok, ass she made Evelyn a real fight, but she was a strong athletic woman and they can't believe Anyone would take her away if she was still alive. Let's uses this as an opportunity to start for. Second, for these

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champagne flute fell into the lap of how we bury completely drenching her visit, all twenty one episodes of hashtag story. Time now only Iheart radioactive podcast or wherever you get your bike s You talked about everybody. That knows her thought it. A stranger couldn't trick her or overpower, because she was a person that was in the great shape and he also talk about Rob tippets, her father. again they go to the national media and ABC Good Morning America, and he just wants to focus on bringing her back the as yet Everyone wants to hope and believe that she is still alive.

The reward you say goes up from a hundred seventy thousand two hundred and sixty thousand dollars and flyers at baseball game. So there's an incredible effort in the community by Rob, tributes and others and friends to be able to People know about this search for this woman. You know now you talk of the family and very the family. Dynamic. Here too, is really interesting day and robbed human lives in San Francisco. He look, all right are divorced, so here you have That's husband! Why again to Brooklyn Iowa to take part in this, and I thought that was just a really interesting part of story- absolutely

Now you talk about August, twenty it so not too far along by serb police, get home surveillance, video from someone I'm from a house on July. Eighteen now, what do they see in this video and whether they conclude now? This was a real break a month in two days after Molly, better snapper tracking down thousands of leaves answers and chips, they finally get a videotape crafty case wide open is a home surveillance. The shells Molly wanting by arm on July. Eighteen on the tape. They can see a black chevy now that seems to be following Molly, speeding up and slowing down as she does and finally stop it. Just like the gps. Impala told them now. If this isn't the present a kidnap, Molly there,

Here he is at least one person he or she is at least one of the last people you ever see Molly alive, and so they got they have to find this car. This the description of a malibu goes Every police officials in Iowa every sort of law enforcement eyes is looking for this black Malibu that the FBI is afraid, carried Molly to a final resting place, I'll. Tell you definitely times the car comes our Godaddy, thus going to ask of you talk about a deputy, being alert and spotting the car What happens? Yeah right right down the road of county deputy spots. Bickering altered over walks up very slowly. the car. Approaches with drivers, windows, a man alone and shoving available, and there these christian values their computer chest shows the twenty five year old is no history of any criminal caught up with anything.

the problem of the area. There has been working at a local dairy farm for about four years, but this is interesting. He's been working at the dairy farm under a different name in the name of John, but now Rivera can produce any identification under either named John died or Christian Mahina Barbara. I here's another point very difficult conversation between the deputy and Rivera, because neither is blue. like any other language where there is an error of Mexico, answer some questions and they are able to put a few things together, deputy now these you, when you say that they have the problem of translated, so they find a user name, an officer. I was city, police officer, name, PAMELA, Romero and she's fluid in Spanish

that was what happened even when she gets involved where she makes a real connection with Ribera. He opens right up to her, if not just that, their fluent in Spanish together. Yes, it is in theory comfortable with terrible up here. They re just open up ass. She eastwards talk of an entire tell the whole story, not the story about Molly, but the EU is comfortable. He doesn t it gives a dna sample with no problem at all. Is to let the officers birch inside the car, his car, the Malibu and the officers find a blood stain of trot released. It looks like a blush data. The trunk you gotta get back in a maretzek lab. Of course. That's enough, they figure bring wheelbarrow into headquarters for more questioning. He saw the can ride with the city police, be brought back to his now do when they finished officer. Will narrow PAMELA now asked in Spanish on those two thirds of the island?

because there were agrees and still then they get him in for questioning they ve been talking to you so far for about I met the interview really begins. Now they is viable even the evening they take ten grace but other than that non. Stop questioning just opposite PAN Romero and will bear up. All about eleven. Thirty at nights. Are you looking at six and a half hours of interrogation and then only then Israel? There were ready Miranda rights. You say that, I believe, is he Book LISA implicated himself and in her murder, and the only question left is wears her body right? That is the only question,

but where is the body and soul on August twenty one, twenty eight, Jean De Rivera, they ask him what happened here really struggling to tell the story of his account? but now I ah he says she tried to run away, but couldn't he talks about the fight they had I'm here for the cell phone smartphone and then he says next thing. I remember thinking about the trunk. I saw a blot on the side of her head. They talk about putting her by into a cornfield in covering it up with corn stocks to protect her from the start yeah. So he also talks about this again very convenient the tea he got mad.

She pulled out the phone and then went by LISA's when I get upset. So I blocked my memory or again. I guess he meant his memory is blocked. He can't remember, but of course then the next thing he's ugly member is taking her body out of the trunk and he saw the sight of her head yeah, yeah and an taking that he takes the police do where he left the body to itself. So they find this body its many days decomposed. What else did they find forensically in terms of what has happened to her stab wounds, wise and otherwise? Oh yeah? There was a vicious stabbing attack standing there. As the multiple times they hide. Your clothing had been ripped off of her and I left in the area.

It's a very bloody, bloody, clumsy yeah. You say that she turned to her chest numerous times and even broke through her skull. There was ever lived, of a violent struggle, defence wounds on her hands and she didn't die quickly right. What's right right exactly now, he has a one million born, so he's not going they were an after. This rewarded got up the four hundred thousand dollars and fifteen hundred tips. They finally have this perpetrator behind bars, but now this case again the the particulars of the case redressing enough for national and international media, but now because they find out the immigration status of this person, what the system

they become now, it becomes a political story. Now former President Donald Trump Chosen, audience at a rally in Charleston West Virginia you heard about today, illegal alien coming in various badly for mexico- and you saw what happened to that increased all beautiful young woman should not have had. The legally in our country transverse, without a huge impact that the laws are so bad. The immigration laws such disgraced we're getting it changed, but we have to get more of a public, and so this becomes a very political remember. This is taking the privately on off term election This is why, eighteen? This is our mid term election. I guess I should say

This this is becomes a very big political story. It's interesting to leave a surprising that the farm where he worked, they ask then again bathing got numerous hundreds of threatening calls. Why did they get threats against them and what was the defence of the owner of that farm? In regards the hiring this illegal immigrant yeah? This is the Araby Farms near Brooklyn Iowa, and they are totally taken by surprise. They said that they did their back. They received cost you a good threatening phone calls out of ten o clock in the morning August twenty seconds, so this is really blowing up. people, death threats. What have you- and I was the thing- is they are asking that the question is if Ribeiro within the country illegally how'd it again yeah. Maybe

the failure of the claims. The staff did everything required by the federal and state laws to ensure the Provera was in the? U s legally, they had no idea. They claim that he was here illegally and they just found out in the past twenty four hours. They state that the name on John bodies that they get the gate there was a fake name. They said it's really the federal and stating the Iraq crisis they stole down on the job here, yeah you talk about two August, twenty seconds: the first court appearance and in the small town Christine's girlfriend Iris, when there was also went to school with Molly till small town, but another person, Bailey Gibson, comes forward to say that he felt but her sister in the same way, using the same and when she heard the reported it, it struck a nerve in her to say the web.

very similar and August. Twenty third: is the funeral from Molly totally right, the other funeral, doesn't matter here: they're, catholic, protestant, jewish Muslim or atheist Saint Patrick Catholic Church in Brooklyn. Everyone's welcome, but especially true this evening August, Well, you ve heard for the funeral of Molly S, Father Corey, close I've told you a beautiful young woman, but he evil is irrational, so we could never wrapper. Minds around it boy and others in Brooklyn or shot? for a different reason. Chloe Redding says it's terrible to see the suspected Kellerman she beat and realise that she was friends with them on Facebook. To talk about that, that's more

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in getting ready in his defence attorneys, getting ready for this this trial and then on September. Seventy two thousand and eighteen, we're talking about a few weeks later. Sally Bark when arose Amana is playing golf by yourself at the cold water golf links in aims Iowa as this The public course tell us who this seller arose. A manner is, and a little bit more about this, a little bit more about her life. A little bit about more about this gas plants that she has plan forgot that day quite simply sell. You is one of the best women amateur golf. world, at this point really or this year or that year of the twenty two year old, one, the European Lives amateur championship with a course record, sixty three she qualified for the twenty eighty? U S! Women's opened the formatting, the cut she catch in the twenty aging dig twelve individual

I'll and was honoured as I always states female athletes of the year. She comes from Spain. A town of fifteen thousand in Spain's won T stand against Spain if she eyes out later eligibility it. I always state university. Remember: Molly, went to the EU Presidio Iowa nostalgia. it's working under degree. Fire was state University, she's, no longer eligible to operate play on the universities team, but she is still obviously a very tight I'll get amateur golfer shoulder lifeline your blue eyes, bright infectious smile, Boggley personality She's have all the way from a family of Spain, but her mother is always said. This failure

is delighted with your life in Iowa down the smile, she's alone, she's on the fourth key cold water, which is one of the best public courses in Spain, a violent anti missile. Okay. So what happens to alert people that something has gone wrong? You talk about for the guy's, a were a let her go ahead, realising that she was gonna, get through the course much quicker than them, and then they find some evidence that something has gone awry. Yardsticks for middle aged guys- and they know that sell your going to play a lot now, so they allow her to play it for an hour later, hardly spoke one. The guys is totally Howison That's what we call him the leader of this force them here, then the hallways forcing arrives at the nice key and they could see the something's wrong cellular golf bag several cheese

arrange find your aunt. Her hat are all lying on the ground, but there is no sign of Stella. I mean that's, not something you see on the golf course. Nobody abandons the clubs in the middle of a fair way ever and there is one more sign of trouble, sell your cell phone wholly finds it.

Ground chill out and they haven't heard any sounds there would suggest as values endanger knows, flames no sound. So the struggle, no signs of a struggle accept this step, let down the course, but shortly after can. I am highly calls cold water soil shop to report what they have found, a man. He calls nine. What? What and minutes later the aims police to private receives a corresponding call from a nine one want, especially notifying them the parties concerned, so the police, alive and cold water at ten twenty for about twenty four minutes. After always, foursome found what they found on the night. He knew talk about this Mitch more. That is on the case and he's the assistant director of the Iowa Department, a criminal investigation. How is it that a police officer and aims?

he's wop spots, Dalton Barnes, whose Dalton Barnes and wisely stop him, and what does he had to say? Ok, we shouldn't we should back a little bit through the golf course and they did find robotic. Another group of thought was found autologous body on the course in upon now he's worth spots. Golden bars, gone, Barnes is in twenty two year old, who use one of these guys who has just never made it and why he got out of the state prison June of this year after serving about seven months, were vital. In terms of approbation, but had been sentenced to ah poor condition, Unbutlerian some other. The later tribes he's been shovel ease bench. His whole life visa, living homeless, living in attention in an area near the golf course becomes a person of interest when Officer heat laugh spots, Norton, Barnes, walking north on the trail, the trail that lead

from the golf course and the general area were selling his body was found We are looking at this guy, you can just see, there's trouble and he threw his office dropped his nose right away, there's trouble in the sky. So how does he proceed and what does he? What does he blurred out in this conversation? With this heat Rob officer, he says that he is the ask if he is aware of this woman being killed and he says of big learnt. So what did call in due to her so the police, as why would he asked TAT question right, yeah, because guy calling its course

So they go to the place where they ve been living together and the adult cells will that he and call on each have attention this area dome in calling richer than sharing our temporary squatters encampment, and he just know something's wrong. Column because collars been talking, we ve been talking crazy he's been talking about finding a woman to kill, that's what you want and they know that these these tense, whether living they have a view and don't mention this as well- that they both have a view of these golfers all day. That's how closely Arthur this Gulf course so light exactly are now you talk about him, the Common Richards, any talk about this matter,

He had just been in prison, but they look police look and they find it even though, is homeless unemployed. He has time to set up a facebook page where he celebrate your drinking coffee and murder weirdly enough yeah. He does, it would follow. You know its mark on. You can do anything he as a smartphone and set up a facebook, age and celebration as those let's new murder right. Let's do motor honour on his homepage. He's also been reported that he's been carrying a big knife- and this is obviously Dalton saying this and with us are rated edge. So police are very interested in this information. It doesn't sound like it sounds very credible. Doesn't it to them? Yes, it does the raw Dalton shots role. When he says it's friend has been talking about an irresistible

first to rape and murder of a woman, and she s been sharing of late. That's big enough to cut would oblige them to read it as it sounds like the knife, it might have been the weapon used to kill, sell your other officers working the case. You have a history of common. Remember that if not unusual for him to carry a night answer, the very interested in him and as the working and investigating all of a sudden colleagues right into the investigation. He walked right into the middle of it and I love what scratches on his face, he's been in a fight. He dropped the black backpack Ahmed Roundabout ground from the camp. The bank is here because it is his name on Sea Richard and he sits down and sticks his left and into the dark, while the detectives the talking to you. So they ask him why he said why he's

rats he there. They ask him why his hand is bleeding. So yes, some unreasonable excuse for that, and they ask her ask him about his whereabouts, so that questioning does not satisfy them. They take him to the hospital. The document his his wound, which will they believe it will help them when the autopsy is performed. What happens in that autopsy? What do they find out? Who, after the quicker be they take our leave? A merry really medical center? The yard get the gap extend debate. They had asked him to pull it out of the door is obviously hiding in the dirt and that they want to compare Collins injury to what they learn from miles autopsy about establishing it caught what they will learn from the stab wounds in particular seller, and they

I the similarity they are. They see this as a relationship between the hand wound and the ones that kills Gallagher right. So now you talk about eleven Ontario set their catch smashed, the puncture wounds could become could have come from any night for the boyish lay still gonna be hard to pin down the weapon, but the stab wounds. The flashes, because I'm calling and ensure stole his body to match the unease. Fine yeah, you write. It serves of temper twentieth thanks to a rash fire, the aims police think they say disk over the night used to kill seller and alongside raided knife, with two observations raided patterns, so right

right exactly. The blaze broke out inside of a larger three seventeen Washington Avenue the same small to bedroom housework police. Talk you Chris Johnson, about power which has three days ago, The data discovered values body on the golf course on now they go into the houses under fire investigation and they meet Christopher Johnson, the homeowner and they a large rated knife with two swayed salacious patterns, the blade the longer than four inches. Nothing on you you all their typical kitchen knife, but remember the autopsy was old, showed a night just like that cut sell you so now the prime suspect in the homicide, investigation was venuses. Our great days ago, and they find a night very similar like upset

one of the knives that cuts failure. It turns out their college shower there at the house, an changed. His calls at the house and at night indeed was part of a set that was in the kitchen, and it is a second is missing one of the knives yeah there's a judge, curry Bethany hurry is in charge and what does as may be surprising to some people? What does this person is? Perpetrator call enriched I want to do was a plea to the judge. What was his plea to the good? He says you right, and this is the way he wrote it on a piece of paper. I would like to take care of my case. I would like to do whatever

is to move forward ending the case purely guilty of pleading obviously guilty. If that's what it takes. Thank you and Sally. I do plead guilty, incurring accepted the note now. This story doesn't have the Louvre different because it doesn't catapult story into political. The political arena like Molly's did but because the cellular, the wheel class golfer, how does this story get bigger than would the others becomes? An international story not just a national story, but it international story, because I'm your mother is still in Spain. Obviously your family still in Spain. The goalposts the world? Just love sell your faith and they really are mourning failure as much

nearly as much anyway as the family is more Zella, yeah, so busy sentencing on August. Twenty third, two thousand nineteen for common Richard first degree in in Iowa, already carries life without role sentence, but it wasn't. It was a chance for a for law enforcement.

You say to show their support for sellers, frat, friends and family, and also to express their grief but common right, say and note what does he have to say to the court's? Why this now, whether the nowhere he wanted to plead guilty is, economically speaking, a while just talks. Now it's more than note about the remorse he feels is not much to the note, but did he said he did feel remorse for stripping society of this person all right right? Yes, we get it right back. I don't have that noting probably right now but jacket it like that. You take us to made twenty six twenty twenty one and Christine's case you say is in limbo, tell us why this was delayed

about three years by worries about reach, while publicity and just the usual slow turning of the wheels of justice of their rights and their also is the complication of the carbon nineteen pandemic. Ever you shut down over these lockdown. So Christian, I will therefore is unpleasant. Ah what they're going to this fight is important. Trial began just now ten days ago, three years after nearly three years after he was arrested because in color Nineteen of the other concerns, but mainly carbonizing right about defence attorneys, Chad and Jennifer Fraser, uncharacteristically, Christine takes the stand and he's wearing headphones and he has to spanish language interpreters. What does he claim through these interpreters happen with Molly yeah? Well, this is where I got really interesting. He goes on the stand as their budget

who's taking a shower in his mobile all when it came out of the bathroom he was stung, define two men sitting in his living will never seen. before they were both wearing sweaters masks and, of course they had on one of them had gone the other one had a night. One was better than him. The other one was about his eyes are the main source of income Why should we now go and tell him to start driving, spread to Brooklyn, Iowa and thereby while their driving you're talking about finding someone running, but they want to find a woman jogging. Well, they come on come upon law weight, as Christian tells a story dance he says Lily these two guys in mass and sweaters one with a gun. One will the night. They engineer the whole thing and forced him to do to stop and fight with Molly and put her in the trunk of his car answer. As now

corn field: he s an end. What he does as well as he throws some dialogue and says that he heard the men say come on Jack, which would clearly implicate Molly's boyfriend job Jack in there, because one right exactly exactly so he's trying to again, you now say that he didn't do it by talking Jack had responsibility of those, in the other, guys guys, Anne and, of course this is about typical, was well what how else did he add a little lamb detail to this? What other? What other threats apparently did these people make to ensure has cooperate

his girlfriend and their daughter, he threatened to hurt her wrist and their daughter if he didn't do what they told him to do. Yeah sell me two thousand seven hundred and twenty twenty one. You talk about prosecutor, Scott Brown, what happens with this christian story of kidnap? What does he believe? What does he say.

He says that scab rounds. As you know the disputes the allegations he said it was. Yes, there was an intrusive hatred of the truth is just more straightforward. Now the prosecutor and he took her. He committed the crime. What happened? Molly, he says, is no longer on this planet because of the defendant and heat she was left there for five weeks. Will you talk about the appalling crime scene photos that a jury had to endure as well yeah they were, they were really brutal. I mean these incredible crimes being one, although showed valleys body under a couple of stocks. Of course, because he? What sticking out you can see the clothing? round here or body the volume

very decompose, so yeah they were. They were really good reason for decency They have him dead rights with the blood analysis and the dna in the trunk didn't correct figure. They had him dead, he writes the anger and the story. Just with the jury did not biogas. Joy at all christian story about the two guys forcing up due to our kidnap, Molly and then and then kill her when the jury just did not believe that at all. They deliberated a little more than seven hours and then found him guilty of persecuting degree. You talk about the impact on the community with these two sensation, all end up being sensational murders tell us a little bit about that. This is a little place, so there was a significant impact. Wasn't it

Yeah really are a very significant impact. This is the kind of place Brooklyn. I want more people, they forgot to lock the doors at night. They didn't worry about too much now they do now, and people in town would save up there. simply looking over their shoulders because they Brooklyn! I away is no different than any other place that this can happen there and again the same thing on the golf course: cold water and the town where Australia was murdered on this just a big, a wake up call you a couple of small towns and the people live in a small house there are no safer than

somebody in New York areas, and in this you ve written about a lot of murders. Why did you feel and important to put these two stories reef previously published will find you and let's do murder together and what yet, why? Why put these you spot? It was. It was a better story and they deserve to be together and the chances of these two women who had as I go, everything the live bore they bore lives that they were looking forward to know no wise being snuffed out into small towns in the state of Iowa within months of each other. I just seem like those stories needed to be together

and you ve talked to college students in Iowa with all of their future ahead. You talked about Molly and on planning to go to his brothers wedding in the Dominican Republic. She had just gotten your passport was her first, I know it's seems cliche, but these people both were some of the nicest people anybody can be poured. And again I know that sounds like a cliche, but there wasn't any dirt to find on these people and it's. It is so sad to see the most undeserving people of this, if not that anyone deserves to be murdered, but just the sheer innocence of these people in the senseless murders the strong point down the innocence of these people and that's not just Molly and out Stella, but their families as well, especially the family,

Molly there to argue. I found much more about than I did vote, but yeah yeah, just the innocence of these people thrown into this situation. Let me now those expects to be a good morning. America, talking about the murder of a one one here and it's it's not to be under estimated. The the intractable situation that they are in intractable sexual therein believe This their loved one is still alive, hoping that their love, one is still alive. Then there are only courses is to plead somehow to the goodness of this perpetrator, to release her I can't imagine a more horrifying situation to be in yeah it is and yeah. I can imagine that either. I really can't yours Tragedy put onto a national stage by politicians who want to use a story,

they're a managed yeah you you did mention that is that the family, not only Father but the ant as well, but other people and in the end, family wanted to make sure to ensure that this story, then lose focus, didn't lose focus on Molly, but instead this was used by political parties at that time to talk about their policy about illegal immigration, mainly right, they bought the way they both did not want that An Rob Archibald when National and idea he was very, very outspoken in asking people to not to make this a political story, I want to thank you very much rod correctly for coming on and talking about the Iowa murders are shocking crew time story for those that may want to find out more of you.

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