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Brené with Gina Chavez and Carrie Rodriguez on the Heart and Soul of Music


Meet Carrie Rodriguez and Gina Chavez, the musicians who created and perform the music you hear every week on Unlocking Us. Artists and activists, Gina and Carrie integrate stories, culture, and the heart of past generations into their music to create artful and hopeful futures. You can hear it in their music, and you can see it in their lives. I’m so grateful that our weekly Unlocking Us conversations begin and end with their soulful sounds.

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Highly one, I'm Bernay Brown- and this is unlike in us, I'm so excited about this episode. Now tell you why, if you are a regular pod castle stern, if you're with us on unlocking ass on a regular basis, you will know the amazing music that leads us into the pot cast and the amazing music that takes us out of the pod cast well.
You're gonna meet musicians today behind that music, so the intro music is called movie podcast III and the kind of ultra music are there. What we led out with his called wonder, spelled o n e d are to find out why it's called out had no idea. What are you there were so many guesses about the title of the song. Wonder including like one person who said, I thought it was a meter which just really made me laugh and then someone so am. I thought that was maybe hey. You said wonder in Spanish, but you'll find out in the podcast why the attributes, it's called wonder, today you get to meet just two women. I love respect and thank her amazing, carry Rodriguez and Jean each other's and I'll. Tell you the story behind the music. Like I, I'm a huge two separate me for music is to not know all of me. I have no idea whether that sounds like Pulsar makes sense, but that's how I feel about it.
Music is my is my lifeline. It heels me in times of pain It brings wonder and I enjoyed in my life- I love it, and so when we were starting the podcasting, I was listening to you. I guess you'd call it can't music from subscription services or services where you can use or music. I just thought I can't I can't the bread of my soulful. Conversations in the middle cannot be that they need so full intro and outro to these conversations, and so I thought you had to see Daphne Monday. So, what's the pie in the sky- and I said you now have been listened to carry very guessing Gina job as a lot that would be. The pie in the sky is like TAT them email them. And both Austin Base musician, singer, songwriters inside dead and nay said we're on it. A couple of days I had mp3 files to listen to and when people in my friends and I or my house
my friends and I or my Stephen, my kids, listen to me. We pod ghastly. They were like that. That is so very podcasting. As I can a cable. Broadcasting, so carry Rodriguez singer songwriter from Austin She finds beauty in the most amazing things in the cross, pollination of diverse traditions. She melts fiddle playing vocals with a merry o Connor attitude, she began playing the violin at age. Five by h, ten she had performed as a part of a group at Carnegie Hall, and she continued the classical track in her first year at Oberlin conservatory. She then fifty years to pursue her true love affair with the fit all stain, shooter her Texas routes at Berkeley, college of music she's. Really, Five solo album studio items, three live albums, three albums with legendary chip, Taylor and Radipole, Texas, singer songwriter,
in twenty seventeen carry founded a highly acclaimed ongoing concert series at the historic Cactus CAFE in Austin. It's called but created, explores latin next culture and its contribution to the american experiment. She's. Also, the composer embarrassed of an original musical, o, which its twenty seven show debut at the Phoenix Theatre Company. At the end, February, twenty twenty ten. Secular, Zella performances, careless, and often with her partner and musical collaborator, loot, Jacobs, who is, lt. I singer list singer songwriter from Minnesota and their son crews, and I may tell you all about seventy Of carries doing it if you watch her song for you series it's like Quarantine, God Relief, you'll,
crews who directs the whole thing and produces it Jean Charles, as I just smile when I think of Jean Charles, as because, if I need a fire up around somethin, I listen to a lot of her music and, unlike at got this, she is a wife, a philanthropist and award winning independent musician she's a proud native Austin. I in a twelve time often music award winner, including twenty nineteen best be male vocals and twenty fifty Austin musician of the year. Her input tiny desk concert has more than a million views and her Erelong PBS special. As available nationwide, you gotta watch Gina chive as impure tiny desk. Incredible and you get to know her in really see her. It's so good. Genus music is deeply personal. Her passionate collection of bilingual songs takes audiences on a journey to discover her latin routes to her music as she's share stories of her life in Texas. As a married, Queer Catholic, true, Gina and her wife Matt
This is the greatest story at the catholic students in urging Oversee Texas, Austin in a tours internationally as a cultural ambassador with the? U S, state department and runs meanness, Reba a car, spend she cofounded with her. Why for young women and gain dominate El Salvador. And her first all spanish language album. Lucky Amanda, the woman in charge is now available everywhere. So did is just a soul bomb, not bomb b, I envy, but bomb b. I M conversation. I know that you will love and appreciate Gina and carry as much as I do, and this is evidently, one of their shows real need to visit the show nets at the end, to find out all the things are doing and where you can listen to them and learn more about them enjoy. Ok, so I have to tell the both of you that people are obsessed with the music
the child, wrote and performed Four, unlocking us at me People love it so, two songs. First, when you named remember when it came over. For me too, listened attracts, ok, they're, both laughing right now, the first one tell us what the first one is named. It is vital that we know. Is it our that merely bike? Amoy pied hasty we podcasting well. Ok, can I just say, like I never expected you to actually put the names on your website meant anything like alike, gives us the best named podcast song ever knew it, and it was really panic, as you sent us like five maybe
and everyone listen to them, and everyone came back and said that one is very podcasting and I was like I know, because its named merely podcasting. Ok will actually, when you didn't know, is that actually was the name of it was very podcast. He and I think I made a euro a unilateral decision to make it cooler by calling it merely punk sd carry correct me if I'm wrong, but I think we were calling it very podcasting. I have completely forgotten, but that's awesome Gina bet you if we look at our voice memos, it would actually be called very podcast today, is that we decided like when we go. Together carry carry. If someone could she started plucking issues like plucking. I feel like this they podcasting fucking sounds like just sounds podcasting, and so we were the really what's really by casting that's basic with an aim is great, I just fell in with it and then are kind of out song Is wonder-
Which is so beautiful how long the owl been collaborating. The first time we collaborated was what Gina twenty fifteen, sir, I'm sure Well, it was when we, you invited me to write with you. We met the songwriter serenade, which is actually you would know more about. The sun render serenade, but I'd entered as a contestant. Carry was a judge. And I ended up winning the contest and I was like freaking out because carry I have been, following carries career and music, and she was carry very as like I'd you know just getting to meet. Her was so cool much when this contest that she was a judge in and part of the winnings was, I think, is that neither the next night I got to open for her at the bugle boy so we're sitting in the inner were sitting in the back room at the bugle boy and she,
look we're sitting over there and I'm just like all. I care about is this right over there Gina, like bidding for her. I seriously doubt was literally freaking out so then I think it was maybe a month later. You are working on Lola. Yeah, and you agreed said: hey, let's go out on a song and I freaked out again and then I said yes and then we wrote load members together, yeah. I know I was just blown away Tina meeting you at songwriter Serenade. I was blown away by your talent like how do I not know this woman I'd heard your name in Austin constantly, but I had not got to see you and it just like. Oh my god, this is this, is the powerful woman, I've ever seen in my life- and here we are yeah- it was just a month or two later right- writing a song together and then I'll be serious later getting the collaborate for Bearnaise podcast, how cool let's keep the euro. This is our second club is Bernie. So thank you.
I want an honor. I would do so funny, because When we started the podcast cast, a music person and I'm such a singer songwriter person and they were sending me these clips and I'm like can Have this on a podcast and then see. My husband was like. Ok, just close your eyes were a dinner close your eyes and tell me If you could have anything, you want it for your podcast, you don't have to worry about rights. You didn't have to worry about anything. What would you do, and I said, ginger and carry Rodriguez would do something together and his he's like you should ask em, like I can't I just it's embarrassing and and so on, so grateful because it so such an important part of. The conversation and You probably notice we're waiting into some hard conversations on this podcast mean we're talking about-
clothes matter. We're talking about grief for talking about were celebrating the dock, a ruling from the Supreme Court You can't see that perfect can can y'all can y'all make audible. What you're doing that I can see on June give really good greet all right now. I would thank the perfect yeah. So we're talking about hard things and just what I ensues like why that music- and I said I wanna- have soulful conversations. I wanna have social music and to me all our soulful musicians. So I what a dig in with each of you and just here a little bit about how You came be sulphur musician, so carry will start with. You tell me about your journey to music
How you found it what it means to you? I know you a family history. Tell me you and your love affair with music, if it's fair to call it that shit, it started very early on in my life, and I was just lucky enough to be in the right place right time in my public elementary school in Austin, they were offering Suzuki Violin lessons to kindergarten students and it was a pilot programme. I think the teacher had funding for a year or two, and then it didn't happen anymore. But I was so lucky to be at school. In that moment, and I remember walking down the hall all during that time and hearing these, walking high pitched little we give island sounds coming from a room and sang. I've got do that. I dont know why but I was so drawn to it and I went home. I begged my mother. Please give me a violin. I have to do this so started there and public school end and it never stopped and
teacher who started the programme. His name is building is all teaching her in Austin, and he was my teacher all through, elementary school junior high school helped me on that journey of finding my way getting into conservatory, and I thought I would be here into a classical music career, I think just go. Up here in Austin being experts, to so many different kinds of music? It just ended up being impossible to. To stay in that career path, where I'd be playing music written by other people, years ago, even though it's an amazing body of work. I ended up finding. Other things with the violin and its what of sort of some up and conversation, but your whole life. I live in terms of like finding you know, soul and being able to feel deeply with music and express deeply I'd. I would say that that classic
background has a lot to do with it and there's just there's a depth. There that is still with me. Even I've lost the sum of the shops, the soul was there and and then my first gag after I finished college was with a great sulpho songwriter name ship Taylor, a chip, as is known for white writing, wild thing angel of the morning but he also continues to rate increase are we moving sensitive, empathetic songs and you know when I first started working with him. I had never sung before that was not part of what I did I was really my own player yeah, wait what yeah. I mean I didn't think I any kind of decent singing voice. Assistance. Not part of my skill set that I knew of and so he heard me to play fiddle. I was like twenty one years old, we start touring. Finding myself you know playing in Europe for amazing people and do
shows with John Prime who we didn't opening couple shows back then which on an chip had me sing a little bit a harmony than said how about singing a duet with me, and I was heroin I mean knees, knocking like completely nervous, but that the beginning of that and a year later we were releasing our first duet city and taught me so much about believing one hundred percent in the song being in that moment, no man or what connecting to that song on your deepest level, so that other people feel that, like not worrying about, faction, dont worry about your voice is doing in this moment. Just worry about. Are you really believing what your singing and I have taken that with me ever I mean that is the most important thing and when you're in a room playing for people, we just all one he'll and music allows us to do that in such a profound way. So I'm only
searching for that connection. More than anything. So when I think about your music for free, so first of all, if I, to describe. Both of you in addition to sell for you are both highly emotional, with your music you may be singing for fine, but I feel what your singing, both of you. So let's go to China and then I have a quite what the same question for both you that I want you both to answer separately for me. So Gina tell me about your. Trip to music cure your your walk into music, so I always love to sing as a kid, but you know it wasn't until I think of his six sixth grade, and it was to call at the pre glee years before choir was cool choir a cool when I was growing.
And you're in uncool choir was an unusual choir, but before I even got it acquires an art which was always cool right, and so I couldn't get an art one year and I sucked it art but I wanted to be good at it. And so my mom said hey, you know you love singing. Why don't you get? It acquired of course mean that initial reaction was you choir, nerdy you so again and acquire, and one of them things we have to do is sing amazing. Grace in front of the entire choir, which are choir, Think was like forty kids. It was big and anyway, it was there not on rehearsing at home. But then hearing myself in comparison to my there's that I realized. Oh oh ok at this reading, this, and so, of course you know, I think when you to find a skilled at your decent. You like it better so um. You know I had great choir programmes. I was also a public school kid and
the programmes that I was in it turning into a fine arts academy, you know It just shows the value of arts and the schools, and yet you know we, you know it high school choir. We did everything we we did Mozart's requiem, We did show choir, we did dance routines. I was in theatre, you know, and so we had kind of a breadth, and that was really my training. I didn't have any formal training. I picked up a guitar at eighteen and when I went to college eighty year old and you know, and I was a journalism later. I was not a music major. I don't have any formal training really in music other than my choir programmes and I literally picked a guitar and was too lazy to learn other people songs. I started learning thus on more than words, and I was a new our player and it has a big Julian cords in it, and I remember something like this I'm just gonna write cord song and it's going to be great
I love it, and so literally that's what I did and most of my early songs actually lot o. My songs are still like to Greece You know, and I think it was the beauty of. That ignorance. Actually, I think propelled me in a lot of ways, because I didn't know what I didn't know: I am now at the point in my career, where I do know what I dont know and it's really frustrating you know, because I want to find a cord and it'll take me so long, because I don't have a large theory background. You know. So there are some some things that are frustrating. I literally had this up on my phone and night, I was on tour with the Us State Department, I'm in the Dominican Republic. And far away from my wife and we kind of how to fight. Over the phone- and you know it's hard to make- someone feel loved when you're not there with them. Scientist of course felt awful and
pulled out this. I just got this new up on my phone and it was just a vocal recorder and literally built an entire song with my voice. In my twenty minutes, Then I spent the next forty five minutes, trying to figure out what guitar cord to play in order to put, harmony underneath it and I was so frustrated, businesslike just build a whole song in twenty minutes like you know, and so I think it sets an incredible but just goes to show you that, like having those tools and actually burning, something I love about your work is that the way that you give us will come military to move through some of the hard things is everything you know it It not only being able to speak to what were experiencing, but then giving people the tools to move through it is is so important, and so I am finding with music right now. That's what I want if I could go school and actually learn theory. I met a point my career, where I would want to do that, but I
if I'd known that is as a college, can I think I wanna hated it. I wasn't there so interesting. I mean both of you. It there's and take away from both of these amazing stories in vast and look: education, art and music programmes right at me, like. I can't imagine a world without your voices, It makes me sad to think about the kids that won't be talking about their music on a podcast twenty years from now, because those are the first programmes cut. Amen adversely, like my wife, is a public school sure and ie. You know right now. Of course, corn time has been kind of nice for? Somebody like my wife, because we don't have kids, and so you know she went fourteen our work days too, two hours on a zoom call. You know with phlegmatic, skids and random level. You
being able to recoup her body and everything, but then knowing that, once they get back to school, thereby to be the ones that are asked to make up for the learning loss yeah. Thank you, my ten year old Son Charlie, has just discovered guitar and music and its unlock, something in him, far more than cord progression and a lot of deaf leopard right now, but yeah so good question. I want to ask both of you. Is. When I think about your music, I think about music in both Spanish in English. I, since two. You play laughing because. When we listen to you in the car and Steve's, also a really Steve's, a really big me person to, but he's also big, to hunt person music year. He really isn't a hunter music into he'll, say today, that carry in China is you're, not sure fearless into someone who wrote that last week, our role
nineteen forty one in time less, but there's also a huge love embrace of your heritage in your music. I want from both of you individually about that commitment, thou et honouring And died, tradition that you are just don't neither one of you seem you're here This tradition will not die on my watch. That's what I hear when I hear your music, sick, Tell me about that yeah. It's been spent quite a journey for me. I, when I first I got started with songwriting. It was with chip, Taylor and We were in the IMF economies, music world, which was kind of just getting started back them says a while ago, and I definitely leaned into my west taxes. Routes at the time happened. My family comes from where
access my grandmother grew up in a town called Memphis taxes as she's to go see, Bob wills once a month in her town square, at a dance and that since Playboy, oh my god, so I found myself can't leaning into that really embracing the fiddle and my my first recordings I really leaned on that taxes twang it just kind of came out that way, and I love country music, deeply, I've always listen, but it's been around me growing, appear in Austin, but about. I don't know halfway kind of into that journey into my my career, especially once I started doing solar records. I crossed had this feeling that there was so much of me that was not being represented in my music and pay. Really considered me to be a country artist or american artist, and I, did singing.
One song per show in spanish- I was just getting to know the music of my great aunt at the time her name was ever Garza, so she my grandmother, not one ferment, this Texas, but my other grandmother, from San Antonio taxes. She was her sister, much older sister and ever so was a big star and when she was in Mexican sounds she had called records and was really from the late nineteenth Thirty's up into the sixties, and this Someone my grandmother, always talked about, but I kind of thought. Well, I assume She might be exaggerating a little bit I was gonna do, but then, once she put, all of her vinyl. She had them digitally recorded and she sent me a stack of cds. It was when I was living in New York and sat carry. You need to listen to this. You need to know where you come from and the music that our family First time I put on one of those recordings, I just sat down and wet
was so emotional and stand that that is somehow in there's some little thread of dna and me from my great at just Mind boggling. So that was the beginning of my. Education and me on families, musical past and just in our musical history you're and taxes are by cultural, musical history. I feel like I just really been exposed. Much as I should have at that point, and so I started digging and I started finding all of my gradients recordings and then learning about her peers people. Global ran, whose one of our great the greatest most soulful ranch, singers some of my favorite, singers heavier so lease just getting to know their music and also funding connection between countries. Sick and run shadow music. It's the same thing. It's like the mexican version
country, music and, so with my last record Lola that was. That was the first time that I felt like I've really found a way to present, all of who I am and in my music- and I feel like this- is a much more honest portrayal of who I am it's been as just felt so good to connect with the power asked and learn from it and feel like. I can something new that helps move me into the future, and I am not sway and hopefully way that educates. Other people like me who grew up in taxes and maybe dont know as much about their own past as they like to. Gotta we are as listeners. We are lucky for that exploration. So thank you for that, because it is. It is so beautiful. I just you had this beautiful video, part of a series paying homage to some of these singers tell me about
the woman who plays the accordion. Ah, my goodness, ever Ye Barbara Shaw, is a national treasure, so she's the Junta accordion player for San Antonio she's she's been planks and it was six years old. I dont know exactly how what she's not she's an older woman first of all what the music is a fairy Traditionally: male dominated genre of music. Very few women participate to imagine this little girl, six years old, with the huge accordion at there's photograph of her black and white photographs of her playing some family members and it's just so spiralling so the series in Austin that I started a few years ago called LE moratorium and its basically celebration of latin next culture through music. And we have an all star, banned, all Austin Base and we invite a different guest to join us for each performance, and
every guest has some kind of link to latin next culture. They dont have to be Lot next themselves, necessarily they just need some kind of like well are our for one of the chest ever bother and She is such a powerhouse she's, probably about. I don't know she's just probably about five feet tall, maybe five, one and she probably eminent gas, maybe she's, sixty more than six at least she's, probably a kind of seven. I don't want to. I don't want to guess her age, that yeah she's, ok, you're! Ok, I can say, is I want to make sure listeners know that she's, not thirty, now she's, here, yes, she's, left and ever is early such she, so petite, and yet she is such a power house comes out on stage and she just owns it like her presence huge her passion is outrageously huge. It's like you can physically
if you're on the audience is like you're feeling disturbing below own back, like you're, on a roller coaster. A virtuoso on the accordion she's super super passionate singer, and I'm just so what ye YO to have got to know her and that she was willing to to come, be a part of our little show at the cactus CAFE for a hundred people. So yeah I'm so lucky to to get to meet people. Ever through this project and and document. Some of that. So we will make sure we link to- and I think did, Luke your husband shoot. Thus seated yeah he's a maker and a musician as well right, it's very convenient and to have a husband who also can sheets of decent video. I mean not decent, like I have to tell you that weirdly we watch that video during a family dinner during quarantine and
My twenty year old, my fourteen year Old Steve and I were both just in tears like we just couldn't eat it was had to put it was like forks down and we were just like I was just so beautiful. So thank you for that series will make sure if your listing right now, you can find it. You just have to see this. I mean it is. It is everything that's right with the world to listen to this woman sing in the whole specialist great. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Ok genus are, I met Gina before she tells us about her commitment to sure and heritage to say when I met her the first time I was starstruck and I was like each other's that Juno, we were at an it we're doing event together. Is that right? I opened for you here in Austin for a nonprofit right hand, try November which non profit, but yes, ass. It was, I guess, maybe not education, I wasn't sure, but I was light and tell me about the song you saying so.
It's a cover song, it's called the local media and it was written by at she Leno named hooliganism, Hauser, and it was made famous whether by the voice of Mercedes Saucer, who gushed king about powerful women who use their Bodies and voices as instruments, so she was I argentine singer songwriter, who was voice for the revolution really in Argentina. At the time when the government was killing it's on people disappearing, its own people and as I have sung, that song around the world. It's been one of those that you know I started singing because I think it's pretty right and it's you know it's got a great message to look on bia everything changes but honest. I had never really, I didn't know a whole lot about it and, as of sang it around, the world have literally had people come up to me, especially in Latin America, and say it's really hard. Many here. That's all as I quietly said because I know people who were killed, four singing God Gina, it that the power of music to
specially against power right when voices unite in power the kind of change that is so scary, you can get killed for it and that's Iraq's my world. You know, and then I've, I remember seeing it in Hiroshima. I got to go to Japan to represent the city of Austin and thinking. I was like here's a Texan didn't grow up with her latin routes. Singing a song written by it, she Leno made by an Argentine in Japan and the would not stop singing were literally sitting there and he does you mine, and I call it the happy Christian fade out like when you don't know how to end a song and you just keep singing the end of it, because she played out. It was much right and some sitting there and I was with another songwriter Nathan Hamilton, another fabulous Austin treasure and
you're supposed to be song swapping, and I swear this song lasted for like fifteen minutes, because the people there are so like I issue, though, which means sing with me in japanese and ages. Their faces just lit up and they were just like Gambia thought, look over them. There's like singing and the song wooden end. I was literally trying to do the happy cushioned beta like trying to get softer right and I'm looking over it Nathan saying I'm. Unlike I guess get ended. Have to tell you that it was the worst the worst opening act before I go speak because it took me twenty minutes of my talk to get my shit together because I had mascara down my face. My voice was because I was in the audience belting like you carry, though you win you seeing that you carry the voices, and pain in the hope of the people that sing it before you, I've. I've heard it signed before. I have to admit
never like using it. You know it crazy. That is thank you for one. That is such a couple, so we're sitting there. I we did a tour and El Salvador, my wife and I did some mission work there and we have a real connection to El Salvador and we did a tour and sore in. I believe it was a small one. Bit map will lead those names- San Antonio, that Bronchos and these were very rural people, which we had spent some time in rural Salvador, and it's so rural that men, don't how to women, and vice versa, and that often when we would visit houses, we would ask like the name of their children and they would say things like well. The girl, I think, she's, three, it's almost it's a very different way of life and people
It was almost like. They were social distancing before social distancing was cool like you would sit literally twenty feet apart. You know, and that was not normal and so is a very different way to interact and some sitting this room full of people and I'm an audience like. I need audience, interaction and so live streaming. Right now is killing me it's via units or sitting in this Foley, though, and I could not get a reaction at the audience. A lot of my music is very interactive, like people to clap and scream, and you know and at the end of the show we start singing dollar Gambia and I'm sitting there like these people hate us like no one's reacting. They To get out of here, whatever and oh my god, they see singing that song like a, a wave, and these are people that have lived through a massacre and that that's the kind of a song that heels you know, and so it was wild. Get to see hear you say that, like there
power in that song. I dont know what it is, but there is power and that song and it continues. Teach me, as I too, around the world. It is a weird combination. I didn't know whether I was singing for hope or in grief, but I think it was both and I think a combination of hope in grief. Is that most deeply human combination? and we were in it right now as a culture. Okay, so I want you to tell me about. Totally page jerk there you're staying with the euro x. The experience of me seeing you sing a song, but tell me about you. Musical journey in terms of how you have integrate your culture, your beliefs, did you see Are there when you picked up the Qatar eighteen, it was it part of your choir experience in high school, or did you make a deliberate decision that, where I'm from and who I am, is going to play a role in my music UNESCO?
honey, carry a love, hear your story. I feel like it's like we're so similar and so different in so many ways, because its eye wish. I had grown up in a family that had a musical background. I wish that I had grown up speaking spanish or being around music that celebrated by letting oh here it and I just didn't you know it's, it doesn't music does really run in my family. So much my cousin is an incredible piano player and but both of us are completely self taught. You know, and so I don't know exactly where that comes from and as far as Like my latino heritage, there is always been a very strong coursing through my veins to connect with that part of myself, but I didn't groups spanish- and you know my dad- grew up at a time when, of course it was his mother. Teach him Spanish, because you know people work in very physical ways that that was a bad thing and so
so for me, it's almost been like something that is simple: email, your mother attention, so its way to say like it's, it's always called to me and it's funny cause. I didn't find it until I went to Argentina on a study abroad. I was literally in Argentina, and I heard this music called chuckled Meda and it's a rhythm, it's a full chloric tradition. Firstly in the north, western part of Argentina, and a little. Just was fascinated and I also live dongle and I just love to being in Argentina was so far from what I knew here in taxes and so far from kind of the Latinus there was presented to me You know- and I just I fell in love, and so I literally came home and I attempted to write my own Jakarta data and I completely failed, but I ended up writing a song. The people love and it's one of those things that I literally ebbed play in a coffee shop right and no one's listening to you in a coffee shop. You died
in a coffee shop- and you know people after an hour long set- and they say Haiti have anymore that like flamingo stuff and I like not flamingo, and actually I don't- I just have that one song, but it's the only thing that I would say in Spanish, and that was the song the people wanted to hear and most of the audiences are white improbably dont, speak Spanish. You know as well as the weirdest thing to me that, as I was Ok, well, I love I love this two select dive in there, and people have always loved it in now and then I'll put out bilingual songs, and I don't It's just kind of bringing people long for the journey, as I discover my own latin routes and. People seemed to enjoy it and I love it. So hurrah I love hearing these stories, but It's so matches the sense of discovery that I feel when I listened to your music, both of you such a powerful part. Ok, I want everyone,
shoe now. Oh about what you're doing in the world how can find out about you. Three things I want to ask both of you. So can I just ask you and again and, if you're listening, if you're like on IRAN or walking or driving, don't be scrambling because will put all this on the pod cast page with direct links about how to find them how to get albums, how to watch what they're doing and be a part of this cause you don't. This is just these women and their music is the bomb we need right now so carry the first thing I want to ask you about: is Oh, my god, a song for you, you're series tell you what it is and how you came to it. Ok, on, for you is a video series that my has, I started at basic- it's the two of us playing songs in our little music room and are nine hundred and fiftys grief at home. It is our way of connect. With people right
during this quarantine, we started at the first week of quarantine. So our first you can back and see our first video is made probably around March fourteen or fifteen. You know it has truly ban therapy for me doing a song for you There is so much emotion that I don't quite know how to process and talk about. Sometimes throughout this whole experience. I know that were all in the same boat you know and suchlike. For me. When I sing a song, I am able to kind of get down to some lower levels there and and processes. Ocean. So it's really, then such a therapy for me to sing songs for people and I like doing it as as opposed live streaming. I like being well to fund these things on our own time, and I can imagine people there with me and listening, but I dont have to be interacting
the screen and that same way on written comments and things like that. So I've really. I really like doing that also My husband is a video which is so, can we yet during quarantine when you're a musician- oh my god, I'm so grateful. So you know he's he's lot offenders, trying different techniques and things on the video end, but that's what we do. Our sun helps us or four and a half year old, on crews here producer right that the producer an engineer he has now learn. He knows way more about video. Audio technology than I do? I mean he knows like where, anything goes put what's plugged into why what program she used to edit everything, it's really funny, so it has be a family affair because No other choice, carollings
together. It's really funny gives it a twenty. You see the twenty forty edition of a mocking us I'll, say so. Tell me how you came into music and also well turn corn than during the quarantine of twenty twenty. My mom and dad made a series- and this is where I get you this is this- is helping start and we don't know exactly so It's amazing. We will link to it, so people can find it. We love watching it as a family, ok Americano, the musical yes well, it's Gina genus, doing like a wild snapping right here is, carries talking about this tell me about America, the Musical gay Bolsa. Now I found myself in the position of having to say I'm composer lyricist of a musical, which is something I just would have never imagined. Only sister crazy, I'm a night of barely seen any musicals honestly, I'm just now starting to like catch up because it's not it's just not been. Something
kind of in my world. So I was approach four years ago by a producer, Arizona and Jason rose. Who was working with the team, writers, and they were writing birch. Story of a very inspiring young man named Tony, while the Venus he is a darker recipient he's been in, since he was two years old, and I guess basically historians this- he grew up in Phoenix. His parents did not tell him that he was undocumented, so he grew up thinking that he An american citizen, he was inspired by the two: Judy of nine eleven to become a marine that that event made him just want to protect his country and serve his country and so his whole young life. He was gearing up to become a marine that was his dream and when these eighteen he goes to the recruiter and starts talking
filling out forms, and it comes out that he does have a social security number in the recruiter start asking questions as son. You need to go home and talk to your parents sounds like there's something fishy, so at he finds out that he is actually not an american citizen and cannot join the Marines and his world is broken and he's devastated. That's the end of act, one so, while he said then from their basically Tony finds a way to still contribute to his country. No, it can't be a marine he's up starting been a column machine who helps politician. Skills did. You are making positive change, especially for immigrants, and he has opened his met with Obama he has met so many people all over the world and affected. So many people on and may so much change happen and he sold and have his papers and I can't go vote, but he is making such a huge difference in our country. So
We wrote a musical about em. It's been the biggest challenge of my life when they watch me about this, I mean my first thought was wow. I, This is gonna, be so much harder than I could ever even dream of. But how I say no to this opportunity. To have a hand in telling Tony story and the home oh really was just to portray the human of this story and make tony someone who every can relate to and can look two, no matter where you come from or what you believe. And it's you spend it spinning credible. Yes, it's been freaking hard, but the premier in february- and we I'd soul. Shows and we had people from really different accounts come into the show and giving us incredible feedback like people. Coming and saying you know what I thought. One thing before I came in
here and now I think another thing about immigration and about dreamers, and so that's what it's all about and I'm you now I'm right now. We can't do a lot with that, but we have plans. Our next step is to try to mount it in New York, so were making progress towards for the fall least the early steps and suspend, are really wonderful, wonderful experience and challenging. Congratulations think, and I cannot wait to get to a ticket to see in New York, I've, ETA, shrilly cat and here's to doing hardest shit things for the right recently site, but I hate it a truly hated Ya'Ll, but it's the real. If the crazy you know like I've, only ever written songs and away just I'm inspired like you know. Oh I'm feeling something rightist lie because I'm feeling it genuinely now, but this was like you, have to write a song about a school
word meeting where there are four different points of view and five other people in their opinions and make it really fun, and let's put it to Colombia, because you know we want people to be able to shape their while their listening. Relatives, it added spire you to write something for you. I know shudder, congratulations! I can not wait. We will wait to will keep an eye on it Coming live album and I wanna hear about that and your most recent solo album ship and yet live album is is just getting started, but it's to be a compilation of our local authorities, performances, that's the Sierra I've been doing in Austin and will have performances by hopefully each guess that's dissipated so far, Gina has been aghast in the past and I can't wait to share with you a track Gina and have you see if you like it, but for this record so yeah that
I am not exactly sure when it's coming up, but hopefully within this before the end of the year. I also say that we put out a little record for the musical called Americano, the musical we did it with the arranged. His name is said. Human thus has a ban called Orkut come in. Yes, that's great musicians such good music. So, yes, you can check out songs from the musical on that and my most Solar record is Lola. It is about we got it so good to me to stop her second and just say: look it's so good. So go headache. You going way it's what well say that it features. Gina on a song, we co wrote a song together, cobbler with him on this it's an english spanish. Spanish and Hopefully, I can get another one go in here. Pretty soon, I'm ready to to dig. To another seller record.
And I'll. Tell everyone listening right now that we have the great we ve been given. The great permission to play loved him at this after the podcast, so we're going to end this podcast with a full plain of that song so so excited. Carry your busy where the neighboring making music yeah it's the four year old. That really keeps me them. That is a really busy, but I would have fun age to arrive at the last. It's wonderful! to blast we will link to everything that carry has going on, including this. She just mentioned the musical that we can listen to you. I think you can listen to some other non Spotify right yeah. I listen to that. Ok, Gina, daily. The woman in charge. Man, you ve, got a new about. Tell us about it
do yeah you're talkin about solar records and spanish. My first all spanish, album it was- was to be a full length, but the core. In times we ended up putting out an ip, but I am so proud of size is called lucky Monday, which in Spanish, is kind of like she bore. Sir, woman in charge, the one who calls the shots, man I'd, so exciting in for musicians. It's like it's like a new baby right. But I do feel like this is definitely pudding, this record is: is a bit the challenge, it's like looking at yourself in the mirror and seeing them the potentials, The best version of yourself and since kind of a challenge. You know I literally us reading M managed. I just started reading untamed by Glyn Doyle, and, unlike us today, I literally just read: this quote will continue to become only if I resist extinguishing myself a million times a day and
I feel like I've. I've just a word then, to the fact that I have spent my entire life, making myself so small, And I am at once so sad about that and furious not only at the world for having asked me to be small, but it myself for having swallowed it, and I like this record is literally a revolt against that. And I do I do feel like this is probably a volume one. You know I love the idea of luck, Amanda and the idea that you know what this war needs right now. Is women using power that is within us, I just hope that my music can help inspire a little bit of that a little bit of us too, to see the fire it's within us and instead of it extinguishing it just letting it out so
I don't know I'm excited. There is a wrongness to this album. In you- something I've never heard from you before, and I love all your music and I have listened to all your music and I listen to all your music. There is something in this new album, That is just fire when I feel like to have heard this from a lot of people, and I he I feel in myself, there's something about singing in Spanish. That legitimately feels like a different voice. Inside of me and along those lines, the title track was on we're sure recorded that in quarantine. So that was the last piece before we can put this out and got delayed, of course, because of everything, but we finally able to record it ends. I wanted it to feel A tribal you know it's lit it's very much percussion and vocals men and he knew bidding Qatar, but for the most part, its precaution, vocals and,
Even the way I sing it is inspired by an indigenous style of singing. I can then find a name for it. Honestly by its it's like scream singing, I literally took videos of myself singing it to prove to my wife that I did it it does. I was like yeah, I I in the studio it was like. I found a new voice inside of me and was honestly quite like I was just sitting there with my producer like ok, this is gonna sound awful, but I'm just gonna just keep rolling it, and I'm literally just gonna kind of scream here and to hope something comes right. And I think in the same way, that's exactly how I feel is a woman. Is that it's like there's this. It's a straighten, it's a rawness and its also justice connection tab to the earth her to how the beauty of women. The end
We ve been squashed throughout history and told that we can't and that we shouldn't and that were not leaders, and if we speak up we're bitches- and you know it's just like No you know so I don't know. I guess that's what I feel like this album is about and- and I think, yeah the volume to in my future. I love as you can hear and feel your largeness in this in they songs just yeah, ok, music, video July release. Tell me What's gonna happen, so it was probably maybe a month and a half into quarantine. And I just remember so you know you have to remember. As musicians, especially I was literally in the road every Wednesday to Sunday for the most part, and I'm talking flight eight so word be now get on a plane with five b band running a car? Doing the whole thing right for weaken tour short tours?
Now in quarantine and, of course, my wife's in quarantine and so were home all the time together, which is beautiful, you know it's wonder: to finally be able to spend time together, It also hard, you know, because out a new dynamic in your. Always in the same space together. And so I just remembered thinking I was like it just hit me It was actually bernay after hearing your inner, with her Burke, and you know talking about survivors I stick abuse that one day were literally working out and it just hit me. I was like oh my gosh. I love my life at home, and this is a safe space. But it's not perfect Alla time. I cannot even imagine what it's like four. People who are not in a safe space to be cooped up. I just started thinking about new ways so heavy on my heart, and I thought you know what I did
This vision of uniting dancers from across the world And just reaching out to people to speak to survivors of domestic abuse, with my first single off the record called Asia, which is a very poignant song about Kind of that power of women and revolting against you now without the lies. The world has told Us- and I don't know it just it literally was kind of a vision. Just came to me, and so I started reaching out to be born Instagram, because the other thing I thought was well, you know what most of us are sitting around now creating in the ways that we used to create, and so what do I have to lose right? The worst thing someone can say is now so I literally started, finding dancers that I was enjoying, and you know we have a tangled answer from Argentina who lives in Paris. We have again we're here in Austin, who is a traditional indian dancer. We have hypocrisy
from allay we ve guy cash and tried to think of us. We have a flamingos answer, I believe she's from Venezuela, but she lives in thinking, California. You know it so it's like just be but a pool all of these beautiful, talented artists together to speak to something that is just continually on the rise all across the world in a calls to domestic islands. Oh yeah hotline our through the roof. And so I don't know, I just I'm really excited about it and, like I said brunette, I literally think the conversation you in Toronto had was the seed for that and some excited about it. Coming out, I've already seen the first couple cuts and you know hopefully you'll be coming out soon. In the end of the month at the beginning of July and actually the other part is that with even having released it ultimately will we're trying to do. Is raise money for organizations that support survivors, and so
We actually, there said, there's a group, a hostile survive to thrive that has run by Courtney Santana, who is also a musician and anywhere reached out to her kind of first thing off the bat and basically set here's the idea. Let me run it by you: can we partner together? and so my foot the director LISA Donato? She actually was able to raise more than three thousand dollars to go towards survivors. Domestic abuse here asked Austin and they ve been able to, I believe, put at least three women and safe situations through the quarantine it that's amazing end. Cut. It is like I keep calling the crisis inside the crisis. It is really an appetite. Right now, globally, and so so grateful for the work and if your listening to unlocking s you'll know when it comes out, as will make sure you know when it comes out and We can help. Ok Ninja Reba College Fund. Pretty good press riddick. Alas, yes, you member
at member me working for the telephone call colossus, eighty anti monopoly, Ass Bernard com. What the point is severe. I took this cause and spanish baby for a year ago. I love it Ella. Let's see, ok, unease haven't you. The short story is that my wife and her before we got married. We desire to EU measure ripe Jody re. My lovely wife Jody are now so before, We got married, we decided to do mission work and signed up with a catholic balance. Your programme called Venus. They sinister Salvador we lived with now we did we volunteered with young women in an all girl school and we were so moved by our experience and just felt so part of family in El Salvador. Just I don't know that places deep inside of our hearts that it felt really wrong. Just leave you don't be late, hey Cool mission look over piece out
and so Jody was uncertain. But what if we started a college scholarship fund? And so we talk to our seniors and we said hey, you know it wasn't. College and everybody raises her hand and were like who's going to college, and everybody drops her hand, and so we just ask them. Is that about, and of course it was about money, and it's also about a culture that does value education for young women and is the case around the world. And so anyway. The only way we knew how to raise money was through benefit concerts, and so we ve been doing that for the last GOSH ten years and to date we ve been able to put for young one through private Catholic University in El Salvador we have a paid in turn program that they get to take part of when they graduate and then have to new students that are currently going through their college careers right now, It's really hard actually because of quarantine cause. Anyway, that's a whole situation, but I
So proud of these young women cause there also amazing there their bad asses and I've And the value of just being it, european. You know, I think had so many champions in my life just being able to try and be champion for somebody else. You know I'm not down there getting the degree like we're taking young women from poverty, situations and putting them in a private Catholic University and we never thought we would- a hundred percent graduation rate. You know they're doing the work without us on the ground to help them it's all on them, but we just said cures: here's a door of opportune. He can you you can walk if you want- and on our first graduate. Her name is your mother and she is just such a beacon, seeing the change in her. You know her husband at first
She literally had to get permission from him because he doesn't even have a high school diploma. You know, and so in a much he's the society for her husband to be ok with her having more knowledge than he does, and so she literally told him because they had a child, I believe before they got married and she basically said No, I'm not marrying you unless, unless you allow me to go to college and then now she has children and her young girl she's. She told us we got to go back to El Salvador a couple times and just kind of revisit reconnect, and she said my daughter. Will learn English, they will grow up, they will get a college education and that's the kind of thing I'm a change that uplifts societies and that was so exciting about all this in our. Make sure. You also know a lot about this college fund. Also on our part page, there's gonna be some great. I want everyone to come these pages. I want you to lean in
fall in love with carrying Gina. Like I haven't, I have answered the big quintessential philosophical question. I came into this interview to answer, which is: why is your music, so soulful? because y'all. So so I mean you are both activist artists. I talk about the time this idea of integration, idea of how it's too big Egg developmental stage of adulthood is to stop. Com heart ourselves in the pieces of ourselves where, where mother, partner, music, An artist activists and just become integrated in its there is no separation it with either one of you. You just bring it all and were so grateful for that, because you can hear it. And your music. You can see it in the work. You do, and am I proud to have your music on the podcast. I'm so proud that every time
people's right. Listen to these conversations about what it means to unlock, who we are they here ya. I mean I'm really grateful. So we're gonna go out before we go out with the song that you have done together, a collaboration right. I have a rapid fire for both of you and so on, colleagues have been started. Encouraging a you, can't, listen. Oh believe me, I study for this. You know why I did not wait. You know why it's because you'd call it rapid fire and then some people end up talking for like minutes on one subject, I'm like your its rapid fire come up. Ok right! Do you know what we'll start? You know what we're history? Would you do that you just read it, but here I asked for it and you are not even pausing between them. We're gonna go faster and you ready
look Jamesina, she is not scared. So trust me. Ok, I'm everyone! I never one fill in the blank vulnerability is believing in myself number two your call to be very brave, but you feel the beer in your throat. What's up thing you do think of ten p. That should have been called before me. And then I just say yes anyway. I love that. Ok, What is something that people often get wrong about you that I'm thoughtful I really nice I got my life in our. I were boy laughing so much about this. It's it so true, though it's my wife, whose thoughtful adjusts, if like a rip off yeah. That's good, The last tv show you Benjamin loved, like us, are capable or money. It's also called money heist in English. So good Favorite Movie, one of them money. Python
Holy GRAIL I got wafer then met. Ok, a concept that you'll never forget. Brandy, parallel favorite meal my wife cooks, that's a cop out, I'm sure favorite merely she cooks. I just love everything she What would she does a korean bowl? That's really good. Ok, What's on your nightstand, try, champagne bottle! That was made into a lamp that at my grandparents wedding, cod It's amazing! I know I love it. Ok a snapshot of an ordinary moment, your life, it gives you joy, ok, so my wife and I just bought, will didn't just by we have we have a big couch with finally bought like a grown up couch and there's a chaise lounge on it, and so we set on the ship, the chaise lounge, and we finally invested in the New York Times crossword hoping to do the crosswords and been now are obsessed with the spelling bee, which is lit.
We like you, have to have anyway, go look it up, but we we literally sit on the couch and we're like ok go and you press it and it shows you- I think, lakes, seven seven letters and then you have to make all these words, and so we like battle for who gets the first word anyway, I'm so find to me that had I could just and out on a couch with ok tell me one thing: you're deeply grateful for right. Now, I'm really for that I actually get to be home with my wife and kids forced to be to read. Tat. She bought me a hammock we get them Hang on the hammock and battle the mosquitoes elevate, beautiful ok carry you ready and I'm actually nervous now gone yes, that's it! I think I have to say you do with the war the war for the fastest eunuch. As you practice, you understood the rules and you won't be data, thanking obey him and wait Can I say one more thing? Yes, it right
we bothers me that everybody's answer to the first question is hard. The did. It is, but I actually truth. I don't know Renee, I think you should say you can't say heart now got Jeanne each other's rule. Forty seven be thank you, ok carry you can say hard number one on the blank vulnerability is. Letting yourself cry in front of people that's it I'm. You know I'm enveloping envisioning, crying on stage. I've done it once you ve done that your colleague. Well, I did that. Will rise by an agenda to that at a dead end up. Ok, carry your call to be very brave, but your fears, really, you can feel it in your throat. What is the very first thing, you dear laugh I'm doing right now. I just was giggling laugh.
Nervous laughter, I love. What is something? People often get wrong about you in that I am highly organized and efficient with my time Peggy Sue for sheep organise. Ok, the last heavy show that you bench loved the queen. What are your favorite movies? Well, ok. Recent let's not that recent, but just certainly watch Selma and nothing else come beyond right now. In my mind, tat, I know good entire A concert you'll, never forget, Mavis staples at the pan mountain Austin she's, a cat, church, I match her yeah favorite meal beans and cornbread always nuthin tops it. For me. I'm looking at my sister who see their aim and I want to say you can take the girl out West Texas, but you get
what's on your nights in New York Times crossword In addition, although I also do it on my phone element and the most recent Texas Monthly, with your beautiful face on the cover and some earplugs good earplugs, very important very important if you ve got a partner that requires earplugs ACT, a snapshot of an ordinary moment in your life. That gives you choose your my morning, jogs with son. So they will. They used to be casual jogs when he was writing a balanced bike at our local park, but how he just started. Writing a big boy bike. So now I am running my ass off chasing but it still done on an yeah yeah. What's one thing, you're deeply grateful for right now thing with my family, in this whole house with the people I love the most and the whole world.
Ok. You know them, you know more about them. If you're just mean, and for the first time you can think me later carry Rodriguez, Gina Chive as the amazing musicians that who, composed and performed the music for unlocking ass. And What do you want to tell us about the song? We're gonna, listen to you on the way out where There is funny when we were coming up ideas to send you. I think this was the last one and I played a version. It's it's literally, a one cord song, true to form over here. It's a one cord song that I had one stu in its God, it's an actual me no written song carry just started playing fiddle over and we both like yes, it is a one cord song. Is that why it's called wonder yes,
oh my god, that is spelled o n e d e r. I cuz, I didn't know why. Then I was like, but they're even clever. It's like a play on words. I don't know what it means, but it is so good. So wonder so. You'll hear that you'll hear the fiddle and it's a big you. It's a ok. So tell me about the ultimate. The Mai this year was was a song we wrote together. I was pregnant, the time, I'm a bird gina had just met at that songwriting competition and she came for my little garage apartment in Hyde Park- and I remember I was so jealous tuna because you brought wine and I was a little nervous because, like you know, when you're writing with someone for the first time, it's it's that's a vulnerable thing to do and just to put your ideas out there. You know, especially when you're so conscious about. I know this may not be good, but anyway I was closely watching you drink that glass of wine, but yeah
we started talking, I mean if it was real. We were talking about past relations, son for free, end of things. I was kind of going back previous relationship that had you know that was stick with me, and some of those ugly words in it, and it was like my way of letting it go. When you put something into song really nice way of just letting go of that been holding an first, long and putting it out the world. So it's just not in Had you anymore and and that's why did we talked about? It came up quickly sounds awesome. Gina Germany it's a remembrances about that day. I mean You know I definitely. Like you said it is a very, very vulnerable thing to sit down a right, a song somebody cause. It gets It's like here. You are pouring your heart out and it someone you ve
generally never really spent time with sets a very vulnerable act but honestly carry. I think. It's all owed to two year you sharing that experience. You know, and I think so many women can relate to that song. And the idea you know to me. It is very much as is similar to the songs that that I'm put how you know the idea of a kind of stepping in, your own power and stepping away from powerlessness and end. And calling out power. You know like calling out a power structure that asks us to to make ourselves small and so to me those are all along the same lines and guide. I so appreciate you sharing that story with me so that we can, we could creep Something that other people can find themselves in. Let's do. Morgiana, ok, hey, yeah for all of us here, Missus Carey, Rodriguez, Gina job as friends, musicians,
artists was, we also Ching ANA. We need to. We need a reduction going on and we were going to do a whole collapse in Nepal and Emily Cayman toward pushing Gonna. I mean like where you have to do it. You see these the title I now I mean I'll take a lesson. Their amazing visit, our show page for all of these links find him anywhere in everywhere. You can it'll be time that you you'll think me later Ok, that little ten seconds of the song that you just heard was the wonder song, which is Fun wonder as in one cord and just
I love these women. This is again. This is a show that you're going to you're gonna need to look at the show notes. I can tell you just very quickly that you can find carry it. Carry Rodriguez, dot, com and Spotify is also carry red. Rigorous instagram Instagram is tricky. Erica's it's at carry rock rig is like that. Is not a typo, so it seems. Are I e r, o c k? Are I e g? You easy you can find Gina child as at at Gina travellers on Instagram as you know, each other's on twitter, but look at everything we ve got all the show nets for you on their weapons. The website page. That's half web, episode on the episode page, ok and they told you about the song they did together. This is the special bonus that their likeness pay. This on the pot cast as an se, hang onto your hat, Cosette so taxes, but. Hang onto your heart and listened to Gina.
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