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Hey guys, it's rob here. Unfortunately, pain is little wonder the weather. So
hosting today's episode today, we're going.
Discuss all the latest developments in reference to gag order and terror Grinstead case.
If you recall a few weeks ago, the judge issued a gag order.
Preventing any friends. Family law enforcement or any potential experts are witnesses from speaking about this case c
The judges ruling seven,
prominent media outlets join forces in filed, emotion, opposing this gag order. Last Thursday March sixteenth Judge Metal
Cross, held a hearing at the courthouse. No Scylla too,
the motions that were filed to lift the gag order today,
we'll be hearing the audio from the courtroom, as both sides plead there
this is to the judge
in favour of it against the gag order. This is case evidence,
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The first thing we do today is listened to the court room audio from last Thursday March sixteenth
just a fair warning: it's pretty long.
Trimmed out as much of the dead time is possible, but its other
is completely unaltered if you wanted.
Straight to fill APOLLO ways. Discussion you can forward to around the fifty one minute mark after listening to the courtroom, Audio Philip.
Discussing his thoughts on the outcome of this proceeding.
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personnel and family members of the victim and the defendant. The order
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prior restraint, which carries a heavy presumption that gets even
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any restrictions, because there is a significant risk that in those instances such an order would be overwrought
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and also a finding that there are no alternative other than together
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or
pretrial, publicity alone,
beyond the fact that the trial judge had refused to change of venue motion
have a future request for jury sequestration and that other alternate alternate request to closure were denied.
Kevin said we can send the court order here, does not comply with the law and should be vacated for two reasons: one
right,
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There must be specific finding the facts based on evidence of record regarding the possible impact of extrajudicial statement.
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The order contains no factual findings, there's a reason to believe that evidence was provided by the court when the order stock.
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we ve heard the entire courtroom proceedings. Let's get some
Put from defence attorney and legal analysed, Philip Holloway, ok! Well, I thought we were here.
Worrying gag water modification hearing, but at the end-
what we saw was the judge revealing that she done something
much more remarkable she saw in order basically shunning with public out of the complete process directing that
all hearings, beheld
in camera. That means in her office until further or of this court. That means that
Any pretrial motions, perhaps
trial or even a guilty. Please could be done behind closed doors
in theory, Ryan,
when the judges office and stipulate too
actual basis, Inner a guilty plea go off to present and we would never know what exactly happened to terror. Grinstead. This
absolutely astonishing because in America we don't have closed criminal courts in two
ten, the? U S, Supreme Court, slapped downloaded, can't county judge for doing essentially the same thing, and instead in no uncertain terms that courts must make
every reasonable accommodation to let the public have access to criminal trials? We don't do secret. Try
miles or secret courts in America is just not how things are done. The young thing about
order sealing the record. That's remark:
was that it was done without any
kind of evidentiary hearing. We don't even know who asked for it.
Simply says it was filed February. Twenty Eightth at three p m,
they which party asked for it was a both parties. Was it neither party? Was it the corn on its own
that everybody acting together. If so, why
you know the answers to all those things
absolutely shocked by what was revealed almost by action and at the end of the hearing today, if it had
been for one of these media attorney, simply saying you know, look judge while you're thinking on this,
will you just instruct your court
have to release the records in the case of court records, and the judge says: oh,
probably didn't notice this, but I signed in order
equally ceiling it in addition,
I signed in order that said, everything's gonna be done privately in secret
the wording used in the order says in camera in lawyer. Talk that means in the judges office. That's not how
was to work. I have never seen
anything like this before in my entire life
I have seen limited court closed
for very specific reasons when you have very sensitive witnesses like small children, but not in a case like this, the
case scenario would be? That is if this order is not overturned or vacated, that the defendant can simply go into the judges office closed the door interplay of guilty?
if to a factual basis without giving any details whatsoever and glory,
spend the rest of his life in prison without the public ever knowing what happened to tear Grinstead, the public does in fact
have a right to access. The courts is grounded in the first amendment, the? U S, Supreme Court has underscored that fact.
In this order, simply cannot stand. I certainly hope the judge does the right thing unless it. If not, I would expect the appellate courts to do it for her
what I have confirmed as of today, Monday March. The twentieth is that the judge will
I include in her ruling on the gag. Were
some rolling about whether or not the order to close the court will remain in place. She could
I to reverse herself. She could decide
double down on it and let it stand, and if that happens,
It will be appeal by the media, but she
indicate that she's going to address it without the knee.
For further motion hearings involving evidence like what we saw less. We one thing. I would
everybody is that if they want to keep up with the most
Recent news and developments is to make sure that they checked
up and vanished on twitter, because that's where any breaking news will probably come? First, I'm per
link, went to keep a very close eye on this and justice.
Is there any new information about the court process we're gonna get?
right away
thanks for listening guys, don't
get Mediterranean? On Monday March, twenty seventh for episode, fifteen see you soon.
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