Hey guys, it's rob here. Unfortunately, pain is little wonder the weather. So hosting today's episode today, we're going. Discuss all the latest developments in reference to gag order and terror Grinstead case. If you recall a few weeks ago, the judge issued a gag order. Preventing any friends. Family law enforcement or any potential experts are witnesses from speaking about this case c The judges ruling seven, prominent media outlets join forces in filed, emotion, opposing this gag order. Last Thursday March sixteenth Judge Metal Cross, held a hearing at the courthouse. No Scylla too, the motions that were filed to lift the gag order today, we'll be hearing the audio from the courtroom, as both sides plead there this is to the judge in favour of it against the gag order. This is case evidence,

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Straight to fill APOLLO ways. Discussion you can forward to around the fifty one minute mark after listening to the courtroom, Audio Philip. Discussing his thoughts on the outcome of this proceeding. Who? see go ahead and get started. My hands while he sat down she needs make sure no, Mr Hudson was gonna be just paying. By far is that correct. I know somebody had him while ok, you can hear me Miss Johnson Ah,. You're, thinking more. When I hear what you have to say,. Rather than what I have to say, I M

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What have you Chinese found the motions present their arguments in this domain? Just about everything in response we have been hearing elsewhere on a draft wrong strategy. He goes further. Ok, I must say to you may begin, then Ok, fine, I will admit at the outset where I was I have ok, ok, escaping boss, defendant Ryan, Duke arrested on February 24th and charged in connection with the death.

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Justin long recognized by the Supreme Court in United States in this respect, It is with this backdrop that got orders are evaluated bully in our brief in Nebraska Press Association for the United States, right here, prior restraint, which carries a heavy presumption that gets even three schedule,

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why were you see any restrictions, because there is a significant risk that in those instances such an order would be overwrought prior and also a finding that there are no alternative other than together Shepherd versus Maxwell. The United States Supreme Court case was decided in the court order is a bit instructive as maybe and What Arthur

ass, the name and address they, were allowed to touch evidence and they were stations next to the jury, room or pretrial, publicity alone, beyond the fact that the trial judge had refused to change of venue motion have a future request for jury sequestration and that other alternate alternate request to closure were denied. Kevin said we can send the court order here, does not comply with the law and should be vacated for two reasons: one right, It is even see we're There must be specific finding the facts based on evidence of record regarding the possible impact of extrajudicial statement. That is not all The order contains no factual findings, there's a reason to believe that evidence was provided by the court when the order stock.

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And somehow get sealed I will issue in order for the court to release that, I don't think, there's a lot out there to be honest, I think the over the water happen, file, there is not an indictment yet so I'm not sure alliance other than what we hear about today burn I will ask her to release that release. You have that I just want to say yes to opening all up, because I don't know exactly which their got feeling in my has anything else. Maybe I'll have my email address? We ve been corresponding back and forth. So contact me. If you need me, my journey and Thankee now we ve heard the entire courtroom proceedings. Let's get some Put from defence attorney and legal analysed, Philip Holloway, ok! Well, I thought we were here.

Worrying gag water modification hearing, but at the end- what we saw was the judge revealing that she done something much more remarkable she saw in order basically shunning with public out of the complete process directing that all hearings, beheld in camera. That means in her office until further or of this court. That means that Any pretrial motions, perhaps trial or even a guilty. Please could be done behind closed doors in theory, Ryan, when the judges office and stipulate too actual basis, Inner a guilty plea go off to present and we would never know what exactly happened to terror. Grinstead. This absolutely astonishing because in America we don't have closed criminal courts in two

ten, the? U S, Supreme Court, slapped downloaded, can't county judge for doing essentially the same thing, and instead in no uncertain terms that courts must make every reasonable accommodation to let the public have access to criminal trials? We don't do secret. Try miles or secret courts in America is just not how things are done. The young thing about order sealing the record. That's remark: was that it was done without any kind of evidentiary hearing. We don't even know who asked for it. Simply says it was filed February. Twenty Eightth at three p m, they which party asked for it was a both parties. Was it neither party? Was it the corn on its own that everybody acting together. If so, why you know the answers to all those things absolutely shocked by what was revealed almost by action and at the end of the hearing today, if it had been for one of these media attorney, simply saying you know, look judge while you're thinking on this,

will you just instruct your court have to release the records in the case of court records, and the judge says: oh, probably didn't notice this, but I signed in order equally ceiling it in addition, I signed in order that said, everything's gonna be done privately in secret the wording used in the order says in camera in lawyer. Talk that means in the judges office. That's not how was to work. I have never seen anything like this before in my entire life I have seen limited court closed for very specific reasons when you have very sensitive witnesses like small children, but not in a case like this, the case scenario would be? That is if this order is not overturned or vacated, that the defendant can simply go into the judges office closed the door interplay of guilty? if to a factual basis without giving any details whatsoever and glory,

spend the rest of his life in prison without the public ever knowing what happened to tear Grinstead, the public does in fact have a right to access. The courts is grounded in the first amendment, the? U S, Supreme Court has underscored that fact. In this order, simply cannot stand. I certainly hope the judge does the right thing unless it. If not, I would expect the appellate courts to do it for her what I have confirmed as of today, Monday March. The twentieth is that the judge will I include in her ruling on the gag. Were some rolling about whether or not the order to close the court will remain in place. She could I to reverse herself. She could decide double down on it and let it stand, and if that happens, It will be appeal by the media, but she indicate that she's going to address it without the knee. For further motion hearings involving evidence like what we saw less. We one thing. I would

everybody is that if they want to keep up with the most Recent news and developments is to make sure that they checked up and vanished on twitter, because that's where any breaking news will probably come? First, I'm per link, went to keep a very close eye on this and justice. Is there any new information about the court process we're gonna get? right away thanks for listening guys, don't get Mediterranean? On Monday March, twenty seventh for episode, fifteen see you soon.