There's more than one suspicious person in this case, and it's time to explore them all. Plus a twist that could be a big break or another white rabbit.
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Previously on up in vanished on Friday October, Fourteenth six forty three a m terrorists Marcus, Harpers, mother and email. If I did not get a crap about markets, you are and his feelings I would not be in this state. Fish were all about me. I would not want markets just remind Marcus. What I said about something happening to me or even him. He leaves it as in something may happen to me. Like a good, though the knight of the sweet potato Paget, he knew something was going to happen. He do was not her normal self and everybody can tell you that he was by no means not acting on the second piece of evidence was a business card found in tears, front door. The car belong to a friend of here is family. A police officer from a nearby town called Perry Dick. I guess he dogs parade police. Late Sunday, night October, twenty third tier asthma.
Concern because she wasn't responding so she asked his family friendly go check honour, so he drove there with the sole intent of checking on terror. Oh yeah, do you think it's odd he's. Dykes didn't see the glove on the ground. I think some unusual dealing with a veteran detected the only thing that the dog's showed any indication to burn a burn house. We determine that they were responding to synthetic lines, are sewage by their return among other they did, but your body, a guy named Michael Link, furred owned vehicle. The homeowner did not only wow what I'm the man he saw a light. For our part in the yard. I said There was individual in there and that individual said something to him GB I went to talk to them, so they clamber We are discussing today about a blight rub no kind of on composite. They never got anything close to that.
Marcus. They wrote around together in the cop car that night and made several stops and reference to a man named Binny merit it. There's no reply somebody merit. Then we're was Markus Ferber We have one or report date was actually ten. Twenty seventh Any other report on Benny Merit NASH Someone when we on him, if that's true, then somebody told about face, lie Dude and tired, tired and ten years ago today, working the land arrived anybody inefficiently, please this missing persons. You guys soundings answered. I wear a paragraph from tender for tv letter. This is up in vanished, given negation of terror Grinstead, I'm your host pain, Lindsey PIG before get started. Have some good news for you. I originally put
breaking this in the two seasons and the net observe was supposed to come out in January, but my plans have changed of inventors will now resume with episode, seven on November twenty first, we recently had a huge surge of new listeners, and I want to. Can anyone is just now joining us. Unlike other pike, this investigation is pretty much happening in real time. So the content The episodes is always changing. Last minute. The reason for the break in the first place was and to catch up on my investigation and organised. Everything into episodes, but with the great support you're, giving me I've decided to do this every week up until episode, twelve, the castle resume with episode seven on November twenty first yeah, yeah. The new year is upon us, which resolutions do you plan to conquer and twenty twenty sticking to improve,
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you're on a phone line. I don't know who you are you give me the one killed her for all. I know I want to help you get me wrong. I wanders case on our planet. To my chest, laid out the Andean said the building ever Burner House knew that this was going to write evidence. Have you ever known on a criminal case? then your LEO and Martin on the table. They always keep so many back ceasing. Please don't evidence at the snub Dragon wrote fire. We didn't tell anybody. Oh I know they did. I gave a job. What was it again cannot. GB, I've gotta be appears, got it silence man about ban That's the one Jim Hamley. The men
the search with all the cadaver dogs. When I first call him a few weeks back, he was pretty reserve with me, but for good reason, Experience with this case really hit home for him in a first he was preschool. The goal of who I was and whilst calling in our first coming station. He told me that his dogs alerted for cadaver at the House fire on Stab dragon Road, but the second time we talked he opened up a little bit and you tell me that they found evidence there. What it was he couldn't tell me or lease did want to ever burner house.
This was going to destroy evidently have you ever known on a criminal case, then, to lay all the cards on the table. They always keep so many back so that if somebody comes up into all, she was wearing bluegrass. Well, that was not my report. Your guilty or the knowledge that your sharing is credible. Seeking, please don't evidence at the snub wagon road fire, but didn't tell anybody. Oh I know they did. I gave a dual wasn't. I cannot say, Would you be I've got it me up here? It's got it! That's all I'm saying about that: Pinochet, legally or regional ones. He uttered eager ask any questions that if I don't know you and there's not a police officer beside you saying. Yes, I can tell you this. I can't tell you then it's an active case again. Do them the powers to be that have an annex
and he gets to that thing. Its cards on the table. Ok, anything view allow too to see would be truly helpful for everybody. Not just me. Understand where you want- and I want this case more than you do a gear again. I'm gonna give you one thing: Allison We have a late hour player. We're gonna go to today would search a b and c and tomorrow, research Deasey and all of a sudden, the Miller night they get a clue or Google search d which, without by They rode right, Nobody knew leopards. Meeting the night before were gone and all we saw with her and though the near so then they send em regarding up their research and they never got back to snap berrigan role. Somebody was leading that part of the information astray. If you don't want observed to be sending them
Izzy, you know what I mean. I don't want him to go there, I'm going to call in a tip and have them go here, giving false information and send them busy. One of the things I would want to know the Ford expedition that was at that House The asking him at this time in your life is anything different. Wars say about that car ass, the days whereby people get a little rear, Can you go down the road? He may be a little freer with one where now. Obviously, after hearing that my most recent, what did he find? You didn't tell me by deftly planned on finding out. I started my investigation in early two thousand sixteen and it hasn't stop sense, literally
each week before releasing new episode, I'm still learning new information at something he's my own going into this thing. But since then they ve changed over and over again on the surface bay certain information. Case in Awaken seem pretty simple. It was easy for you to start the fingers, someone right away just based on a few suspicious facts, but as you dig a little deeper, you find their people who, after a thorough examination, look pretty soon? just two: The bottom line is not everyone, this case is guilty. It's possible. There was more than one party involved, but there's only one culprit here in the town thing is: these are all real people with real lives, and years and reputations at stake. My attention Always been to respect that has been said, or tv specials about this case over the years, and they also we're just skim the surface reciting the same old narrative over and over. I knew from day one
I wanted this podcast my documentary to actually help solve this, that I couldn't leave anything out. So that being said, I am going to present all the facts. And doing that make someone like guilty, then by all means. Please come clear, your name, I don't the dog in the site. This guy His unsolved because of silence the fear of blame. Terror. Grinstead was a prominent figure in oh Scylla. She was beautiful outgoing she was only thirty years old some with a long bright future ahead of them, but somebody took them away from her. It's been eleven years now right now, it's the dust off the cobwebs. No more silence, no more small, how secrets and no more Europe was someone else, may think. If some does know something that I'm trying to find out
about midnight Sunday, Kara, Grinstead, mother, say Grinstead called terrorist neighbour Joe in Myrtle Portiere, to ask if they had heard her daughter. Normally, we saw on an everyday basis. Joe Portiere said I told Faye. We had not seen her in her mothers sounded concerned you're talking to Joe Portiere Faye phoned Heath, Dykes, Perry, police d, and a close family friend of terrorists and her family and asked him to go and check on terra drive from hurry to our supplies. One hour in fifteen minutes after midnight, Sunday Keith around the terrorists house. Dykes left is
Is this card wedged in terrorist front door? Agent, Roth! Well, with later saying, it was certainly a piece of evidence that were interested in I mean a business card stuck in the front door of a person. That's now missing. The investigators leader learn that Heath Dykes had talked to tear around ten twenty p m. While she was at the barbecue he'd, also phone terror more than ten times leaving messages on our answering machine age. Roth well later said he was calling her all day Sunday. Brief telephone interview with crime librarian, two thousand six.
It said he had last seen Tierra Grinstead weeks prior to her going missing when she went over to the barbecues. While she was there now she read it saved numerous phone calls oversell phone. She received, one from a girl may mega Alan's, Megan Buzz out of all at a bar, which is worth Marcus. Hopper had dropped the end to see some years France play by and they're makin towel to her, but she but he's dogs do they made about, but twenty four hours, the terror cell phone in her off landline and left messages, and he was long term plans with terrorists Emily Sunday mad? So your mama all day she can get hold of a terror lights and a man she called Heath. He don't gotta, believe she called Heath and the girl drive the seller and checks
There are indeed rode down there, and so he was standing near her yard about twelve thirty, the quarter one Sunday, mad you're, detecting of all the years. That was the worse welfare check out everything done by anyone on somebody at their house, because he did do anything at all about there. He left his business called on slots going door, but I know Joe next or have a key. Nobody ever went the house a car? Was there? What I was interested in and I've never been able to find out in ten years is: when did it make phone calls did in making the phone call was before, Out in the tank it's a phone calls were made before one mean that Sunday bad, then certain major wrong. Why? What he's become concerned about war? Terrors, add why would he called it many times before they called him he knew what he was doing in front of our house Sunday night. He knew
she was in the house if you retraced heroes. Last ups he's dykes immediately comes into the picture. We know she was last seen, leaving the barbecue Saturday night around eleven p M and from there we don't really know what happened, but we do know for sure is that Heath Dykes was standing at terrorist doorsteps on Sunday night around midnight, he was We will be sent there by tears mother to check on her. You didn't see anything suspicious, so places business card in the front door and left, but the thing is he's a police officer. Me to sending it to his house that night did seem a little suspicious. Her car was in her driveway, her front door was locked and she hadn't been heard from in over twenty four hours, but I'm not the only one who thought that was a little odd in the weeks following Tara's disappearance, national media took interests in this too.
On November 14th, two thousand five three weeks after terrorists disappearance, the National enquire released an article about the case with some bombshell information. The article was titled cop is quiz over missing beauty. Queen was Tara having an affair with a married officer, This is how the article read a man policemen bombarded missing beauty, Queen Tara Grinstead, with more than twenty frantic phone calls on the day of her disappearance. Authorities have already spoken to him and his wife. He made and having relationship with terror investigators believe he told terror. He was going to leave his wife but backed out on the promise. A lawyer who has spoken to investigating officers said they had told him. You were ass. Messages were left on terrorist, answering machine. The call from a married man and he's a cop.
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So I think that the glove is like there's a fine night amount of possibilities why they could be there. He is not like its infinite reasons. A glove would be there. You I mean. What do you or those things it always only there to stage what happened in that house? What you call up, that's my friend Donald he's been helped me with the park as planned. The seems a little bit like call em up alot. Just talk about the case. That's why you would go in with globes come out taking gloves I'll see you now say was damages grows on you, but I don't think you're wearing gloves to a doctor. If she knows you, especially as your she found him probably going with you, I think your glow come back.
When the play you go back now you come out the door, pull the door lucky, take them up and put it in your pocket. One fallen wound you. We don't even know what other scenarios I can think of where they would happen. Was there at her house Sunday night at twelve thirty years bygone by one? Is it Is that at nine a m Monday morning sixty nine hours later? He was there at twelve thirty at night that glove was in the yard, so it most likely was there when he was there the chest, did not being there are very slim there. Mean that somebody between the time he left between, like one in the morning in my six in the morning somebody there was already there right. The business cards strange, because it's so formal
for somebody who is so close to somebody yeah yeah. You understand, I understand them entirely away with all that this doesn't matter right. Twenty call the frantic voicemail stop into the mob. Where did he called the mom damaging knows the man personally? Is she here? She knows him personally, because such a personal relationship crossed the border while he bade his car. It makes it look for more like no one could ever know that I was sleeping with this one. You I can't look like decrees boyfriend. I don't look like to get in trouble here. This is another weird scenario in this case, but the question is: does it actually mean anything haven't a police detective, who was friends with terrorist family drive an hour fifteen minutes to assist in the middle of the night, see this global. Was it not there yet was just too dark, possibly
but it was really sought on that to me this needed further investigation at the end of episode. Five, I called the urban County share deportment to see if they had any reports on Binny merit Fresh, your memory, Benny Mary, was supposed to have been the subject of numerous police calls on the night of terrorists, disappearance that both Marcus Harper and his body Sean Fletcher responded to these reports. Somebody merit didn't exist that also a pity, and they didn't the county either, but there was one more place I had to check the dispatch logs from that night. Never an officer is on duty. They radio, into the patch her each time. There's an incident whenever there responding to a night one one call all Information is then log by the dispatcher with times and names of responding officers, so basically that these be Mary incidents happened. They would have to be in these patch logs report date was actually ten. Twenty seven Any other report on minimum now should assume
When we got on him, ok display a harder one for you to get, but on how do I go getting dispatch logs I don't know this page large fallen, open, record's or not these presupposed. You ok, I guess you'd do the days that you were looking for work in the request and intended in. Let me give you two hours. Your Terry. She deal without open records. The first thing to hand the latter are not here. Breeze was despatched long. Yes, man, he turned his back and now the down. What day you need our or something much awesome. I can just facts in my request with my fax machine. Thank God is an app for that now, but still pretty supplies, but how easy it was to get these records. Well, not so far,
here you are my phone carry the facts are clear that no one can tell vehicles payments again, coy about this fetlocks world get them together, bedded, probably not gonna, be today paying again this petulance, I guess you down a novel. One call right: now you and dispatch logs was trying to get the director. She will be back around yourselves pain, Lindsey again calling about the dispatch logout dimension, but I don't know they were nine called out dispatch logs. I've got to go, but I haven't ordinary overtime dispatch logs. I have them I'm ready, but the thing is you're gonna have to have a further five April to be able to proceed Ok, so that easy. Eddie charge will be saying and this week fingers crossed. This leads me to a bigger issue with this case before any case in the state of Georgia. Under the jury,
Open Records act, all public, Goods can be made available to citizens sounds great right. Well, now, Secondly, in the written law was a couple exemptions that this request, one of them being. Pending investigations. That means in a case like this. That is unsolved, nor does it mean they can give them to. You just means they don't have to, and they probably won't. That brings up a vigorous, Who is releasing the police? The answer is no, as a citizen we're supposed to trust the government with this information even after eleven years and no rest. So that means like terrorist cell phone records, are real list of people. They ve swab dna. For any of that, just a big secret, the public, my hour, here is how can law enforcement This particular investigation is still in fact pending, for, I'm standing doesn't appear that this case is very active in the eye the public it does. You might there any closer to solving in than they were. Seven years ago, which is so we're clear,
no way trying to disparage the work of the GPA or the also appealing, in this case, it's been eleven years now. Obviously, whatever they ve been doing, isn't working the George Open records act actually declares in the first paragraph of the state is in favour of open government, then public. This directive is not only our right, but in their words, its encouraged slackened still submit a request for these case files, but good luck getting them. In a recent history. Submitting this request is often backfire on people. Thomas and says he and his lawyer were arrested because a fanning county judge didn't like the questions he was asking. He says it all started last year when he got a tip that officials in fanning County court room use the end word to describe a black witness using Georgia's Open records law Thomas and says he requested the transcript and the audio recording from court, and it led the coup
rapporteur to see him for one point: six million dollars claiming defamation for plying herein transcript was inaccurate, Thomas and says the co rapporteur then wanted him to reimburse her for the legal bills that resulted more than sixteen thousand dollars Thomas's, as he continued to dig in found evidence suggesting those attorneys fees had already been paid from a taxpayer funded account managed by superior court Judge Brenda Weaver Thomas in filed an open records request with Judge Weaver for copies of the checks, but she refused saying judges are not subject to the open records law thing he knew he and his lawyer Russell Smoky were being arrested for ideas be fraud, attempt to commit identity, fraud and making a full statement in an open records request. He was jailed in forced to take several drug test. That is ability to cover other stories on the floor. Beat was limited all because he says he dared to ask tough questions.
Where are you see? I've been on this case worked out our Bee Levin almost eleven years. You can you, can you imagine doing a package within an half eleven years? I feel terrible, last year have not been dealt with cancer so, but here's the thing judges to meeting wannabe web to are out there and in so here, finding out what more do his day. S work. One one led I've had this led for while in a more and more and more just do it, how do I just like a king, gonna Father at the end after dad, I'm just quit the gaze for my health reasons, the psychology of everything unless the cure, the copper is someone
totally off the radar. I think I've laid enough ground and ten and one slash two years off of a case to be made about my involvement in moving toward a resolution that would tell you something down in twenty ten, this individual he drove to Knoxville Tennessee and he got in the praying position and he's got himself in the head and killed. The question is: what does this have to do with Tara case letter. He said that he could not live with himself anymore, that he knew what happened to terror. He was threatened and he saw something that he shouldn't have seen there are certain to these do not want go meet. You maker lie,
after he left it. Twelve individuals names each holding the individual need a bit out. I'm a war is led one I've taken as far as I can take it the inadequate negates. Thank you guys, listing the episodes. Six of open, vanished, dubious who case evidenced episode next Monday in this season, will resume with episode seven on November twenty first, if you're enjoying this part, ass. You want to support good up and vanished dot com, slashed, donate, isn't a donation of any size. They'll go straight into the of this pact est dude later the season on open, vanished first question was reason urge their work more. I got a call from He hated me narrower, nay, my or threaten
long dark here come on. I really don't use evidence. People with the guy.
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