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the drive from dimmed to is beautiful. A far more scenic route compared to my derives from Atlanta to a Scylla, on the way to question you curve around mountainsides deepen the valleys. Passing by a series of ranches small former mining towns, picturesque
but tired ass. He approached the sangree decreased, a range of the Rockies, its wide open sky. Wide open road, just mountains, once you get the small town of Moffat Eternal, on the Colorado road tee at the end of that road, there's Kristen, People come to crest on our dreamers. Their dreams would cost money to come to fruition and no one here has any money, but that doesn't stop them from Dreamy Egon meekly this place is struggled, The mines gave out a hundred ten years ago.
Flash forward a hundred and ten years thereof, very few colorado. Towns left light crystal. I have been here full time since two thousand so eighteen years There is low level crime, people don't like their doors here police ourselves- and everybody understands this. I've been in a city for so long. I dont know what people think is an average amount of crime, You know what I think the house, I don't like the house. There's no police presence in this town, the closer policeman. When you pick up a phone and dial nine one one is in Swat a forty five minutes drive away so for the first forty five minutes, a you're dealing with some nut case you're on your own,
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The story they're interested in is from nineteen. Eighty want to present. How did this thing turn him to my spirits or centre? Where is this fancies and Blue Hannah Strong did ever remember, Mamma Mamma. I am convinced that the prophets of doom got to be taken seriously. In other words, these days is a possibility unequally. Doomsday is not inevitable. Very strong, Hannah strong in business, man the former member of the United Nations delete. Seventies Preston was merely just a ghost town, but Hannah Emory strong at a remarkable vision. For today. A man, own activities have reached the scale where they are the prince. Determining from its own future We are now expecting more. Changes in the composition of the atmosphere in the composition of the waters of the world.
Natural world, in which man lives and on which we depend, is indeed deteriorating. Is being destroyed in many instances, whether we are pessimistic optimist depends really on what we think about the nature. Whether we really believe that man in light of this is going to be widened and enlightened enough to protect himself. To this kind of discipline and control, Hannah Emory Strong purchase, thousands of acres throughout the San Luis Valley outside Cristo. Establishing area called the bucket Grundy with a girl, and vision in mind, create one of the largest interfaith communities in the world and restaurant at that. Over two thousand acres, the various spiritual environmental groups, may the largest of its kind in North America? today, crystal consists of over fifteen different spiritual centres. I have seen a lot of the planet.
Come back home and I compare the places that I've been to to this place in this place always comes out on top, so I'm not likely to move. The bar is set kind of high This is a world class place that nobody knows about around nineteen hundred Cristo had its mining boom, but the resources are limited and the boom subsided quickly. Having crestfallen into a long stretch of economic decline when the Colorado in nineteen. Seventy two there were a lot of towns like this right anymore by default, this town, is now unique. According to the: U S: census the town Prob Has a total area of point to square miles there, our very few. Lawyers here. The hardware store is one that growth restores another so
You're not gonna, get rich, but you can look pretty cheap, understand. Most people that identify with Christiaan don't actually live in town. They live in the box. The vast surrounding residential area. I've never seen houses like the ones in the bucket earth, ships domes, of geometric shapes, there's, no, Odin coat. The homes here, certainly Lecter Inhabitants, drives the characters that show up here you go if you could tell they're not here long term, and then you hope they dont do most damage while they're here, but sort of loose people in society. Kind of the shake, if you orator, shake A bunch of Dover stems and seas. Where that you don't fall into a little crack, those of the people
dams and seas of society. Just outside a town alone. The highway is a tall watch Tower overlooking the valley when I looked at it. I say: that's a big white bird Brain kicked. Anyone wait a minute. That's forty. Some miles away then So I watched it for two to three minutes and it started link it stroke and was gone I saw one ship. It was around ship being chased by a jet and another one. MR sitting in the sky was blinking colours and I'm gone and all of a sudden scoots about a quarter of the way across the sky comes to a dead stop when they
or make sharp angle turns. That's dead, give away right, think that is a! U s! Welcome to the european budget there have been documented sightings here in this valley, since if sixties account, two doors actually wrote their journals about the strange lights they saw here Candice. She helps opera, You have a watch tower just outside a crystal the Tuesday structure, providing a clear view of the sky for the poor. Just two dollars. You can use the observation that yourself really really cool since he opened in two thousand. We ve had a hundred and fifty seven documented sightings That's not counting sightings that people have had that have not written down for us. Judy seem twenty seven I've seen fourteen the native Americans, consider the sacred valley, and it is
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at night here above any highway lights, and you an objective view horizon to arise in the most phenomenal Scott you ve ever seen in your life, Everybody play signed the cast. We want to do whatever we have to do within the legal means of finding the people. Kristen as remote and even it's for hours away Rodney? Is Germany to get answers for his family. You know the people that I have to to their keeping this alive. It's it's gonna be like a fuse and that moving you knows
and the story alive and putting pressure on people buckle up, Get ready for the arrival of this just starting thinker for social media beginner we're just a cop. Yes complaining about my internet. Rod needs a guy who spent fifteen years trying to help crystal in every way. He could like a second on No. The guy lays awake at night wondering if you could have done things differently so that she would have been in different place and maybe not put herself in danger if she did that night, Every time I talked to him he's got this guilt about it, and I have keep reminding him. There are two fraction small percentage. People in this world who would take in a teenage stranger to help them out of awful life circumstance we need, of him in this world comes
getting solved give literally, would sell repossession he had if he knew would bring her home. This is Chris holding again Fox thirty one December It is amazing the number of people who don't pay attention to anything. It's incredible small town like that I can imagine that a lot of Amr trolling through their own social media, accounts everyday ten times I mean no thirty tv station that they can get if they dont, some kind of satellite I think they move there, for simpler life, a lot of people. Way from all that. Chaos of the news so or import than ever to have them. Flyer in her picture, rob people talking about it.
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audible, dot com, slash up or tax. You p, two five hundred five hundred again, this audible dot com, slash you p, or tax up to five hundred five hundred There is a wireless. You know I like that also makes me feel like a cowboy. This is David. A long time crystal Resident Rocky Hygiene dinner was singing about the rocky mountain high. You know what he was relating to, I think, was just the quality of what it's like to be out where, with these mountains and big sky, a room around here is just not that many
the skies of the darkest when the darkest places in the country, if you look fishers, no big cities nearby. We can see all the stars of the stars at Night Avenue Mount lines at your back door and bears. Oh, my God, David told me that the wildlife here was abundant and sometimes even dangerous. The faced faced with a mountain line, I was peering into the black depths of this darkness and back Haven two eyes. This came toward me I had my umbrella ready to protect myself in my friends the Edinburgh, because it had to have a button and push the button it pops open. And you know, sought out some movie and I knew that you know if it attacked me with with umbrella We get away, never have got out of the cave and
people I was with no, I told him you because you noticed move away slowly in how we five running down the mountain running, so I ran to The mountain lines usually steer clear of people. Unless you're wondering around in a cave but some of the animals often find their way into town, because the services the bay, the bears we deal with the most what refrigerators look like if they see a refrigerator in your house, they know, open a window, get in open a fridge and eat everything, easier, frozen, bus down a cabinet, each nuts crazy. Coyotes, I recently that everything pockets is very dynamic, place The animals are in our faces region, We want a David's friends had a frightening encounter with bare. Yes, Some food nor car and bear came up in
but with the door and managed to open the cardboard crawled into the car door. Close locked behind the bear. It couldn't get out, data car it ate her car distort her car from the inside out the steering wheel aggravate the dashboard show headed the seats shredded everything she found a raging bear inside of a car eating her car she lost at vehicle was done, they said, can't fix it. They tone. Here Once I was here, I couldn't go back to the big city. Life is like the I don't know. The valley is pretty magical, quite a mix of people, all age groups, of course, and a lot of the older people. Actually, I think, came here for spiritual pursuits. A lot of the really and seem to be open to other people too,
seems like I like it, because it's not so were nowhere were the ones in you're, not you know, everybody seemed to accept one another which is nice, just the presence of the place? You know quality of the land in the sky, vastness in the sky, many of our spiritual traditions. They use the vastness the sky is like a reference point for four mind In recent years, Cristo has seen its fair share of newcomers. A young come in now and like anywhere else is drug people nor crazy people. But you know for the most part, I think fairly unified community being awake, being kind person not being sectarian. Being radical. Although we do recycle.
Ass David, how the community feels about crystals unsolved disappearance is really terrible because everybody knows about it in kind hard to live with any we're. Just where does not. A commonplace nose like a revised. Come here. People are generally disappearing and people were not settled with it not ok, that she disappeared and going on two years. I guess- and people still talk before I heard and did you hear that all these Canada notions about what might happen, And to earn some you think I'm maybe she just went somewhere. Maybe she went to your country year something like you know but then on. Other people think she might have got mixed. When a bad element under that she might. Met the wrong people and nobody knows, but I've gotta is off a lotta rubbish. Speculation or things it, people actually heard
No one really knows what happened a crystal. We want to know We all want to know and can only disappear on account of wrong? Doing by the wrong people were, You mix people in theirs, there's bad eggs in their there's bad eggs, and we know it, but am I a few days in question. I definite my fair share of interesting people, but no one seemed to know any details about crystal shouted. This watch can share of deportment who's in charge of the case. Dan work on the sheriff here and watch county. I am the the chief law enforcement officials. In the county, and that's really what the job is, making sure that people's rights are not violated. Their safety is a priority over anything else. They ensure the public in these communities is safe, the county itself.
Is right. Around thirty two hundred square miles of very large counted cover Jimmy, help and from the Crystal Museum expressed it See was a public service police themselves, particular the sheriff about this town taking people driving down the street and you're going clean? This yard verb nearly service as not what we mean by police since they actually tried to work it out amongst themselves. Do it peaceful way, DR each other about it. You know you got Johnny, kids, stealing something from the store Sauron ever grab Johnny by the head and think of your voice and call his parents weren't, going to end a deal with it a lot of times, kids, There's some communities are restore the store owner. That does happen here quite often, which does ok, I mean and my day that was away that guy handled quite often If the store on her with your but for two great when you go home, you're still going get wet by your parents and you're still do the things the store owner expected.
The majority of the people out there, I think, are very good. People came up here for that, peace and tranquillity. Of this area, but we do have received the trust fund. Kids, in things like that have come up here that are not responsible. That mommy and daddy didn't want them around them because such a pain in their ass. So this down here for everybody else to deal with. I blame the parents of lilies. Quit enabling your children to be trash. You know your kids are using drugs in everything else, but still funneling money, John buying them their house and pay their bills. Knock it off make these kids grow a ban get alive. The people appear are here because they, their way here there the area they love the beauty of the area and their destroying the scene Dan was making a public service announcement to particular group. People in town we're here,
for two as the trust fund It's I ask him about the condition of crystals apartment. After the first learned, she was missing saw that her cell phone was there no kin bridge was not too far expired, but it showed that she had recently purchased. It was That should, by six months before and my daddy was purchased within, probably are weaker. Actual time of coming up missing What's in performance was suppression of the way. Little disorganized and things thrown about things like that. A bit of a mess but not like somebody, went in there ransacked the place. Based on dance first impression there is evidence suggesting a struggle inside her home. Then, where she go, you know a lot of people will step outside leave yourself, I'm sitting on the table. No big deal. Other people will decide, have had it and just go out the door and go for a hike, leave everything behind
is really individually based. What kind of and is this in this case. We don't know enough about this person, initially Sheriff department had difficulty, learn more about crystals character. People either had you details, we're just did Look at all but she was a guess, a bit private when it comes down to some of the things she did with her life so alive people around here say they know- are really wild than no much Are they sovereign passing the doktor on the street ask around town and every he's got a different opinion ocean of the mountains. To go to the F ones trying to claim they know this person so well. Whereat was her favorite place in the mountains. Nobody knows. Literally flying blind How was it that no one in town was close enough to crystal to offer more insight? Clearly, these people had to exist somewhere. With no signs of foul play in her apartment
theories, but that you were hiking in the mountains and had an accident Eiger they're, not really missing there just off trail. We don't know that you are hiking and got off trail. We don't know this she's, not hunters. We knows you wasn't out hunting hiking, maybe but everybody that goes hiking, that I've ever known the Jake supplies with it It appears she took anything with her as we saw on other rumours running or disappearance begin emerging, an age lay. A lot of people said that she want. To follow what the Rainbow gathering the rainbow gathering as a group of people. They literally gulf, placed the place camping in things like that, according to the unofficial website, for the rainbow gathering bread and sells quote brothers and sisters, children of God, families of life on earth, friends of nature and of all people, along with that
description, I found a slew of articles about the rainbow gathering colluding homicides, the missing purse. Cases orally to the groups. Outings very few people's that's got an event: these guys ever onto the rainbow gathering what with them. But then, why would you take yourself owner anything like tat. Now rainbow gathering most of em? Don't take technology with a little want the bones and all that stuff they wanna be off the B. Bad and away from the authorities more anybody at age, we asked ended Jack there camps just see if she's area so does tell us yes at the end of it and whenever they get response back from them saying he was there, so the presidency, Prime wasn't with them, but well so called law of course, in different areas where that gatherings in done and ask them to Jack, also never band out, so we're pretty certain. She wasn't there. We don't know enough about her
I asked the sheriff we plan to go from here- is a heavy burden I get it solved, but we need the public's help to do so. In most cases the public learn more about these cases, probably than we do a lot of times. Everybody on treat will talk to each other when they won't talk to us, the best waiver us to move forward at things is people to come forward and say about any paper you on any type of affidavit to get it or enter do whatever the had. You need to do this. To testify in court. That's where we can move further with the information The main goal for us is to give community safe and you find everything that we need to get closer for the family does not just let it become the typical called case where stuck in a while in the back room, a network sets until something comes up the sex. That everybody stop talking about it
that's when those files go to the back room and not looked at on a regular basis. I think it needs to be talked about a lot and kept in the forefront. I think it's going to take the public. I think it's somebody coming forward with actual accurate information the actual facts of what occurred the night of her disappearance or the day ever disappearance whatever it may be, girlfriend somebody from the public. If it's you, one of my guys, somebody from another country. I don't care if we can get it solved this the goal, Your story may end up bringing closer to this hey baby, ending that we're looking for somebody may come forward with. The information that is needed to actually but just to rest. Ready,
Friday afternoon, and I met backup David when the a stone locals here. We too his friend Michael's house. We set around sipping his favorite brandy. They should have similar drums. We'll do back. It's a damn big, but he's gotta. Did you deem it in his friend Michael essentially led the foreman drum circles and presto, and they were there than I Since I really didn't lower? Personally, I didn't get involved asker of it everything you know. Anything was all right. It sets a sailor. That was the last crystal was seen because it was the night before July. A lie. I asked able to describe drum circles sort out, Sloan people start trickling Jim Bay here in some Is there a few do backs and shake listen. There's one Bella. That shows up with a bag in
so people who don't instruments can pick something up In play and got a big fire, go somebody. This inspired will start due to be somebody else how to start at sea and how they can fit into it and Somebody sayings, guitar saxophone? so that every now and then since part is legal. There's always you know, I gotta go around. It is really quite level Lovely having fun jump circles, I'm just Folkestone myself, basically drumming JANET, harmonised with everybody else, and I can Mr Liese. The things that are going on just outside the firelight. Let me there when been forty five people, fifty people, I'm in the center of the circle and then there's groups of people outside just outside the circle it I did see that night,
she didn't seem right. He didn't seem right, I remember that much she distracted ceasing like she had stuff go on, but since I they didn't lower. Personally, I didn't get involved are asking Everything in anything was all right: so I don't know, did did she leave their go back to town, see that no idea if she left or or if she's, dial up in the woods and one of the caves or something up above the drum circle, She wasn't joys, She was troubled that was obvious sitting Wasn't by happy person, you can I'm so horrified. So Crystal live in a small Poorman building right in the middle downtown. Kristen
end butter, landlord or Mcdonald, and she walk me under the property So you see their blue green building right there. That's it the fence, but this was where my daughter- and I lived this right in those french stores- and we had the courtyard to ourselves and crystal was at the very end, on the top
where's free units downstairs for upstairs when she was living here, they're knocking out all the falls down there and turning the whole downstairs CAFE, but she was too a one which is just a studio room with me, bathroom and kitchenette, and she didn't have any windows on this side. Her closest neighbour was in two oh two, which was Jeremy. Sharp The last time I actually saw her in person would have ban at them. Pressed on very I bought her like you are the three beers or something like that we were just talking and making plans to hang out. I was waiting on food and then I want to say it was like two or three days later. When I first said she was curious about where she'd been
Felicia the FOIA her she had like a studio apartment. She had her on bathroom stuff and then I had like this tiny little two rooms in right. Next to her all right that she hadn't seen crystal are called me and said: she's going to contact. The police and asked us I'd, make a statement a cop shut up in our of the amendment, and I mean everything crystals are still there her on her tobacco. I know her very well, then you her well enough, not somebody which these rights backup of evil remaining suicide, now feel like. I was I had a good judge of gave us used, for she was pretty of having an embryo is violating again. You know we must reach her I'll guards did not think I need struggled and data, they sense, but a lot of different things. I'm sure things I don't even know but she never seems to be a suicidal type of person and, at the same time, just never did anything
hung about her daughters. I can't see merger side. Running away zambian honey. I don't even know it's ambiguous one day. She is here in the next six years gone. Maybe I make my answer the following day: the hang out of those beard, then I was anxious to scare was crystal having parties at the house. I wouldn't say she ever had parties, he does everyone, since I shall make three or four friends that guy, but it was, you know like a bit of a new idea, was never a late night drinking party than I knew of it. I was ever since I was never heard anything with bothered by anything. Do you know who used to start my there's a couple random people? that Dresdner that lived around pressed on that I see it. It was mostly must enable that she gets around herself when, where I would say people that I jobs,
Personally, I see myself ever like times it have a relationship of friendship with seem a little. I don't like stereotypes about away. They seem like methods. I just got a box you now. I am not going to give you some other people. I doubt if I saw I have another journeys. Description of these people I could but notice the similarity to the group. The sheriff was talking about the trust fund. Kids, I heard was just seen at a drawn circle. Something about you said she went off in the woods. Killer saw knowing personality. I don't see her you're, a man
I got. I have good feelings about it like it was very strange, that's just disappeared. I personally think it's somebody had something to do with it. We just don't know I mean that's just my personal gut feeling is very curious. If you like somebody in Creston either did something or know something. I really feel like. There was some sort of foul play. I sat down with or Mcdonald pistols landlord to discuss everything in more detail. I first met, her when she used to work at the brewery She was super intuitive super. Intelligent extremely beautiful almost Mesmerizing her eyes were really beautiful and mesmerizing. She could see right into your soul. Waste do reading trades, alot.
She was an intuitive. She was a psychic. We both are where she was I remember her saying to get away from the drug seen in Denver Trade get some clarity here. She was hoping to clean up and stay clean and just be someplace different to be able to breathe and lacks. She was in for a place to live. Eventually she would have her daughter come and join her and she was trying to stay clean from drugs. She me if she could have one of the rooms in the building. She said, was trained state clean? She wanted her daughter to come out here. I said yes, move in and then the weekly I left to go to Boston with my daughter for two weeks and When I got a ton of complaints when I came back from my trip,
she was having people over partying latin. They were super loud and keeping people awake content. Do what crystals neighbour Jeremy told me said that she received several noise complaints about parties that were being held in crystals apartment. She and developed kind of reputation in here in town for being unreliable? She started slipping back into the drug scene. She got fired from her job short. After she moved in and as she was desperate, find a job, and because of that you know she was pretty much broke show. He lived in the building for about a month. An section eight was paying the majority of her aunt. She only had to pay fifty dollars. I believe, out of her own pocket it's a strange town were surrounded by spiritual centres of all different kinds from all different walks of life all over the globe. There's a lot of you that come out here for retreats and meditations and
just to get away. Same sort of thing is crystal, and many other people come here to get some rest were get silence it's kind of a melting pot, a lot of people that a hard time with normal mundane society and are trying to get it from the city lots of we're panels and wells and people trying to live off greater, live in more sustainable ways. But we also get a lot of young people and people with various problems. We don't have police presence here very much at all. A lot of people coming that are running from the law. It's like the good the sword. He asked of sortie in with the best of the best, and it's all slammed in together here there so huge underground drug seen there.
There's a lot of extra again extent still live in town. That would never ever ever told the police anything because they hate police, or a seem pretty adamant about a particular drug senior across them. Well, was taking over. Everyone knows that the math seen as here, everyone knows who cooks the mass and who sells it. It just is allowed to continue. You know which leads me to believe. Either it's a pay off or are they Really, just don't care and you, don't wanna have to do anything about it. Crystals reported missing or was with please when they entered her home for the first time. I let him in we're place we found. Are found her bag, her tobacco, the window, open. The fan was on in the window summit
Lights were still on, it looked like she had just left and had every intention of coming back orbit in expressing frustration, withheld It is being handled Rise at least is doing more investigating into her disappearance than the cops did. I mean d a basically just in really do much at all, even with the obvious stuff. Having talked to the sheriff myself if had very information to go on. Eliza arrives and starts to put up a fuss. That's when they send a search party out to look for her for two days a month after she disappeared. Why Did you ever wait a month to go search for someone an it happen? beyond the two days when baby daddy is visiting and wants to see that some things being done? There is a lot of people that work to see justice done because the car didn't do anything
There's lots of rumours, there's people who believe that she just walked off and didn't wanna have anyone know where she was at that? I highly doubt that, she had a long history of taking long walk about when she was not feeling solid I can kind of really two eyes somewhere thing when I was a teenager where, if you get into an emotional funk, it helps to walk she really dead lover, daughter, ally and her daughter was our main reason for a living, aid. If she was gonna, walk out into the woods and purposely kill herself, I would think she would at least reach out to Eliza and say something with My intuition, I think either she action, the overdosed and they actually got rid of her body were digging for a bunch of drugs, and she went out wandering round in the woods and somehow got accidently killed by being on drugs, but
highly doubt that she purposefully committed suicide. What people We need to realise that people get addicted to drugs because there in pain, originally and their grieving. That's their way of self medicating. I crystals dead. I don't think she's alive. The only way that she would really be alive as if she's locked up in somebody's basement right now, Before leaving our his house, she told me, one more story to tell me about crystal some what happened to her? Just a few before she went missing She was late for rent and that's what I went upstairs at first. She didn't answer, but I knocked off. More times and then she picked out and came in the hallway.
Her faces. Blatchy in red and she'd been crying and looked like a mass. I asked What was wrong? She said that she had gone to a party the night before and she was pretty sure that someone had drugged her and she was pretty sure that she'd been raped up and vanished. Is an investigative podcast told weekly produced for tender for tv by payments? He might Rooney in me, murder Stedman this new episodes every month. Executive producers, Lindsey and Donald Aubrey additional production. I reckon recordings. Mason, Linsey Robber, Qaeda, Christina Dana are in turn is highly beat up array. Score by makeup and vanity set. The theme song is Ophelia performed by a rose, are cover. Art is by Trevor Isler,
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