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Ep. 37 - From Hong Kong to TikTok


China might be the greatest geopolitical threat to America, but is anyone even paying attention? Senator Ted Cruz and Michael Knowles discuss China’s aggression toward Hong Kong, the Chinese takeover of the tech world, and what a difference it would make if America begins to deal with the Chinese threat. Plus, in an extended mailbag section, Senator Cruz breaks down why he is so critical of Chief Justice John Roberts in particular and explains the benefits of a balanced budget amendment.

This is an unofficial transcript meant for reference. Accuracy is not guaranteed.
Well, we Americans are all busy fighting each other, our enemies abroad, you nor actual enemies or take advantage of this, none more so than the nation that started all the chaos in the first place. China, but the presidential election in full swing and all the fight we ve got going on. Is anybody going to be paying attention we'll get into it? This is verdict will take but in fact, vertical tat grows. Canals senator. I feel Miracle has been very introspective over them few months were all arguing over what statues to keep up and arguing over brands and without taking aunt Jemima off of bottles. Meanwhile, we do the actual enemies out their enemies. Who are encroaching on our interests or trying to undermine our country is, we pay attention to that. A look at it.
Is a dangerous world and I gotta tell you: the enemies of Amerika are thrilled to see America ripping itself hard and America divided and then they're using this opportunity. And sent our number one on that list is China. You, and I have talked about many times. I think China is the greatest GEO political threat. United States over the next century and and China. What what where the own a virus originated, will haunt China and and their deliberate cover up and censorship allowed it to spread asked the global it to cost over half million live trillions of dollars in economic You, China is using this opportunity right now to expand its influence, expand its power and while where having rioting and our streets. China is very quietly but very deliberately. Rushing ahead. Calm, democracy, but niece its jack boots and and and it's really dangerous,
I want to get into some of these specific cases, because I feel there not being covered at all. I wonder if there's anything We can do about it. You mentioned, cause. You know, Hong Kong is technically and ministrations region, so the idea being there's one country but two systems that since the British gave Hong Kong act to China and, in my view, somewhat foolishly in ninety ninety seven. Then there were these pro democracy, protests and now well, we're all distracted with the lock it ends and the Riots, China basically eliminated Hong Kong independence belly. It is come in and just just is decided that it wants to. You, make Hong Kong essentially fully a part of China with no democracy, with no freedom of speech, with no individual liberty and an that's directly contrary to the promise that The chinese government made when when China Room when Hong Kong reverted to China from from british governance and end
under. U S law. So I introduce legislation in the Senate the past in the law that mandated the state department re assess where China is complying with the commitments it made and whether China is protecting democracy and freedom in Hong Kong, like it promised, and the state Department, just right lay completed that assessment concluded obviously incorrect, way that no they're not, and that was even before them. Recent and and and most egregious crack down an end and that that should leave. To a fundamental shift, see what China is trying to do is use, Hong Kong as a way to get around. U S, sanctions get around restrictions on trade with China get around to get around all the barriers that apply to China, use Hong Kong
This see this is a free market oasis that we control brutally and, and you don't get to have your cake and eat it too, because I have wondered this and wondered why China care so much about poor little Hong Kong. There regressing now in the south, China, Sea, the threatening the Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam, the threat flying a flying over Taiwan threatening Japan I end and just most recently they seem to have invaded art of India. Well, you know the interesting thing about totalitarian dictatorships. Is there often much weaker than they seen an end, they're a of sunlight sunlight is a really really powerful thing and when it comes to China there terrified of sunlight such so back in October of last year, I did a trip to Asia and an eye able to Pearl Harbor, and then Japan and then Taiwan and then India and then Hong Kong, and it was
It was envisioned really as as friends and allies tour. So these are all strong friends and allies of America. They all surround China and the entire topic of the trip How do we deal with chinese aggression, chinese, military aggression, chinese hostility, chinese economic bullying, chinese censorship, chinese theft of intellectual property I met with the leadership of the Pacific Command Pearl Harbor. They described how militarily China has as a national strategy, stealing our military technology, stealing our r and d billion of dollars and leave, so they just steal from as they do it on the dust, your side- and you know if you The countries I went to like like China was yours, then I went to Taiwan, they don't like to acknowledge. Taiwan exist. They insist, it's a fair limerick, he thing, they call the one China policy that that most American administration's have gone along with that they just pretend Taiwan doesn't exist, so I actually
to Taiwan on Taiwan's national day. Which is where they celebrate their independence, which China pretends does exist, and I The first senator I think, in thirty four years to be an I want on their national day, and I join President sigh in in in reviewing as a parade came by and celebrating Taiwan's independence in Hong Kong met with the protesters. This was right after he had two million people in the streets of of Hong Kong, and I met with the pro asters by the way, their young student activist. Many of them are you no sixteen, seventeen eighteen, nineteen years old a number of them are faced: physical violence from from the chinese police state, brutalizing them and in the course of this trip, I did a Sunday show, dressed in all black and indeed a Sunday show lot Roma call lie. It is
solidarity with. The protest was because the protesters, because the and all black and all of that China is terrified. You ve got one point: three billion people in China that are being controlled by a communist dictatorship that abuses their rights, that strips them a free speech. That strips love religious liberty that that tortures and murders, chinese citizens and the governor is very scare, the citizens will get a taste for freedom. They'll see what happens in Hong Kong and goes hey we have some of that freedom. That they'll see what happens in Taiwan. Taiwan is a wealthy, prosperous place and Chinese nationals go. Why will how come we don't get some of that? and it is a sign of weakness on on China's part, They are so terrified of the sunlight not tell you who had this inside about a prior enemy. Which is Ronald Reagan in the Soviet Union.
Soviet Union in the Sixtys and Seventys Democrats, and why She turned academics there like oh, the Soviet Union's unstoppable. We can't keep up with it Ray and understood the power shining like that that that it it it it what, when Reagan's said this using union is an evil empire. All Washington was aghast when when he said that Marxism Leninism will end up on the ash heap of history that leadership that Bali hope it was powerful undermining the so regime and and when he stood in front of the Brandenburg Gate, said Mr Gorbachev tear down this wall. Those are the most important words any leader said modern time. While I believe Hong Kong as the New Berlin and just as that sheriff the soviet leadership. So too does the prospect of freedom to
FI, the chinese communist govern. So so you seem a little bit sunny or on all of this than I do. I've been feeling kind of down about it because China as you say, they steal our ip. They ve kind. Taken over the Tec World now with Tik Tok you ve got twelve year olds or compromising our national security with funny videos on their phones. There you ve got as we spoke about with Nigel Ferrajo now months ago, by the way for it for effort for Tik Tok Michael, are you and I gotta do some dance debts that, unlike such places or something, I think we'll because senator you know, I love national security, but I also want to get a lot of views with like a funny little Dan. So to me, it's a tough debate, but obviously we ve got to go for the views and you know it. We spoke to two Nigel barrage on this while way. Question David S, told a ton of five g infrastructure, telecoms infrastructure, I guess you know I'm a little less optimistic. Seems to me like China is really, aggressing here. Do you think it, sir? It's actually coming
in place of a be being a little bit of a paper tiger at source listen, I'm actually very optimist, and and and and that's not to diminish the threat that China poses. I think China will pose a threat for a very long time The reason I am optimistic is suddenly the world's noticed nine one ago when I was on the Asia trip people and why thinking. Where dismissing. Why are you talking about the threat of China? What's the thread here? Oh, come on It was all about money. It was all about the Benjamin's. They wanna make big bucks in China and there's a big market. There an end this covet crisis. And China's responsibility and comparability, for, I think, has really changed the way a lot of people perceive the threat of China and an eye the most significant long term policy consequence from pandemic is gonna, be a fundamental reassessment of the UN it states relationship with China. So that's a good thing. I think China,
the threat, but I'm glad to see some people finally opening their eyes and it is not dissimilar. You at someone like like TAT, chills efforts in the UK to point to the threats of Nazi Germany yeah and any you all he eat. He wrote wrote a book All England, flatten and about how England allowed Nazi jerk to grow, more and more and more dangerous. Now JFK actually took that same title and and an adopted about, but that principle I think China screwed up By being so ham handed a deliberate and covering up a global pandemic, There was ten years ago, even five years ago, this kind consensus among both parties that are right.
In China was good for everybody. Oh how wonderful that they entered the World Trade Organisation. How wonderful that an end! I think, Certainly in the last few months we ve realized there are some seriously negative consequences to rising China, so so your rights aid is undeniable. People are waking up. That is a very good thing. I want to get too one mailbag question senator be cause. Why people may not want to watch videos of us dancing on Tik Tok they finds you on a new social media platform, which is coming up in the wake of of twitter becoming so aggressively censoring of conservative content. You have joined parlor, so I. Join parlor parlors, a new social media abbots, it's it's very similar to twitter. But what is interesting is that parlor, is explicitly designed to allow free speech. I actually had a conversation with her ceo before I join them and Anna and talk to him about what his vision for the company was in and he said, look we don't want to.
Political censorship, will we we want people to be able to speak freely and gauge and debate and disagree and- and I think that's fantastic, and so I join parlour Actually, I buy put out a video explaining why that it was for free speech that that big tack and twitter and Google and Youtube and Facebook been so shameless and censoring views they agree with that. I was parlor can I put out a video- and I put it out on Twitter which, which I have to admit, was wraps miles Agatha when there, but the video on Twitter, announcing that I was opening in an account on parlor, as God I think, to date point one million views so so that kind of interesting than that on the twitter platform, people are saying we want to be somewhere where there is free speech. That is an end. I hope that more people join. I was speaking to my friend Dan Bonn GINO
I know- is an investor in parlor, any its own told me. There are a lot of people moving over there right now. I think, when Twitter censor the presence of the United States, there was a bridge too. For a lot of people, but I hope that continue to do that as an alternative. I also hope that we can. And you to use the legal means available to us to stop the abuses, a big tech. Speaking of Lee, questions I want to do. I want to get to a question that actually comes back to another episode. We ve done ass young ass, a few episodes we ve done. You ve been pretty tough on. Justice, John Roberts and this question from Michael wants to know. If this is there personal aspect to it, because you and John Robber- it's it's not like you ve just know each other professionally. You ve known each other for a very long time. Died. I know John Robert very well. He is he is a personal friend, I've known him. Twenty five years we both clerk for the same justice we both clerk or chief justice, William Rank West. He de Clercq about fifteen years before.
And actually when I was when for chief justice for chief Justice Rehnquist, my co clerks, and I we asked the chiefly said who's. The best Supreme Court advocate practice, and an renquist chuckled any As you know, I think I could pay we get a majority of my colleagues, John Roberts is the best Supreme Court advocate alive. And I got say I've seen him argue a number of cases. I agree with that assessment. He is a spectacularly talented Supreme Court advocate and he someone who who, when I was a young lawyer, John befriended, May during Bush, versus Gore. So I had been on the George W Bush pain down in Austin. Then I'd been doing policy there, but, but I was part of of of team, that legal team and Bush versus Gore, the two thousand recount an end.
I called number the lawyers and ask them to join us. I call John Robert. I got a call them in his office in DC as it hey. He was practising law. I said you come down and join us in Florida be part of the team this case he came down, he participate. They did it It's why what he's doing right now is so high. Breaking and I upload so gave a speech on the Senate floor. That was really critical of John Roberts, because think he he has been violating is out. You know at his confirmation hearing he famously promised. He said. This should be umpires and call balls and strikes while he hasn't, in an umpire recently, he is grabbed a bad and jump into the gay men and any keeps joining with the liberal, justices and opinions. You know, if you Robert words, so smart I'd actually might be more forgiving of it. You got here
exactly what he's doing. He knows that the that. He is violating his oath to the constitution and it said some idiot. It really saddens me. It was a mistake. Him to be appointed to the court. And I gotta say by the way- look I'm an eye before I was in the Senate. Career was, as a Supreme Court advocate right. You can't, in the business of blasting Supreme Court justices? If he ever hoped go back there, I I would say I have pretty firmly burned my bridge. He gets. I think, that's true. I very much in I've. I've long hoped you remain in elected public life, but now so really for your bank account to because you know I would imagine that it will be a lot tougher after you, ve been so honest. About really what's going on at the Supreme Court and not to fly You too much. I want to do that, but it is refreshing to hear it. Given the club
of Washington that tell you haven't let that that personal friendship, in the way of actually defending the constitution and saying what needs to be said about what's going on at the Supreme Court. Well, it's it's in its frustrating and I'm tired of Republicans Supreme Court nominations wrong and I'm tired of justices. Yet you know This is in the court. They only grow one direction, they'll and grow to the left and the reason they do that is all the incentives are to grow to the left, because When you vote with the liberals, you get praise you get praised in the newspaper. You get praised in the law, schools you get praised in the see cocktail, party circuit and and- and they used to call this, bring court report over the New York Times. Her name was Linda Greenhouse and they used to call a call that the greenhouse effect which is Vanderdyke, o Connor and Tony Kennedy.
Would want to get praised by Linda Greenhouse, and so, if they voted with, the last may get praised and Anna I must say, as I look at Supreme Court nominees I want someone who doesn't give a damn if there, being criticised and beaten with sticks. Thee most important criterion is show me some one that stood for conservative principles and has paid the I show me someone who's who hates DC car All parties doesn't want to go to a party and George, I The reason with president drop for both of his vacancies. My number one choice that I urged him was Senator MIKE cannot because- likely I've seen first hand these devote. His life to the constitution and if my had been there, the chances that likely would have written the boss stock opinion. The nail gorse drought rewrote our civil rights laws. The chances likely would have written that or zero point zero zero percent- and I know that because
not seeking the praise of the press of the academy in it, and we need to stop getting this wrong that such a good, I mean that just a little bit of of wanting to get the good New York Times article or wanting them to even not be too harsh on you. That is a very, very corrosive. Not a lot of people can stand up to it and we need it. More of them and we need all the ones we can get a less quest. Before we have to go. This is from public us. I bet that's not his name at birth, but that's. The name is writing under Are the benefits of a balanced by a pretty sure he's? Not the first to use that name two. I think I've heard this somewhere before. I M not sure where I guess it ties in I mentioned a bank accounts or earlier. This is one that up a lot, and you don't hear about it a lot these days. What are the benefits of a balanced budget amendment so great question? by the way. For folks who are listening, that little comment about who we, as has been used before, suffer Hubley us the pen name under which the Federalist papers were written
and so it was Jane. James Madison and Alexander Hamilton and John Jay three of them wrote them. Their basically newspaper editorials under the name. Puglia, since oh, that's a name that that it that is fraught with with with with history and an a moment ago the budget amendment would be enormously and packed something that I have advocated fought for for eight years. You know most of the states Have a balanced budget amount, I think, is something like forty five states have a balanced budget Amendment Texas. We have to have a balanced budget, The state legislature can't spend more than it has in revenue, can't spend money. It doesn't have in Washington a balanced budget. Amendment official Washington doesn't want that because, because the government, the way Politicians in Washington get reelected spending money? We don't have an end by the way you get a trillion dollar appropriation bill in ordinary too,
much less pandemic times. Let us take ordinary times. A trillion dollar bill. Is very easy to get. You just pay Everything, everyone wants, an! U S! getting all the Democrats and half the Republic sand and never mind that your barring the money from China and bankrupting our in grand kid it's a great way for policies. Since the by their reelection. Its is the reason I fought par balanced budget amendment I'll, tell you something that his hand in hand with that is to attack limits amendment on the author of the term limits constitutional amendment in the Senate. I would limit house members to three terms centre the two terms and the reason is its much the same- that Washington is a corrupt, swamp and Peru. Politicians who want to spend their whole lives here, that's where they at the incentive to just spend in spanish spend spend us into bankruptcy. Yes- and you make this great point on borrowing from China, because when, when you don't have something
a balanced budget amendment. What happens you gotta borrowed money from somewhere and ironically, borrowing, the money from our chief, she open nickel adversary gonna shows you how the two men issues relating to foreign rats and vice versa, too many the count senator, but thank you that there was a clean trip through all of them and clarify, things, even even doesn't make us feel all that much better. I guess I guess that said, though, that the problem of political reality much more to get too will have to wait until next time. Senator. Thank you I got all this is verdict with ten crews
Transcript generated on 2020-07-24.