If your hearing this right now it means that our big tech overlords have not shut down this podcast. Yet actually, those big tech overlords we're just called in for a hearing at Capitol Hill and they didn't have very much to say for themselves. We will get into all of it. This is verdict with tat. Grew welcome back to vertical TED crews, I'm, controls. You want to talk about a slow ball. This this question was posed to TIM Cook of Apple and send our picture of Google and Mark Sucker Burg at Facebook and Jeff basis at Amazon who it was kind of funny. He forgot to unmarried his microphone. This is one of the most powerful tech executives in the world. Couldn't good work, the MIKE that was a sidebar. The question was: very simple: is China? Stealing? U s technology

Let's take a listen to their answers. Have a question for all four, yes or no answer do believe that the chinese government steals technology from U S. Companies start with Mr Cook, I dont know of specific cases where we had been stolen from by the government. So you don't believe that the chinese government's ceiling technology from yours companies are you just saying that not from yours, I'm saying I know of no case hours where it occurred, which is, I can only speak to first hand, knowledge, mister, B, joy Now that the chinese government steals technology from United States companies congressmen. I have no first hand knowledge of any information stolen from Google. This rigour is recovered congressmen. I think it's well documented that the chinese government steals technology from american companies. Thank you, Sir bases. I have heard many reports,

I haven't seen it personally, but I have heard many reports of it, so volor different products at Amazon carries. You haven't seen that in any of the companies it so products on Amazon or your company yourself. I will certainly there are knock off products, if that's what you mean in their counterfeit products and all that, but the Chinese. If the answer is the chinese government, stealing technology, that's the thing. I read reports of an end, but don't have personal experience with of all four of these titans of big technology. Only me

Sucker Burg would admit what we ve all known for decades. China is stealing our stuff. Well, unfortunately, it's an example of how big business is terrified of China and and their willing to prostitute themselves, because they want money, China. They are murderers, they torture people and they have made intellectual property theft and espionage a state strategy to go after America, big Tech, those that they know that fully well, but they are so interested in in access to the markets and into billions of dollars that their terrified of saying anything, critical and an end it. Some big tech, in particular, has been a willing partner in this and.

Calling it out is hugely important right now, of course, especially as we were looking toward November and by the way, it's not just big tech that sucking up to China, as you also saw him, and there is a report that just came out of S p in that and be, is, is operating as some training camps in China that have huge abuses at it, and I I can't help, but a man I saw you get into a bit of a spat with an end. A team owner Mark Cuban over the past week, where I don't even remember the introduction of a Cuban was saying- and you said, hey Mark, are you? Are you willing to criticise China

in the same way you're criticising the United States and he wouldn't do it. He refused to do it. Well, what happened so this started out. Mark Cuban was having a twitter fight with the guiding Mark Davis, who is a radio housed in Dallas he's a good friend and and Mark Davis had pointed out that that he was gonna, be really unhappy. If the Dallas Mavericks all taken during the national anthem and disrespect, the national anthem and any said he loved, go into the NBA Games, but but he might just by not go if they do that. An mark Cuban owns the maverick theoretically should want his fans to show up tweeted out, essentially Bob. I we won't miss you get the hell out.

Am. I saw that out of paraphrasing to get the hell out was implied, but but but I engaged in in in in in retweeted that exchange and then said something to the effect of of gosh. Did you think it's going to work out well for for the NBA to tell half their fans go jump in a lake that that's a very odd business strategy to be saying to every police officer to every soldier to every veteran to everyone who acts. Believes in respecting the flag. We don't want you to come anymore. We don't want you as customers. That's a very odd business strategy, so I retweeted the exchange and said that so cute, but it comes by actually gets pissy. So I guess what I retweeted it. I didn't tag.

His twitter handle, I retweeted its millions of people of the world. It's not like my response was, was rights is hidden or secret private, but he comes back in and says well. Tat doesn't have the balls to tag me by name so look what I was sitting down, assessing all the things that are good. Where we're going to happen in the past week. You know

our cuban questioning my testicular fortitude, but that was not on the list. I did didn't have that an appalling money on that now at so I responded eyes. I said dutch speaking eyeballs Marken tagged in this time. Tell us what do you think a China await right right and I'm still waiting, because he was terrified to answer

Because the NBA China is a giant cash register and he and I read that a yes pm story, the investigation they did its horrifying, so they had three camps. The NBA did in China run by the chinese government. These are, these: are chinese kids, teenagers. Thirteen fourteen years old, the chinese coaches were beating the kids physically beating the kids, their reports of of of one chinese coach, throwing a ball point blank into the face of a child there's another and then. I am in the gut they were beating these kids, not just that. These are kids that are added academy, that that, in the end, announced with great fanfare will be great, for the development of these kids turns out, there's no school there, not teaching and networks Thirteen fourteen fifteen year old, kids they're, not teaching indoors

You are right or anything else, and so there are all these coaches who complain said listen year. Most of these kids a good end up taxi drivers because they're not getting an education and their being beaten by the chinese coaches and in the NBA. Looking for the next jamming, look I'm in Houston, Texas, right now, you're coming was our centre. Aims, was great player and but the NBA made a lot of money and an even more stunning. So one of these camps was in shipping, the province in China, where there are over a million wiggers on ethnic and religious minority in China that are in concentration camps. As one of the things I ass Marquis of and tell us what you think of the Wiggers and concentration camps cricket is not a word so

this NBA camp, many of the kids, their wiggers, the same people that are imprisoned and tortured and murdered. You ve got weaker teenagers being beaten by chinese coaches, not being given an education, and the NBA happily turns a blind eye, because you do. You know how much money, India, China, generates five billion dollars. You wanna, don't understand why mark cuban curls up in a ball and starts trembling when any one s about China, because he wants five billion where's it ain't complicated and by the way. What do you think TIM Cook can answer that question because he wants billions of dollars and japanese us once Billions of dollars, and so sucking up to evil tyrannical communist tyrant.

Is in their views at a price there willing to pay, because they can they can have a painter. Even after just in the past few weeks, there was drone footage the came at showing this week or minority shaved blindfolded you try a huge number of these people have being loaded onto box cars. You can see it with your own two eyes, but it would appear that that critics left us in the United States, who who love nothing more than to criticise their own country, remained silent when their chasing the almighty dollar in China. A question from John Ties, and particularly now with the sad recent passing of Herman Cain, and so some other political figures. Do you think a lot of the attack,

against conservatives that pass away or the new norm. We saw this with my Adams, the conservative professor, who died Herman Kane, going back to George H, W Bush. Is there any way to tone down the rhetoric? I hope so right now, people are anger, Their divided, I do think that really overheated rhetoric is more on the left right now. Both sides do it, and I wish both sides would would not get personal, not get nasty that mean we can't disagree. Butts Yet all right now there's a viciousness that that that the truly unfortunate to see an end

you know Herman Cain. I didn't know Herman well, but I got to meet him several times. I spent time of them. I consider him a friend, but the guy had an incredible career in business and and and his presidential campaign, where you ran on radical tax reform of everyone remembers nine nine, nine. I know that, but look it in many ways that was a precursor went when I ran and twenty sixteen. I ran on a simple flat tax and an Herman Cade brick. Just radical simplicity is a revolutionary concept and an end. I think Herman helped ushered that in I think his leave ship played a foundational role in the tea party movement, and

and that's important, and I think he was just seventy three when he passed and and certainly our prayers or with his family in it. If its trash in too many too many good people have been lost to this virus. Some people are, or referring to our state with China right now as a new cold war, Norman Rights in and asks how can Republicans avoid making America's new cold war rivalry with China into another costly boondoggle on behalf of democracy or say, humanitarianism, and I take it from his question to ask what what is our interest? What do we want? How do we engage practically in this rivalry with China? Well,

answer is we don't engage in another boondoggle and- and there are certainly those who want to who seem to have never seen a country that I want to invade, are happy to send our sons and daughters in harm's way. I don't think that's the right foreign policy. I think we should be very reluctant to engage in military force, but- and this is a very big stop- China'S- not our friend- they are at war with us- whether we know it or not. China is at war with us their objective, the communist government in China. Their objective is global domination. Their objective is to utterly and completely defeat us, and so, when it comes to China, I am reminded of what Ronald Reagan when he was elected me was asked what your objective in the cold war is, that it's very simple we when they lose and at all of the intelligentsia they were. They were astonished that this egg

it philistine? None at all. You can have a wee when they lose donor. We need detente which I've joked is french for surrender. China's intent towards us is entirely malevolent. Just today story broke about the church. And government hacking into the Vatican, their literally trying to break in and spy on the pope. Our answer has to be that we have to defend America. We have to stand up to China grass should not by sending the Marines in the Beijing but by combating them, stopping their theft of intellectual property, stopping their systematic efforts to destroyed. U S: production of critical infrastructure, PPP, pharmaceuticals, rare earth, minerals,

in the supply chain back to America, hauling them out Reagan, understood, tyrannies, fear truth. They fear light. When Reagan called the Soviet Union, the evil empire it was powerful. I actually in response to the story the Chinese Communist Party, hacking into the Vatican I'd I tweeted out today. I said the sea cp as the new evil empire that clarity scared, the hell out of them, and we have got to have clear, eyed vision to have the economic strength and the military strength. Ah, I believe in peace through strength. If were weak, then we risk military confrontation. If were strong, that's how we avoid the Buddha weakness invites aggression. It's it's a lesson. The p.

Seem not to learn from history, but but it seems clear to me all right. We will have to leave it there until next time. I Michael knows this is verdict with TED crew.