David Cross is one of Marc’s oldest friends in show business. And right now is a good time for them to catch up, as David balances his life as the dad to a three-year-old with the demands of going back to work on film and television sets during the pandemic. David explains to Marc how he was feeling more antisocial even before COVID-19 hit, why he wanted to become a dad late in life, and what he had to physically endure while making his new movie, The Dark Divide. Marc and David also compare notes after both of them played Jerry Wexler for dueling Aretha Franklin projects.
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what am I doing right now? What am I even talking about right now? Jesus Christ tomorrow, as I did this it's like I'm beyond stress, I'm post stress, I'm post fear. I post,
nervousness I'm in some sort of strange paralysis. That feels like the present that feels like
Acceptance on some level! I know what we're up against.
I know all the machinations of the garbage people and with
going to try to do to steal the country to dish.
Roy Democracy. I know all that
I know how the voting works. I know we're up against you in the neck
Day or two or next week or next month will know whether
American democracy is over.
Or we get new management.
And try to salvage. What's left from the wreckage
So either will get that opportunity with new management to salvage. What's left of
institutions. Our norms are
of government will be able to
Savage that, with the new management we are perhaps takers
sponsible approach to this sickness?
That's a levelling the glue.
The boy economy and destroying people.
Perhaps we'll get a chance to salvage that with new management.
New leadership or
It will be sold as salvage by
current situation by the garbage people and the grifters and the con men.
And the incompetent children,
put in charge of big bureaucracies that
people depend on who give zero fox
those people's lives,
sold to salvage the fucking night.
Mere, but that's the precipice we're. On
and I don't know how I why am I arrived where I met today, the
before this election and go
if you haven't for FUCK's sake
No excuse not to really there's no prince,
boy you can sit on for that
one, while not gonna, vote because shut up before I get to crop up
That's what's lighted up a little bit. I made a cake anyway.
Dave crosses on the sharing of data benign before deeds, an old friend of mine. This is actually Dave's. Six
I'm on? The show he's been on too
live ones too
the garage one on the phone
but this is really does actually the first time we ve talked David awhile.
And you he's got using this new movie, where I think he rode put
the work in as an actor.
Importantly, I saw my tv I just footman around and I've done,
the bid a bit about this before you know, this is not an
its nostalgia or or just taking stock,
of who we are
by going over our past, I was watching
Dave Cross on Tv O, one of his specials
There was just something so familiar about the way they
talked and moved in thought here from
back in the day you know we kind of started out together
and it made me remember, made me feel made me know that I came from someplace knives
I've somewhere else. When I showed,
Boston, and I met
these dudes and committed my life, my fucking heart too,
stand up, comedy you
sort of this weird family, it's
necessarily that supportive or whatever, but we were a crew of fuckin gypsies in weirdos
bordering on outlaws
trying to find our way in this goddamn racket and
To figure who we were up there and know he was part of that beginnings.
And he's one of the guys who I see and he remained himself at his core in a way I've seen him kind of grow up, but whatever the fact is, whatever the case
The familiarity made me feel good. It made me feel emotional made me feel like I, I have four,
I've, memories and friends in the world that I can now.
sort of them be grateful, form, be happy about
and then you just came to be that day David
I get to talk, got to talk. He's got this
get this new movie out is called the dark device.
Theaters and in virtual cinema and in to
Dark divide their film.
Dot com to find out the best way to see it based on a tree,
Joy talk to him about that about other stuff, but getting back to it. Tomorrow,
I dont know what to expect, but I'm going away.
Can somebody set set up shop
here at the house for a few days and watch my little cat buster,
How can you just go up and isolate really can isolate traded disk
neck until the fourth and by
And it should be
should be on fire with no known winner.
Declaring himself the winner and you know just there.
Flaming violence in every major city, I'm kidding that can happen. What can it
We'll see but
truth is I've have to prepare. I have to prepare.
In my mind, I guess this is how I framed it, sadly, that
we're going to get the new management or we're going to enter into a very dark authority.
Area in time
in an aggressive, we sort of a kind of proud
Of minority rule and chaos that has happened,
in many countries around the world. Most countries have gone through it.
For some reason we just income to withdraw. It could happen here and now
how fragile it all is. Don't we and we'll see what happens.
I think there is a better outcome. Obviously, new management would be good
but can be an uphill slog
The wording is, as we know who everybody is now. By knows who their neighbours are among those who there.
Family is more. They stand. Who are the people that,
Craig Fascism. Who are the people there?
crave simplicity, a kind of myopic, minimal spectrum of human expression, art, ethnicity,
Gender choices and interesting now to see know who is who's,
jockeying for relevance in the
possibility of authoritarianism? What is the fascist?
demographic who's going to
way to the fascist demographically. Obviously you talk about these bubbles and these bubbles are political and people are being misinformed by their bubble. Ivy talk about the Fox news bubble
You know you can see the simplicity of it. You can see the editorial elevation of it. You can see them avoiding certain stories to feed.
Propaganda machine, daddy,
engages in encourages american fascism? You can see it and
there is no follow up when those
people want a source, their information they ghosts.
Right to the bullshit spigot and
Connect the dots land of
random conspiracy theories, so that's it
there's your demographic who were there.
Entertainers in and that future. I don't know.
Few country, artists couple,
I'd castors that we know a few comics Conway,
but whatever it is, the fashion
The demographic will exist and be marketed too.
So capitalism is going to survive. Hopefully it will not be the form of government we'd be better off if it just becomes a demographic of sorts, as opposed to the
replacement of democracy,
I don't know man, I do
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Whatever that is.
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Fucking, Halloween candy, nobody
came out for Halloween, I guess a
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chasing kids down
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At the end of my my sidewalk
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over here who, who wants candy, candy,
People know costumes
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had a weird moment. I thought he was dressed as an ice agent,
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this kid even know what he was doing just bowling on the whistle
with his mom wandering among walk in and around it gave him
some candy and I gave her
Teenage mutant ninja, some candy in a couple of which he looking girls
little bit of candy with their folks and
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Never guarding the post office again Dave Cross is an old friend
and I was happy to talk to him.
His new movie. The dark divide is now playing in theatres and virtual cinema in go to dark, divide film that come to find them
S way to see it. We are
talk about how we're both playing Jerry Wechsler in two different.
Read the Franklin projects.
And also we tried it?
new thing where we sent Dave a microphone that he could use.
Three easy to use
and you were trying to get the sound quality up. A bit and we sent in the microphone- and I we spent fifteen
manage trying to
open set it up, which was, as you know, Dave
How is that not can be hilarious, right area
This is me talking about friend, David Cross
all right, I'm good. How are you I'm good? Let me know I forgot. We were friends so yeah it could be better. It could be worse. So I'm not here for a job interview yeah. It's me mark
so did you you haven't uses before I
used it here at home. I tried it to make sure it was good and aid.
Give a process is better. It's great to me, like you guys so much for giving me this microphone wait a minute. I thought we were so. I said.
The Brendan. I said to run a right before this year, the first guy we send to do my work
have to get another one because someone's not,
send this back,
when I got the
got it in the mail. Nobody told me this is coming or to expected, and I got this box remarked Marin. You know,
box. May I not even that, although you seem like the kind of girl collects boots I've, my right when you put his head mean. Why would you say you have more than it means you have more than a pair of boots? That's yes, but would so
are you why you? What? Why use? Why you seeing this as a negative? Because what does that mean about me? How many brutally got defensive? How many more collect things mark are all of US
A fine thing to do.
You know what kind of goes against here. You know hippy,
Now you know people now I collect boots. I dislike boots and I know that now have quite a few boots. They make sense. You seem like a kind of guy collects.
And then, and then is like also be no oddly animals. A shy about a bird feels a census.
A clearly. Well, I just wanted to know if there was judgment
in what you were saying. You know. I understand, I think that's your default. You just go to I'm being judged on,
just a moment I get some can I get to know two percent are full of God. What do I say? Two percent hall? No two percent are
but you were judging me when you said that right I see you got so you got the box for me,
I got the bus and I was like oh this is you know, he's he's any seems like the kind of guy would do. This is just sort of randomly send me not necessarily cuz. It's me, but just send a like a present or something that I initially thought of. This is going to be something from the 80s that you found that you know is get a personal to the something we had
yeah yeah exactly right and- and I just got my back from joining my guy- that's gonna. Send you
For I mean, I think you would argue that had married a half way up. Why not
if you found something right now that you have an assistant, I don't think you do it on your own. I don't think you'd take it and go down to the post office yourself and wait in line, but if you have an assistant where you can go
Jenny you want to here's an address, go send this. To my friend day, Frank, you would do that. I have Frank he's part time he doesn't live here doesn't check my emails for me. I was at the Post office myself today, I'm not saying that you're being judgmental, but maybe I'm being a little defensive. Okay, that's fine, but but but you acknowledge that I had somebody do that yet yeah you acknowledge
tat. You would necessarily do it. You be more inclined to if you hadn't assistant,
I would too, if I had an assistant I'd say
I mean I would say, Jenny, because I would only hire an assistant named Jenny or somebody willing to answer to Jenny Jenny. Will you take this down to the post office? Now? I'm in Brooklyn, so the post office is literally seventy five yards away. It's
it's not a big deal if it was raining or inclement whether I'd say wait on it. It's just Mark Maron, it's just a hat for Mark Maron. It can wait a day or two until it clears up
I'm saying that Europe works were too were Wright brothers
that, yes and and and that you weren't expecting the mic. So it came and you didn't know anything about it. You didn't know if it was a gift or anything was there no instruction at all nothing.
You just have to know
so you're when you're pulling and open it up at first. I just got back. I travelled all day with my three and a half year old, just the two of us and you know on the plane, gettin gettin from
Airport with luggage, and all this stuff- oh my god, you're flying during this shitstorm I had to I had to go to
Atlanta to finish: shooting something that's shut down during Covid, so an end we almost done it was halfway through episode, six, only one more episode after that and it shut down
it had come back here? Ok, I just turned a shit Roman and I had to go back in and you know they started up again,
very safe and was very. I was nervous quite near
so let me ask you something about that. So
like I've been offered a couple things here and there and I'm just sort of like, if I don't have to do it, I'm not doing it but okay, so it was safe, but it was. Was it any fun at all
fear ruin the fun now
It was. It was a much different situation than before. You couldn't have a lot of people in one place right. Well, you shooting, so it was a sort of blot in a much different way than it would normally be blocked. You see
in short a little bit differently, but the level of your words were tested every today's here.
And you don't walk in you. Everything was in three zones, so you had people in zone a zone b and Zone C, and you couldn't interact with other people. All rehearsals were done with masks and she
and then you just take them off for the for the actual scene and obviously
because it's porn, you know it's like much more intense, a lot sure yeah
you know I do
if that's a euphemism yeah- and
Yeah it was it was. I was very nervous, but everything even flying, and that was I thought they both airports, Lagarde.
In Atlanta we're really on top of everything the actual flight was was very safe. I felt I was very, very nervous because we've been
careful here, my family and I and you know it- was really bad, like those
Those in March, MID March, to MID April
was scary and weird and surreal. An
I think, that's impart why New York rallied like they did. It was so bad and we just have less of those those dumb people I mean. There's mean plenty in life
I island and one right right. We don't have those I it's charity. I can't breathe
it's not that part of the country and but yeah just
to get back to it. It was it was it was, I felt very safe
because you know this is for the thing that you were
dual Jerry Wechsler, yes, we're doing doing workforce. Yes, pretty cool
these core by I like, like. Let me hear your wechsler voice.
You know it was. It was deeper. It was because I got the audio. There wasn't a whole lot of audio. It was a little bit of audio yeah and he talked like this right, but I didn't get his Bronx. He was like you know, yeah, but you're,
deeper, you actually went deeper. I gotta
It gives you run here. You know I I I talk like this in entirely normal. Believe me, I would have preferred to do that, but that's how we you know it would be easy
Craig us to do that, because I would always
and I mean always by take three I'll, be right back up to that pitch. That's you know. That's mine like more like this
especially if you got something to say he talks pretty quickly pretty quickly and I would find myself rising up in the direct
so when you did it, you did a bunch,
your episodes as waxwork, yes, because I'm
like we just did the movie, so you did the same word. Did you do the same where you yell at the guy who runs the studio? No, did you have a fight with that guy? No, that sounds what the
muscle shows yeah Rick, Rick yeah. No, I thought TED had the fight with him. No, he did
Again, the TED had and then a jury says something. Now I mean, unfortunately, that sounds like you have been funded juicy. I didn't have a whole lot, a juicy stuff to do in it.
Did you have to change lot outfits? How many years? What's the span of the I went from early MID, Sixty s like owned,
sixty sixty two in the last year, seventy nine right lots of outfits- lots of you know, hair pieces that get
thinner and greyer and busy like. I wish I was balls cause like you know they like you.
Seriously when they like these
all this money to make a bald week for me, because I had to keep my hair for glow.
I'm nervous about is right.
They went through that whole thing to make me bald, like I Deborah messing in your movie and but then
Did you all that and then they put the little bit hair hair on me to make me like sort and look ridiculous, because you can't your face
can express you can see, there's no way, no matter how good the bald wig is that you're not going to see. I mean that just begs a question: why did they hire you because
She liked me and she
thought. We were going to be able to do it. This way. Aren't you allocating money, I know, but she had. She obviously opted.
Two no wig and just fucking deal with my hair so like we there's a little
to that so
it worked out all right yeah. It was pretty exciting. He has a lot of hair until really until
the mid made early seventies. He has what era were you doing
did the sixties through the sort of ends. At the add the concert in the church yeah,
was the second last absurd? I shot were Ryan and then there's the the last
I'm not in that much it's really just in the beginning, where I tell her I'm leaving Atlantic and then it's like five years later that we catch up so yeah
when the. When is your
we're gonna air, because I think our movies gonna air like January? Oh, I
they were trying to they change it like three or four times I mean I imagine, they'll change it even again. It was supposed to. I think I was supposed to air in the
late summer, early early fall again like
now wish they moved it too. They tried it. They were trying to back into earth like Thanksgiving Day
and in were like, like there's no way that's to happen, so I think they're looking at spring of next year. I don't know the
but did you did you like? I read that I read his by is autobiography, which is written by this guy with this guy writs, whose
an interesting guy in himself, but the autumn.
Argovie was kind of insane. Did you read it? I read up
Parts of it it's too,
see the footage of that guy and read his his
a story that the fact that he he just doesn't look like the kind of I believe as I like,
pool halls when he was fourteen nights, he doesn't look like the kind of guy at all. Why do I think the fighting was different and more jewish, then the rest? There is a lesson,
intensity to the fight for
There is more cowering behind things,
Will he had just like this profound impact on music? I read about that. Guy was a holy shit,
It's insane. He coming here. You know if
I'm sure you know this eve coined the phrase rhythm.
Blue ribbon blue yeah. That was him. It also
like you know his dad, like there's some sadness to the whole thing, but he was there all the way through the almond brothers, he did Capricorn records and he'll
dire straits. He discovered dire rates crazy.
These stories about going down New Orleans to look at talent, and he,
anyways. I thought I thought it to be. Pretty fascinating. Is the Rick Reuben of his time Gunnar and I'm not that's
trying to be funny. He was very there's a there's, a parallel,
their kind is accepted. It seems to me I guess so I guess why not I I tend to romanticize guys you have to get in their cars to you.
Like I romanticize, a guy who s he has to get on it.
to make radio stations play the Goddamn Aretha Franklin Single, you know like he's working the
all of that whole thing wears out in great
to do that really now, Rick Hadda probably had pagers and fax machines.
By any prior, join your. He was first working out of the door that way you he was was now so we know what they
suffice in Brooklyn, you ve got there
where I am now: yeah yeah you in Brooklyn. I do I've lived in Brooklyn since,
two thousand and eleven. Really because
I just just like in, but you've still got the place in the country. I just assume you were off the grid, so you got the house,
up there and you got
and you got a house in Brooklyn yeah. I got
I had got the place, upstate gosh,
Thirteen years ago Y yeah
and honestly didn,
Imagine that I would be as into it as I was. I I not trying to be funny, but I discovered some stuff about myself just how.
For somebody who was so social, especially near
city and I'll be out all the time and I'll be awkwardly. I was awkward but
like, I'm really anti social. I didn't and I probably become more anti social as I've gotten older.
I mean I love it up there and then you I met Amber who became my wife and then we had a kid and set etc, and it's been,
the one constant Nero. We have only to my boy so back up like awake. Okay, so you
out that you're sort of anti sort of at least just you least just you know better off. Not we we all
to force ourselves. I mean you're drinking the beers you're, going out you're hanging out with people running around right and then and then but like
because I seem to remember like,
long. Has it been, since you been with Amber
we we met.
early early, two thousand and eight like end of February and March two thousand and eight Weiland, and it was really quick. I mean we were once I mean she's, like was basically moved in a matter of months and
that and we never you know to the round, which was without in Brooklyn that, whereas in EAST village, in these pillaged now that,
I kind of remember you being at that place, but I can't remember really the last time we hang out at all, so it must be a really long time, but do you like it just struck me? Were you
Will you get where you against marriage, or just you didn't see yourself having children? I care member which it was. I was
I was never anti marriage. I just never understood the the reason for it. I always thought
you know, if you are gonna, be, was somebody be with somebody it's fine there is. I never had any kind of ETA marriage stance. I just didn't think it would be for me. I didn't see myself as the kind of person who would be married. I didn't I didn't desire it. You know I basically
had that stance until I met somebody that I wanted to marry, and that was that so and so
but did she asked you to marry heard, you ask her to marry you on other people.
I'll ask us to marry each other? That's interesting. Are you employed yeah?
was a very very. We were in the middle of a rom com and we retain rain up
the West side era. We were having kind of an argument which was clearly we were covering up this tension between us and then these people or the like
why don't you just kiss her you? It was very. There was an old Chinese.
These guy and a lot of people involved here. You know some very spunky precocious
african american children. There were, while an elderly jewish couples, and you couldn't house without people just as soon as we meet, they hung out, they waited for us and then they just ass a barrier and max
imposing a ban started playing yeah and you got on your knee and yet
and am am we saw the two Netflix in you know, that's how I use the money to buy this place. The more you give my word, you did you do a big wedding thing here, medium sized media
Upstate right along the river were over. Where we live. I think I can remember why two thousand and what twelve well yeah we just had our anniversary like two too
weeks ago, something like that, because I like her and she's a great writer and good person you both you know are like minded, but now
this children thing was that
Did you ever see yourself? Do enough yeah for sure you, dear sir,
not in a proactive way. I just could easily picture having a kid
I wanted a kid, but not in I mean I even Lakewood Daydream like what, if I just adopted by Myself- and I just wanted a kid in my life- you did yet with the idea of doing so
What do you think? That is? Why do you want? Did you have any sort of like like on
They do it differently.
I'm going to have a kid
aggressive. We changed the way. I am programmed ice. That was probably part of it. That was,
I did have a very real, so there too,
parts of this one is the not actually having a kid or any other responsibilities. But but
fantasizing daydreaming about how that might be nicer and having it.
Standing that that my life would change and some some ways for the better in some ways for worse, but
also, I think a lot of it was a. I was looking for in outside force to chain
my behavior, I was so the kid is sort of like a beer replacement. Well I mean you know you yeah
like I was not. I wasn't very responsible,
healthy? You know there was several years
earth in the early arts in and the EAST village, where I just why
and look I was enjoying myself, but I think on in a deeper deeper sense. I was not enjoying myself. I was
probably a little bit of shame, and I remember when people were like I, because because we you know whatever
Time we spent together was it was real and you know- and I love you and in we added a deep connection
but over the years we didn't spend damage
together, but I remember it during that time. There were people,
concerned about you like. I remember there was like people like he's he's running around with the strokes with a fishing tackle box of pills.
All right, I don't know, that's really completely accurate, but I like the idea sure that I was I
very yet was very irresponsible and doing all kinds of things I shouldn't do
and again I was enjoying myself, but I think on some
at some level. I was you know needing to understanding that I needed to stop doing
Did you ever? Did you get scared for your life
No, there were certain times where part part of the problem is I'm oddly resilient per somebody's. You know five foot, nine and
you know a hundred and fifty five pounds I can really absorb,
a lot of drugs and Elk.
De member. It is you. Do your stomach? Okay, member, in your stomach yeah, I heard all the time yeah yeah yeah,
I'm mean part of that is changing. You know my lifestyle right and we have.
That's the I mean, I'm a minute, I'm definitely a healthier person that I was so you want to have the kid, because you
One is something outside yourself to make. You change their life, that's a subconscious thing. I think that was not necessarily
Probably would allow myself to realise that occasionally, but I think that was covered up by this other idea, sometimes more sometimes I believe it more in some other way around.
You know that I be a really good dad and I had a shitty childhood shitty dad
situation, and I almost owe it to the world to raise a decent kid. You know we a lot of bullshit a lot of like white liberal
of garbage is your dad still alive.
As far as I know, I'm pretty sure I would find out if he died, because I have two cousins that I note that every five years or so they'll get in touch to say something in it. We don't one is
on good terms with what I'm not, but I thought you're were gonna say that I would feel a change in the force the
I mean I don't know
How much longer alive live. I think he's like a he's. Gonna be like eighty, eighty, three, eighty four,
that I'm not exactly my dad's like eighty, I guess my dad's eighty one and I talked
M yesterday, and I mean I was having some problems with him, but he seems to be was
his mind, a bed and a it's it's getting up its there's, a sweetness to it now where he said. Yes, last yesterday on the phone,
and he said, look I just get worried that someone's gonna wanna hurt you and
you've done very well with your life. You live the life you want and
But I don't understand why you
Do you not on the cover of time magazine they give us and take it away, though they really want
good for you, I'm proud of you to like, but you know not on the cover time. Yeah.
I would just like to want just tell me gotta Nobel or some like that he said the wearisome. Yesterday's, like I don't understand why there's not more Jews doing things MIKE. What he's like there is it?
I am, I think, culturally, were. I think it was we're talking about the virus and he had Jonas Salk in his mind, specifically in effect, why are there more Jews at the forefront of everything? Am I, I think, there's plenty of Jews
working behind the send them Seth set Imdb I'm
busy for a little bit actually tell him.
And ended with the kaweah that he has not been
on the cover of time either right but
think your dad hold on a minute. Oh my God,
news, Keith Rainy, airy life in prison, good, get get.
That is the most boring documentary I've ever seen in my life, the vow, oh my.
It's. It's like a lot of those documentary, specifically the kind of new you know. Ten part
series where he like carers only had to be this only to be seven, I'm here
What kind of fuckin person would listen to that guy tell them to do anything I mean like
can we get through a piano song? He says he's a genius. He looks like a little hippy turd, he placed valley,
what s my favorite thing in the whole, the whole thing is its towards it
so one of the earlier upsets
where he describes himself as he says,
You know I m on paraphrasing. This puts pretty
Close your eyes are one of the world's best problem. Solvers I've I'm actually considered the third best problem solver in the world like there's a breaking up, the figure is vague as bra
solving and somehow he is ranked third in the
in the royal society. Esteemed him, Cambridge University,
there have been. He thought there would be more believable. Why don't you just look at that guy? It wouldn't be like one of the guys we're like
if we were ecology, it's all the same. No, I get it but look at that. Guy, though, if you and I back in the day, we're gonna go play softball with some fellas. He would be the
God the idea guy, I just let him come. You know I can tell you he's not
There is no charisma. The leadership it's like he's, like the annoying guy that hangs around how is absolutely yeah
it was the annoying guy at the periphery of your group of friends.
Right when you're starting to talk about something, that's starting to get deep, right and
he chimes in and you like wait way back up. Wait that doesn't make any sense.
Like all everything he said when he's talking
people my reaction, you know and granted I'm sitting in my living room with with hindsight being, but I would never be in that situation to begin exactly
but everything he says
people are nodding along to you like. Well, that doesn't make any sense
and you and you know me- and I know you and you'd right at me. You me our friends. Ninety percent of them would stop,
the conversation royal way we're waiting way that doesn't make any sense explained that I don't know what you just said
aren't you glad we're not that fucking lost or that
can craving of of that type of sand
but I imagine or but like getting back
to your old man and tearful like so so we have this sort of my brother had the same thing with the
it's like I'm gonna, do it differently, but it's
seems to me that, like everything changed,
like- and I know this because I have friends who have kids and I'm now I've gotten to this this weird age. I I want to hear more about their kids than them. You're
I give very attached to their kids. I'm not really particularly sorry that I don't have children, but I I do. I do
Imagine that whatever happened so I did it was it a discussion with Youtube.
or did you just do what she just like? I'm pregnant so and I feel like I can speak to this because she wrote about it in her in her set inner second less
you're, fuckin thrower under the bust you'd, go ahead and not throwing around here. He talked about this see. You know she asked me if you, if you know, because so we did get paid.
And this would have been in two thousand,
twelve. I want to say thirteen over thirteen.
She wanted to get an abortion and I did not want that and I was really bombed and was very. If you read the, if you read her book a best,
Is it all it's all in there, but because your rank as you like more how well how old? Were you you're already what forty five fifty of do it? I was
I would have been a flake forties. I would have been about refugees.
You're. Fifty six now forty eight yeah, so is that right,
No, forty, nine and I was a kid
the other side of three and a half so beef for
Sir, you I can you fifty yet. No I'm not well known.
I'm talking about the first one where she had an abortion. I would have been just I'm not good at the math here. No, she didn't afford our current child. No, I know yeah, you shouldn't do that yeah. I know I I don't know. I didn't know
we were telling an abortion story, I thought this was a fight that produced the first child. This was a different fight. Well, wasn't
fight started a new discussion. Then she got pregnant when we were really trying for a baby, but we were ok
the idea, I guess you're you married. Yet we were married. You were married how interesting right and we pay
we just got married, and so that was an issue
you know we
supported her. Ultimately, it's like you know it's her body or a I'm not going to force her that I can't do that. I wouldn't do that.
And it wasn't without a lot of discussion, and I understood why I understood a reason, but I just wasn't happy with it.
And so that's
happened, and that was the thing that we partner lives on that was now permanently in forever. Moving forward going to be a part of our history and relationship, and then we did.
A couple of years later, yes, we're going to have a baby. Let me ask you something, though, like in that, just because of the nature of who we are
but equally and you know who we are ass, comics in everything else. Now, after
that decision, which she
finally, the abortion and Anne and your again
because you want to have a child, it does Justin,
I imagine discussion of that hangs over you, but you don't you don't think you here
Think about that child necessarily do you
Only in an abstract said
it's right, because I did when she was pregnant and I did
and I especially thought about it when we were upstate, because I I I just had this when I go in the woods, I go for a walk with my dog or just go just walk in the woods yeah and I would.
You know imagine having like a five year old
holding a five year old hand and pointing things out all all that kind of romantic
father imagery and especially upstate here and.
No. I mean I did in that sense raw, and I was also you no going back to what we were talking
bout earlier. Was this I'm
I need to do this. I'm ready
in a self centered way. I'm me I am ready to do this. I had she wasn't and you know we came to that understanding, but that's a lot of what a lot of it was.
That's what I mean I presented, it was bad. Was I'm ready? I want this right wasn't rise significantly younger, you know sure them.
So it is part of it and then we got pregnant. She was ready. So when are you happy? Do you got one
yeah she's awesome. Adelina has three two happier, so you were fifty three or so fifty two. When did you term fifty six April
ok, yeah you're, like it had an Humphrey. I just turn fifty seven in September workload, I'm fifty six and a half, ok
but then I really want to use this your podcast as a platform to try to encourage older people to start saying and a half
I think I'd like to see people on
On the floor of Congress going now. Listen here, I'm sixty eight and a half years off. I am
fifty seven in two months. I think almost so so
out like. I can't imagine it, but it must be like, but like this,
many things in your life.
You know you had resolved on some level. You know you got money saved, you got a good marriage and now you know you're at this age, because that makes me nervous
because you are always like you can have kids whenever you're you're a dude. But you know you
you want to be part of it.
I think you got in just under the wire. I think I think you're right
and I really
am concerned about. If we did have another one, like
energy level. I've always had a pretty good. You know reserve of energy in and pretty healthy and athletic. I like the idea of having another kid running around and having
Run down the street while they're on a scooter. I mean I literally especially in Brooklyn I'm running like
stop! Why, in holy hauling, ass constantly and before that, because here
grass, there is always someone across the street laughing
and I'll stop I'll. Let her go into traffic just for a bit and I'll sign some autographs she's. She has to learn. She has to learn. Quick, came, okay, yeah the idea,
we have like doing that again in three years from now three happier psych forget it will, do you think we're yeah, of course the do think. Like way,
Is this idea of how much learning that you didn't you weren't social?
you thought you were that you did. You would rather not be hanging around with people as much do you think that
connection or whatever. However, the kid opened your heart, that kind of me
did you realize your priorities and got you more serve in touch with yourself yeah?
for sure- and I you know it's her, every other cliches or true- it's all its there, so try than their tried for reason in their their wonderful, but the cliches are role.
I am now I'm aware of my language, I'm aware of my attitude, the energy I give up. I'm aware of
So what you don't say why you don't say fuck but d, still say kind to no yea,
I say Condon in in place of work,
so the kite,
free and we are in, and she goes you wouldn't? What is that? What is kind- and I keep saying what the contour you twice had I can't come here- is really fun here. We have a lot of fun sounds fine,
but just morality- and I think
morality and I've just more conscious of it. I could he mean well what the lessons that teaching a right Gooden back, what
in behavior and how I act and things like that and- and I try not to get to show my frustration with something- is
is readily as I normally would it don't scare her with the with the and the weird outbursts of anger? I got him ass, yet he had yet
and your crankiness is subsided. A bit.
I I hope so, and I do hope so I do hope so and I don't know if it has and I and it's the last email seven months have been brutal. The eighth. You know the fact that one great thing about Amber nice relationship was, you know, we're both in the business. So we both understood when hey somebody's got to go away for
two weeks did earlier days wherever it is and we check in and we travel with each other a lot, but I sometimes you can't and its and its relationship sabre you know to have that builds in all I get to be by myself and same with her she gets. He doesn't have to listen to me and I'm not the easiest guided to live with and dumb three. Are you better tell us if the cheese walked in a room
but I blocked or in a room at the body. I'm only telling you that, because I want you to know that I have a basement, that's pretty cool erect.
In Brooklyn, yeah yeah, some
she's in Toronto. Actually right now she shooting,
everyone's gonna, like that. When that's why, with its wives, the kid in Atlanta had to bring or data with land with me- and I was with Her- has ever had to go there.
A very, very, very strict she's in Canada, a very strict quarantine regiment and they will track you and they will find you heavily and kick you out. So you know they're not fucking around
because I know how bad it isn't it. A movie or tv show a tv show: ethics, oh yeah, yeah, sir. I guess they re.
Casting glow and reshooting. It wait a minute. I'm supposed to fuck
I'm sorry to hear about that man. I truly am. That was so so so fucking, wonderful, thanks, buddy, really really impressive.
I just here I mean there. I mean it's just one of the things they yeah there's nothin.
No power in that thing, you know what I mean. I get
I mean the quick. The cast is so big. How are you gonna,
I can work around that and when is it going to be okay to shoot like that? There's just I don't think I really do think it was about that. I don't think you know
there is no way to do that safely in and no
no way to see one that could happen. Well, it's it's
again, I was nervous about going back, going back to work and
There are ways to do it. You know, if you really lock it down you. Perhaps you have to bubble, you know much like NBA and right, and they did that successfully.
I don't know how you get around that, especially for something like your show where you've got a
don't know close contact everything I got geography. I just like to me it's like so much about.
Doing what we do and I'm not a big
I don't know how to have fun generally, but but just now,
The idea of having the exchange of ideas and being able to socialize onset knowledge of like all that,
up being removed, and you just kind of render it down to like all right. All right, ready, masks off we're doing it yeah I can
asks on it. Just like to me sound terrible, yeah, you're right here. You're you're right in
but I mean work is work. I get it, but you know I just I. I save some money, I'm not panicking panicking about that. But but
doesn't sound funding in. There is also this idea. It's like
put our lives on the line. Decree entertainment product is
a part of the monk in problem, but I don't know I don't know.
I am with the on all of that year and as
As I am anything else, I'm also a writer and- and I there have been
so many ideas I I've thought like
Oh this would be a cool idea to explore and to try to write to develop for stand out, maybe not for Stanford like TV,
wherever I SIRI, ok, ok, and then you know you, I think about it like in practical terms like how would I shoot that this isn't a good idea? This week,
take. I couldn't do that and then- and I try to you- know in telescope everything down to its
My horror doing you're doing me to shoot this in New York. To can this be shot with? Just for people
RO, you know, like we greens screamin. All of this can we did we cut and pay as people in it changes your approach. Her release changes, my approach to how I am always with with the stuff that I develop its usually about story. I want this kind of spray too to be told in it at it, sir, and I it just is not conducive to to
working under covert conditions. Here I mean I wait. We become too
Just try. Looking look outside of the loss that I experienced in and outside of the
we're all in this sort of like horrendous grief.
Zone around the world, you know
the cove in everything else, but like I
it's made me reassess fucking everything. You know I
it very weird to show business in its raw form like this, that these people that have these shows he's nightly shows who are under contract have to do this work. It's
it's a great leveler. It's like everybody's, doing their goddamn network television shows from their couches and and on somewhere.
it's ok, but it does strip everything bare and you start to realize, like we really are song and dance people and without the
song and dance we're. Just people sit non couches it
Ok, but it's kind of life. I mean you, that's that's you kind of.
It. You know ended up and always say stumbled into it, but you ended up in the the greatest covered gay.
You could possibly have great, not not complaining, and you know, and we make a living off it and like, but now I've gotten to just work stand up material because, like the weird thing is David, I don't know about you, but I'll admit it to you. I don't fucking Miss stand up at all and I
Don't know why you, you know, cause
done it. My entire life and suppressed
hear. You say that very
Why? Well I mean it's like one, those things things where I think I
I miss in a working through stuff
Do you know what I mean but, like you,
get into the habit like ear. For me, like I'm gonna, go, do sets away three or four times a week, no matter what I've never not done sets, but are you
Even if I didn't have anything I'll go I'll make myself do it, but there was something about just now.
Time and space and the loss and the cove and everything else were it kind of force me to reckon with myself and see where a mad and I'm pretty comfortable like I could
If you like, I could I'm ok doing nothing. Did you did you
Prior to all this, did you have that kind of you innate need to do stand up that that that
Let's talk about that, like I don't know man, I just got to get up there. Yeah yeah I did I did, but not it wasn't to entertain. People was a personal thing and like because I
rob that last special right at the beginning of lockdown, like I don't know that I'm gonna get much better than that special like that. Special is good right, so in now like, but
So I can say is that something's happening because I've seen
are you doing these live instagram every morning and I'll do like out like over an hour sometimes till I can go anywhere from five hundred to twelve hundred thirteen hundred people, but
there are thousands of people come watch it, but it's reading
aging that part of me that thinks on my feet, cause you do the same thing. I gotta talk through my shit. So but
I know I that's this whole performing in a vacuum thing. I do not. I don't I'm not comfortable with it. I don't it's
it makes me self conscious. No, I don't like it. I don't like I'm not waiting for laughs, but I do
I thinking out loud and
and andor, and but but I want to go back to something you said before.
People are, you know they like. I've got to get up on stage, and I just want to entertain people, and I always found
that to be such bull shit, I don't have an I dont. Think most people do. I pick thereby no plenty.
We'll say it a lot of people. It's like this altruistic thing that that's what they're droughts, driving them to the stage and and it's bullshit it's a selfish- not that this is the end result is bad. It still
a good thing. The reason I do it is basically to you, guys, will sit and
and listen to me, because this is how I know I exist, and this is how I think enjoy enjoy
I think that's how it is for most people that thing, and so many people like I just I mean I've got this need,
gotta get up there and entertain people. I gotta make him laugh like spots
you to see me and hear what I'm saying yeah yeah, but do you miss it
I do. I do a lot and I and I I did towards- I think it part, because it was combined with not working at all. I finish this one project I was developing I got to to where I was going to contractually obligated to finish finish that it didn't seem like it had all this kind of excitement behind it moved on, and then I I had nothing. I was not doing anything and I was trying to force myself to write and I really miss stand up, and I was in the kind of what I would I like to call the end of
I'd like three phases toward him developing stuff, at least the last two specials and towards I did. Were I just developed enough at an average. I watch one. That's when I reached out to your right. Is it like it made me on the stout? Yet when I was the one with the bigger
colonic closer, which one is it.
Was that the last one, the colonic? No, I think that was the one before that was the one before that was.
Make Amerika great again, maybe than the one in in that was ain't, a theatre of Rock club. I fear the theatre, yeah yeah. That was make Amerika great again, that
pretty sure. It's just so funny, because I had this moment where that's when I reached out to you, because I'm watching and there's like because we
go back to such a developmental time for both
but there was something so familiar that I haven't seen in a long time, but had that ran pretty deep in me you know. I just did
watching you do stand up and answered of.
You move through your stuff. I'm like I remember this,
and you do it. There are moments in there where I'm like he's doing this in just the first time right now
now that that was all true. That was no very lively everyone. Every word that was already said. Well, pretty
yeah I mean I was I I mean I would I always riff within stuff, but right that story it was windows is
the handful things are done. Were I kin as I'm doing it? I can remember it. Even that was a long time ago with Amber when we were basically for stating where I just remit. I couldn't remember it visually right now:
fuckin place and saint vertical about who doesn't remember their first caloric. I mean that's why it's
this day only koane me too
Tom Agna sent me to his guy in New York. It was this little african dude.
And he had all these
when you are in your waiting in the lobby any had these pictures of tribal peoples it with these laws.
On things had good come out of our asses because of what they eat like they
like literally these show the tapeworms and stuff. No. They were like the ice. I said to the guys that what is that? A shit snake,
and he laughed and laughed and he thought that was the greatest? What thing too
it shit snake. Oh, he was patronizing. You there's no way. He hadn't heard the term shit snake ever before. Come on. Really I don't know I got a genuine laugh. It seemed like a real. Ah, there was no reason for him to fake it. I I already had my appointment, but
but you know I was just like very disturbing: no, they weren't it wasn't. A parasite thing was literally. I think these people were eating tree bark
or something- and it was
the that was this way of saying, like you, don't want this to happen. I'm like dude right, that's not gonna fucking happen and what these like big glossy beautiful kind of motive,
national poster type prince than they were like those they were almost like, I'm from like a medical journal of some kind.
You know where they show. The picture of the people like in the tribe
and then they show these horrendous them. I am. I understand this correctly that these were these were on his wall as yet as yes as like. Welcome justice
make you so I want to go there. It's here in New York, yeah ask Agna: do you still talk to Agna by any chance? Where is he?
talk to you, live on the moon or in Thailand or Someplace Moon Thai
I don't know where I don't know where I don't know where people go, I don't know. Are you in touch with anybody? I mean not not
really it's weird Riah become variants. I self I know, but you got the kid that's great, but anyways what we're? What were you doing? Where were we going? Oh, oh about tat, about improvising and missing stand up, so I
as I was developing some more material, and I was I going to do it in three phases where I just sort of take Tipp quarter and go, do you know a go to some place in Brooklyn and I talk for an hour and then I taken what works like keep and what you know right sure, and I, as post you like going clubs and doing
minute sets and stuff like that? I mean I just do an hour and I tell people it's gonna suck er a little bit. That's what I do too. I just get a space and just go yeah doing it
two hours figured out, and then you know face too is
Okay, I think I know I'm getting close, and now I can sort of tri, I'm not going to dick around a more here's. One of me to work on right work on that. That's an hour and fifteen that you always do things always in place and then face three beings.
The much phase three for me is the week before, where it's sort of like.
For me, it's like a month where an untrained sequence things I always end up like you know, I've got the call back, I know what's going on, but it still like it's still an hour in twenty or it's an hour. I thirty and I know
I want to get this down to seventy five in that way.
Yeah that last week, where you break it, you outlined it's literally, like you see what you want to do and you like this doesn't fit. No, no, no and then there you go and not being so self indulgent precious about that. I love that people aren't digging and look if you give it, you know four five six seven tries and you're not getting it.
It then just stitch it. You know yeah yeah and move on. Well, no, it was just great. It was great seeing you and it made me feel like do you remember the name of that? You know that there are a couple of things
To bring up. Remember,
your beauty, hats us.
The caribbean, hot sauce I had. It was almost like it had a papaya mango and hot habanero. That's vaguely familiar yeah, I feel like it was from our past inner beauty. It was like beauty, I do wait. What is that from? I? Don't I think we ate it.
I think we had a bottle of it, but they didn't make it for a long time but they're making again that's all. I just want to tell you that, and the other thing is
It was really hot. Have a narrow huts us and I feel at stuff it
Yucatan the Yucca Hut on Franklin,
no, no, this stuff, it's similar inner beauty was about you can buy it
I feel like somehow or another. The hot sauce, difficult food era was a
somehow tied to Bob Wilson's apartment for me, always so yeah sure, but here's the question I want to ask what was the name of that sub place that we used?
get the Serbs are massive member. They had like that of the US
I did have a number and like the five, some five there is the meat Bob right boy Wendy the meet both like and it was literally every maybe everything they had right. An cheese right around the corner from the Middle EAST right round. The corner from right run the bare whose right round the corn from Bob's. We can walk there from Bob's,
on mass as what was it
vice like our something. Oh, that's right, yeah
on me. It was right either by Tt Tt, the bears or Middle EAST, and
me. That's all batteries cheer dramatically, but we had that
meat sandwich we get like four five meets on their yeah.
He's an onion. This crazy, like sausage, meatball, cheese
State of cattle everything they had. They just dumped it on. You know, and it was when you are poor and drunk and.
And then I man largest just member you the next day holding your stomach bent over start always
always holding your stomach and bent over but you're better now, so no other yet, but now
ok. So tell me about all these hackneyed things about having a kid, though, like what, because you seem like Doo, doo, Doo tier up,
do you get overwhelmed with feeling what happens. Well.
It's the highs are so high in the low searches just circular.
When we ve been very lucky, she sees healthy.
And hasn't exhibited at this point, any kind of real mental or learning deficiencies and arm.
And she's for the most part of happy fun. Kid funny. There's a lot of time
where Amber is here. You know and she's she's out of town and she
a whole run for lakes, six or seven months where she was doing all kinds of you know things
There are promoting her staffer, some writing that it
amount or doing suffer
feminist causes or political people. You know politicians whenever it cheap, enow begun for
for five days, whatever agenda and it's just it's the most
lasting thing, like being a kid sooner,
sit down. You know when their its most leads great, but it can be really really just you're just wiped out by the EU.
Wiped the five anyhow diameter. I do.
but like when I was in
Georgia yeah, you know, as Georgia didn't but
nanny, has her own schedule and her issues too and has her own life, and you know sometimes can't just can't be here
and the narrow ever gets back and will be in early.
Member he s just like, but that that's been spin like that, since she was a kid really.
I've, been with her pretty much
outside of twelve.
Days were Emma to Europe and the last tour, and me
I've got a lesson learned tremendous mistake in that
why I was so nervous and depressed.
Upset that I was gonna. Go away from right, never been away from her for more than like a day and a half of that point me two days tops and
I make a design my trip to to Europe and I didn't do half the shows that it
On the last tour. Oh, come on
did you have the right? I only did twelve days away
I flew in Red Eyed Manchester Data show
that night as fucking out of bed in general,
crazy and then my last, show
It was in Amsterdam and went had liquor
six, a m pick up to go to the airport, to fly from Amsterdam to Manchester
after your york just so I could cut out whatever it is a cumulative fourteen hours after the so like it
not be away from her for so long and I walked in and she didn't give a fuck man she just as I got my suitcase hey
and my dogs all excited night mileage, she's she's got it back to me. She's, looking at the tv on the couch
say hello, hello and she just kind of turned around looked to me didn't say a word went back to Washington,
and so I will never ever make that mistake again wow and that's when you
said the amber. What the fuck is your problem
are. Wasn't there just a nanny yeah?
but I had twelve
there and- and then I did this movie the dark. Aren't we supposed to talk about that,
I want to watch a movie, I'm just a two hour dude. I think that is the sandwich place. Had the word high in it like high five hi hi, something I fight. I fight high five pizza high pizza guy beat that's it I'd like you to think of
so the pizza had very it had really quality Fidelity
were where it was at there's a great sounding yeah awesome, but yeah.
Watch the movie man and I was very proud of you you seem to like you know. I thought like well, this is a changing man he's accessing. You know it was like. It was like a deeper dive into a character. I think than you usually do, oh for sure
and like I was moving, and it was a was a painful story, but well. Thank you
yeah. It was it was it was to do it wasn't fun to do.
Oh to be outdoors in Washington, did it was like the lowest
Most gruelling, I mean a lot of those scrapes in bruises- were all real.
Did you get to spend time with the real guy yeah pile Robert
is your bundles butterfly in
and you know it say it's it's not. It takes from a couple of his
book right and there are some liberties taken with the story, but you know it's. Ninety percent
it is all know, so, basically the ideas that, like his wife, he he nursed until she died of cancer
Sir indeed always want he ever. He was really kind of as as sweet in nice and kind and avoid killer as he is in real life, he's very in those shy and and and he isn't very proactive and his wife is extremely extroverted. He's introverted, she's extrovert
and and she was really the one who was holding
We only is life together and he wouldn't have done anything without her rising in Madeira, and so that's like her dying thing. Two hands is applying for him for thee
I'm grant to go. Finally, the girl document, these species that have never me out in no one in this place. It's it's. You know one of the last wild bits of the lower forty eight space in its when the last stretches, as it is very still very wild film yeah, and I mean you can hide it,
it's just there's no amenities. There's no right now is that how you guys had issued it basically yeah
skeleton crew, a lot of where we were there. No there's no cell service, there's no electricity and you couldn't access.
A lot of the parts anything around those like the lava tubes,
You know a lot of stuff and people not hurt. You know there are some middle, albeit really.
simply minor, but there are a number of people led to get some help, but you
There are also there was a mountain lion that was like stalking bills, fucking now
and there's no like changing trailer. There's. No
I've throughout the Arab, how he had a high
everything in their equipment and everything and then shoot, and if it, if you see it's raining, that's because it rained and those those the weather changes.
I mean it just changed my god. How long was this shoot? I think it was. I want to say four weeks and the first week was in
port wine, so it's three weeks out in the young
man track apart
not all of it, not having the stuff. When you see like weeds
nice out in there's like the we're on top of the ridge like that. Wasn't that wasn't scarier weird, but a lot of stuff in the interior was really Harry and not not fun. I mean it was in this
again like there's no trailers, know where to get some Christmas dinner was its director like he was right to strike. This was his vision. This was he was willing to commit this insanity to it. Yeah he key grew up
in Portland and went to a lot of these places as a kid, and I can't remember how he came to know Robert Pile's work, but he did and then he kind of devoured all of his work now he's an accomplished writer. He wasn't at the time that the movie
takes place and ninety five, I think, but he's got a by training, a butterfly guy, yeah he's
let the doktor is here to stay
and now he is he's a lot more than that, but that's what he was wondering when this journey goes on. This journey in this thing happened: woman, yes to this, this guy got to know hammy path. He got the rights to it and I think it's it's. It was about ten years that he,
you Know- was trying to get this thing made, but the impetus of it was that you know his wife had wanted him to do this and he didn't we kept saying he was going to do it and I do it I'll. Do it, I'm gonna yeah. Definitely next, when it warmed
up, and then it would more my blog to wait a little bit to list, because I'm not really ready right now, but I will be in. He was always put it off and then she dies and she had applied for the grant
knowing she was dying. She only had a matter of weeks left and he gets accepted and has to go she's already dead, so he's like now he's got to do it
and through that process of me, I cottage you approach it differently. If used to me have felt the me like. This was something you know that you couldn't you know YE congested Guph through you couldn't just make a caricature and do it right. So I can I asked to be,
There has to be some relationship between you coming to terms
with yourself that enabled you to do this emotional
what this guy well too,
to bring it all back around two were worth thinks we're for certain talk about it's, it's real
about embracing that what I came to see myself as antisocial and not it. It spoke to that part of me and and
I could never do what this guy did. I mean not in a million years, and I know everybody says well, you could, if he had to, I, wouldn't I'd, be dead, I'd be dead. I wouldn't quick in death
I I mean I just couldn't. Do I couldn't survive it, so it was a hundred and twenty eight miles. I think
he just went out by himself with very little went out by himself was in way over head. I didn't know what the fuck he was doing right and I just it was
You know like embracing the the letting all those other
A fall away and go alright. This this is, who am I've got to do this right? I'm going to do it because he has a couple there's a couple of moments where he could have failed right and he for her, and he knows he knows deep down that he will change for the better. He knows it's hard and he knows that she was the better person in that sense, and you know he's got her kind of
memory and spirit there with your writing him- and you know just in- and we do it in the movie in Its- and it was- you Know- really happened to Robert Thrill die, but he thought he thought he was in there for like a camera, what it was. He thought it was initially twenty eight days and he was in there for almost forty IKEA, just completely lost track, real everything.
Yeah. I can't remember the exact numbers, but we had a scene that we eventually took out where he puts on his he's leaving, and he sees people on the dashboards of cars like the name, a phone number to get in touch with a relative. When he's expected back that person, he or she is expected back and he goes oh, he writes it on a piece of paper and he puts
his dashboard raise off by weeks, yeah yeah. I thought that was in the movie when it comes back to the car and realises how long he's been gone now,
was, I don't know I've never never seen it so have have to tell me yeah, I think so,
Why were you don't see it
I've seen it a hundred fifty time now,
and stuff. I know I don't remember, but
yeah it was. I dont think, like I think you
Senor Anti Social, I think you're just more comfortable with yourself. Oh wow,.
I think we need to go running around and he we have got it it's like that thing. You were saying you looking for something outside yourself, whatever it is, you know what it kind that you make
I'll feel better, and I think he just probably just just kind of more continuity.
If you're lucky that happens when we get older, you know a lot of things or man. I never thought about that way. But that's that's interesting and I will I will give that some thought. Maybe that's that's interesting. Ok, what you would do it every have to do with it.
Going to take off, and actually I do
could have to run on either it's good, it's fine, but them
we was good and it's great to see you and I thought you weren't, while would Deborah
messing, and I thought that the journey
was good in the Bigfoot thing was my spoiling it no, I mean,
that's. Ok, I think they didn't really good job of handling that not ridiculous
Yeah, it's not ridiculous, something that was a big I every step of the way it was like. A guy can't show big, but you can't do this. He can't do that and it has to be just as it did in the past.
At any ear. The the thing
at the very end. I don't want to give it away, but you know those the literally the very end right happened, but not quite in that way, but that did have
yeah and he did come upon a print. Oh yeah, and- and I note this guy's a is a scientist here- he was a really difficult.
And people with their interview me about the movie like do you believe in they put, and I do not, I don't believe in it,
but I do believe in the ability firm for mankind to invent things in, but I thought what he he said something in his book. You re
There is every reason to think that a big foot could exist and has
the wherewithal to not make himself,
especially in in that part of the country, guess that
becomes clarity when you're out in it ha yeah yeah. It's
and have you been to like Central Oregon? I haven't spent time there. Now it's one of the most
A couple? I grew up in the south and its most fucked up. I mean it's weird,
weird a way I have not experienced what you mean. I like tell people wise kind of, not
At their scary, but just there there very
it's almost twins twin, twin right rush in that, like it's, a it's a culture that is unto them and their very suspicious people, it's it's. What I haven't felt that kind of vibe since I've been
like the Deep south, like in Appalache right, ah yeah, there's a hill people all over the place up
I'm a you man, maybe just cause, I'm used to the south and right when you go especially in the
Upstate New York's got it who not like this
man may not like. There are ok, I mean, maybe maybe maybe I am than the like Super rural main and end. I think it's kind of a similar veto just a SEC,
suspicion and not a friend, but the friendly.
by yeah a can you can imagine of lot and on sure
stuff, the kind of like you don't just passing through yeah, I guess
I am now it's it's. It's a trip. Man
our well. It was a guy I enjoy watching in the movie and- and I liked a movie- and you know you did a good job, but thanks man in its its truly great to see you in your success in year. Have you been able to branch out as well
that stuff thanks man as well, which is which is an opportunity we don't. We haven't often gotten to do so now, sir,
yeah and I'm excited it's great talking it's great great me. I love you, man and you've,
men take care back.
David Cross. He thought that that ending with abrupt- I guess it
but I do that, sometimes don't I we were done. He felt done kind of felt like it was done
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