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Episode 1180 - John Densmore

2020-12-03 | 🔗

John Densmore was the drummer for one of the most influential bands of the ‘60s, The Doors, but he’s always been on a quest to find truth through art and creativity. John explains to Marc that his love of jazz inspired a lot of the rock and roll he made and his latest book is an attempt to discover the inspirations of other artists. They also talk about how the drug scene spelled the end of the good times in 1960s Los Angeles, why he went to the mat against his bandmates over licensing The Doors music for commercials, and what Jim Morrison is like these days when he appears in John’s dreams.

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John Dens more, is a drummer. He was a door. His new book is called the seekers meetings remarkable musicians and other artists, you can get it wherever you get books here. Throughout my interview with Jerry shambling in the book actually is an example of people searching for truth and transcendence through their art, and we talk about that. A bit This is me talking the drama of the doors. John Dinsmore, John, how you feel and buddy something I want to say what what the fuck mark exactly what I got no answer for you. I got no answer for you, John Kick
and we get agent orange to step down till I can sign some books, yeah where I will add an over ever gonna, get him out of black and white House go in and get him boy such all the year out of a Roman, what have the world but like when you think that A you know your life, I mean you know during this. The late sixties I mean What was the feeling around? You know the chaos that that Nixon was creating. Was it your younger man, but did you feel it has menacing, or was it better or worse? It's the same, although you know every night was horrendous, calming, and so maybe that was worse. I don't know I saw my hatred Donald this amazing I mean Bush, well yeah. I said A friend on the other well, thank you
Donald hasn't started war- and my friend said he did the civil war outright so maybe Trump is Vietnam WAR, which was a catalyst difficult as it wasn't as horror. This is all of this is now. We did start that war, the people stop that war, and so I'm hoping praying why? Just finally, maybe going around a corner a little bit towards light and they'll be some light for ten years. I hope I helped the two and that were you at you and now lay still yeah I'm at Santa Monica, where I was born and my mom was born here in nineteen o four, but we're not native now to Indians or the natives. First, people, where you were your people from Ireland, oh yeah,
yeah yeah Barbarian, LOS Angeles for the whole time you ve seen the whole. You know rise fall and rise and fall again, avert of LOS Angeles. I mean like. I gave it imagine what, when I see pictures of LOS Angeles from the Sixtys and Seventys it just looked. Fucking nuts. I just got a tower got an hour to go here, yeah with which way the wind blew yeah yeah. I was good yeah, but what were you in New York? Now I grew up in our. Turkey, Yazzi Unama, younger, I'm, fifty seven and I was born in Jersey. Most of us. I most we grew up and Albuquerque. I get a weird question, it's not really a trivial question, but it just like. I recounted a story that I read in an oral history, punk rock that e pop told In how the doors inspired him to do so let us be who he is and it was based on it
oh that you guys did? It must have been Ann Arbor Detroit where energy went to Gee, you guys and Jim did the entire. show like singing it this on. Like Mickey Mouse or in a weird voice, and he wouldn't stop it and the audience was getting furious and they were, fucking like just mad. Is how and he would not stop doing it, and eighty thought it was The most amazing thing you ever see well you hear that, but I'm sorry mark my brain cells and clicking at one side of him. That's crazy towards something like that wooden stand out, while that the whole show of men- maybe a few maybe maybe his memories off a little bit. Maybe he
poetic licence unsure. So let's talk about this like the drive to define truth and end the this sort of idea of what art is supposed to do seems to be something night. You know you ve always been obsessed with, did you didn't you ve noticed side, Colleagues, you do yeah. I saw data sharing interview yeah, but when you were like you know, I like the way you start is that you grew up in a creative house to a certain degree. Yeah. You know an ok. I got this idea. I will do it to the had to various musical icons right. It will inspire me, and so I wrote a few chap and then I owe you know my mom. She encourage Pierre oh and drums so I'll write a chapter on her then, and I and I sat let's be honest, autobiographical, stick it at the beginning, the book. Then it hit me
two weeks ago. Our wait a minute in the jail, drawn Helen Jones, cauldrons drummer. I talk about how to do errors and everyone that the first you ever heard. Was your mother's heart be in the womb? Aha yesterday while a core issues, the first chapter, I was in a room, yeah yeah every What would I found sort of compelling was this idea that you know that your shoe she had some hardship in her life in some loss early on oh yeah, and that you know created creativity that the deserted she was driven to paint, and ah disorder manage the grief. Oh man, that's good! I don't love imply that that helps me yeah I got. that's why she panted tell ninety four. She channeled it and that's what the book a sort of about you know where the year of professional musician are playing.
piano in the closet? Nobody here is it you're still some sort of feed you and he'll issue. When did you know for yourself? I mean like when you were a kid in Europe. You were. I could you also do a chapter with with it up a teacher of yours, afraid, cats, right now and by day? But when you were a kid I mean: did you want to be an artist, or did you want to just beer rock and roll calls you the girls liked it No, I I Philip music in eight years old plan again and then I played the alibi, the school and all that by now I thought I would make a living out of sight. I crapshoot right yeah yeah, that's why and I went to college I majors and accounting you no money, accounting sure. Then I got ds. Ok, maybe
should major. Is that my like hear music, but I dropped out right and then what happened? I got in this ban prayed It will pay the rent ten years and now I'm seventy six. In a week- and I'm still talking about this fuckin bear you know if it happens with the guy Is it survive? you know, Romania, you may much of a cultural impact, yesterday. I guess it sort of an albatross, but but you know there you ve gotta, be some pride in it still write all talk total I mean you know my let's see first book, I have three have centred memoirs, hear what I said atra that form I argue with Ray because he's like kind of selling. doors like Lily Loam and a little too much and he's given me shit. Saying John Was-
better than the doors than not like a course ray. I have of the doors per let's not my forehead, very proud of it, but I also get divorced. You have to go to the bathroom yeah. Don't you have a life so but like when you got started any. When did you find, I guess in looking at the and having not read your other books, where did you see No, that you were going to be of that? What we're doing was not made Stream, it was not your necessarily does I too make kids, but you know that you are on the path of an artist and not just the rock When did you start seeing it as art? Was it something that happened in the doors with with the wit when you got started, taking more
creative risks. Well I mean you, don't we we always wanted to become his populars pot possible possible, but I guess in Jim's lyrics where these this the searching you know that I was young. I didn't understand at all really, but it didn't turn me. I'm not thinking about you talk and it gets Gary and about truth is in the silence and the void and addiction. Real, Gerrit Zalm says it's addiction. If you can't sit quietly pretty you think so our addiction to distraction. Why mean, but you? How did you got? How did you survive? It seems that you know, given that what you are surrounded with that somehow watching Jim he kind of self destruct that's an hour? Another, the other three. You did all right. I you know you didn't see my
you guys, went down the same path. Much well, that was a teaching. Jim was always going too far. Yeah. It's interesting idea for years with a get the question you Jim was around a day would be he be clean Selborne and I always now I was a kamikaze drop. Another it was you, go away, what hole I know a lot of really cool people, in Yemen, ended Of course he would is a different time right, yeah yeah, He was an example and I definitely was more cautious, certainly dabbled. We even rob you don't want to die united in your good. In order, to know that you can break out through the other side there. party there trying to get there and you don't know what that
going to require. So we assume that is on the other side now here but a but like it. It seems like this book. You can move through Did you first meet? You know, Elvin Jones, we see an influence on you when you were younger, well yeah as teenagers then too Shelley's Manhole and Hollywood well Jazz maniac, like this after on re our the situation was sharing the jazz mentors. We love answer me telling ray. I saw culture many times. We are now able yeah live Elvin and oh, I didn't know, I was seeing something that was really iconic, but I knew there was magic. I just knew it. How old were you when you were going to see them? Eighty words in downtown. Where was it? Where were they plan the culturing Hollywood? Oh yeah? I went t want. I got my fake idea,
I was wanting widen and the door I said the state, but you can come in here just me I believe this drumming and was so primal yet conversation with coal train right and I can't the idea that have a conversation with Jim and also but Sir you but big big. But so from early on you were kind of like your brain was the lock into that kind of journey. Yeah takes us type of minded to lock into coal train and jazz in general, but you are so If you are a freak for an early on yeah, I guess I'm Seeger I was I've been blessed with, I mean all chapters I saw,
I was in Jamaica before regular, came to the states and got in there. I saw coal train before you giant. Do you remember one called train kind of started like going the attitude we able to stay with him throughout the whole journey when it yeah, really out there. You still dug it. oh yeah most. Definitely because He I knew his journey from people too cool jazz with miles the active, encore tat. And then his own, courted when further out so I was, I go anywhere with them and did you you got the talk to Alvin Jones yeah. I know I been some Royce Hall and then I went up to the stage because you know it's not my
rock. There wasn't a Berlin wall, you I just go out there and- and I just listen, Fucker answer a few town to call you back. Hey I'm doing an interview by I don't know who it was lol so I go and station Elden is taking the nails out that he hammered on the floor of Royce. All the key is based wrung from sliding. I will talk about strong yeah, I'm afraid to talk to him. Years later after cauldron died, see him in another club and I bring in my first book writers, understood real nervous jazz is a higher. Our former he'd be condescending, he'd know. the door is remarkable
and I said elder in here. I wrote that you gave me my hands and he was celebrations in and then by the end of his life he was in town. I bring is carries drums though the car You go see him wherever he was an album out the harder life. Isn't it Joe yeah yeah? So you you guys were kind of friends until he passed, Yeah I've met a mentors. That's what I'm writing about you now sure I get it back in these guys yo. It's interesting that either at the time that the doors around there were so If a crashing of you, there was a period there the seventies you known late. Sixties were the other generations were kind of mixing. You know, had the old, timer rock and roll guys, and you the new wave, but you were kind something as you would do, shows together or be around right. Yeah I know, When did you me Jerry Louis? well that was later yeah. That was interesting.
We got big enough, so we thought we had the power to dictate the second hat, play the Hollywood bowl and ways, and this is before Johnny Cash. Med TV show reasonable, Johnny Cash I walked the line and they said we're not hiring of fellow real. That's, ok, we couldn't do it We played the form and we got Jerry Louis and let you know we were pleased the had to the early fifties rockers when the doors play the forum, you guys, you know he was a opening act. He opened and he had been playing. Music and reward him. You know your play. Some your heads, India, All the audience was going. Do doors Yan, hee hee? the EU now cantankerous he got upon the p. for those who, like me, God love you further!
you have a heart attack and the way they hit Did he player with his feet. He slammed the piano and was he. It was nice to you guys. It was me you know they showed up without any instruments which was rather, we buy your dragons sure really and Robbie says. Well, I got a lotta guitars kindly why Jerry he says all raggedy offend again: ta Gay man, that's old school, He still around two men. Yes, you know, he's eighties takes, or so like Willy nilly alcinous my closing chapter and he's eighty six or seven yeah These guys are teachers for me how to do this thing you sure and worthwhile,
you like. I have a weird I had a weird encounter would Lou Reed, but it was just a fan encounter where united. Dare I went to get a record signed at a record store in Boston sign in records, and I just really wanted to ask him like the right question. I knew I only had a second You know I was here tankers we're here, but I The idea was: why can I get up there? My cave Lou? What gauge pick do you use Yoda like that was my big question. he's at media man, you gotta, use a medium and I've yeah. You know used a medium for a few years, but but then he was cantankerous, but is a definite definitive. Why did you do Put him in you really do have a lot of respect for his journey is well yeah at first, I didn't yet the velvet underground, I know other at the whisky, and you know I was a western not a peaceful, a maniac, but they were dark.
Singing here- then I realized wow power here. What they're up to it and music ship is. a sort of secondary young in Tunis Guitar that Astrid sound and hit the guitar like percussion instrument? This is different. This there's some artillery really really was fun. I met him just after he got back from Czechoslovakia wherever this love hobble had him come over for an interview because he inspired hovels when he was in jail and Lou was really you now high from back there I got a high just hearing the story and yeah yeah sure bringing its interest No! You ve been underway for so long, but you didn't mention here that the zapper seen did you not know Frank yeah.
I wouldn't know right ways to go over to his house, for a jam sessions are really yeah. over Laurel Canyon, the West Wilson Wilson, he appeared. What was it like over there? That house, oh cool, place, the blows the play. Now we talk with Frank about he was in the avant garde stuff, which we knew of so you guys are sit around and he play like is strange. italian art, composers and stuff and do tourism, He merely washed everybody jam notes, a really I mean in the area, but you guys it seems to me that You know that that whatever the sound of the doors one I was talking about it this morning to some because I knew I had to talk to you- is that you know people like wolves. The door seem like there was a simplicity to it now my gear, but like you care the thing about the doors in you guys did is that if you, if you can hear one note of a song and no again
equally, who it is that that, and is an authentic real you no kind of ground breaking a bunch of people like you. You know that I think the simplicity of it was sort of disarming dead. You like eel, given Jim. darkness in his showmanship played against the kind of almost Joe The rhythm of some of the tunes Ikeda had this interesting bow. that's why I never heard that common simplicity, but what I think is the one made us you know when you like Lou red with you, you need you need to get a technique to get across here uniqueness whenever the hellenes sure classical musicians, most technical of all tat right and they get stiff. Sometimes right on the starboard due to Mount were right about Ia Ul, hee, hee is totally aware of. salsa led Zepplin and of course
so flew right. You know I go backstage after and he says to me one. go start. Mahler is heavy metal. Yes, I could see and he yellow yet so when you open the being fed by always, you find your uniqueness. You just need enough technique, maybe that's the simplicity part take gets your thing across and you can get stuck. If you get too much threatening right, you gave you become sort of this kind of a new dollar, a guy that can play really well button there. The feelings, not there, your eye over time. Let me show you all my shit right and when you listen to Willie Nelson take a solo. There is space, would greatly hardware its phrasing, which is what Gary shelling is talking about, which is what wrong. Does is talking about the site
Are you become the more you hear this truth in that space? Is that like what was it? What was a year you sort of river a little bit about that chief is pronounced, his name, Well, you know there was this kind of iconic underground book meetings with remarkable. Maybe I'm here I tried to get into him, but I didn't. I didn't succeed in its difficult and then there was a cop film made by Peter Brook tears. Stamp was the star. There was real eccentric, but interesting in that all these men were searching were musicians trying to play so well. They catch gods ear, and I thought that it means it was remarkable. Musicians are right, he's that right and each chapter will be about people who face yeah and it's like they're, not all musicians, though I mean you know. I don't know what you're doing what you relation.
ship with with with with with the poet Robert Bligh, but he seemed to have a profound effect on you. What was at about. Well, I say remarkable musicians, Perin and other, I am sure yeah. he had a big effect on me and I played drums He read and I think poetry, but I think writing is looking for music in between sentences in a way phrasing again. Space and poetry is like the skeleton of language. It's really intense to try. get it sell, concise and working time to spend with that guy could be shorter. Let a movement for a little while they're here how I was once again same deal. I was an early, we were heavies men's groups and we were trying to break the mold drinking beer watching sports we were, we are doing that women have done for ever talk to each other about feelings.
I remember I was saying you know this ever thousand movement were travel? Woe yeah I mean he was just where we were. dissing women. We are just trying to share our shit like that. It's done it! Meetings are water and- and it was a really great thing and gotten so big. but I would say that inspired the million men margin and some good stuff, so it helped you personally Did you ever your role models? I guess it kid, you know, do what was your old man life, He was behind the newspaper really yeah and my mom Yak Yak Yuk all the time here you know twice a year, my dad and put the paper down and pay shut up bad man, but they were.
Yeah. Now, together forty years and dedicated, and I tried to do that- root real harm that wasn't my cards yeah and like when you have back. I like in terms of the work you have done. Your start, like just, will start with the door, so you like in the door, What do you think was you're sort of peak moment where you you almost got? Guy dear cause, I mean I within that I love the fuckin. First live album and you know, ah that thing I get you can I get. You know I listen to the studio records, but the one you're with one in five and you know it and I think the at the end is on. There is well right. I mean that record is sort of like that. That was it that fuckin rocked hard for me. Can I get you kind of got out there on that? One? Where we
We're still you know, like people say, what's the most exciting concert, you know the giant medicine we're garden was mass adulation. That was cool that is right, more excited is the road up right. It's like we're, gonna make a fucking, failing this? Ok, that's kind on that lie record were still la yeah yeah you're drumming like you, since you didn't really have a base to work we having to play off of them. He had raised foot but, like the rhythm section, was you so? What who you're taking your q from Jim. Better now rob myself remedy you follow him like when you do in the end, in these kind of risk, then in going off and do whatever the fuck he's doing I mean you're, you must in some symbiotic trip with that yeah. That's very true,
were uneasy and I'm the unhappy conversation with you like. I saw it called for and with the air, but a base player. A separate based glare and a drummer. They work to keep the groove, yes all me and raise left hand, so when he would get excited Playing a solo high speed up there without a there was more space, more room for me to improvise. Keep my job is my job here. play off everybody rebellion push him right. Dynamics is the whole deal for me, I'm not the fast astronomer, but once again, if you play pianissimo fortissimo and they need between them.
Getting a whole range of human emotions right now, that's that's where you that's so yes or that that's the trick, get it again put it all ended. The thing got a longer all don't do it all at one level. All that's why metals kind of tough for me, I need some silence that either the life there up and down the end. You talk to right and you also talked Robbie Shankar, which is right to me. Like you know, it's like, I mean I'd the same type of ability, like not everybody can listen to jazz. Not everybody can listen to Raja. You know an end? Like I love it. I will listening to two Shankar, any the dunes adieu. The law form indian stuff. I ain't you to me it's like I can. Listen to that all day, and I find it completely compelling. Would you take away from MECCA trance yeah, yes, Trance, muse, yeah
It's interesting, how ok, the fat for and the fat doors were simultaneous simultaneously experiment with their legal lsd. There's no inner have here Somehow we get onto my hurry she! Well, I guess what you're thinking well this is informed about shattering on I'm nervous system in Europe is a calmer ral, so we get into that and when we get into that, It's the rubbish on car, and all that is the same, We have no communication one much, but they were see time you It was sleeping and there I like us yeah Yes, the union and our time under current sapling yeah yeah their collective unconscious images at that time,
integration, that's interesting! So a sort of a movement from LSD, democracy, then of a sunset. Our music is everywhere that that was the universal thread. Yeah. I think that chapter I say what you got so popular started using sleep time, music for porn flakes How can I stop them, but he couldn't so I'm tract of God betrayed behaviors track and sex. You know it in his yea is somehow or another they did so did you, like. I remember I think Michael Bloomfield, in his the desperation in late stage, addiction was actually playing for some porn soundtrack. Well, you know.
Junkies I'll do anything, I guess so man are. You must have seen a lot of that happened throughout the only I dont know. If, if he was a junkie diving, a dish Vienna Yea was very well has it was pretty, I think, AEGIS and that's that's just hearsay but deal. Did Heroin. Did you feel the impact like INA Wended Heroin really start destroying the rock scene and allay here's the deal? we're still with then legal psychedelic since part yeah and yes, it works at ST scientists. flooring. My right cocaine comes along even Jim thought, with a sly heroin is not some heavy shit right and then I began cool, believe dabble. I'm already hyper, so idle. Doesn't for me. I go the other way right and then she goes on the heroin. Oh, my god, it's dislike now really
and that's what hypothalamus throughout all alcohol to Jim out pretty much the right old school. the legal drugs. The idea was that what was Jack it's like when you hang out with Algeria. it was really great in the beginning, real innocent and and then sad road Virginia discuss. She could be enough had mass adulation and then what all alone and wasn't centred enough to cut pretty lonely the spear in the bottle yeah yeah or the needle yeah. sad heart. She was so you not Jim Janis were a couple of those people who have the dick creativity and and survival
in one package, addiction and creativity and one back. We are now right. Some people down right Picasso lived a ninety right here. I just as time goes on, I'm more and more grateful for what TIM gave us. really are being around. I can imagine if it sometimes it's hard for me to listen to him it's a lot more. what about you tell me about the others were like whose subcommittee mentors for you working for me. Like you, yeah? It became, time went on and I started to understand myself more about vulnerability, really that There was something about liking, a richer prior. You know when he was able to like you There was a rawness to his truth. So how do you
it under the joke yo into something that you actually speaks to the human condition in a that's a vulnerable and raw. yeah baby so fed by it Bruce and Richard and sure ship on whatever their just trying to get at the very root. submit all the an ethical. Any Lenny was sort of like Hetty Andy but he but also a great out observer of human foibles and an systemic foibles, but him but Rick There was some sort of real kind of Richard with fragile man, and you know it, and he couldn't hide it, so he yeah. He wore is hard on his sleeve, so yeah, and he brought that any brought himself too to do what he was doing in a way that I don't know that anyone's ever really done it before. I mean angers, easy and be a clown is easy, but you are really getting. Being vulnerable in in humor is tricky even talking about life. yourself on fire yeah man
Ray among Richard, like Ledger, suffer yeah man. I mean it took. Some balls are to be. The public notice did make that kind of horrendous mistake and yet that horrible accident, in the midst of all that darkness and addiction and then get an hour and a half out of it good for him, man in your career, though it's you MIKE after the doors you kind of went on some differ. Journey, I mean I get like I Eddie there there There is a certain amount of humility and an ego witness in real creative passion to to sort of pursue dance. And what was that out. Well, I became a drummer for a dance company, ok
about what I realized? You know: it's not the goal of the giant concert. It's it's the road there yet, and so I've been doing a poetry and drumming handwriting yeah in clubs and stuff for years off and on man. If I have a good night, I feel that connection with it, audience, I'm as high as that square garden. You know you're some theirs it it's like. If, if it's forty peace orchestra or do well, that's one person on stage and the audience Massa Square, a gardener club, that's the other person and the two of you are gonna dance yeah mystery and magic is how you gonna go right as they get me a salsa Walsall, Annie Metaphor here: yeah that's,
that's what I'm missing so much now with the pandemic, just saying like music and the connection is really A big party or life are well. No, I. I became a writer ten twenty years ago so I'm used to this sort of monk. Like this so I'm all right with me, but I do miss social. We human beings. Our drive? When did you sit? When did you First, how will the? Where was wrong Dawson his life when you, when you had the experience with him? Well, I was playing with his buddy Krishna ass. The two went to India in the sixty smear. gave the guru, LSD and the girl said. Well, she got behalf
This is our guy. Here I was playing a precaution with Christian at us and them the Enron Dusk came, I gotta meet him and then I got invited to his heart. This is after he had a stroke. Of course. Here, though, I had dinner with them, man, I gotta say the love by was palpable pianola corny, but me and may well be happy to be dealt a card of a stroke where each year I get Gary Snyder spaces. He translated that is. Ok, there, is gaining more in that silence, then, even if I was blah blah blind interesting, that's it
He had a real love I, but he was in a wheelchair and there wasn't pretty so to him like I'm in here that is sort of process around YO, YO sort of moving towards death and mortality and kind of making a sort of accepting. mortality. Is his trip right. So you know. So I guess Do you know when you have a stroke like I just talked to Michael J Dot Fox the other day. Cuz he's got he's got a book out and if it seems to me that the people that it's and you build a relationship with their sickness or with their. There or why abilities that people that befriended and accept that this is going to be their power. nor from here on out for one way or another are the people that are able to sort of stay in a light when it comes to life, you know, doesn't teaching for Rebecca you now were maybe
Our role is not as dramatic but we got a year. This aging makes you yield yeah hard sometimes, but as George Harrison wrote, some He knew he had cancer. Some days are quite sublime, yeah, so yeah that's right in that. In the midst of all this chaos in in horror that we're doing would now when I'm out here, I sit Am I porch? This is the life right here, right now, you're everything that's outside of me and everything I know that's going on. That's horrible is not here right now, I'm having eyes I'm having a nice day. I know this respected, you know, and hopefully you and I don't get the virus. Yes, but the earth are footprint on earth is lighter and that's it That's something to think about how you mean, with everything stalled.
yeah. When evidence, I thought you I thought about that. You were given the earth. The rest is well taken ahead, but I mean I guess, maybe we had a common. What do I talked to Patty Smith a couple weeks ago, she's lovely, you have a nice time, her all the best right I mean you know she. Starts the whole thing here, then she crosses over and rights a national book award. book- oh my god, grandma right here, what a renaissance woman you know and have a woman. she's real, listen, a little. The interview that she's part of that lineage that beautiful thread beatniks. frozen or I get, rigour is sort of like the hippy our on the shoulders of the beat right the poem
sir, on the shoulders of the hippies. The grunge is on the shoulders of the parks, and so it goes where all learning from each other. And do now. Let's talk a little bit about like gum in terms of like how you felt about how the doors she was going to be used, are allowed to use what was your source of of anxious about that well mark. It goes like this. We are solicited to do. Come I believe, like my fire, her well yeah, ok and were kind of considering James out of town, and he comes back and says idea. Good idea- and I got a idea for Herschel all go on television and I'll smash the car with a sledgehammer
that's a now, and so I think it while he didn't write them, he wrote. One line, I love become a RO pyre of course, Morrison ask right there who rose up arriving wrote that right robbing clear and so well. Jim cares about. a whole catalogue of every we're doing here. So How can I break through a new deodorant right, right or left me two times, because I just goodbye, angry right, yeah yeah. You know I've been misdemeanor got a lot of shit for now people have come around more and so forth. Do we protecting the legacy in honouring what you thought, gymnast vision wasn't what they thought. The clear division of the ban was, and he stuck by it because you didn't want fuckin sell it out.
the point of silly my band made sell my guide me out of that was so painful. I believe I did, but because we knew what they were just seeing an easy payday right on some level yeah yeah I mean they must have been doing. Ok, it's outside the doors. Well, that that's what my question was ok what I've always hard. It was kind of like the Chapelle. What what did he turned down? Fifty sixty million resolution are so without active fifteen million for breaking through a cadillac? yeah right ask whistling in up here I mean mind you after managers and splitting it all up and only a few million each still beer. I stay at the rain, Robbie. Okay. We all have
a nice house and kind of a couple, groovy cars. What are you gonna buy? What do you need here? Doktor there was that space here the truth came in there was. No answer- and I was so Oh yeah, I'm gonna do no right. You to mark important this was way back. things got so hard. If a new ban wanted to do a commercial to pay, the rent, yeah sure now, yeah I've been again you gonna tell hole and success Maybe re examined that decision and don't do it anymore had in our case, Who is like you know the guy. You know it would be on the grave of Jim Morrison, and these were iconic. Songs is thing: you know, if you need to make ends meet me, do The commercial way that there may be no and even heard before you want to sell a jingle you nobody everywhere there like this song, represented something it. It was a big shifted
thinking like even worthwhile gum like somebody for some people can have, they use digging pop search and destroy a thing for a Nike commercial, and I talked to the dude a music manager. He said that the guy who view that song for that or got permission to use? It didn't even know who he was. He saw the title on them. He saw the title on a list of songs and then checked it out, but but I'd lie you know for Iggy. You know what kind of like it can. A reinvigorated is clear when he probably needed the bread, because he doesn't yet you don't yes what well, when Nike backed up Colon Catherine Guy, I'm not, I don't wear ports gear yet, but I went to Nike and bought a teacher either as a key towns, and I quote in most second, both the unhinged near the point of view. I say you know people weren't
getting fed by our songs or fell in love were first time I got high. We can change the soundtrack to their life and details and says I would give us flock of you fell in love with surely, thereby song. It's my saw to it right, man right and yeah yeah it's like way. Imbros, they d, pay. Smithy gotta, keep your name clean. You know what I mean now did you guys did did everybody and on a good, no, like we re past, were you ok, we were strained, and I I Since then, the last chapter of the second book with another saying listen. This is gonna be a hard pill to swallow. I want to make sure you got to this chapter, same here. How could I not love you guys week? We create mad, get a garage them
then, when I heard re was getting really sick, I call them and thank God he take the phone up. Nobody does the happier and we talked about his cancer and none of the legal ship, which was all right one, but it felt good to hear his voice now we I bet it was, it was a closure I feel german him even deeper. Now, yeah yeah, Talk to home sure, but yeah course you d, think about Jim Rigour, I have dreams about him. Occasionally, oh yeah, I remember he taught does this dream he had a big concert and he goes back hotel room and his down the hall and here's a bunch of voices in his room here he looks that a key ass, the right Rome any opens the door
there's a whole bunch of people in their partying and they look at him. I who the fuck are you the dream of a pretty interesting you dream about him: oh, I dreamt that he was back he was clean and sober. He was in a light and our money suit. Why would he want anyone to play re use raid ago yeah. I guess like when you have is the time you guys had for the amount of time you had it again. I guess it's hard to like those memories must be pretty amazing, I mean I'm not saying that you know you don't have a life after that. Would you obviously do, but you you, the bond you create were guys like you said you make magic that lasts forever. You must be really Well. I've had several marriages mark in this way:
it's gone, all my whole I'd like I was John. Rose member have near he like this and I said being abandoned polygamy without sex. yeah? You guys are in air and how do you talk to Robbie. Occasionally yeah how's he doing during after them. illegal has that we finally place a music together at the county museum The felt really suite immediately was like we are back really, you guys are good, so distinct, it's so wild that you can just pick up after so many years and and you You lock writing. Do it right yeah. Did you So in your blood, that's him, no one. amazing to me. Remember those songs and I mean Gustavo started data Mouth conducts without manuscripts,
yeah, they told all those symphonies are just in his friggin had great Wi Fi, like just like that the moment, whereas watching that the above us only sky, which was a documentary about John Lennon, in the making of imagine that you have a family All this footage he had been around forever. Is I talk. I talk to Sean about it, he said TAT. He knew that footage because they had it. You know they ever saw that the putting together that doc, many but there's a moment. We know undoubted that mansion and their recording imagine and there he has George come out too. I want a few songs, Ray and theirs just a moment that they capture on camera where job and yet on the piano and Georgia sitting holding a guitar and John just Sir George, and and and Looked at him with that face like in a we understand, each other on a level that you're no one else can even understand.
And George immediately got it without anything being said and knew exactly what to do, and I was like holy shit, that's amazing! Well I mean you know if you work together long time, it's kind of like a private club right, but you know with with much gratitude for all the facts, and I also think that a lot of people to realise how many dates you guys fuckin did I mean it's like you got these records. Were you guys we're on the road a lot right, yeah that went for six years? Three we were added. I mean that so many show so much places. So may I mean like you, I always forget that, like people like Hendricks- and you guys it's like we here, records. We hear the live record or to be guys did hundreds of dates, hundreds of dates, syllable, comes into a right, you just you go in that spits yeah. That's it in a minute and then others and you're in it. It must be just a lady,
but you want to make a fresh to appear in comedy just the phrasing of a jack or flops, and then something happens if these hysterical right, we ve little room. Will space at improvisation, yeah masses, jasmine? That's that's! The best job drawn, raise gold, improvisations saw connected German, and it's like in that's those are the sometimes the best moments. Is that one yeah that few minutes he got out of it. You are it's like. Oh my god, you know getting older. I dont have as much took me drumming wise, but I think I've learned that if you put the right symbol crash in the rights spot, yeah it's as powerful as these big flurries idea in my twenty soya enough salmon carbon, this right, yeah, you know yet it's it's adjusting
its evolving. Your timing, there's something more satisfying to that. Then you know then just a flurry you can lock. If you didn't know one b, you like you know, yielded yielding yeah man yielding where'd. You get that word. I got that. From a cover over a Pearl Jim Album yield. Oh yeah, these player took the photograph of a yield side right now, that's pretty hip! You, like those guys Eddie saying this: when we are conducted in the Raw hall of Fame alone, a guy, great singer ha. I got those pipes from the little guy crazy, we're hey man he's good talking here and I love the book, and I wish you the best of success with it, and you seem healthy, so you'll be around awhile, really great connect wherever it was fun. Take care of yourself.
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