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always delivering the conversations always engaging with the people. very exciting, shouted for me out enough for you I know who you are and what you do. What do you do? Who are you do you know the other handle on it we found out new things about yourself during this time. Isolating alone with family dealing with hardships masking up suiting up going out into the world. Terrified of things We can't see, I'm not I can about conspiracy theories. I'm talkin the covered. How do you, California, we're doing our best to get everyone infected? Apparently. we seem close got new strain out here super covered. Fucking cover that there. get your glass, brick walls. Car metal yeah, it's happening

This indestructible covered creeping at all services raining down in you yard, among still leaves in the grass covered just solely drifting down from the skies evil manner. I'm excited about the show they because I talk to Daniel then why I have always been sorted fascinated with. He is venture of a sonic universe. He is the he is the the enabler of some of the older wizards of song, deceptive and their final years, in a way that is missing defying in honouring a certain type of poetic darkness. I speak specific we have Bob Dylan. I speak specifically the album time out of mind which we produce, which is the first time he was really on my radar and unlike who is the wizard that created this cave. four Dylan to walk into towards today,

shimmering, but flickering light at the end of it. Who is this man who cushion the genius in this. Miracle darkness, Daniel Lenoir, produce at record produced. Are you Tuesday, Joshua Tree the unforgettable fire tomb, baby, couple those he did with Brian Eno- Peter Gabriel, so which I say so too. but he's longtime collaborative with Brian Eno and he's dead. He's done. Amazing solo work, Malta, Instrumental list sort of fascinating, never brothers. I can, though, is too big. We'll talk about a lot of stuff but I'm sort of a few music nerds or this specific brand of music nerd view Ino Freaks, Dylan Freaks, just music breaks in general production nerds This is your time. Very exciting. He's got a new record coming out there. In the spring, that's great, but

very trying. I met you, I maybe it's called hope. I don't know, I'm I'm bleakest fuck really and I got good feelings it binds- can hit the ground running until we get some infrastructure around the active, governance again, get rid of the left over Griffin, urban babbling, lunatics and conspiracy, fuck wads, some governance, some weight ship so effectiveness around taking care of them. fucking country and I No, if its hope, as I said, I don't know if it's hope, but I think knowing narcissists in understanding how narcissist work done. A trump lost he lost and no matter how he bends that he still to be treated like a loser, but he's go to Florida in this idea that he's going to maintain. this position is some sort of kingmaker as some sort of influence her In the GEO p, I guess it's true, but I

I bet you that he goes down. There was nothing more than the like, given zero fox and play golf. he's a fucking loser. He was always a loser. There's something about the victim stick, the aggravated victim. Stick the grievance junkie, victim stick their broken people just take to do. I don't know I do know that the new year can be a good time for mental health check and better help offer online licence professional therapists who are trained to listen and help with issues relationship, conflict, depression, sir, fifteen grief, trauma, anxiety, anger, stress and more finding. It Airbus can be intimidating and time consuming, but with better help. You simply fill out a questionnaire to help assess your needs and then get matched with your counselor and under forty eight hours ease

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oh Christ in other neighbours or prior gonna come what I do. What I do yeah the victim. Stick: people love it. love the victim stick. It goes in deep. When I talk to my old man now, my old man is Losing it a little bit Asia. Eighty two and it happens But you know is yours. your family, who is done with four years ago, there's a theirs I don't know who does it or who were why I dont know him to be that interested are curious, but somebody's gotta gotta watching away. An Oar Fox NEWS Devil got. Republicans of one kind or another around him in his urine. there's a point where. The discussion you gotta stop calling the right wing right wing

call them the American Fascist Party. If that's what they're doing, if that's, who, though, That's true. They are that's who they are consuming. Crises made manifest by technology in real world time bullshit non reality people believing in non reality. get more and more violent. They have to to defend the non reality, to defend themselves from reality creeping in, but My old man, you know he's yeah I've lightened up on him because he's not really think This clearly is used to get on the phone with him just to catch up a little bit and told them. When I thought about the insurrection. I told them. You know what I thought about what's happened. In the country, in he's afraid of everything. He hasn't quite nigh to process. It needs employer Asia Year only surveyed the devil Well, what do you think about this sum? This dead, deep state

what do you think about the deep state and I said well I'd I'd live their lives, We disappointing. If there is a deep state day and do their job, and I said I don't think, there's a deep state. I think it's created entity, to add to the victim mode and the grievances and the conspiracy to brain fuck people he's like yeah yeah. I hear you, I don't know about all tat day, but till you don't think, there's a deep state I don't I don't. I don't think there's a deep, Dayton the way you're thinking about it. with the way you're saying that he goes. So why wait what he? But what do you know about this? This is how he would- and I said why, the Hollywood when I get the actor? Who were He knows there from there from the paraffin. pedophile ringing moved in Greece

Am I god? Oh you talking about these actor and unlike what actors gee. I don't know if you know big actor MIKE you gotTA, be more specific issues like how old is an old alder guy, like my George Clooney old older, like Michael Douglas Old, yeah, Gatt He moved a grace because of had a file ring at sea. I think so. What are you talking about I know it's what I heard it's like it's so Hollywood. He says you're, not gonna part of that right, unlike what site day deep state am I, I dont know I am I applied. But I haven't got my membership card. You know cause the Trump fucked up the post office. so you're not involved MIKE. No, no, I'm not

not involved in deep state. I'm not I'm, not deep state that these words good. Like I M glad, you feel better man, hey You know things or coos up there. There were loose with him. Now, I'm not driving you just happy that there are ok yeah. I'm not part of deep state, The Peter ring. so Daniel in law eyes is a very exciting interview. It's it's! It's a real music nerd interview, for those you don't know, is work for those you do. I hope that engage them in a way that you enjoy his new album is called heavy Son. It's gonna come out this spring. You can check the first single under the heavy son, wherever you listen to music. This is me. talking to the studio wizard,

and amazing musician Daniel, and why are you doing? Buddy pretty good appeared Toronto, your job? I'll tell you lucky fucker coercion, anything we hear about LOS Angeles and the media is like, oh, my goodness, militias have not no place to bring covered patients knowledge is drive around the block. We I hear that two man I'm I'm sitting here and in my house you still got a house over there. Don't you in her and Silverlake how long you been up in Toronto? I guess cup for months now. Is that where you grew up around there, I grew up. I'm french Canadian. When I grew up in Hamilton, which is near Toronto between Buffalo, I know exactly where Hamilton is I spent I spent. two weeks in Hamilton. It felt like a lifetime effect

what were you doing there? We are shooting a movie and the wreckage of your fair city. the other day? I that I guess he tax subsidies and what not her they ve it very available to shoot practically in Hamilton. Well, you know it Well, it's got all the year factories. If you need an industrial said, We didn't need industrial settings. I think it was just they just make it available, as it seems like all those factories have our long gone Daniel, their long gone, still there were not the same as they were, but you know there's a lot of. Victorian kind of houses, YA houses, so it would be, you know, squint all, but could be Boston could be a lot of places. You sure, but it's right there. It's there's a sort of collapse there that we see in a lot of the great in a stool american cities. Woman's last time you went back our light. I stopped by regularly there, but I

what you mean about the collapse theatre. Took a train once from mom well from buff alone. I went all the way to New Orleans, somehow or other. I went through the back wonders of all those northern towns and saw a lot of them. the client, your speaking, was out on the way to make yourself a record in New Orleans. Exactly there that's interesting, record, because you know your fee the canadian and the sort of french, caging culture, you're down there when you sing in French on that record with the accordion. It all seems to fold right in well. I lie history goes originally from up here. You know: is it of the year? Katy were expelled from Canada when Brit, Sir took over and the

once it. What we're not about to follow the new rules. They put him on a boat, none. They went South Louisiana and they were shot New Orleans and went to love her yet and the EC the occasion became catching a giant God Jack Cage and that's how it started set an that's it. So you're actually returning home to agree a degree you're bringing bringing home back down to where it ended up funny to think of it that way. The butt yeah, the accordion has lived on in the year and the cage and community level this step is still happening now and I am sure man I mean that your tell me that the accordion sound came from from Canada. Originally a lot of a did. You really did that comes by way of, but that's, but it's different too different accordion, then german accordion right. Yes, it is. It's a lie. image of accordion, the the the zydeco in the Cajun, one that I'm thinking of it. Some of those,

We plan to keys in plan D injury, but it's like not a poker groove. You know like that. Came up through taxes rights, you get all that counts the music and all the sort of brass and accordion stuff said infused Mexicans is in taxes is not there, came accordion came up through norland I'd, say: somehow or other one it fell into. The web design music is as more black occasion is more white, but to D does I has very, very rhythmic if you're familiar to no shared optimum pop pop pop, but the after promoted Well, let's talk about the melodies. What about banning now? You know and I knew no new Hulu. So those are all french Canadians right right, right, almost Caltech. Yes, so you try. can those rhythms, because, even though the white cage stuff does

it seems to have a little bit of a shuffle to right, there's a little bit of is of a groove where'd you get into that. The poker thing is: that's just that's tight. That's germ german, tightness Duncan content on content, I I somehow or other I managed to sidestep the poker that is not a poker step decides that I don't think about it. at a swing pass. The bulk of their so called up in Canada. I me what was it because it seems to me looking over and what you do and trying to assess what you do not like the new song. By the way, I'm excited to listen to the new record. Could thanks. I mean what was it like. I have to assume that on some level, playing with Gordon Lightfoot the Canadian must have been somewhat have an exciting thing. Well, I played with Sylvia Thyssen and we open for Gordon Lightfoot, but I know what you mean that whole folk singing up here that my time in Ontario,

but your time in Quebec does I lived in Quebec till I was nine in place I'll get you know after an hour from Montreal. Sime originally from around their time of day, yeah, then my mom Rico relocated the family to Hamilton S when I start speaking English, when you were nine yet and saw the back get back. I heard My dad played violin, as my grandfather did there. algae Aloni, many a lotta jigs, so I was exposed to that name good music ass, a child. You very melodic a little bit like when I sang a minute ago. You know, in some of them very mournful and minor keys, and so that was my first exposure to music. He sort of stating that minor key for a lifetime a little bit. By emotion, if not specifically, by key again right Ryan Interesting, the writer. You know you, you reference my purse, racket record, I catchy

a very sad song, cuz Louise, which is kind of a happy a pound bubble upon the bump on the bonfire, This is a sad stories about people breakin up. We will manage to my my mother, packed up the kids and then she's gone That is that it is at a true story. True story: That's why we in the Hamilton Europe You're, who is there who hit the bottle? You're a man? Oh man? the bottle and my mom with the four kids on a car. five hundred miles ass. You never saw him again why that's heavy. How many are you, the youngest? No, I have an older rather than I'm the one below them so all those little kids and he got out of control and things got ugly and she had to leave yeah. She had heard enough- and we came here

I want in and then here he picked up the three boys installers back and then she went by one more time, installers again and then at the end of the ball. He stole you back here, so when you just showed up and Hamilton said, get in your work in the school three boys are you guys get in and drove them in modern times is kidnapping, but back then it just. Where was now? What do you get a year? Where did you feel like me? You don't seem like an angry fella. You don't seem like you're carrying a chip on your show. that you're out of control yourself, we just sort of talk between the two I mean I don't know. I've talked for ten minutes. Maybe I'm projecting well the amendment We love my mom and we weren't fully aware of all the problems they were having so ready to jump in the car with my dad and but we

the great time back with him. You know he We lived in the woods and of a cat, a cottage yeah. Or a few months and we, errors and rifles he worked in town and come back and on the weekend, so we lay on our own. We live on a three boys and was great you're. Lucky you didn't know what was really gonna, maybe I mean in modern times so much communication. You know I would be different now back, then it wasn't just a bunch of kids and I try to make the best of it. I like the old man and everything and in the world. Good time with them, but a marrow problems are that Burma, my mom did the right thing so you're after leaving I'm just curious, define the sort of bedrock of the kind of longing the real, in a sound that runs through a lot of what you produce in your honor

and to working with you now in some yourselves stuff. I've me, I see that you have an appetite for. and a desire to engage with all different types of music. But it seems like the thread is, is something sweet theory and heavy hearted. Yet this melancholy and there's a thread more did that start. You think you can get started with the violin or it might a star with a violin, but in the end I was alone or as a child. I my start working in Bayonne, rule nine or ten labour the morning paper, I really liked- and I got spend time of Myself- Walker Mask all kind of questions about what I saw on about liason at I left. I was pretty internal. I answered it. I guess it My imagination started developing them, but in regard to the melancholy I suppose you know the affair, kid moving into an english neighbourhood would add to the latter.

right time to learn to speak English and being a bit isolated you and I also think that living in the woods, I think that something about you know that part of yeah. I don't really know where your father waved her. What that part of north, America or the continent. Looks like, but I you're having spent a couple years in Alaska when I was a kid there's a weight to that taught the to that part of the world of their worth. cold and gray, and that that sort of like either it feeds. Europe makes me sad and if it is not enough, the environment had any in impact on but I find that my brain goes back to that sort of melancholy. Are we greatness in and I dont minded. I find a comforting here well you're, a pretty we're there in the woods me was an entirely isolated. As you know, there was a lake and it was a tiny little town. You know ten miles away.

We got to go and a lake tat allowed any time we wanted in had access to raw climb, in pine trees, and all that was very beautiful, but it, but it was wild I think that the wild reminds you did You know you're an animal like bears cyclists, what's up to her nose, Yeah that'd bears butter dear God, ass some of the EU. Wars, Lacheneur staff, in her sure, a lot of luck, bird life, fish nor lad, snakes and but suckers on your leg. When you come out of the water the which I set. So when did you start sort of digging in to like it? If used to me, like I ain't, you know, I am I'm trying to put it together, but it feels to me that you're sort are rooted in you know, your fairly honest acoustic, music. You have fraud,

from here and an wherever you put it. You take it, but it seems, like you know, whatever evolved into a sort of attack, nourish Amby? The exploration was kind of rooted in acoustic music, now yeah the beginning, was definitely acoustic music. Her you know when we got to camel tonight acquired a low penny whistle. love that little whistle his eye I could reach? isolate melodies, and I got pretty good, applying melodius, economically single notes on on a penny, whistle yeah Well, that's what I did and I really liked it develops. notation systems, because I had not. Studied music. Yet at that point I invented a little notation systems. I could remember my melodies and I like those early years because it forced me to develop some kind of her

aware of remembering what I like the most about about my instrument. My playing in my discoveries is melody. Yeah melody. But what was interesting about his eye? I had not read music it, so I wrote The low noted the autumn and will put the top note at the top in India in between when some one I came up with, was not unlike what we know as music written on a music staff. without your system, and you do your eventually studied music. You eventually, I studied music, my mom used to give me a dollar a week, to go to the movies. And but I'd seen, somebody play clarinet on TV One wonders lick play the clarinet. So on one Saturday going to the movies, I saw what look like a clarinet of in a music store window. Simon then- and I said how much for that he said a dollar a just a plastic

whistle Pelagueya. Is that, like recorder, Ella recorded history at here, a little recorded end- and that was the beginning. There is no movie on that Saturday Gillette's the penny whistle. So I drove everybody crazy in the house for a while playing that thing, but those days. It was door to door canvassing and someone from one of the music schools in the neighborhood, the conservatory music, not done sales guy knock on my mom's door and said began because it like music sissy one there. He likes music, the past year to Turkey. So ok, we teach accordion, and slide guitar, but I I'll, take sly guitar. That was begun, a mere the guitar ampler allow so like what, out of all things, That is why the guitar what we want idea. What was the angle that doesn't seem very canadian configure? Now

There was a little bit of a slide. Guitar crazy. I think it was however, had come from. There first, electric guitar? I was slightly times how far the hawaiian music crazy things like the National Steel like a dough bro it or not. It yet oh bro right near Dovo, but this was an acoustic guitar registers, a regular goose itobad rang. I at high action right corny hit a little bar and Anna. My lessons took me again to melody. I played the melody on just things like River Valley down there and their new ground, you do and my teachers from the cords- and so I continue with a melody with this time on flag it and that's the gateway drug. Is that slide man right because So I can others no threats, and you know you can do some real space travel with that shit like a penalty or swine I can really get kind of out there with it yet that's right. You can now up

The piano where the piano use is very specific. To the note Wednesday, the slide allows you in parliament parliamentary among riding at that, and in like that sort of weird kind of, like you know, African up through that delta, slightly dissonant, tremolo business. That can definitely do so. Time travel with either. The tremolo part allows the player to get to a certain emotional plays its a bit like the voice, la la la la who play a real strength. Singer rose trader who, and you get what you, though, inflection the rice waters a cigarette, but you can't do that her piano, but slide. Uk yeah you get, you can get some haunted business go in with a slide, the activity closer. Does the ferryman right. reach is a little. That thinking it's kind of ridiculous aquarium.

hard to play here and a lot of the older siphoned movies. At a spooky moment, he eyed- I don't. I don't think it's a practical instrument for a modern music. I don't enjoy the sound. The hook, I want to argue with you. So when do you? When did you did you start in bands? Then I mean, did you you were you? Did you consider yourself a boost, guitar players, hawaiian style, slide player were somebody could do anything with a slide guitar. Did you move on to another instrument? I moved on to irregular spanish. iter in arms fretted irregular, like a little Stella low, how you seers catalogue, tardy in service, a re, regular western iter visa, and I like you lot, I got pretty good on a quick and yet I join Man little bands in the neighborhood cuz. It was some of the kids on the block to play. Then I'm going to war

garages on roof and rooftops, and then, when did you start cut music, a right and music? I got a tape recorder, when I was about twelve, and that was the beginning of the recording studio. I was a little flea market machine that had a microphone do- you still have that in your studio, any use it sometimes in your message. I wish I did that, long, but it was a one. Stop shop, beekers on born in the mire and everything all you did is record here know where the mic is and do what we're doing Talkin than his mark. When we went back and then press the button play in there, we worry and that's when he started doing the work. That's when I started recording my friends came over and you got pretty good with an I bought up. I'm not a little Four track and then are you dear you're, like fifteen or them, Actually, I had one before then call a Sony ahead

she's gonna. Call that sound on sound right record one thing. I know you understand don't sound, allowed you to go from there channel to the right while recording them Again tell you recorded that no young record the newly on record wasn't too far away from the meal This way, one guitar no laid down any play guitar again, on top of it, that is stored, or what that record is a little bit right. It's almost sound on sound in a way it's in the sense that he didn't want anybody else, plan on the record. The invitation initially was but I record him: do in ten solo acoustic songs, I found him as well as we make films is well was at your house. yeah and one in Silverlake end the beautiful old place, not ways and we emptied out the room and

We a lovely setting for Neil in an already great sound and, like I percent him, my little girl, acoustic acoustic and I set up a sound in this. Prior to his arrival, innocent check this out any place. I didn't even take his own guitar. Other cases, allies, beautiful. If we wait but the we had a little secret weapon we had a high octane divide or machines justice, little cheap contraption that you put the guitar through and the low. strings trigger an octave below so creating a two hour had suddenly had this seeming. A basic pillar applying with him, but I was just him on a guitar and then whatever I didn't get track properly by this cheap demise. I then upload. I went and repair the notes and more track with my mother the pedal. So I it overdone on on the record, but wasn't there

that now. Did you tell him he'll know now have two evaluation. It either he's right, maybe get. everything's gonna buy that certain it, sure thing, because to me a lot of you no harm modern production. Yo does incorporate all these elements of of the analogue and and and kind of a model. An ancient sound that I associate with with with with some sort of m earlier time. You know whether be echo, were or noise textures, they seem do to be rooted in something nostalgic almost Well, it's an interesting sideways to the tools Manipulation of sound- and I took an interest in that in the seventies, our work with a canadian producer him bill, Brian and

He was always pushing me too weird things up a little bit. You not try running this man, and that was the seventies. I guess I was the seventys and then I re already producing oh yeah I was already producing. And I made so many records eyes. through the seventy he said earlier. Is producing a lot of gospel records. Funny enough real, yeah, I was associated with a christian organization that brought term quartet's from all over the world to Canada, Canada Uninstall Studio to make a record in two days. A lot of that end, but I was also do indeed the more advanced medical experts, mental music and that's would lead me to meet briny know what the gospel Stop I mean what? How did that affect you, that those kind of vocal harmonies, because, like you, don't I feel the history of something in in the music. When I, when I was into a date, we did you find that that that

I mean I assume that you had to record the gospel singer pretty straight ahead right. It was enough to fuck with that too much they are already very balanced acts, and so I had a fortress studio in those days the gospel stuff, because what I heard Through the speakers was ready, education, about how parts fit together, how so darling I got to get to hear There is the fundamental here's. The baseball in the lead singer, one overlanders data many below and harmony about. I got to hear lairs all the boy places moved according to the court. but serving the melody right Mr Kuhne. Something might not get in a school. You know you can be in a school for ten years, not be exposed to this kind of expertise. Right offers. Some

It happened that happen over the course of a couple of years. I got to hear some of the best singing harmony singing from around the world just for doing gospel. and will you an engineer? Actually, producing as more than engineer, but I didn't know what a producer was. Then, sir, is doing everything in oh sure I just don't call that eventually right in so tell me about this fell off in the seventies. What's his name again, Brian yeah. What's his story, his story? He was in Toronto drummer producer and he was recording a lot of the art bands from from terrain to end, we recorded the downtown blues band with Donnie Wall, stony, a ruler, songs for the blues brothers some of that association, but he was also recording and called the parachute club

Mama KIA, and then the time twins and the time twins went to New York and took the demos we made from my place they met in only played on the tape, any reelected. So that's how to meet Anna, and when you met him. What year was that many? No late, seventy nine! Have you been a fan before noise? You don't know anything didn't know anything about him. So did you showing I am old, and what do you think I know and it's hard to find that she, you gotta, find a guy at a record store that turns you onto that stuff. You not just gonna stop going to land in your lap, I mean there was no internet knows day saw no man, I mean if it wasn't, for the guy who worked at the record store next to the restaurant. I worked in ice go, I would never know about. You know where the residence or John Hassle, Harold Butter, Fred Fritz, I mean granted. I was fourteen years old Livin in Albuquerque Next Guide, lucked out that that guide dump that stuff in my head. But you can't. I need one of those guys You need one of those guys here

well you are the one night I got introduced, grandmaster, flash and craft work from home, for the time. Twins. That's a big night big is. Big night, that's a brain, changing night. Absolutely man the best crews and then neither the mosque, however stuff commoner. Germany knows so, like you said, you know, We need those kind of those turning point, It might be the guy in the record store, maybe a girlfriend you're smarter than you and oh yeah, right yeah that that girlfriend that sheep, the issue me under Roxy, music thou gets connected. Eventually, everything gets connected? Then a guy left to live, sixty nine Velvet Underground album in my apartment? In my god? That's that's where that fits in Ok, I wonder now our New York after you, I never got to New York now

well. I didn't run nineteen eighty one of my first so with ye know, thou. So this guy, you find out this dude likes you and the house I presented to you because I mean that I assume the beginning of what is a continuing creative relationship, and I imagine friendship and minutes goin on thirty seven years, right, yeah. Well, He came in to my life, if and my studio with these piano records, by Harold Bud yeah we he had already recorded the piano in New York, so he came to my studio with a view of processing on top dramatic different sound because it what do because of what he heard you do. He thought you, this guy to work within this. He was tired. of the studio in New York and he really appreciated erode the dice on. On my place, He really appreciated that were small town. We were once a week myself

my brother Bob, this isn't Hamilton Hamilton, and then we were. We heads Malta manners, but it's your studio. I guess I missed that part. You'd started studio NAM year. We will finally got out of the basement. My mother's house, you have this point we'd model of building where those old victorian houses and then recording studio so was a sweet little spot What was nice about? It didn't have a piece of feeling of rushing around in a we write with and attention to every project that came in and I read. I was very impressed with how directed he was. His vision was very specific haha then he at you. I learn a little bit about him at that point. In our minds skies done a lot and he would devote himself to something that was seemingly quite ups you're too me right, but I loved it, and I I appreciated

that he was willing to spend. So much time with the details- and I thought myself well- I'm gonna jump in what are you know on this and not just be hit the ball all over the place too, to many too many kind records but before that you had recorded a lotta different stuff will mostly local stuff right ok, but I haven't you know I had a few hits and can cause. I was starting to rise up as a him as a community record producer, but I'll I had to pay the bills, so we were recording whoever banged on the door in the studio and by many you know anyone I know. Well, there was Speaking to rise up a band. All the parachute club. We had hit rise up, and that was the one that Vienna heard. No, he heard the time twins Sally. He heard it was more obscure thing and but it was very, very full of adventure

onyx and as I would respond, that's right right so you re you're, making a couple I had to work with. You know the canadian action and Ino he sort of shifted your attention to something more specific. That became sort of aid. Creatively, life changing event. I imagine ear. I had never felt what I felt with him, and I thought I have reason to trust this man and I love what he's doing I decided that I would never do anything. I don't want to do again. What was it about him? I mean I you know. Obviously I mean it's interesting to me that you know you're, but your course ward of love of melody and I think, that you know how that is well aside from you know what he's known for as produce. The ambient records are not necessarily men, but he driven

like his earlier records, but it does seem that he, when you talk about your record, What is the penny whistle that man? of his early albums were kind of fun. and an romping, an almost the melodies but have been penny whistle, melodies that he had an appreciation for those simple melody It was a good singer and he mob singing, and so he always had an appreciation for on the central the picture that way. I was able to help them make those records, because, Not only was I good. Technician was musical, so maybe I had more music education than than him. Could you come from art school yeah, so I was able to speed things along for himself, the process along according to his vision, and he appreciated that I was playing a good supporting role to him get into where he went

to get with what was the first Ino album that you knew did with him. It was it wasn't that Harold, but was it was wasn't Harold, but one called plateau of mirror the I have that Yeah yeah any live the John Hassle records. To did you work with the John Hassle to I made? region has on record chimp and, What was the inner so a record that you worked on well then we went on to do another Harold Bud record called the moral and then we did one call APOLLO a tall one than I was more involved with, because I placed him get madness. your guitar here I played some steel guitar on APOLLO, in fact, this one track on their called deep blue day that shows up in the train. Fighting movie right in the end, also like it brought something the EU? No, I was added like did you suggested to him, because I think that's like the fourth or third or fourth, ambient record up to that point,

but she might mostly in in my memory to be synthesizers and then on that record. Like those last few, the cuts are just sort of like INA again in other slide takes centre. stage and yoga, It introduces something entirely new into Ino, sound wars, discussions around that around you say my god. It lay down some country rifts in this ambient idea. Here, where the The APOLLO record was meant to be a soundtrack for a documentary space missions. The powder keg of gas once called APOLLO, The astronauts were listening to country music when they were in outer space, so we desire, I would add, I say, like a still guitar the closet, maybe we can add a little bit of twang might relate to the film tell started because it is your guitar elapsed. Steel within a lap. It was a peddler lapse, deal

real steel. All really, I had a little show bud pedal steel. I still have it here. I think it's either of you can see it in, I see a right area right behind you, yeah. so in that in so after doing all that stuff with ie? No, you guys you develop! Some sort of shorthand you're around how you worked together and in how you produced together. Here we always got results fast, oh yeah, yeah it. I was quick with IE. quick in the studio and quick come up with a pardon. Everything always came our way quickly in, and so we what scratching our heads are running into roadblocks. You know interesting that it happens quickly, but the sound you quote this sound that your creating is quite Spain

shit, you, whenever you and everything that everything was moving too fast during the ambient air records, yeah temples well and the processing were quick as wind. We develop this technique in most recording studio people up to that point, people listening to their effects almost as as a side bar to the main components and you might You know you might have a river on a vocal azure, working a lot and then, when you finally mix you would go back to that and recreate what you were most excited about it. But we had a technique whereby we those those effects We're not just showing up as a temporary sound, in the plan they were area, they were fine to stare. Prepare ready to be printed all the time, so we can if we got lucky, we hit on something that was recall, just pray

recording and weep printed the the sound effects right would then allow us to take treat those as instruments and send them back to the effects again, and we just kept adding to the chain of attacks and eventually list we hit on these quaint radical, sounds for that time. That's how we hit on on a lot of those real spacious son was octave sounds on those rice, celestial signals, we call them and then I go hooked on their has we never treated our processing as something that you just have as a convenience along the way, but we treat them like like this. Thousand, where the most important and its edges because that those sounds that you guys came upon are always sort of hovering in almost all of your records that you do that you do for other people, it sort of like, what's that in the background that justice space sound it wigand,

pretty good at it that I have. I have continued with it, yet I'm even gotten better at it than modern times. You know the I found a way to I found a way. finally because the problem with River is long. actual sounds as they can bleed over cord changed and really screwed things out. I see all right right you than ever. It is almost sounds out of tune, the yes or Euro ATLAS, even a cord. That's a semi torn up from from the record, and if the report carries on and with reaper than is it's a train wreck, so I found a way of dealing with it. Nowhere as the poor change happened and sending action also shift Armani. Clearly so you don't get the bleeding effect. I mean it's getting into four detect, stop here now, but explains a lot. I just like a united noticed even on you're, on on your first, so album yeah I've and it was in this new home, but that that you found

that would be a way to blend. These are all elements that you sort of perfected with Ino with something more almost a coup, stakes: are there this weird mixture of something where you put an instrument up front in a very clean way sort of moves around with each instrument, but but the bed of of sort of celestial echo, your kind of this is always present creating another texture. Buddy does. Take away from this most analogue nature of some of the instruments you put up front. That's because those textures are not just a reverb right there. They are. of up front sound push back into the multi track and late in such a way that they provide harmonic backing to the front melody and that's that's your magic. Daniel, that's that's! That's! That's that the great there right. It's are, the neutral, There is

a dub driven. We called dubbed nose out of here pretty good at it. great man- and it's like in like ok so after the after you know make these discoveries. So how does it happen that you produce, like the biggest you to record, that ever existed and argue? We probably one of the biggest you to write what I guess you did unforgettable fire first was pretty fucking big. How did how did the wider you guys, because I know that you know done had been produce. some people, John Caille and some other folks, and you know? But how did you to happen? while we were, hang on now I think the let's say the APOLLO record in Hamilton oh god, Invitations sent him from his office Imitation was others is young irish man that would love to have produced. I record and he said I'm not are all interested in producing anymore. Why are you anyway?

and he was living at my house at the time when Hamilton, yet the obvious waving would briny. No enamelled thing, like I'm sorry my my memories of that city. I mean, I think that at that time was probably still like to eat it. Would it was all a beat up when I was just there? So it's hard for me to picture it in TAT Day, but it must have been. It was planned, He was just hang out at your house. Was he hiding? Nobody knew he was. We worked in the day in the studio and then withdraw my house at night and listened her annexes in ITALY. I can hardly alone bedrooms loan feminist at his area and an eye spot on the mountains away from the factories in nice. So we take the They Senate they ve sent a demo take, and I saw a little at least listened with these guys on the tape and that what we have it singers, that's some making really hit. The high notes seems to be kind of a boy I'm here

he said now. I'm not interested as they will listen to get a foot in the door and this in this world saying at this point. Is it why don't you reduce me and all produce the record. He said. Well, we can pull that off yeah, but anyhow we we got time, densher going to Dublin to meet the guys and wood, the ploy was enormous can introduce me he wants and I make the record yeah. I was here because he is trying to help me out we're good friends reactor and earlier. We found ourselves in a car crunched up in the back a ban and one car meaning of and embargo did it they play some tracks. They were working on a bonus dumped shouting in the car, as Israel is really good at convincing people. You know

and before when you were a convincing, oh, that we're gonna, do it and up altogether, Gonna hustled, you guys he turned on the charm. That's right, you worked! That's you to start something I mean, maybe for you and may be for Ino as well, that you know too Lord of apply the thing. is it. You guys were discovering in the studio. That was your relatives. I mean I would say, not not it's not that it's not accessible. But you're a very small audience. You have for what summit stuff. The inner doing now. You have this opportunity to apply these techniques in these sounds you guys are discovering to your. What as you know, a mainstream act. So What was the negotiation? How did you deliberate that they were, to bring Ino win because they knew that he'd have fresh, way of looking at things they want. Then we want to make the same records I just made before they want to move on. it took a lot of ours are atmosphere

Eriksson or celestial Sonic to Dublin, and so it was kind of it. next day. Just why unforgettable fire has. It has a lot of texture too. It was weird. we're excited about that technique that I described to you right. and so we are able to apply that what they were doing right and they they dug it and yet It was a bit of a thing that was happening already in order Simple minds head to new goal dream and which was a little bit was quite panel annex on a year so that, and they appears, and so that the that record was a point of reference for us and so the they welcome the textures So that's why that record, when in that direction, because we were able to export from Canada to Ireland so that was sort of cod in that almost in a bordering on guard swedish new wave thing

had gotten it less right earlier, but after after we ve been the unforgettable fire said to the edged it we had something left to say and if you want to invite back in, and I think we can do another great recording and then we did that Joshua. But in between that you did, you did Peter Gabriel recording work with the with the Ngos that he knows brother. while the the painter Gabriel Record, TAT Peter call me because he had heard the ambient record. You heard the herald interprets right, he was doing, the soundtrack for a film called Birdie with Alan right. However, was brought into can a weird things up a little bit too do soundtrack and out. I really liked it. Does he had a nice studio The country is an old converted, cow barn. Any took in this Baldi said. Well, it was just a bunch of two inch tapes from his password uses,

go through any other stuff polarity putting you want from shells, and then you point if you boy open the something that you you want weird and in on that you think, might have some kind of might apply I too, the soundtrack then by all means saw that's it. I just kept taken too and takes up to shut off. And laid them, and I find some some slowly. Something down and pick out a melody, and so I suppose Peter with a whole bag of up things it or new to him, because I had changed the year The face of them might you? Where did him up? I would the money, but then you a huge record with them. After that he said. Well, what'd you stick around and make my song record. Gone was good we're getting somewhere getting somewhere Ok, I was that we went went often did to her.

Wretched, also in which had sledge hammer on it. In your eyes, you drunkard huge record for peace your guy you're, your big now you're it yet producer you're in man, the area I was My manager, the time was dragon myth, Reverie Office in New York and all the doors were open to me is the guided weird things up: it's working It's awesome man in anybody. I love that you still make time to like you, do your own work and also get up. Couple of John Hassle records in there. The other John has shown how hustler records are far out. I heard one of them somewhat recently, and I was really impressed with my goodness. We went deep thought. The fourth world music, like I don't know, did you do the one where there is one that give blew my phone mine when I was in college in, I guess it was bright. Eighty two but it was one of them. It was one were there there there was war,

are being yours, lapping, pygmy, yeah! That's right! You did their record Yemen did. I may add that changed my life, oh good like I had one those I was, it was a drug, Louis Astral, projection experience. I sit in my room, dorm room, listen and that through big speakers- and I left my body, oh good- but it will waters lapping thing like tat happened, and then we went to distance with it and pull out all the stops in any way great sound on Johns trumpet We are delighted about this, this harmonised or at the time, which is why we give it would these weird kind of who is really really really really exactly do without his tone was like that to begin with, because he will blow the trumpet heart he had found some with I very softly

any kept this little love this little indian tuning instrument right by him right now, little ten Bora I believe you and not on the record, was right by him, as is point of reference for pitch. Right and then I had a micro close and then on the we have this box calling AMOS harmonised and we we dug up a sounder, a fourth above so for every no, the Heap Lady head harmony up above him right now. That's my mind Van so glad. I made those record, sir, and she normal to me at the time, but when I heard it back recently how my goodness, we Germans like nothing like that, have yet to this day, yeah. Absolutely man just just great okay, so eat. The edge? He brings you back for Joshua Tree, and that was you and Brian again are mostly you.

That was membrane again, we decided to do tag teamwork, I did two weeks the two weeks now. Let me ask you a question personal question: now, not personal but it, but it struck me on with Turning to that record that that some of the melodies were were definitely either yours or Brien's, or both that day they didn't come with the band I think at that point they were appreciating the we We are able to have a musical input and dry work. I'm not saying we wrote the songs, rising briar, able to suggest among bought a direction that definitely felt like you guys bad bad bad enough here here by that's right. That's that's a very. Well, it's a celtic mildly, but it's also penniless melody.

The doktor to part of the. successful that record Amene once this, we're done. We did our own harmony singing- so who always Ino Edge and myself oh really yet because we didn't want to bring in any outside singers in on might have been better. things like a book, but we wanted keep it in house because a sum up, I think, people we feel that in house feeling in when you don't go outside of the immediate out of the ban and we were on room Mary members of the ban. At that point and rice we did all our own background, sing and- and I think the The soul of that record is partly due to that let us do urban world I'm looking for

look who for harmony singer, Marinos embracing yeah and there you go there's at that gospel layering, yet there his eye think that song I might, whispered, something in Banos here about a direction that you know how it might have been a little more soul, music driven. It was a territory that he had not visited before it come up as a punk band. So sure I've wanted to sound like an on the spot, records that I grew up with because Hamilton's Near Buffalo Detroit. So I heard all the Motown stuff common up as a kid, so that yeah, that was obviously part of my upbringing and part of my musical fibre, and so, I think I whispered something in his ear and was probably just something that was derived from The sole music time now, yes, I do I do want, as you could question the Robbie Robertson record- is that did he?

he sort of integrated if I remember that record comply with a bit and also I remember you had a long conversation Robbie that was a conscious effort to integrate so of his knee it is heritage in India, capture of that recording. We never talked about his native background as an tonality that should be in the record. We just got on with Robbie heard a whole bunch of science ready to roll when I brought him and then we recorded some of those, but new songs came along and I think that's where because I was very looking forward to working with ten because he was, The generation ahead of me in here girl of mine, because we drove in the same neck of the woods yet was was a trailblazer, went south and undiscovered alone about American me Zack and already to be in the arena with him, but I

He appreciated that he was working with a canadian Vienna. brought Canadian follow along with me here, bill, Dillon, the a great guitar from Hamilton, and so we had a little bit of, even though he was not working with his mates. the ban at that point We had a little many ban because he had me and he had buildings where the high Canadians were there in the trenches together, like nice. Here, I think I was able to get to certain places emotionally with Robbie that not suggesting that he had forgotten about that, but he was living in LOS Angeles, and thus we are just come in fresh from Canada. So we had that naive, searching spirit and so on. A guy. I woke up that part of Europe, the again and then we are able to get on with some other songs. You nodded fallen angel. For example, his mate had just passed

and there was no one thing it with Richard Manual- had tat had passed. So that's what fallen angel was about and were able to were they align emotionally and saw the year. I think the specifically native the tones ITALY we bumped into, but I think that the very like regional and quite concentrated the area where we came from, so I think that that damages an interesting emotional contribution to rob his work at that time yeah. I remember listening to it a lot at the time. Now. Let's talk about about about Dillon, that's because I recently listener o mercy a couple of times, not though first time and realize it was you and then I realized, like others, is the beginning of this thing with this guy. So no mercy. What was the understanding between you and Bob in terms of how he won that record to be? He had

stopped him to the steward when I was making a novel brothers record, whose touring in New Orleans and stop turning, we played in future action plan and he was an empty as with the setting cause we had built, some studio for the novels round the corner from from what are you? they differently with the nevilles that that they had not really because I don't know that record. While we rejoice either to just have a studio around ready, the from where they lived and built studio for them. It was not a commercial studio and I think they appreciated that it was block on happening, live in one room. We didn't have isolation and all then- and I think we ve got to very sorrowful place quite quickly, the novels and and we had cut blobs songs. We had cut down on our side in and I played him

a version of Gunnar Simon AIR, noble singing, very beautiful rendition, very powerful, emotionally and at the end of it Bob said that sounds like a record. The big complement from palm yeah and a plate of a couple of other things, and he said How should we work anyway? I say: what, we can do in New Orleans said when are you available says one velvet spring, which is three months away as they will come down? You don't have to bring a ban or anything just show up with your songs. You don't need any instruments or have a whole thanks set up or on this point Can I rented a new house specifically for the bomb record in New Orleans, in New Orleans, and it was very. Private setting which was set up in a kitchen written down

and I sat next to bargain with later guitars, in a hell of a role in a way which is a beat box like a little Hiphop it box here. So I didn't have a ban in the room which cut everything daddy Rollin aid await. I just felt that through a wedge in front of himself had a little bit of a single onstage feeling but it was very, was very private and I was determined to get centre of the record in a very strong position before having other people on it. I wanted the words bombs, vocal and the songs to be powerful and clear and so we concentrate on the roman aid, await Bob's play. the singing and my plan along with them, so less most of the record, just the two of us and then we added stuff. Really, so that the income experience very much so

I have visited Bob in his place prior to all this, to listen to some of the songs. Anyhow, he already had to Sancho most of the time that John kills me. That's the fuckin song and that record buddy, mutual, and I hear the agenda. It's interesting because, deep getting back to textual work, I over dubbed a quartet on that but would normally be a string quartet idea with for less Paul's huh for less Paul single, no performances than I played. my vocs had up to ten and so most of the clear focus of most of the almost plan are taken up the role of the cello, let's than the next one, by play, the role of the be all alone exponent be violin and then maybe controversies, and- and so what you here in the background, is

Texture is for less palm parts, sounds like string quartet, but its put its no enormously, but the advantage of fixed time, because we come to the role of NATO, Asia. Malta did to board almost an early hip, hop it really, and then we had Willie Green, no playgrounds with another brothers healing. Around the corner. So he came over and over doubly drums- most of the world, the world's greatest funk drummers now playing on most of the time, but because I had fixed time, is able to apply an echo So he here the drums, a sound ready haunting as in deep but kind a hip hop interesting on a song. That's not meant to be hip, hop at all role through heartbreaker,

and I offered up the base after while the less Paul trip in the dress. Ets amazing story, different good, front guitars or one less pall over dubbed overdose. Same less Paul was gonna here somewhere. It seems to me that the other record, the time out of mind Merkel, when I heard that not that was, I think, first time. I really acknowledged your new about you, and that you had brought. You know the sound to this thing. And yet when, when that after came out, I thought like will. This is The reason this is amazing is this guy, when why has figured out that this is the beginning of the tunnel for Bob hey he's move, when towards the light man. Well, at that time I had and today a Mexican at all Mexican theatre in Cinema House in Oxnard California, which is an hour north,

and so it where my shop was and Bob came down there to to do demos, ah undone That was the beginning of the time out of mind sounder but by I had met Bob in New York prior to that, but prior to a mercy me I ve been earlier in between the prior to him, come into the quantity out through the play an optional. and that's where Willie recorded to one there. That's correct. You am Emmylou to Emmylou, that's fine and then the soundtrack for sling blade was a great shop, and rightly so? Your new Orleans for how long too long fifteen years but that was where he drew out of a. We drew our creativity from that place in there. So you come too I started it was it was at the theatre that drew you entered. I mean there's nothing Great about Oxnard, yet is Mrs, was on the pch with a friend listing the records

and I saw Miss Cinema for Lease- looks pretty good so obviously an old population of closer for allowing and we we looked up to you and the owner in the sentiment. I said we rented that place. I was there for about five years. prior to that a bomb had, played me, had read me all the lyrics to time on a mine in a hotel room in New York and I didn't hear note: please read the lyrics. Ah, he said when you think Daniel have we got a record. I said yeah, that's what he said the wreckers. I want you to listen to any aim at much more blues records to listen to some of them. Others already familiar with like what

little Walter, Charlie Patten, all the way back all requisite. He was very fond of in the way that they had a sum of urgency in them, and there was not a bunch of studios. Trickery and I listened at ease Courage and I went to a friend of mine place, fellow twenty men, Gurion in New York and he's drummer and I play but of the progression in droves, myself we overdone on top of these records is played along with them, and then we took the records away and just listen to our toppings in the toppings head, similar group, so things I have tried to dump pricked up. We shows the best aid bars here. He asked the bars, therefore, and we made loop I knew that bothers about

to make our blues base record, and I didn't want to be. The problem will make an blues. Mason It is you might sound like a bar banned the lodgings. had already been done with the blues, so I tried want to have his right tricky. Anyone can play it. Well, it's if you could hit the tar pit pretty quick when in the blues, if you don't get it right, so I I came in with these prepare lutz, we did time out of mine as an inch Church policy that, if things gotta, well to regular love to normal. I could pull out the loops and ass their drummers to play along with the loop, so time out of mine has loops in it that that Calvin and Brian Blade played along with ha. It just felt them fell to me like the shift in his was not too much. Invention, buddy was sort of some kind of weird profound the acknowledgement of his mortality to me,

I felt that when you read the lyrics, I felt an idea. Loser in other is deep, deep, Melanie molly and almost sadness and maybe even regret in there that it was just so it was dripping in in in history, he has his own history and I thought what this could barely somethin. You know it would save a great record exit so interesting. You say that about the booze, because I like to play boys myself, but you realize that, like this is a great music by anyone can do it in any one. Can do it? Okay, it out. So you know what do you do with? It is traditional but at this point you known, as are we two the term I like, you will have to fly over, whose ness average blues, because I didn't want to make choices something regular, the Bob sing and on top of sir, but he

the wisdom to bring in Oggie Myers and Jim Dickinson too great keyboard players are obvious from my eyes more tax mix. It does that back, be don't do that, deaf to me, I just a humble organ through a super reverb here and it's not that stabbing sound yeah and Dickinson from Memphis was, he was in a whole other dimension, because it is a very advance, almost org stroll player in with that kind of knowledge, so he was able to supply us with these cascading celestial complex more sounds any point in that theatre today. That's all other instrument to add that. Well we did the demos in the theater, but we cut most in Miami. Ok, why Miami? I had the best piano sounded at the theatre, in my beautiful steinway being rebuilt and bombs on a great on

Limburg came in when they sit down. It just came to me the time We need to record in Miami in Miami what about How much is two a year? You should know that we got to go to Miami, so we packed up all this shit and drove truck load full of instruments and equipment to Miami, and we recorded the bulk of the criteria and my him then came back to Finish Oxnard Why do you want to go to my? Am I dont know? I wasn't. But a question only managed to get away from his kids or someone who can argue with his Let me to go to Miami. I guess we're going to Miami but my Miami right, but I like I got like the studio Miami. They were are accommodating people and Bob doesn't like the disks anything in front of the ban. So we park a lot and decide what the approach would be on the neck songs. I liked our

gathering early get together in the parking lot we talked about standing in the doorway, a like a fool, little melody that provide a bomb. with danger. Got you but one, and I said the buyers with love the groove on sad, I, lady of the lowlands, in our Bob and I want to go back to what you did before, but I gotta tell you that has always touch me is: as the time signature and as as a pedestal for lyric. Inside he's. Ok, well, I think we can cut in and that six four so he went in after the parking lot discussion. We went in and cut it. That little melody solo promising a love letter. So it seems like You guys have you had a pretty good thing gone. You only get so much above time.

You got it. You got a roller fast, really had a big man was eleven people and in the room I can be good or bad. You know you got a lot of sound fast, but if it goes wrong, then you know hold your heart is a hardship to re redirect so its lights. It. Let's talk about like more specifically now before we wrap up is that it seems that you're solo stuff, you can't you, you gonna, go all round a little bit. Well, you know I have I love. I have brought taste enter it. I like solo, steel, guitar and have done some some instrumental that I stand by the job stuff. And the dove stuff. You know my studio, experimentations they never stoppin and that we need ensnares when I got that nose like what's this about mandate was doing this and unlike what is this, what going on here, who are the violation, Snares Evan,

snares record. I love the women. Two problems of a double alum, and I think this summer, so my best sites work hum yeah, but also has a greater canadian artists from from West eyes away in a way we in durban- hit it off in an off we when it is very very far, out in the end, related to play. To borrow. He said why didn't you do than you played runner with this? I said that nobody caught me you provide as it is a scam, guy get get you some soundtrack work, but there the tracks you got scent is this from a new body of works under the name, Galileo, latin vibe to it got a latin vibe to earth and russian. The record is I always into some some guy I will turn out to you that I like a lot lot,

it harmony singing on the routes on very please above x I hadn't ready done for part harmony for a long time, so dull, great disregard for heavy some have we got a single criminal January called power, and so I think you like that I'll have to send you the whole album mark once after we hang up here you so that be great man until hand and your health, so gay you feel no right. I know you got no rack. Awhile figures, man, my head on a more cycle crash, no labour mom good thanks for asking yeah, got diamond, I broke ten bones yeah. She would wish Hereupon anyone get I'm good thanks for asking I've moved into some piano work plan more piano. Now that I have sought Margaret Medicine, who I work with she likes me Vienna places. Why aren't you make a piano record and love your church in your sound? So over the holidays. Here, that's what I'm doing up here in Toronto. I got my hat

a nice pianos my apartment and some nice ones, the studio saw them have a piano record, come on, let's go The songs are always there, the music as always there. It never stops and is bleeding together more than ever mark another. We mobility produce anger. You make us all a record. Well, it's all intertwined. Now, Anne S, words right about the modern world. We can do things spontaneously and have them commodity Ivan vented this little banner that I'm an operator underfunded for years, called the maker series and whatever I do, will come out under that heading and what label it's gonna be he won Gerardo One, nice people Doing everything to draw. The right now feels condemnation. Your whole man m, gonna, surrounded by people. I admire work with Wayne, Lorens

copper producer in all the new work and an old friend may stands by me. What's up with me and you know it he's driven by the right values and it's nice to be reminded of that. No matter what goes on in my life, I wanna be driven by the right values on which our, why music excellence trying like masterpieces and don't let anything slip on through because from camp in Dutch industry pressure or anything like that or areas of trend, pressure or anything whatever we touch, we try and have it be the very best we can do that again, back to INA you're, never going to do something. You don't wanna, do again, as right man, HOPI Hauser with you. You know you you ve done. but things and I'm not doing Adriana wanna do agree. I may sometimes are not even doing things I kind of want to do

may I take it as a compliment. If, if you choose to people you like them appropriate which I appreciate you asking questions about me, my child and everything we should have said more about you marked out. Ok, I talk about me all the time to analyse in order to talk DNA, it's great to meet you, I'm a big fan of, as always, but if you know enchanted by your work with yourself. from with others in and they die point for me. Was that John Hassle moment buddy I mean that was going to go into my house and listen that fuckin record right now, get high without drugs exactly take care, it is our mouths great talk. India. Thank you mark the gay! Ah, you know stories YO and stories. Vano AIDS that guy man he's he's here. The real thing in his own thing love it Daniel memoir. as the new album

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