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Episode 1198 - Stanley Tucci

2021-02-04 | 🔗

Stanley Tucci is fortunate that he broke into the mainstream with his movie Big Night because it combined two of the things he loves the most: acting and food. Stanley talks with Marc about the comfort he gets from cooking and the satisfaction he gets from a good performance. They discuss his extensive career, including The Devil Wears Prada, Spotlight, Murder One, and his new film Supernova, in which his longtime friendship with Colin Firth paid off.

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The guy all right. Let's do this, how are you at the fuckers what the fuck bodies, what the Burka Hall Lex? What is happening, how's it going where we act. round and round we go ground they came and went, and you know what It was no surprise I therefore think it about the movie fuckin giving it right. I do, Sir about the candidates Groundhog Day and you like, yeah no kidding. So as yesterday. those last week so is the, before yesterday that lasted a week, so is there two weeks ago that lasted a year. I don't have any sense of time has again people yard Stanley too. She is on the show today, Stanley. To achieve,
you know you know Stanley duty from big night delawares Prada the lovely bones using spotlight he's a new film called a supernova with common Firth that I watched and dad Stanley Tucci. I wish I was happy to talk to him. That being said, part of the the weirdness there's a few things that are going on. For me, I mean I again, I'm fortunate and grateful that I'm living in a certain amount of comfort that many people cannot have. Or don't have and there's a lot of anxiety, pain, fear, destitution, desperation, discomfort, sickness the entire spectrum of a horrible humanity and it can happen to people are happening, and I am grateful and are lucky two to have a certain amount of comfort in this time, but the repetition of everything in the the lack of rights, Relief from the cycle is a little tricky an hour
talking about it with my friend Megan today a bow. You know it's because what do you have to look forward to I mean before even in your life, even if your life was going swell at least you could think like. Well, three weeks I'm gonna go take a trip. visit my mom, I'm wrong. We're going out of town from my birthday. We're gonna spend the weak, and here we know it at that meeting in a week and stuff. Now everything is confined to your desktop to your computer, to zoom no one's really travelling that much. Some people are, but it's not without a tremendous amount of anxiety and an protocols and nothing casual about anything and theirs. just none of those things those markers yogurt they come and go. People come and go to the EU Its everything is happening that happens in life, but now it's in this vacuum of isolation and and and pandemic and plague and its tricky, because the repetition
becomes tricky the patterns become tricky. in the sense that you do and can feel like you're losing your fucking mind I end its uncomfortable. and I d look I'm in show business and it's fuckin bizarre, because there are times when I'm what are we doing? What are we just? What are we doing Is anybody watching any of this? I mean you. I did it tonight show a while back from my backyard and yesterday I did the tamarind Hall show from my dining room and my production values on my I e g live are the same as major network television shows in everyone's adapting granted. There's some part of entertainment that fortifies denial than theirs it's it's a relief. You know it's like please entertain me, get me out of this, get me out of
but I'm feeling get me out of every day being the same. Get me out of this panic and feed you're, getting covert, get me out of my financial, crisis out of the possible my hopelessness, please, thirteen me out of this fucking darkness. That's a tall order, there. Is this weird consistency to things like. I have conversations with management about movies and about tv ideas about taking meetings with the network. Executives and there's party. That's why what the fuck is? He putting there's nothing happening granted a few things are shooting their protocols in place, but it's like why? What it almost feels like were lying to ourselves yet We can come out of this in reckon with it. That will remember it that will shift our our priorities. That will change our perception of how we, we have light than what we have to do in the future on so many levels agreed in view of what we're going through now, our are just vestiges of an old way of life that seem sad in
The golden globe seem sad and empty nominee for critics choice, which is very exciting, but the award shows it's almost like or just acting. Therefore going through the motions through the motions of what sort of defined are our sense of information and entertainment before cove it and it's sad a lot of it. It's hard for me not to to see a lot of words in your going on the machinations of a business of sort of getting back to work stuff that just a few. Those kind of you know like out of ouch and sad and desperate, but I'm in it. I mean it, I enjoyed getting up early, Do the chairman, who showed a dual live segment as a performer about podcasting on television, it's what I used to do I mean if it had been the real the real world that we used to know. I would fly to New York. I would get to the studio,
I get here and make up the place would be buzzing. There'd be snacks I'd The producer come after me and a guy with a might come up to me. Everything would be lit and on fire, not literally on fire budgets. Jacked up an audience would be excited. He just all the that fixed years of show business all the the Those in whistles are going and yet many shut, set up and get out there and you entertain. You give people jolt in the morning. Aside morning, radio or anything else in more entertainment, but now this what a vacuum of it faces on the screens, the hosting empty studio. You can hear the fucking footsteps, weighting of her work, talking to the to the podium, and and then turning on the juice and getting a going and then cutting to me in my living room, hoping my cat and interrupt the thing, hoping that my signal stays live you're, hoping that
I don't. U. I look into the right camera very bad at that, but that's the adaptation I gotta make before I would have been there an hour and a half early getting here make up getting might looking at the other guess meeting at a guess, seeing my management team, everybody, a buzz food doughnuts swag bag. now. I was literally embed twenty minutes before I put some clothes on. I checked my hair, and I said well- that's good enough- not like good I'll put it. Jacket on this good enough. Tat show business that entertainment. Follow by crying. But maybe I'm being too dark, maybe ambient negative. Maybe we need it because repetition of patterns, the landing back. We started every day, the strange drift of time than knowing how much time has passed it,
concern me the human nature right now because of how jacked we are and how symbol we are with the pace of technology that we hold in our hands with the pace of images lying by with the pace of how we get information is that we hold on two things long enough and that were willing to let things disappear quickly. Things just get churned under just into this the undertow. The tidal wave of garbage Jim formation, there's no way to prioritize things and get sucked in the past, so far gets dragged out so far something. Portance, something you should hang onto other some get sucked into the undertone its miles out miles out unable to to wade, unable to paddle, unable to stay afloat and adjust disappears, this appears behind a wall of informing can garbage we gotta figure out what to hold on
to and how to hold onto it again. What's important What is vital what is connected now and I think we all miss just being around people casually. Without doubt just seeing eyes: Above a mask, indifferent sort of frequencies of panic and anger and fear, earn discomfort and sadness, desperation just eyes above masks, peering out for connection thrust. Man hang on, you know hang on one thing: that's happened over the past years at TAT, we ve all reevaluated how we spend our time and and and
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and that was the that was the way it landed. You're like I'm leaving, I live there, yeah kind I mean. She came and lived with me? Am I it's. My first wife passed away. Eleven years ago. So we three kids in them, and then that felicity? aunt. Em she came and thus for two years and then we can we decided to move here when the kids were The twins are twenty one now, so they were. Retain and the other one is eleven but you're living. Where upstate. Where were you in the area? We know we were Westchester you day now. Do you want a restaurant there right act kinder and then I. I owned it, but I didn't really have. I was a small owner in it, but unfortunately it had. My name is but weren't. You advised that that was not a great thing to do
now. I saw no advisement. It's done it's like. I don't know why we all have dreams of owning. Restaurants was your dream that you would give stop NBA they Stanley? Yes, yes, and that do not be able to throw a sandwich together there have parties is a friend of mine was a chef who says it in another. Fellow who is a dear friend who, eight I'm here was his money really and right and it was ended up being didn't. I was around a lot either because I had to go. I was away working and it was. It was just a disaster. I've got involved, certainly not good, I wish I had might have been successful, You grew up in that area. The right am, I did some research on you, ain't molest, nice in Westchester, right yeah. I grew up in Qatar
the great place to grow up, you. Don't know that when you were a kid, but now you know in India folks, you ip they were just with what they do for eleven night Davison, our teacher, at the high school in a couple towns. Just South Chappaqua High School was a very wealthy area, so you don't Horace Greeley, the eggs ethic. Might you know, went there my first girlfriend Wentworth, really what and who else went there Pieper, the director. You know the directive really, I do know, then they grew up and she had my girlfriend groping Chappaqua. She went to Horace Greeley. So, like that's part of my past brought by her, so what are we talking about? Did so probably graduated high school in eighty two, eighty three, eighty two, eighty three would you dad I've been there? Actually he would have yes have been closed to retiring and, if you what's your name, my father remembers at the age of ninety. He remembers everyone her
at that time was Sarah Reuben. Here he never lighter. Yeah, I got it came up in the early new stuff. I got a shortlist of students that were terrible and I don't know- the bird was. He taught our aid and the eight hour day, Archer private, brilliant, brilliant guy, my dad it was he a painter Edgar sculptor culling refer jewelry her pottery everything really. everything, taught mechanical drawing everything and your mom was. By not worked in the office as an assistant to the principal at the school is while he I could have easily been a professional Jeff having are not, arguably, I made one of the greatest cooks: I've ever ever ever not because she's my mother right But-
the more you travel and then You come back and nutritious food. You go ass, she does really. Where did now. Where did you learn a day like first generation the two of em ass? She learned from her mother, so they were born. My parents were born in America her parents were born ITALY in my dad's friend, and she learned from from her long so that where you got your love of yeah and she really became, then an auto didactic. She really just all she read was read out work of books and she taught herself. I love it. I I fucking love cooking when I'm especially lately. I my mother was a terrible cook awful So I'm sorry that was not was incapable really and death had still does a manageable eating disorders, also always age. While she was it thought it don't get to concern. She's, ok, she's healthy, but a sheep resented food.
But, as I got older you, I had a professor who I taught me who you not in, wasn't that class, but here we became friendly there? You can just learn how to cook can do that. And- and I love to do it and it's weird what I'm cooking now I can I've got this smoker, like a suburban motor, oh wow, and I I smoked like I'm doing jus food because I'm a Jew, I smoked, I am a smoker, my own fish really yeah what yeah what about what kind of fish I smoke some sturgeon. Yesterday, I briand it a dry branded in salt garlic powder and sugar, let it sit over night now smoked, if I for five hours, basted it with honey, put some paprika on it, killed it and ate it this morning, for breakfast with some beats,
The horse rash, like a Jew man, that's pretty jewish yeah me pickled. Some onions I made kasza varnish gives the other night lines what the fuck you already live in Kiev, for some boy. What was maybe my heart made us? What yes wow! I love that I made it with schmaltz. Lastly, I will yak that's all I render the schmaltz from a bone broth. I was making and I made the fuckin kasza which mouth and now I gotta get nine pound in four days whose hers What do you want what are you go to your a cook? What are you? U right, cookbook! So why you're feeling bad anyone each your feelings? What are you? What do you do? I comfort. You know I was once a lot of plaster past the varying varying forms, I am I like pastor with really simple,
pass them on the other, pastor wiz, tuna and tomato right resolution, with lots of onions, super sweet, delicious past with peace and tomato carbon era. I love, which I learned how to make properly. What I'm doing this television show. Fear last year and and pass it today are made faster with Connally beans care kill ya, a little bit of tomato and some chicken broth. It's like the Pacific, Yola Serbia, but either I even lower in practically every day it only homemade foster you buy it now. I we occasionally may homemade passive, but normally inshore, well yeah with too little kids and the thing now they want to make up like shaped in animals
give you a la mature China. Yes, They are allowed to use a visa, want jolly good for you there good for Different right, you could use the for the other. Why punch at no great, not knowing its clarity is fine, but once you have gone Charlie, it's like it's completely elevated type. What he said. How is that so different tasty? Well, you know, is the general and its also the way in the way it cured and that the extra sort of of the of the sky in, and the pepper others put put on top, which is the way you should make governor with that one, one child, but it seems like it's not easy to find his pension nano. Is it's not easy to find, I mean not the internet, it's actually easier than
used other sent you gotta get you got like before the internet. You have yet to have gone. Charlie guy we're gonna die area. Just like your own gunshot. That's a time. Can it is better to have a guy then everything about cooking in like he like specially now lay you never lived here, though, did you know like when I decided when I get obsessed with a dish. I was dating a woman who years ago who It will contain a kilometer John, so I got bigger ahead. Do a correctly writer, and I don't even if she ever had it would launch alibi to go find one Charlie, in LOS Angeles, were turned out was not easy. We do not know there's not. I found this every time. I've spent time, in LOS Angeles, a huge number of italian, now I mean up north. There are more That's true, because it rightly emphasised time and the idea my very quite different and all the while entry, and that Europe is very gently, walked away. It was like when I
started going there Four hundred years ago I was like you know, Where are the Italian Delhi's? Nothing, not now these are the ones that are here. Aren't even that good. You know it's amazing for italian food and Talons Delhi New Jersey. Oh yes! Yes, I am see. I have spent a lot time in New Jersey, but yes, it's a huge, huge italian american population. Back in the day used, be I just driving down the highway, like you think that italian places any good worsted in New Jersey, way. Where are you from I grab my I'm sure? ethically new Jersey I grew up in New Mexico, mostly, but my parents, above from Jersey, my family, there, I'll Jersey, judges, but you grow their New Mexico from yeah right. You know third grade through Highschool, allow Albuquerque you're shoot now, working I have ya, which one I am a shot myself and other groups too. I, oh yeah, you know I've Kitty S don't well, it was there was
It was a tough yeah, we'll watch out there I spent a week where one night it exactly Now it was never. There were some nice places, but I was a movie I did with them. Commissioner andor. Nathan, Lane swing vote. Eurostat can albuquerque you and yes, but then we ended up moving outside this nice little hotel. Desert NEA, had beautiful view the mountains, and it was quite a prettier. It's pretty. It's britney gets a bad reputation, got a little beat up over time. Wait till the first, the big movie like the first time. I remember hearing about you in a big way, was the air, the big night movie with all your based and you did that with care. What's gotten right and you guys you talk to him. I've jobs gamble for a long time. No, but we went to high school together in an catana nowhere. So we went to John Jay and sell Salem, so you got
you hang out at his house, he hangs out a Europe with joy was Georgie Scott there. No, he was not. There are coming. Do her was a recall it? Yes did you act in high school, yes Campbell and I acted in high school together and I loved you. I mean I really loved it where it is really cool guy. Who was right from the Gekko yeah. He used this wonderful teacher who was he was the muse teacher he was it all he was there round. The corner seats did the plays it. Was this really wonderful guy who lived in Manhattan and commuted to to Western Harvey day. He did the opposite of what everybody else did and he was very sophisticated, really really lovely guy. You know we didn't rosing prancing guildenstern or dead at our high school. I meanwhile there David He was the inspiration he was just
really good at that time, you NOS nineteen, seventeen she could go there was there was an open plan school like most of the Warren Westchester allowed, the more or less and so you know you walked outside all the time from first class building the building, and you have it's beautiful figure in the school, but then there was an annex which was his domain, the annex for just a separate cool building were This one room where you did quite, in practice. Are you audition? for play their new practice place you he did acting, class need bring. People invalid community who had been in show business and have time ass in the sky, was like amazing, isn't grazing amazing like when you think back on that that vat guy, just one teacher, in your life in your high school, who probably change the entire course.
If your life it completely and outside the thing that makes me sad now is it. If we just look at the architecture of the school there were an openness to it. but there is also an openness to the curriculum until she answered teaching at my father will test this having been and our teacher that Ah, so much of that has disappeared. Yeah. That's really unfortunate. I visited the school. both times my and it was frankly, because they basically enclosed the school so there was a physical manifestation of what was happening educationally. And I found the right to present what sad, United sad what's happened: education in general, but I imagine you on this seven days, you're everything that was coming in and not only was more a liberal cold.
Sure, but I mean there was a lot of things changing in approaches to education, the theatre to film, to everything. If, if that guy's down in New York and he's coming up in these, bring in all these new ideas, it must have been exciting and indeed to be in high school at times. Your brain is just opening up in the early seventies, it must have been just mind boiling, it was It was fantastic like where my dad chives is really great school, and you know they had a film where they were part of the fires in their annual rescission this enough, but they had a smoking area. This is weird for they had a smoking area. Yes, do yes right outside the art room right through of dubious now is it I cannot reply to this the citizen research and come out in the nineteen, fifty susie. I think but it was his eight and I think that schools- because you can smoke at my high school outside and
I think there are just like we're not going to stop him, you how we can Stop what everybody everybody fucking, to everybody. I loved it, I'm so happy, I don't I. I don't miss cigarettes, but I was on nicotine untold just a year or so ago. They, I was died, I really am, though I do they gum in the loss. Hinges I just loved digital patch thing August. I wanted to feel the high. I did that I've been on not the patch, but I like the lozenges there, like nicotine candy. So really did you smoke, I said, but I was never devoted, I have something I like it Take her leave it wasn't there. Thinking that you can't take our leave. That was like a problem exercise I'm not kidding that sounds funny exercise and done martinis the Martine I like martinis impostor, so
Did you moved to New York City to start the career I mean? Did you went to school? You D College ended the acting here, which I made. I didn't really go far away to Soulier purchased witches she is really the state university art because you know is affordable and it was a could serve a true one of them that's programmes and in the car three because, like us, It's been serving as an addition to get an. They took thirty students per per year. You were in what is called a company He stayed in that company for four years the same teacher. Much I'm not so sure was a great idea, but luckily I had a brilliant teacher so that, with that fine, a guy named George Morrison used to there is one of the original. city people and he ended up having a school with parcels, and my tackles
New York after he left purchase really might Nicholls did their work with MIKE Nicholls. No Oh I didn't, and but I knew might nickels and he had asked me to do a few things and I couldn't do them and I was heart broken because he is. It was one director I want to work with. It was my devils, but Zack I have is the timing of things that wasn't quite rider right, but I got to Know- and I was sir- even more enamored at once. I met him. What was your first real gig? I guess I was cast I don't remember, I did like some commercial things are a little thing, I've, Broadway or something, but then I didn't like him. I am advice I think was the first really thing I ever did on television like just playing I would just like to scenes. I hadn't really experienced America Third, I shot there.
a few days was really weird and that I am going back. Play is another rulers of mafia zone, then I started to allow a tv stuff and little roles and movies, and you know how it goes: the losers here that Europe, like you, get out of a little bit and pretty honor. He ever this. Actually true, because I was for some one line, but it ended up going to him. A friend of Jack Nicholson's so, I was in a glorified extra but you're on the set. I was on the SAT with John Houston with John used in who I think the point was so old enough: yeah If so, it sort of amazing the career you ve had in how many a recognisable you are and how much like I feel like I've known you, since I was a kid I feel like we grew up together. Very is again, you know
haunting me, but it's interesting. The kind of career the you have is a career of a guy that works. Then you know what I mean here and like when you got into the racket and we won your plan, what did you think you were gonna be doing primarily theatre? What were you thinking as an actor door or that you just wanted to do stuff? I just want to work, and I I really just once a work doing at all. At a time when I started so one thousand nine hundred and eighty two I got out of college you know there was that vote a fair division between Retainer actor Europe, television, actor Europe, Film ACT. and unfortunate division It was a snubbiness to re, I was it was weird. It was weird and the wrong Now all disappear. Thank God, but you know. the British never did that. British always went back and forth you didn t
you're gonna play into the buggy anyone back into the silent lover. Agent, radio play it just jealous mom, it's a smaller businesses, small business, but it's a healthier business. sure now I think America is finally and it was it was. It was HBO that really changed everything, YO today once they started doing their original films. their became this. This cross, you know it's not tv, its HBO, but it actually is tv, but it's really cool. They were putting money into projects in casting people Who wants huge movie stars in movies of significance to them are taking scripts than that. that studios wouldn't buy. They would make them into movies and I'm really fucking good, and I think that James, the landscape and at that
why we have what we have now, which I think is arising much healthier landscape, but it seems like you, are always sorted, Viking moving back and forth. with between our because I had to work, you know I had to make money, and also I wasn't a leading man. I was an actor, were you ever? Did point about the veto, I'd give anything to look like Marshall, industrial neighbours. Dinner ass, never gets happen, I love to look like Ryan Reynolds. that's happening here That you accept he had to accept. You have to make do with what you have murder. One was short of a big deal right, yet there was a big deal puts on the map in some ways. Yes, I guess I did. I did it because I thought it was really cool but of course I've never goes gonna happen. It was very unusual structure
it says here so that we know now very well, but what Stephen did at the time people like we'd love to sharpen away watched it, but it if coincided with me doing them big night and. And the tourism sort of it came out at the same time you know it was. It did shiftings significantly from me, but then light show businesses. It goes like yeah what I mean. It's good, that you take that in the EU. Now you ve worked with a lot of the lot of great directors. I have been very lucky, I mean you know when you look at it like even worthy with Alan cooler knowing the Pollack embryonic embrace, like that, was it yeah. I was so excited to work for them
You ve made some of these. I kind of films- and I grew up with having predominantly rather man is still arguably one of the greatest american movies. Aramis, oh yeah great, and it hurts acts view I think he did it in a stronger two. I got to know Redford through through through Sundance, and I was to go and advise at them lab and everything- and I told them like that is it's just why and heat you know. He produced the movie to your having one of the greatest movies ever made still holds. and I watched it yeah I want all the time watch he recently to its great its extraordinary those shots. He has that shot with Redford. Where he's talking on the phone and The camera pushes, in its time, did once its of five and a half to six minutes shop and really here
and you don't even The brilliance of our proposal was you had no idea. the camera- was even moving and it was going with us. I think who shouted so so a canvas just push them before. You know it the zoo is talking on the fucking telephone right and It is so compelling and then it's over, and you realize that a solid six minutes that you ve watched, and you end up here from their way back here so cool I thought that the movie that urine- and you were great in with that spotlight movie- which I watch- I love- that movie- will that's a similar type, a movie. It cause it it's one of these things were you're you're unfolding. Insidious conspiracy and the Action is really about the characters in the world. of the unfolded, the unfolding right like it it's inaction movie.
Your character was so great. That was such a great role for you. I was so honor to be asked to do it. I love TAT, Mccarthy, yeah, I think so. Towns didn't, I know a little bit and when he asked me, if I read it, I said. Oh, my god, yeah. I know that's one of those movies for your, like you, he'll. Do whatever you can t, do it they don't they don't even have to pay. It doesn't matter you ever used in yet and that part, was so great yet it is that they they the kind the aggravation then this sort of acceptance of of of the plodding work of it guys were who is up against all odds continues on any still at it is still doing. What's his name the real Gay Mitchell, Gara Video and I did not pay them before visibly suggested that I'm not meet him. This is quite contentious
had at one point: there is so they were like where we think it might suit us. We don't know what's happening and I was April. Why would you do that? His basically like the hero of the film in away, and then he saw the movie and he loved her Am I met him briefly at the premier and he was so nice and we talk. Found a couple times and you don't you he's really fast, extraordinary person who does That's all trusting that he was. He didn't trust me yet that why woody, but that's why woody? Why Why would you trust Hollywood right? I don't yeah You weren't concerned in that part, like your version of him, was your version yeah I did what I could too
yeah I. What I did was. I was able to find some stuff. you two of him and your own news reports, and things like that. So I was able to use that and then, but not- It also is hard to if you're doing an accident, any kind of example, a Boston I send it out, there's a trick Is tricky and you don't want to go too far, so I tried to just poet back alone, because sometimes, if you do it, even people who have Boston accents, you go come on pullup, take it easy. Don't you do at Damon. Stop it you son, when you do you work with a dialect coach generally if in five c older than I need it, yes I tried to do one thing a thing here, like a year after more cheerful afforded to which MRS Series for
Sky Atlantic. and it was really interesting. and I did it because it is a wonderful role, but also there was so. The gradual set great danger. Actors and Michael Gamble. arguably like one life, my favorite actors ever here, so I was like yes, yes, yes and The carriage was written a Scottish, so Ok I'll, give it a shot. So I asked there's some directives coming home. I think I had that briefly, but was event she's brilliant we know in friends in common and my sister, nor were there and so she comes over to my house. We start to read through it. We were, for twenty minutes, and I go terrible idea. She goes
ok. So then I have to call the produces ago. I think look I tried this, I'm sorry, I don't my compromise. The show my career, so I maybe let's just your british and then I couldn't figure out what kind of british to do so I was like you know what I think he's american and they went yes, I think that's fine, I thank you and thank you to celebrate Gaza rating for tax. Actually, why did we come to this guy? In the first place, he had tat like Sir scary man, yes Gary and saw them it's fine, some of them. It's easy, and others. I remembered Matt Damon saying that the even when he did Invictus, There was one of the hardest style. I see city work. six months or more South Africa, yes, which is incredibly
I find stuff like that. Incredibly difficult australian someone someone suggested in the movie, the there were like origins, Could you be Australia, and I was like Dope Y know get a given born Australian yeah. But now what's most challenging. What do you think you pulled off oddly enough alone times, an italian action is hard. because there's a lot of variations within it, because a giant as so many different dialects and yeah pronunciation of words. Things like that so there are times. Even when I hear my own italian accent I go. I go now. Is a bag How do you feel about doing stage work? Do you? It doesn't seem like you do a ton of it, but you enjoy it
yeah I haven't done it says I directed play about seven years ago, nine years ago on Broadway that I'll love love that experience prior to that, I had done a lot the theatre. The last budget was frankly and Johnny Undeclared room, and it just kill me in every way yeah? And after that I didn't have a great I was there, you're too many reasons why it almost killed me, but I I no longer longed to go on I got one after that, strange because of the very lucky enough to be offered a lot of you now great rose here in England in an American, but I dont have
yearning as much as I used to what makes a challenging. Well, I think If I can do a short run, that's fine I feel like after you ve done a play You ever has to play you open up. You do like five weeks. after five. We I think you want to leave a play on and in hell I always see actively, plays on an exhausted exhale and and I can see that in performances offer sure We I mean, I can't imagine doing it every day. Matt Nancy Ellen about eight shows a week through it Brutal people think I'm worth three hours and whenever two hours- and you start by three o clock in the afternoon, your mind is going to your performance right right, you go by the time you go to sleep
one o clock in the morning you sleep until ten. Otherwise you work out or wherever and then do your business and see your kids and do whatever. But the thing you never see your kids you don't have dinner with them. You can take them. It's for you can put him to bed had not wake up with them in the morning, so I did just eat your entire yeah and people think, I suppose so regular lifestyles like it's the opposite of of a normal lifestyle? More almost more more that film, oh! No! I found what, but what with filmy most of the time you're sitting around waiting for lighting. He's going. Then you know here, you don't have you it once you get the hang of it. I don't know what you're processes, but you know you kind of memorize yo seem for. the inner day. By day I mean with with a play
you gotta cram all that shit nearby, writing a snare. It is their once there is there then, but I I believe that after five weeks, people start inventing things simply to invent. Things either lose entertained themselves? the people there blank opposite or they just start going. You know what I think get a laugh this? If I do this won't stand, throws off the whole balance of the thing. I think if you dont like them, real of it every night Do you not a media? Can Y got who died to David Harbour. I David Harbour. I talked in E. He said when the funniest thing about, like you know that the panic university
where you go. I've read, I think you know your life, they answer. He says he's five seconds before he goes out stage. Is someone give me a fucking script? I still dreams. I have dreams yeah I had when the other write about, going on stage and not knowing my lies at not like I'm not dressed properly, just pathetic still still, my god, it's hunting? but I know I'll do it again. I want to do it again. It just has to be the right circumstances. Now, I watch the I what the new movie supernova, oh, oh, and I enjoyed it was very. It was heavy yeah. Do you know column really? Well, we know each other. For twenty years a really see guys we're friends going into the swamp Toyota. I asked him to do it
The directive should be the script. I loved it, I thought well, the only. Person. I can think of of the appropriate age who's, a brilliant actor, and what am I plus is color, so I I slipped it to him and it really does, my god, it's beautiful. I said I now and then we'll get it. Then we switched roles I was forced to play the role he is possible, my role and then- yeah then at one point com concert stand. I think we should We should switch, and I said you know I've been thinking. The same thing has everytime. I read it. I was like a dozen Something doesn't feel right. The visit, I don't know I feel like
I'm more comfortable sane and caused the wonder, brought it up anyway, We told Harry this poor director who locked it s like Have I made a huge mistake: is too old they soon after cockers coming here. We want to switch rules. By the way, and what did he say now? He said he all right. Well, let's read it both ways so we did just a few things is very evident. We eventually audition for Harry for the opposite roles. So you you play a couple and you are in the big in stages of Alzheimer's guess what there is little even more either more say, only answer ourselves early onto Alzheimer. So what did you do to prepare for that?
As an actor, how did you define because, like I think, what was most interesting about your characterisation of of that was the fight against it that either ride? You know that that occurs. When somebody is because you are much further along then even you you lead. onto the audience of me. Watch you don't really know Our along you are until he looks at you. Writing. Riah that's the beauty of hers. Script domain! If it's all there in the writing real and then Harry gave me his research and I watched documentaries and red stuff about remembered the doktor who work with people. And that was all I needed What what did you focus on the sort of drive the way your brain, would work in the role I mean. How did you do that for yourself, Is really about
Yes about absence! Really, as we all get older, you walk into the pantry or you walk into the water. A room and you go right. Why did I walked into this room right now, just eight that an expanded? What a terrible feeling yeah, but they lost their suddenly you're. Looking at someone or you're looking at this a particular kind of earlier, were it affects The way you see if you look at a piece of paper with writing on it, you can discern. That writing is so you have to figure out. yet so it so sad and brutal and, like I don't know yet They give away that this sort of turn in the film, but I guess so you know for you.
guys you play a couple: I mean with all those years of friendship I mean it must have been interesting in terms of getting closer. Yes, it was it was there wasn't what we expected in? What sense I mean you guys are both straight guys here and you know it sort of like a power, we're gonna, where you kiss a little bit, but you know you feel safe for that person right. But, as you know, the vizir like that you're. Best friend. Wonder your best friends and your willing, yeah, I believe, is there is more here suit than I expected, but yeah and ended deliberative Bree closer or were you definitely a break? Did you bring out other now dazzling brought us closer we're close already, and then it just brought closer. What's it a sort of a beautiful movie. I've seen a couple of films lately that kind of move it
at a pace that year. In over explain everything you know, and I thought that the way the script revealed the elements of the relationship of the disease, which was was very moving and it's it's it's heavy. You know you, I hear you wonder, like I like a movie but like you here, when you, when you make a film like that, is beautiful. What is it so painfully sad? And you wonder why you know, like What is an audience supposed to do with that in it through just to appreciate the poetry of love? I guess you know yeah. I think so and also that one I think, part of the reason cylinder theatre, any art form exists. Is you don't talk? Oh the mirror up to life, the right, but also which means, if you do there. An audience feels like they're, not alone
and that that there is an understanding, a universal understanding of love loss and I think, particularly in this film, because it's not just a guy. A girl I have a guy and a pretty girls like right too, older guys The whole thing is what we would expect and yeah, and yet what the the What those people are experiencing is what everyone experiences: No matter what your gender, the matter, what your sexual preference or orientation doesnt matter political orientation doesn't matter. Love is love and loss. Is loss and one of those is guaranteed in life. Yeah? I mean. I understand that in also it does not. It does not
culturally, we don't run Billy acknowledge it is probably as much as we should that their there there's it's it's so common YO losing people losing your mind. I mean it's right. in its wake when it happens to you, as as it happened to you, with your with your wife and I want somebody recently. We I'm sorry that was the first time I I'd like somebody that eight I loved and likewise died tragically, like I'd but ever, but almost everyone experiences. That is, You don't really know what to do with it, and people don't necessarily know what to do with it either. No, I think depending upon your situation, the socio economic situation, the country or living in UK experience. profound loss.
Again and again and again or rarely have been. If we look at sea right. If you look at it out, I mean let me that's happening every minute of every day and the extreme loss. I can imagine that we can't imagine where he was our climate, uh yeah of a climate of loss in but like it's interesting, though, that you bring up absence cause. That's what like that's what becomes really hard to understand that you know somebody was here and now you live with their absence for the rest of your life and its almost active, and it's always there do. You know that you did that absence like you grieve! You move through things, your heart here Oh you know your mind heels. Maybe you move on but like that absence is so is so profound, because all possibilities are gone. You know it's enough
which means that your heart is in heal your mind as in here and there you don't move on. you never do you put them would have That's what you mean you just eat, partly analyze, it yeah yeah, yeah and you have to in order, to heal and move on right, but yeah. You You integrated you accepted that that old jewish thing, you know that the idea of May her memory be a blessing, is right a great thing, that's beautiful, but it's like ie ultimately, is the only way you can look at it Eight, the ear you you you have to get back. regret sore or or self pity any of that and just sort of like what a gift it was. Yeah how'd you. How do people who went through the Holocaust.
Who were sent to who lost children and house fits and then survived themselves then went on to live their lives. Have another family. how and function fully how how'd, you lose a child not just loses out the loses child it that way and continue your life. I don't, I guess what choice If you have you have a choice, but who decides what right right. yeah yeah, I don't know, it's interesting, that, like you know in your life as an actor, you know you have played some pretty real monster you know when you do you are you able, when you approaches roles, I give him playing your Eichmann or there that, then the murderer India was at the beat. Will love it bonds? Lovely bones: do you have to detach your empathy,
highly and me how does happen? look at life through the eyes of those characters. The only way to look at is that they were human beings. Monsters We think of them. Ass monsters,. But they were doing things right right, so I thought about it Recently, some of them, Iceland, was over. They found him in Argentina, right, side, garden, Argentina and the South, agent. You know I had him in a room for a couple days and though he wasn't supposed to he started. Into a man, asked him a whole bunch of Russia's isabel. How could you kill those people have, to facilitate that, haven't you and they sent it. That was my job. That's what I was supposed to do
What about the children? I love children and when they found him, he was playing with his children in his house, in TAT detached because of ideology and what he said was. They said he simply love children, but what about all the children you sent to their death simple? They were jewish. Why? So? What kind of mind is that for rent so he cries talking about children, it justify, justifies killing children by saying the jewish talker disconnect, but that's the brain, crockery of what you see here. It turns out it's it's a lot easier to make people think of other people, s eyes, as early as in others, fucking horrendous? I did want to say this before we go. Is that too I've watched them? I have a guilty: the devil. this product is a strange.
guilty pleasure of mine that I've? How my to so many times like, and I just love that movie. I love those women. I loved you in it. That must have been the great this time it was you sometimes your movie in your life, here. I want it just like whence my last day ever that movie, why I didn't want to end by the end of my wife, my work ended I was just sure hanging around and we were having wine stuff on the seventh day everybody and then I just wanna leave. I don't know, I don't know what it is doing. So is that Is that, where is that? How you make your wife, your current life? Well Yeah I mean I was buried in a Kate was alive. Would actually we found out
just before? I did that movie this. She had breast cancer so did the movie and she fell treatments and then we have the premier and then you know she was alive before more years after that, and it was yeah, but that's where I bet Emily and we became friends and actually felicity and this my wife, she and Kate talked at that. For me, that night and have a photo of them together, which is so odd than many years later I ended up marrying felicity and you have children with both. Yes captain I had three kids and felicity had to five kids. Yes, I'll see you ve got young kids,
I have two and a half year old and secure twenty one year old twins a nineteen year old. Everybody get along so far, so good from time to time, there's always but yeah yeah. So and how are you are you holding up with the air with the plague Finally that's fine. This is the second lockdown I experienced symptoms less march. You do. yeah if they were, they were minor, got it I had the elbows are one point: the legal show up again but I lost my sense of taste and smell for five days as all of my older children felicity, never had any symptoms. Yet if you, though, no we don't know
she always shows up negative, so I think tat. what about not being naive, but I feel like the ever. According to the science, So there are anti bodies that exist in you, even if they don't show up in the tests. So so far so good at this lock down this time, we're just or acclimated to we're just more used to have you. during the year I have. I had been so busy. That's the weird part of it. Yeah. I worked in ITALY, shooting to war episodes of this document users, CNN. I then went to Spain and it is six episode thing for television So I was gone for two and a half months in the fall. The first lockdown I wrote the first. draft of a memoir like my life,
food food memoir recipes first said yes with some recipes was Salmon should allow during this second lockdown. I finish the second draft? and we know we ve been working on the added for, though she so we're gonna do something here in in London, then, starting tomorrow, So when they got there zone system masks, Its bass you'll be tested in Spain. I was tested once a week here, I'll be tested. Everything of adjusted five times a week right, it is all very careful you're these bubbles and so production is moving ahead, which is great and their incredibly cautious and so far so good great through had now so the cookbook thing
you did a cup of before itself pretty while a long time ago, I put it together from my parents, tell you re released it. Years later. Is it well how to print and let us get it could put together about. six years ago? You're, so your dad still lie both your folks around here again, my mother tested positive, recovered yesterday I said how your rice, sugar, Sinn Fein, I mean it I cast my father just indicative. It item is ninety. You can't kill them I swear, you can kill you in ITALY, allegedly when I was twelve and thirteen do with. Like a sabbatical, exactly change your life chaise, whether completely. it was so cool. We're part every but he spoke attire Florence. These speak Italian. I speak Italian, but but corruptly
in our view, assisted us. I started taking lessons again I was allows do series and then it's been very helpful. Florence is the best I believe, and it's so beautiful it out- then you can still even walk, allow those streets have been around for hundreds and hundreds of years standing stunning. and it's time you know its tiny and I've. I really like that and the cars or time roads or tired and those tat everything I got the eagles. These rules are mass right, brass power of God. Ass well let's talk about you, likewise. This is a real pleasure, I know I feel like I'm not even doing like apart gases, Now it is your so easily thought you. How can I haven't you before
I don't know I'm around when you come out here. Is it was a pleasure, and I am a big fan of the work. Well take carriers eyes. Thank you too then we to achieve with a nice taught you loose whose good, yet the movie is called supernova. It's in select theatres right now will be on digital platforms starting February sixteen I guess I'm getting slop here with the guitar clearly clearly sloppy. How can I stop me not going to stop me
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