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Episode 1204 - Michael K. Williams

2021-02-25 | 🔗

Michael K. Williams knows that a lot of people consider his character, Omar Little, to be the best character on The Wire. But he has a different opinion about the show’s best character. Michael tells Marc about how he brought his struggles as an addict to his performance, how he relapsed while making the show, and how the cast gave him the support he needed to get clean. They also talk about Michael’s scar and how it helped him land his first acting job, why he loves Rachael Ray so much, and why his role in the movie Body Brokers was so personal to him.

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from Boardwalk Empire, of his. HBO movie. Bessie with their queen Le Tita, he's on this. The other one d, the hut, the love craft, were show You know a man to do but the scar on his face big fan. of his and he's in this new fill my body brokers, and I also talk to tumultuous LEO on Monday about the movie as well a bit and its It's one, these small movies. it's not gonna get about advertising money spent on. It and there's, not a lot of fun. Publicity on it, but it's worth seeing and its end its worth. hearing these people who were in it, and I hope we can get to talk to the
director as well, but this movie is about the we have racket. It's about. The drug, rehab, racket on all levels. It doesn't poet, he punches. It's gotta, bit of snark to it. In terms of the narration, which is seems to be so the thing now kind of like that there we care a lot movie but by the nuts and bolts Tibet are pretty disturbing because there be people given the opportunity given the window, you given just the room to do. It will be corrupt, morally bankrupt, greedy EVIL fox almost every body is an opportunist. Oh most every body, is selfish.
A system breaks down as thoroughly as the system is broken down here over the last four years. Even people who thing they're good. when they see a window of opportunity to do something a little off we're way off, we'll take it. if they can rationalize the action anyway, that's another tangent. Maybe I could talk about there, because I'm I got a little something stuck in my cry. He made you ve been put. Not that great idea have have you? Maybe you think it's gonna be too much trouble. Will making a beautiful website for your idea has never been easier thanks to square space, you'll find what you need for blogging and publishing content selling products and services announcing upcoming events are pretty much whatever you can. Think of buying a domain from square spaces, easy because our no hidden fees or price hikes and
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That you know is not on the level I d, No, are there really in- Lee sort of self with Sir your empathetic people most people selfish, fucking people, I kinda thing so like I'm cranky bastard, I'm defensive, you know I seem to be kind of of centred buddy, I spend a lot of time in my head. I spend a lot of tat even one, that's not a plague. Even when I'm not alone, I find ice no at a time, my head, but if you get me out of my head because you need help. If you call me up- and you need some in your friend- or somebody. I know- and I know you're not trying to take advantage of me I'll fuckin step up. I mean not saying on the guy's gonna run into the burning building to pull the people out, the doggies, the kiddies, but you know When the guy comes down with the dogs of the kiddies of the people, are a welcome to the ambulance. Aga put a blanket around him and and walk to where they need to go to sit down or perhaps even help get.
give them a bottle of water. You know not on the guidance in step. In between a couple of guys fighting but I'll die, Hang around in wind and say: hey come on chill, look I'm no saint, but my point is for their good people are there, It is genuinely good people, like you, think about all these service. These health care people there there tremendously good people it's their job, but they they they do the job of help. They do the job of healing those people, we're out touristic an end, necessary and, thank God they exist. There are people that put their lives on the line for other people in the out, obviously than ever he's, got their problems, thing. I think most people are out for themselves and I don't think that just some part of capitalism. I think there seems to be a few different types of people, there's desperate people,
that need to survive so they're going to do what is necessary to survive. They have to end Why doesn't kill them or others? Then? people that are just shamelessly fucking self serving fuck. You I want mine. I get mine of do whatever I have to do to get my doesn't have to be about survival gesture you get out of my way, I'm taken it and then there's people that think they're good. yet there they do. They do the same thing. My beating around the Bush, about I finally know somebody looked I'm sure. There's plenty of you know people. I know rich people, people of Iraq, positions of power. That of jumped the line to get the vaccine and the Your question is like: if you had, the opportunity if I had the opportunity, you know what I go get the vaccine probably Seeking that opportunity out, no
If someone said to me like dude, I got some vaccine and my truck community. You wine vaccine, fifty bucks out I'll shoot you up right now, on that we cannot get out dude fifty bucks got a in the truck by private. Don't do that, Why am I going to hang around a parking lot of a clinic four left over once? No, it's happening So I'm going to wait till my health care provider to my Walgreens makes it available to me it's a drag, and I know there are lined jumpers put. The truth is, is it and if you think, you're good person where's the virtue in way Your turn, if you dont, have to write, I mean if you had the choice or if you want to make your goal. I'm tired of this shit. Do whatever I gotta do to go find me a fuckin shot, a vaccine on the level the up and up, but knowing that it really is on the up and up because you know that's your turn,
What do the virtuous get? You know? last in line covered, they could do. I guess. but they ll die knowing that date in fucking jumped the line but- no difference between the good people who think they're good. And do the shitty thing people that are shamelessly shitty. The only difference between those people is the good people pay lip service to feeling at about it or guilty, but they still did the same thing. You don't feel bad. Just be honest, I mean people who who jump lines or cheap or steel, but their young. an equally good people that have somehow rationalized or behaviour primary because they they worked. our to figure out how to do it or the took advantage of their place in the world to get special treatment in their wake
I feel a little guilty. No, you! Don't you don't feel bad, you feel good. Bad just shut up, don't tell Anybody if you cheated were view jump. The line just keep. but you yourself or just say, fuck you I figured it out and I got it. That's what you did That's who you are you not? Are you not oppression of, but I just shut up you fuckin put your mind to it. He figured out a way to jump, the line or get it, but don't Don't play games like I'd, get em, I feel bad. No, you don't. People are selfish, took what do you feel like hey? You know It's like I'm sorry started that fire e now, but the but here we have a nice. It was a nice picnic. I may I feel bad about the fire the burned all those land and killed.
That was horses, but are we at Dover? good hot dogs it's really sad man and you have the neighbor's house burnt down because of our barbecue, but you know bite We had a good time, and you know I do Like I don't really know them and you know they're gone now. I mean it's sad, but I feel bad about it, but you know we nice cookout. Spare me why so worked up. I know why cause I'm not. Tried to cheat to get my fuckin vaccine and I will so I can feel better. tired of adieu by this What waiting online sounds like fuck, these people, What about me? Buddy, I gotta go. Or in a truck M signal for modernity Madonna. You want the Pfizer. Got defies or whatever you want buddy come over. the truck. May I got it in the core while Pfizer
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it's available to buy a rent on demand on platforms like Itunes, prime video and more body? brokers is the name of the movie, Michael K, Williams is my guest. You. You also know him as Omar from the wire that that was the the the big break out. Walk, empire, love, craft country the night of Bessie was in Bessie HBO anyways. I was nervous because I didn't know what he would be like the man we at nice time and we had a nice chat. This is me Looking to the amazing Michael K, William, were you ever now? Lay a book with the UK. Is it there? snow still there. here. You know the story on the ground
It says that we do here right now. I've lived there for a long time. I live down the lorry side and overrun sixteenth street and I got note here Were you? U Gallina, I'm in California and it's just a little chile, that's our winter, then little cheer, nobody, vat, there's some part of. I have nothing to do it's not that terrible the commodity talk the talk. It's like it gets a little crazy, but it on another level. It's like hey. If nobody else is doing anything fuck it I'm! Ok, you don't have to be was got the alternative sucks. Bad the be ok man and get some type of grounded did you get it or not? I got a little a little scared somewhere, my family. They went down,
at the behest of the laws, and I was in contact with them. So you know I'm a quarantine for the fourteen days. Yan in our there was a point where you know that I don't know about it. You know I got a little long. Did I liked her back? Look that could great that made a pot of curry by Dan. I knock it tastes like curry. Like all came, I am glad not upset those, but no great God, man. I didn't have to be asked: will last The temperature is no problems breathing. It's what I do throw a team, but sir, you you you did you tested, you got it. You got it you just got a minor. Yes, Oh yeah, you got lucky fucking, crazy man. You know me, you know at I consider myself blessing. They may not want I've got good genes in all your mob guy Kay from really good James, physically the end on you know
the summer man you know like you spoke about that with everybody. They do not use the lad. The bar suddenly do because nothing for me is not an option I don't mind double workshop, I'm under our do the Ottawa founder. I found physical fitness this summer, but not for the sake of muscles. You know I got real got real for maybe cardio Kalis Galaxies stretching Brandon, simple shit, actual we believe that because on up- but that is in my programmer daily routine- that it gave me a leg to stand on a fight them off. Back a little bit that that shit I've been knocked me down. I mean no doctor. That's just my little take owing to add asked what I chose to believe that you know they did. We are so conditioned to run from this thing that you know
I think sometimes we should also remember that we have everything in our bodies. The kind of at least the army to fight back, we got a gun in our body is called an immune system. Maybe he s a bullets in that mother Fucker we're just lay the guy. We don't know. What's that we fight back. So that's your address. That's where I met with the owner was not knowing offered a MAC and a half months when the only uninstall but the semitic. I always thought that ought to be more well. Yeah me. I've been doing that to you. Do adieu, meditate yeah yeah, that was that used to our model of people like them. You know meditating, so hot I like TAT, make you mean sitting down now They are shit. Fuck, you up your brain, calling your eyes tat hard. Like you got, you gotta! Do it this thing we're doin hard. If you'd been do another shit, if you had don't you coffee Verde eaten United amiable.
whatever you you, you ve already on the computer and then others any I gonna sit out. Shuddered are right when you get out of bed, just do it. That's I've been doing. I just started couple months ago. You know what I was saved. That will take you, that's the trick, because you know I wait till I you know by the time I remember do it, I've already got a few things in Malta and brain I wish you fire kid. That's what did she do birthday The mark by might be believed the bed rag at the man on the floor. I got you like. I just see on the floor and I get up But I do YO go a little bit and then I shit with them. the guy, the english guy, on the app their heads base ebony. He talked me through at ease but you know talks we threw it over. I'm gonna take their suggestion grow like the next time. I see you, I would be like beg you, and it is about a problem. You gave me two things one. Do it better
in the morning and I gotta yoga married I've never used, but if I laid out in my room Emma whereby my bed and better, if I see it it'll my memory ass great ass, a great idea member, try that ship road map, I've been do it like. I also Yama, am a big fan, and I am I what the new movie, that body brokers and die. I look, I'm a sober. Do you know, and I like I know, that world a little bit and didn't you as it reveals itself its. Like it's insane and heart breaking and an informative. I really like the moving. I thought that you did a great job with it. Man met they. Do you know at four in offered some others will it was that this was a passion project. For me, because I'm a share your story, you know I'm in the club as well to my dear sir. Yes, Sir, Don't you know by that does heard me speak reform, not
I'm not shy about it. You know relapsed the pony, neither my story- and you know but I'm living good today in I guess I'll- be got gotta today, but this film real jobs, jobs, jail, This is the institutions yet right, so the I've had my first year of institutions at your day, God ever going to jail yet and obviously still here, but I've had my fair share with institutions, and you know I feel what you said was this this film, the narrative of the stone with extremely D. Stopping a dream. A disturbing and I was like I did almost like work, but what do we do with that? Like us? Are you, hitting me. So would you, when you first read the script by when John Swab is that his name you're. Just love a great guy raised the right of any directive yet because I know guys at work in that industry by my buddy Mikey came of yesterday to talk a little because I told him about the movie and he's like,
when he works within in reacts inadequate to jobs. You know because they were corrupt and indeed in feel comfortable right. So why? My thing was you know when you read that script as a sober guy? You know you realize you must realize. Like you know, I gotta do this. People have to know this right, but then the character to like their character, he's not only a guy who's, not quite sober and playing their part, but this it's a movie about people rationalizing yoke. Harmonizing things. It makes them kind of evil right. Yes, Jimmy. You hid it right on the head on. You know. as we all as you and I both know arm Pierre, been sober, doesn't take away the craziness. It has a lot of creating officers in the programme in me included com. I call on my demons in exile
there. You go, as you know, an end to me would was a perfect example of that yeah. You know arm the Ito arm of silver, but I could feel Duco came it EVA Absorber, but I can still, you know, use people right. You know I'm selling drugs yeah. You know that was even more profound in August, but me this film. It spoke about the insanity, an eye. People think that our eyes saw that sometimes people think that drugs are the problem, jobs on a symptom of a prop up the problem. You, you know we do not want to put the jobs damp the work because we gotta clean up this house on this garbage Riah, his so called it manifests in other ways and alive pour decision making. You know it would add poor characteristic tricks right area. So what was a perfect example?
and an opportunity for me to show that side of of what a recovering addict looks like it's not all roses, and once you put the drug down as happy about that, life is going to be great know, there's a lot of thinking, thinking that we need to get rid of him. Bad fat happens if I thought processes and what is example of that. But I'll tell you the redeeming moment for me with wood in the car: he, yes, the car scene and when he apologized, ized, he apologized. He made a man's man, and that was that was that redeeming quality in him. That made me fall in love with the character or a whole. Other love that that acting to where you know you drop into the heart of that guy. That's actually Tor
and did not the guy that justifies his behaviour. Does your great turner and you can feel like those choices? Man? It oh- and I guess we'll take the time this time. To also say you know, you know I wasn't in that scene along. Obviously there I just gotta tell you Jack Kilmer. What imports that deal the honesty, the bone ability that he bought. Two that character analysis they are. They are like I'm obsessed with them that I can't take my eyes off of the man in this film, but with the with Jack Port, and that in that, in that scene, in that car, you know that level of loyalty that he had that the way he look. It would that he put so much to the to the dynamic may that could no, I couldn't have reached where needed to be had it not been for what he bought the tape That's interesting ways. It was yet he was great and it was definitely that contrast of, like you
Mama where he says you, like. Your people been talking to me. I, like my whole life. Yeah and you really come all roads have a day said he would keep me here. It was like that was like a meeting in the car right here right now. Let's see what it meant a lot to me and he bought up so much till it brought him as as what is it Jimmy. What's so myself to the character and made it, he made it very easy for me a reason there Oh, I got a question because I get asked it to Kosovo when I was there when I did the show glow my character does blow. You know, and The I've been sobered twenty two years, some and people
You asked me like was a hard and we can now do you think about it. What was it like for you to be around drugs? You know in the film body brokers, ironically, would didn't sugar me because of the decision that I made as to wait. He was in his recovery when he was definite Coca, that poor party here I'll tell you who do who did shipment forgot his ready night on the night of what he was dead, the dope an end and the reasons why the escapism that, with very bad, was very familiar to turn to my son, my journey to marked about Marshall. With this disease. Well, anyway, when you are in jail,
Yes, it's called the night after night, aligning with Ray, I M ready, ready night should get the hell out of me. May he woke up here Robin a Genie bottle like a month, yet you know I don't know what would that night? You know, I believe, it would when he said, make you know you know it was more about you know the chicks baby I'm home it. I dont think that he was on the table in a real state of mind, although your technically, we did really. Dig it. I m right. I don't think that it was there. I think he would just in the bombing and could you set it you'll check these Dubcek spot. You shouldn't be here, blah blah blah blah. You know right ever ye re writing wasn't a different space that that you know. I don't know how.
to judge regulation in just one moment. I know how to know guided Numb, none drying, he did it to cope yet cop. I guess what I did it for and that chick me up right man. So like way now, when did you start? Where do you think it started with you? Would you? would you grow up? I got in Brooklyn Mag, I gotta is lepers Brooklyn and a little low prices called the vanderveer vandeveer States, as you know, on you know, like I say about that, job jug, said about a problem, but I started cope in very early on in I became an actor very early. I was they buy is nine. I was completely addicted to fantasy, like nothing about my life. Did I want you know so I can't make out that manifest itself. I go a kind of fantasy you where we and by me you know all be a stop. Now was it. You know like there s this, my community,
you know, is a western in caribbean community heavily that you know. That's what we call the button. Can I have your little Haiti at all. Folks from now on mothers in the Bahamas out. I am. I am my father's on the south, which is so you had half of the community that was raised in the Caribbean and the other had that was black american and there was a clash of cultures like in the in the Middle EAST. Seventy two, the eighties and you. At the pick one. You were either a lazy welfare recipient Yankee or you were a
hi hi water, wearing banana about driving, cocoanut, hopefully option and my mother being for the Caribbean and my father be from south. You know at me having a huge needs, a fit in high and low self esteem. I you know I started like you know. I lost my identity. Very quickly. Bury your trying to fit in to be to be like to be accepted to go under radar said. Nobody would I don't whatever be singled out, yeah, so little the disconnect from getting to know who Michael was started at a very early age and the ability to two chameleon myself yeah fit whenever I thought you knew the seat of getting which you have also started. Very so that's. Why me, when us out
I gotta dig it fantasy, very quick. We gave you did you like. I have that problem to, like you know by the ended his conversational. Probably talking exactly like you, I just have that thing where I feel like I'm whole person, but you know when I get around stronger personalities you just gotta like now, just live in that guy skin for a lot of work and of course I became an actor right like great great job with someone like me. What Europe really you know like Joe, must so crazy, but all you know the ito again would was an opportunity to to explore. For all those different things you know arm. Could I believe, in some form of fashion were all ethics, You know that our art, the Iccat, the the economy of this country's built on it, they virtue.
It requires the movie to require that which would fill talks about yelled in it. It manifested in food food disorders. Sexual disordered, shopping disorders rested with big. being called appended. You don't varying emotionally manipulative that sit seeks out in so many different you just how just visit human personality as my daily schedule you just read off. I would love to hear you speak what they wrote So you liked to cook you cook him back. There did you grow up like cause I always assume that young people from the caribbean- I always think about food. You know, I guess I did it must have been at least the idea in interesting confluence. culture there in the food department, absolutely in all our mama.
You know, I don't eat to live our lives. It I like to eat Who me am I just I love everything about food, not just the eating process. I love the preparation like you know you know my. My Rachel raised by one of my best friends, you sit here now watch a segment as you know the way she the way you are. He had summoned look at that. You hear my mouth. What was she could have passion for food is, like is bananas and then without do is you know our challenge myself? I like you and I will go to the website, elegant the recipe I'm happy for you. I could look at what he's doing that data. I know the basic philosophy, as she has a basic like template ass. She was suddenly garlic, our boil the farm peppered a battle there's some night, so we got the same foundation and I just can't you know I'm. I do I'm a pillow twisted shades of appeal
amazing fuck it up or do I just love? I love the prepping, a fool. I love. You know trying new things and Lord do I love feeding, people, I love and call people over man. Let's break bread. Now my people, my family, my friends. You serve everybody, then you have that men, it really like, so so, good. Am I I'm great right? It's great. I did then. I did that like a good right, a lot to say people eat me too. I'm I like. I do I've. Also, it's a great way to occupy the time men. I've been smoking fish like I'm. A jewish I've been trying to figure out a smoke, the fish like the old jews- and I got this smoker out there, so I'm fucking prepping brine and smoke in fish. Yesterday I spent an hour trying to figure out how to make perfect Bob a canoe and then, like you, know you You spend like three hours do in this shit. Like you, no smoking fish takes hours,
and then I'll eat. In thirty seconds, like I, don't give a fuck up put output hours into prep, and then just plough through it, if I'm alone- and I make something on Ebay or my body- are twenty five cents to put to the yoga man? Do you doing better? Take it a morning, smokes pocket bitch! You got a smoke free Europe, Norman! I get my God. No I've heard about the crossing of one of the eight of our Europe. get the smoker nobody's. Gonna ev Ry took they don't want to go home, but the smoke I heard about the air friar everyone about the air vulgar, yeah they gave it can be that trigger grill Greek big. They gave me the smoker, the wood pellets you gotta yeah, to put it in the I've gotta get LU, Lu Outdoor space. Throw it out there tat I mean I didn't you have been smoking the fashion I love to cook it in I'll. Do it by myself keeps me so The same thing you're talkin about with you know I just gotta, be careful
guy like if I get off on, I got made a pie guy made like if I eat your right if I can make a pie: dude, I'm fucked for weeks enemy, I'm making cakes. If I put in a pie and apply all the air ass their way from it you're my family, we were more p camp by Bulgaria and Romania, though, that it never, but I will eat above three partners by myself. I promise you that, if you can, you can access the data yeah yeah puts out in front of me. I we pretend it all the time just a descent, a snack, that's what I do it in a drink. A pot of coffee is how I manage my addiction might have if it just like. if there is ever spare minute I'm thinking about, what can I wait? What have we got in the list? are you there- nobody at me I said I love fool, you know me and you don't try to keep it.
No, I'm not a help not, and this is where you know it does not mean that we will keep our work. I want a good geek juicy goosey cheeseburgers I'm going to eat. You know, I'm not doing it every day. Among the devil, make sure I use it Emma Emma my regiment, but on good you enjoy yourself tried anyways the alternative. We got it. Joy life will be added joint, yeah yeah. I don't think about the other shoot at all any more. So when did you like start really doing the acting. I mean. When did you start doing it like what you decide? It was your life I mean. Was it one of those things really like you got to save your life with something? You know the wire. You know before the wire. You knows I took a background dancer mostly house axiom, the Waters Techno China makes things like that you're mad there for seven years. Man as a little yam illustrate.
three days, they watched agenda Jackson, videos does our gotta catch prerogatives, oh god public, and I will try to do today. It enables you go in the wrong way to learn of the brigantine Rachel Ray and JANET Jackson. These are the keys to your existence he thereby around in ninety. Ninety seven. Ninety ninety eight, while my first film over there, was a film called bullet to parks. Accordingly, play Tupac Shakur. He he has some picture of Polaroid mini saw that have the scar my face. They was like. Oh you told Julian Temple the director list. That's fine, this time and audition him in the first What does the scar and got you the job? Basically, yes, it did. What was their fight about? They got. You got scar, real, simple and a couple of seconds is twenty Fiveth birthday pissy drunk ballroom bra? Not this special and you know
the fact that almost lost my life that date at night, but on the star had added. You know there was a situation. Our technically I started, you know, who is drunk at the liquid courage in me, and I saw a situation with someone that I had known at the time and it had nothing to do with me and I stuck my nose in someone else's. but it might join mine. I was being lawyer, like you know, I'm not gonna watch you get jumped YO and I was in an answer no proper, my chess out due to the alcohol and out I was in that zone Oh, and when that situation, the escalated. Those do that were worked out, the competition with the person it I knew they turned their attention on me and the register so the second day, let's do it, was on this movie called mug shot. You know
was without met Maharan from the exterior and enable with independent film, but what I want to be just like her to pass little brother to my second was a lead role and independent film, we're gonna get a little I don't like starting a big. This can happen and there you know not dick warfare and all in all his projects you're going to cover now law and order is doubt that that those that was essential for young New York City actors at the top asked book in those things, those things and then on the phone just with dead. Ninety ninety nine roles are without whether Dick Wolf's afterward they there did. You feel like you're, being type cast How long have you ever? You know. I know I still to this day to acknowledge type cares. You know on knows last you know I don't get to assimilate into other cultures, great much it I'm a black man, and I tell the black experience right, yeah
You know I'm from the hood here and I know for a fact I got. I have ever Phronsie view where people end up in the situation today, and no one wakes up one. What is it I got it? I'm going to be successful, you know a great deal on the corner. Wannabes subtle dog that rock people wannabes assess, would think no more weight themselves on the basis of anything that gets them in jail. Do that out of a series of animal out of desperation and a feeling that they have no other options right and watch that happen so many times the people that I call my brother's my family members in my community and when I started becoming an actor and people were and how do we look into me to portray the story I immediately war. That has a badge right. I was like this
my community to my people's. I know these people I would do. I would do everything my possible to make sure that people who don't know this lifestyle don't know this community will leave from the story feeling empathy and having some sort of compassion and sense of the understanding not say you got to agree, but those two things and I made it more responsibility led the audience with those three things, but that's interesting. So you, Sir you're The point of view is that, like you know, instead of look king at me as somebody who is pigeon old by this type of row. you, you say like yeah, but these are real people who I know- and this is part of the experience in I'm going to depict it with honesty and authenticity? yeah in these characters are gonna are gonna be alive? This isn't on that plane our future. This isn't a puppet here. You know, so you won't So I imagine that when you you look at a script, you think in terms of like you know, why
How deep is is fucker you know like it is. A real thing Are you so in this? Guy short, I don't have the even wonder I can read the first twenty pages until you bullshit and as a writer rattle, had to admit that the wonder about that. What asked that what I'm going to skip looking for is had a wide identify. That's when I go look afore, ok MIKE. How do you How do you identify with this character because I know it? But if you really said you, you write the story about my community. I'm gonna find some web on this man's life. I'm gonna have a parallel with him, so I go and look for that and I could tell you in Europe fuck you talk about the first twenty pages and where'd. You learn the craft where'd. You study the acting. I study while others again, New York City man was sure I had work. I was bless, should be introduced to the earth. The off Broadway feared a world of New York City Muffin,
play that I did was added data on a lower costs, will a Mamma. I know them, and I say that I am still it. I was actually arm bless my soul manner with the lastly that she produced and directed and Writ wrote. I was in that it was the city opera and was called. Tank, crazy and Armenia and was about the war of the cultures and in that part of the world at least, and an arm I studied there for about a year to, and then I left and went to Harlem ass. I studied under the late great today Samuel and he worked out at the National Black Theatre as we call it. A and b t at all. There was a young writer. Director name is Judy Shepherd King ass. She had written display called endangered species, and I got a pardon that an arm then. Thirdly, my good friend and brother re promise or
lot to he bought it. He from Philadelphia shout the Philly ere. He bought his mentor and is there a company to New York City every Saturday these men would either going to trade label piloting cars and they become the New York, Airbus, today and they would teach a male MEL Williams he's director of the company and its called theatre for a new generation every. Sadly, man will come and we were a class either the produces club Whaley. What any law evil black Black Box in New York City, where everyone on from twelve three would have a better deal, accompanied data class, and then you know it will be a tin weak course that he would do and then around the fourth or fifth week he would start giving out. He will. He would bring us up into groups enter into as partners
and he would give us scenes from a classic place. Like a shriek name desire ceremonies, a dog old man, he hasn't look a litany of classic place. He would take see here give he would give us. Did the different groups scenes and at the end of the tenth weak, the last two weeks we put a source daisy, we will put a bearded because it he called it. The data night would be called a native scenes and are we sell tickets and get people to comment at the devil years? Men and that's that and to get into the city addition process. Many Hollywood and I started to book, but then I go said earlier men the falls went there like around Navy died young. I couldn't. I couldn't get a gig and saw you know my mom,
bless her mercy. She was tired and she decided that in our sitting there was a per ass. She opened up a dig in the projects where we live and by two thousand and one she was. She was blossoming, maybe no studies, some said the old woman with no education like lightning back, you know really doing and so what the Gay care center got popular. It got popular mandate and at her highlight the kids we kept up. We took him from one to five is also they loved that they were the first great. She did the kids that we're leaving our day care were all such were answered. What before me, I could chemically or such a high. What would number one in the community and flapped was overcome. Our teaching not another, no evil after I gotta say when I couldn't get me when I start. I stop looking near hand at in two thousand. My mom took all of us to the Bahamas
You can do that with what other ended. Well, the editor K was gay. Come again to wear this. Guy's gonna fall this guy's gonna walk on a moment ago. We goin out our almost better get going home rock out, so he knew he is dead. Having already tangled thesis that she autonomy, job at the daycare, causing always barring way to pay my red from nobody knows every frigate mud. I see a Miser cub work for me. You're right, you Michael earned money that I gave my note that not a better. Did things give you a lot worse? We got a family business in the community. Why not? So I did that for all of of of of a two thousand and and then an inter two thousand and one she gave me a desk and I started a coins myself, her administrative assistant cuz. She owes everything on
books. So I know I put a computerized everything out of you. Oughta give me something to do so so arm or dollar two thousand and then all of two thousand and one and, as you know, by September nine, eleven two thousand and one that happened and I slipped into a it- was dark. It got real dark for me. You know I'm. I still have my building and I saw the second plane hit with my naked eye. Like me and my cousin, we watch the buildings drop ceiling for like two weeks after that happen. like. The wind given on any given Sunday depend depending on which way the wind, which shift at the snow on the burning flesh, stillness yet. I always liked me a bad. I was in a story. I watch the same thing in a story from my roof and the Earl and yet in any
that metal smelt, burning smell me lad. If a week's entirely out of the flesh, yeah yeah, that's what I'd know what brought a flash smells like men like this is so anyway. Neither said I relapse happen. Get out of here. so you know who is your thing? Man, cocaine? Me Coggan alcohol, yes, oh arm a relapse and struggle for all about two thousand and one I'm a pop up, a most have two thousand. We know after nine eleven on Acta, oh boy. I was sitting my partner with my cousin. What am I always? There was always getting hot and the setting would be you tell the tv on what you mean it, and then you blast the music tripe, everything that has happened. but you do so
How can you talk at dinner? We talk, as happened with other we were playing chatting over fifty years ago. Haply talk, she saw the tv was all and I had no age, the old market. I looked at the screen and it was an episode of Sopranos that I was looked up. I was like I had this like out a body experience. I said, and I look what I the minutes of the road is pitted Islam. My mom's, may I see your mom I sit down, I asked I don't know if I could do no more as I got it, I feel, like I said it is his heart was shipment more shop, as is that what you need? sadly, do let me some money because
I got a ray of it. My package gobble up the sea for two years, and maybe I don't know they call a real. You got put a real together and I added who had sat blah blah blah blah blah hire. People must, as you said, all right. She, let me the money, and this is in later over early November. I did everything and descended on drugs. That's good now hey Yom Kippur, real right now, all of it all. I got what I need to get down and I gave them out. I had a Hitler's the tin. Names of people who I knew in the business that if I had any shot out, I can get it from them and no queen or t furs fuck him to pour Jimmy role
the man. Jackie Brown, car man I met with tonight, and I said that the real the new package as it you know what his Christmas and they gonna look at it. They gonna see that I'm back on a black and, of course, will be bring out the hope give it the second therewith in January. It's gonna be major right here we are February, it may happen in Mamma, like we did you. What did you do it? My buddy know how they are basil. have you? No, I I slip adored the pressure man. You know like for real real. I get they not adequacy adopt any Hicks describing, Actual talk away to take impacts on one day. Why don't feel better right, like the fact that that where we didn't in March or mother caught me marriages ago, come down stairs of backs view? I went and got them backs- and you know it won't work
desiring to doubt. Yes, it was, it was actually with Alexa vulgar was the breakdown four or more the ball little that's when I knew this is real. This is real like I got the decision. It's only offered anyway, what I thought this. He had the addition, but was I got it? I'm saying you know I wouldn't have obvious your destiny at the three days later. She called me telling me to beyond and that at the next and track and report to Baltimore, like I was on a set for like a week of fibre, met David Luggage at like John, right in had adverts, and I never looked back where gaudy done the research. Ah, yes, I yet you jump. What does that's? That's for real the app poured a lot of my pay and it's the cattle,
oh yeah yeah, I mean it's, not you! It's a great character was one of the best characters that whole thing I mean I remember watch it in real time. I watched it all at once, So I guy I watched a couple years after the fact, but I was in New York and I was doing a radio gig and I just would watch three or four episode. the day like I was on drugs man I was like the wire was my drug. I would binge I would do like four or five episodes a day and I feel fucked up right, but your character was like every time Omar came on. You guys, fuckin Omar man you're, always mad that I'm going to tell you a secret, though you want to know what the best character on that show was hands down. Yeah. It was the Eddie of Baltimore yeah as a promise yoga like that city permeates it. I can't you had to be on those
streets like. We know we shall a lotta location. Why was it? It was an air of good or cushy set type of a gig. We will. We was an abstruse broke and I've got to know the people. I got to see the culture I've got to feel the streets ere. You know when I tell you TAT City, is one the most beautiful cities, one the most beautiful gems in this country, and we don't know it but bought some other city about my is the number one character the people and their energy in Spain that city is the is the number one characterising the wire and Simon and Simon loves that city, I may say like easier. Let there be no still yeah. I interviewed that guy's, a smart guy crazy, were pocket ass. My big group, yeah, but obviously I am not alone in thinking. That was an amazing Chavez. Just all the performances were deep man, dna and I just work with Andrea friends, laundry.
Your royal me mad, we just need a movie. A month ago, he may know, and I know what it is- I mean that we stay a cardiac there. I'd know exactly which was finally talk at all. My guy would enable I know to. Lastly, it's called the name go here but back can imagine you to get together. That would I would I have to sit that one out just watch just to watch. You guys talk. We ve been talking about that medium and Sonya yeah. I saw you- and I have been talking about the bell shown here so when you saw who play came a great oak, iraqi and us dealing with three musketeers ass. She and I we both have full working on, acknowledge that you must know now to olive oil with special Piazzi different. Hee hee, hee hee hee far for regular, like we all too often we all of us as to what the royalists vessel I'd like you gotta. If you know em,
then you know it's goodbye. I got time to go into why we know that, but you do not know why I say he's special had all their men treat different bro. Yes as like it, you know he says with such vernacular and such effort lindeness. What most of us are thinking and his neck is not tacky, not offensive. He does have this way. Spitten shit, that's on all about Mars, but none of us have the balls to say that he does. It was such a reader budget How can you be like you just don't like what are you? What are you too, as like anyway? He had no there's a but there's a like a real kind of vulnerability there that he speaks from perfect. Yes right any you just gotta be like what the fuck Ok, you got a level yet I love that's true. I should love a man. You know Ojeda what you were gonna like like him.
you love him. What you want, then you hey, you, have you have problems? You got bucket problem, so we ve been working on a project that will highlight Dray mad and if I could be we would do is when you said it. Could we really so you and I we talk about that? All we got to create some fire brother cause. That's how much we feel he's just he does he just their special does yeah and I think also like you know it- it's it's it's it's weird place for him for him because he should be in everything, but there I don't know how much is coming to him, and I don't know if he's if he People really know how to use him, because if they created lower come on man, you think you re no it. That is that's about us another as a whole. The conversation that you know I'm gonna go down that road right now, I'm tired of waiting for day. You know the point now we're in it is time for me to build, though my own table sample asked the boy. Our own. To assure you know, Diana Production company. That's already
on his corner. You don't productions, Keith, free, your dough, free, free, dull production and what we are we are weak, we housed in the Navy, Audio Brooklyn and yet a dash of yourself. You know, and and this pandemic has as its humbled us, we had level the playing field massively and if its every time the shoe just shot, I believe is now here. You know all you here, you right, they dont know what to do in a barrier to do with me, so so so so you know it's time for us to arm too to lift each other. Now. Do you ever think about you ever think about theatre anymore? Absolutely, absolutely! Member about the same gentlemen, that in a disputed theatre, Thomas from Philadelphia, he and I were talking, the other day, men and we will. their work on this idea about travelling Theatre like just take it, you know yet mean a week. We come with a story and
his and travelled the idea of travelling theater and take it it's like neighbour, where's that normally would not be exposed to a play. You know what that would look like a better idea, what so today I M going about their. We can go back outside We can hardly right now. Would you here we dealt with definite talking about them. They must have an interesting like Lama, because I get some weird shit. Sometimes you know what the widow was. The love about data to there's. No mistakes, there's no cut an action. You have. We feel it forces to use everything you have. You got to stay in the moment. Forces me to stay in a moment like I'm gonna prosthetic we have presented coming around because of my further training. rise. Everybody's lies in fact eyes the right. I would only right my lives and not memorize them. I would just
write them down, but I would memorized your lines. Other actors lies because I needed to stay in that moment and what I did with mild. My dialogue, I tell myself well make if I understand the world and what these with the other, carries a thing where they come from, my lines will be common sense. He'll be logic. I don't have to Never remember my lie. It'll come to make this large and then only that I can then once what you would so, then you know the intention You know I go right. Bingo anticipated taught me that data also taught me to because it taught me to know the intention if you switched it up because another thing about Anti royal. He or she could also come from the very outset. The same second that I was running J was running away. They know each other at the time, your home, we actually do the same play at the end of each other the time we get launderers. We played three dip
made in her life, and she was like Marian. What is better luck so so J with notorious for switching up at the lab? like you, I gotta go home and walk my dog David. I gotta go feed my cat gonna, like you know you, you and Bearded taught me no matter how many times with ivy lights, we do it. If I ever met around and stop listening to you and waiting for you to shut up so I'd say by lie, and what that without these are indeed it is. I could get shit will act like would like like Angie. Who might you know him? I thought you were nugget and if you have a United Europe is a catch it you won't know nothing Could you you know you guess also they had taught me. Those things were here: yea and listen got unless it is Sir TAT show, so you feel
better. We now, when you did the wire review you high, adding get how the whole first season of the wire all I wanted to, makes such a good impression on David, Nina and Ed. I decided, you know, ass possible we I was getting nothing at around their picked up cigarettes. I sit in August. I sit you know cigarettes, don't get me high of it'll it'll, be my oral fixation as tough as others here, but I want to close they don't drawing rooms, yeah yeah. I thought it there know and so on the whole. Firstly, that didn't get hide it. and they may be a series regular all season to arm you, as we all know too little about the docks. So what happen again I became my item. I became the devil's workshop, I'm I'm in Baltimore, I'm already paw,
Are you going to clubs and things of that nature? I have all this time on my head. I don't have the responsibility to get fucked up, could you I did want to, but there were like weeks a week or days. the time between the place with Jesse and I ended up picking up in season to all, but you know, a really bad, the cast a wire window appears Sawyer, Andrei when, they re read. When said Gideon Madame Lebrun Dozy these men and women men they are, they would come grab me up you never. Let me sleep too far between the cracks man alone. We became a family. They became they became a family or season two. I say there still holds children's day. Ass beautiful. I can't I get this in terms of influences
they have Andrea one side and window on the other. You got a full spectrum. Man, you know you ve got. You got the raw honesty. You got the thinking stuff, you know what I mean when the window is, is like an Oracle yeah. You know blot tomorrow and not a heart and he got a lot of fighting him. Don't let that don't let those reading glasses and that three pieces boy with a net tat window, fuck you up and he becomes he doesn't Wally's do through and through, and I just an educated. He was not afraid you know and, as you know lucky I take he jobs. Jewels like a piece
the wisdom by what early autumn in and a career man window set me down, forget was talking about wasted, you know what Michael is it this business is about the work. You do the people you me and the relationship that you build and I'd never forgot. That kept me humble kept me focused. what what's important about being in this, this land of make believe that way that we live in the area kept me. Yes, that that's the kind of thing one of the, but he also he'll be right beside the bottle back. He has no you're lucky, though not window. If you look at me, you perceive them a certain way and you miss the party with the body. Well look at his speaking time. I've talked to him he's a great guy So when you did when you did the board. Like empire man, I E. How do you feel about that? Time travel business, you, I d, go into different
you know what I was talking to a good friend of mine and he he kind of all he can it hit me pull my attention to what should be just that? Yes, the as it first thought is yes, I do. I do love going back in time decided to use those stories whether it was chalky. Why, on public empire or JAG G in on an embassy obstacle in a tea for what it was Marshall screaming and in local country, I keep there is something that must be gone. Oh, he was telling your my he's had noticed the ancestors keep bringing you back using you'll tell this story, and it's not just all over the place. I'm always be an axe to go to the nineteen toilets
the error that my father was born in an arm. My good friend legacy with talking was like We do we do you know where I work with my asses While I acknowledge them on a daily basis and on he hit me they're just recently. So yes, I do. I also take that the opportunity to go back in time and tell the story of my ancestors are also aware that just as much with a badge of honor and a huge responsibility may as well, if you, your folks, do around my father's deceived my master, mesh dismayed by the greatest past assemble still swing in a cage. I knocked me out back you out with a mob. She was caused by now that we got our other items gotta stay. We got about any of you. No ninety, three Gina, better
While the aim of these somewhat years in the projects, you know she armed militia safer Let me go and rugged sheep she put our own house cash big here. You know a young man. It's a logical. She was so comfortable with this are almost fifty years are one apartment. I want building a welcome an arm that's new you and I am merely eyebrows we re vandeveer, and it you know like around seven. The inner on assent, raptors, seventy fifth birthday, may we we're we're with some nudging where she sat without a cargo so she got to sleep now, but also, as MRS Happy very happy and you're happy Yes, I am man, I'm grateful. You know, we already know we ve got nothing to complain about my we here yeah and your cookin. Yeah Rachel RARE right, nobody would be
it's a basically item is all right, but it's what are our kitchen at which, in my view, rheumatic? Yes, actually idea. Man on a sheer interviewed me when I was doing the so called happen, Leonard and you know. You're such a big fan will act. It is still one obvious he found out. That was not about the law as it is as though Rachel I said, I see you. I say you know isn't it you know, there's no way, I believe in the studio. Without you make me a hamburger, you're you're gonna make me that you got. Maybe it's based the special Rachel Re Burger, provided you dealt with it with attracted to the kinds of makes I'd need that in her look, there may seek to talk with you like this motherfucker by hitting. She went to the kitchen garden- is a real kitchen on that same as all real weight in the back and twenty one.
Lay the men I have had not voted. No Rachel rate Cheeseburger happen. I could at data with the long glad that a guy that happen for you. I mean I was good talking and I love the movie. I love you workin yours, So I go into a meeting. I feel better. Thank you want as Samia brother. Thank you were ok, hey, take it easy, that's it! That's our show the movies body brokers at the available now to buy or rent on on demand platforms like Itunes, prime video and more and dump, Forget friends, it's time to stop searching dozens of streaming platforms, trying to find What you want to watch paramount isn't just another streaming service, its life sport, breaking news and a mountain of entertainment.
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