Serj Tankian from System of a Down says he is dedicated to the truth in a very naive way. That basic need to tell the truth and be honest with himself comes through in his art, his activism and his personal life, all of which are depicted in the new documentary Truth to Power. Serj and Marc talk about how so much of Serj’s life has been dedicated to telling the story of the Armenian genocide and how that mission informs his activism around the struggles in present day Armenia, as well as other human rights efforts around the world.
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all right. Let's do this. How are you what the fuckers, what the fuck buddies, what the fuck brothers?
sisters how's it going a mark Marian
my podcast, I'm not winded. Maybe I am maybe I'm a little winded surge
Cancun is on the show today, he is the lead singer of system of a down. He also works with Tom Marcello, from rage against a machine,
as well as on his own solar stuff, he's out spoken activist on human rights issues and there's a new
documentary about him called truth to power. Now I came
As many of you know me.
Which many of you do, I'm not a metal guy. I a priest.
He ate the metal, some of it, the
battle. Ivy York, I like all kinds of Munich, but I had it matters to mesmerized or those two records. I remember listening to remember, which one came out first by listen to the shit out of it
I remember who turned me on Twitter what year that wasn't seemed like a while back, but,
definitely aware of system of down. I knew they were intense. I knew they meant fuck and business
and I also knew ass time went on that they were armenian. I knew about surge a bit, but why
the opportunity to watch. This document is a holy shit. This guy's got big boss, Manny walks to walk this guy. I on it.
activists whereby also real
I used in as many of us do about things about stuff
about places other than our own place?
I don't know much about it
I don't know anything about Armenia. Really
and I was amongst the Armenians now
and I was curious and I could have read a book at yeah. I looked at a wiki page, but yet
you know, somebody like surge, who has been doing activism around a bit
a while back changing the political system of Armenia to
a more democratic situation,
and then to get the recognition.
of the recognition of the armenian genocide globally, Special United States, but search had a profound.
An impact on
on the politics of modern day Armenia.
And he's a metal dude,
but it means business
also, this is so work, but I wanted to be schools. I wanted to learn. I want
did you know,
of the Armenian,
sperience in America and in Armenia what's happening, and I would add, that's
I am surge any schooled me and I appreciate it
In other news, I'm going to get a vaccine, I'm going to use my vulnerability to death.
my vulnerability to death to
to get a vaccine calibre heart disease goin on. Why
I use those things for a positive
hey man. Look I go
I think slowly killing me
I'd rather not go out with the cove it can. You hit me hit me here,
Maybe that piety hit me
with that. More dare now. Gimme
J J hit me hit me
hit me with your rhythm stick hit may hit me.
What is that? Where did it come from I'm so
I'm gonna it's gonna happen. Gonna get the vaccine,
everyone should get the vaccine,
I don't understand, backs resistance. I do I just don't get it.
Yeah. These three polio, measles and stuff right. You'll know that right, look I
understand in again, I got way like you, don't want and need the vaccine
but you know sometimes you gotta take ahead for the herd thou
back when democracy was popular now, there's a growing contingent in this country of outright authoritarian and psycho libertarians bordering on fashion.
it's in there
strange militia groups that do you know
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I got the new kitten common
the kitten come moving in tomorrow, Sammy Sammy,
begin I gotta go on. There is first idea appearances
that moving just still shot me in Sammy on the couch, be in our own,
things being our own beings being our own individuals Sammy's. Now five,
weeks in change old bevy of between five and six weeks old. We ve been bringing him over here. Gonna write, written
Esther, look at em wedding to meet each other Sammy at this.
it doesn't seem to give a fuck about buster savagely.
Trying to figure out how to get a sense of death depth perception how to jump off a chair?
how to eat solid food? How do
your trot around how to respond
under things that are moving
yeah so like of course buster
is an Sammy, doesn't even acknowledge it
but I remember when buster was a strange little kitten and he lived around my old cats for years most of busters life he spent as the kitten
among the old cats, and now he is the older cat with the kitten butter
certainly Sammy doesn't give. It doesn't seem to even noticed. Buster buster seems
irritated, but not hostile
I think he's gonna work out
was petting Sammy, we'll Sammy will read Sammy Sammy Red
Ah my chest any began to shit so diving that brought us together. He Easter egg began
the two to shit on my shirt and we got to offer me, but I
I see that as a bonding moment,
I don't have Samuel, remember it, but not enough
monkey used to do when he should on the rug he was looking directly at me. Nothing
then a cat? Looking out, you ask
It's on your stuff, even
yours on your being cats? Don't you have cats? Do they like you? Probably not do you think they do some time
Do you have them he s so soon
Gimme the cat Sammy, the kitten,
will be here tomorrow.
of all worthwhile seems healthy, he's
a couple of his shots ray. I get the rest shotgun checked out.
Make sure it's not up a faulty tyke.
But now you know I'm already attached and now I could be fucked up and I'm going to ride that out. I just you know it's stuff with the pets. It's been a rough year for me with pets and people passing certainly didn't expect one
with the Patsy Gonna know it so now, like there's parliament's, I got kitten their great now
to watch him die if I'm lucky.
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on a daily basis, dont know whether we
actually do survive as it
mark, receives your country and
When things happen like what happened
in advance of the day before yesterday
by radicalized metal
the ill person
who probably sees himself as a martyr and will be seen as somebody
Racial violence and the fact that
going in the right direction.
But hopefully, in the next few years we
really get a clear assessment of how much of that momentum
happening. God knows the last four years we all know
which members of our family are part of it and die
how big the voting block is, for
how democratic thinking and
Jane was fascism, but There'S-
islands the term
arrest arm of
of mentally ill people, and people filled with hate is.
it was interesting for me to talk to sir to your eye.
I dont know how active any of you are. How active we all are. We, I guess most was one, do our part and be some people,
we consider me not as progressive as I should be, or not as activism should be or not
It would. I can try to give way,
But he only one you're an American in you. You look here,
often in relation to that and what you can do. What you weren't doing with your life is big question,
and also you know,
what information is reacting to, but surge
very specific action and
an hereditary action at an end,
action that goes back to, whereas family come
from you know he sought to fight for
the recognition of the armenian genocide by the world by the United States government. He also fought to
to protect his homeland from
an ongoing kind of
allegorical corrupt governmental structure.
and inspired in a new generation of
political radicalization through non violent means mostly
in Armenia that was in he's an american Armenian is inspiring.
maybe if you like, I don't do enough
but it was certainly a trip talking to him he's in
there's a new documentary about his his life culture,
the powers available on demand and in virtual cinemas worldwide. This is me
talking to surge tanking allowed. Sir TAT sounded like you're at this having sex has like. While this is exciting,
The very latest started start yeah. I'm almost finished just just hang out of many good now I understand
It's like I'm glad you finish yeah,
They want to be rude and be doing that in the middle of everything wiser,
and tangled up on my God Jesus Christ.
Ok, nice to me,
as they meet you do yeah.
I really am ok I'll. Where are you with which location which bunker you, in LOS Angeles, in my studio or in the studio
I bet you do. If you have your overtime part of the year, part of the New Zealand Sea like
That way, when did you do that New Zealand thing? When did you do the first time I went was in two thousand and a big day out: tour fell in love with the place and kept on going back. Two thousand and six. I got
residents. You got a place therein and have been going back and forth plain ping pong area. So we were there during lockdown, which was a whole different experience than being here and allay wait way different
What what what what
compelled. You then was it. The same sort of did you know
at that time in two thousand and six, because I know you ve been on the pulse of the end of the world for a long time and were you
We'd, better we'd, better get what we want
we want to be in the place where the world ends last well.
you know, there's there's a certain aspects of the political
in museums, a great place in many many ways. We obviously ecologically.
it's not the perfect place, but it's in everything. You know the waters still
as far as fishing, the air is clean
everything's organic and you know all farming
locally. You know it's it. There's there
there is a whole wholesomeness to amuse you in that sense, ecologically politically, it's quite soon
art and an lenient. It's a real democracy, the value that we don't have case for loving firms. They don't have the electoral college state on have super facts. They don't have pack money that helps
and good. You know they ve had good leadership over all doing
the pandemic. Do you prefer-
Sturgis in order and she was very communicative. She was very on point. She told people not to
I know you don't want when we had the toilet paper stuff going on in the? U S and everyone was freaking out grabbing too much toilet paper, the actually got on television, and she said you know we have a beautiful little toilet paper,
plant on the South Island. We're never gonna run out so pleased
let's not embarrass ourselves as well. You know that kind of thing here is very, very charming, very funny. Don't freak out about the toilet paper thing: yeah, yeah and people people respond
but there is also something else that I think explains usual situation besides the non core,
Her supporters obviously is an island everyone's like it's an iron douche bag. You know like that's. Why you? It's not
is that it's all
because of personal responsibility. There still some type of collect,
their responsibility and understanding by people saying
That's, ok, we have to do is best for them
Countries that mean staying home then so be it. We have to do is best for the kind
if that means putting on a mask, then so be it. For you mean, there's grow.
not sir there's grown ups or rational adult there who are, who are
his brain was blocked at so easily?
well so easily misunderstanding the at the idea of liberty and freedom exactly but
look man I mean. I am glad to talk to you. I gotta be honest. I like in terms of system by
I jumped on. I would say I got the two,
big records or mesmerized hypnotized. I was like I listened to the how those records, but not a metal guy, so I wasn't there at the beginning of this.
I view we'll, take you anyway yap
but I am curious, you don't. I watch the dock as well, but I'm curious, like I think that you are now
just you know. I think you seem to be a real above
unified ambassador to Armenia and in some respects it's not you not just a bypass,
a clear, but yet the new Prime Minister invited you there at deterrent.
Of the revolutions- and I think that that means you are an actual ambassador to Armenia, a cultural one.
The cultural ambassador. Yes, I I with amongst your people- and I mean
add enough set at myself.
But I dont know more
you know it's one, though things as an american and entitled American. I guess
and also as a Jew. I, on some level that my
histories are very specific
and and it seems that
you know lately. In the last few months there has been
quite a crisis in army
that again, I'm not educated about even reading about it, I'm not in time
the clear on, but I do now because of the neighborhood. I mean that there is some trouble right, yeah yeah, definite
we saw last year and in a lot of people dont know their saw is important to discuss last
in September on them
number, twenty, seven, the combined forces of Azerbaijan, Turkey, along
the syrian mercenaries that Turkey brought in to Azerbaijan attacked arts of our
is a an enclave that was historically arming and for twenty five hundred years gap it was under russian proper protection
in the eighteen hundreds early, nineteen hundreds, it
given by Stalin in nineteen twenty geyser John during the Soviet Union, but the people,
economists Oblast, which means they write, render own affairs. They had their own government, they lived,
freely. There were already living there as well and in the surrounding area oddities as eddies like four
mother, Bulgaria, Azerbaijanis. Yet
so in the nineties, when the Soviet Union collapsed, all
Countries proclaimed independence, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Ukraine, like all these farmers
They republics programme,
events at that time. These Armenians living there also proclaimed independence now,
Eighty five percent of the population there in that area was arming, and so the resolution passed for independence.
Because I'm a junk control, the territory they re
acted, angrily and came down with repressive measures against our means, so there were the
these programmes and killings and all this stuff which lead to
independence movement in ninety nine, for the armenian defence forces took over arts
along with security
for his in that area.
But they ve been running their own affairs for twenty seven years and then
Lo and behold, during the pandemic
Azerbaijan, with the help of Turkey, a major NATO army, attacked that enclave with just
You know everything they had lost,
People died. A lot of people were displaced by two hundred and forty thousand people, my guy from Arza yeah there's a couple.
You got. This is a couple of months ago
it started in September in early November, a cease fire was signed and
rushing peacekeeping troops entered the area and they ve been trying to keep the peace
hence the cease fire was basically predicated upon
on the armenian leadership. The armenian prime minister. This is yours,
Here's your guy, your buddy, the
Does this year this isn't about pushing and who led the revolutionary and yeah a friend. These guys were a small defence force fighting. You know
a bigger nation and then backed up by even a bigger nation and two thousand syrian jihadist mercenaries. There,
no chance- oh my god. So this is this. Is this? Is a turkish incentive again the Turks
Aragon gave whatever support that the president, the dictatorial,
the president of Azerbaijan wanting
and so day they had the backbone to actually do it.
And they did it. During a pandemic. They committed war crimes. There were banned phosphorus white Phosphorus weapon weapons drop.
Over people over nature. You know they were bombarding civilian territories, the whole time Billy
day in and day out it was. It was horrific, so as Armenian Americans, we all galvanised entry
to raise funds for humanitarian support.
Trying to get media support, because you know in Azerbaijan attack dangerous attack with military weapons. They attacked with propaganda
this information social me,
your boss, because you would these days apparent rhino. There was a fire
kind of equality, narrative in the press, saying that all norming attacked us and there are like. No, I mean you came to us an attack like we, which was the effort and also here in Yahoo. Nobody really knows so yeah the path we are going through elections. We are going through elections to be fair and a pandemic
and so look, they picked it up
They knew that the world was going to be distracted words it at now it's pretty horrible, because other major,
still holding pure W armenian theo. Double use. Even army has released all Azeri pure double use their using it as a tool of divisiveness and kind of creating chaos within the governing system of Armenia will keep. You know, there's protests in Armenia. There is a lot of divisiveness, lotta, anger, alot of grief
it's a shame, because the two thousand eighty
Peaceful velvet revolution was a unique thing that again most Americans don't really know. There really was incorrect
we special we can not. Only not a single person died in an oligarchy
corrupt system was replaced by progressive democracy, but also it was
the first time that these central, I civil disobedience, was used as a tool of revolution. The outlets sought- let's get what's come back around to that, because you were sort of an intricate part about both in
inspiration and an action. So when
It seems to me that you were like when you were younger, you and you're still pretty intense but you're, not as intense as I thought you would be immediately
for some reason when I met you, I thought I'd come again soon be intense
it's going to be honest and it's gonna be can be. I can scan to stamp my toes you, I was thinking the same by you come on. You know, you know about my gimme a break like I have to be on my point, yapping May in future a casual you know, but you
Parents are both armenian from Armenia enough from Armenia. My dad was born in Syria, my mom from from Lebanon,
Grandparents were survivors of the genocide or they split it. They left and they would
they got up in these different places. That was nineteen fifteen. Is it correct? Where were you born
I was born and Levin on. I was born in Beirut, seven years old, we migrated to allay when the lebanese lebanese civil war started grew up in those Angeles where'd you live when you came in Wilshire area. That was the original Glenn. The armenian enclave Hollywood Ali will react lit a little Armenia, which has Hollywood, Mean Hollywood area. So that's where we first.
Less than in the valley, mostly back and forth, in different places in the valley. Never Glinda
I never lived in couple O. My band members live there, but I thought I'd say someone must have lived in Glenda, some relative yeah, oh yeah
someone must live there. In and day out there like hey, come to Glinda LE became the vague
Well, I mean maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me not, unlike the need, the Jews who came over at different points
in time. You will you stop
drop in one place altogether and then, as you,
gain status or or economic status yo
you move to the suburbs to a degree, and I would ask you think that's what Glenville was.
An aspiration monk yeah pretty
You started out in little Hollywood, little Army and Hollywood and then moved up to London.
it became a more you know, suburb kind of living in community in there
so a lot of our means in the valley is well in North Ali word and all over the internet. They all- and it seems like many came to LOS Angeles area. Do you know why that is? You know a regionally? The armenian community was actually settled in Fresno because of agriculture and also on the EAST coast in Boston. We had a lot of the lot of our means and Watertown, but late,
that migrations after the eighties. You know
and when arming at first week became independent and ninety nine ninety one from the Soviet Union. A lot of people came to us
when you got here. You spoke only Armenian when I got here. I spoke
mostly armenian, a little English and a little Arabic, because I was born in Lebanon.
And then you want to. You went to an armenian school. I went to an armenian private school from third great till the end of high school. Then I went to calculate northwards got my degree from north now, my
question no easy like what were the expectations, because talking to people that come that first generation,
You know you're wanting to do to make a goal for themselves in in in Amerika what what were the expectations out of you from your parents in it
forms of what they wanted. You do what you thought you should do
how did you develop the original chip on your shoulder search, vessel, chiming? Ok, I'll get it at that
as far as my parents, I mean they were and Survival Maud. When they came. You know they didn't come with me.
money at all, and they were just trying to make a living to get by them.
be sure that we got a good education which was very important to them.
And that we read that we respected and retained our heritage as well cultural heritage. So there
important to them? As far as the chip on my shoulder, as you call it, I became
activists because of the kind of work?
the taboo position of the armenian genocide within a well known democracy like the? U S, but when did you become like aware? That is why it seems to me that
you you started with,
education, but you you're going a different direction earlier, didn't start with music. No, I didn't. I didn't start with me
I was. I started playing music while I was in university just got here.
keyboard and IRAN is a way of relaxing and then I started getting euro joined. A ban would still not very seriously graduated university with the bachelors and marketing sir
working in the jewellery industry. With my dad I had worked, as are you with my uncle. I had worked with my dad in the show
in Austria I created a song.
After a company and ran his software company for years. I did many
I even rent a car wash while I was in university, but
at one point. I realized that music is my calling. It was a huge awakening, an epiphany fuel. How did that happen
I was I was working in downtown my uncle in the german and austrian and at nice I was taking these Kaplan classes in long beach.
I can learn how to take the else had to be to be to get into law school Galiano. You look, I know about yeah,
You can see me as a very yeah
good, but you know I'm a left brain right, brain person as you are like you know, you can do your
logical staffing and be creative at the same time so
So I thought you look at the last gloves dealing with a lot of attorneys at the time for from my parents, affairs and stuff like that,
I hated it, I'm just going to these Kaplan classes and seeing all these people that were enthused about doing, live just fucking. I always say that I had to go to the outer ends up. Why shouldn't be to admit twice,
Therefore, I really am, and
that's when I had an epiphany that music was my calling, but that's like, but it seems to me that the pressure you know I'm sort of first generate.
In people to to succeed in a way that is accepted.
on the community. That is acceptable to your parents, that that makes sense on paper, too,
who wrote to them and to you it seems that that a lot,
people do what they think they have to do and they just
fuck it up in Asia. Aids. If it seems to me that you know that too, to make that
decision to follow this. Calling and, like you know,
You talk in a documentary a lot about this. This army
in song, the stork song. You know that
that kind of hangs over the whole thing, which I think is sort of beautiful. By
but so you didn't really know you weren't playing
in a band. I mean you didn't, have any indication that music would do that, go anywhere, no
I didn't. I just knew that that was my calling. So I dedicated myself wholeheartedly to it, and just just
you don't learn and an end and played- and
enjoyed it, and who are you? Who are you guys? I mean like what were you listening to? I mean to end up where you did cause. I mean it turns
outfit, like you, know, system of a down you're just by nature of the form. I mean metals, one thing and you know, and how it borders on on punk. Is it in nothing but but there's something
exotic because of the armenian melodies at her intrinsic to all you guys. Bravo well put
there is there is there- is that you know flavour, that we have that you know whether were going.
Who song that you know is a mishmash of punkin whatever it is. We
we ve got our own kind of four key kind of a day
to that from from our heritage dead
it is definitely a trademark, it's kind of wild because I think it seems like it's just in their. It doesn't see it seems like theirs and that its effortless, because, like you, will get back to that,
influences, but I mean there's a way
Your beat a different beat like a lot of the metal guys you try to get away from blues based anything so
oh yeah, you get it you get into this this other type of DR, but there is a thereto
different rhythm too, to the music of the region. The EU come from genetically
yeah, and I don't know what that rhythm is. But I hear it here:
the queen to its in Greece as well. I drank the idea,
yeah and in
let it remain a mere right right in it. It there it's it's a rolling rhythm, that's a completely different than for what you have four four or
You think that other metal bans were doing and that must be
Is that the rhythm you grew up with you know we all grew up with different types of music. Besides, you know rockin and modern music. At the time you know so yeah mean grew. I grew up with Armenian, meets in
these arabic, beaten, melodies and european meat and milk eyes, I mean I was exposed to a lot of stuff
before we even
as it as a kid before we even moved away and then an ally in the seventies. It was you know, vision, and you know
just go in, and so many things and eightys was a different type of music. I can't
became a music connoisseur as to what
it was. The thing to my brother was a huge music fan and I wasn't it
at the time I was in a heavy metal music.
Listen I'm not around of rock my
but he loved like heavy music, so he'd played at home in and that's how I
current heavy music, but you know I was
into any other types of music. You know it's like it's an inch.
Same thing when you look at a person in their whole life.
of music listening that tapestry of what they listened to in each decade is quieting.
posting, based on the kind of characteristics of the music of the decade
so. I remember at one point mark I was I was
three months, I would Belgium perched on a specific type of music. Three months of hip hop three months. Only
Es Metal, the best of it because, like you, naturally did it. Are you force yourself to do? I didn't force myself to do it. I just it was. It was almost like I do.
into one ban that I really liked and then I'd go I've. Never really I've never experienced genre. Be the hour is like
I've never even in the food before what are the best indian restaurant. You know that the kind of things with music. When do you remember first doing that, like what got you into rap? Look at you and metal,
he's thirty's, my my my brother was into metal, so he got me into it first and then my guitars therein was really into having music, so he asked
but turned me onto a lot of music like which bans or your ribands God. I mean
you know where listening to anything from the band death he asked
a too you know Slayer again toward with honour. The first thing to you know I mean: have you heavy music allotted death, metal, music, but also rock music. You know I mean I didn't grub listening to black Sabbath, for example, or or whatever it was a mighty
chinese that I discovered blacks. I was not in my.
teens right, whatever you know just late in life, so
an early music experience of of another kind of mostly world music. What you would call world music and- and you know what not
world music, whatever? That means right, but but it's
specific type of music. I guess it's more forky type of
Nick music would be world music get when you started playing you only. You were primarily a singer. No, when I went on, I was a horrible singer only for started. I primarily played keys, and I report tree so
was a word man and you know, keyboard men,
then I start playing some guitar. My four.
Spend that I sang in was approved
such a system of a gown called soil with maybe
our staring, and we had other ban members it I'm not not the current lineup of system and it was just
like this really progress him
crazy Metal ban that Sir
there's like the kind of pot
inward system of down, became you know, cooked in
yeah. It was the original flavors and
System is more kind of refined
version of that, but that's when I got my first kind of I had my
this shows is a singer, and I had my first experience
rehearsing as a singer in starting to develop my voice, which you know takes, takes a lifetime, sometimes any and your parents. How did they respond in it?
well, my dad funny enough. It wasn't me
mission, but he wasn't
professional musician and he always wanted to do music s
his career, but you know his
his dad my grandfather passed away when he was in second grade, and so he he couldn't afford to take
the risk, so he got into
issue business and spent his whole life, providing for the family being or
Sponsible Perceval, always by another, he always pay
Yeah, you still place yeah yeah yeah.
To go. We put out his record. I produced his record under his name, which was cool Armenia, music and well, arranged kind of stuff and use
we have that go over and Armenia did it did it
Yes, it's so the song body argue that you're, referring to the crane sauntering is the one that I do with him and that's how I first published
That song is because I sang it on his record with him and
the song that used to sing when I was young and nice to hear him in kind of thing along when I was a young kid and
so it does bring back. A lot of memory seems like that was sort of thee.
The kind of launching point four year poetic mind and what is that song about? It represents something right. It's about missing home, so it's about being a diaspora in its about having a home that somewhere else. You know that
that you always longed for but you're kind of estranged from, and that you always want to return home some way. I don't know if you could or can't you know
yeah, it's a beautiful song in that way. It's interesting because, like I
it is different for me, I'm few generations down from Maya,
polish or ukrainian a russian routes
yeah. I dont know that you're. If I went back,
as a you know, as a Jew to two to Russia.
To Belarus down in a way around and I'd be. Now. This feels like to make the anger- maybe not
maybe not. What is this
feeling I would have probably going to use
in Turkey, which is where my families from you know were from central to Eastern Turkey, which was historical Armenia, so well
My family was from
wasn't where Armenia is now, where my family from his is Turkey, so I've never been back and I dont.
Think I don't know what kind of feelings I would have going to my uncle. My grandfather's village.
that he was, you know deported from
and put on a programme through the desert. I dont know what
feelings. I would have going going on this basis cool. Like I get it, I get what you feel.
So are there no Armenians in Turkey? There are some, but not you know. I mean there were millions of Armenians because they were historical homelands, there's probably I'm guessing thirty. Forty thousand any stumble, probably Hata based around. He stumbled, and
your awakening, you real
as to how disk
how the global politics worked in. In relation to admit,
or or acknowledging
the armenian genocide or calling it an a genocide that there is good
politics involved with defining NED that way,
being guided by Turkey's,
denial of it correct, and when did this happen,
for you. When did you be like well? This is this is fucked up and
when did the router you, the experience of your grandparents start to affect you personally.
I wasn't my teens somewhere my things. I remember the exact age but somewhere in my teens. You know when, when I saw that Congress had a recognised the genocide and and and they were playing with,
Gee word, and you know we knew that Turkey was spending millions of dollars on you know lobbying.
firms, chemistry, loving firms trying to not get, though
armenian genocide, recognising the United States Congress and unlike happen,
this being a democracy like how could this be? How could this be happening?
and tat made me really. You know look into what are the reasons why the history behind this denial? What's you know
Why is this happening? And that made me an activist on many grounds, because I thought ship if this things not recognised,
sperience. Your economic purposes as you,
as was the seller, patchy helicopters to their NATO ally, Turkey,
then how many other truths out there that are being denied, because someone's proof,
running from it or debt or because a foreign policy or whatever, whatever fucked up you know,
I think there is that that made me inactive yeah I get. It seems like. Ultimately, it informed almost all of the system record's either
specifically or in a broader way. You are pushing
again something again
you know that sort of like bright the brain,
fucking and the mind numbing and the hypocrisy, and-
I know that the murder, the bombing the jet like there is not not to
light hearted really and not
you think I'd veiled and
and I think that what I see or what I
can pick up. Is that there is a general sense of anger,
in a lot of metal music
yours was rooted in something historical and it was something historical that also spoke to her
conditions everywhere. In turn,
of of power in politics right
Absolutely no. I mean our music became
My music became somewhat, not all of it, because you know we're knowledge like rage against the mission. That's all political, because we
also have funny song in songs about love and many things, but definitely
A part of my music has always been socio political. You know, because there's assert the the
the activists in me once his say through my
music once to say through the artist in me, right and also, but that the balance is funny, saw
love songs. I mean that that
there has to be some aspiration. Do you know you can do the politics? We got it fixed everything because look we can laugh and we can
yeah and daily thorough job
but being a rage, I mean you and Tom Marilla. Were I mean
you somehow found yourself together. Are you decided to work together on some that seem to make perfect sense, definitely
He saw common I've been friends for a long time and when we
it was. There was an action that you wanted to do in Santa Monica, where they had come up with
the local businesses had come out of the law that you can't feed you home
and so we kind of,
together on that topic and decided to break the law and invite media to focus on the topic that the city was trying to
outlaw feeding, homeless people as a way of getting rid of them, and so that's what we
started our Non profit organization called axis of justice that we had for a number of years. We had a rate
You're sure caveats gave us a radio network for years together.
And really enjoyed working with each other?
we still do. He does his own activism. I do my own, but I'm very inspired by the amount of
medication. He has in hard work that he puts into everything that he does
oh yeah, yeah now and the end in any he's always it seems, like he's, always been doing that that I get even
we are even with their age would like from the beginning. It seem that's what it was about, always true to himself so
I know I didn't know about the situation Armenia before the most demand.
Prime minister, you took took over, but
but it was pretty straight up a dictatorship right.
No, it wasn't a dictatorship mark, it was
was actually we had free press from the beginning since ninety ninety one, it wasn't addicted,
the ship, but it was more like more like
gangs of New York and away like were a bunch of bodies were oligarchy. They have held the monopolies,
controlled the system from back in the russian days, no, not not from back in the russian days, but most of those soviet republics were similar in that sense. That you would, I mean sometimes they'd have a dictator that state and place like Lukashenko
still been there from the russian days. It wasn't.
I've dealt with them, but they are
I mean how do I explained, as it was only article I mean they were. They were like a group of people. There
money, they all siphoned money away from public policy,
and you couldn't get a fair shaken the cords, because, if someone
new someone. Then they would have the you know. They would have the upper hand, you could pay off com
stuck anything use basic corruption. It was basic. You know you
it wasn't legalise corruption.
If the EU, as it was,
oversupply boys in urging it wasn't it wasn't turkey. No it wasn't there d gone, we ve always had a free press. Armies are way to opinionated to be able to win
stand any type of dictator, but we were living under. You know
an unjust corrupt system and people were leaving because they were looking for work elsewhere. The data and get a fair shaken the country and wait wait when did that happen because it in I know that you took some flak,
you know, in the aftermath of nine eleven, because
of the timing of what was the third album early, second toxicity and
That day, you know you were you were a political activists then, and in your reaction, which wasn't incur
act was just the timing of it, of course,
got you the attention that it did
twice, who the fuck is, this guy? Is he one of em?
exactly exactly so.
I am in so you know.
it's it's kind of funny or mentioning this, because we just got your metal haemorrhages just said that toxicity was the best recorded best metal.
I could have the twentieth century or whatever best rock rigour which
which is huge, but why
I can think about. Is the stress and anguish around that record
because when we released the single chop, Suey from toxicity in other ways
great Britain, but a little me that that's all right,
It was crazy. I mean their release was on the week of nine eleven. They took our song off the air, along with a bunch of other songs rage against a machine songs. You know
all sorts of music and clear channel, had
answered like the whole playlists of of
is it which is really worth looking back at it now, if you think about it,
and I had written a piece called understanding oil that I posted ribands website a day after nine eleven trying to
and understand what was going on, trying to kind of
basically saying that look with as it as a country with propped up.
Dictators in the Middle EAST in the last fifty years. You know we do. You know
Look! We're we're supporting our doing at an end really asking for multilateralism in terms of going after what
responsible, not you know
being unilateral, like George W Bush, when you was gone
to be etc, etc, and you know
kind of funny because now they're using it, for you know, college essay
learning. I catch piquant budgets like twenty years later, you know, but
the time he was like a really put us on the edge the label asked us to take it off the website.
And called me in there, like you're, a smart guy you're trying to get us killed. What the fuck are. You doing you know and unlike
It's the truth.
must have been a little scared. Don't know I was very scared, sure yeah we were getting threats. I tell you, madam you got a devil, got big balls in terms of how you handle that, but I have to assume that you know
You must have been out of your mind. I don't I'm just
I'm I'm dedicated to the truth in a very naive way.
and that's all I have to say so.
For me, it was just like it's the truth, and I've learned since mark that there are many
times, is not the only time in history where you can speak.
True them public opinion hasn't caught up to that on the way I get that yeah and you give you guess
black for that and then later in revisionist history or whatever you want to call it you're, like oh yeah
that made sense that that totally makes sense right right at the end, if you're lucky you're alive and you haven't been ruined right here. You know
You can appreciate your ear.
It's never vindication, because what happened were you know the invasion of Iraq, which literally have nothing to do here on eleven, and yet they try to make that link WMD all that stuff, which we now know is non existent.
so you never really feel good. Unless
Something good happens from it yeah, but you by your awareness, is not nothing in. All of this is building your sort of your personal, political and an philosophical, an activist capital, for you know what you want to accomplish right right. So what
it comes down to it, are stepping up with what
your home country with Armenia, like with systematic,
down popular in Armenia immediately on the first sub, no, not at all, nobody knew who we were, and I think
it was after this I'm guessing it was
the second record, but it was also a bar bans- activism having to do with awareness of the genocide that really
a kind of touched upon
the armenian kind of heart, and you know the idea
you know you. If I go to London now, an old lady will come up and hug me not because she listens to system over down, but because she knows that.
abandoned, I have been working
towards the recognition of the genocide for years. Right hasn't edge. Doesn't love that second album
those alone as a good, although she's not into she's not tomorrow, is that Eu Nose, like so there's
There is definitely that aspect of it, but it seemed like by the time you guys go there. The first time I mean it would seem to me they Armenians, would see your names and be like look Armenians, yeah
They were dead because it is. It looks like by the time you got there yet
thousands of people that identified with
with you and your band and end the message. True. Yes, that was
in about twenty years after we formed a ban and
You know we ve been asked to go, and that was the perfect time for the ban to go and it was it was
before the revolution was three years before the revolution yeah. So
It was two thousand fifteen, the set their hundred,
the anniversary of the armenian genocide and
the government invited the band.
m M play a free shown Republic Square, the he noted we get into they did they did because I you know in two thousand and thirteen I had written an open letter to the president at the time circulation
in kind of basically,
calling him out on vote rigging, and you know you know basically taking the
Elections are in an endemic.
Way, and we have letters, exchange back and forth within depressed
openly site. I channel
stem, and but they knew that when it came to the genocide of my dedication to
story and and the importance of the recognition that basically I would
no, we would play to showing that we would represent?
our nation having to do with the recognition of the genocide and anyhow
Written adversary was huge, was Germany recognise a genocide. The Vatican reckon
as the genocide? Officially, you know many
Other countries came into the recognition sphere, but I
so I had to kind of speak truth: the power from stage the truth sermons
call it an end,
also when it was time, I asked
they started. You know the sister.
Thinking of my grandparents, both of my grandparents up, I felt like they were there and sparing with me and
I started just talking and basically you know talk.
about the fact that Obama had
the candidate, you know blamed George,
Bush for not recognising the armenian genocide, but when he became president because of
The NATO links of turkey and stuff, like that he didn't record
as the genocide properly and talk
the armenian government at the same time and said: listen, you know you got,
we got to change this. This is this is now right, there's injustice right, and so this is two thousand fifteen, so this is long after many years after mesmerizing hypnotize. So, like I I I mean so by this point,
oh Armenians, knew your band exactly so like
that story, though, because you like, I thought that you know there was something kind of amazed.
about a year
turning away Atlantic records when you're
for that. That's interesting. That is an interesting story. I'm trying to remember me you're right, but you'd unity had of record outright. Here too,
yeah. No, I we had our records out. What you know I had I had. I had a small imprint
a label, and I had signed this ban from from Texas called thirty Midland, really great progressive rock band. So, but it was about your imprinted. Wasn't about that this system, the records it wasn't about system over thou know. Yet it was about another band. Andy.
so we sign them too to our imprint, because we found a really interesting and then we
try to get a distribution deal for them with a major label which you would do at the time
and so there are a number of labels interested Universal Atlantic and a couple of others. So they flew,
how to New York to kind of present
the band and can it do their picture?
like take him out to dinner smooth, do their pictures right, so each country
he did their pitch Atlantic. You know how to
a pigeon, and we had a great meeting with them in Craig Common was a friend these, though you know him
runs. The label still runs a label as far as I know, and
by the end of our meeting, he said he
you wanna come in said the old man and unlike old man,
oh mother, too good you're, the guy that signed you know Zepplin
Ray, and you know like all these amazing bands like he was a legend right, am I sure, I'd love to meet him
so I went and sit down seventies off using I man he sent you mean he's like
He did every have re. Charles did everything. I know. I know it's incredible, so I sat
with him, I'm talking to him and I'm
I'm so appreciative of what you have done you you know, amazing, I'm so grateful. Thank you for meeting me, except whatever
and then somehow it came. I use Turkish, obviously, and I said by the way I'm armenian and I grew up in LOS Angeles and stuff and immediately goes all the first person we had in our labor was armenian, almost defensively like a black frightened like that kind of a you know, response and I,
Unlike ok, I'm not gonna put much into this whatever, so we get them
talking whatever and then tell me
still you know met with him and left
I'm on my way back that internet on the plane- and I got on in something- was working me inside an item
his name Ahmed out again, and then I wrote
we're genocide behind it and my jawdropping, when I say
I would rather you know he
his dad apparently was the ambassador of Turkey to the United States we long ago in the night,
in thirties and his dad was instrumental in holding back a film about the armenian genocide called the forty days. A moose Adele by friends were full friends work.
but as a jewish german author who had written a huge
you spoke about the armenian genocide in nineteen thirty, so he
convince them GM not to put out that movie rights that right he aims
Ahmed Erdogan had
paid millions of dollars to. U S
think tanks and also university chairs, set up university chairs,
who had hired authors
to deny the armenian genocide while so he gets yeah. So
then? I had to like. I was like in this weird conundrum. Now
I'm trying to sign this deal to label and only how did this happen with an american ban from Texas like how does this
haven't any kind it. How do I get into these things now? You're the current year, you're on the integrity lining now on the integrity line again accidentally or I like I'm had no idea so now, I'm like what do I do and the store
he's very interesting. We don't get into that much who, in the film but slight, I told my friend
the common who were on the label. I you know, I said I'm not gonna hold this against. The label obviously goes. That's not fair, but I'm telling you the pros and cons of your label. The pros and cons of the other labour. We're looking at so you're aware that band hasn't made a decision yet I'll get back to you when they do, but
Our conversation was over. I said, there's one more thing that has nothing to do with business. Can I talk to you about a year and, unlike the old man,
what about the old man, I told them what happened? I put his name in the word, genocide behind it and discovered all these things. He goes
let me look into it and call you back. I said no,
after all good you know
Apparently he told me later that you went into a majority guns. Office typed
amid Erdogan, genocide on Ahmed Arrogance, computer, yeah, yeah, and
listed all the stuff because
the army basically told Craig. How does he know this stuff
These are the editor I tag is probably right.
and so you did that and then he added
they call me, and he said I made was to speak to you and I'm like ok cool. Let's talk so he called
He called you cause man he's like all. You know. That was a long time ago when we started that chair that right,
there is gone and all that stuff even said. I believe the armenian genocide should be recognized. I have friends
As you know, Turkey, some friends with the Prime minister. I have a house in Turkey all this stuff less
together in talk. Why don't I fly you in, and I
I thought about it, and I said I admit I said. Listen I'd be happy to me.
With you I got no problems in talking to you about it, but I said
ultimately my whole career has been based.
I'm telling my grandfather story and the truth about the armenian genocide,
If I'm to work with someone, that's you know,
spent money and help the denial of that genocide is going to make me look like a hypocrite, so
If you want to work with me, I need a letter from you that says I omitted to go on record.
As the armenian genocide. I promise
not to publicize it. Unless I get,
I turn into another? Why don't you want the European Union,
what do you call it? A urundi dead there did security deposit.
Security deposit right. He goes. I can't do that
and I said well, why not? He said
because they burn my house in Turkey, and I said
don't do it. I wouldn't want anything to happen to you or anyone else like why
wise and stuff
if you think about it, maybe there's another way in and nothing ever happened of it now to my
read it. I never told the banned this story until after
he made a decision and they decided.
to go with universal, not Atlantic at the time, so I did
have a problem with that within. You even have to tell him that you have to tell my guy got their personal problem. It's a genocide thing is just a little genocide being right, yes,
You crazy, like some of these situations, that at that I've kind of just been thrown,
took, I always say what I mean but there, but what a beautiful negotiation on some level that you know
that by doing that, and not just its-
side of maturity is an activist who not just act. Reactionary like and say you know, fuck you fuck Atlantic record's fuck, you right
No, because the people are learning crackers were great like day they were really. There are really a great label, but but for him to do to meet you where you live in and say what this is. What's up, you know I'd. I believe
is now an end at the time we did this but end
Ultimately say I can't do that because of the threat to my
livelihood to my liking, I'm not willing to do that, but that gave you an out. It gave me enough, but
it's not so much the business thing I was worried about, but
It also shows what arrogance: Turkey is a archaeology and
regime, a verdict on the leader of Turkey, his eyes, his
Turkey is very, its dictatorial, is completely dictatorial and he's got huh.
thousands of people that is put in jail since the coup you know been killing.
Kurtz left and right,
invader, Syria invading Libya them
entering in trying to drill in the Mediterranean next to Greece and Cyprus Right helping
another dictator invade our task,
with Azerbaijan and bringing in Syria numerous they're using syrian mercenaries up as proxy armies everywhere now you know
I'm hoping I'm really hoping that blinking invite and put a stop to this once and for all
and it seems that, like you know in terms you're, so a career that you outside of system and once you started
I think relaxed and
our own skin around your activism and actually saw progress in terms of
the message in terms of
of raising awareness and doing the things it activists do and then ultimately, you're being invited
the Eve of Revolution to Armenia to be, therefore, for that success in debt,
and then the Prime Minister said he sort of credited. You write for inspiration
he was there in the crowd a year. When I met him when, when I went to Armenia, he was there in the
watching system of down with his wife and an you know, he told me that he thought in and we showed in the film that he said, look
if you can bring fifty thousand people out there, we should be
bill to bring some people to the square and change this country for the for the better it gave her
hope you know, but but honestly,
then you know there was amazing work. The visa, the whole revolution story, the red or we gotta
I'm coming out. Another film I,
car producing score
I called. I am not alone, it's an award winning film and its
documentary about the two thousand eighteen velvet revolution in armenia- we're gonna put it out this year and
a kind of goes through the hall. It shows you how the revolution happened like from
they want, and you know all the ups and downs. The whole story line is really
I'll gun same director who did truth, the power gutting of uneasy and also directed through.
I am not alone and and your talk
earlier about the idea of the soft revolution, what what? What what it had a that have their tactically work,
Decentralized. Civil disobedience dissolve yet decentralized. Civil disobedience here so at first
You know most revolutions that we know like we see it in Belarus, Myanmar elsewhere, there
everyone gathers in a square lol
numbers, the police. Are there
it's either violent or non violent right is if the police reacted, there might be violence, a lot of arrest this that and then
happen in the beginning and armies had you know we're very outspoken people, and so we
You ve had a protest almost every year since it
dependence because you see there are an issue based protest or whatever different things.
Because people were unhappy, but
learned from these former protest that look
if we all gather in a square
they're going either arrest us right,
or there's gonna be violence, and we don't want either like we don't want it to be violent revolution. They they stuck to their nonviolent,
There is very strongly Sunday.
And can everything they were trying failed like they're, trying to get
nice people meeting.
Square? Not many people showed up. Do this. Do that and then
They started gaining momentum as soon as they realised that people were
current prime minister, who was the revolutionary leader negro pushing on Facebook, live anywhere like shit, ok, so,
He ran and put himself in front of a bus. I mean this is a member of parliament in Armenia. Ok, here
random put himself in front of a bus in public, but by us in the middle of central.
Square in the capital and refer,
to get up unless the piano told the bus to run over him if he really needs to go.
Kid saw him do that and started
blocking intersections all over the country wherever they live, so you don't
have to go to cap it all to the central square. You want to protest,
unblock your little street next to you, they saw
doing that. The whole country shut down the whole country, shutdown and then at that
point. They had the government's attention. Ok
and then there were like they took it up
that further there, like ok tomorrow, every bust, every truck driver in the country where
however, you are noon, stop and hung the law
noise ever made in Armenia likely. You know like this
ok, you know just learning not violent did not chaotic nonviolent non chaotic right,
no, no hurting people if the police they told them. If the police come to, you run
Don't get arrested, don't fire run, but then come back and reclose street because you ve got them in numbers.
it can't overwhelm you. The people are always more than the admins,
grace right, but they ve been the inner ear, your sort of hoping for a non fascistic response, yes and you
an end. Luckily we had so many protests, and so many previous things,
that the government was also wary of strong crackdowns.
Because they ve done that before in its bid them in the ass right. So they were careful. So
but these people were also like the police are brothers and sisters less, not you know less unharmed them. They were dead.
The whole Gandhi approached a blue protesters, so he was a very unique thing to watch and
you know as someone who is an activist, my whole life, seeing something like this anywhere would be interesting, let alone arming the small country of Armenia, and so they did it
and it succeeded at one point: the government officials were taking ambulances to go to their offices because they couldn't the airport.
Was closed. Everything was loaded, it gonna get anywhere. They had them on their knees and is
I'll, let you watch the film so that you can learn the whole story, but I
there's a lot to learn
from that example that can be replicated elsewhere in the world, whether its Hong Kong Bela Ruse, Myanmar anywhere because
There is a way by
choosing numbers in
peaceful manner to overwhelm the system now? Obviously
It won't work everywhere there, the policeman
the extremely violent they might kill. People are obviously there's there's no man,
Jack formula, but there is something unique and is that that could be very useful while an end and it worked,
The key was will was honoured,
and you were invited back
or the salaries item back then
I landed at the airport. I remember market. As soon as we got out of the airport, the streets were full of people elated.
not smiling, not happy, not rockin, real or their parting, but like young, that I'm never simulation in my life. That was a unique experience. It was as if they were freed from
indentured servitude of some type. You know the gear.
Which is beautiful thing to see beautiful
and just dubious
more part of it was, was extremely exciting and it gave me a decade of x.
the life, I'm sure and
just to see that change occur was was really touching. Really touching him.
When did the United States finally acknowledge officially the genocide in Armenia, both house
of Congress? Recognize it in December? Two thousand? Ninety, just two years ago, a hundred and four years after they happened, it happened. Yeah yeah
we too to furnish the Congress House of Representatives has in nineteen seventies and eighties, not Senate, but
of representatives had recognized the genocide solely, but but
both houses, so never became law really right,
President Reagan was the only president whose actually ever used the word genocide to to talk about what happened to me. You know Ptarmigans, so yeah, that's is quite interesting, but now it's on
record now. It's on the record in terms of Congress or hoping like. I said that President Biden takes that, as you know,
as official policy in, and you know again, this would have no bearing on Turkey in terms of the doesn't mean,
They can't do trade with Turkey, the, U S, cathode ray or whatever it doesn't have teeth, but Turkey still pissed
Because there are still denying that therein,
sisters committed this atrocity?
The whole world knows about unity,
European Union, European Parliament, France
the whole world majority of the world and many countries have recognised the genocide and they are still hanging on to that.
That it didn't happen or was a war. It happened during or everyone guys that kind of a thing. He said the same thing about the Holocaust: didn't they at first, you know and the
difference Mark- is that there were no Nuremberg trials after the armenian genocide brand. You know what I mean.
No one was held accountable. No one was
in place their words.
I view knows military tribunals by Turkey itself who basic
clean condemned the those that,
the atrocities in absentia. They had already fled the country to Germany, mostly Germany, Argentina, that gun that kind of stuff, just like just like, after the hollow
caused by are the names out there do people know who they are is documented here.
Yea. I owe you a couple of a more taken out by assassins and you know
and then they were yeah dad, dad I'll fled and but then
It happened in Turkey, as you know, after the war is different than what
happened in Germany after World WAR to Turkey felt because
because the the powers that be
Peter Turkey, the West, basically
Where were there there were any stumble, and, and now they have to deal deal with what it? What are the repercussions? What do we do now right and pray,
Woodrow Wilson of the: U S he had a plan,
was based on justice rather than based on June.
political realities and needs of resource acquisition of the United States. So he went to
treaty at the time and basically said we need this
the League of Nations, which is the precursor of the United Nations Ebay.
sickly said that a part of it
Thorkel Armenia, which is in Turkey, should be given back to the Armenians that the United
They should act as guarantor
of that land and make sure the security that kind of thing, because these people,
were slaughtered one and a half million Armenians died. That was fifty percent of our population. At that time
a Congress shot him down, because Congress said everyone's interested in their oil. Why are you coming to us with this stuff? You know because the odd
an empire covered Iraq, IRAN, right
all parts of the Middle EAST or oil. You know Saudi Arabia right, Lebanon, Syria,
you know, so that was all Ottoman empire. So everyone was more interested in oil, then doing a Nuremberg trials, type of situation after the genocide in after World war, one
is a power grab and an oil grab go and it was. It was so that explains why debt that denial was allowed to exist for a hundred your aid right,
because everybody was trying to get their peace exam
now the solar work. It seems like like your stuff. The way you kind of
branched out and the way you kind of like were able to
yeah, we I mean, do you guys? You have what you do together with the ban, but it seemed like you add more org.
A straw and more
you know, sir, do you want to push the envelope in a different direction? You're, not them!
idle direction, but yes,
bring more artists
taken a more purely artistic way,
It reminded me a little bit of zapper. You know you
your personal Emma here instead of your liking, fuck it man here
but the I am. I am it
before his wife Gale died. I had the immense opportunity to go and, with my camera, guys cause
I always had the idea of making a film, but I didn't know what I was making a film about. I was just recording, interesting
experiences, but I had to
the cover of yet
the snow for francs birthday on items years ago, and
like all that, so cool gale wants to say thank you. If you ever need anything online, I would
after come by the studio sometime there like sure, come on. Did you
Are there? No, I didn't record there
You just take a look around here.
Look around at a camera guy with me in and we take a couple of hours, nice. Exactly well frank,
very interesting in terms of Armenia. He talk truth
the power to everyone in everything, from hypocrisy to politics too, you know
that remember him on a Novak show and all the video yeah yeah man in that the Alex Winters Doc is pretty good. The new doc,
You watch it on Fragile Ireland, a word
You know it's like you know. He did you. I didn't know what to think and but
did he he did a really nice job, the injured.
thinking about Frank that you start to realise that it is that he was so. You kind of like pigs
asked an inspired Orchestral II.
that is almost as if, like you know, they eat
rock and roll. You have forced him to
because mind, and to do this thing that he didn't necessarily really want to do is to get the freedom to do. The thing that he really wanted to do.
Like he was like fuck. You pay me for saying: fuck you and I'm gonna go right. This peace,
music no one will understand ray,
yea, I know his genius visa. He did have some amazing orchestra. I mean he was enough. Even more
the rock band he added more as an ensemble that he was directing and now he was also a bad ass. Guitarist right, tellingly Vienna. He d
because just like there's just mountains of work, I'm not a full zap ahead by but like
now as a person
as a musician is totally impressive in special,
If you watch a dark and see where it was all sort of came from, you accuse him in,
heaven be far out in Lancaster, like that very like
shit. Out of me, I made a desert in the back.
the desert, but but you work with it.
Orchestra, I mean ours that must have been like. I do feel like you, ve done everything you want to do create an ever. There is always some while you have unbroken yet re. Oh yeah yeah.
No- I've worked with twenty four different orkut
because I've done a bunch of at least two dozen orchestral shows around the world have written the symphony called
orca and have done a jazz recurred called Jesus Christ with a bunch of cool jazz at friends.
and I must be going film scores as far as new releases. Besides the eap might I'm doing a lot of foam scores, some scoring a bunch of films released them as soundtracks, and
It's fun because each record is a different ask. As far as a type of music. It's a different director, different vibe at different times
sure, yea and so that's tells operative and it's a different set of the other is a different type of creativity and correct
yeah you're working here too,
river complete someone else's vision, exactly exactly here
and I met some cool director friends that keep on you. Don't give me more work, which is great, and so I enjoy it
enjoy doing that, but yeah. My solar work is definitely I mean there's the rock like. I have a few rock wreckers like hierarchy.
The city is mostly rock. My first wreck
the first one yeah yeah that was rock
but then I also have orchestral stuff like imperfect, harmonies and obviously orca my symphony, and you know just just new boundaries, nuth new fun stuff, to try
they do and how are you and their fellows from system again on really well
really. Well, I mean we got together last year for do we did to saw.
when the war started in and
our second Armenia. We realise the need for
We realise that there is a false parity in the press. I gave em BBC and Al Jazeera. We're not reporting it correctly, because no one was sending anyone to go under those bombs at first you know and to report the truth. They lay
her went BBC specifically when an arm, but at first there was this. It took them a week,
The two and you're just saying all boats, I blame each other for the attacks and bull shit like
this is not. Boats are blaming. You know. One sided act right is that right arm so
you know an end so when we wanted to make it clear that
There was this information misinformation
There and that we wanted to show the truth, so we put
two songs, one is called protect the land there
her genocidal humanoids. We made
he was for them and we release them and
it was really
we felt amazing, because when we debated the proceeds to the army, a fund which is a nonprofit in Armenia, dealing with you,
an italian aid except for rehabilitation of soldiers.
And we ve
It felt really good to do something above and beyond ourselves, and that made us get together creatively kind of just
It was an important whether you know
this song is perfectly in this thing or
this sound better. It was more like. Do you have a song for this great, let's fuckin recorded, let's put it out next week. Like listen, you know,
will the level? What do we do it? We have to call the label yeah technically we do you know I will tell him we're releasing whither without them, because this is for our people, fuck, that you know so it was one of those where just like boom. You know the inertia was so strong that we land
a land really well. It landed really well, it broke number one
through some of this information, which we actually have reports,
from you know, seeing that kind of stuff and
people responded really well and and Armenians in Armenia were really enthuse cause. They didn't feel.
like they were alone. You know like they found my care. Do you know that's a huge thing:
you know we raise. Some funds will raise like seven hundred grand that we were able to donate saw. So I think I think that was an incredible effort and I'm really proud of system over down my my brothers and system of down that we were able to galvanise and do that
well, good man, that's great. You seem great and in great work
giving some live where they a life of integrity, and you have made changes. I try body
like you, I tried try
good talk, any man. Thank you for an incredible. In our view, and at an incredible talk, I look forward to seeing you one day. Yeah. Thank you for educating me. Thank you
now. I know now. I understand more about Armenia, about my neighbors about the struggle
about a struggle about what struggle is about. What activism is? Are we doing enough?
Are you doing enough? Am I doing enough
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