Sally Struthers is thinking a lot about the passage of time these days. For one, this year is the 50th anniversary of All In The Family premiering on CBS. She’s also thinking that so many people she worked with in movies like Five Easy Pieces and The Getaway are no longer with us. And she’s thinking about how all this downtime from the pandemic is keeping her from doing what she loves: touring the country in stage productions. Sally talks with Marc about how time catches up with all of us, but also how she can look back fondly and with gratitude on what has passed.
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What's happening a mark mare- and this is my podcast- welcome to it. If you have it,
been here for a while welcome back if you ve never been here, welcome
interesting time to show up. How are you
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I don't know you you just walking off the street. How do I don't fucking know you man, I'm not saying
can't be your bottom fuckin know you should just relax, hang out see if you like it. If not speak
but if you do just listen and then
being a couple weeks when I came in, I you walk into my gay there's. A guy would then made
you can say, allow talk a little bit and they made.
after a month or so
the guy. You walk in and like a thief. What's
Joey, Hey Stacy
how's it Goin Janine. What's up, how have you been Debbie good to see you here
how are you melody? How are you what's happening? What's goin on kid,
you not a fan,
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so just hang out with it's gonna be dicey. You over there
first few weeks between us, it always is anyone who has ever waste into they show there. I got it. I get the beginning
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nice, nice nice to have you as it is now we're doing all right
today on the show. So
I struthers and I know,
some people think I'd really what she'd been what she'd been up to eat. You know some,
nice. People are just working, I mean just because you haven't seen somebody or you know them from one of your a kid doesn't mean they don't have a life after that, just cuz, you don't see them anymore, so weird thing about being a public person. Everyone assumes that, because they don't see it, that guy must have crapped out must have tank must have failed
they died must have got. Sick must acquit. Sometimes
sometimes it's true but
not in this case, Sally Struthers has been out on the road
She she does a lot of touring theatre, she's, a big
Major touring stage actor doing a lot of the big national productions of musicals like hello, Dolly and Annie she's
they're, doing the work go in town
the town do
a few weeks here, a few weeks there singing songs being funny, she was funny.
but I don't want to talk to her for a long time. She actually didn't episode or two and was at one or two episodes of my show.
The last season on Marin how we ve always talked about having around the pike ass. She doesn't do a lot interview she's when these people- it's like, I'm not
I am a dial phone. You know that kind of thing
but this year is the fiftieth anniversary of all in the family said this this kind of thing
job with that. We thought it would be a good time and its it.
it's hard to four:
at what a singular talent
Sally Struthers is, I mean
The two movies
the two major movies that I remember that you
before all the family that when you see her in it, you like, oh, my god- is that so
They struthers. She saw
Fucking good in them in the Bin,
part. She has shown small
Art and five easy pieces would Nicholson and she's great.
And she's got an amazing part.
In the get away with Steve Mcqueen we're
who plays the veterinarians, wife and she's genius in that.
And obviously she's great his Gloria. But I just I wanted to talk about
I'll send you now and Nicholson in and out,
I can pine doing those movies and, of course, on the family and just
doktor about where she comes from, but she is in a unique comic talent.
Sally Struthers. I talked to her today. Hey
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I felt a common on oil chills you're in there just kind of weak lethargic sickish, like it's kind of accept
or maybe this is it basically felt
I felt the nag the pool
the viral pool
fuck and so.
so I've gotta seeking for a day and then you know
Yesterday was ok, it was
Right but that
first day. I felt it and I was knocked out, but can I stay
I stayed engaged. I stayed mobile. I ran a bunch of unnecessary Aaron's,
they didn't need to do, is to stay alive and engage neck like I was really sick. I took a kind of easy but Debray
did feel something, but fortunately today
dammit, the kitten is like getting big he's out about. It seems
buster is accepting him in
kind of playing buster
resigned to the fact that ok, I live with it.
kit now and Sammy's very entertaining? But now I just EAST is coming into that age ways
got the energy and the stubbornness and the belligerents to destroy everything in my house. That means anything to me. I just feel it
he's gotta keep an eye on those kids like. What's he gonna ruin my records, my guitar,
my rugs, my furniture, my guitar amp
you gonna chew up those
photographs and I have my doubts.
Is he it what you doing it busy going to eat cords? Is he going to do any? Is he ever going to play with any
these toys I bought him know. Is he gonna destroy something? I really like absolutely. What are those things you'll know when he destroyed them?
so that's what I'm out with the cat.
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such behaviour based on light, if not even a panic, but it happened with the.
Palmer to man. I was like just like. I put things off.
And then I like a worry
I gotta get him done.
I want to get him done.
And sometimes they happen immediately like I was overcome with the need to make brisket so that become one,
An essential and now
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that's a problem.
and I can remember the name of the former had
a guy come overdue, the rat you do the rue during snake, it out snaky snake out of sync.
I could do it myself, but I can't see the where this pipe goes. It goes right to the floor.
It's out of my pay great
My plumbing we'll house.
under the sink I can handle bound over. This goes gotta bring
With a big snake, some
can trying to figure out what the plumbers name is now, I'm in my office and I'm workin on my front window, I see a truck
Dr Bides, his cane deep plumbing, candy routers item. That was it
I look it up now call the number
an answering machine picks up like a it's me baby. What's up man, I think you're here once before
My showers gettin clogged up. I needed to need you come over snake it
drove by in the truck. I just saw you dry by in the truck I'm over here on Blah Blah street, and I need you to just come
you can call me back. I just needed a snake. It you're here once before Man commie backers. My number that intensive,
and then I'm workin on line and rise. That's not that wasn't the guy
wasn't out, I'm thinking of guy used during my other house and was-
different initials. Had nothing
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placing sounds like some sort of switchboard
Mikey age that my dress on record.
you know you did that dashed the sink
she's out of your dress and my guess is a chain she's like yes, nation,
I am like this. I don't know you
the wrong one, I'm sorry, lady! I'm sorry
and I actually realise hey
fuckin organised. Won't you
look the receipts in the file.
Marked household stuff. So I found it
I called the right guy
an appointment. I got a call back the other guy who doesn't pick up and oppression
according to the opera
is, they never pick up their phone so make this,
I can call
It's me I called you earlier turns out. I don't know you
never came to my house, not on you. It's not your fault. I just got excited. I saw the truck, but I don't need you
I thought you were somebody else thanks.
Sorry, for the trouble
its mark at
LA street. Here's my number, don't worry about it, though sorry man, I got another guy that went to the guy found the guided did before now.
Our no foul no hard. For you.
five can be weird and any that, but
Does call me back alone, plumber, Mikey. I don't. I don't need you, I'm sorry, man
It's ok, I'm my god. It's ok, man,
do not do you want me to Emma down on I gotta covered? Ok, ok by that guy's got my number.
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Sally Struthers, as I mentioned before, is here because I love her. I did it
the fiftieth anniversary of all in the family. There's a lot of talk in here about her early movies as well.
some talk about Norman, we're. That's a little different, then
How Katy Seagal was,
talking about him. In the last episode
So this is me talking to the
if a kind, so
We Struthers Valley. Now, how are you yeah relax?
This is so hard. I live in about nineteen.
Sixty eight y. Why you're doing that yourself,
I would be doing something to myself if I attempted to.
Learn how to turn on and worker, computer or or a fax machine or the Althea movie on TV. I care.
I'm not good with buttons, but I'm a highly intelligent human being just don't gimme buttons, no buttons. Now
Buttons place, if you say you noticed nothing, I'm wearing has a button on this matter.
They'll thing your whole life with the buttons.
now who had buttons until
I mean you dial, the FAO, the word there.
What news I understand, sir, but how
the buttons on your shirt, the same as the buttons on a phone? Oh, I was just down
joking being amusing.
Now here's the deal? Ok
A man, linear thinker, ok,
I am a great if you go from a to b and be the sea shore. You take me mark your movie that jumps between present and pass. The fifteen minutes tops I'm out of there
did you like. I lost
so is this: is it a condition or something? You noticed a view we have recently met? Why don't we name o you? You ve, never talk to somebody about it. Now,
so you have you ever nonlinear sensitivity.
I like that LINEAR also, Sir LINEAR Short, lived
nonlinear sensitivity is good and
as I have been, alas, knife, I guess we should do we
you should be the did you like the source of it, the that did. We discovered it, and now
he's be put in a doctor manual. Maybe it will eventually be in Oxford, English, dictionary,
got ready willing to seek new things in every area. I hope so. Have you been seen you in a few years,
I haven't seen you since I licked you from your Adams. Apple under your chin appear ass, a rear mouth and upon to your nose,
and one of your moustachios stuck in my t, hear what a night ha aid like
but those fine there was a fine show it was. I have no, I'm not. I was married and I never sat on the toilet in front of my husband, and I had this
My parents had to go to them.
after a while, you were right there in the shower
It was so against my nature. I mean I jumped behind a towel when the dog walks in them.
Mr Langen, that we're gonna have to get together again and have to force you to watch and non linear movie for the entire movie. We have little calming. You know we do yeah like what.
We are. Both the children of doctors,
what kind of doktor as your dad he wasn't jpg
like a small town, JP or big, tangible, pointless, not a small town from Portland Oregon yeah,
in your dad. My dad started out the military as doctors. My doktor was:
my dad was a doctor on the army base in Spokane. Washington are working for
can, I have been to Spokane. Spokane must have been kind of a glorious town. At one point, I think it must have been all I dont remember because I was there when I was a baby.
the time I was too, we look
report because it seems like there was something pretty there and there is like water running through it and some indict like mills or something there like what
this Portland like when you were a kid. I can imagine that
it's kind of gives me the creeps. Sometimes I really it's beautiful wishing to me. It's beautiful it's crazy about there's something about
There's just feels like there's a darkness there. I dont know what it is. Maybe it wasn't there when you, when you were young now,
there's a lot of Scandinavian. Seven Scandinavians are by nature, dark hearted.
Even though that talk with a little in their boats.
Some sound, so happy and singing songs here, but
They have, I mean that's why Ingmar Bergmann films are always in black and white and mean very dark. Able. Ok,
Portland Oregon has a bridge. It doesn't go over river. Those over a small
hi way the yards West out of Portland right toward the coast and is I don't know
what the real name on it is because this probably the name of the street
It's called suicide bridge o through people
or jumping when you were younger too. You know
It rains in Portland Oregon for
fifty percent in the year yeah down do people that we can't handle that emotionally. So
Wait now, did you were your parents actually did they have acts answer your grandparents it where they actually live around here? Instead, they were durable and they were from aware in Scandinavia.
Norway, where the best tomorrow best afar, come ashore Christian, Sun, nor gland,
I've been in Norway. Have you ya? It's pretty ray?
very beautiful, and you know that's why, although Scandinavians settled
up, and you know.
scan cinnamon and why they did, they were given a land are really yeah, they recurrent you. It was like I read a book about, it is about the great plains, and that was very hard country and no one had that there was no one around two who knew how to farm it.
so they they kind of gave a land grant a lot of people from Scandinavia to come figure out how
to grow on that,
country and a growth, the winter wheat and they grew there were able to make something of the land. Yeah
I dunno, but you still go up there. You took out people there. I do. I got peeps yeah.
So I have to talk about when I guessed it on your television show. Why is your problem.
Well Emerson said: I've had a man crush on you, ok
my publicist said today. You know, don't forget
Turkey will mark merit, and I said how could I forget here and
he said he saw you don't have any headphones on when it brings them headphones because it
the sound will be better and I said what
I dont want to where she had fallen well, marked Marin's. Looking at me, you are crazy, call
A great ally headphones. I thought were like the alright Mickey Mouse here. As you know, there are nineteen. Sixty eight right didn't have a mere.
it's a big high vice dead head. That's really thought that, would you picture as I thought it was, bringing a big old headphones likely. When will you do all day? Well,
the pandemic, not a heck of a lot but but but I I
Lastly, we work you like theirs
computer, you say you're not doing. What are you face time with friends? Do you d? You don't do now
what he read books I talked
the money phone or a right in the latter undeniably thrown down. Does your phones to bite alone does not now
If I am right now what we're doing your bike fat cast, I'm looking at you and my friend new cell phone, oh good food, so the cell phone you have, but that's what it's like
computer. So that's that's something I know
when it probably if I knew how to use it, but I could probably do a couple of hundred things on it, but I know how to receive a-
I'll make a call, send attacks here? Look at my attacks,
here of the ice now right again.
enough at the air. It isn't enough here as long as you're occupied near your relatively happy. That makes me happy I'm running until the pandemic. All I did was channel and right in the less.
twenty years, I've been on the road doing musicals and plays ride everyone. I talk to you you're about to go, do something. I can't remember what it was when
You did my show. You just got enough something you we're going to do something what's
the place you did alive? I'm then tablets, thirty,
but I think the ones that I actually toward where there have been the most fallen. One was hallowed Ali hotelier. What an
I've done Annie everywhere. He ass any love it. Oh my god.
but after all the years of need, sallies deriving from the hungry and disenfranchise children all over
the planet to play, a woman that hate children is delayed. Just that's right, you're that I forgot,
How could I forget, but you were there on those commercials all over the planet asking people.
Help the World Hunger saved, the save the children and that's right. Sam Kennison,
the very angry joke about you. I remember, do you remember? I doubt I don't wanna hear it now: it's ok he's dead. So that's what happened here,
yeah he's taken a dirt map and we're still here, Jack Show due Yuri still involve without charity now now,
I did. I did that for thirty five years of my life
ass, I was in Uganda. I flew in with a Bush pilot from our kids.
Gas from Nairobi in a forced
your plane and landed at the entire be airfield. Were they
They had that terrible radon Entebbe and from their catholic priests.
In his little car and drove me to
abandoned hotel on Lake Victoria
which is in Uganda. To me
the child that I've been sponsoring Damianus and they
from his village, which was quite
a few hours away. He had travelled to come meet his sponsor to meet me and I
some commercials with him and I played with him, and I brought him toys balloons. Well,
a roving band of guerrilla.
Warfare guys came out of the bushes and
ass dummy honour what he was from and hence the named as village, which was far away and they decided that we had kidnapped him and they were gonna shoot all of us, oh my god, and luckily the priest spoked their particular form.
speech, Uganda, imagine different tribes, different dialects and he
the debate just keep backing up back up back up. Don't journey back to them
just go to the car,
they carry this out. I thought
I've been on so many little airplanes that could have crashed in somebody's corporal
situations. I came back from one of my trips oversees with hepatitis
I thought what am I doing? I've got a child, a real life child on my own, and I'm gonna make her an orphan
I can't do this anymore,
Everyone in the world is making fun of me. I didn't ever
could never understand that. For the first time I found out some.
make or another made fun of me.
and then one a greeting card was
On sale, somewhere being
making fun of me. I may I.
Its dumbfounded me
you're trying to help hungry children, your father for horrible, cruel, jokes
what year throughout the world,
there's a lot wrong with it Sally. It is a lot of horrendous
people. One thing we ve learned over the last four years is that it doesn't take much to turn
most of this country into assholes is that the chairs
where they already and where they hiding it or goods, are one over. Usually I you know, I think that when you have a leader who is shamelessly a belligerent pig and misogynistic races, garbage person and he's the leader of the free world, all the
people that were hiding that inside themselves think it's
their turn to be that gap. So I mean
That's the one testament to the beauty of America is that
it's working. Those people behave themselves.
Yeah they go back under their rocks. I guess they realise that they have to tolerate things that are different.
four points of view. If the majority wants it, that's the way this works. But if
I get. It was so clear that if they were enabled who the fuck now
what they were capable of, but I think that there
I think we usually the jokes were because there,
the infomercials around what you were doing worse
Oh prevalent, they were ere you, you could not not see them right. So I think it is
came part of the cultural.
guph everything it was about.
The cause or necessarily about you are just say it was
the idea, the commercial,
as you are, if you were up at two p m
us worry how their diverse drugs and at the end, we were off
but you television sets limit. Let me tell you about the orange that whole year
orange. But how did you know? I'm? Ok, I had a thing with him. Wait
I I was touring
Neil Simon re wrote the odd couple for two women. I remember
and she who shall not be named, because I don't care for her, and I were the odd couple. We shall remark as we can figure it out:
why he'd say her name, Rita Marino,
still mean real differ,
help human being I followed a late hour.
I'm sure she was just licking you on your face.
The second readable crawl all over your man.
so that not only was she not least other women, especially when other women are talented, nodded good experience.
We'll know anyway, so
we want to her and we each week.
seemed an invitation we were in somewhere in Florida doing a couple,
the people that invested in the odd couples. Female version wanted to make sure they
their money back. If we went straight to Broadway and closed their out of money,
the main tool for nine months. First, we each by an invitation to a
with this state dinner at the White House honouring the king of Saudi Arabia. Ok, so I went.
my date and I were seated at a table together, where's my co star and her husband were different tables in the river there about ten people,
up to a round table and directly
ass for me was the orange battle here and
athletes, your dinner, I said across the table in front of everyone at our table. Listen
Must I hate things, namely the whole dogma,
Donald Trump, just
makes this can crawl poker eyes it. I just did an hour
Action in LOS Angeles, said Ellen
gallery unless younger boulevard- and I
have children's art from all over the world and we have made an framed element is gorgeous and we
made a pretty penny, but we still have half that are left its already.
Friend and mattered, and I said
show that I'm touring with is gonna open in a couple of months on Broadway, and I would love to
have another event in New York and sell the rest of the children's art to help save the children? And I
having it in the lobby of your Tower Europe
Brown but whole tower eyes and would be per,
and it is that all you gimme a calling it get to New York, yours my card and took it out, and people at the table passed around me coming
was set it up. We ve actually are
we open up Broadway. I call them up ice at some woman answer the phone you said. Well, I
said Mister trample notice about we. Had we sat at the same table added
at the White House for State Dinner tell time I'm on the phone and
She was she had left and help refinements came back on the phone said is not interested so huge.
Putting on a show he put on the shelf
for the people. The table saying that I could have my art actions
the children there and then the minute that I actually made the phone call. What do you know how it being so you found out like the rest of us, did that he's always been an asshole it didn t. I I note that for the rest of you,
Let me ask you something so how what is the process so the ever brothers and sisters? I had one system, what about you have little brother
you're in the older one. I'm the younger one, my eldest sister sue. Would, when do you start acting in Portland? Have that work? What it? How did it happen really
you really want to know that
I do find it because I want to know I want I want to talk about when you first got to Hollywood.
Well, my goal in life was to be a doctor. Like my dad,
Did you have those feelings about you haven't? I guess I didn't. I was not able to apply myself. I you know I learned YO again become college hours like this ain't gonna happen for me. I don't I don't know how to study. I don't have the discipline and I don't think I really want to do it. Ok, we will that then that was easy to decide and took. I wanted to hear that a bed in the meantime just for fun, I was in the german club. I wasn't, I didn't, plays an eye
school, but we know
started at grade school, I'm a plaque written into how my homeland should the boy
the boys in shop class he made for me here, and then they took a window
tool in the car didn't best actress in the seventh grade class place still have it
I've got it in. My whole group makes me laugh grow. I heard breakdown.
It was time to start building outlay applicants
just two colleges and I couldn't stop
My parents divorced from out of seven, so it was just my mother, my sister, neither has an
my mother got scared, because this crying went on for couple a day and she called
My father and said you ve got
come to the house,
he gave me some medicine. They make me sleep and when I woke up and are creating- and so my mother sat down on the floor, he took with him
Jason she held it enhances. She said: why is that
I now yes, you have to know: why are you upset? Is there
make a light, can do she's and do what he had written down there. She said.
Well, who said you have to be a dark guys that idea
glass, what we had to do
What am I gonna? Do I put it down for a year? I do she said
so let's do something out there like what she said
Don't you go to school? That has a great theatre department.
You could be that translates as I could
That's fine, a school, my civil! Why would they take me? I'm only them in
Plays in graceful, I suppose you don't, let's all anybody's done whether eighteen ten then one that there already in the industry. Okay,
so she's. Looking through her recalls magazine, you here
and she sees a picture of.
Raymond her course pointed and pointing out like this
an uncle SAM Poster New joke and become an actor at the past
in a blouse College of theatre arts. My mom says we're gonna work.
God application we filled it out, and my grandparents took me to Norway for the summer.
And when I got back, my mother was on the front porch waving. It
except this letter she says we got two days the. Why
Ireland and your clothes, your uncle you and and vulture, and I are going to drive you to Pasadena,
without it now is it. I was it the Pasadena play how school. Then, President Klaus College Theatre Arts was a good excellent. It was
three or college, I only went two years because at the end of my second ears, they Iris padlocked. It shut
and that was the end of it. That was it so. My mother drove down there lay under forty thousand station wagon.
Teach me from Pasadena Hollywood and she
mental Hollywood studio club for girls run by the wide w c I were there.
I got ha ha store, roominghouse
a rooming house.
And she she just fifty there yeah
Where you been on my answer two years in Pasadena Immortal,
you do. How did you get started? I had a roommate in carols Stanley and she said to me one day. She said you you're gonna, be an actress, and I said I worry I'm on a body then blocked
who plays, and I
in the past, the Implants college
said? Well, you need an agent I said, will have what do I do
she says. Well, let's get the yellow pages of mine.
he asked a sheets, you call them
agency that she saw that I could walk jokers. I didn't have a car. It was about
a mile and a half in the studio club.
Lena Blanchard Agency, so I the day,
I went and I opened the door,
and everyone in their side, the door opening in their eyes were appear somewhere, and then they came down to me here and that that was weird, so
the front desk and I said I have an appointment Nina Blanchard him. She said you do.
I said yeah
recent. Ok, what's your name, Sally Struthers just a minute, so she left the room came back out. Ok,
seeing is minutes. I went into her office
nice and wise everybody acting funny,
Why am I in the land of tall people in your outer office, she's as honey? This is a modeling agency.
I told you I said five.
Oh said, why did you guys and well my roommate at that studio, Club Carol Stanley got me disappointment, we didn't know you were modeling agency. She said well, I'm sorry dear, and I said
ok. Well before I leave,
but I do my impressions for you and she said
ok. So I
sat down on the floor and I cried
my legs indian style, a night
but my head down in my arms, my lap? I said I'm doing now my impression of a clam that turns into an oyster.
I did that and the night
that and I pointed, and I set off a pearl. Ok,
and then I said now
You do my passion of a spanish Mediterranean home.
Arms out and made a roof, and I scored out my legs like the body of the house, and then I just quite recent allay and she said okay, I say wait. I got one more so
I stood on my head in her office in saying I'm sitting on top of the world.
I was leaving and she said, wait.
Down the hall there interviewing people today for Ponds Coke
bring commercial Stan
no. I'm gonna send you down there. You should let
and this commercial I'll, be your agent. I said, ok,
so. I went on holiday when I read for it
and I went back to her office in season.
What's your phone number, I said where we have a pay phone in the hollow studio club, and this is the number
So what about four days later that was ringing in someone answered and said Struthers, you got a phone call and hello
As the main obliged agency, you landed the ponds, gulping commercial,
So I got all my quarters
I called everybody in Portland, I'm the ponds girl and the girl, because my mother and my
ants and all your popsicle cream their whole lives. I knew they were going to be thrilled actually days that you're having a little costume fitting, and I walk into Paramount studios to the Costume Department and there's a real, pretty redhead girl in there and she says hi, I'm Emily and I said I'm Sally. She said where do you hear what I said? I'm going to get a costume for a concert?
commercial, she said so am I
I'm doing one about being on the deck of the pirate ship.
and she said so am I I'm sure,
pause girl, and I said, oh, I guess
play his friend who says
Skinner so lovely what you do to keep risk. So I drove out
locked out of your mind and still didn't have a car, and I thought
myself wait a minute
thirty years how he would treat women so crappy she'll be washed up she'll be considered over the hill? I am a character actors. I will work as long as I want you like my idle loose Gordon. I do not have a problem.
Years of banners. Did you add that lay then? Oh yeah, that day, that's three
did the commercial I did?
The latter commercials is that through which started you going. I think so I got a lot of those and then I finally got a regular agent as well, and I gets hired to be a regular smothers brothers, Son Michel for at ABC and everybody thought I made up my last name, because it was just too convenient that Sally Struthers was on his mother's brothers, show how
this guy's, oh, my god, I love them,
Was it fine heavy Emily episode? Did you do what we do in sketch her? It was summer yeah sketch it was Sunday shouts was were eight weeks.
And from that from my work on that, I went directly after
the eighth weakens their onto the tin timely comedy our he's kind of a genius right
oh my god, he's so funny ages, your site, I'm your wisdom, Jesse, you can't Europe, you like Harvey Corpsman, trying older dinner, you can't yeah and
Our producers, sambo brick and Run Clark, had a brilliant idea.
because it wasn't him in out
strip around the block in
so they decided that they would make the shall look like it had a very poor budget right.
and that was the whole theme of the comedy for everything and they made his first show on the air they came on and September. His Christmas show
can't TIM kept say you know I usually cancelled within thirteen wakes, my license plate.
My car since thirteen wakes here
New electricity shall first year
but I was the TIM Conway dancer as opposed to the jacking Gleason show where there were forty June tailored answers right. I was the only desert and art maternal. He was
they too Conway Orchestra, but the show had no money. So when the announcer said at the beginning of the show, a knowledge is a general one. Little Conway Show now that Jim Conway Orchestra and the camera with panic, crescent empty stage two to two
in art matrona at a music stand, but the shell couldn't afford to give them an instrument. So he he hummed the opening things up,
reading the music diet that that amounts to plan for the whole show yes every week and then they would go and after twelve bars of him going down
dad dad they go and now the TIM Conway dancer and they were touching me and I would be in the most God awful costume,
and there was way too much dance sand on the floor and I would fall down and then
one point. I was supposed to flop on the floor anyway and open my arms and legs because they had an overhead camera like they had on the djinn Taylor dancers, but with one woman, it's absolutely pathetic here. So
since in New York, called sambo brick and run
Clark and said you got
Get rid of that girl. She makes the shell of cheap
and both Workin Clarkson and at that
The point that's the human race and now let her go man and you now
What's he saying when one
Someone closes the door
opens a win our with sudden
like area the next week,
I'm out of a job and I'm
my feelings are heard and I get
phone, call that I'm supposed to go read for this man named Norman Lear at his office in Century city fritz. Some show that he's going to be putting on the air, and so the day I show
She read for him. I had learned guide us and he handed me a yelling seem to do
speed yelling at my father and my husband, and I
and I guess that made him. Remember me
and I don't know how many young Ladys he saw badly. If it was three hundred be narrowed down before the fire,
in addition at Cps they
already cast Rob Reiner as MIKE Civic, the meat headed Polack and the south
we were to go into the room.
with all the saints each one
the scales with Rob one.
The time and do
improvisations, which they would throw us on an idea.
Subject matter- and we were just in the
The three girls were sitting beside me and the last one to come in and sit down was pending Marshall rod. Reiner was living with her at that time here, and I knew that and I thought
yeah, how you gonna get you.
You better watch penny here, not to sabotage the three of us, but.
they have each other's rhythm. Later I asked,
and a chance here so
that got rid of all my nerves.
excited hung around, because I didn't want to walk, and you know what happened. You did great
I got it so now the shows on the air climbing the number one we're all excited we do when we went when you watch them. When you were you in the room when they worked with everyone in the rumour. Now, no one
who worked with him or when you improvised with Rob the first time.
Did you know that it was going to be great? I would like
to tell you yes, but I have to say I didn't know anything here
I didn't know anything about anything. I didn't know how to get an agent I did,
know how to navigate the world. I didn't know why
I got let go
the TIM Conway Show. I didn't know why I got hired on our family and none of us knew what was going to be when it was right.
I know that Reiner and I were the third set of kids. It had
aid is a pilot for ABC two years before, with.
Look hydrogen Stapleton, but with it,
liking Gloria and then they shelved it and then
extra. They decided they would be right in a little make it again something tat chair, look origin Stapleton, but they got a second set of making Gloria and again they
frightened and would allow the air the normally
took it to the new president of CBS from Woods and said. If I bring it to you, we put it on the earth
And he said yes and what the both pilots he said, but you need to recast making Gloria
I Robin I'm making Gloria number three, but I have you done like a couple movies already.
I had I had done
it five years.
To pieces with Jack Nicholson help reverse our guy. That movie- and I and I were there to our your character in it and it like.
there's something about the way movies were made. Then, where a really seem that there was a rawness to it, that there was some space to a dingy did ye? Do you feel that
but bomb rifles, and was the director you he
he and Jack were.
Very lay back here. Some of their rights
chemically induced an arm.
I just know that they talk
and doing a scene. I never would have done well.
I was naked from the waste here, but
rise. He was twirly near round the room, work just way to a bedroom flopped on the bed, and then he
ices up off of me and he's got a t. Shirt on that says: triumph the area, the motors
see part of my breast in that shot and I kept saying to Bob Rifles- and I can't do this- I can't I can't go home
Portland! If I do this, I will be the sound and
they got me to do it again.
It was in Portland visiting my mom. When the film came out. She said I mean you're you're at you me circles in it
I'm going to the movies to senior mobilized. None on. I know you're not going now.
don't go and she
don't be silly whereby some man-
you're gonna, be ashamed of me. Please
we're going- and I said all right. Well, it's done.
stands a year ago, it's now out there
I can't do anything to take it back. So if Europe,
That was me. Please don't say anything when you come home. I can't fix it.
but she put her on a kerchief,
and dark classier her. She went to the movies
Three hours later she came home and she open the front door and she walks through the house, passed me and walked down the hall, their bedroom and shut the door
Was it then we never talked about it. We never.
there was never any discussion. Will that's sad.
oh you, know,
you ve, already risque you ever do. Do you personally feel that you feel bad about it? He felt like that you're taking advantage of anyway, because the carriage
It was pretty grading, and yet I think you transcended com
ITALY and also kept the character itself.
Think of it is
as a compromising role. I thought it was great. Did you
I wish you were. My parents
You wouldn't have been ashamed of me.
I don't know you know this is back here. When did they come out?
we made it sixty nine. It came out and seventy I mean people just Didn'T- have daughters that went into that sure my
they're. My mother was horrified that her marriage broke up. The dead
but he left her for the nurse in his office.
She never got over it. She was dead
Press the rest of,
my childhood and
we forgot she was depressed when she got Alzheimer's.
So the way she raised, my sister me was to say: what will the neighbors think right
girls. You can't leave the house just that way. What will the neighbors think so?
Others, girls are good, upright girls and we were but
Can you imagine right? If that's the way you raised her daughters and then you will see a movie and she's in of the sixteen? Was Jack Nicholson,
She must have been so ashamed of me,
Nicholson, you know
What years later,
many years later, like nineteen eighty,
seven or something like.
Almost thirty years after the filled, my jacket,
Is hairdresser have to do? Is soda wanted?
China Box, but
just the same as the way they package gifts with the Turquoise Box with a white ribbon. But this is a little trinket box. I dont shop achievement
its, but I said to PAMELA my best friend: let's go native anything get how Kyoto his Christmas present and we're in there and I'm standing at the counter and PAMELA
elbows reaches oh, my God check Nicholson is over. There could say I too am I said now.
Remember. May have caused you, I didn't bow bother and not the sailor usin possible as the new impassable. So I'm in them.
business of buying this box and behind me there's a tap on my shoulder and I turn horizons. High salary is tat power. Yeah we're all my guy
because the gangs they alone a me
get over it. What do you mean reside? How can we forget you
m. Now seventy three years old- and I am still
Robert and Margaret DOT utter from Portland Oregon. If I,
See someone famous and they know me, I am astounded
I understand that yeah there's a pie,
being a fan and there's a part of being
If I don't you think it's how you see yourself, I mean you just you know. It just means that you you you like being
fan and famous people are still impressive. What hope? Not
socks off when you actually got to meet them besides Barack Obama,
like some blew, it all depends. You know, like I find that most people sort of human, but there are certain people that
I've never really disappointed. I got to me Keith Richards, who is a big hero. My ah ah and wet was interview Amerika great, but he had made the interview ridiculous cause. Every eye was such a fan boy,
Even people like me away and freed. Can I mean these big. I've taught you, you know n n n thereof in. I grew up sort of like and in all of these people, but you need
talk to people for an hour or two hours. They become very human.
Still start a marvel at like you know. How did it happen?
they come out of them, like I remember
interviewed welfare. All who is really one of the more
no one is funny or on purpose and that guy that
I can now his
a funny hysterical? Why would the funny thing about him as he's very straight, an interview so, like I had him in my garage, we're talking in the eye. Just sat there for an hour just gonna happen. Is he gonna vaguely laugh he could do. I know you could do it so easily and then even right when he's just a little funny as they all they got, you did just so there
a moment Sienna, but I am still sort of
I, even though a guy I am able to talk to just about any by there's some people that are just sort of magic.
People. What are you gonna? Do I
your magical person, Sally nobody's, like you you're one of a kind
was so, are you? Isn't everybody one of a kind exterminate identical twins? I guess I don't know, but some people there, yet
They're just sort of recording devices and other
People are the machine. You know there are there. Other people are like the original.
You know, like some people's personalities, everyone's different
but some people show themselves. How is that it
and a person that you say they threw away the mould when they make you just undeniable asian original regional
Undeniably you you know, but then you went and did the getaway, which is another movie, was kind of filthy right yeah. Oh, my God send pack imply that man was a piece of work. Our cherry you, I was playing up that guy is from use in all those movies in here is,
scary. Our theory that was his name,
All its fury, he was in the godfather, you know he was the day, the Turk, so what's up
we won't. We was shooting this movie in El Paso Texas agenda,
the theory and some Peck and Papa
would start drinking at seven eight in the morning
and by lunchtime bosom blot up here I mean we,
We got to the set one
Monday morning and sand pack invite had gone over the border from El Paso in Mexico
higher than a kite drunken them stung. The owners are script girl over the weekend
so she was all of a sudden, MRS Pack and palm didn't even remember,
In the same were our theory. The gunman has taken my ass
it's got a bullet in his shoulder and he can
to my house.
Veterinary clinical outlet country.
the bullet removed.
And they wanted him lying on that table- to have us newborn kitten playing on his chest while he's holding his gun well,
Don't you ever picked up a newborn kitten that their claws are like
fine little hares and they go in there.
Any then and they hurt here and at one point military drunk.
again out of control on very Mobbish anyway, thank God, dammit kid there's somebody and- and I dont know
Baby. Don't impact in passing that I was getting scared, so he said the big language somebody suddenly take this.
get suppliers, protest clause out now and grabbed the kitten and I ran up to set and they were all laughing
they weren't gonna. Do that just like to see me react, but one,
one day after shooting, he said,
sally, awhile, wild candidate,
seen in dailies tonight at the hotel
You know what I said what's what's the dailies is always send the film off the Hollywood way. We shoot up, make process it and then they send it back here for me to look at some making up my mind about something. So you want to see what was shot a few days ago, come to the hotel override, okay,
didn't like the way the film had been processed and walk
up to the screen,
this conference room in the hotel and
it is why and took out his penis than urinating all over the screen,
Is this what happens at the day to day off and seventy eight and arming bag? It well
I was really weird, but was nice to you. He asked
like any alatri was very scary. I think that I was it
boyfriend because we had a week off
from filming where he wasn't even my wasn't needed and it was easy to weaken it
New Jersey, use from Fort Lean injures her and his sister
brother in law of dairy,
says it: hey you, wanna come with me to Fort Lyon. Have Easter with an italian families, is my sister
such a great clock and then we're gonna go down the Florida. Have you ever been floored, I said now, so I did all that with him.
Now we come back to the moon and he
Does my hotel? We must come up and see me and I said no thank you and
He wouldn't hang up anything.
Screaming I'm gonna come up there and I'm gonna get you and I
I couldn't hang up to call for help, so I put the
on under. So I couldn't hear him, but I'm he probably state on the phone online, and I was so scared I avoided among set
next day and it was the sea were dumb Taylor handled
lock us into a hotel room were
I am now alone without during my husband has hung himself with few motels back your bathroom bright, and so I'm just with with them.
The gunman who, when he and I are starting, will have an affair so the
Impeccable, says W, walk in and then Sally you walk in after Dublin, then AL you walk in chairing the suitcase and as soon as they said, ok, rolling, ok, go and
works in saying his lines, showing us the hotel room and I'm walking in
an hour later, it wasn't black to do this, but our tearing grabbed me by my arm and threw me against the wall. So I went up to
your pack in part. I said Mister Peck apart
you're gonna, shoot us again. Are we
come in behind the struggle to water,
Let's find out, it was crazy.
then we had the Dune Seymour. I'm I'm Peter
Do you like I'm room service, and I want steam. Mcqueen opened the door and
he opened the door and I start screaming and useful slug me in the face and I'm supposed to be knocked out and
They taught me what is this desert here too.
I had the same and then hit the wall and and slightly the floor, went about three take so that an eye
was now Lupi and the fourth Take
I didn't turn my head. He get me in my jaw and
that's what's in the film
you getting really hit by statement going. It was crazy experience and I got to watch steamer queen. It now in the grass fallen, loves
Queen a good Geier, it did you like, and what a great guy here
a sweetheart. I
door at him, but he was danger, boy mean
but we were shooting in a hotel in El Paso and run
next to it was a dirt mountain that was almost perfectly perpendicular.
And Stephen go out between, takes and hop on his MIKE's motorcycle and trying to write off that dirt mountain that was,
training up the wall about my girl. Here you and everybody was yelling and Uruguay night. You gets back, we have to shut down. We can finish the money, you didn't care, email
you all. He fell madly in love with alley, and now it's all these years later and everybody that we worked with on that film is gone and every time I see her clutch under one another like we're on our train on the way to a death camp, I mean we ve just say we're. We're still hear you and I
Because everybody we worked within that, while we have gone some way
you started doing on the family. It's been fifty years, huh!
it's been fifty years January. Twelve was our fiftieth anniversary of the first when coming on the air view still talking Norman. Now, do you talk to any of data
rob. There's nobody left except Robin Norman.
She's got here and you d
Are you friends or rob
the light to be, but he re married. He carried the worsening married, a younger gal, but he met in Hawaii when you do your movie there and she was the photographer and said
and they married, and I think that
I'm guessing that he had a wife.
I didn't want him to be friends with me, because
we were friends here. He play my
husband rate years. We were friends and
when the shell was over when he and I were finished with their contracts than we weren't making all of them anymore.
at the most random times my phone would ring in my apartment in West.
Well there you see, like Hell,
oh and all round was says: French pull
he spends fart
have any hang over me and I'm rolled on the floor laughing and
two months later hello Jack who stole far
May each woman, farting wearing tight councils,
we are in great relationship and many get remarried
I went to the opening of the producers at the pants ages, theatre on Hollywood Boulevard and it was
the big night? They had lots of new luminaries there to be in attendance, to see it
I came out of the inner door with my friend bunny, who I've known since we were both four years old,
and there was rob and then said
life, Michel and
Carl Reiner and still writer, his wife, and I I didn't
really known Michel, but I knew that has hit,
but his parents- and I went running toward me when Lamb stretched out, will jump out of here
put his hand out stiffly in front of himself and
took my hand and shook it really stiff and say hello, Sally,
nice to see you Sally.
Why are you left it? Some weird I met with you. I was
no, no, no, no, I saw matter
it was choice of words, something they were seated together.
when a couple armies right for four gory idealise. I was gifted with
two m is what a great part in what a great it in regular. How was I assume that everybody on that set was pretty close? Ah
We were also indifferent, urine Carol, O Connor Devout Irish Catholic
raised in New York City went to court.
Montana Mozilla at the university they're gonna teach
in degree. Came back to New York was
the public school system in New York City. He
he taught English to the recalcitrant boys and you know it
but the ruler in God only knows what else you did and then maybe you woke up around forty and said to his wife Nancy. We met in college, I.
I think, I'm gonna be an actor stood. Ok,
she said: how are you gonna do this December study? She said where he says in Ireland we're gonna move.
To Ireland than those study there and I'm gonna come back and that's what you did. So that's the man playing my father here,
Jane Stapleton was raised.
by a single mother in New York City, Denver
our christian scientist-
she never said or thought. Maybe
a thing she was are resident angel and
could easily get her
are all flustered, because certain things,
just made her uncomfortable and there was one moment only
in my years was her, where she was
Edith in real life, even bunker. She she does
He was very intelligent.
and she and her husband bill patch ran a theatre, the towel?
pull play house in Pennsylvania.
She came from the world of theater and she,
She's in the Rehearsal Hall and CBS Tv City,
acts in Beverly Boulevard and
we're on a ten minute, coffee break in
people are being handed fucked. You got some messages, then that you had received a phone call. Then he would try to find a phone on your ten minute break to fund somebody back and she
Folding, chair she's got the
lay times and she's all buyers
government a quarter and she is lustre
she's getting red.
and I'm looking at what is wrong with our side, tiptoe overdo. It has achieved something wrong.
As she said. Would you look at this? In all the papers turns a turning point and she says: look. Look it S. Car wash its advertising for
polish men Jane. That's polish.
see you tonight I sat was at one time in the sea is concerned. I said, would you please tell me about being
Christians, I just because I'm a doctor's daughter and I believe in science and medicine, and I certainly had a lot of things wrong with me growing up my dad. You know
did. My stitches are put my cast iron. I believe that,
the humans learn medicine for a reason
but tell me about your religion and she did. She took me to her church. We were so close.
And then those rob liner who
was raised. The rich.
Beverly Hills, jewish kid was very famous father and then I come.
from Portland Oregon from the Norwegians,
I have never heard a racial
slur or epithet. We wouldn't be
Script around the table and our
he would say some horrendous thing in Ireland.
you know, say to Robert IT
people than what does that mean.
I've never heard those words everyone's laughing, I'm going where they laughing I
any kind of bigotry. Oh, but it was
It was fascinating and be with such despair group of human beings and then in the fifty year of the show,
I went in and read for a famous british director to play the lead in the film day of the locusts and.
it shows me and my agent
common Norman Layer and said this would mean Sally would have to. I guess
it's the last four shows the season
and this is now I can't let her do it.
I can't do that,
and if I do that he's like five six shows a mere. I set the precedent that I've gotta, let everybody out and its screwing with our schedule. I get
There are some my agent, I call back as it will help
since I only have three lines per show anyway, which are I'll help. You set the table, my Michael. What
Are you going out daddy stop at me? Listen
my three lines every week
does I wasn't getting louder. Satisfactions actress complain that role the first five years here since then,
Well, I'm a quick learner,
why don't you have somebody stand in for me on camera blocking day on a Thursday at alpha,
on a Friday morning, and you can teach me where I'm supposed to enter and exit and where I say I'll help you set the table and I'll do the show so, which means I can still in four days of the week and beyond all the family one day of the week, and he says no, I'm not going to do that.
So I bought it.
Happy about it, but about it, because I really wanted to work for genes less injure and the next year
Norman, let Rob Reiner out to do a film was Eleanor, can call fire sale.
and I called a lawyer and I said, get me off the shelf. Get me off the show. I
than any savings that I had to go to
arbitration and I lost, and I had to go back. I threw himself
so I wore a sweat shirt to rehearsal every day? That's it
prisoner of Rehearsal Hall, three,
then we had a brand new director main Paul Bogart and.
the writer started, writing fun, things for making Gloria, and my last three years of the eight were the most
fine. But I was furious.
With Norman Lear for the boy.
club and nepotism. I re I was furious. I mean he had this adorable assistant,
who was chinese hurting
Janey Joe, you just wanted to pick her up and hunger. Every time you saw her and I went
Sometimes I my breaks. I would go to the executor,
offices are like to visit, would shading Joe. She had said
I can books on her desks from the best seller list and I said
indeed show winning read the easy work like eighteen hours a day, she's no they're. Not for me. Therefore Norman I somewhat ones
Norman gonna read these books. Cities got every play at this,
Spending on a step here, she's
This is a well. She says he has dinner parties at his house and they like to talk about the latest.
books online. You know that time is best selling listen, so everybody in the office reads a book for him and give some cliff notes, and then we can discuss it ass, their guard.
And I said so- he passes himself off. As someone has read these,
books and it hasn't
a story short just between you and me, and thousands of people that are listening to your podcast. I was.
the only member of the cast never invited to his home for dinner. So do you think
in the last three years vow
at the riders? The sort of
Took charge and decided to work more stories for you, because I knew you were mad
or do you just now. It had nothing to do with me. I hears what happened. We spend a
shows up our show arches place nano in the beginning. We
I'd be Arthur on and she played our cousin law right and we were all sick with the fluent. She came to take care of us and they loved her. So much they decided create a show for her and then
We had the Jefferson's on the show and they decided to give them their own show. What
happen was every time Norman would take our tried and true well trained, fine honed writers
New specifically how to write for our characters,
and he would move them away from us and put them on the new show, and he would give us new writers. Me then had to train this. Make
girl, Oconnor furious and he started
taking this drug called Metro Bam eight here and he was
happening right and left, because he was so angry all the time and so
You know we always had new riders, but-
what happened in the six there was
a kind of done so many stories about Archie, Archie and Edith MIKE and Archie, but they had it.
start concentrating on that younger couple there, and then they wrote that glory and micro expecting a baby and glory and might moved into the Jefferson's house next door and they gave us real stuff to do, or I wasn't just setting the table break
all in all
Despite all the anger and despite you know
what sounds like a very difficult last few years is still thought. It was agreed
experience for the most part I hadn't
much fun papa.
major rehearsal hall, delicious
and we all had a really good time. Avatar gets its great that, like you, VE, really have never stopped working. It's like an amazing thing to carry on a career,
in show business in just keep going in
still haven't I just
I realise how fortunate I am because below when a man.
As girlfriend someone. I
truly admire for her gifts.
as a performer.
And also we just have a wicked relationship together is the actress Brenda Carl, oh yeah, sure and she's.
amazing and she can act circles around me and she can get arrested. My guy
think that you know you're.
I don't know whether was lover or career decision by to do
you know theater to do big theatre, shows and Anne and have the ability to do that really can
keep you working a long time now, because you you're a name and people,
I d come see you you have a following
any do these great shows yeah.
I've been so lucky and work to all these wonders.
full theatres in America and Canada.
And some of them are really old and charming, and some of them are brand new state of the art, and I love all of it, and
theatre has its own staff and people backstage you. I've fallen in love with all the guys on the crew and all the women in the wardrobe shop and hear my fun button is just
of people all over the country that I have made friends with than its genes.
Who said to me. She said you know television and fills, will come and go in your life at the there with a one arena that will always welcome back with open arms, this theatre
don't ever give that up and she's right beautiful most
great talking. You need to know, I'm glad we did it. I'm glad
Argue interviewing Jody faster night that what's he gonna talk to me about how we talked about a lot of stuff. I mean
intelligent and she went to the sugar
It produces vision. I wish she has never get away stories. I mean come on
Children takes around you and take a punch from Steve Mcqueen come on. I know that was great
I know that for a day
I love you, it's great, seeing you too
Thank you very much Mark Marin. You are a wonder when this way again, maybe we can hang out. Ok it. That would be great and the plague is supposed to be over on October twelve tonnes,
a twenty seven, so
exactly it'll be weighted average than he's out there, and I'm glad I didn't have to wear a mass, but I was talking with you: did you get the vaccine? I'm done.
locked and loaded forget
good, I'm I'm halfway. There
I'll call you in Al Qaeda in May. Ok I'll be here are its take it easy.
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