Marc welcomes singer-songwriter Joanna Newsom to the garage, sadly without her harp, although it probably wouldn't fit. Joanna tells Marc how her musical style evolved from composing pieces influenced by American classical music to collaborating with some of the industry's most unique producers. She also talks about the benefits of being married to someone who makes comedy for a living.
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most anything new, album divers, pretty great by tat. Theres out there there's like five or six records her took me while to a to lock in Joanna, but there once I did it was like now I'd now, I'm dead spell I'm under the spell duenna newsome is a spell castor with her magical music there. The documentary that I'm involved and I know I'm in it. It's from our pals grandma would increase man seen who do? that film nerds pot, the pie cast, but it's called ear buds and it's in the san francisco doc fast enough, screenings or june fourth and seventh in can go s, have indeed dot com and click on box office to get tickets for airbus about
podcasting, but tell you, though, the the feedback sometimes saves me a you know cause sometimes I'm just not clear on what it is I do and how it affects people- and you know- and I choose not to process that I choose to just you- know, decide that I'm good enough that I get an email like this, and these are just surprising to me because I have no. He had the the you know what I do here and and has in effect the sub the subject line is alley Wong Listening to your interview with alley, Wong and I had to pull over on the side of the road to write to you, hearing an interview with a woman conduct, by man, no less. It sounded almost word for word, like my experience with motherhood Was mine blowing in emotional, the birth of my three year old was near exact. What alley described from the anesthesiologist to the torture enjoys a breast feeding. It brought me to tears hearing her disk
I'd the breastfeeding experience and hearing you listen to it brought back a joy. I will never experience again. I was unsuccessful. Doing it the second time around in there won't be a third so do here. Describe it was more enjoyable than you will ever know. Thank you for allowing a woman to describe new motherhood in a way that women only do. each other. Thank you for recognising the transition in identity as something to embrace It can be ashamed of. This is an interview I will listen to over. over again natalie in dayton. Ohio you're welcome I am glad that you have that experience. It was a very new experience for me all of it our indian. I didn't think of any of it other than like watching. to do this now and and I will bear witness and be present for it. No prejudgment I've. Just so do I Here we go here, we go. So other worldly talent,
other worldly genius yeah. Other worldly genius, it's rare to witness Sometimes you see in calming like I'm a guy stuck on the planet. I'm a guy stuck in my shit I'm a guy stuck in my life, I'm a guy that that needs to be grounded in whatever the hell. It is to keep me in the world dialogue- while in my head I'll spend a lot of time in my head, a you know and and that's why I gotta stay engaged with shit and stay engaged with the guitar with the people with the the comedy Like so much of me, getting on stage is about me he saying like item here- and this is where a mat. Ok, please. or witness, because if you don't I mostly living in my head and the thing about people that can yea beautiful things
if you're, through music or dance or film or whatever they are doing comedy it just other way We think things that are transported p, who can get out of their head and create MR another. An alternate landscape is something that that that I love and it ended something If you you rarely see done in a way that is completely mystifying. and beautiful, comedy maria bedford who's got a new show on netflix, eddie dynamite, that's getting phenomenal in that she deserves it is. Is it getting? ample then comedy, this is a woman that struggles in wrestles, and has in a real mental shit going on in a manifest sit through. You know creating, characters and voices and in another world its other worldly she's, otherworldly she's, you she's a gift. She's a gift to the arts join in some does another situation.
Where were you just you know you you go, and I saw her concert and she's there with her giant Can these other musicians and people moving around so beautifully orchestrated and the sound is something like I've. Never before and I am transported. I will be transported if I allow myself you got, you can't fight the the lift, you can't fight the the transcendence. You can't fight the transportation if you want to here, the joy of other worldly genius, my girl, and Sarah came, makes these paintings otherworldly. Where does it come from? I don't know, I don't know and how to play harper do characters. You paint maybe do some dancing. That'd be fun. Maybe I should take up a modern dance class. Maybe jazz. May I take a jazz class so on an it move
into my conversation with them with Joanna her. her new album is, is called divers it's on drag city. I think I in this conversation I might have said dead nice things about the label drag city that was before they ostracised me and made me feel, I'm cool and not good enough fuelled view of this self critical fire By their I reject, not me but she's on. That label is what a great people on that label. So Let's go now to my car. Station, would Joanna newsome and please go listen to music and give it some time. Don't you, there's so much going on this. So much share in its intense report. might go like I don't know I can take it, but you can. You can use your grown ups right. This is me
and Joanna newsome, it's nice to see you Joanna in cuba, I am I'm a little nervous, fame our sooner will you nervous about attacking into the microphone Moreover, it ferber period because it s why my nervous, I admire you know. Bismarck good, does good good right we will begin So I guess you know you. Your work is, is pretty transcendent an amazing and requires attention. And if you know that the first time I listened to it. I think that dan over a drag city, sent me a box stuff and various steps. I get all of your record, sir. Either
just holding your records it's likewise. A lot of records in here. as our work, and so I did a whole presentation yeah. I can see why you're nervous right. But my evolution with you has been an interesting going, more about you tell me about the evolution why can t write you when he was in here- and I am- I now know her and then people started emailing me like how like how do you not know Joanna and then people like you have to know our yeah. I got a lot of pressure. Yeah, I fancy love burner. Email accounts of my dear I'll get you down there I just name so my experts, Seeing you have not seen you and and having, You are even were friends of my girlfriend years ago in a scene that, like I knew nothing about I guess I missed a lotta music
and there it was this san francisco thing that happened. They you sort of word, identified with yeah yeah. So I knew a little of that and she gave me one of your cds. I don't know if you want even on the face of the earth anymore. I do really. I was very happy I felt like I got her, because that is exactly like it's a piece of music. yeah hornet, Pavia recorded, symbiotic man that that makes me feel like someone got me really yeah. Why put would I wouldn't want which one do I have? I have one of the two that yourself one was called walnut whales and that's out when I belong at work, I mean I'm kind of carrying out. I am Let them breathing releasing! No, I didn't really on purpose on purpose. They were. They were committed.
usually no take music because I'm really bad at it, but I only know table like sheet. Music get our right sheet music out and so my way of remembering ino songs, where I was always to record myself and at that time in san francisco I was living. With my then boyfriend Noah and he recorded some songs for me and then we sort of put them on us. the mana cdr and were kind of like I guess they sold them at one or two shows, and then No, I george, you know. George said he was your boy for he was my boyfriend and now he's my friend he's a great. You know engineer producer he's like on all your records, thing: the relationship continue the relations, the friendship kint. That's how I mean your professional react. German friendship. Yes, that's good, yes, loyalty, yes, and you respect his talent very much screw good? That doesn't always happen. No. He also has a hesitant, extremely great understanding of what I like musically that
You know, part of that thing is just intuitive. You know to people having a similar, aesthetic and part of its time, beer building up a knowledge of the other person with that sort of wet like I kind of notice, and I still want to start current and but I know we're gonna, pull it off. At like, as I listened to all the records. Unfortunately, you have a relatively small bulk of work in a way. Yet, like I talk to people at thirty records out and it's a real fucking problem, so, like I was able to really sort of take time with the records, including the the whale and when you don't Yeah and and through the first drag city record, and then you know and then into what do you call the Van dyke's park record wise? Is it like ec? What is that, the name of medical sunken I'll brittany fran. Of course, I am sure none that it serves. We grew, and you know what you were able to explore musically and poetically brows with every record. Do you feel that
yeah, I think it might mean I definitely serve with every record got interested in looking in a different side or or writing with. different set of goals or parameters, our obligations or rules, or become more where that, because the first right here it is really just you and the harp on yes, definitely and and They. I think it's also a little more. I would describe it as a little more abstract in the sense that, like or ill impressionist dickerson, that there are lyrics in the first record that don't one hundred percent in a concrete thing. For me, they mean maybe a feeling writer you know I am describing, may mean image from a dream right, but ah I definitely think that that shifted over time. For me, where you know partially, because when I made my first record, I wasn't really thinking in terms
very many people, listen hearing it yeah and then I've its way. period. I don't know why, but on the second album I started thinking much much much more about the meaning of every single word, and so he sort of started functioning as a poet. In a way No, you don't. I mean I I don't know exactly how poetry is defined. I don't write. Poetry, that's not meant to be sound right. But do you start with writing? Usually a start with. Melody and very skeletal cord progression, really yeah I, like, I think of it as if you were, if you remembered a song and there you forgot it by degrees like the law. Thing you would remember about the song. That's usually the first thing I start with. When I'm writing. You know this sort of, like whatever the nowadays, it is stuck in your head and you can hear the We are summoning
Pre existed. You like, I have a melody that I just barely have it, but I know it's all about. There's someone, that's how this last record felt that was the first time I had that feeling pretty exciting yeah. I don't have it all happen again, but that would be negative right away how did so like it's sort of a fascinating, I'm sure you've discussed this in. However many times you've talked about this, but to be that that harps of big thing, man yeah me I mean like I'm working. If there are no, my colleague shit, I've never seen anyone do that like I've, never seen a harp really may be one set of buffeted or something when I might have been me but light there like there. Happy that many places that make the big harps known like you, you know it's. It's pretty much. That's the way a harp works. There's no one redoing the harp. Yeah, has a sordid ornate kind of like it's. It's a completely.
Practical instrument and completely singular instrument. You just don't seem round much. So what what? What made you do that life I started with a really little one: there's a little higher pierre little like folk harps. Caltech harps! Ok, where you can. By a certain music. How old were you when you did that? I was like four, when I decided that that's what I wanted, and it was because I had seen my that my future teacher lisa drowsy stein, yeah performing somewhere street fair, something in our little town, grew up and about city you, grubbing nevadas city, that is like gum. That's like hippy style off the grid. in a way yeah it there's definite a strong element of that. I was up there do at the movie. How I hurt you, you did, who told you that, like people ever, a single person, I've ever known, lives he now oh yeah, yeah, plus its really smart. I mean there's a lot of there's a lot of folks there. Now that I don't know which is
incredibly will we people yeah people had taken over here? We yeah I didn't know there was a sort of weird roaming community of we'd growers and I went up the yeah. It's weird and it's always been- I mean I grew up with friends whose parents, no we're living with. Like small cottage, you know, perhaps india and you know, fed they're beautiful plants like home in the yogurt and everyone had their special recipe and we yeah and- and you know, all the your family or friends that grew weed and fed a special yogurt that they made, probably where they got Yeah I wouldn't have got is inaccurate. That is one of the greatest be memories. I've ever heard my life tat. I figure I mean you know categorizes. I know that one, that's good for plants, I've never yogurt. This was one particular dude.
still at a it, but anyway there is there is a nice balance. You know where, like I think, sort of the local law in force look the other way and, and nobody nobody's operation was very big. Everybody was just kind of young. You know pan euro growing their own staff, maybe get making enough just to break. Even I mean there are definite people who made their their entire living failing pot that they had grown sure you know providing it to people to sell it, but it was like there was a coup. Zenith to it. There are no there. There is There wasn't dislike dark corona of weird vibes that I sort of now. This thing has exploded to the point where there is weird vibes. I mean I'm I love him. I feel them. I love that town. I love it forever. Oh, I will always consider my home, but there is a slight
shift there. Now it's it's sad when we like even like what we'd such a friendly seeming drug wondering whence it goes big you now, drug people come ganem, tat, the wheat. AL gets the money yeah and it's all big agribusiness now and then there's that, but the the subculture of growers. I I think I talked to somebody. I don't know where I got this information that they sort of move around sometimes the move around the country like those spent six months due in the harvest. yeah on that kind of stuff, yeah and there's a lot of seasonal work. So, like you know, trimming season happens in flux. I didn't know it. Seasonal work brings bad news people, I gonna run from somethin gotta move like carney, but it's a problem like my mom works with the local food bank area. The local food bank kind of exists to service are local homeless community during trimming season. It's just pack ticked off picked completely
clean right from just like do is you are in town, cutting green and don't like cuttin buds, Yeah cutting we'd, that's how I talk and don't want to lake pay for food. What are your folks do? What kind of wood you grow up and what was the environment they're? Both retired doctors, they both retired in the last few years, some kind of doctors my mom was in internist and my dad is, though, he mittal just oncologist so your mom- had it like a general practice that there should be was in more or less translated to general practice like she was the doktor like the town, doktor like every it that everywhere I think everyone does know them, but it so it's a little bigger than that they have a pretty good hospital. They are so there's a number. She wasn't like the town where the matter more lagrange letter bag the doktor body, I then I'm gonna call back and I can t orthopedic, but I think that,
they were given those in back. In the day when house calls were still a thing, maybe a medical or something medical school or something or a little bag will make a house call her too. I don't like. I don't think my parents did house calls, at least when I was alive and your dad was a cancer doktor tat, Catherine lad. not my entire yeah. They, both retired within, like a year of each other. We have a similar, siblings guy. I think I saw two of them. Iava younger sister, older brother, that's it yet. the new some cases, all musical, apparently all musica yeah. My sister is mostly a scientist but she's, very musical she's, actually, probably the most, naturally musical of all of us out when I saw them really
mind when we were younger. She was definitely like she's a cellist and she was definitely the shredder of the family on the shoah on the cello. Just it could kick ass yeah, but so did they toured the whole tour with you, my brother did he played you know starting in october. Also played on a few songs on the record that my sister is in grad school. So she just this was a fundamental like last straight thing that she'd or religious regulation no two weeks since so she did the whole whiskers What you just got another cello, where no ryan fringes, ghonim from my band, who that guy's, a wizard man dude what the fuck, what the fuck yeah, he's incredible online that guy I originally meant ryan at large. In the morning music campaign, mendocino redwoods we have when you were a kid. No, I
Are you going to that camp when I was a kid, but I met him as an adult. He was one of the shredders in the sort of bulgarian camp. There's the bulgarian. You know there's it's just world folk music and he is a one world folk, music, yeah, wait. What is this camp? Well, it's called lark campi you it was when I grow up. I was called lurk in the morning music camp and the nice where you yeah. When you were a kid yeah world folk music was there was the focus, it was. It was what I did every summer. I mean I our knowledge. What I think the first time I went. I was nineteen, oh my god, so we were exposed, You like all these mystical melodies from regions of the world at nine yeah. That's Pretty astounding I was, thank god, argue that point mystical, melodies galore.
at steph, some of the mound music from certain areas is like. What's going on yeah, you know. Actually it's very important for me with. I met this teacher named Diana stork, she's, a berkeley area teacher, and she taught me west african, which she she basically played on folk harp music, that she had transcribed from the kora west african music that she had transcribed from the choir, and then she taught it to me. It broke my brain into two pieces as, like. I think I was like twelve or thirteen years ago. A foe carp is the smaller harp yeah yet well, really it's a lever harp, so the main differences in just size. It's the fact that, with a paddle harp, a classical harp, you changed the pitch of strings from natural flat and natural to sharpen paddling india and with the full carp you do it with individual lovers that shorten slightly tottering. Ah, sir
west african. What what region are we talking? Is that, like Senegal yeah that that sort of weird ethereal kind of like twain? Yet I'm in this the thing that. Stood out for me then- and I think for Diana as well, and that she taught me with you the idea of playing in multiple meters at once. I had sir, have learned. Polly rhythm unit, which is that, like that Dakota back pocket, but that, but the polly meter is basically the like. She taught me this figure, this west african figure, where the right side, the left hand, plays and for four aha and the right hand, plays in three four homer gonna come together, you every twelve beats and if you plates, you paid. They come together every twenty four beats and it was very wait a little longer yeah, but you also have to think I mean your right hand. Is it,
Thinking is the wrong word. I when I was trying to figure it out. I was over thinking. I couldn't do it right, but you have to like actually break your brain into two parts so that you're one part of your brain is sitting inside of the three four meter and rather than a sitting inside of the four four meaner and you just have to like can't think about it. You know it's the padding, your rubbing her had thing, so she taught me that and you were young I was young and it got fleetly shifted the way that I wrote music from that point on wow. So, but like that, it'll tell me about that moment where you finally got it like. Was it like learning to juggle? It was, and it's weird it's it's it's a little trance like. Actually you know the the figure it just goes around and around and around and around, and when it finally clicks over it's like it's, it's I dunno.
If we adopt you stop thinking about it. So the that woman ways new breaks, your brain open. She wrote my brain out and then you meet this ryan cat. Yoga, ok, like ten years later, but so it You guys, like it seems to me, like I'm, just projecting that collaboration is, is has really sort of evolved. You is musician in these seem to like it. I do like it It didn't seem to happen for while well it's it what we are talking about when we say collaboration like ireland, morphia diana in the teacher cardono no nobler, like cancer. You taken all this in the end because, a lot of times. You isn't music in their, so many points of musical reference. It I dont imagine that you necessarily contain all of them, like I'm Imagine that this guy ryan, your brings a lot. the his little world of instruments over there. He does not
the important thing about ryan is that, even though he is incredibly masterful in the realm of of bulgarian music, that's not even his corner quote main thing like his. He went to school to be a composer right and he also a classical guitarist of whose point instruments I never heard of, I know, he's even saying anything. All band learned a couple different instruments just for this tourists that we could keep everyone. jumping around a really tight in everybody's runner. Up like that there was like stagecraft to it, just sort of like oh that guy's on the other thing that happened yeah and it's also really fun- to see ryan play an instrument that he that he's not like, ass in the world. That guy he's got feel
I feel yeah yeah I used to use on guitar and he played some banjo right and he played some other thing. That has a weird name and another thing that has named hombre cathal and bira all those weird instruments from all over. What is it? What is the signature the bulgarian music. What differentiates while I would be definitely not the one that asking no there's a lot of them, there is really interesting in on a lot of like nine eight stuff. You know and there's a particular scale. There's kind of modalities that are typical for will know how music and the instrumentation, obviously so he plays the two brow, which is very common? Little almost mandolin, like those nice yoga completely its own color and timber. That isn't really like anything else and cabal is another instrument bulgarian. It's it's like her, like a flute where it says its different. It sounds like its own,
yeah. What other type of training do you do, other other than the the folk music world folk music camp? Well, at that point I was still working with LISA stein, my first harp teacher, so she taught me classical and and some celtic music, although I was pretty resistant at age. I like it now, but I when I was younger, I for some reason I think, just as it was such a typical thing for full carp to play- and I was really interested in Breaking it open reagan at your house entertain. You I gotta, take this somewhere, who is really cool like rebel harper what kind of love
I know I don't play well. I play that how's, the herp community feel about you Joanna. Well, it's interesting. I definitely get a wonderful support and love from a lot of harpeth, yeah and and then like there are some people like you know. I told you about how we hire a person who, in my heart, before the set, because I'm doing other stuff. and in most towns like when the promoter will call someone to try to hire someone, maybe not most bullets, they say like half the time someone will be like harpists tune there. Own harps actually really appears that without which is do like our lives, do in their own areas. I do my honourably I'll, do it during the third like we ve got The timing of the day of early leg, of the judges of the there's, a heavy judgment like I'm, not going to do that. Let your attitude in her own heart yeah, that's kind of that. It that's definitely does, though these will pay. You will pay in the air and the knowledge to learn tat, but that that I've met
amazing, wonderful tumors, who will come, I mean harpist, who tuna harpoon, say high in the area set a date yeah, yeah, ok, so Wendy. Start writing. I know so. You are now to cite red. Obviously, barely right to this day, a terrible like. I bet that I basically coasted like when I howard was- I maybe like twelve or thirteen when I started playing the paddle harp and I started studying with my meet my classical teacher patsy europe through it, and she, You know insisted that I start not learning everything by ear and then I ain't no played in a few youth orchestras and began this elaborate ruse of trying to convince everybody that I was reading music. When, where was still all by ears, so I remember keeping up. I was mostly keeping up here.
Turning on how I did better when things were a little less dissonant. You know when they are part, is just like completely dissonant, weird stuff, that is, that doesn't sticking your ear as much of a really would have helped for me to be a better, a stronger reader and I didn't really read properly until I had to take. You know music theory classes in college, and even then I I read well enough to like you know when you're, when you're like working on diatonic harmony and counterpoint or whatever, when you're like looking at musical scores, you're, not doing them and er, I at least wasn't looking at them in real time. It wasn't like. I was playing a piece to speed with two hints. I could not sit down, put a piece of harp sheet music in front of me, two hands and just play to speed. I couldn't even play it. speed, I would. It would be very embarrassing to try to do that at this stage of my life and I sort of who really badly want to to learn.
later by some software. Whenever adults do and like I know, it's gone. You on youtube, yeah, yeah, I'd like that, it might so useful too. We could yeah I am trying. I wanna get better guitar and I dislike I've been stuck in the same place for years and it's ok, but I'm bored so I went on youtube the other day, just to like finger picking. I want to learn how to finger pick a little bit. There's a guy right there. Here's how you play the boxer by Paul Simon and in the like, you know, and I I just did it a little bit. I didn't stick with it, but I'm like this is helpful, but it's out there. So I'm just telling you about, after that, I was it weird. I I brought you have taken a meeting. Are you did ya with whom, regarding what for some reason I went into. I went to a general meeting disney animation and and they're talking about like you're, doing these big musical projects and then towards the meeting. The guy goes to you sing.
oh yeah, I like to think that I would call myself a singer, but I do it, but not professionally, but like I like a wife for the musical he's, like the others. Like so many unwritten parts. I'm like you know you gotta get which is perfect for this for singing cartoons and then, like that's a cartoon, I'm sorry for in a musical animated features. Joanna newsom check her out your name done, so you might be a turtle or something yeah. You may have changed life. Would you do? That would guess definitely mean particularly eternal. Yeah. So when do you start to see your parents are into it? I like. Alright, she wants to be a harpist yeah. Well I the thing that started happening when I worked b when I started studying with LISA, I started writing and writing. I say I wasn't writing it down. I wasn't notating most things, but composing and I wasn't music music- has composing music. I wasn't singing, was just all instrumental and who are you That is what we are pulling from at that stage.
The only way I why I started writing nino. As soon as I started playing the airways, so is it such an incredible teacher. She she she was. She said that you should write music, yeah and improvise as well, which is you know you have this way. I love this lady she's still around. Yes, she is. Does she come to your shows? Are you writing arise, romania? Who air ambulance is? I mean I don't think I wouldn't even known whom I influences were at that stage. I think when I got a little older it was. I was very and when I started studying classical music, I was very into french impression ass. I love dave, you see and revival and then, when I got a little older than that sort of like sixteen fifteen, sixteen I got more into like terry riley fill of glass
philip glass compositionally. I can. I kind of can feel that a little bit there's a momentum to it yeah and he does a lot of poly rhythmic and some poly metric stuff as well, which is very interesting, yeah, yeah and and then kind of when I got into college. When I got more into other more american earlier twentieth century, Users that greece Crawford Seeger was a big one. For me, the idea, I don't know anything about most of what you're saying but but but nobody give me something to learn. I know there's a whole world of american classical composers. That sort of, because more I don't know a lot about classical he's. So we only know I can names and we probably couldn't identify assent. either they did or anything they composed, but you know some of the bigger ones the same with jazz in me, but I know like you know there were these: like copeland was a big american, composer and they're in, and I I but I
I sort of no little bit of what he sounds like bad habit, idea. What what classical music was in america at that time? What did she do? Well, she was part of a crew that was like ruggles, I forget his first name and charles ives yeah and I'm and actually seeger charles Seeger. Her husband was part of this group. I guess, and henry cowell he's he's actually my favorite. He was amazing, piano, irish, american dude and and they they basically were trying to come up with an american
A classical music gear that was not just a derivative of european classical music and much as early american, classical painting and visual art found its roots and landscape. Like the ruggedness in IRAN, us roared the idea of pioneer ism. So also did this musical movement, fine, its roots, and trying to illustrate like craggy mountains, and can you like, obviously especially copeland, had this go west sort of right right. You know we here we go yeah well that well. That was what this reveals to me, that that I I notice about your music is compositionally. It's certainly not pop music, There are so handsome songs that that seem like me, a kind of meal com. Positions that I understand. You know the media by a lot of the music is composed in a classical way. I've. I just feel like the best I can do. We're in india
I've been. My influences listing a series of the things that I've like sure over the course of time, but I get really, I start losing track of it when I try to describe how, if at all dave, was influences have actually would merely attend but see they have manifested in it's not on you to explain it because, like I can here elements thing that I would identify with copeland. In terms of victor pointing out what record where you like. This is sort of american sound its arms, I, like randy newman sum of like stuff on sail away where you're sort of like there is definitely a tone to american ethical music, that you know you can hear it immediately had an away it denouncing I do yeah and certainly depending on where and when you use a banjo or when you know that their there are. There are points worthy you can.
You're, that reverberating through the music and then there are some that are more exotic and that would make sense for some. This have you been talking about me? Definitely you'll sign off I well I mean I, I think the only thing I would add is just it's not that I don't care about hooks like I. I love, you have votes, and I like them. I like them. Do I mean like there is music? I would consider very copy that morning is quite genius, not mine, I'm centre in music, I like to listen to. That is very poppy and it just entered my brain alot later like this, I didn't really listen to records as such and toll my late teens, and I didn't really until my twenty years. Were you doing to entertain yourself what was going on in the house? I win, I mean I with my. and my friend jamie, who was originally friends with my sister Emily, has told me story like she came over after school in school. To see me
sister Emily and I was working on. I was poor I was writing some areas where gun composing or whatever playing harp in the family room how old I'm gonna say. Fifteen or sixteen year may be seventeen aha, and they like went out and saw a movie and did something else and came back and I was still play and then they went on a walk down to go change the street like their of street and came back and I was still playing and then it was time to go to bed de Lange and I didn't stop until like Emily came down and like yours, keeping the whig eye out. There is a stretch. I wasn't a great. I wasn't super committed until I was about like thirteen or something, but then after that, a kind of all. I did was you're like a full on harp nerd. I was a fallen harper I get that I mean that's intense, focus, yeah and it was consuming
and I did- and I did some other extracurricular and stuff, but I didn't I was like what feeder yeah as little about like a weird like Nerdy version, like I went to like shakespeare campaign and spat he went to world. Camp in shakespeare, solve and all making sense demeanor, and he liked acting I acting really weird. You were in a movie or impose movie sites. So let's get let's get. Let's get further So now you're full on harp nerd and your fifteen any you're living and breathing harbin, composing, music and then after high school, like what You go with your muse, oh I went to mills college, which is in oakland any study music
I did I start advice, studying composition, and then I changed my major and for a little while was trying to do a self design, major and ethnic ethno, muse, ecology, focusing on senegalese music, and I changed my major again to creative writing and I dropped out. Ochre saw many years. Did you get through? I went. I got through once master thy dropped out and spend a year it back in about a city and then went back to school, for I think three years and then dropped out because at one of those low home recordings I had made had found its way. Dan kratz gear drag city and he was like: let's make a record really. How did it get their visa will oldham? Will Oldham saw you how seldom had played in nevada city at magic, theatre right and my friend Adam Klein had given him one of my home recordings and
in my email address, have you been playing out? Had you been doing gigs? Have you been? No? Not at that point and I didn't start playing basically and playing shows until if I have the timeline right, I think it was after Dan had reached out to me about making a record, and I think at my then boyfriend Noah was really close. Friends with andrew ban heart, who cited my girlfriend yes, but also so I knew him just do we were friends and eventually Noah and everybody. Yes tonight even know over very cloud and they were in san francisco. Yes, and no I was you met noah how he's from the city. I always you grew up with him. I didn't know him growing up, but he was around. He was a little older than me and I met him and we ended up at for one stretch of time. I was an undergrad at mills and he was a grad student at mills and
haha he's a music guy, he's a music guy, but engineering mostly well at that point and he's a composer also. He got a competition, a masters in composition, but he also is very strong on the engineering side Ok, so so between will all them and nowhere in the end, your stuff got to drag, say yeah I wouldn't know, did no, I didn't know, I help you with those on recordings. He I mean he set up a microphone in press play on this computer and left the room they weren't they were. I mean, I think he would say as well that they will know that. No, That's the one I have the one, the air they were like enron, euro area. There is no like forethought given to write mike angles or just like your dear you're stuck up yet, demo, while no honestly at first. He was here report this, so you don't forget that song
this road and then and then the next step basically was like you're playing a couple shows so here's the thing that you can sell. Shows that interesting difference between you and will is that day he seems put out everything that he does a good guy puts out a record every couple of months. I prince Billy, thick white, there's more is this, what was this guy just put one record out and then just start the next one. He am very envious of that. Actually, are you waiting for book week, but not credit anybody, but I got it soon in listening to your your music and into these records, I mean a lot goes into it. Yet he have to orchestras after put, did be put to you There is a lot of stuff you not supplying guitar and incite who wants to drum on this freely rights. Are you me? Ok, so now we're now we're in it. So you're doing it first drag city record with Dan Yan who loves you.
And you are, you know, you're, I think a big act for them- yeah, yeah yeah. I guess I can't like him I have just been mine bowing to people who had ever seen you before justice, like this woman, comes out with this giant harping things in this amazing voice, but these Sweetly unique as it so gripping hire you well. It says a heartbeat what the fuck is happening, yeah and then like that and the sound of a harp is like what what what what yup I mean. That's true, that's why I the first person I saw who played the harp I was a little kid. I was like what is that I need to do that. Then I mean that's any any harpist. You see, I think we will we yeah, even if its energy, the environment, I dont know it's like. I think it's been a long time since, but it's been associated with the branches and you know sort of passive, playing hasn't it I mean I imagine that still exists. I mean
is how I you know paid my car insurance for the first, my point: what brunches do the brian, the harp diet, You know loomis in sacramento, rock lan of these places have country clubs and I used to in high school, and, during that year, off after I left mills when I just like working a coffee shop out, go play mother's day, brunches and easter run What was your was your sat list? I mean, like standards, all instrumental. I'm in a low, classical easy listening. Classical talk about then some beetle thong some poppy classic Yeah yeah, I learned by ear. Well yeah, although I would have chart intellect not charts exactly, but I would take the sheet music and I would write the cord
and now let just write the writer g above it so that I wouldn't get lost and and then I would just kind of just improvise on them- play the play him straight once and then play him like eighteen times longer, right spacing out and just plain weird little nudity stuff with my right hand, and everyone would be like eating their eggs benedict and brutal yeah. It's a little brutal as a musician. To be background or you can get lost in no, I wouldn't say with brutal, and I wouldn't say that I got lost in it. I would say it was better as a job goes than a lot of jobs, sure she put up his first. record and you know, drags idiom, embody prince Billy's a fan and you ve got the ugly this. Actual alignment with the style of music. That's going on in san francisco. At that moment button
but somehow or another, you know Van park parks. How does how does that happen? That was, you know. A couple of years later I was a big fan of song cycle and his record, and I had this album I had written and I knew I wanted it to be an orchestral record. So I was looking for someone to work with that and through you reached out to him, I did I wrote a letter and he. Met with me in los angeles and hotel, was a roosevelt hotel before the words about hotel, got when redone many dollars a kind of trash, yeah, yeah yeah. I can afford a live thing. It runs about with my heart and vandyke and his lovely wife
and met me in my room and he sat on the little like chairs and arose about, and I thought I think, on the edge of a bed and played the record for the big harp yeah. I drove my big harp too hot. What are you so? You have to truck your whole life right, no, usually vans caravans, all my life yeah and you can fit it into certain wagons, like I drive sort of just a wagon, but I see sat there wait for them remain on the record that ended up being a major played, the song sort of, in order that I knew they would be a hot and the hinges sat there and listened and then vandyke said a few really sweet things to me and I was an exact sure like if we ever was a deal or non yak if he cause he was so straightforward and nice about it. My what were you, sir, like just orally yeah. I think this can be a lot of fun. You know that kind of thing and then and and
hmm Ebay me a very nice compliment that I'm not going to repeat on the air cause that just sounds like AL two I'll be tooting my own horn, but but was like very nice, and I held it very close for years after that, you know, and it was just like you know, there was a real nice experience, and then we started just sending things back and forth music like sound file. Yes, he you know, would sketch ideas out like an a really quaint like all right programme. He had, I don't even know what the name for it was, but you know where the little horn sounds would be like work the violin sounded like, but it was enough for me to understand the shapes and the harmonic things that were happening and the density in guinea, rhythmic, stuff and
I did the same thing with him that I've done with everything sense every record since with collaborators which has just basically the road like along kind of essay, about what I wanted each I found to be in terms of what I wanted the arrangement to convey emotionally what references are touchstone. I wanted it to include if any in terms of actual sort of like the idea. I want this to be a copeland ask moment or like on top of all the usual. there are certain songs where I dont have is good at the ninety and then there's more back and forth were and then there's. I will also do a pronounced, the lyrics and all right above individual lyrics what I wanna be happening here. You know like this is I want this to be like a brass contra bundle moment with four like lower voice, brass instruments, or I want this to be a you know
am I a bunch of violins playing in unison so that they create an n violin esque, almost synthetic sounding flat. You know no vibrato or that, like these sorts of things and just notes or something less specific, like I wanted to get really big here. I want everything to drop out here. I ve known, I don't want any brass here. I want to just would winds that kind of thing So you hear it on your have not necessarily mean for me that that's, but still pretty nonspecific those areas sort of textural, alright yeah, and sometimes I hear it in my head. There were there were a few collaborations on this last record, where I actually sent like a sound file of me humming of an actual part. I wanted to be played or playing it online, in the know like this is the flute right now a counter voice. I want here whatever, but usually I don't hear it so. This is in lieu of the writing.
These are yeah. This is how you do yes, although that said, I think that, if I was you know a whiz at notation and I could orchestrate and right music perfectly. I still think I could have. I mean that record east would have sounded different. You know, like these songs on this record, would have signed a different. I think in the best case scenario, a good collaboration create something that's. better than you know more than like. I'm writing in a vacuum up until that point and open it open there like aperture up whenever a little bit like let in this sort of element and the conversation happens around the song and then.
It like, I think there, there's always an order of operations for me when I'm making a record where I start in a total vacuum. I don't want anybody's opinion about anything and then slowly, slowly, slowly as I go along by the very end when I'm mixing, I would like play mixes for people it'd be like to sound too buried. You are too tiny or to whatever so so. We are equally as in aged in nerdy about the entire production process from the second. It comes to you compositional to all the way through, yes, more now than they used to be like when I made that first record, when it may milk I'd mender, no recorded it and mixed it, and I think was only in the room till I pick performance as rise like I'm. What was some were in terms of what is involved is similar. of what was involved, but if I were to make a solo harp and focal record today, I guarantee you owe me sing there like
and zillion comments like because the thing I you not sorry, you liked to assume a more mature artist about it. I am a little nuts about certain things, but I also just think lake. I didn't have an opinion when I was twenty one and recording, because I have I listened to like six records ever you know what I mean like you end up being so insulated I mean, did you watch tv and go to movies? We didn't have tv, I went to movies sometimes, but we there was music being played around the house constantly I mean every buddy, both like performative, unlike records were played, but, like I listened, my brother would have albums and I would listen alarm and, like you know, just whatever was like mainstream popular, I would be like singing long deferred, lyra what I mean like, but I, but I didn't purchase
an album that I would put on when I was home alone of my own volition until I bought fleetwood mac rumours on sixteen and listen to that. Basically, like you, know, hermetic, until it was like the album has to have influence me like way more than anything, But I don't. I couldn't points aware how exactly that could be traced in the new. My songs, but I didn't even get tusk and tie was like tat one or two. I was out any get involved with two records: I've jaundice deviant you. Yes, I love him. So much Would you get to how'd you get hooked up with Steve albini, because people like associate him with a lot of music, but the truth is he records a lot of different types of music, but it seems like he. he actually come out here to record you. He dead, that's where I had several times. love. You will. Let me tell how do you mean that guy I'm him
Why didn't you I reached at home before I ever knew him, because when I was working on east I've sorta, like always been really obsessed with the idea of balancing elements out, especially in collaboration. So I was working with thin dyke on these kind of like sumptuous, lush, cinematic and very romantic. Rightly copeland. Ask arrangements or arrangements I was really important me that at the core of this record would then be a recording. That was that, basically sound like you are sitting in the room with me like. I didn't want to lose brought intimacy in the immediacy of the harp and vocal periods, and I feel like Steve as the person Basically it's almost. He delivers basically reality, but he delivers the lake beautiful version of reality. Like events, if it's. documentary held you deliver. The version where, like the lens is real,
Beautiful and right ran like your lit really well, but is still documentary ino, a key he its. He records like how the room sounds, but somehow the best version of how the room sounds. He angles everything exactly correctly. He make sure the instrument is angled correctly, so that the residence it just sounds warm and real and beautiful, she's gonna feel hop. He's just gonna feel so I wanted him to record it. But then I wanted general remark to make fit because it than I want this third element, because I feel it the way that GMO roared mixes records would be a strong reference to. Simply the vandyke parks, early stuff and randy newman early stuff, and that this kind of very early seventies way of treating an orchestra that doesn't happen very much now kind of the the opposite of lush cinematic orchestral treatment. What one in which the individual, textures and voices and character of
instrument exists and through rises up in these little vignette, maybe irey stylize, homer stylized, and I feel like that how Jim mixes? and so I really wanted each of those rules to be fulfilled by each of those. People and he didn't really want any crossover, just sort of I did on this last record too. You know the the the various that the only you know cause. It was a five year process to make this last record, and I wanted it to be the case that the only common element from step to step would be me so that I could kind of like oversee it and sorted and they wouldn't be too much emotional investment or ego on the part of anybody else involved where it could have this kind of like take what worked and and maybe shook off wooden Oregon. So by working with these, these different young people, who are helping, arrange and people who are helping sort of moved the sound you saw them is just the odysseus, almost separate piece Is that all sort of came under you and you could use them? However, you wanted.
Sure, although it wasn't, even though I mean as long as in the moment which tap son and I were in a room together were on equal footing, are not under me. It's just rath regret that the finished product from that phase of the club action is then something that I can work with on my own and right, you know rights, once you do once you eve, serve executed for collaboration and vision for the balkans and the harp, and then for the orchestra with vandyke and end with jimmy and do you have the mix yeah? You know why you, your relationship with each one balancing collaboration, and then you can sort of way. Thank you. Now, we're gonna put it all together That's true, although the one thing I will say is that even the mix ethan that record here, Jim did I hadn't I still haven't got to. The point where I am now in terms of mixing where I need to be in the room like overseeing and wrote, and almost directing like every move, get that stands still allowed myself to be dismissed from
room for you, no five hours, six hours straight row is just like lying on a couch outside, while Jim Were you just mastered agenda all right? I got it o was, I get out of here, like the heat, the way that he works, which I respect is that he basically wants an opportunity to do to give his take his complete, take like his. This is how I would make and then I can give notes? You know I'm only listen to. I don't really know who he is, but I got one of his soul albums. Maybe from its you drag city, he asked So I came to their young. I remember playing in thinking like this guy's, a real guy with it yeah early because of the production, yeah he's an incredible producer and most beetles right right, yeah, sometimes anywhere in the range of what he does and can do, is pretty astonishing. Hee hee hee is also very classically train dude, but he you know like for you, for each in his mixing of vat record. He did a fine
Pass basically on the arrangement where he he was like and it was very reverent towards van dyke's compositions, but he would he just sort of decided, like this particular section. Now that the record exists as a complete thing. I can. I just feel that moment needs to go away. You know so you'd like edit. It was like a final phase at it arrangements, which is something that I now do myself and did with divers. But at that point wouldn't have felt the confidence to do and as you learn new things from these people, I would imagine yeah I, as I learned so much about mixing from from TIM, like the way that he just sort of carves things out and rides yeah. The vocals you know, like the the vocal volume, is modulated so much throughout. You know where it sits in the mix even spatially. It sometimes moves over the course.
His song, depending on what's happening, instrumentally. Wow, I learned a lot from him and from van with Jorn van dyke, I I mean I'm a huge admirer of his and he was incredibly collaborative with me on EAST. I think that's, maybe not necessarily as much how he works normally like he. He I think tradition we actually is more of a like. This is my take on the song whether we are most people who are just regular mainstreaming. People know em from working with brain wilson. Writing, yes, on smile and soon to be kind of a collapse. ration or strained co every yan ours wasn't particularly strained when he's older, but I mean, but I, but I think you know- we've talked about doing stuff since then, and and ruled it out, basically because the way that he now works.
the way that we worked than like that, like it's no longer an option for me, the sun five passes of notes about think what I need to be If he doesn't want to deal with, I mean I don't want to speak on his behalf. I don't want to word it then how he would work let's, but he you know he he tells the best stories in the world and he a gentleman delay good, so, on, like now, unease was: did you will win? I know I'm gettin sort of specific do all these records the obviously see them as whole records. You may indeed He them as having a story. Do they have a story in your mind on allow only in the broadest definition, wait for each song is separate, but you are thinking in terms of the record while it it depends which record we're talking about, but like it was nice, it seems like The even this construction of however, in the way that its way out and they even that the the painting.
if on that kind of symbolic kind of renaissance, he whose style is it what's that, based on in a way frau philippa lippy, Yeah! I think a white beard there something that demands that you reckon with this as a whole piece and as it as something that is, is all one, the air, that's true indefinitely, bundling who painted the that peace? He and I worked for a long time on. Ah, you know figuring out, the allegorical rough it like every element in that painting is representative of something in the tradition of the lot of renaissance writing and at all, can expect to the record. So you were all part of your party It was very specific work, yeah, yeah and the way the text is and that you know this sort of renaissance you feel of all of it. You you that you're all on top of all of that, yes, and then we get
to have one on me words. It's almost like this kind of like nineteen twenty stated bearer cover yeah The images that you chose to put into the records were something very for something new, modern, something you know sensual and something. What was the intention? Basically with each record, have done so? are then the narrator of the record has been some version of myself. You know it hasn't. It hasn't been that a purer on edited version of myself, but it's been sort of a mina, the story, the songs have elements of otto biography, or you know, speaking to my own experience and their united by some common character and that characters you know an exam. hated and or edited and or stylized version of myself and the way in which that character is portrayed.
in the packaging and art is meant to basically illustrate like this is the narrator of the record, and so in the case of have one on me. Well, let's say with esa was a much more well, I don't wanna, I don't wanna say too much about it, because I sort of want to leave it open to interpretation, but there, but there's sort of a different, and I like ARCA typical identity to the narrator on each record and have one on me obviously is more of like them, you know our difficulties beginning and like that, it's it is much more physical. Much, The songs speak a lot more to very sort of physical life, stuff like drinking eating and like
like you now being a woman, you know like more. There is obviously more like romantic stuff record and more dry sort of like as compositional different. I mean there are songs at that there that are there their view. If we produce and orchestrated by their white cares the repetitions of cord patterns or a little more accessible on some of the day Yet it is it's a much earlier record growl around more grounded, more earthy, more and grounded in like body and am also like looks yeah to release them other than I think that like the melody and corn structure the right. I start with.
Generally happened around the same time as me, having like, I dont, think I would have the desire to write the song in the first place. If I wasn't thinking about this group of things like they're there, I've got like a cloud of sort of ideas in my head that feel like they're, probably connected, and I want it. I haven't compulsion to like
spread them out and make the connections clear to myself. There's a general idea or collection of ideas that I have preoccupying me like the idea of, or questions about, permanence or impermanence of monuments and lie innovation or erasure, culturally speaking, and what it means to be remembered like what that actually means, and I and then I think what happens is when I'm preoccupied with all that stuff, which is basically to say death. You know like then, then, when I encounter things that are interesting to me, that that might in some way connect to that, then they just sort of take root more and I- and I read more about them- and sometimes I reject them like this
doesn't really apply right and then other times I dont reject them and I feel like I want to know more and then let us send me tangentially down some other direction and then usually like with some like this one year. You reach a point where there's this, like electric thing that starts happening, where you turn up information, that's too perfectly connected in right, just circles back in a way that you just start seeing the song actually form itself and its in its things are doubled and tripled. Like the saint, you see the same word, but it means through different things and they all have resonant truth in the store, you're trying to tell it within that song or you know like and then and then it just there's a velocity ina. Like it picks up and picks up and picks up and by the end, its just sort of writing itself, and then all you have to do is find the right words because they have to adhere to a particular rhyme pattern or what not. But that's just.
that he too do you have to do things for fun, I was a I one of my really good friends who lives in l, a anna. She and I go on walks and go out to lunch and stuff, and she and I were like walking recently last fall. america came and she was she was like kind. mad at me. Not mab issues like I just don't understand. You haven't talked about this at all like, but you know I was working on the record for like three years and we years know I work while I worked on the record for five years, but three years of that around, I was hanging in l, a and walking with her and lunch and stuff. Just like you, ever once talked about it ever I would not. We would talk about like pillow fabric our houses and lake. You know restaurants. We wanted to try and whatever, like I mean we talk about whatever yes
The great front we talk about the the gamut of things, but the point is lake. I kind of compartmentalize like there's when I'm working than that's how I work and when I'm not working than I dont really go to that place in my brain, and I just you can do that. I do that. I have to do that where I would be insufferable to myself. If I didn't know what, when did you learn the lesson that cause? I imagine that, given that experience as a child, were you locked in might not have gotten out. That was a point where you I to learn how to get out. I honestly think it's. It was more like a social insecurity or social anxiety, thing like that, the part I think I knew pretty early on that the same part of myself that would compulsively sit and work on heart, music for, like six hours straight, wasn't going to be a hit. at nevada union high school, like
after he had a like sort of tend to that other part yeah. I gotta go talk to the people yeah and I was good added, then I'm not good at it. Now, like I still to this day him the horrible social awkwardness and anxiety and link, you will walk away from conversations being like. Why did he said you know like, but but they I think at some. There was just a split from an early age where I am I have like private self and then the way I interact with people- and I don't really intersect very much. We certainly you know like mary to do that. You know it comes with a full history of social stuff. I mean you you're, marrying into the snl family, yeah yeah, that that must have been a crash course and yet a lot of what those kind of people I think, unfortunately, knowing lots of them, you don't have to talk much. No, that's very true
Just sort of hang out gets more althea, that's to listen to them time, although, like I don't know, Surprisingly, we held an inconvenience comedians like actually wanted talk about things besides, comedy: oh yeah, now they're all very good. They have a full range of their fatal people, but you're also totally right. I mean there's many, a dinner where I've just sat there like watching the snl anecdote, like ball pong from person to person across the table. What he like like, I used to Andy, like my only knowledge of him, is when I talked to him in here and, and he seems like a a very sweet and sensitive decent dude. He has all of those things many times over. Well, that's the best I saw him man you're sitting at watching you like it like cause like as a car
I can have somebody, you know who does a certain thing and, like you know, you know my girlfriend she's a painter and- and you are very special and specific artists that that he, he you know, really knows what they're doing and- and this is what you do, and you know it's complete different than what I do. You now and heard she I dont understand were her paintings come for. So when I of getting choked up for some years ago. When I saw when saw him just sitting there watching you like, with this kind of like yeah like that that there is a tremendous you know a real kind of beauty to a mutual respect between creative people. You know, I think, that's very true, and it's so fortunate that you you're from totally different suppliants yeah, that's true, because then I can be I'm very awestruck by what he wrote and right is a very special thing and they just don't cross. You know what I mean
And, like I just you know, I must be just dumb. It's it's a healthy in a way, I think that's chair, and with the last song, your time is as a symptom as a poetic ideas and as a love song or an exploration of love. You know you as you yo you can see you maturing and getting older on your records. Can't right yeah. Can you yeah, I think yeah you can see me like. I thank you that you can see my relationship with time and death shifting lyrically and do you find that you know sort of you're creating these this poetry- and I, like you, know, like I somehow made a note here- that you know that when you start to really engage the possibilities of music
as you get older and more sophisticated with it. If these things are something that you your kind of meditate on in and are somewhat terrifying mortality in love, I mean: do you find relief from fear through the music to some extent? I think it feels good to be doing something. Like I dont mean in the centre of distraction, I mean like texts taking an action and obviously that this record in particular, is asking unanswerable questions. So it's not like it's complete once the questions have been answered, then I'm going to be answered, but there I think there is like a sorting process that happened for me as I went through. Writing the songs where I was at least breaking down the questions, three reordering them somehow, in my mind, in a way that made
the unanswered ability of them less unbearable. In my life tat, I could be more comfortable with the unanswered ability of the questions in general in general and maybe sort out one or two that felt answerable to me, like a sliver of a question or half question so like in the sense sadie like as you move through these records and these these the creative process and in the final pressing d are they. Are they sort of documents of your coming to grips with these different parties? stuff? I mean like you when you say unanswerable questions. Are you more at peace after this record? I think so. But you know it's like you know like in in the most vague sort of simplistic sense. It's like you can ask. You can have a song that asks like. What's the point of everything I don't know
case. So why do you keep doing things are now? But then, if you zoom in small enough like is there at some level on some level of detail? There's some question that you can answer, and so you just have to hold onto that one. That's a that's a great place to end, but I think that's true and er. You would do or do you experience like Are you ve, sad and darkness? I do have darkness. I was very sad child and I was somewhat depressed at times as a teenager. The reasons are just because one of europe's attitude when I was a child, I was sad for reasons, but you know comical like where you know like nuclear war and aids and starvation in somalia and just like in the wash
both my words. We're all gonna die in an idea. My mom, was a member of a group called, I think, doctors against nuclear disarmament or something and they used him in our living room, and I was so little that I think that nobody thought that I was taking it in, but I really was Oh my gosh terrify nuclear war, or knows they were toddler, and you know that, like that and then I I took a chill pill as it were and stopped thinking about those things quite as much I appeal being decision now. I think I just turned out
when you're, really, when you're that little, you haven't quite built up the defence to learn how to turn away from something. That's frightening. You know you just look straight at it. I know a little baby that does not a blank in the bright light or something like that. You're just looking at these glaring the horrors and then I think we learn a little bit too how to meet them out and break them into dose. That are considerable and don't just paralyzed with fear and saddened, compartmentalize yeah little better. So I did that as I got older and then I don't I didn't really long winded answer your question, but I think I'm actually probably a very like very happy person. I don't, I feel happy most of the time if I check in with myself against stressed and freaked out and traffic stuff, but I've been praying yet because I feel like you're your music and how absorbed you can get like seeing you perform live. It's almost like you know when you're in it
You know any in the other instruments are playing an you're at the centre of this saying you can sort of completely. Engaged in your music as somebody's watching it. It's it's something that is happening. You know we're watching a performance but but there there's something happening on stage that is so unique and specific in and not quite war connecting with the sound, but is it your almost feeling I conjure like so into it yeah and then, when you come out and you're just sort of tuning you're like oh she's, human, okay, good there's, there are people that that person is not some alien being right. I think it's a good thing yeah! I do. I definitely think that, like qualifying it in any way in terms being good or bad. I I can't say, but, like you are watching me.
on a good night at least and like a fully actualized state, where I'm, where I am there's no separation between, like whatever the most essential part of myself, is and the thing that I'm doing like all the all the fake shit or the learned, shit or the fear, shit or the majority share it. Just in the moment of playing backs away and then, as soon as I stoppages, blondes back on me, you know how you feel that and that's the way you feel and that sir submit thing. You do you're very special artists and his good talking here take it in take it in just having conversation, whether does not do justice to listen to in a divers and the on before, to pick your whatever record you want? Tour dates,
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