The very cora very nice is awesome, yet ten, nine eight seven, six five for three two one brian trot Brian Trochar, bryant roger hollow famer, loafers nations that on his great like, Welcome once again to another interview, special of thirty two thoughts supplied cas presented by gm sea and a new sierra eighty, four x, merrick alongside Elliot Friedman, an emerald damage Anne Elliot. The book is called all roads home alive. On and off the ice. Brian Trochaic, our interview, guest today This is an excellent book. You oughta with stephen brunt I'll tell you- I don't know about you, but I can never get enough islander dynasty stories and not just the years that they were successful. Not just the as they were racking up stanley cups, but the building of the islanders. He to me that that islanders team was it was create I bill hoary starting with a blank piece of paper.

That's why I have always made the point that I think bill tories agrees general manager in the history of the any chow, because he was able to plug all timers and put him on this roster weather It was pod van on the point whether it was bossy on the wing whether was gillies on the wing and in the middle of all of it are. Today, alleys, bright, roger We should also mention that at the islanders game on Sunday night, where they shut out chicago, justin born tweeting out on Monday, that more than sixteen thousand dollars was raised by fans from the large gillies foundation. Just in saying his wife and her sisters and mother all in attendance, so excellent. We should mention that as part of this when hobby, Canada was in lloyd minster all those years ago we were still at the c b c and I, out there, along with the rest of the crew, for the concert and show that we put on during that weak and Brian Trochar was there and he played some music and

I am myself in darcy talker introduced him. I told one story about one year in house league hockey, I wore number nineteen was born in nineteen seventy, so this was during the islanders eight days they were winning stanley cops and I remember. I made a terrible play and my coach said to me: you should not wear a number. Nineteen, u r, o brien, Trochar and looked at him and I said who is which was not the answer. He was really hoping for I'm guessing. You didn't grab twenty two after that, one by any stretch, the put it this way I could have on the number- and I was not making me seven impersonation, as in any jailer, I really enjoyed this conversation with Brian traci. You know, there's always good bothers it's a wonderful book. It's it's great reads, and you know there's always a saying you know you should never meet your heroes because you know sometimes will disappoint you, because at the end of the day there human beings as well and I've had it-

experience before but man. I grew up a fan of just about everybody on that team. I loved Brian trochaic, MIKE bossy clark, alleys bar born all billy, smurf Agora, Gary how it bob Nystrom and the urgent thing about, and Brian writes about this in his book to the entering about that islanders. Team is nor during the a day they all had their fan clubs. I gary how it had a fan club. Bob nystrom eg, you expect like their branches, she will have a fan club, of course, might bossy labour fan club, of course, It was a team that was so loved by market, and you can still like see the effects and that the ripples still exist of what that team. Two islanders fans. Obviously it was a dynasty there. records that they set that will never be broken and ice,

still maintain that in the history of hockey. We still underestimate just how great Brian Trochar was. Yet we look that era of centres. I dont know that we ve done enough time to mention just great this guy was, I mean you know the same vintage, how It was at islanders team, like you, could do take the style and they would beat you added. the game sure we can play that more beat you wide open Seven six game will be to their tough game. We that too high flying. Skilled didn't matter what type of game it was the islanders could beat you at work. every kind of game he wanted to play. I just love the melody. There's only one number. You need to know ninety concerned If we are serious one note,

it's going to do. This was a real thrill hope you enjoy it. This is Brian traci. On thirty two thoughts, the podcast interview special, enjoy the thirty two thoughts: the podcast ad free on amazon, music included with prime the book is called all roads home our guests, his brain trochar, who is always smiley? It looks like you, ve never had a bad day. Every time I've seen you, I've talked to you, you always have a smile on your face when I'm with good company. I think it's pretty easy about the hockey world is my friendly world from a kind of my head So when I'm high we're hockey guys, you know I'm at peace and comfortable. So thank its pleasure beer. Who are the curious businesses who are your good friends like other people, you keep in touch with the most

hopefully most islanders and penguin alumni tiger Williams. Quite often, some of the really good may believes that we got the bow and dallas atlanta, quite a bit and darryl settler would get a chance to talk to those guys was actually daryl. Similar told me. He and Bobby Clarke taught me how to play sixty minute game at the national hockey league level. You know you play both ends of the ice. Every faceoff modeled every battle matters you come out of the game totally exhausted, so Gerald's been a wonderful friend and mentor over the years it's either for the players association years. So no it's it's wonderful! Having that alumni group hub who were part of the the saskatchewan and coalition, so to speak, the kelly chase, the wendel clark that crew and it's really kind of fun to all we all get together a sketch when roots we, porcupine plain Saskatchewan bell recent rescheduling and you know it's really kind of cool. I will think for farmers again and we we talk about the good old days. One of the you talk. What in the book is that you

It probably doesn't end up where it does without tiger Williams, who showed up at your house once and said, come back, he came through a snowstorm in a gtl mag tires to the ranch and I had to We got there that that road to the reds from downloaded theseus road to navigate on good roads, but blizzard. I have no clue how he got there. Seven o'clock in the morning it's boxing day and I'm saying what are you doing here? He said, I'm dragging you back swift current I was thinking. I was gonna stay home cause. I was homesick and I was tired of getting beat up in junior hockey, like a little guy and every early, every game was a line. Brawler bench clearer and I didn't know, started to protect myself against six foot, two guys that were two hundred and twenty pounds, a small and you know just getting fat lip black eyes.

the school next. It wasn't fun playing five minutes, a game. You know fourth line, I'm telling you guys a broken defense, but non playing forward not played very much, but tiger came down. God may be on the way back. He said he don't want to play left wing with you, no one's going to touch anymore. He taught me how to grapple after practice, how to type guys and how to protect myself in hockey was fun again to somebody. Even looked at me: go meet the crap out of him. I would love we he an iota one. Not anymore as visas looked at me, but that was and in deltoid I needed the big brother like that at that time and pressure was a defining moment. My whole life, not just my career, but that we were friends before that we became even closer because of the line made

and I think he had a strong desire to make the nhl and would like every day at practice. There was something we worked on and it was had a lot to do with tigers were the one timers for doing worthless, they were doing this backhand passes and that added to my desire to make the nhl and maybe that push and pull, and the ying and Yang of having a big brother who kind of looked out for me and taught me how to like all the things he taught me in junior hockey great appreciation, just a wonderful friendship over the years you will distinguished like what what so, what got you noticed rather is a better way to put it because, all of a sudden, the game, you know you have more ice out there. The game becomes a little bit easier are you writing shotgun with tiger Williams. What was the one thing about Brian trochaic that got notice where scouts conaway room? Maybe

this guy, you know there wasn't a lot of dynamic to my game. I know I think back and I was kind of the kid that did a lot of things good. I played defense in my hometown, so I could jump in the attack and and stick handle in and make plays he's in your score goals, but as always, very mindful of plain defence as well. So when I got to play to junior hockey and plain We haven't tiger. Oh my line and plain centre ice and get some power play tie, drawing a little bit bigger, gaining confidence and playing with those kinds of players at that level. Just bushehr- conference level and your sense of hay. You know I can do this, I it was kind of given goal guy, I made the easy pass. The simple past did Put anybody in the soup, try to put it in a spot They could shoot it the best possible and we worked on those kind of thing, based on the pass: no don't throw grenades, don't through a two snappy passed, they gotta fight it often too girl, and I worked on those things and MIKE bossy, and I worked on those things in part.

These everybody that you worked on, they would ve come back to the bench. A pretty here. Put it there late in front of me, you know not so hard and the kind of work on all those things, and I love that part of my game in the end kind of like beloved sneaky. I think it's a little little bit deceptive out. There wasn't super fast puzzle and a quickstep. I could get a hetty and you couldn't catch me. I had pretty good balance and those kinds of things so like working on. guys, big eyes or or smaller geyser just having they kind of balance and leverage that I had an and working on that all the time. I think added to my game, and I put seeing on people who once in a while? If somebody wants to play that game, I d I didn't hit gale flourish, uber provence, We want to have all your play. Oculist split, mumbled grind little bed, no problem. I didn't back way from anything that I liked it competition. I really enjoyed the cut in the harder, the competition, the better. I think I played

aw and rivalry games or play. I thought, my god. This can be a great game and get pumped up for that game is great, and I too, as a good. I think, all of us, I think in hockey the be good encourages, like marilla mew, Dennis pop a great captains, job, Elvis probably they motives their players inspire player, so I was always up back. I wondered like being urging and make everyone in the room kind of feel. Like hey, you got some big. I bring it tonight, let's go, let's go, let's go so guy work I play them all like: hey, hey needle mauryan, one guys who weren't bear down haha but got to bear down a little bit more. So you gotta be that voice a little bit in a positive way, and I liked that role as well, so It is a lot of little things, not ailing great, but I like to take pride in doing a lot of little things really good the mask,

what the book and and there's a lot of wonderful stories in it and I'm sure, there's still a lot of wonderful stories. You still have in your hip pocket and before we get to those, I want to ask you: do you have one or two favorite stories that you wrote about? this book ones that when a guy like me, says Brian, give us a story. This is the one that comes. Probably. Stanley cup moments are the biggest standouts composer. Those are still like a pig moments your dress ones at its highest and your celebrate. What your teammates at that, Never some moments of being a champion the ice. Your good, though, celebrations were spectacular and trying to describe those moments in the book was really fun. two reminisce on that end. When stephen was proud me in bulk me, what your would you remember about that and the faces coming to life and and those moments in the smells and the touch of the cup and all just will just magnified that now

pretty special to share that stuff. That first one special, I loved. The tripped over the bench. I know I'm leaving it down and ordered a size. My past, however, knew that story before, but by what put booked on a board like philip the somersault away, nor desire that what did did you know I have a sense that, when that puck was on nystrom, stick that that was the

I've seen Bobby nice from John tenacity practice at play. Thousands of times there was a drill. We did a practice and they would stay after practice and do it, DR than that now can deflection top self, both of em forehand backhand cross ice past. Dr than that, and when you see some like that, starting to happen, neely we have a chance to have a chance getting over their joy book. go ahead and it hits the back of the twine like it did so many times when in practice- and you say, wow, that's special when you I've seen that happen. So many time No, I didn't I didn't things go buy. You sure hope it's going to happen, because I had nothing to do that and I still remember, Lauren get not puck thrown it up. Fanelli crosses bomb past, DR than that I was prepared for my neck shift. We all jumped the boards of my foot cobb detour, the board that did somersault. I came up and there's moore robbing me and that, as far as I got as dwayne sutter somebody else and finally, the cocoa

as I see later guys, I'm nervous they loaded stanley. Then she gave Jeff second ago triggered a lot of things in my head about the book. Ok, I gotta go if you were the now this was a little bit. Of sequence. Bite I never knew that day you showed up in pittsburgh after you'd sign with the penguins you right to maritime use hospital room after he had back surgery. How did that all unfold and becoming the town and Cindy himes, is the pr director Colin Cindy's, say cindy. I just went through the squirrel hill tunnel, you're, the member, the big brick cell phones. I had one of those in my car and molding up to my ear and she says I got some bad news. Marriages head back surgery, sober alleghany, general. I said words here bristle, run over, say low, and I think that's what kind of teammates who and I went over there and I had to trick the gallant get me upstairs wasn't under merrill amuse under wrong jones and dash kind of like the miller. How do you know the braun jones as long as teammate? I just come here at home

I want to say hello side kind of little. My way up there He and they were in the room and they were this prize, is able. I have found my way up there, but I think we kind of connecticut you make that connect. and you know the loot many bond right away like hey, I care and we care I'm here to win a cup with you. Let's go get yourself better and he gave him that kind of look like well. Of course, I want to get buried, dont know mom, I'm here of your rest delay. You setbacks reggie gimme a week or two and die when came back. He was Andy. I believe not only our best player but our most inspiring player. He was one of the guys: adjuster did everything, but naturally heaved in practice. He came on the ice, and played and he was the best where a nice, I'm like a hooker was, can do that may be bobby or make me maybe go how? But here if the guy you know who wanted to be a big part of something that was special because he could feel it much like. We could there's a magic on our team at the francis deal and

yeah, there's a whole bunch of stuff going on and Mario jumped in and boom I mean the elevated Kevin Stevens. You know, mark recchi, you know cough god, I say we all got excited the whole room. America, the right to mirror the story about clark. Gillies, big man presence and you know, could stand up in the room just forward on as a scope and the whole room would get excited so tall maris had just tried to what happened: one game in america, he winks at me and he stands up and he kind of hit system. But let's go boys. The whole room, like oh, my god, It just electrified the room. You know that I was called the gene bellyful effect when you just like that big man stands up and go to school boys and does so it really kind of to see the whole room explode, but marrow had that presence. In that inspiration is such great, encourage during those always positive com and poise and his wife follow me around guy, like that, will I hope, and still username ron, Johnson, hotels or immediately that it was you ve, told me they no longer have the other two.

there's two other things they stood out to me and thereby your family and there's one page. It really hit me. I don't want to stay with the line. Was you should say what the line was, but the story about your dad and wanting One really hit me so tat was a wonderful cowboy really good goodness. Sadly, as his cowboy hat on I'd, I'd try to emulate him and ride my little horse behind him. He had he had blue and I had babe and His horse, I ll, have a bigger than mine. I little mary Ellen sorrel become a buckskin horse and I just marbled adam and how he said this katelyn always wanted to be, like my dad, always wanted something Emily cook a mouse want something she don't want. This I want that, and I said, hey dad how come I always want something. You know you're an eight year old kid, nine year, old, kid He just spun in the saddle- and I may I dunno be just told me to shut me up or you're, probably just your nature,

because when you stop wanting you die and he spun back into settlers. Looking the baron, my oh, my god, I'm one I don't more. I was one of want. I don't want to die like go it's good to want. This is greatest it's good to be hungary, italy, Hungary never never be satisfied. That kind of the message I got from it as a powerful moment for me as a kid, because this is not bad not to always want something, and people said oh you're, you're selfish this or you want something and go yeah. I think I want something, but you gotta be kind of humble and you gotta become. Yet discreet. I ask what saint ives good to want and you got never stop wanting when we now take up. You want another one other want you never satisfied the second ones, your mom and the story you told about your first ever goal: puck and the other one. I really liked was the television you one where you are

start a tournament or something like that. First world juniors held in winnipeg in nineteen, seventy four and that was really kind of a fun event, because Canada, and so western hockey league junior hockey league representing canada, so they formed an all star team, Jackie Macleod's, our coach. We had patty, jenelle and er punch, maclean as our coaches and Brian sutter, myself and dumb represent our little leopard bronco team we went there and we were all want to be home, for christmas, is over the christmas holidays, we're all homesick, but we our hearts. So we came and silver to the russians. Mind. I've been envy of team canada. For you a lot of good players on the team, but I was really kind of proud of you what is more, you can celebrate cause. You came in second, but the tv went home to mom and I said mom you're alive this year, tv and she held out that tv seigneur bedroom till she she passed in two thousand,

Levin. It was snowing. I mean the tube, which probably get together with wood, with scotch tape no, my mama there's a person's tv trophy kind of thing and Everything idea was always like you know I was brian, or this is Marty that is carol, but all little trophies are pretty special that puck. That was said in obese like my first goal, because I was dad taught me everything, ready and saw how to stick handle how to shoot her do everything righty, but that goal one with closure and slid over to me, I had to come in for I slipped over to lefty and I shot at top shelf and dad kept that package nieces game. That years. You're, not a writing anymore! You're lefty so, like the kind of may muddled, Ok, I don't have to worry about always concentrating on being ready, as it felt more actually be a lefty shooter? And I also like that goal. Mom kept on her thing, isn't new viceroy, puck or something I still have the darn thing, but that was a trophy for mum and is now it's a wonderful memory for me

so we're in this wonderful spaces. The downy, when jack legacy, space and linux gorgeous the first thing by the way the brian knows me watching the room was the guitar and then he said it doesn't have any strings on a rabble rousing algeria at great, like the binding. When asked what music to cause, I mean, that's a huge part of of your story, your background, so gourd downeys. As one of my favorite stories, Bogor Downeys, the tragedy hip are on Saturday night live, and this is a huge moment for canadian music dance, Ackroyd is hosting a is introducing the band and previous to their appearance or down he's talking to his nephew and is never says, can you do Something on sergeant live, I guess away to wave to meares or do something. That's just for you and me, and courts is ok. I ain't going to do. Is you know when we're introduced and we're going to sing or we're going to perform grace to a hold up too Yours is you're about to turn eleven, and so that means that they are happy birthday. I guessing and hold up two fingers,

and he ends up forgetting. The first lie on the songs, both to be fabric, regions that he says, I'm tragically hip and steady names. The ban because he's thinking about these, these two fingers and that becomes a sort of he could story between him and his his then ten year old, soon to be eleven year old, nephew Do you have stories that are just for some one brian? You have seen so much you and through some of you have stories that are just for some one specific yeah you, but you need something to spark it. You need something that brings that story back to life like, for example, workers were walking through hospital. One time and nobody knows us but were walking through the children's ward of hospital and there's a mother.

who says my son's asleep? Can you guys come over and just take a picture with them and Patrick was in colorado at the time and patrick loss? It absolutely Patrick goes round against Joe sack X, ray barking. It's all the guys and we take a picture of this young boy, and then we get a letter back from the mother, the little boy, He gets up he's like happy as a lark he's never had a happy day for like two weeks he stuck in moscow over christmas It was one of the most emotional moments for our little team in colorado. Nobody knows those kinds of stories, but to me that's one eye: try to share, because when I did that in new york with my son, he goes down these children so happy in there in the hospital sick. I said because you know they're they're, they're hockey fans and were in here talk and hockey stores were sharing a momentary net stuck. Besides the lifts, their spirits, and hopefully they have won day out of a whole bunch, so those are little special moment of the eye that are

For me, my son is now he's an on key Would you so like he's he's gone through that doctor thing, and he sees you know, situations that aren't always the happiest on a daily basis, but he's up, he's positive and he he he makes people's lives better. Just by having a good attitude- and I think that's really kind of the message I think when we, when we do these kinds of things, I talk about Patrick Warren, Joe Sakic and the lift that they give kids. Is it just? The attitude can heal hockey players positions. There is a belief that all athletes, secretly wanna be musicians and a belief that army, sean secretly wanna be athletes your boat, while you utter limitation silly, I either. I I enjoy stroman a guitar and I was in a family band and complete

with a lot of really great musicians. I sound a lot better when I play with great musicians as we all do, but I know my limitations I, but I really enjoyed music, I'm kind of traditional country guy, but I can play rock billy. I can a lot of different brought you a little bit rockin. Elvis and that kind of stuff, but and it's a lot of fun fun with kids, it's fun with a musician it's fun at parties. I missed my buddy clark gillies, because here to sing he loved to do the gambler a little bit of wholesome prison. Johnny cash and clark was good singer and I just had to play the music. part of it and be a slow sidekick and die? It's wonderful to have those moments, we're up north here's another fun story, we're up north, it's in the book and brought a kind of a and after school teenage place, where the kids can kind of cargo do their homework. That computers at a ping pong table

pool table and some some musical instruments over there and the place is just mayhem and it needs it needs some help and we're trying to fix it up as best we can coming into town. We need some new cues and pool balls and the computers are plugged in and that kind of stuff where we're trying to fix them, we can, and I took the guitar down, started tuning and start strumming it and all the kids settled, on the kmart over just kind of calm, the whole room I sit, who knows country roads and it gives a sort of and the kids started singing one kid came up put his ear on the guitar, I said they always do. That is such a said. Noise daft wanted to feel the vibrations on the guitar, and I was just audio almost in years, but those those moments of music that bring us all together. Campfire music, you know in in, amongst you know, native kids way way up, north and and that powerful thing of music, it's kind of brings everything kind of calms and care brings every smile and every base face? Oh no, I really enjoyed music, my sister, Cathy Phil.

her band out Saskatchewan and her boys, They good little musicians and drummers in qatar players, but that yet we pretend to be professionals with them. India, when you pick up a guitar, what's the first song you, you struck I'm kind of a willing nelson kind of a guy like blue eyes, crying in the range of blue ballads, a kind of come to mind. Songs are made here my dad, to think of my mom. When irish smiling happy song juno such a pretty well, today look in the sunshine than the other Somebody's gonna make people kind like pop up and those are our wake up calls in the morning, tat. We start playing guitar and our accordion sing a song salmon. Those are kind, the first songs I gravitate but yeah anything that has a wailing jennings or a moral gerda of that generation. I'm all in, and gillies was a good singer. Was anybody else you played with a good singer, good musician?

no, not on the islanders. There is no good position. Sickness and Johnny nelly did a good elvis junctional. No really good elephants Anyone who was an awful singer but loved singing dennis potman. I said investor Dennis and the guys would say, Dennis shot up. But I say my bad singer said yes, but anybody who sings with a smiling face like you, you can sing anytime, you want to, and but oh god yeah we had some. We had some clunkers. That's ok! I just want to ask you: Jeff brought up the room and what this room is about the people who will watch the interview will see that there are some beautiful indigenous artifacts tributes in here and you talk a lot about that in the book, and you know the forward is written by jesse hu. I I didn't really know that well to the last awhile and theirs what's going on a north american now about reducing.

bring history and in what really happened and jesse has rights. A very powerful forward about learning, who you were wearing your number and look around the. whom Brian abandoned and just tell me what you think in and what you feel. While I noticed you right away the key you got goodbyes in here. He said a dream, catcher feel all the art. It has a spiritual aspect to the indigenous peoples, but for all of us I take it. Just recognizes the talents and the the difference of talents. It's music love of nature animals, and you see it in all their art. You see it feel it and that's how we were brought up. That's how we were brought up with just you know, embrace your your blood because you know you have all these natural talents and without old music and nature and animals and art and everything that kind of goes with indigenous blood.

And you know it was really kind of fun, tat kind of feel, like all we have to put up on somebody else where there is true or not. We just believe that think that's a powerful thing when you had that that strong faith and believe I've, always impressed overly impressed with the talents nations or music and support everything that they do. It resonates remind my bones. Let me ask you whether that islanders game I've, always said, were anyone's ever ass. It does my favorite hockey team ever inheres. Why you guys can play any way that you wanted?

you guys who play a skill game because could play a tight defensive game. You guys could play a tough game. You guys can play river hog upon hog. It doesn't make you guys could play any way. It must have been the most frustrating team to play against. I've always wondered about this. The andras must have been so hard to play against is almost as, if You said it their team. You tell us how you want to play and will beat you at it. It was a tina. Would frustrate you to know, and that's how I imagine your islanders team- and I do wonder sincerity- mentioned pod famine and bossy and billy smith and go right down the listen yourself and jethro. who do you think was the most underrated player on that team? Who do you think that history should talk more about We had. We had a lot of fun unsung heroes without a doubt, the other at the hall of fame, peru, but an end. You know the obviously the tenacity, the nice, the girl rings kenny moral, because the real goal, meddling

we're stanley cup who's ever do that again. Kenny's aunt, unsung heroes, Dave logic, knox on here or our swedish kids in old underscored, thomas jobs, Stefan Pearson, what they brought to the team. You know you Harold and not for me that, for me I I'll say for me: the guy sat next to on the road all the times. Gordy lane gordy lane is my super unsung heroes: Billy smith loved them, because nobody stern prominent when gory was on this. He was mean and tough Nobody took liberties with any of us when gordy was on the ice in the lineup, because he would turn em up, and you need that present and glory was fearless I'd, love them for a whole bunch of but he would he would speak. On the level that everybody else understood. It was just like guys. Let's just go out there and win it, no matter what and that's how we

laid, you know gloves on gloves off. He was able to play any style and he worked at it every day and he would try to improve himself and he wants to be a big part of things and I'll give you one quick story, sure we're in boston and hits we played toronto and his plate came in late and he was tewin at the bid to get enough toronto game. He came washington. So we played in Boston the next afternoon, replay saturday night here replied sunday afternoon in Boston raw little too, but gruesome line up he's all gung HO world time he's on the ice. He were killing a five on three seven on the ice I help gordy out here a little bit. He sit next to me, locker room, we're stepping on the I said. Gordy five Three anything goes right. He goes up. Anything goes well. I meant block shot you no clear puck for ever going to do anything goes. gorgeous pitchfork and guys lashing guys. Meanwhile, for peterson the haul off the ice, they they are rick middleton going in for stitches and he slashed ray bork he's good he's going in to get x rays

and I said to the values are reared. Our up accept the basic gordy. Anything goes clear. Punctually blocks articles cross, whether you do What is five on two? I took out three of their best players. It's like a bouquet. He will get two more minutes for slashing. There was a moment where I am always cures I'll, ask every single islander who was on this team about this one particular moment? I think this would this probably would have been clark, Julie's, rookie seas. But where were you? And what do you remember when he handled dave shots I was in junior hockey and that made that made all hockey canada, for we got to see highways with this the whole start of it or the end or the end But we saw the guts of it. That was big news

I made the hockey news, obviously knows you're a western canada boy brought the toughest sky of our era, but I was playing. I went back to junior play hockey and clark. He was a first year islander and yeah going into philly was not fun, but I'll tell you. Another story make the book after this, but it was, it was pretty impressive. What came back was like clark, stood up, Dave and a scotchman boys they for David. from rose towns, scotchman, heart hercules, moose ass, a scotchman, and here they are you to the toughest guys and leave the toughest reputations and you near there go and toto. or young kid clark, gillies or veteran guide dave the hammer Schultz who got the better of it ill? My book profit clark but ill hammer. No slouch he got his punches too, but it was we cannot of kind need going into philadelphia. The first time is working

I'm sitting in a locker room, I'm I'm all excited to be plain in the spectrum against the broad sri bullies and now after warm up, it's gone round lock room gary how it starts it. I want to have tonight, then Bobby Nystrom, okay, get Celeste in. Closer me cargoes I'll, take you pot and unlike holy cow, the closer and closer pretty certain that they look at me, who you are a kid I'm like I'll, take Mcleish on and it keeps going on like this. it happens, every game I'm like or they set me up and you know sure enough. The little scrap goes on out there and there's. We are one night to nineteenth the cliched traci kind of like looking at each other. I'm like we gotta go. He goes we gotta go, I said yep, so I throw a couple punches. He asked me a three as I've had enough. Yet we're good. I come back in the gotta. Go good fight kid, I'm like whoa cave, that's all it takes. Take a couple, give a gop! Why didn't anyone tell me the guy was a kid. Can I ask you gary how it because

I have always maintained the pound per pound. He may have been one of the toughest he is. One of those guys that again same toy tiger, but he came to the game every night ready to do battle. He had a little trip on his shoulder, which of great for all of us because he he brought out a little tiger and all of us, because that that fearless if you need that and gave him a paki, because I noticed when right at the end, when I couldn't make myself get in that corner first, I couldn't make myself do the things that had to be reckless doing: that's the game of hockey and gary how it was that guy he's, no fear. Everything was reckless reckless abandon you know and he scrapped with anybody, who's willing to scrap with them, and that just made us just all just played a little bit bigger couple of things. First of all, how would you compare AL arbour and badger Bob Johnson.

That's wonderful because AL was very, very much a commander much like bob on the bench and scotty. I probably air scotty, an owl scotty beaumont. Now a little more somewhere bob was extremely poor, Not that I wasn't but always a little more known, no nonsense. The bob was all about pause, positive positive. We lost gimme to one in pittsburgh at home and we thought we were going to get our butts handed to us in the locker room after the game and bugger, nine goal, scored nine goals walked around little bit mourn toward the best one seat of more than thirty see the positive and everything I was a little more like a sergeant in the sense that he was no nonsense. His meetings were very brief. To the point look in the eye european. go see him right away. Bob was very positive. You walk

Is his room? Is those pat on the back on the way out, like Norway place, where the new year, your plane, great, keep gaunt, give gaunt, keep those legs or sometimes wait a little bit of little bit of the the both of them have that it was really one wonderful plan for both. what would your reaction when Al Arbour would say? Brian tragedy is better than wing Gretzky cause. I remember that as a kid you know that's one of my favorite stories like I said I told that story to his family after he passed and I I don't know why he said think backed into a quarter because we won the game and greasy had five points or some and it was on long island and the report came into me. You know I'll just said euro, you we'd, take you a regressive, my god, my god. Ok, that's a wonderful thing for a coach to say, but she's kind. Stuck with me in the wings kindness there, but you know I think it was one of the Things were. Maybe he did motivate me a little bit, he kind of did at the kind of say to his the whole team, like

I believe in all you guys, like I'll. Take all you guys on this team, so is kind of a wonderful compliment. I lie that, for a whole bunch of reasons, because I have great respect for our, but I think it was those moments, I think where you can kind of, why better, not let this guy down like lucky. He said something and die nobody argued with them either really kind of calling for the slight wasn't like it was like a joke cosette is likable. Al Arbour said assault there. You know, like nobody said. What are you crazy? I was like oh cameron, like what do you think of the gov can a nice to hear as as one of his players absolutely. I leave most incredible thing. You guys did was nineteen playoff series in a row. I think ever gonna see that again I like the number ninety now this good shows twenty acres, those critical- although it is not about that- and I said I- but I did all but the nineteenth hits home with me yeah but like I was right but you forget how many series you guys were down in an

and came back to win. But I was wondering of all those series: when you look back, Was there one you ever thought you were gonna lose like you said this team at us and we got and we back. Was there ever one? You look, there was the hardest or the closest you came We asked for me, like I compare these two, so we swept the orders in the finals for zip and He thought it if they even get a little taste we're in trouble. That's how I felt, and I didn't share that. Would anybody who I body might boss is a roommate and we didn t say it out loud, but I think that's how tunnel we all felt there was like, Let them get a taste and smell was spectacular net defensively, the but the king was so mindful not to give him even like, like a little taster and does so to keep course down loan not not get in a firewall.

hockey with them. You know that runnin gun thou was interesting. I would say we felt like labour, but John was edgy. We played expert. I think on our second run, and we were, I mean they hit the post in overtime. That's how close it was to nellie scored the overtime goal, scored one late Nicole hopped over randy. allow sticking and tied the game and then in overtime, tele scores that could when either, wake, as we were up two games to nothing, but that was about five that justify this right and that we wanted to fill in pittsburgh. he's in overtime than waxes. Second game come back and they dominated that all game. And we're like holy cow work. Anything were hanging on by women a prayer here and, We got a little prayer, we are lucky bouncing power play came through with the legal till he does his magic and, like you, we know from this many times in overtime, but tat was never talk and there coach, was eighty johnson. I das teddy bear. That goes out matching lines,

We had one line against you and every time we put that lay out against you out would pull you guys off. I'm like that. Still each case, always gotta a strategy, so the wonderful to get that story for media. Let me ask about out before he had that the dynasty iran there was that series against the maple leafs, and the last game- and this this was kind of been lost in history and I dont know why he was harris at the turn over carlyle bad turn. Over and over time and poor, terror made this evening. A lot of us are: ok, honours a winning it all now on land dial later comes down and scores. Or time winner in the maple leafs, go on happened in the room after that, I looked at the hours said this to you is what we hear my belief as by saying we don't remember. Seventy eight, the only member eighty, eighty one, eighty two, eighty three, but you know we do remember that. Let lead that allows deflating that landing a goal. I give us all used hale mary pass by internal that lanni hook,

The sky, like, like a shortstop, dropped down and punch punched, a she corazza alive. violent fur is boring, started to come out of the other night in toronto and our role as one of the biggest balls of his career as wherever the waves devastatingly did If he he there's not enough words to describe it because the expectations of us, you were going, go the finals at least layer and, in toronto to their credit. And again I I say this because camera busted job. It was about It was about a my buddy tyres on the team. Go ahead

with darryl settler Jimmy Jones. I remember all those guys are, you know doing battle with the holy these years of his life that everybody paul material I didn't like he. He was an incredible their whole team. Had a different level of belief. Whether was the roger Nilsen factor go figure, but does They were on a mission, and so are we we thought, but we didn't have enough. We just didn't have enough. It was back to the mirror. look in the mirror and what didn't we do right an hour? great I'll was wonderful, incense uh, you know you, he's. Gonna learn other win like you guys have to learn how to win. You guys can be like waiting for the other team to do something or expecting this guy something that we gotta look at yourself and bring something every shift. Every game it was alive curve. It was a big learning curve, big pill to swallow, but time and of thanking landing for that. I thank you for score now there really made us mad. We ve got borsier leg up after that, but I know it's

one of those things that happen and you learn from it and ye you keep going forward your last year. I am, I will say, to bring us a really hard here for the islanders were just a clerk julie's MIKE bossy, as a rapporteur in the book was, there was a kind of funny to read how you and my boss he's been Difficulty would not tell anyone what worked between you. You said that That's us that's no and no one else is good. I would imagine myself asking those questions, but your memories of two great people into great players, and you told a story on hearkeneth about saying goodbye to MIKE bossy, which was a beautiful story. it is not fun- is very, very most still pretty raw, but I think what I've learned and do we know this wall of us. We we, we honor our friends and our buddies and special people in our lives by by living life to the polls and talking about it

and talking about him with the same feelings, a tab when there I've said right next year, so yeah. mike is ever present He's alive in my memories and his wife and child grandchildren. Might love telling stories of you know MIKE Mike is just a guy. The goal score he's my very as friends I had roommates. We know where the same likes dislike food movies, tv hugh did matter like everything that that happened on a daily basis. Those ten years that we were together was just magical You know you don't have a friend that you don't see yourself in august this kid from quebec, I'm going to be best friends with him doesn't come from age when just around the corner, like my body, this yarns, like willie, was my mike. we've read MIKE bossy cause. My willie was mike, he could score like mike, but it was really kind of fun having a mike boss, who had the same humor and chemistry on the ice that desire to want to win that desire to want to control

the desired one like. What do we have to do and MIKE's gift was laura ingalls. He was a goal. He was a goal, scorn genius and there was really kind on to play with somebody of that caliber. Who could just make things happen? as easy as he did it made it look easy, but he had a wonderful get the score goals and dumb at school. maybe once in our lifetime. On the other hand, is again a guy who we just looked two because he was the big brother of the learned. He was the guy that just had the presence and he will The prototypical power forward before the term power forward was invented. this. Did everything that my of his size, could do that. Nobody else could do in the league skates they can will shoot pass. You know better than that. Make good things happen and provide that leaders. in the present that we needed in order for us to play with confidence is alive. So warm without the fear somebody's gonna. Take our heads up and cargo exhibited everything

yet now be boy thanks, greener, like gives us more wonderful how, on the left side there's one that isn't in the book, but I heard I've always wanted to ask you about this. I heard when, when you were hired as coach of the rangers, you wrote a huge pr. Fifty Heaven page. Yes, I heard about this. Does it still exist? Do you have it? I would want no blanket I didn't keep a copy. I end up faxing that to him I should have kept the copy yeah, it was it was a questionnaire and it was too for one was flawed. the fees and one was some concept so like a year, we are basically well how you you way: the game, the neck ones like concepts on team concepts, and it was spectacular. Very very it made me think a lot in a lot of things to mind as far as like introspection or how I thought which had never had to think about before. But was a neck exercise and I saw him

with the whole thing I think that was yeah. He impressed the hell out of because we were playing the playoffs. I was doing this questionnaire and I just started writing notes that shipped out off the Glenn. I dunno Madam president, you buddy, we, I think he wasn't practical babies, and pages handwritten, all less of em like all right, whatever. Whenever gets with the job, I'm in but it was a great exercise and I know I don't have a copy that darn thing out, as I heard about that the years later, that blue people away with what you did there. Well, if I'm not mistaken, it was kind of the brain child I'm ready and when he put that questionnaire together. I think he was thinking he was soon was somewhat. can pass the muster entered somebody because they were. They were really thinkers. It wasn't like an easy question. There wasn't even one of these, you remember what was on it or anything like that. It was more team concept in this situation. What would you do? How would you play this on team concepts in the other

like your philosophy on basically anything to do with the chemistry on her the team to arm you're here together line up challenges of of any other teams, it was, us in their god. Who is. Make me think, a little them back in school. I should college, for this somewhere, where I can study, but it was, it, was kind of you know wrong answer. I guess, but I just threw everything I could think of on paper that I was but was mindful to not the son. You know stupid to make stuff up, but it was kind of insight I heard it was a grab oki last one for me, you you and me we have one thing in common: we both The smell of san booger, I learned about ways that right you got a book and this thing is an eel you'll find this. I think you'll find his funny. So when was born and nineteen seventy and one of my first celebrity crushes was the bionic limb

lindsey wag lily wagner, and I learned in the book that your daughter lindsey, is named after Lindsey Wagner, and I thought that was hilarious. yeah. She loves her name. She didn't like it when she was so little because she couldn't say lindsey she'd, say windy. She can say very well, but when she learned that this lindsey Wagner was. Woman then who she was named after the story of linsey in the lindy tree and elect yet she had to we. We studied at two maker and she said so happy, but for children I didn't, namely one of em. I I thought I had parted the naming rights, but my son, Brian junior, where I didn't name him. My daughter lindsey was named by her mormon taylor, christian my eyes I was there. I remember, I was part of the hope, all the whole thing, but I just as part of the name re stupid, I lie, love, might give the guy kids Ella you write beautifully of them in the blanks? You really do. It gets anything My last question, which is about one of my favorite topics, that bill tory. Yes, I've,

with all due respect to the same politics of the world. I've always maintained that he's the greatest general manager. The game has ever seen. It's one thing to build the stanley cup champion us another to build the dynasty, and he did it, starting with a blank sheet of paper when you hear that name. What As to your mind, any stories about your tory. The bow tie that you can think of the? U like to share, while obviously it's in the book, but but but my first contract with bill. In the first time we got to meet him in the bow tie and you know get the contract. Him talk them. When they had and thank just concentrating on me and now he's going to prevent the contract to me. that was spectacular. From that moment on. You know like he like it was ever mister. Tourism is bill, call me bill and uses kiddo. All of us were kiddo, you know, that's how you always talk to. I kinda how's everything, but bill was with spare man for all of us. Obviously he was then the architecture, our dynasty, team so to speak.

He did magic. Keeping that team together. First altogether through the draft trades you but he did it and down her father. you're to all of us. Much like AL, I have, times in Torah, thou say now: armoured labelling bill there were to punch for me, but I think for four well and what he was coaching like the coach coach, layers, you got a community that the heavy The hammer out controlled are ice time built controlled our careers. Thank you d want to play. here. This, let me know I'll make it happen and you play the way I'll want you to play. You want to play the system, that's fine! Just let me know I won't you won't be here. He punched that that table with all the gunman gator we caught our attention. The bill never got mad very often when he did boy he was some is effect we love em, we met some, but he said a big part of our lives and again will always remain forever. Arts does. The great brian think is much

a lot of time with things like some. Thank you, my over our guide guy said so been absolute honor, love the room to I belong to want to come That was a lot of fun ellie and I both really enjoyed sitting down with her with the great brian tragedy. There is a video the interview as well available at sports nets. You to channel. We can check that out. It's a really cool setting in a real special room at the rogers building in downtown drawn a hope. You get a chance to have a peak it. That's thanks! So much for journeys today, again really hope you enjoyed the brain. Trochaic peace will leave you the ban from munich, germany who heavy quirky low fi. So the voodoo indy sound alone in input of putting your great music over the last decade and the latest album is something special

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