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My name is Angelina Fernandez and Stephanie Fernandez ass, my mother Angelina is my everything. I really can't imagine anything without her Just remember feeling, the joy when she would tuck man at night and give me the night time kiss. I feel like I've done a pretty good job with rage She wines have weak that picture perfect. American dream family with a nice howison kids, who are these two people, Lady, isn't my mom and the man is Andrew Wagner. My mom met him when I was six years old, which said that you would call him your stuff data show true. Yes,

He had really. My size is very handsome. He lighted. So he was really big tat was with him five years There was a lot of signs in the beginning. Severe jealousy a lot of control He would say. I trust you other people- I don't trust, I don't trust other men I hear them arguing I heard her screaming and crying. I had a talk with my mom. I know it's going between you two. Why can't you guys need to stop it? happen anymore. I walked down and I saw my mom and the neighbours in the house and like what is going on. I knew andy was her I knew my mom was in distress and just she's crying

You can see blood, nea blood footprints, blood everywhere was shock like I didn't even know what to think. I just remember one, sure my mom was ok cause. I didn't know where she went she just haven t you somethin, something duly do

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You don't say Andrew anti wagner Travis don't be late, at around ten thirty, the night before after a sudden bloody encounter with Andy at their home in Worcester massachusetts. and he says she couldn't find her cell phone socio. Rushed to a neighbour's house to get its around the left. here. The left, stir, these daughter, Angelina fernandez. Now twenty was eleven years old that night, where is your bedroom upstairs

But can you still remember the like pictures? So I was sleeping and I heard the door slammed shut and old man and then I just heard my mom for outside help me someone help me and then I just hear my mama screaming and crying when you look from the balcony down and could see your mother and Andy theirs, but everywhere, and then I then giving cpr on hand? I just remember, my mom, and she spotted me upstairs, and she pointed at me, ensures like someone her someone get. My daughter police,

took angelina to relatives house Andy was rush by paramedics to the hospital police took Stephanie to the station, where she was into an interrogation room and interviewed for almost three hours? Okay, I'll be waiting for someone. I can't even talk like it gives my right My men are like I love them, so much sooner: well. I don't know what to do like regard. I know I already enough. I learned enough that if anything bad happened to my family, please don't tell

No, I look psycho, please just for right now. I just want to get some basic information detective, william peril, led the questioning. Before we talk about the incident that occurred tonight. I have to read you your rights, okay, yeah, the right to use the telephone contact maternity. Do you understand this race happening right now? We can't talk to you Andrew. I can't I talk to you, okay, why he's haunting? Because the officers press on telling Stephanie that Wagner is in the hospital stephanie appears to settle down a bit or something or you know no one does. I would assume that's Andrews, but yes, stephanie changes into a white cover and two hours, to her interview. Finally learns Andy's fate

Andrews water with us. it is a reason why that happened, but we all know that recently Stephanie is told, Andy is dead. She begins to reveal details of what happened that night as it was, we got into an altercation and he was hitting me. That's what happened and he pulled out a knife and gone he's like choking me and hit me and stuff. An autopsy would later reveal wagner. had bled to death after being stabbed in the neck. Stuff he was later charged with first degree. Murder. I never never. Never would kill someone harm someone in that way on purpose, the need for an anti is talking publicly for the four. Time about

death of her fiance Andrew Wagner I will always love him, but how did it come to this? Just five years earlier, Stephanie was smitten with Andrew wagner blue eyes. Really nice smile, nice hair, just barely handsome man, really fun personality very talkative, and did you feel an attraction to him right away? as I we had chemistry a lot at the time and you worked at the tyre shop of a costco. He dreamed of working in law enforcement. In the beginning, Angela got along with him? What kind of things who did you guys do together? We start criminal minds together. Did your mom ever tell you actually now I love Andrew I'd I'd like to I'd like to marry andrews someday. Yes, she wanted that

so bad, a stable family for me and her she just to wanted that but what angelina didn't know at the time was that her mother's life, with Andy Wagner, also had a violent side, recalled stevinus friend Daniel Lord see constantly had like grab marks on her arms. She had marks on her Inside it ever legs, like never seen in my life. and I The little girl is me and my mom

next to me, Stephanie, fernandez, so tender and loving and shoes high. energy- and I was like her loss, I'd taken. Angelina was just six years old when Andrew Wagner came into her life, she remembers good times at the beach family gatherings and vacations. Really goats, cape cod. Every summer to his pipe. It sounds keep house which was fine. She loved him. She wanted a house with him. I wanted to get married to him. She wanted babies in those early times. Angelina says her. Mom, never said how she met. Andy Wagner never revealed what she did for a living that kept her away at night. She was beautiful

she just how these piercing eyes first, that you notice and her hair was just beautiful. Daniel lord workers stephanie in a mess. to choose its nightclub both were very intimidating in a lot of men- would say that we are intimidating, especially together, that's attractive to men. We just became this kind of dual. What did you do with the night club? Topless stanza exotic dancer, exotic dancer, strapper, and had you been trained and dancing at all my took dance classes when I was younger? not that way Daphne was a single mom. She said after she split up with annually in father, she needed to on a paycheck. I would go in there make a lot of money, and then I would get out and in detail I'm on my daughter one night back

two thousand nine, a new guy at the club caught her eye. I was on stalled he was there. We just started talking and talked like an hour. She was instantly attracted him. She wanted to be with him She didn't look at him like a customer. She was like a cute guy. I like him, First Stephanie love the attention I thought I was sent to me. He just really likes me. I think she does. start in her eyes Danielle says Stephanie and Andy's relationship quickly became a little obsessive, a lot of alarms went off whenever staff. My andy They are alarmed that she couldn't hear hear. Thirdly, possessive right from the beginning Andy was calling her nonstop mess, during her and showing up at the club right from the beginning

definition, Andy moved in together. Almost immediately in western massachusetts, Daniele says their relationship moved from obsessive, too dangerous. I've. Never in my life seen bruises like that ever and I don't. I don't want to think of what she went through to get those bruises. We recovering it. Make up when she had the bruising down there. There was nothing he could do to cover it soon after move. in together, Stephanie says Andrew demanded some changes We demand that you stop dancing. Oh yeah, yes, girl was not going to dance at a club and I said jokingly nervously, jokingly. Well, who's gonna pay, my bells, and why did he want you to quit because tension. The men taken off my top and front of men Stephanie says she stopped dancing, but the violence continued whose

me and my head and my face his choked me have any says she took this photo in twenty ten body thoughts all over the place my mouth my eyes everywhere. Why didn't you ever call the police and report this violence? I was told that bullets can go through a paper It would mean nothing with a restraining order. He would get to me where quicker than the cops wood and just I would die if I left him, I can't explain it. It's very hard, leave and domestic violence situation? You don't have your own money, you don't have any way to go? You know your broken down completely here. Rain is like scrambled eggs and you can't think for yourself and you just lie ground everyday, like urine, should Eric shock you just want to end.

and when you wake up the next day, it's just another day doing the same thing, so I think she's, Second, a situation that she didn't know how to get out of. In spite of their voice. Little relationship in twenty twelve stephanie and Andy were engaged a short time later. Andy became a corrections officer. You and Andy had bought a condo together. You were planning a wedding, correct asked. You seem happy in that picture. What went wrong so the jealousy but Stephanie admits it wasn't just Andy Sometimes she antagonized him teasing and tormented him with tax they're, pretty vicious admit that right, I do it's embarrassing. I asked Stephanie to read a few. I'm gonna ask your best friend. He should kill yourself hope a car falls on you. I admit, I'm flawed.

I can get up, sir, she says Andrew, would get upset to a special, when she wore outfits that might make her attractive to other men he's freaked out over the thing tat. I was wearing grabbed me and then Ah my bed in the room and tore off took out his gun made y know. There was bullets in it and on jammed down my thorough did he threatened to kill you? Did he threatened to pull their fight? during that time. It was. If I don't listen to him. Yes, tat, he was gonna, kill me when he was mad, he turned to a different person. His whole face we'll get read his pure who would die away, it was slake possession of the law. and entity angelina recalls seen andrew trying to head, but her mother like like that, would burn per

When it had literally make contact, no but it'd go right up in your face, yeah and yeah, and she called out ahead. But yeah did that bother her. I early twenty thirteen Stephanie decided she and Angelina needed a change. She left andrew and began a new relationship with an old boy friend mike laramie. I left on to get away from the abuse and a number of things Stephanie says both men knew about each other? What I did was ending might know about what I did. What mike andy know about, she said MIKE treated. Her very well a spoiled me in every way. He would carry me into bad if I fell asleep on the couch and just months after they got back together. Mike proposed and Stephanie MIKE brought me to niagara falls need to take out the ring.

and asked if I would marry him and I Where the ring, both men knew that you were engaged to, the other man yes about a month later, laramie says he broke off. The engagement Stephanie got back together within but she says it was more out of fear. Then love I didn't go back with Andy. He what held mike. What deftly myself of identical back with him? He never would. Let me live. One stephanie was back. She says the cycle of abuse resumed just three days before his death. Andy texted her. He said, I'm going, you effing, kill you to remember him texting that too, I remember him taxing. I now all the time, then, on the night of may seventh, twenty fourteen everything

exploded. Angelina was upstairs in bed stephanie, as she was in the kitchen preparing dinner when Andy started an argument about what she'd been doing that week, while he was away at work. That's why I started out the questions. What have I been doing all week? Things like that just escalated, she says: Andy wanted to have sex Stephanie didn't he, in Sweden, the head and china pin me down china. Remove my pants Then she says he pulled out a gun and tried to her against the couch? I was in fear of my life. I was trying to get away. Stephanie says she grabbed this knife to scare him what unfolded would soon and one life and destroy another

It just was so quick he just charged at me once I had bought me as he always would do. How are you holding the knife like this from you, so you have it up and he's coming at you right, yup What happens? That's when I might stay away from me stay away from me as he scream and I'm gonna kill you he's on the other side and he goes to grab my hand in it muster. Next, his neck, the one and a half or two and a half inch whatever it was. You held the knife that cut your feeling says artery and he bled to death with people with equal. You murdered him. My actions lead to him die. They did I didn't make a decision to his life- I did not. that to happen, but if it wasn't him, That would have been me in the trunk

more from Angelina and learn more about the case that forty eight hours dot com. As Stephanie Fernandez trial finally approached her legal team prepared her defence than us violence or intimate partner. Violence was central to the entire case, more attention was one of Fernandez attorneys at set up the nature of the relationship between these two people, and I think, raised questions about what happened. that Mr Wagner died, the trial had been delayed by procedural arguments and then the covert pandemic Stephanie had said those years in homes, custody wearing an ankle bracelet in june twenty twenty two eight years after

andrew wagner was killed. The murder trial of Stephanie fernand. These finally began Andrew Wagner's family. Was there his mother mullahs father tom and his sister julian Christophe. They declined our request for an interview surrounded by supporters. They were hoping that by the end of this trial, fernand these would be behind bars. In his opening statement, prosecutor tearing Mclaughlin said that Stephanie Fernandez stabbed her fiance.

andrew Wagner in the neck cunning, an artery and killing him mclaughlin says that Stephanie told different stories about what exactly happened. That night she said quote. He was waving a gun around, so I stabbed him and to a neighbour she said quote. He hit me so I hid him and Mclaughlin said Stephanie had fits of rage and that she was the aggressor, led defence attorney Peter edinburgh told yours that andrew way, nor was quote one hundred and eighty nine pounds of fury and frustration who violently came at Stephanie and said: quote: I'm going to kill you edinburgh says Stephanie thought she would be killed, so she acted to protect herself. We believe that when he grabbed her hands and went to go and head butter, he pulled and that pulled

knife into his neck, but prosecutors presented witnesses who testified. Stephanie has a long history of violent outbursts, assistant d, julianne carcass. Seen us. How many times did you see? Miss Bernie andy's strike MR ebner, multiple times when this is Daniel. These Stefano he was a friend of wagner's and a former police off. He says he saw fernandez hit Andy at a wedding reception back in twenty to, and can you please tell the court where Mr Fernandez hit Mr Wagner? She very precisely struck him in the face in the head with a closed fist. Do you admit that at times you have had men in your life with a closed fist hit hit them know? I hit well yeah I hit

once punched me in the head. I punched him back and Stephanie former fiance mike laramie testified. He told the court that Stephanie pulled a knife on him at his home. This is audio of learning his testimony. All of a sudden I heard a ching of a night coming out of the butcher block and I came inside and I hit it either hand, and there was another knife incident she went to my dining room table when she was gonna carbon up and I was afraid of my life. I grabbed the chair and I wasn't going to come near me with it and she stand. the chair with it like three or four time What did you do grab grabbed. All I of the things that, like MIKE laramie said

natural. You never came after Michael laramie with a knife in your hand and never then you never damages furniture where the knife. Now I did not As stephanie defence began, they called an unusual witness. Spending is william arrow wish to police sergeant the detective who interviewed her the night Andrew died. The defence showed the jury that police video, a video the prosecutors had decided not to show in that in If you detective Pero points out: Stephanie's, bruises, okay, okay, they're, not all bruises. I mean they're fresh, the fact that there are fresh bruises on her. That's consistent with how she described Andrew wagner grabbing her and coming towards her. I don't know what else would be better to lay the foundation that she was acting in self defence.

You have a resist on your face on your arm on here. sousa prosecutor show peril photos taken that night? He said. He sees a bruise on her arm, but not on Stephanie face did you see any injuries to the defendant's face in this photograph of charity? The judge overruled I do not, and do you see any injuries to the face of the defendant in this photograph. I do not. The prosecutors suggested during that interview. He may have been playin Stephanie, your questions. Are comments are designed to get the person you're interviewing to drop their guard and or talk to your correct to show empathy and the to relate to me. You want to start talking correct. I do to people thought that night back in twenty fourteen and only one survived, the defence decided they

I had no choice but to put Stephanie on the stand and nothing, but the truth so help you gotta do to her. Defense attorneys walked her through the hours leading up to Andy's death. We tried be an announcement that morning as okay and did it happen. No, she said and he became angry when she made fun of him. I made that comment as I got that of bed. My father and he came in there and snapped me a few times later that evening with angelina upstairs in bed. Stephanie say Andy with a gun in hand attacked her had with the gun choked me and he wanted. Sex. Somehow we want for, I was crying

don't get and I ran screaming. and away like don't come near me don't come near me and he was screaming. You you ve got one. I ran and I kept on sand. Don't come near me, don't come near me. Do I did he listened to you when you say that where did you keep coming near, you happened so quick. Where I ran to the kitchen, I picked up a knife and held it and said: don't like screen anyways the whole time don't come near me, don't come namby, Andy worryin ray. To me and saint Gimme, the life you employ asean, I might throw grab my hand and went

had borne. We want stuff, I think I got stabbed. I just stood there. I was in short, hey. We think we shot. After Stephanie Fernandez, took the stand and told her version of events. The prosecutors got their turn, teach I want as assistant d julianne carcass siena's zeal. put in on stepanida history with men, you claim that you were a loyal one. Is that right

yeah. Were you loyalty andy when you cheated on him with MIKE I didn't see it on him. Might was mike laramie now delay. when he set two thousand and thirteen You are both correct, cracked, a very realistic while all his cry, I put it My finger, yes, do you get? gauge all your guy friends. Now on Stephanie second day on the stand may perceive the prosecutor. Try to pick a part. Her account of the day Andy died in history. andy's. How many times did Andy choke you that I am a seventh two thousand and fourteen day? Yes,.

And in the morning, and at the night time of the event, and then how long did it choky for the morning I'm not sure I didn't count, I'm not sure it was quick no marks on your neck, another step he had described a struggle around the couch in the house that night, but the us Indeed says the crime scene. Pictures dont show any sign of that if he was in front of the couch and then at our house. Yes, yes, and it's not pushed out of the way correct. I can't tell with that couch and how close the couch and coffee table is, but it does not look crooked, corrupt so the site or anything like that. How was choking you on the couch one?

it all happened. So quick and car casinos tries to cast doubt on four indeed recollection of the night, so You do not have a memory of certain parts of that evening. Isn't that grass, I would say, that's correct like the time and suffering and finally carcass siena's question stevinus credibility, especially her claims that she had lived her life in fear of Andy Wagner. When you are made of anti wagner. When you told him he was stupid. Yes, were you in fear of Mr Werner, when you to him. I hope a car falls on you know it for you and for Mr Wagner, when you sent him a photograph of yourself of yourself before me, sex, Michael laramie, yes or no ma am no further questions.

both sides called in domestic violence. Experts who interviewed Stephanie good morning. Members of the jury, carol ball testified for the defense, saying that Andrew Wagner's escalating verbal threats and physical violence laughs if with post traumatic, stress disorder. I appeal is she takes. Experiences is one if battered woman system, also known as internet partner, violence, that sight of itself over and over and prosecutors called up. Their expert David Adams, who concluded that and not Stephanie was the victim of abuse. Well, I didn't see any

the evidence that she was fearful of him. I think this case raises some interesting questions about what it means to be a victim. Stephanie is not a sympathetic victim bright. She is a flawed person and yet she is still a victim and still has a right to act in self defense. It's much easier for us to understand someone as a victim of domestic violence where they have a perfect pass, where there's no other anger issue or anything else, but that's not what we have. The defence believes that this case will ultimately come down to other jurors, believe Stephanie intentionally, murdered andrew wagner medical examiner, who testified couldn't say for sure, couldn't rule out the fact that this was an accident and f, ten days of witnesses, the defence presented their closing arguments. She picked up life and said Andy stay away, stay away. He didn't this.

Time, for whatever reason it was too much and the prosecution hasn't proved that this wasn't in accident and they have not proved that it wasn't in self defence, but the prosecution hasn't proved is that stephanie for andy's is a murderer. Prosecutor tearing Mclaughlin disagreed. She disagreed shoe the aggressor she's. The wallet she's the one with the mouth ladies and gentlemen, I guess this is earth. Degree murderer. premeditated and plan she got on the side or she got up from the back from my. She grabbed a knife, and she started when It's not looking or he's not ready for it. With that argument, the case would go to the germs the. What do you think of stephanie's decision to take the stand? Chat now

The forty eight hours team on facebook and twitter, if convicted of first degree, murder, Stephanie Fernandez could face life in prison The question is: did you murder him now. It makes me nauseous. Just two: and think that, after about nine hours of deliberation, jurors right their verdict guilty of a lesser charge, voluntary and slaughter, which carries the possibility of up to twenty years in prison,

Shane Bernard and gala b, ex CIA sat on the jury. I think that both the both of them are equally controlling and abusive to each other yeah. I agree. I think they were both in this vicious cycle that just. They couldn't stop himself. He was a more physical abuse where she was more psychological abuse. I do believe she didn't want to kill him, but she did as for fernandez claims of self defence jerk gallop, yet shaw believes wagner, made contact with the when Stephanie says he attempted to head, bowed her head, but was a huge peace or us road. We went off the medical examiners report saying that the knife went in from the front the

who was in from the front in downward and that she actually had a stab motion so that innocent incense was what rule out self defence. before sentencing Andrew Wagner's, family finally got to speak directly to the woman. They I believe, murdered their son and brother. My name is chilean crystal dave, I'm the sister of Andrew eriksson? I have waited to speak to have a voice give my brother a voice and to get him the justice that he deserves. Two clear his name from the blatant lies that have been spewed from stuffing fernandez and her attorneys mouth for over eight years-

when you look at seventy fernandez you're looking out of face of evil of someone who gives no consideration for her actions who is incapable of law and has shown no remorse or guilt fresh killing. My brother Andrews mother militia Wagner she took away andrews, joy and love of life. She took away all I Andrews family and friends. She took away into his dreams of a family of his own He took away all of the Andrews money she took away his dignity and self respect and when there was nothing, nothing, nothing left for her to take. She took away, he Andrew's life. I bade your judge. Reardon, I beg you. I beg you. I beg you take away the one thing that matters most to her take away

her freedom for as long as possible. Please please please thank you. I realized it. No sentence I impose in this case can do perfect justice judge. James and remind everyone that Stephanie Fernandez was found guilty, not of murder, but a voluntary manslaughter, miss fernand as is being sentenced for that conviction, not for our relationship with their andrew Wagner or any other individuals or for her past life. I sent Stephanie fernandez to a term not more than ten years and not the less than eight years in state prison. After all this, according to What you have said Andrews struck, you choked you threatened with a pistol.

Do you still have some sort of emotion for this man, some sort of love for this man. I do. I know about this. A lot of people. I will always love him seventy says the night Andy died could have been avoided. Maybe the night wouldn't have happened if I got him help by god, s counsel and if I got him therapy. I can show you why did this happen because he was a You safe and my mom was his victim, but his family, times your mother for that they're gonna believe what one believe I can imagine. in their going through. I dont think they want to see their deceased son. That way so they're trying to blame my mom for all of the wrong he did towards her

Juliet is now studying to become a forensic psychologist and she hopes to work with victims in court and with children angelina says she looks forward to the day should be able to reunite with her mom when she's out of jail, she'll be able to see all my successes and so the to see everything that I've accomplished I will not accomplish of my dream, so my mom can experience the happiness afterwards I. The I the the

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