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60 Minutes 10/17

2021-10-17

On this week's "60 Minutes," Anderson Cooper talks to former defense secretary and CIA head Robert Gates, who touched on several other topics -- including the rise of China and the limits of America's military. Bill Whitaker reports on the Green River Drift, where ranchers push thousands of cows along the same 70-mile route their ancestors pioneered 125 years ago. And Jon Wertheim travels to Great Britain to report on the future of England's pubs -- after the coronavirus pandemic closed them to close their tabs for more than a year.

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Is great deals for everyone, as if the child didn't realize he was supposed to look after our dog walker guy. We almost forgot about that this doctor, based on the better reciprocate the rubber guedes. Under eight, u s president's ran the cia and oversaw the wars in iraq and afghanistan for president bush and obama, given them
his intentions with china and the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan. We thought it worth hearing what he thinks about how president Biden is doing it's time for american troops to come home and the biggest challenges facing the union. It states it's an american story: cattle, andrews in wyoming through every spring, push thousands of cows along the same. Seventy mile, ruth their ancestors pioneered one hundred twenty five years ago, The green river drift is the country's longest running cattle drive and, as we saw its phil,
with sensational sunrises, that fine, it's kind of hard dusty, do all worked on horseback in a changing britain. Misdoubt can reside at the bottom of a glass in the also english village of old, worth and bark sure you'll find just a cricket, green, a church, a few houses and a pub resistant to time. A billion has been in the family of Heaven macaulay. For two hundred years, we ve got some pub owners who said They felt as pressure to evolve in their trying core may food and de jays in the technology, like anyone have a murmur fan.
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If you bush and Barack Obama, given the end of the war in afghanistan, tensions with china and deep divisions in this country, we thought it'd be worth hearing from the only secretary of defense to serve under presidents from different parties gates is seventy eight and lives in washington state where he says he moved to get as far away from washington d c as possible. He told us watching the chaos of the american withdrawal from Afghanistan on television made him feel sick. It was really tough for a few days there. I wasn't feeling very well and I realized it was because of what was happening I, when I was just so low about the way it had ended. If you will and I guess the other. The other feeling that I had was it probably didn't. Need to have turned out that present. One said any withdrawal is messy, sir,
military considers to withdraw the most dangerous part of an operation but but they really had a lot of time to plan beginning where's the deal that president trump cut with the taliban, so that was in february of twenty twenty robert deeds oversaw the wars in iraq and afghanistan from two thousand and six to two thousand and eleven told us, president trump failed to plan properly for the evacuation of afghans who helped the? U s, fight the taliban and gates also believes. President Biden didn't act quickly enough. After announcing an april, he was pushing back president trumps deadline for the: u s: withdrawal by four months. It's time for american troops to come home. Once President Biden reaffirmed that there was going to be a firm deadlines date. That's the point at which I think, they should have begun. Bringing those people out. You have to
pretty naive, not to assume thing. We're gonna go downhill once that withdrawal was complete, so the Former president and president Biden both share some responsibility in absolute. As for the collapse of the F in government and security forces gates believe he and others before him made critical mistakes and have the? U s bill. And train the afghan military. I bear some responsibility for this. It had started before I got there, but I think that we could aid and afghan military in our own image and one that required a lot more sophisticated logistics and maintenance and support, then say the taliban with The ban didn't have years of training from foreign advisers they didn't know how to read. We were teaching afghan troops how to read before anything,
well, they needed to know how to read in order to operate, equipment. We were giving them instead of being light and tactical and basically self resourced. As the taliban were, we created a logistics, heavy, sophisticated equipment. Heavy military and when you pulled that rug out from under them- and you add on papa that the corruption of the senior military leaders and sought it's not a surprise to me that the afghan army class We will maintain the fight against terrorism, Afghanistan, president Biden has given assurances that the EU s can still target terrorists in Afghanistan river called over the rising capabilities, which means We can strike terrorists and targets without american boots on the ground. Very few need, but robert gates is sceptical
the military reverse to it over the over the rainbow, because it's a fantasy. But this notion that you can carry out effective counter terrorism Afghanistan from a great distance. It's not a fantasy, but it's just very very hard, as evidenced by the botched drew striking cobble in the final days of the withdrawal. U s military claim. They killed him isis terrorist and turned out to be an afghan aid worker in seven children. If you don't have that kind of sources on the ground to have the kind of Your time, intelligence that allows you to target people it's very complicated if they can't get that right, a few blocks from what airport. How are you gonna get something right? over the horizon. Exactly when he was secretary of defence gauge, would write personal condolence letters to the families of. All in service members. We wondered what
he would say to them now and to all who fought in Afghanistan. I would say that you accomplished your mission. There has not been a terrorist attack, successful form based terrorist attack on the united, It's a we went in to afghanistan in two thousand and one what happens now that were gone remains to be seen before becoming secretary of defence gate spent, nearly twenty seven years at the national security council and the cia, which he ran, underpin in george h, w bush gates and president Biden have crossed paths for decades. You wrote about in two thousand fourteen, you wrote Joe Biden integrity still, he's been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades. I think he's gonna latka, you're, drugging through the years, as vice president posed everyone of ronald Reagan, military programmes too
contest the soviet union. He opposed the first gulf war that It goes on now. I will say that in the in the obama, admin straighten. He and I obviously have significant differences over afghanistan, but he and I did agree our opposition to the intervention in libya and, frankly, on issues relating to russia and china. But do you think he made a mistake in afghanistan in the way we handle the withdrawal? Yes,. You think he believes he made a mistake. I've I've worked for the president's anderson I I've never encountered a single one of whoever per cent. Well, I really blew that. What really is that really? Just now? They just don't do it. You know deepen their heart, they may know it, but they never said. Do you think it would be better if they did I, yes, I think it would make them. More credible. What's have in Afghanistan has been devastate
For present by domestically can button recover, I think so. I think that the submarine deal between the eyes Aids, the united kingdom and Australia. I think, is a great strategic move. It sends a powerful message, around the world to china all around the world, including the china that the united they still has a lot of The arrows and clearer and that we will remain a force to be reckoned with in the western pacific that deal to help australia, deploy nuke your powered submarines comes. Is china is increasingly threatening taiwan? If China, was on taiwan. Is that a field that the? U s would fight on their two two strategies that we need to focus on. One is deterrence.
Strengthening our own military presence in the region, and the second piece of strategy is to strengthen Taiwan's ability to defend itself internationally It sees china as the pre eminent military and economic threat to the united states. I think this is a place where The trunk gonna write he basically waken, homeric, then I would say, especially the business community to china that the assumption about which we had gotten wrong and the assumption for forty years was that a richer? China would be a freer china and that's clearly not going to happen. But there is another piece of this post, with china, and that is the economic side. Chinese now manage something like three dozen major ports around the world? They are the biggest trading partner of more than half of south america day are everywhere and
What are we doing in these non military arenas to compete with the chinese rubber brigades? Is is considered himself a republican. But while the agree, with some president drums policies. He remains highly critical of the former president, You think the former president will run again present trump hope. Not what do you want? I'm a strong believer in institutions whether its the intelligence community than fence department, the state department, the justice department, the fbi, he disdains institutions, and and I think he did a lot to weaken institutions. You called him a thin skinned emperor shoot from the hip and lip uninformed commander in chief to greater risk for america, you said I would not added that at all. What do you think the grid, threat to democracy? Is in these countries the x dream polarization that were seeing the greatest stratus
within the two square miles and encompass the white house in the capital building when you why The end. Action on the capital. What do you think the attack on the capital was the first time of armed enemies of democracy had been the capital the war of eighteen twelve, I mean seeing somebody parading through the capital carrying a confederate flag That never happened during the civil war. What's worse, the event itself! or even now all these later to have them. Of congress. Trying to rewrite history. I don't understand, such a denial and they say people who were terrified on January six and whose lives were in danger to now basically say well. These are just your normal tourists
the whole of our society seems to becoming unhinged and just I've, never seen so much hatred and the continued product, vision of former present promise. Big lie about the election. How big of a national security threat is that for future elections it say to me that it underscores the theme China is sounding around the world that the united states political system doesn't work. And that the united states is a declining power. Rubber gates does and believe america's power is declining, but after serving under eight presidents in seeing up close what happened in afghan Stan and Iraq he's come to accept the limits of america's military. Might you said the enduring lessons of the cold war and the demise of the soviet union is that lasting change in a country will come only from within. I find out extraordinary statement from Some- ran military interventions in countries you're saying
then, in the end from the outside, you cannot change a country. I believe that- and I think I think that you know there are a handful of exceptions, germany, and japan after world war to it are examples. But we had a actually destroyed. Both countries total defeat, foreign paul. At the end of a rifle doesnt work you're, one of my favorite quotes from churchill. Democracy is not a harlot to be picked up in the street at the point of atomic gun and I totally believe that I'm not sure he could get away with saying that. I don't think anybody ever accused him of being politically correct. That's for sure, is there a gates doctrine I am very much a believer in the importance of military power. And in the united states having predominant military power. I also, I am firmly convinced that,
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The same seventy mile route, their ancestors pioneered one hundred twenty five years ago. This throw back to the old west is called the green river drift and is the longest running cattle dry left in america just after dawn one saturday. In late june, I trying to help wyoming rancher albert summers and his team move hundreds of cows, Most of the mothers with new cast in a cloud of dust toward high green pastures, they'll greece all summer, and if we feel inclined bill you can whistle can yale grazing move. This is life cowboys therapy yet the voice everything out come on Monday. I do that
stay care, girls, girls, but it's not it is good, is little shed swing. The son of albert's ranching partner time, just five years old tat. If you can do this, I can do this. Ok shared got to do it with a sour apple lollipop in his mouth. All of us, with the help of some fear hurting dogs, move cattle over hills across creeks through shimmering groves of asp alone, what tell boys call driveway and across highways north toward those distant mountains, ought to take you to get them to the summer feeding area. So it takes about three ten days from when we start to win. We get up there where we want. We travel up to about
sixty to seventy miles, Albert summers is one of eleven ranchers who worked together to drive more than seven thousand head of cattle on the green river drift whose eleven ranches all lie in wyoming's green river, valleys south of jackson hole here. The way yeomanry just to the west. The wind river range, is to the east, The valley between is heart, boon, dry, high death and verdant river drainage, where native americans once hunted buffalo today the green river runs. Through outward summers: ranch we ve been doing this alone. My family's been doing this, since nineteen o three,
albert neighbour, jean Lockwood family has been added even longer this a smile, granddad branch. He homestead at this and eighteen, eighty nine Her ranches about twenty miles south of albert summers. Please He joined her on horseback before dawn the day. She started moving her cattle north that fine, it's kind of pizza. Well along the same path, her family, his track for one hundred twenty five years? Are we doing this for the next two weeks? Yes, gettin up at four o clock in the morning or three to thirty two, those early start barely compared to what old timers endured when cowboys state doubt under the stars, all night and the sun all day until they got the heard too high pastures I think we can go home will use it today. They, go home after each days drive the next morning,
trailer their horses back to where they'd left the cattle round. Those that have strayed and move em out again before the old chuck wagon. It's been replaced by a cooler and tailgate of a pickup truck, but compared to adjourn laughter yeah, this is, we have only ranchers would call this ease. Driving cattle is hot dusty demand. And they'll be looking to make a fifty dollar profit per cow when they finally send them to market genius. Water, healy and son in law, France help wrangle. The her her husband, milford shuttles horse trailers. They all left. Regular jobs and move back to ranch several years ago after June brother, who had been running the please died in an accident. It takes all of us
who, at it seemed like the genie, was a librarian. So what is it about this place? That makes you give up regular normal american jobs and come back here to do this really hard work. Well. First of all, it was home to me and it was hard work for my parents, and I know it was hard work for my grandparents and I just couldn't see latin ago labour of love. It's called where's, the This is labour or love. Love. Love might sustain the green river drift, but it was born in crisis. The winter of eighteen, eighty, nine, ninety, Israel, We started the direct clint gilchrist, isn't historian, who grew up in this valley and his written about that harsh winter and killed off
the vast majority of the cattle herds that were here because they were prepared for a bad winner. Nobody had prepared for a bad winner. White settlers were not prepared native tribes, which U S, government drove off the land to make room for homesteaders knew that winters in again in river valley could be merciless relationship. Indians and the crow indians of the dominant tribes in these areas, and they didn't we here they wintered over on the other side of the mountains. Where was the west elevator? after that brutal ranchers, realized They had to move their cattle out of the valley, long enough to grow a crop of hay. So, while the cattle are up in the uplands, you are able to grow hay right and that feeds them all winter long right, and so that was the genesis of what we call
drift. The drift Albert sommers says because when the first fall, frost chills the mountains, the cows instinctively head for him just on their own turn around and start coming back turn around and start. We open gates drift back and they drift back. In the spring, we drive them in the fall they drift. When the drift began. One hundred twenty five years ago, there were no regulations, no subdivisions, just wide open rain today, Eleven ranches drive their cattle to lance controlled by the. U S, forest, the large grazing allotment in the country, one hundred twenty, ten thousand acres of the bridges, heat on national forest. They pay the federal government, one dollars thirty five cents a month for every cow and her calf right on how much
each rancher will all is tallied at a place called the counting its jamie burgesses job to read, branch or ear tags and call out which I belong to which wretch right, while his wife reader adds up the totals when the cows finally reach mountain pastures, their handed off to range writers ran like brittany, heseltine. His job is to watch over them all summer and you're, if you're by yourself. Yes, just be my horses, my three dogs and a cat. How long altogether it'll be about five
every day for those five month, brittany is out of doors to check on the six hundred or so cattle. In her case first thing in the morning you on a arise and especially in the fall, the Elk or bugle linked in just talking to each other. Ni earned her degree and veterinary science in twenty nineteen. This is her third summer as arrange rider. It's really hard work. What's the attraction was the draw something about? It speaks to my soul. I really can't discuss what, but all winter long, I'm like a couple months more couple months, more and then I'll be up at home, her home, The summer, is a small trailer in an isolated camp off the ground. No running water, no self service. At the start,
Is this summer four of the five drift range riders were women. You told us that you thought women made the best range riders. Why would that be? They are hard workers and- and I can't say that they're you know the men aren't good, but the women don't go to town and and as much as some of the men kind of have a tendency to visit the tavern yeah they'll go on the other side of the mountain, so it would have The cowboys, I don't know, maybe they're just not cut out for it. There's beauty appear and danger to since listed as endangered species warfare
Grizzly bear populations, have exploded in these mountains. Britney keeps track of the calves they kill. If it was actually killed by a predator, then there will be bruising on the hide on the inside and it's it's very obvious. You know like last year we lost twenty. Four cavs didn't come home. Now we lose between ten and fifteen percent. Of our kids sounds like a lot. It's a lot it. It would break us if it weren't for a compensation program by the wyoming game and fish department, so you'd get paid for every animal you lose weight creditors aren't the only threat to these ranchers, a growing chorus of critics? Argue cattle shouldn't graze on public lands at all. Assumption of beef is declining and so was the number of ranches on the drift There were more than twenty in the early nineties nineties today. Just Let the green river drift is so iconic that the cattle dry
has earned a spot on the national register of historic places. The remaining. Ranchers are determined to see that it's not just relegated to history books. Does it mean to you to be doing what your father and your grandfather did on same means alone. It means a lot albert summers has no children so to preserve this land and its tradition he set up. What's called a conservation easement preservation. This have paid him to agree that his ranch will never be developed or sub divided and to allow the public to use. Land for recreation, that again, It will also apply to his partner tie swain as he takes up and
to his son share when and if he picks up the reins. So with the conservation easement, this land will not change, it will stay the same. It will stay the same well, no ends is the same, but but this land will not be developed, I will go to my grave peacefully with that knowledge, but just not tomorrow. Many traditions have left their mark on this land native americans were forced to give way to fur traders pioneers, and homesteaders today, it's the cowboy way of life that is fighting to hold its tied every year? I mean we're down to the last time at the end of the year, or it sounds like you're, not in it, for the money. No sir, no we're not you know, and if somebody says you know, you're a rich rancher, only rich
The fact that we get to do what we do and we live where we live, and we get to see the sun
well over those mountains. That's the rich part of this job. It's not the money. We were nearing last call on the grandest of british institutions. The pub after enduring for hundreds of years as centers for schmoozing and boozing pubs were going the way of morning newspapers afternoon, tea and the whole idea of empire a range of factors which we'll get to later undercut the kind of neighborhood joint. Where everyone knows your name, then came cove it, which kept most british pubs closed for more than a year, but this past summer the uk reopened and not unlike an over served patron. The pub story started to stagger enlarge in an unexpected direction, and maybe it's not quite closing time. After all, twelve hundred plus years old, yes, a man walks into a pub. Of course he does. In this case, it's a very old pub.
Ye old, fighting cox in saint aubert, outside london, its landlord or public. It is cristo to folly, for your pub is one of dozens in this country that claims to be the oldest ever the bigger there. I like your case. It turns out there s a bit of a misconceptions which ones they always what now? What is puppies so without a pub are the first put was lighted, seven, ninety three and the eldest inhabited building. The vikings invaded england in the same year, the first brick was laid in seven hundred and eighty three. I suspect the vikings would like this place. They would love this place before we go further. Let's define our terms, we're not talking about your bars or for the love of god sports bars. These are pubs short for public houses. They exist as much for conviviality as for, what's on tap cold lager into the shock of first timers, warm ale,
they ve been silverstone to the culture here for censure. The writer slash comedian, l Murray, believes the value proposition goes well beyond beer. It's a community crisis, a community place the way that sitting in the front room watching tv just isn't what is it about this culture that has such appeal to you to sound sort of idealistic about it? Princes and paupers are equally welcome in here and given the such ass a class written society. There are very few places where you know down at the bar and your your as good as anyone else's reselling a pub romantic. I am come. Romantic about the other pubs, one there's something J you only beautiful about the audio somewhere anyone can go at any time and sit in the corner with with their own thoughts and a drink. And it's a it's a beautiful notion. You don't go to turner's old star for
quiet contemplation, one of the last of the so called losers in london's beast in its the heartbeat of the proudly working class community here a day of work, you are hard to come and absolutely work hard all day and learning economy like it's just like having a mental shower after holidays were sick and wind down. It's like real life cheers. I guess you know there. Might you feel welcomed me. Famine, poland, Bernie strew, have run the old star for seventeen year. They met the cross, the street down engaged here they live upstairs, parties there living room, the regular ass, their oldest friends when you say regular self. These are We are simply not everybody, everyone from not to nineteen Joyce S, that's a cholera paypal, I suppose ten, fifteen paypal, mean every guy, regardless winter summer. When they will come up at a couple of beers have a laugh,
the wagons eyesight, and now it's like everyone else. It was having to go each other. I hear you say with a real pride. This is proper pub. It is a small pub pub, that's what we call it that way. Now it's a pump pump. We call the pub pub centuries pubs have been as much salon salute as they taken a stool history and myth unfold in london soho. The french house was where bohemians we'd rub shoulders with resistance leaders after paris fell to the nazis in nineteen. Forty charles de gaulle in exile is said to have written
famous speech to the french free forces. Here, a little further east on the river thames legend has it that the seventeenth century judge jeffreys, would watch those he sentenced, hang as he launched and sipped ale at the prospect of whitby and then there's the cholera epidemic that grip london in eighteen, fifty, four killing, five hundred and fifty people. In two weeks, a local doktor john snow, figured out the problem contaminated water from a well was spreading the disease and simply removing the handle from the pump effectively ended. The epidemic John snow wasn't knighted, but he did receive what might be the next highest british honor
sending a pub after some one is an exception. Many pub names read like drunken mad lips, random, adjective plus random. Down often an animal, the ape and apple, the snooty fox, the drunken doc, the black dog. Repeat: brown britain's leaning writer on beer in pubs. These names offer a clue to every establishment story. What's going on here is become one of the key aspects of the british pope, but it starts off in a very practical way, which is the most of the population who went to pubs until recently were released, it, so you couldn't put a name sign of the atomic pictorial sign, so you could pick a picture bigger pictures thing that has some residence with people, but then some of the ones, you just mention nothing- is called the pub self sacrificing itself.
And it's not just pub names that veer towards the colourful and eccentric just behind london's law. Lockhart and dead. Behind the bar you'll find the owner chef and star performer of the seven stars pub the talented mrs roxas beaujolais. Your husband is american, yes, and how do you explain what you do to to his family? Well, when I was first introduced to them about thirty years ago, his mother asked me what I did and I said, I'm the republican. She said why and my husband dove in and said: no, no, no, no, no mama, not a republican, a public eye, a tavern keeper. So what is it about this job that clearly feed something I'm good at it. Darling you're. I have a passing interest in the products that I saw myself for the last twenty five years case could have-
de L murray has loved playing. The figure is behind the bar, his alter ego on stages ahead, shaved, uber opinionated blowhard. He calls the pub landlord where it says will pay these guys dead with people yeah. We never put man on them. Now. The mood was never going to be part of the british empire was much of the there's not going to give it back to us with it. So what? What is it about that archetype?
he's a no one who knows nothing. It's it's a guy who has power, but no authority, it's a guy who is writing intellectual checks. He can't possibly cash while mile wide inch deep, it's the whole swirl of what happens in a pub. The publican is the conduit, the confessor, the sort of high priest in a space like this. So all goes through him. It's all good fun, but, as his character suggests, pub culture is, if not eroding undergoing considerable change for generations. The number of british pubs has been declining from sixty five thousand to fewer than fifty thousand in the last twenty five years. The causes of death are many high beer duty, a smoking ban, cheap
supermarket lager people drinking less, perhaps the biggest culprits, venture capitalists and developers more interested in a pubs real estate than what's on tap and then in march, two thousand and twenty came the hammer blow covert nineteen. What was it like when this closed? For the first time soul, destroying I I mean in business terms. Lethal off still haven't got any words for it, John, at eight eight we have a passion to open the door, every single die. Does this wasn't just change the sign on the or the sounds almost existential terminal with a lot of us, even in the worst of times, the napoleonic wars, the spanish flu pubs,
not close the despite the bombings in the blitz churchill insisted that pubs remain open. How bad can things be if we can still pull a pint, but this is detrimental to show that the spirit of the pops is excellent. The houses they carry it outside. The lockdown gave britain a glimpse of a future without pumps, four months, the cobbled streets where dickens once walked silent, the taverns were chaucer or shakespeare might have drunk empty millions of barrels of beer literally down the drain. What does this country stand to lose if pubs, diminish pirates identity through selling? a town nationality in a very quiet way. In. Very modest way, and the pub is a perfect example of that with with proud of the pope, and if it was taken away from us, I think we'd lose something of what defines is as a nation, not flag waving,
jingoism, but but coming in here is sort of an entire patriotism. It's just coming and going yet eleven of the pine thinking coming out of lockdown the pipe wielding patriots believed more than ever that the pub is an institution worth saving saving the traditional pub dowager for britain may no longer exist, o the sewing Britain's that may no longer exist, but the one that's worth saving is the pub. Surely I mean you know we don't need a navy anymore doing we need pumps in a changing britain. Nostalgia can reside at the bottom of the glass in the also english village of old worth and bark sure you'll find just a cricket green, a church, a few houses.
A pub resistant to time. The berlin has been in the family of heather mc caully for two hundred years. She was born in the pub and now at eighty five runs it with her son. Here Well, how many generations, and in these two hundred years ago james and who and thomas and ronald then may five. I suppose we've talked to some pub owners. Who've said they they felt as pressure to evolve and they're, trying gourmet food and dj's and the technology here. No, we are plain simple, how we survive. That's how we're going to survive. I don't think, will ever be putting tvs in here. Somehow I don't even have a mobile phone hobbs like the bill. Winds and the old stars have done. They ve always done serve their communities, but where does the rest of the country fit in?
nigerian born clement Obadiah is proud owner of the prince of peckham southward. He has taken the magic of the pub and adapt it to multi cultural twenty first century britain. If the word pub twenty years ago, and what are you thinking, I'm thinking? I am not going to play that out for me, you walk into a conventional pub and what habits you can either within the western movie. Like one, looks at the door swinging he's a guy. I thought I thought about Jobs are the piano stopped play absolutely absolutely four years ago, and bought up a neighborhood joint destined to be turned into an apartment block or a mini market. Hobbs time massive pine represent in the committee's represented the under represented the marginalized
and giving them a space giving them somewhere where they can actually be. They can congregate. They can share ideas. When kids today hear the word pub. What what do you want them to think? I wanted to fitness as a space. For me, that's a space where I can be a suspect Where I can celebrate? Spacewalk hang out. I can love like a moon, that's where europe for when you open this yeah, I just I just love seen the mill import. That is london reflected in this forum. And here in might lie the key to the pub survival cater to involving an ever changing britain in beer and good cheer. Well flow in equal measure. Those pints, after all, aren't going to drink themselves
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