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possible for for the biggest drug epidemic. In the u s. Today, dealers are making huge profits, pushing their poison into suburbs and small towns across the country. I'm sitting here, looking at you and you look young and fresher there, the girl next door and you are addicted to heroin. I mean obviously very flattering, but you say, like I, don't look like a junkie, but even miss america could be a druggie. I mean anybody can be a junkie for almost every interview you've given over the last ten years, you've told them that it was the last one, the last one it always is. When I take the fact that you're still giving interviews you're aging better than you thought you would, I think that's perfectly true. Each book feels like my last book and then I think, like it

decayed alcoholic, but one more went to be any harm David coon wells, not a functioning alcoholic, but he's created a stable full of imperfect characters over the years is John locke a name. He does not answer to its an abstraction that exists in his writing. studio and on the cover of his books, like a spies name when a phoney passport. Looking after the cairo and keeping myself young, keeping the critical nature of life whizzing and my head, that's being the color I'm steve Croft, I'm leslie star, I'm bill whittaker, I'm anderson cooper, I'm scott pelee. Stories tonight on sixty minutes

space final frontier, the third Kirk spock any enterprise. There was discovery, one of the most iconic, an influential global franchises returns with star trek discovery. I said he s all access watch. The shows premier live one september, twenty fourth at eight thirty, seven, thirty central one city s and stream episode to immediately afterwards new at this also be available. Every sunday try, CBS all access for free now at sea, the us that calm, slash, star, trek, federal and local authorities nationwide now consider heroin to be the biggest drug epidemic in the country, not methamphetamines or cooking heroin dealers connected to mexican drug cartels king, huge profits, pushing their poison into suburbs and small towns across the country, its basic economics,

The dealers are going where the money is and their cultivating a broad set of consumers. High school students, college athlete, teachers and parents. nationals. Heroin is showing up everywhere in places like Columbus, ohio, The area has long been viewed as so typically middle american. That four years many companies have gone there to test their new products. A few years ago, when we started reporting the story, we went to the columbus suburbs to see how heroin is taking hold in the heartland. I'm sitting here, looking at you and you look young and fresh or the or the girl next door, and you were addicted to heroin. I mean, obviously it's very flattering, but you say, like I don't look like a Goodbye even miss america could be a druggie. I mean anybody can be a junkie. Hannah mars is in college now she says,

she's been clean for more than two years, but in high school she was using Harold. Hannah lives outside columbus in the upper middle class suburb of Worthington. Her parents are professional, The median income here is eighty seven thousand dollars a year before she got hooked on heroin had a thought. It was just another party drug. How did you get to those depths? What was the path you took started with weed and it was fine and I got so good. We went to oh my gosh and went to pills and it was still fun. You know percocet xanax like it in all that kind of stuff and then yeah heroin, it's smoking at at first to a fifteen yeah, and I was like oh my gosh. That was amazing. He remembered even know oh yeah. Let's say I've never done a drug in my life I would normally be happiness at a six or seven at a scale. Out of ten. You know, and then you take heroin and you're automatically at a twenty six and you're like.

I want that again. Hannah says the heroin was so addictive that rather quickly she, and several other students went from smoking at parties to shooting it up at a high school like doing at school in the bathroom, syringe a syringe. I would have it in my purse already ready. I wanna go: jenna morrison has been off heroin from more than four years. She comes the town that is smaller and more rural than Hannah's genesis. Her addiction started with legal opiates pain pills. You can get with a prescription chemically there, almost identical to heroin I got on pain, pills, pretty bad when I was probably between fifteen and sixteen. And the heroin came when I was eighteen. Was it an east? The transition from the pain pills to heroin mary. Because I didn't realize at the time the heroin isn't opiate. I didn't know that that was the same thing.

as the pills that I was using. Where were you use it all those drugs many small town. There is nothing to do and I was hanging out older people, so That was our way of having fun parting. This is the worst drought epidemic I've seen and in my lifetime might do. Wine is the attorney general of ohio, as a former: u S, senator congressmen and accounting prosecutor, we met him at a state crime lab outside Columbus, each and every single counting it's in our cities, but also our wealthier suburbs. It's not small towns. There is, well place in ohio, where you can hide from it. It's that pervasive. There is no place in ohio where you couldn't have delivered to you in fifteen twenty much. I can text and say: hey: do you have this? We can meet that they would bring it to my house. Leave it under the mat. It's pretty easy to get

full service. To me, it was easier to get then we'd or cocaine. Definitely easier. Dealers with connections to the mexican cartels sell heroin everywhere, even in this department store parking at outside columbus he'll, be coming out of that car right there. Our cameras captured the purchase of this heroin an undercover police informant. What is this so? This is of all types of heroin that we see general might to wine. Staffers say the mexican heroin can be cheap, ten dollars a hit or less some of it is cut with other drugs that make it even more powerful and dead and dealers keep inventing new ways to out with law enforcement. What we have here are actually tablets, so they are pressed to look like a actual prescription tablet, but they contain owing heroin pill for look like pills press. This is new very new. We have only seen a few cases in the lab and something else mike

wine says- is new. Since his days is a county prosecutor. Ruse, Harold has lost its stigma as a poisonous back alley. Drug there's no cycle go barrier any more. That starts a young person or an order person from taking heroin, so who is the typical heroin user in ohio. Today. Anybody watching today this show it could be your family there's no typical person. It just has permeated every segment of society in ohio, even the well to do town of pickering. Ten thirty minutes outside of Columbus tie Campbell was a star of the high school football team. He went on division, one at the university of accurate for tyler heroin. Wasn't a party drug, his parents, wayne and chris campbell, say his heroin habit grew from his addiction to opiate painkillers prescribed legally f.

the injured his shoulder. What were the pills I didn't like it, sixty vague it in for a shoulder surgery. That's a normal prescription for that procedure. It's easy for kids to sell their excess pills, their popular recreational drugs in high schools and colleges, so much in demand that one pill can cost up to eighty dollars. Pill attics, like tyler, often switch to heroin because it's a cheaper opiate with a bigger high tyler was in and out of reach four times the night. He came home the last time he couldn't fight the uncontrollable urge that is heroin addiction. he shot up in his bedroom and died. The heroin overdose he the only added on his college football team. Unfortunately, the quarterback died for months after tyler in two thousand same situation. However, it is first of all, if you don't talk about it right after tyler died, the candles met many things.

Least whose children were heroin. Addicts in the suburbs of Columbus, like tyler, most got hooked on pills, first started with pain pills naps from the t and heidi rigs daughter died of a heroine overdose, Marin was a high school basketball player and captain of golf team. Lee hide, and Brian Malone's daughter Alyssa died of an overdose in two thousand fifteen brenda stored two sons and recovery. Tracy Orson is jenna morrison's mother and has a second daughter, who also is a recovering added rob branch son, was an end, the battle that through high school He says his son Robbie got hooked on pain, pills prescribed by a dentist. After his wisdom, teeth were removed. He was in training with the national guard hoping to serve in afghanistan and when he came home, met up with an old friend that he used to buy and sell prescription medications with, and that old friend introduced him to heroin, and we did the

did we have, we did relapse, we did rehab any got clean, but the drug call this again in- and he said yes- and that was the last time- and he passed an accidental overdose for many of these parents. The hardest thing to accept was losing their children after they thought they finally beaten the addiction she passed away, they after Saint Patrick stay and she posted on Saint Patrick stay, a picture of her on your laptop, studying, doing homework, saying no partying for me. Not when a single drink staying in and I'm and I'm working and them the next day she used. Then the last time she used. I am a nurse I greasy more in general mother trained to be a nurse more than thirty years ago she says the medical profession must bear some responsibility for the heroin epidemic. She says doctors over proscribe pain, medications

graduated in the eighties. I was sing director when We decided to swing the pendulum from not training pain, to treat everybody's pain. I was part of that and at that time I had no idea that we were at people in two thousand. Fourteen three quarters of a billion pain pills were proscribed by doctors in ohio, nearly sixty five. I pills for every man, woman and child in the state how you respond when your daughter's told you they were using harrowing well They first tell me they're using the pills and, however, I they were using heroin was, I came home from work one I may dinner, and I was for my youngest daughter to come for dinner. in and I walked into her bedroom and her boyfriend was shooting her up. You saw this. I saw it. What did you do drop the plate of food? I dropped it and I was

terrible Tracy's daughter genome is twenty six now. She knows, she's looking to be alive in my addiction, I have been a rehab seventeen times and I've been to jail six or seven times so every time I went to jail. I've got out two rehab came home and relapsed. did it all over again. You overdosed as well how many times I only overdosed. What's, And I woke up in an ambulance general would have died for emergency medical technicians, hadn't injected her with no locks own hydrochloride also called. Nor can it quickly reverses the effects of opiates in the brain

so this is the kid the heroin problem, no highways, so big families and friends about it. Not just health professionals are being taught to administer, nor can which is now available without a prescription. This is what it looks like. This is the little purple cap actually is the medication. This is a hurricane. Though she's a nurse Tracy morrison says at first. He had no idea her daughters were at neither did the other parents, but they feel They missed all the signs and let their children down. You feel guilty every day and you lost the battle see you're always going to say. Is there something? I could have differently is, you know, did why didn't I? is that when I had missing spoons that it wasn't because they left cereal bowls ups, there's that was actually because you know chooses m to shoot heroin, but who would have thought arch would ever do heroin. All of these parents say they wanted to talk to us, because too many

Families are embarrassed in denial about their kids. Harrowing use. These parents I hate the stigma and shame are compounding the epidemic. No one was talking about that. We had heroin in Pickerington and so for us. We were total shock when it happened, and but the struggle was the stigma I never say not my child you're right because you never know it couldn't have been your child. He never want to get that call. He never wanted you to call the call. You got a call you got and we got the call today. Heroin overdoses take the lives of at least twenty seven people oh ohio. Every week we were told many other heroin deaths go unreported. I'm sure there are some who would be watching this and would say heroin ex ard junkies and they bring. The sun themselves

so why should we care because we don't throw diabetics whose on the couch eating bond bonds and smoke, and they weigh three hundred pounds in prison. We don't belittle them and there's not a big stigma. We don't do that to people, that change smoking develop. Lung cancer is a chronic relapsing brains These period amen end of story, and we need to accept that, even if it makes people uncomfortable and if people don't like that, I'm sorry supply a new path. Gas network featuring radio and tv personalities talking business, sports, tack, entertainment and more at at play dot in the name, David Cornwell is probably unfamiliar to most of you, but he's an interesting person to talk to in these days of alleged political, conspiracies espionage and a rekindling of the cold war? He said

spurred on secrets of former spy himself, and the author of two dozen books were willie. All of them best sellers written under the pen name of John, would carry a man Member of the spy who came in from the cold, the little robber girl tinker taylor soldiers by the constant gardener and the night manager, all of which have been made into films. He is not just the popular writer of thrillers. He is a novelist of some standing, often compared to graham green jobs. Conrad and somerset mom corn has been living. This double life for more than fifty years now in really gives television interviews, but upon the publication of his twenty. Fourth well a legacy of spies. We were invited to speak A few days with this literate rely in winter,

defined as natural habitat. You must journey six hours from london farmland and down one lane, country roads lined with hedgerow and black of england so remote? No, his lands in here this alone, a cliff in cornwall. You will find you le carries safe house so this is where you escaped yeah. It was thus far from london, as I could. At reasonably the I guess. The other thing to say about this place, which is very important to me, is that the cornish don't give a damn for celebrity. If they even know what I'd do they haven't, read it or if they have read it, they make a point of not being impressed by it under that that is enormously soothing. Yes, not a head turns,

wait when I walk by it. It's here in the home he fashioned out of three derelict cottages more than forty years ago that he weaves together the threads of memory experience in research into his tales of entry. The solitude is stimulation, You said many times that you don't like giving interviews ya. Think that's true! Then I defect from that position. It is very clear that almost every interview you given over the last ten years. You ve told them that this is a modest one last one always is when I take the fact that you're still giving interviews that you're aging better than you thought you would have that's perfectly true. Each book feels like my last book and then I think dedicated alcoholic that one more went to be any harm David was not a functioning alcoholic. What is created

stable full of imperfect characters over the years. This john would carry amy does not answer to its an abstraction that exist in it. I studio and on the cover of his books, like spies name when a phoney passport, John Locke carry a sort of a cover, It's a separate identity in a way, and you can look after it and looking after the cairo and keeping myself young, keeping the child in me alive. Keeping the critical nature of life whizzing in my head, that's being le color. Is there any space between David and John? Yes, I think a lot really David tries to be a good dad and irregular guy with difficult it many flaws and and john takes off into the ether. It's the men of imagination, and I can take john for a walk. Let him loose on the cliffs

he has a good time. Muddy populate the empty cliffs, with a pin but his imagination and then that can help with the washing up. Liqueur was crew. created by corn well in nineteen sixty one out of necessity, not choice. It happened during his first career as a spy for british intelligence, both at home and abroad, to satisfy a creative urge. He began writing fiction on his commute, the work and during lunchtime, why did she ain't abandoning ah well a hard practical reason. I was still in secret, harness, as you might say, as I wrote my first three books from inside the intelligence world the books had to be approved by man, masters and were but a condition was I had to choose a pen name, so I went to my publisher. That is publisher. Preferred short in

Abby? He said well wanted something interesting mysterious in french told many lies about how it came about, because I truly don't clearly remember, but I think, Wanted wanted architecturally a name in three in three parts and I thought the acute acts and at the end these were eye catching things. So, instead of trying to look like everybody else had dried look a bit different as a name- and Somebody who is cut a as a gentleman is not quite a gentleman suits me fly, that attitude. Doesn't just shoot corn? Well, it actually defines it. He has the wealth, the educate, in the bearing of a polish patrician, but he'll never be part of the english upper class which he abhors, plus he has the pedigree of a rope

I mean you must realise that I'm an upstart I do come original. If more working class family, I went kind of from working class. The middle class took the kremlin. Class to trust fund it. My father's condition I had to invent myself as a gentleman, a pseudo gentleman, so it's a good american story of self invention. He was five years old when his mother, olive deserted the family, leaving him and his older brother, tony under the chaotic charge of their father, ronnie colorful charismatic con man in crook, if there remains one great conundrum. In my life, it is my father who seems to me to inspire also some of the worst or best characters. It me he had a one brain everybody who worked for him was in law of his intellect, but if there was a bent were doing something here

get a rich vain, a material for you to my wonderful, wonderful, rich friend of material and very painful running, and with a fast crowd, celebrities sportsmen in mobsters. They were resources, it ass god and trips- to san marino,

They lived either as millionaires or paupers one week, a chauffeured bentley, the next on the run from bill collectors or worse, he'd done quite loud jail and he spent some years of his life on the run in in late middle age. So that was a mess just a bloody mess, but that the surviving it was. It was also a privilege to be part of it in some strange way. They taught you a lot about life, lower your expectations raised them in other ways. What did you learn? I learned, I think, to understand the widening the width of the spectrum of human behavior, and I guess I learned the the perils of charm when she exercised ruthlessly with huge

says, and I learned about the insecurity for world that everything is transient, even our money, our future, our lives, our children, everything he was always an excellent student and by the time he graduated from. Bird with a degree in modern languages. Already learned from his father, some of the prerequisites of a career in espionage, lying manipulation and deception. When he was approached by a recruiter for the british service, it seemed like a seamless transition when it comes to recruiting people for the secret world. What the recruiters are looking for is pretty much what I had. I was all anchored looking for an institution to look off to me. I had a bit of larceny, I understood larceny, I understood the natural criminality in people because it was. It was all around me and I have no doubt that was chunk of it inside me too.

Once I've found that identity it took root in me, it exactly it jailed. with the world the died known in the past. begin in one running agents, keeping tabs on subversives and spies in learning the trade ground, he moved to the foreign, Am I six at the height of the cold war, posing as a young diplomat at the british embassy and where Germany, just as the berlin wall was going. What were you doing? We were working for my sex in germany, I never talk about cap. I would never be comfortable talking about it and- and I think you'll find that with most people have been in that world, it is simply anathema whatever David cool whales duties were John would carry found time to write a novel about a washed up spy named alec limits with sent on a dangerous mission.

brush the wall in betrayed by his bosses? My memory is that I wrote it very fast. The story that, had no idea where I was going at first and just flowed, and I think you get a break type that once in your writing life. I really believe nothing else came to me so really so fast. You had to show it to. I then showed it to my department and there was a bit of a loud silence and then actually it was kind of sporting decency. Almost my my service said: okay go ahead and publish it, but I think they had no idea any more than I did that it would become a sensation. The spy who came in from the cold was the publishing event. Nineteen sixty three, the book spent thirty four weeks, is number one on the best seller list and was made into a clean motion, picture, storing richard Burton and clear,

A man coming over both the novel and the film served his grey greedy antidote to the fantastical world. james bond, a bluff. His way through the papers of the babies are any good in were accepted by critics, and the public is an authentic portrayal of the scruffy business of espionage. As all philosophers measuring everything do, against the word of god or Karl Marx, and not just a bunch of it squalid bastards. Like me, little man drunkards queers impact. Husbands servants playing cowboys and indians to brighten their rutten little lives. Like monks in a cell balancing right against wrong the book would make only carry a famous in much in demand author, but four months only british and

The agents knew who in where he was, and it did not want to blow corn wells cover in germany, people that now with you know they didn't until the sunday times blew the whistle on then the whole investigation of my person was. You might say Map was, I spoke, was I not at school, and I out of loyalty to my service and out at some sense of privacy, went on insisting that I'd had no intelligence experience until it became absurd. And it became a large number of my colleagues and my superior officers. What either boasting or complaining Nobody would lessen the died written a book sir generally wary of unscriptural publicity, so he The agency eventually agreed depart ways allowing him in the carriage to concentrate full time on fiction

not unlike his father running. You have mused on at least one occasion about whether there's much of a difference between. what you do for a living in what he did well, I think that's kind of me. What are you talking about specifically? Well, I was saying that I live off my wits as he did. I look around. I collect bits of people assembled I pitcher story, I sell it, he is a con. Man does much the same. I do it on the page and he does it with human material. But what that doesn't take account of is what instead, the human material. You said- and I don't know what the context was, but I've seen this code a number of times. We said I'm a liar borned align bread to it

train to it by the industry. The lies for a living. All that's true. Actually, it's a dreadful confession, but these days I tell the truth. Welcome to play at the new package network featuring radio and tv personalities, talking, business, sports, tack, entertainment and more planned play died in, for the most part, the novels of David corn, well written under the name. John look here they are about spies and espionage. That's the subject matter anyway and the sitting, but there are also about human nature and behaviour about honour ambition, careers and conflicting loyalties that could apply to any profession its away.

writing large about the small world of secret intelligence services. That cornwall was a part of it, not a bad way. He says to take measure of a nation's political health. You feel that you ve got a hand somehow on the sub. Conscious of the nation, you feel you know what the greatest anxieties latest ambitions are in curious world. The headquarters of the british intelligence services existed some years ago in an amount Generic building off the theatre district in central london it couldn't be in better hands is portrayed in his books in the movies about them. This den of spies was a bureaucracy populated by eccentric characters. working in a long, neglected, victorian pile of bricks called the circus

I found someone always thing. Isn't it we keep asking? It was not exactly an accurate description of the real thing, Cornwell says, but it was credible. It is just it was an abstraction from reality. Was it known? the surface, the people there were. No, it wasn't that comes from your imagination lifted. The building body soul, as you might say, replanted it in cambridge circuits different part of london, and it was known by the shorthand as the circus and what better name for a community of performing performing spies than the circus. There were scalp hunters, lamp, lighters, honey traps and moles. All of this came from your imagination. Yes, I'm in something was. ox. The imagination and mine was sparked and took off, and I thought this is. This is a kind of half dream world

which I can inform from experience, and it fits people who work there recognize it. It isn't as if they recognize this operation of our operation. What they recognize is the smell and the authenticity of I hope, of the life that we lead. Secret service headquarters is down. On the right hand, side in london, cornwell took us on a cab ride to see the actual building where he worked and that used to house m I six headquarters that it was dusty and smelly and smelled of nescafe and fags people smoked. Everybody seemed to smoke a lot of alcohol. A lot of alcohol is now an office building not far from buckingham palace, thereby security service, though, The currently at all I mean none, none was visible, walked in and out once you were familiar face and it was good morning must call more good morning. This hollow bell, hollows and

You came back from abroad. That was always welcome back so that nobody search the it is going in and out never knew of anyone being stopped and searched. There would be a price paid for the commission. since when am I sixes most notorious double agent, the cambridge educated spy kim Philby won't stout the door with some of Britain's most valuable secrets and did them over to the soviet union. The incident was an inspiration for cornwallis, most memorable success, taker taylor soldiers by the book in this bbc adaptation or about the search for russian more at the highest level of the circus. The maggots are eating up to six conducted by le carries Fourthly, spy master in favorite character, george smiley, it's a very close bond

George smiley is my secret shadow, my companion, and I think that, because I'm given to exaggerated emotions at times smiling moderates me as a writer. The character played by alan gillis in this BBC version is about as close as la carry gets to a hero at best middle aged hapless cock. He is measured, sensible, clever and devoted do his job when he liked best about smiling. I think how he tough sit out, survivor, Martin, that he does a good job

idea and much of it is distasteful to him, but he has a sense of duty and his sense of moral obligation and a sense of balance. George you one he's made a lot of compromises with life and its action This is because I did his greatest operational weapon is his humanity it's been nearly thirty years since smiling, and his old circus performers have appeared in the le carry novel, but some of them are back for the new one. A legacy of sir eyes and unceremoniously called due account at the gleaming who am I six headquarters for the sins failures in betrayals committed decades earlier? in the spy who came in from the cold stuck.

Something you ve been wanting to do for a while when it is in the first place. The characters never left me in some curious way, particularly smiley. They became. Even if I wasn't writing about them, they became quite conscious companions at times in my, in my imagination, and what I wanted to do at this stage. This point of closure in the smiling saga. Now fifty sixty years on was have the present interrogate past about We did then in the cold war, in the name of freedom, and was it worth it and it was it. This move would very much that I concluded the book and the search for george, smiling for me with some kind of search for truth in the this biochemical from it old. Would he loves best about? Writing? Is the privacy of everyday, sometimes

your seven. I am climbs the steps to his studio and begins pudding pen, the paper- and this is my work from if there are family crises and things like that, I added a mud until midday. This is from legacy. This is painted well on the central figure whose narrating I've two visions simultaneously. The first of georgians, george smiley and Alec. That's Alec leave us huddled head to head in the chilly conservatory in bywater street re use of an adjective by me. Most of the material comes from notebooks he's failed on long walks or epic research trips he's taken to capture the feel. in smell of faraway places, he puts his characters. This is all the very raw material. These notes were jotted down in kenya, while he was writing the constant gardener. These are things I saw.

That means a pang of somewhere. The man lies in the recovery, pose bathed in blood from the head down dead or going there and nairobi. Murder is one of the few industries that Up to expectations, there are no computers involved in this process, be edits with scissors in the states that ip, unless they expect in hands the good bits off to his personal typist and copy editor Jane Cornwall. His wife of forty five years. She is also achieve. Operating officer of his life in various enterprises like all right as I've lived Messy untidy life inevitably so and she's been wonderfully supportive and it's always go to jail. If you need to get to David cause, she's got her feet on the ground. God knows what he's got his feet, well, it's been, writing. Is John locke. Carry for so long. No one could tell us how many millions of books he saw over the last

five and a half decades. They ve been printed in forty three different languages. How do you think of yourself ass, a writer while storyteller, so we're sitting in front of a fire? I wanna keep you in your chair. I wonder interest you. I want you to want to turn the page, but I don't really think too much about the prosperity and I certainly don't join the literary argument about where I stand by my equality novelist. Am I a popular novelist, emma thriller writer to me? If I had gone to see, I have written about to see if I got into stockbroking out of written about this, broke. Well, you ve turned down literary honours. And down a knighthood? Yes, why? In my own country, I'm so suspicious of the literary world that I dont want to attack

aids and least of all. Do I want to be called commander the british empire in the earth and in the other thing of the british empire, funded emetic, and why do you feel that were I dont want to post. somebody has been honoured by the state and was therefore somehow conform with the state and I dont want. where the armor you're writing partner, george smiley had this to say on the subject: the privately educate The englishman is the greatest december on earth. No one charm. You so glibly disguises wings from you better cover is tracks more skilfully or find it harder to confess that he's been a damn fool. No one acts braver when he's frightened, stiff or happier when he's miserable, and nobody can flattery you better when he hates you that an extrovert englishmen or one europe only it's very good.

you like that graph. I like that. Yes, I do you consider yourself an englishman, what kind of englishmen at the moment. Yes, of course, I'm born and bred english, I'm I wish to call my england would be the one that recognise its place in the european union. The jingoistic england that he's trying to march is out of the eu, that is in england. Don't want to know why most europeans cornwall, has no use for present donald trump and his nationalistic agenda, which he calls alarming in contagious any worries about the ambitions of russian president, Vladimir putin. I think today's spooks working on the russian front british spooks would tell you that it's just as bad as it was in the cold war. Protein sees everything in terms of conspiracy and his grip on the russian populace is so strong that he has

what it to all the old systems that he was familiar with, so it right back to where we were in the cold war, with the added mission that protein is given to himself to erode decent democracy wherever. Sees it. So much has changed in in the world spinners since new first began. When you have the introduction, of cyber war, you have computer hacking, you have all of the stuff, you know, you wonder, is it possible to keep any secrets? Are all and we need spies sidney. Human spy I think, probably in many ways more than ever. In some ways the techniques of intelligence and techniques of maintaining secrets have gone backwards If you and I are going to enter into a conspiracy now, we don't do it through the east. We don't do it by computer. We exchanged notes

the other hand. Each other notes. We keep paper again papers back in. Secondly, you very very often need an agent on the spot. Who is going to deliver the piece of paper? The code number simple clue to it all mostly right now, David corn, well and John- would carry are recovering from celebrating and lamenting publication of this last novel strange. As that may see he said most depressing time in your life is when you finished, but yes, yes, which is you're, going to you right now, which is exactly what I'm going through now, Thank you for lightning my load, the eyes fairly of your depleted everything you you ve been working on its done. It's out. There

and then out of the ashes of the last book, so to speak, comes the phoenix of the new one of their lives, okay again, but the the depression that overtakes me when I turned in a book

I must confess, is real and deep. Do you have an idea for the ex book? Absolutely I can't wait to get to it. I'm steve craft do be back next week with the fiftieth season. Premier of sixteen it.

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