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Far as you are thinking, they are exactly the same in health. Longevity ability to play the game, Oliver similar similar the good. Think about it. There are machines, all of them machines that pillow talk for horses that never quit, but how did they perform. in competition tonight, we'll find out. I'm steve Croft, I'm Lesley Stahl, I'm scott pelley, I'm anderson cooper. I am Jon la Pook, I'm bill whitaker. I am damper mac business editor at yes right now. You can download subscribe and you're pro rata, the first podcast from axios. We talk about the collision of politics, business and technology, things like election hacking or the battle over three d printed.

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covered that several of the champion. Horses on the field were clones, it's a big day and when his eyes, the final in this year's world cup. Slash superbowl, APOLLO carbon argentine, with the usual pageantry, the tango included in polo the horses called. Please are just as important as the riders, the two teams model fino in white and our stena in black hd has four. players who ride as many as a dozen of courses during the matches. All the players today have reached the highest ranking in the sport, a ten goal handicap The player generating the most interest is the man. the blue and white helmet, Adolfo candy

so please let his team to victory for the last five years. At forty two is the Tom Brady. I love this board did. I do love all overlap horses, so I tried to be debated, You are number one in the world in your sport. Let's stunning isn't it is strange. They say it to you, you don't feel like it. But how long have you had this title four years or any two years you

Invest in the world for twenty two years: that's what they say at age. Twenty five adolfo decided to create his own polo team called la de fina and a breeding business from scratch. Today he has nearly a thousand horses that are fed a special diet of plants and grasses grown on his massive farms, be the hero, a little pain somewhere. I need a swimming pool for them. Just assume I swimming pool for the horses where they do relapse and stretch out their sore muscles, and I like it and love it. They do that. I love the jump on the mace,

his most prized horse for a long time was named aching corps, but at the argentine open twelve years ago, aiken course led was broken and a was devastated more than anything, as I said before, he was your favorite yes, but the horse could not be saved. before they put him down Adolfo made a faithful decision. He asked his veterinarian to save some of the horses skin cells. He thought that one day he could bring Aiken cora back to life through cloning. I was really sad. I say cloning should

work that come into your head. I dunno I decided to keep some cells from him just in case years later. The cloning is normal. He remembered dolly the sheep, the first cloned mammal. Since then, scientists have cloned cows, pigs, goats and in two thousand and three, the first whore Biologist adrian Muto, one of the first scientists to clone in argentina, showed us the process he starts with an egg extracted minutes earlier from a mere you can see here. This is an egg, and without needle we eliminate all dna of each egg. Next, he replaces it with the dna of the horse they want to clone. The next step is introduced again into the into the egg, the neagle. How this is the dna in today? He did it

This is our so, and this is the thing and that's it: that's it the new embryos. I then incubator it for one week no sperm has been involved with. the sperm there's no more nail use no mo here. Only me, that's incredible that there it so it's not of male female reproduction, you suggest taking a cell from whichever it could be a mayor or could be a male resource use? And you. then it in into their no sex with no borders horses, the incubator egg is implanted in sorrow, surrogate mare who gives birth to the club like this one, that's three we cloning represented a business opportunity to this man, texas, oil, air and polo enthusiast, Alan meeker. He had long dreamt of building a fleet of champion horses and now

I had a way to do it and do some short math and I realized it would take fifty years and about one hundred million dollars to do what I wanted to do, and I thought well, why don't? I just call them a bunch of horses, really really good horses in two thousand and nine meeker found the horse, cloning business and a year later, licence the technology that was used to clone dolly the sheep. Ok now need to find the best forces, so Together, an idea of licensing the genetics from the very best breeders in polo a new some people that new Adolfo was he considered one of the best breeders, not just the best part. there's, but also one of the best breeders breed and owners of horses that his horses were perform. Better than any one else? When our first approach you about cloning, I say yes, the further immediately yes and guess what is set out and guess what I have. I want to tell him that I have,

Cells from a horse that are really love that I will love to clone it took a while to get it right. One attempt failed, but after two years adolfo got his wish the birth of a clone of his beloved, a concur, who grew into this magnificent healthy horse. Almost exactly like the original in strength athletic, ability and temperament. When I saw him, I couldn't believe it did. You know by just looking and of course it was a little fall at that. Yes, it was, but did you you can make sure. I took some her from him, and bring him back toward him dinner to do the dean and damage it would take. He was him at the same time he decided to clone another horse, his biggest star Amir, called a quarter

now seventeen years old, the original has been playing polo since she was four a year younger than most people know ponies simply because she took to the game so quickly. I think she's born to play. You know there is those horses in life or like soccer players like messi, is no many You know I dunno, but when I'm saying this horse is amazing, he took us to the barn where I want to share our lives with eight of her clothes. You see those two little points yeah from this little point where you make all this courses, This is where they took the salaries and make the annoying because of her. You get all these things, and that was what you were thinking it my dream, but everybody you are best. It was great and I like it right now, because I'm having a good time here in those days. This is not so crazy. On migration,

Look what he's dying! In seven years, he and his partners have created more than a dozen clones of war to terror incredible for me. I never lose my wow. This is my production early. This is my acquaintance daughter, doktor looter, who was hired as the lead scientist in Davos. Cloning business took us to see the quantitative clothes he thinks of his his children. This is what the tiller number five. Mrs number, four number three number nine number six gives us how one reading, as I know her by them, but they are all klaus. right now we have fourteen just from quite a guarantee.

And next year, then more and two thousand and eighteen ten more than they have produced more than one hundred clues from several of their best horses. In each case he said the clones are strikingly similar to the originals in disposition, athletic ability and appearance, but not exactly. For example, the quarter tedder clones all have white markings, but with different shapes and in different places, summon the face some on the ankle, but all the quarter chatters seem to have inherited the originals com self contained personality said. The genetics include this temperament, yes, the class get along with each other? We are because they live together earlier alone. So from here they go to live better than they move in blocks. If you take one of them, they're looking for it, they missed you take out

Did the clowns have any special health issues. We talked to scientists at the national institute of health, we were told there was no evidence that cloned animals suffered disproportionate health problems, though they have a slightly higher infant mortality rate at first many of the davos cloned embryos die during gestation, but they refined their technique and now tell us they have an eighty five per cent successful. birth rate and have not experienced any health problems. So, as far as you are thinking, they are exactly the same in health. Longevity ability to play the game all of its similar, similar, not exactly the same. What are the differences? The reason that a little bigger it more, some it less or they move a little bit different, but the minor really similar the good thing about it. There are machine

all other machines. That's polo talk for forces that never quit, but how would they perform in competition at the final at the argentine open the door for gambled that his quantity,

the clones would be as good as the original. For the first time he wrote them almost exclusively the part of the story when we come back. The regulators of thoroughbred horse racing worldwide have taken a firm stand against cloning, but there's no such prohibition in polo, and so cloning is spreading to teams beyond Adolfo can be asos. It raises some thorny questions. Does cloning give a team an unfair advantage? Is it ethical and where will it lead in December? At the final match of the argentine open in buenos aires? One team road clones

while the other refuse to the competition was as much about the merits of cloning, as it was a sporting event of more than eight hundred and fifty professional poor players, argentine native adolfo upon also Wearing the blue and white helmet and the jersey mark number one is the best player in the world, he's hell that ranking for twenty two years and is now. leading a cloning revolution. He's cloning, his best horses, the one he's writing is a clone he's competing on them and winning when you're on one of the clouds playing. Is there a special failing knowing that this is something that was your idea. You brought it to live on this stage or my career the last couple of years for me to play and prove that the cologne works play with for the debtors and everything is the next summit

duration for myself, but I dont know that you need extra motivation. I do I do he's created. Fourteen clothes were to tear down its very best horse ten year old man who was fast easy to direct and can turn on a dime. She was honoured last year as the best polo horse in history were her. Clown seem to be just as gifted Are they all is good? I want to call her mamma dont, think that during the original They all as good already won. Two thousand then opens with grown, so they will end up being ass, good ass, her I think, part of terrorism, Those are our della fight by numbers. Should they have names, they have names, while they don't care that there were the data, oh

one two three: was it your idea? Yes, because I believe that she's got the data all of the ones that I write that record the data, so you actually think it's called a did when I play when you re so six is quite a terrorist or when you're a nine, it's the same thing they did, but she's an individual is but the d and the man is a good thing about. When you have identical twins thing, each get a name, but there's no twins chrome. They can now create a hundred close a year and they are using them in Davos. Already successful breeding business, they made the with champion horses and sell their falls for up to two hundred fifty thousand dollars, but they never solve the clowns you so well the clone. You sell the blood you sell the line. You sell the dna, you sell everything if you sell the clone and we keep the the key.

vision, ethics, and this was the them I think, they're the good business to make. The decision in the bus, the idea of never selling the clothes came from or nesta Gutierrez, a shrewd argentine business man who became a third partner cloning venture. The cloning operation was set up here on his five hundred acre property outside buenos aires. That includes three polo feels and a nursery where the clothes are born. They are carried by surrogate mayors who treat them like their own. Are these all cloned babies obey monsieur, and these are the surrogate mothers and does that? Does the mother think it's totally her baby told them of any new good Gutierrez took us back to see the newest one that three week old clone of quantitative who has her old nurse,

and frisky. Oh look at that, my not everyone in polar things. Cloning is a good idea, including adolfo comedy, I suppose mean rival an opponent at the final. Argentine open. That's a lot of guys cloning, but I think that they have to be carefully and all because the thing is that their opening to marshal The answer is box, then open the lid and all projects come for. Cleaner appears, a tool in the world right behind a daughter. He showed us what he can do like dribble rynch ball in the air while galloping down the field twenty. It he's the captain of our stina, an old school team made up of three brothers and a cousin their committed to keeping it

Family enterprise ever get angry at each other, and yes, he, but in a good way, Never never never, but his team is headquarters at another. Sprawling esteem. where they operate? A multi million dollar breeding business selling, falls and embryos. They believe they can produce better horses through their breeding practices by mixing the dna of two different horses rather than by replicating just why we want to keep it that way. But what we have here is a nation in Paulo, what's more important the horse or the

player. I was told that it's eighty percent, the horse fence. No, I agree. I agree. I totally agree. I think that the horses- but of course you need to have a little bit of of talent and ability and an experience in the head- and you know the condos team dollar stina has made it to the finals the last four years, but lost each time to a doleful, Crombie assholes team fuelling the rivalry on the field is a bitter history between them. Adolfo played on the ehler. Stena, keen for nine years. Because of what happened that I left a lasting and robbery intent to this minute. Do you

but there is one I have really to be by the player to there's more before he left ehler stena Adolfo bought quarter terror as an embryo from the pierre is family very horse. He is now calling to compete against. I was lucky to end up with all the data you climb from the best horse in the world, but she born in my farm. I create her. There are people who objected to cloning on religious grounds or on moral grounds. So what is the answer? One people challenge you when they save man should not be doing this because of these differ Spiritual Quanto. I don't wrong to be honest, this doing something for to improve my name my support and I think the court that there is indeed improve my game. My sport

I'm not going further than the vizir an unfair advantage in terms of the game terms of the sport. No, because everybody is able to come now everybody's kind of trying to start cloning, so the advantage is that I needed seventy years ago. So in thirty years people will still be riding quota. Tat is so it could go on. Here is our meeker, the texas business man whose at Davos, cloning partner is well aware of the controversy around cloning technology. In the? U s and the ban against it in thoroughbred horse racing is a really good polo player. Does he have at an unfair advice?

edge of his on a clone of one of the best polo horses ever, of course, horses or eighty percent of a game anyway. So if a cornucopia arrows finds a horse that is better than quantity rather than he has an advantage over his competitor, but he'll have only one and that horse will get tired and they'll have to switch to another horse in the game, whereas adolfo will have eight right. So it still an advantage right. That fair under the rules is fair, there's no restriction on sportsmanship, but just the nature of the game has this changed the very essence of the game polo? No, I think what it's done is probably raise the bar you're going to have to con could be us. Do you have any moral problems with cloning, a human being? Yes, I disagree with. It

I know a good reason: lots of good reasons to clone body parts like hearts and lungs and pancreas is if it can be done in a productive manner that can save lives. But I've been asked by some of the wealthiest people on planet earth to call him a human being. I have absolutely. The answer is always of a resounding, for they must have a reason and they won't give it to me. They dont tell you why I think If science can do it, science will do it and maybe one day in, although because and will laugh at all the people who are questioning the morality of it now, someday somewhere else, and we will either laugh or cry, but I'm not- to be the one to take that that leap it could be done today. Yes, I assume that be a big difference between a horse and human.

Lots of differences- surprisingly little surprisingly level, But the final match at the argentine open, the davos team and the clothes were expected to win, but seven minutes in four condos team was ahead. Three, as to why the davos teen start back at half time. This war was the plunder said the breeders, since it was so tense that at times it was as quiet as a tennis match. The end of the game was thrilling, as expected. At Davos, team was ahead, thirteen to ten, but then for condos tee in a final blast. Came back to tie the match. I never think about. I never will saw you right before the overtime near in here. You are

that in a moment I was trying to think which is the best horse for a moment he debated be quantitative, nine or five. Finally, he picked number. Six in the first minute of the sudden death overturn the windows, team lost control of the boy, the davos team recovered and adolfo on his mighty quantitative, six outran everyone in the setting of the winning shot. watching you heard to wonder: was it the clues or the world's best player

the difference, I'm bill whittaker we'll be back next new with another of sixty minutes. This is that take out with major guarantor, special guess, morocco and working to talk about more bitch raises no pot cast. I love more than this when it's basically things that I think deserve a second lock already this season we had John Denver we'd names. We looked at names like Mildred Burthen, Todd of which fell off the map, and I'm sorry that we can include major, but that would have been really interesting. Actually do you know where it ranks major, very, very low. For more from this week's conversation, follow that take out with major garrett on apple pie cast for wherever you get. Your pod casts