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search for another episode, or maybe some cool thing- that someone told us about that. We found an interesting, but we knew from doing a little better research. They didn't warrants a full episode in two months of hard reporting and interviews, but great ninety nine pm stories. Nonetheless, the best part from four members. I too have is that we do them. As on interviews where I get to chapter grow, Porthos who work on the show. Sometimes no a little bit about what they are talking about, like we put them in a meeting, but sometimes I know nothing. They keep them from me, That's very far. This week we have stories about movie novelist, swiss defensive architecture, central park lampposts and the lander costumes of the swedish Super group, I mean there's no more, no less to stay with us. is producer. Chris brewer.

So I'm here with producer, crisp, Ruby, rigorous, a remedy done, I'm doing pretty good habits. You I'm! Well, I'm glad we are doing our many stories chat idiots stories, it's the most wonderful time of the year, the miniseries, partly because it is a less formal chat with you, because I miss coming to Oakland and just having some time are we each other in person, or we can have a movie talks his ankle. Exactly we have to make do with movie talks on this like channel, that's called movie once again. Is it movie club move? You can't think it. It's not it's. It doesnt have quite sad fact. Well, ok, so I have decided to him for our movie talks into many stories proviso. Specifically, I want to talk about a quarantine hobby that I have taken up. I've been reading a lot of movie novelist, so romantic Remember booby novelist patients shoe the ones. Funny. I store ones are like these action. Blockbusters that are novelist of transformers

our side of the moon or something here, isn't anything Why would anyone read that thing gets speed? The official movie novel? Isn't it a second exec, where it's funny there's? Actually this really rich history, the movie normalization, so they go back to pretty much the beginning of movies. So as soon as people started, making movies that producers realized, you know we could turn a quick buck if we make a book that is based on the movie, but they really took off in the nineteen Seventys when blockbuster films started becoming a thing. So you Indiana Jones in STAR wars, knowledge movies coming out and some of those high ends were actually best. Sellers like they made the best seller chart mind. If I guess, if you put yourself back in that, had space, it makes a lot of sense. Like back in the seventies, you had to go see a movie in a theater or not there was no home view. He had just wait until it came out on tv roar. You had get the movie novelist Asian. If you wanted to re, live the movie, so its kind

like if you wanted to quoting quote, watch the movie at home, you bought an obligation exactly like this is the one way that you can relieve it and revisit these characters and think that the movie again then actually makes a Thomas answer. I liked yet nap, but that doesn't explained in this moment of streaming every type of video content. That's ever existed Why you are reading them right now? I could watch star wars, I wanted to watch set our is it an option is available to me. So I started getting really interested in these because of the generic product episode that we made so dear member. The generic raining episode. Of course, then classic everyone loves it. Especially your canadian brethren is that it was the most Canadian upset about an EPA we ve had. So you may recall, one of the people we spoke to further episode was again in Terry Bis in who was the editor of this series of generic books. This? footnote in the story but yeah, but it's a very member, footnote, ITALY, us

this refresh your memory, whose Terry talking about the no frills books that he helped at it As I said, hair on publishing, if you didn't, have no frills cornflakes, why couldn't you have a note rules romance so I did this interview with Terry and we're talking and he's. Actually this really fascinated guy. So he's a really well regarded cipher writer, and we are talking about his career and him. Since it for a while he used to write moving civilizations as a way to make some cash, so he did some pretty big movies. Actually, like Johnny Mnemonic, the canneries movie, he did Galaxy Quest he did, improves Willis. I find movie that you may remember called the fifth element. Of course and remember that movie was about ninety five or sunlight. They wanna came out in it. Oh really. Well, I think the reason sold was because people thought well. Maybe the book will explain what's goin on the move, because there's a lot of stuff in the movie that makes sense

and they thought maybe I would make sense, but I haven't even try so I'm talkin to Harry we're talking about his career, ands, I'm saying wow, it's really cool that you got to see these movies before anybody else and Terry tells me something really surprising, and that is he never saw the movies. But it is surprising. How is that possible? Well, he might have seen a movie after came out, but he didn't get to see the movie. While he was writing the book, it's usually done while a movie is either still being donors and pulse production and at the last minute they thought look, will spend twenty grand and promote the movie a little bit so because of the production schedules. Terry said in his experience, it was always based off the script and not the actual movie. When you're doing that obligation,

Well, I guess that makes sense now that you lay it out, but it is truly weird to think about that. These negotiations haven't connected to the actual visual part of the movie at all, I was actually like a little bit sceptical when he told me that some like how do you re anomalies, nation of a movie with no movie so Terry after we had our generics talk. He connected me with a friend of his named lives. And whose another site I writer, who wrote a number of these novel innovations, and she pretty much confirmed everything that Terry said like she did twelve monkeys who did the x files movie? and she said yeah, all you ever get us the script. I did Six or seven novels Asians, with one exception I know, did not sit down. You been reading these and doing whatever this research. What does it mean?

for the person running the novelist to have not seen the movie. So what it means is that the novelist nation will have a lot of detail that is different from the movie us of how movies are made so think about it. I mean part of the issue. Is that stuff will change from the sky? Why you're making the moon right? You know an actor comes up with a new line or some special effects are too expensive to film. Terry was telling me actually when he was writing the Galaxy Quest book. They kept changing the ending they kept rewriting the damn script and they probably heavy some groups. well, then, what ending they like himself like there,

We rightly last term ten fifteen pages of it three or four times what terrorist describing which is like he would go back in rewrite it to match the movie that was kind of rare. That often did not happen. Also, with a lot of these novel innovations, changes got made, producers just wouldn't bother to tell the writer please doing the novel. So there's all of these examples of moving obligations where there are details that are wrong compared to the movie, so Roman, for example. I assume you seem a tv extraterrestrials sure I did. He is one of the most popular Well he's ever and now you remember, there's a scene and e T were Elliot, we'll kid is trying to lure out e t and he's using candy, but the reasons pieces. Yet It's it's super famous, so in the novel, its eminence because they hadn't struck a deal with recent pieces. Yet so another example is the empire strikes back the novelist nation of that in the novel. Yoda is blue

to describe Yoda first thing. You say as he's a green green, his Hall of Fame green thing, but if there is a holiday for stuff that is, green, Yoda would be in there on the first ballot Louie absolutely so that thing happens quite a bit. There were like small changes that would get made, and ultimately you know that doesn't really ruin the experience of reading the book is still the same story. The other problem, though, is

Screenplays aren't very detailed. So when you're reading screenplay there's just like a lotta gaps, screenplays like a hundred twenty pages, basically of material and it's all dialogue with. If you set directions, you need a lot of seller in a screen play, it might say the characters walk into a room and you don't get any other details. So if you're, the person writing the novelist Asian, you have to fill in all these details of what the room looks like what the characters are wearing all these things you don't of access to, and sometimes the screenplay doesn't have details of very important stuff. So roman one of my favorite movies is alien, as you know, store its grip, it's one of the best cure something funny about the screen for alien. They dont described the alien soon. What did they do when they had to do the noblest? So I found this old article about Allentown Foster who wrote the novelist Asian, and he says he went to the studio and was

hey. Can I see the alien and they said? No? Oh, my God was what did he do well, there's a lot of passages in the novelist Asian re could see he's clearly trying to. Avoid getting specific about it. So here's one there was a vague suggestion, is something tall and heavy misses a bit later on above the helpless figure was a faint outline, something man shaped, but definitely not a man resumes real burble Jimmy sticks to not be specific. There. That's pretty good at actually and then novelist asian of Alien is seen as a classic of the genre. It was an actual best seller brain, but there are some cases where the writer is trying to fill in these details and add things and get a little carried away. Maybe demean example so An example of this is pretty notorious, is jaws. The revenge, the force Jaws movie and the writer added this whole backs worry about why the shark in jaws key, chasing the same family in the explanation is,

voodoo curse. I think in the revenge. The shark follows Ellen Brody like down to the Bahamas or something yet that is what happens and clearly the person writing monopolization restrictive elements brutal. Is a lethal logic. That's a little too far, so I have to do something to explain it. So ancient curse is the easiest way to connect those dots. excess my senses? Anything else- and this kind of thing would happen when you were writing, and you know you hit a book written know what to do and Liz Hand gave me an example from her career where she had to do this. I won't say that you know the normalization. Catwoman is my final moment, but it was a picture. Is this remember how we bury movie Catalan yeah so the Haileybury Catwoman kind of in a Tories flop. I think it still has nine percent on run tomatoes, lest it sheriff,

can I do for you why lesson no ice cream straight up loose was given the script for this and she looks at it. She realizes. Oh, no, like this is a mass like. What am I going to do. There is very little detail in here how making to fill a book. So then, how did she solve this problem so get ready? the way to solve this problem is kind of amazing. So what I ended up doing there is a character in the book is Wyndham screenplay. Rather it was a supporting caring. It was like a renowned cat all adjust the supposed an anthropologist archaeology, specialized in cats. and the Catwoman character would go period. Clayton visit this woman to ask, for you know all help me Obi can tell me what to do my little pointed ears and so what I I thought was ok. I know what I can do. Even though

it is totally out of line, I'm just gonna. Do it anyway, so I wrote three or four little cat. I made up Therefore, little cat, fables or fairy tales and so each time the Catwoman character would go to see this woman, the action ground to a halt and drop. These things in Basically they were stellar, but for me they were fun and actually one of these folk tales, but Liz Road turned out so well that she managed to get it published in a couple of short story authorities, including this one anthology of stories about cats, where it's a story by Stephen King a story by Georgia, our Martin and also her short story. That was a ridge

we in the Catwoman novelist Asia. That is so good. It's really funny. I mean it's so interesting because a couple months ago you know, I probably had the same thought that you did about moving civilizations. I thought I had these her cash in these kind of seem like hack work, but the deeper you dig into them. The more you realize there's creativity here, they're kind of weird they're kind of their own thing from the movies and to me, that's a really interesting way to think about the original movie and a kind of deepens the whole experience of being a fan. I mean it's kind of beautiful. I really love it like people operating with your creativity and the sort of marginally of this gigantic YO creative apparatus, it's so cool. I have a few special thank yous before we go. I want to thank my brother Dan, who is a big fan of these obligations. He gave me

the great advice for the story. I also think it is just an Morris who gave me a great list of things to read two or more about this, and thank you to the authors, who are very serious science fiction writers who indulge me and were very generous with their time talking about these put notes in their careers, so thinking to tarried, listen, Oakland his own Terry Basin, and thank you very much to lose hand her new book, it's a novel, called the book of lamps and banners. Thank you. So much and corruption When this worries at came over the transom be a twitter this year is about the four dick odds on the lamp posts in central Park in New York City, a person. Gloria at Lucent by weight. Tweeted about this clever form away finding the park in, I think, like a hundred people set it to me. So slim post in the park has afforded.

Number on it. The first two digits represent the closest Cross Street to the post in the eight hundred and forty acres anymore So if the virtue digits are ninety six, the post is parallel to ninety six straight, the second two dead. It's represent two things sighed the late posters on and its relative distance from the edge if it is an even number there it's on the ISA park. So even EAST, that's how I remember in an odd number means that that light is closer to the West side, the smaller the number the closer it is, the edge of example. Ninety six, oh five, is roughly parallel to ninety six street It's pretty close the west side, because it has a small, odd number, but if a limp first is numbered. Ninety six Forty two, it's clean, to the east side than is the worst side, but because that high number forty two it's more towards the middle of the park,

so, if you ever get lost in central park, find a lamp post we the embossed number and you'll know If we, where you are the explanation for this code found people on the internet lobby were intrigue by it, but they often wondered what what good is this cool way finding method? If nobody knows about it, will the answer? Is it's not really way? Funding for us for patrons of the park is really for parking boys whose job it is to replace in repair those lamps. you know you could like spin around with the on set off in a direction, find know where you are in central park, which is critical Of next is the digital director of nine apply and the co of the ninety nine percent invisible city. Mercosur So if you know anything about the history of Switzerland, you probably know that it's a beautiful mountainous country,

it has famously remained as neutral as possible when it comes to global, complex circles. There is here to talk about how that stance has shaped the built environment of which one, including your kind of obvious ways, but also really strange and furtive ways as well. Yes, Switzerland is filled with defensive architecture and infrastructure, and yet some of it, is pretty obvious like on the tops of some hills and mountains. You can find these rows of jagged concrete teeth to sticking up from the ground and some people call them tobler own lines. The trap that if it is another thing that Switzerland is famous for. Is that spiky chocolate exactly is because of that you know jagged shape, but these are built up to stop incoming tanks from rolling over hillsides into swiss territory. So these, like blue, look like if you were to take when there is talk of bars out of its package, is a piece of caught a big visa concrete. It just looks just like a top around

yes, basically, yet so that's an example of a kind of an obvious defensive design was, it was more invisible. Design will us the one that suit me down this whole rabbit, or so a few years back yes with government, decided to remove some explosives from an old bridge, and that made the news too. wait till they actually had explosives built into the bridges elf. Yes, and that was my reaction- to appeals to the same question I was like? Why would rigour bridge with explosive and the bridging question is an old one. It's seven hundred plus years old, but during the cold war they strap t t to this thing, so that key supports could be detonated in case of envy ok, so they remove. Those is, is that tactic longer a thing in Switzerland. Well, here's the thing. Switzerland won't actually comment.

That for security reasons, so it's possible that they are just deal with that, but it also possible they just swapped it out with new explosives. And this is just one part of the equation. Rights of some bridges are also flanked with artillery, which is like hidden. inside and in works like a backup systems, so they can retreat and then, if the enemy tries to repair the bridge, the swiss just rain fire down at him and stop them from doing it it's all. This is away till I keep enemies, you know both from crossing the bridge and then from fixing the bridge in case they want to come back grass right, so we had explosives to to detonate the bridge and guns pointing down at them in case the enemy wants to repair that bridge. If it's been detonated, so they have all kinds of things and in their arsenal yes totally, and secrecy and redundancy are a huge part of that, and bridges are also just us

All part of that, so in the Alps, for example, the government is carved out tens of thousands of bankers and other installations over that decades and they also rigged exposed is up in the mountains to trigger landslides. Again aware of stopping, or at least slowing down would be invaders and then there are those little villages, and you know the ones I'm talking about. Isabel Postcard, seemingly swiss hill towns, with little picturesque cottages and in some farm animals and beautiful views. Those are part of the defence of design, not all of them. But yes, there's this whole subset of camouflage designs like anti aircraft guns that our tucked behind these cute little windows because you looking for colleges and the Jackson fishing is painted here check out check out this lake. Just pick take look, oh my goodness

big gun come in at the catch is soon first range right. Nothing at all. That is really something. That's a swiss gun right. There really is massive, it's something else, and what really is impressive to be too is the attention to detail on these things. So in theory, these only really need to work at a distance right are not made to be camouflage up close, but none the less there really skilfully painted the even paint like big shadows under the fake overhangs. You have the almost walk right up to one to see What they really are worthy see. What they're, really not so of this approach can pervades all kinds of things in terms of their defence of design like it has an effect on the architecture of the infrastructure, but you know is this is politically swiss thing I mean. Is this where this kind of thing started? Yeah I've been the Swiss. Have bonkers ain't? You no date back to each other, like those cuts

these, but they got really worried and really serious about stopping the nineteen thirty's one. why are you raised this issue? On the one hand, they had this relatively defensible: mountainous landscape, but the other hand. They were completely surrounded by countries that, as it turned out, were on the brink of another world war, so their preparations made sense that this kind of cropped up between those world wars. But You also mention the cold war, so it's like they got started, but then they saw kind of more of a need. Even after the access and allies powers, New fought all round them. Right, thankfully confirmed there. Suspicion, but they really need this kind of defence, and so Switzerland wanted to be prepared for anything to make guerrilla war as hard as possible on potential enemies so, among other things, the even built enough shelters to literally how's the entire countries population we

its unprecedented no other nation, has done anything like this and that then became a matter of policy to make sure every citizen has the right to access bunker space if they needed it through in something and then there's always self destructive, whom design big red button that both everything, Mozart imagine why have abundant than distracts everything. The emergency assistance Isn t my eyes would circumstanced makes you decide to really go through. With that I've been that's, that's the crazy thing to be in any. If you could imagine this from the point of view of it, engineer right, a swiss engineer who is tasked with doing this, so there are building upgrade their building it to stand up and work as a rich, but there's simultaneously building it to blow up

or to serve other function and re like I'd, be to be turned into a bunker or whatever, and I actually read about this one bugger, for example, that is really just a railway tunnel. That's uses a railway tunnel, but they ve packed the supplies, and the idea is that in an emergency they can help us. Twenty three wasn't people in there and they blow up in cave in the two main entrances. So it's like a rail tunnel by day and then, if disaster strikes, it can be. This huge, like bunker, that's carved into a map of the world is moved on. Different cold war has evolved in certain ways, like It is this still a thing still making things like this like of his is this as part of the swiss mentality when it comes to building things tat, this kind of defensive structures? Maybe that is in part, so

they now have more publicly known structures and installations and bases and things, but a lot of stuff is still classified, and so it's hard to tell exactly how much, but, but you can't see this shift in that they ve started to sell off. Some of these places so you know there's some buggers that people have turned into houses and also these fake homes that once housed artillery, are now, in some cases becoming real homes. That house, where people like men, and something that we read about in the book with Toronto, the Electric sub stations that were camouflage houses and then the technology evolved passed the point: meeting these kind of converters and and therefore those houses became actual houses, exactly it's. It's a really strong parallel, it's one of the reasons I was like. I thought about talking about this in the book in that section was getting a little bit long. Young came upon her so well on it and you think long enough, maybe

you'll be that thing I'm becomes a real, exactly anchored thanks, so much

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wherever did you find out about the next ten minutes, love to chat about ABBA and the Mamma MIA cinematic Universe and how much are rules, but I actually do have something the civic way that I wanted to talk about and that's as outfits, because I think it's pretty well documented that they consistently dressed in these outrages stage costumes when performing yeah. They really were not known for their subtlety, so I guess I'm going to give you a quick tour of some of Abbas. Best looks so that we could be on the same page, so I dropped in a photo which is a lot. It's a it's. It's a look India, so Frida who's on the left, she's wearing snakeskin. Jump suit, you Benny Next door, whose working like this blue blazer and his lapels or me, a giant like ostrich plume, but my favor

It is beyond his on the very right he's wearing a head to toe jumpsuit blue skintight, with a cape Verde kind of woodwork, professional, rustlers or kind of ex workers performing or maybe circus performing professional wrestling with your literally looks like he's about to be shot out of a cannon and whose it's so good, it's so much willing? The reason why I one talk about apis bashing choices in particular is because I had read this really weird piece of trivia that you know. If it's true, makes this the perfect many story for me the reason why, as outfits were like so out there and so wild was because, according to swedish tax law at the time, if you are performer anger

Austrians were not suitable for every day where they were tax, deductible monies Zoellick. So the point is this: will give your musician in your stage, clothes or or to impractical for four everywhere, took to go we have to have a birthday party, are an idea or something you could actually write them off, like ass costumes like they were, they were professional where yet exactly like. So this had been picked up by a bunch of different websites, and but it was reported that this particular tax law encouraged abbot costume designer to make their stay outfits. You know as flamboyant and essentially as unbearable as possible as I say, kind, reminds me of the fact that a bricks were tax differently in England. A different solutions are you can to date how old, building, as by the size of its bricks, of his all kinds of things in the end,

design world that are due to your mundane tax considerations and not because of some grand design idea, but but it does make me think you know in the case of how flamboyant these costumes are and because its abba and because the internet just like how much this is true versus how much This is just about click yeah, exactly because this is still disco music, but there, dressing, for example, and it got kind of hung up on this so I ended up calling somebody to find out Maybe I'm I'm with you, you know it was me is: is now historic intermittent? Yes, of course, nothing can take me away from you onto the desk. The whispered charmer since, like this Who is this so this is over sensorium. My name is some stuff:

I am well, among other things, the designer other world famous Abou from Sweden, mousing you. He went straight to the horses. This is the sort, yes exactly, and I really wanted to talk to over, not just because he knows the answer to this tax question, but also because he might literally have the most fascinating career on the planet. I'm all should professional size, teaching young people. Took me come soon keepers and working with wild life, an endangered species, I'm action, also working as Safari Guide in Kenya. I've been doing that for twenty five years, he's so he's a zoologist who led safari tours and in Kenya and so designed all the costumes for any also ranges, flowers and once a restaurant with, but probably the thing that he's really known for now is his work with endangered animals.

is actually one of those television animal specialists who will bring like tarantulas in tortoises on a talk shows so he's basically like the Jack Hannah of Sweden Conway I know exactly what you mean. He actually started out his career wanting to work with endangered animals and just kind of fell into costume design, to publish wonder then how does one go from working with animals to ABBA? Let's also kind of a wonky story here so, according to over, he was at universe. You studying like zoology and botany, and Marine biology we see studying at university, was quite expensive to some money, and you see

come out, but during appear, though my John Life, I was studying the art of flamenco way from go dancing it nevertheless flamenco dancing, mixer. Let's that's backup for people just like he's is allowed just lead Safari tours in Africa. He designs costumes forever. And is also was a professional flamingo to yes, he is literally the most fascinating person on the planet, so We were told me that he, basically ordered sewing because he and his fiance, you know at the time they had this background and flow, anko dancing and over figured that they get on some extra money by performing at flamenco clubs. But there is this one problem, which was that his beyond say said that she didn't have any flamenco dresses to perform in another. Does not the problem darling? I would make one for you, of course she laughed, but you

can't make something good rescues over come on. It's quite complicated aid, and you see you shouldn't say no to burst. Like me, so he ended up taking his mother's old dresses and then teaching himself how to make flamenco dresses and he just ended up being like very naturally good at it. So the dresses Eddie was making. his beyond say caught the eye of a local, feared or group in the area, so he started designing for them.

And then he started working with you, no local musical artists, making costumes for musical performers and that's how he ended up meeting Frida from ever. So she took her friends for your them herself, because too must do you, and I said well, will tell me, tell me friends, I don't know anything about you. Well, I know, will be singing and who you are. But but what do you want and then gave him? Then, William Beyond said these words? Remember them over. Remember nothing is to wild. I guarantee it did regret, that many times so the first health it that he ended up designing for as a group was for this video called ring ring. Those are actually the costumes from the picture that he showed you above were, but you know, freedoms in the snakeskin job

suit and boards in that blue body suit with the cape, if you look at it, you can see the arm. He looks like something between circus artist, a drag shore and the super man. He s a cave. He has his ears, these LEO taught. You know with big he enormous platform, shoes were really crazy because you see, I was fascinated by circus, because I had some friends working the circus and look at these outfits and costume, and you got this more circus company. Really it was the first that's. A pop group should be dressed with looms and with sequencing, suddenly your thoughts and everything- and that was the beginning, so what you saying, they're the reason reason why have looked like they were straight out the circus in that music. Video is because over was literally inspired

Certainly I think that is a straight line best. So I guess the big question is: is did that tax deduction incentive encourage over to make their efforts even more absurd as a very funny story, while it is actually Hockley partly to but concerning other, but can you imagine other wearing these outfits? they had doggie shopping singing. Behind me, you want to buy some honey, yes, and I would say so. He said that, while he did purposefully make costumes more practical for tax, reasons for other musicians. That was never his goal when he was designing for ABBA. I had some artists who came to me because I made the costumes for most of swedish or read most of them and some of them came. Can you please write me paper to the tax authorities through can convince them that

It is not useful for weary at a funeral at a dinner sitting or whatever, so that happen, so you can see. Actually it's partly true because there was a law and it still is a law is written, but I can tell you it was never any part of any of the questions that are designed to produce for the about. Never ever so now you ve got a complete answer, so in the end were added. Assumes tax deductible, I mean probably because they were clearly not yet linked serious leg. Why not write em they're, not suitable for everyday use, but that wasn't a factor in how outta designed for the group would remove. The tax deductions worry makes for a good story, but I kind of like his answer better. I mean you know he didn't create these bonkers outfits for ABBA.

he needed, who is just because he wanted to exactly like He's telling me that his inspiration came from everything from like the animals that he worked with two swedish flowers to his friends at the circus. So what he created was really a reflection of his eclectic background. Really those fascinating. In view of the fact that there is a great will. Thank you for sovereign. mystery that I didn't know, I actually need it's off my pleasure. I did want to give a quick thank you to the Abbey Museum in Stockholm for connecting with outta that's great wealth and thanks to over gas, probably the most industry We ve had our notion fascinating person ever talked him alive things you thank you. If we don't q,

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