David Chang is an American restaurateur, author, television personality and founder of the Momofuku restaurant group. David chats with the Armchair Expert about growing up Korean American, his first time eating ramen in Japan and how he found his way into cooking. Dax talks about elitism in food and David discusses how depression led him to open Momofuku. The two talk about self-medicating, the responsibility to share one’s painful experiences and the importance of asking for help.
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Today we have a really fun guess: David Chang, David Chang, is an american restaurant tour and author and television personality. He is the found, of the normal FU restaurant group rest It's in New York, Washington Dc Las Vegas, LOS Angeles Sidney in Toronto. We have eat nuts. all these and have always been delighted that he also was the tv show, networks, his breakfast lunch in dinner in the mind of a ship. a chef very much enjoyed talking it, and I really really appreciated his honesty and you know he's in an industry. That's being hit the hardest right now, so I appreciate his time side. No, you may here a few audio issues at the beginning of this, but we sorted it out pretty early into the interview, so hopefully that a clearer quickly there was some mechanical technology difficulties. This is the time we're living in and were learning and growing. So if you think the audiovisual dicey efforts hang in there, it gets fantastic
I hope you enjoy David checking, he's hi. How are you I'm good at it? Are you held up in New York? Now we're staying right outside a friend sounds because increasing culture that when your birthday is like a really big staying in March. First, I had a lot of family in town from all over the place and they're all stuck, so I couldn't keep them all at my apartment, and I asked one of my friends who has several rooms in a house that lives by himself. While I need a crash at your place, those foreseeable future. There's a toddler people right now it's been a traumatic three. Or for weeks. I don't know how long I spent anymore. I want a man. for you, it's gotta be twenty times more stressful because of all the different trees are getting hit the hardest. The restaurant industry is,
in a shambles yeah. Yes, it water, most exposed businesses right now and I'm trying to be optimistic. I want to know what the floor is, and I dont Anyone that hasn't laid off a ton of employees in my industry, in that You know, honestly, like I dont care about restaurants right now, Applause, find a way to feed themselves in a variety of ways, and thank God there still restaurants that are open to take when delivery, this concern. I have is for all the employees that were undocumented or documented. They don't have a job right now said, that's not nice, to think about what actually year set up primarily in New York right, so the majority of your employees are all living in a city. That is what you say to cheap to live there. You can't really just kind of flowed along for awhile Now and then that sort of the discrepancies the recently customers, bellers,
expenses in York a very different then for employees and say LAS Vegas, Toronto or California, and it's dead a whirlwind. We have a really good team and we're trying our best and that's the hardest thing, as I know that we have people on James utterly hey. You need to do that job and I dont disagree, but we're doing out there in a situation where no one had been prepared. I can imagine they taught this class at college every school. So it's like when you have no, whether three months shut down due to a pandemic, make sure Your excellency, the I think it's gonna be. still and that's what my friends and I move my friends and I moved industry we are trying to sort out is what does it look like when you do reopen up. So it's very Marquis how is your wife cream? She is like similarly first generation like you, yeah she's, first job were, and in and therewith us right now, and I am one of the few people. I feel like that
absolutely doors by in and how your baby hear him. Yelling disparities is just heard: thirteen months spend amazing to be able to highlight given every night, and I try my best. Even for this. I happened to make his food in a breakfast. To dinner. But you know that's really the only good thing that's happening Maybe if I was beginning to see him almost walk, that's where he's at right now and I would say, there's like another week before you can upgrade. It really take his first steps. That's like the best thing and if I was working, I kept missing it like you watched it on video on Facetime, so I wouldn't change that for anything, because it's been a total joy and develop and before my eyes- and I dont know a ton about you but I have to imagine you ve been sprinting now for the otter. Now, ten twelve years, yeah yeah no actual, I opened along with Blue in August, two thousand forward.
That was just me all the time, like no one really want to get work with me, and now we have over fifteen hundred points that we used to have over fifteen other employees in LA yes, have to imagine just every step along the way has been really time consuming energy consuming. It has been. Stop and honestly I did. Know what to do and tell you know like maybe a month before our son, born. I was just freaking out because didn't know how to stop. I work my ass off I'm out to work. take the personality to begin with. It's the only sort of socially acceptable addiction, the out, I'm I'm a big time out its work. The yeah first and foremost, mom and dad are from Korea and deaths from North Korea, Mumps from South Korea, my parents, born in what is now North Korea. My mom came from a very well to do family, where a lot of
I would say- intellectuals, lived my grandfather. You work in a government, a guess vacuum sort of like a tourney attorney general at time and my dad side face, came from nothing and he was born on what is now the border of China. Korea and lifted or they lost everything in its whole horrible, storing it up self yet so how did they meet? This is like literally the story that I've been told. They were at a picnic with some friends from Dad's, older sister, dad saw my mom peeling an apple with a knife, he's like while she feels it so well. I have a very easy wow. I was better than my own great you're gonna. How much I believe about, but you told us that, in one here I met Sally or sleepless in Seattle. I forget which one
peoples in Seattle, there's an apple peeling with the knife scene or into someone form of recycling. It has to do with the love. My aim, I of course now I'm dying to watch your mom peel and I know I have to imagine its borderline rob she's really good at it. So what were they? where they, when they came to the? U S so my God, to America in nineteen sixty three and he moved to New York, he's pretty dramatically He went up washing dishes and you're not living what you put it. He was a real immigrant experience just getting out of a job and making your way through that. I thank you was here for like three four years and then he came back to create that's when he met my mom and then they came back. I think it's sixty, six, nine and and my dad was working. restaurants, on the more before the house level, and there now and then my sisters, one seventy three, seventy ya, but it's
boy they end up only in restaurants and even a golf store is accurate, yeah, my dad squeeze a hustler, there's giant sections of my dad's history that will never be known: that's exciting, yeah. I have no idea like how he went wind up in New York and then I guess you work restaurants going all the way down the Midland wound up in Washington DC how he wound up owning a rush brought. Is the script to me and there's like crazier story like somehow, I think for a year or two he listens small town in Kentucky and again like having free and dad. It is not easy to get any information about? How can we do now is darkly and allay? There is a path for korean immigrants, which is that the you know there's a huge green community, the often on a community level,
Raise money and loan money to new immigrants, start small businesses, which was any of that happening for him out there yeah, that's how we actually got into the Gulf Business and she wandered getting out of the russian Business and I dont know how. But she had some foresight in two gulf, and you know that what I did for me, five to like, team or sell displaying every day but they're a time she got in the Gulf business and there are problems on Wednesday twelve to fourteen for young men that divided up Washington DC area. Oh no shit, narrowing DC where the Virginia and at the time, provided it all out, but I think they ll pull their money and the people that had the most money actually took the desolate actions in that area, the wealthiest locations, my dad being the poorest at the time, was you ve been reached. Seven in Winesburg
every day in your Thyssen's corner, and that before Thyssen's corner became one of the biggest shopping malls in America. So he was by given the worst worst location and a want of being. the best location owners, yeah yeah yeah was quotations washing golf centre and there was a delay but getting warehouse yeah, but you can't something centre. If we ve only got like four hundred square feet, it was, it was big and it sort of way you know such a long time ago. I ever recollections of admit this, Looking at Pasco, just like golf clubs everywhere just stopped on the floor and my dad told thing was, spend no money on how things look of competition Did you work? There is a kid yes, I did so I have. class warfare stuff, and I'm going to get into that with you when it comes to fine dine, and I was a real, reluctant, a doctor to fine dining cuz, it just screams rich people and I feel less than in when I mean a fine dining place. So
I wanted you to know that later, but then you know golf also kind of does that to me. So if I had to pick the last group of people wanna be interfaces with on a regular. It be like right, dude working a golf on the weekend, I but I dont remember to where we were too there wasn't like old money coming to us. Ok, it was just so bare. Bones people that went to buy something there we're going there because it was like just count I'll get it right, regret it wasn't it wasn't. My caddy share not, like not at all but like. If my dad had any similarities is a little bit like groggy dangerfield with working. The cash register me breaking down boxes and they went Odin overgrown out. I how to regret than repair golf clubs- and I did that when I wasn't practicing playing golf like my dad- was pretty ahead- This time in regards to like now take a joke. If your create American, that you want you on your daughter. Do you like?
called worker star and when I was playing out there were no other asian people on Mars. Won't you I think it cuz, I'm I'm four years older than you- and I was thinking like. Oh his dad was following the Tiger woods Play book, but now there is no Tiger woods play book at that point, right actually knew about tiger pretty early aren't just from my plane, competitor golf that thousand a sobering thing. When you, when you're, like eleven twelve old and you think you're really good and you learn you're. Never gonna beat this purse yeah, I think out war must the two were felt that way for about a decade worker. Like what are we looking at handicap for you at your peak, depending on don't bullshit me David, probably scratch we're all my get. My montague doesn't mean anything that is. These just spoke the completely different language. I have no idea what any so scratch range on average you're hitting poor on every hole like let's see it's enough for
our three than a power for than a part three than apart you're, getting at the end of the round, you're not above or below, which is that's a very, very rare, rare, rare raw. But I didn't know what was going Thou, so young one. I was playing and dad you're my work, world was surrounded and centre a gulf or religion. Ah, what religion Presbyterians? You know basically burned out once I just didn't, have their mental game to play competitive golf. So that was pretty yeah also did you expect all that, like very stereotypical, first generation asian parents, type of pressure earlier. do you as a piece of parenting today for sure, but I me you're a day in the life of a teenage first generation korean, I just remember some kind of punishment wasn't always like physical. I don't know you know what, like I talk to my brother's about it.
We're always in a state of fear, there were not doing a good enough job. We need to work harder. I would just remind my dad always saying: like hustled you have the house, you have the hustle. A lot of that was manifested in the golf course when I say about playing golf My memories are on a golf course because I would say fifty days year for ten years was playing golf because I was I one of bourbon tournaments when I was younger, so the expectations for me, or maybe a little bit higher and ammunition pretty early on. There was a different standard at how the kids, was friends with that we're all like white kids from, and I would say middle class. Families were being traded Engulf, wasn't the centre of their life, they had other Hobbes whatever I just. I didn't have that option. So did your parents care about academics are where they just pushing the golf thing. One hundred per cent fills, therefore the Gulf thing, but the weird thing,
What how create immigration happen and things similar to a lot of immigrants by came here. They're saw the two classes for Koreans. You know a lot of their people. That again, if wasn't gulf, it was in church and a lot of people at church that were considered, like, I would say to to do that they were on visas because they were doctors or engineers, academics. everyone else that was, bigger owner or dry clear on summer time. There was a very light weird two caste system. In some ways I super similar to the Indian yeah migration story. And so my dad was like always do better at school, but thank you, saw primarily on that. I had no attitude So my sister was the real bookworm, strangely student. It didn't mean that wasn't demanding of getting the best grades, but I know I talked about in the book
you got push back and publishing because of this carbonate. Anything like it took a long time made a process, but I was so scared of my dad that I couldn't really achieve an academic because I was so scared of punishment The fear of failure urges burnt runnin rampart. I just cite myself about it. I never did well in school. Every group in what would be a DC supper, basically yeah of Virginia. It's weird, though, because, like I spent a lot of time in Virginia like proper, because I think that doesn't really start until you get to Richmond right, yeah yeah my God had a business there and I put a tournaments down there, so I would probably go to Richmond every weekend. That's firstly were was instrumental in my life, because I got to see what american food actually really was now, how much is being asian by a kind. Imagine you're, one of a thousand in your town promptly
the junior wandered having a lot of Koreans and that's why the church is so important in so many Crean american immigrants, because there is a huge population Chicago Latvia has one, obviously California dimension by decree in population in DC, nor the bridging area is pretty huge. Ok, but I like I just never fitted with cream people about either and I did a fiddle to well. We didn't like traditional, wipe your mind. Can every along? Did you wanna be white? Monica wanted to be Y yeah, but one hundred percent with my brother, my older brother, all the time. My older brother yeah he's a moment. I gave you David, you should sit like I'm just the whole thing from how my brother doesn't need a lot of cream food because a lot of the scarring just being made fun. Oh that's a unfortunately a way to grow up. Oh yeah,
I presented everything being korean, and you know the phone thing is by being honest about this now diplomatic. I wonder if you feel the same way by saying How much I didn't want to be claimed back then yeah, today, twenty twenty there will be Asians that we like thought you D Chang. How can you say that, like I'm not saying that now, then I felt like I didn't want to be clear yeah has emphasised that, but people listening to that, I totally we and I type we talk, whether all the time on this podcast and while we have another pod ass, a relationship, one that I talk so much about these early experiences and trying to distance myself from my ethnicities so much and yeah there's a lot of bad. Glass. It seems that comes back, but I almost think it's it's fear based. I think when I hear people responding like because how can you argue with someone's emotional right here? You know like you can and it was different, then indefinitely waited for you
I admit solely gotten better for people of different ethnicities. I think it's just hard. Issues are to be different. It made it do you like whatever I didn't get in was like magnified my ten, but I too, you know the cost, that we have in the names and the whole nine. It was just like, oh how we're to fit in here, because it's not even these other secondary churchyard things. It's. How I look is why, we're going to fit it all. As well even the black community, You can be more marginalized, but at least in the black meaning you have all kinds of different celebrities. You could point to four aspirational people achieve success in comedy Carmody, dramatic actors, stars of tv shows sports heroes for both of you there is really no one in the popular Zeit guys that
crushing has the Caribbean or an indian that you go like well it'll, be fine. I can t, not to be Eddie Murphy, you know why I need you have white people the point to so you think you have to be as closer that as you can get an ordered. It have sort of success, not one euro parasite winning weeping at aspects with such a monumental moment for cream people, at least America, because they're like holy shit, we have someone that we give route for actually career Yolanda, say your brother, didn't like korean food, which I get you were not in that same position as em. You liked the food. You know it was interesting, because I really well make my grandfather side and my mom side. They were to do- and he was basically japanese early nineteen hundreds, Japan to colonise career. You know there there's a lot of old woman.
that maybe never will be killed from various perspectives, increase base it on the doorstep, for Asia, for China and Japan away like He was raised so they took a lot of the well to do and smart korean men and women, and basically taught them in Japan, so they basically brainwash them, be their proxies in Korea. Yeah just slowly like assimilate japanese culture banging Teresa She didn't like cream through my grandfather, food, Japanese was so when I get the Japan when I later, when I smell the food there is feels more like home to me than when I landed soul and her some weird I got some sort of we should go in and, like crazy filled with something that my moms and basically my my there's mom is an amazing caught. My dad side were a horrible cooks and I've always jokes until two grandma's, you know a lot
What cream food is is, I always say, from a western perspective, pretty gnarly like kinky smells like bearing pungent an effect Its popular now is crazy to me because it was the, that I was vilified for so my brother quite related growin up was, I I don't know anything to do with this food. I'm never eating it, and I, to follow that nose like oh. I also won't eat this book and I think there is probably a good three for your stretches. Like I'm marrying previewed either this scrap young, when I when food it was always at my house, I never would ever bring created to school but I do remember when kids would maybe come over and how the next day or the came on a Friday Monday would say out, Games House knows I could, follow that was the labour, the ok, that's not what
would link him. She too, I mean you can't argue that doesn't have a specific smell, but certainly nine, although the Bali is, are really interested in getting some data sharing reactive will they they should the bed on that one Joe food, I think, had unfortunately a traumatic experience. Particular tribute as eyes and younger kids won't, like you, didn't quite often what what can be empowering for people who have been the victim of abuses to at some point confront abuser when they feel strong enough to do so in the fact that you checked it so much and then ultimately embrace it in such a profound and the way I have to emerge is cathartic gun some level one hundred percent in it's like I'm working this out with my therapists in front of everybody and yeah. So I now how to make sense, because what was curious to me as you you went to college Trinity, you studied religion again bless you, but when you got out you end up in Japan, what was your gate waited?
and the other than granddad. I was a horrible student again, though, like I couldn't get like everyone else, is like the dot tumbled, so bright, red, no nine- and I am I want to answer what the fuck I was gonna have to do so I literally went to the clear, fair I've made a right and it was teaching, English and repair incorporation? And I said I one job here and there to me, and I didn't think really about it. So did you speaking Japanese. That night, I don't know I didn't write and even have any care I just needed to tell someone. Would you do it, so I could tell them young. I didn't really think I was gonna go you're gonna be This is something I want to tell people do. It will never come here, and then came and everywhere, and it was pretty hard, there teaching of the English are just being in Japan. All of that it was a Jackson.
Lord about hotter and not nearly as nice. If you can say such a thing, ass loudly ass. Well, well, well that really the private! Ah, my entire list, where I wanted to go, was like Sapporo ok I'll check it out and they gave me by the place I wouldn't we chosen, which is a small village called. Is you need to worry, back yard, was arise. Paddy were again probably awesome for five or six days not now the fast- and I just I struggled, and I think that was setting me. I've seen us pages, since two thousand three powers like we can count like pretty much can point that was the first rate manic episode. I had warehouses. I was gonna Coquet, my twenty four seven. Aha, with mania, ok, I lasted about four months and in that time frame, though there was one Rahman shop there. I was too
I wish to go there because that's while the local villagers were eaten congregate in you gonna go in there and sure enough when I said I couldn't take it anymore and my eye wandered away, but I couldn't get a transfer gotta go in there and am I wrong in my entire life? Never an actual on a shop. What, then, I saw all these hard boiled eggs and balls, and it was just like a great places you can either hobbled. I put some on it in my drink beer and wait for your honor was like was almost like a pop up I ordered a ball of army. Only because I was so scared go in there and like one of those in a rabbit moments where I tasted their cells like holy shit. This is so good and drawing up loving instrument I didn't know that it was like a real thing,
out and how does it I mean this absurd, like such a dumb ass question, but yeah what or what's the most profound differences between what I've eaten and then what you had their best, where I could describe was having really bad frozen. in trade orange juice right in thinking that orange juice entirely, and then you get beautiful, perfect, fresh squeezed oh shit. This is what why she says: yeah like I could look back at it the same way and in detail making the noodles there. I assume right at the rather honour and the process, a milky imports. So as I go most five Porky good Denison, there was often twenty is like you. Can I connect the dots later in life in college, somebody I wanted to drop out here. You gotta cookie school, but my guy basically come to be otherwise. I was never going to fit in but world, no matter how hard I tried so like cooking, something that I wanted to do, but my dad watches entire life effect
so I would never work in restaurants because he knew how about life was young, even how I had it in going to do. It is not something I ever thought I was going to actually do so, even at that time in TWAIN in food was afraid. This thing from my mind when I got back to New York City, but you and I back and I was gonna, get a job and finance and working in food was a this thing from my mind when I got back to New York City, but you end up at the French Colony Institute. So how did you- and I got a job for about months, basely being corporate desk over. I think I was pretty influence. My office space, the movie and I had at the stage of their lemme crisis at the age of twenty two, as this is what people do at every day, you type a keyboard. Do something shit. You make your phone calls. You get yelled at dinner at your desk in you, go home you're, so tired and you pray to God.
I've got a working stated this. The horrible existence like this in I learned about this thing called be a negative vote, which is what the early catholic theologians would think about. Better to around to get closer to what God. It's because you can't know what got his cause he's ineffable me he's on the ship, but if you say God's, not this microphone gods, not this computer got stuck his cup water. If you did at all times you wouldn t, we get a little bit about that's it. Pretty easy logic that I would have liked to my life's. I'm gonna start to do all these things that are not to do almost like towards stanza, and get me a little bit closer to maybe what I want to do the right for a year or so I did all kinds of your job, everything that I thought I could try. Do I would do for like two or three days and then I would quit, and I was like you know what I think cooking, for me, but I dont know. I know that in this task is not for me to our french colleagues to and were you
who immediately great in cooking school, like Arthur prodigies of there are people that are more give that a cooking and others like any other, I would say: I've met a couple of people that are real geniuses in cooking rain, but didn't go to cooking school, but for the most part you have to become. and some people are gonna, have higher up to do being written. That might be how you move it it's in your nice gills, your precision and all of these things, but for the most part, when I started quickly, I was one of the worst students anyone's everything, ok, I'm a package, I only know one way of getting anything done in that's trying everything I happen to a problem there, but always works well with a partner right and should be told my first partner. Level once or their six levels in public school she refused to be my partner on level too. So she told the ships? If I have to be David's partner, I'm
school, and they only had to be Davis partner, so she quit school rotten and be my part la once. That's a straw yeah yeah, I'm just looking over. I do what a mess I was a human like. I really wasn't just a fuckin mass. So what was the turning point? You went to work for crafted why, in the middle of this year, that's an ongoing. I just started by what version George Osborne Cooking School and I just started pouring myself in the profession in an hour. I'm just gonna do everything I want to do everything I never used to do. I'm gonna put myself in this study and I just became light infatuated with all aspects of cooking and what a year later I lit his it took the day off without answering forms a craft afford. It opened up on my two days off from work and at most a kitchen outside She's, the restaurant that I want to be here and
maybe I like this, because it's not that I love it just like. I can't imagine doing anything else right now. I just myself into it and craft was like winning a lot of money because the t there was the time to adjust Oswald was a world class and game when even except me as freely They were like. You know what we don't need. Your thinking right there much you, you, son and You don't mean a reservation. So I was like you know what I just said the greatest there. So I will do. Never needed to do to get my feelings or, if I have to answer phones I'll, do that I did that for food. Once, while still finishing a cooking school until I could actually work for free Yeah that's happening so many people took me under their wings and I learned so much there. Stay too for more arm chair. If you dare.
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The lowest person there and you have to your way up till you get to the top, and I very early on my role was I gotta do whatever they tell me to do right and what I learned was it wasn't an appetite like, I wasn't naturally gifted at it. But what I saw about cooking that was very appealing to me. Was man if I do this every day, I get better at right with a gun, he was probably great training for this in a way because it very much yeah Gulf is such a baby step, baby step bay, just micro improvements over years. It taught me a lot twas, a prelacy person by nature, but I get competitive as a mother fucker allow that's yeah, that's helpful, then Gulf turn me, unfortunately into total lunatic in terms of Michael in this and that viewed. It was out for me to get to this person's position. I need to be better than this person. How am I gonna get there? When I open up moment, you can two thousand for no one wanted to work with me, not one person.
It gives you an insight to how bout I was a what we would do. the people would have. If, if you have invited someone to be a part of it- and they said he, I won't work with David for Ex wife, I can tell you, because I've asked them they're all my friends to be you're. Not that good cash. You are never been assumed chef you want. Romeo. What the fuck are you talking about, because after I cooked for craft like I came back in, Japan is, I felt like there is unfinished business and I wanted to work there and I learned a lot in Japan cooking living Japan was like a lifetime Experience will learn a lot about myself because Japan such an expensive country, particularly food, and I had like the piss me, but I came to the realisation that I really well there cheaply and that that was a weird thing, because back America, two thousand three. If you said you wanted
like go to a nice rushed on. You feel, like fool. People would think you're like a snob right, oh yeah, yeah. I would about Can someone a snub year because you were wrong you couldn t whether that the whole idea of eating well was yet fast. and then to eat a nice meal meant like some fancy: french restaurant. That was just exclusive to any one else other than rich white people. So you have really a lead us there wasn't democratize, at all, yet known not at all. So this is the weird thing like I had the realisation when Cook in Japan. I was like wait, everyone to actually eating. Well, I most of my meals at convenience stores, like the seven lemons, their equivalent, like some the best, would I had worn like convenience stores like Sandwiches noodles, I have those type of Japan and the japanese work ethic, and I guess also through their engineering and in vehicle manufacturing, which is really field. I know a lot about theirs take your business to their work ethos that is
have it in their products. So is that what's happening with the food? Is there like a and attention to detail and meticulous, or is it they're using real ingredients that aren't process like we're using here? What was the distinctly factor that made it also good things care more like have you been to Japan before now dying the gods. One to me ass, my own place. Monica then that I haven't. I won't tell it's the greatest spooks you're in the world, in my opinion and everything's good in Everyone knows more about food than any one else in their food. Culture is just because back a thousand plus years their restaurants, better like FF. Hundred five hundred years old and killed right. So why? But like that, all trickled down to Everything Japan is just a little bit better because the care more, they just simply care more n like an exile sandwich. Would you ever buy
and it's delicious another way, then show when did that book come out around two thousand and two thousand doesn't want you? Ok, so I read that book and I hardy animals, sex, craze, drug Laden,
for there a lot of crazy stories, I've seen a lot of crazy shit, cause
if I spent enough time with Daniel Annual in one of his time I had my first manage my god and all,
yet any help is, is weakness right exactly in the hole like twenty six. That's where I reached a point where like fuck it and did you self medicate, oh my get at it. Yeah Renault in your base line is feeling like a negative sex and a drug because my industry also was like you mean and have quality you go out every night sometimes sleeping