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2022-07-26 | 🔗
This week on Flightless Bird, David sets out to discover why America loves circumcision so much, to the point where 115 million American men now find themselves without a foreskin. Joined by Monica, he tries to figure out why this medical procedure became so popular here, leading to some medical diagrams not bothering to include a foreskin anymore. David talks to a man in his 30s who’s furious he got circumcised when he was a baby, and another who’s annoyed he wasn’t circumcised, as he considers getting an adult circumcision. David talks to a doctor who’s carried out hundreds of circumcisions to find out what all the fuss is about, and spends time with Georganne Chapin, Executive Director of Intact America - who wants circumcision to be thrown out the window.
This is an unofficial transcript meant for reference. Accuracy is not guaranteed.
I'm david farrier, an new linda who ended up accidentally, marooned in america, and I want to grasp what makes this country tick, no I'm not sure how many penises you've seen they use hidden away, a strange piece of equipment that can be hard to take seriously. We don't even like saying the word penis substituting it with dick prick cock and Wang hey man did. I feel you face plant into my pubic mound. No, no! No! No! There is no contacted for sure, because I could have sworn I felt either your nose or your lips, no nothing touched bro, nothing touched. The cold. Hard fact is that half the world's population has a penis they're, pretty common, but the american penis is different, because if you live in america, the default thing to do. If you have baby that has a penis attached. Is you get that penis and chop some of it off? At least seventy percent of american penises are circumcised. Some surveys have that number higher at ninety two percent. Now here's the thing,
If you live in america and listening to this you're, probably going that's totally normal, it's what you do to a brand new penis but being from new zealand. It's not that normal. We like to the skins proudly waving them around in the winds like a flag or a sock for all to see. Most western european countries have a circumcision rate of less than twenty percent with listen mind, I want to understand the american penis so get ready to draw your best set of cock balls and decide whether you're going to include a foreskin or not, because this is the circumcision episode. The, Are we all feeling about this topic? I am really glad we're covering it.
It's a thing in america. Is this it's different here and it's very noticeable. I mentioned the whole drawing the cock and bulls thing as sort of a gag in the intro, but when you do draw a cock and bull, there is no force. Can it now if you hearted, were almost not as to how to draw also could also it's like a caper sheath, which is hard to draw your destroying a big circle, with a line at the top for the urethra and offer a cock and bulls is erect, so the force can use its pull back and doesn't really feature. It's not a flaccid. Penis is isn't it no, no, when plastic you're at you're always drawing kind of an era. It's not like swerving inquiry waited the cock and bulls come from. I assume america, I feel like americans were drawing a cock percent. Yes, I think, because it's an american cock and bulls. That's why there's no foreskin when you draw a cock and bulls. That's my pet theory actually know the history of this at the declaration of independence when they were all coming up
Yeah really was alexander hamilton, doodle decoding abide. All data was drained by right. Benjamin franklin, he is the most perfect by them. Ok, really like my stance, it's a ludicrous. We circumcised it so stupid. There's no point to its from biblical times when it was hard times that forest can clean. That's not a problem these days. No one has infections. Now that says that that's what people say, but that's bullshit. So it's ridiculous! We do it. I think it's absurd, I'm so glad I have boys cause. I would have had a hell of a time deciding because you haven't had to make that decision right, but I thought about it when christmas, Now, look what do we do here, the locally in california? The rate is only fifty percent, but that that is very unique to the. U s now her with my belief that it is so genital mutilation, which we all agree, is preposterous value to women. Mind you that does have the goal of decreasing pleasure, which is meaningfully patriarchal, but it's still by its mutilating so stupid, but this already terrifying to show your innocence.
Buddy behind. If you already feel other in you know, all the girls are gone tell their girlfriends. He has a force. Can let me also say I wish I had a force. Can I'm jealous of David presuming, you have got what, as designed it's ridiculous to it is what, by the way, going wrong yeah. It was a big debate for natalie, and I yeah Ben and Kevin had to be research. Why will you I half after all worry the bay whether or not we are yet he was not for it. The doktor said: do Are you sure that's what a lot of people say again, something it's just a merry and at the end of your thought, I didn't want him to kill me but I agreed that he shouldn't get that much. like religion, that you just gotta do what your parents do right now, it's all about nice, it yeah true in someone I'm not a kid. My high school had a force can in people, wrote with soap on the window of his head back forcing why help
that is my gaze and now he's very rich. I hope you, but I just know that you can be a pariah for having forcing, even though with pleasure we get into that in the docs great great. He has a lot of nerves in that foreskin. Now. The only thing I thought of I was glad I didn't have a foreskin is like it was so hard for me to last more than a minute or two in high school. If I had more nerve endings, I think when I pulled the sheets back, I would have sprayed that's what I told Natalie. That was my argument like why well appreciated circumcise him right when he was born and it didn't take like they didn't cut enough off. It's year and a half in redo it he had to go under for it. So we had to go to the hospital like can put under and wow. He had a tweener is like that of horses can kind of dinner. This is why you shouldn't mess with it. I'm saying this, and I also if I have a boy I will struggle, I don't mean we are circumcised.
Well yeah, you can't have one be as preposterous. I took to the streets as I usually did, to kind of canvas other people's opinions, because I did feel really alone and knowing what to think about this topic- and it was a weird one to talk about, because it was the first one of these episodes where I've gone out to talk to people about something. and felt like a bit of a weirdo of because you suddenly you're talking about penises sure and just as a guy. I mean round with the microphone that is designed to bring out, though, if anyone could ask a question about a penis it to you Try one thousand more time! Okay, that's good! Well, it did work out in the end circumcision. It's something we do in new zealand, americans. They love it. They tend to yes, You know, I'm not asking. The kids are not asking. employees but yeah. I guess parents, love circumcision. Is it a good thing, bad thing or neutral
I don't think anything could be neutral. I think you tend to go for what you know, but I think natural is good and if you're circumcised then work with that as well. I re alot of its cultural thing but the father has the sun tend to have. Overall, I think that's how it works. Of this quite to mark is love standardization. That is a very difficult subject. broached? I dont know. Why am I correct? Finally mess kind of thing? I had twin ways. Our second says the visual statics, the boys. They feel different if they're, not there in the locker room, yet made fun of foreign they into circumcision in canada. Think so I think it's going down in frequency. The idea. Why ideas? cultural heritage. Europe's thing we are its also like britain thing, a
It seems to be like the default thing you do to a baby. Any thoughts on that I am so does yeah. Just it was done. I didn't know, and it's there or not, there are actually guys wife was off to the side, just mortified. He was incredible. I love that guy media is you're, saying it's kind of that thing of you want your kid to not be the odd one out and cause the circumcision rate so high here it just keeps going and going and going it's so american to be like what we have is the best way or the normal way when actually numbers wise. It's so not totally. I don't think it's our american exceptionalism in this moment. I don't think it's a saying it's the best, I think is saying fuck. I don't want my kid to be super humiliated it's not humiliating in new zealand, because that's the standard exactly so it's only humiliating,
europe because we decided that that's quote normal and clean and that clean think he's coming back like it's way cleaner, I'm scared of here now america is like, if anyone's he's, my penis, allowing it to be like horrify, because I've been told its draft for dirty thing commands you person, question Have you found its much harder to keep clean in america? Maybe there's something here: let us on our latitude, surprising ladys have water and stuff, and it is kind of fine. It's not packed with less it's, not a hint lobbying shaking it out interview. I know not disgusting, there's something patriarchal unlike ill about. I want my son's genitals to match my get it owes you were I totally disagree with where you're coming from europe in as we think what we know is best. I think it's motivated solely out of preventing your kid from me humiliated.
Here. I know all about where they live. They don't live in new zealand, but if everyone just didn't, do it? Listen? If you look at everyone on the same page and he would say- and I like us lights, which an end this everyone would say. Yes, I don't think that's true. I view word that I think a lot of people would not say here is your explanation is like rooted and arrogance and exceptionalism in. I don't think it's all those character, defects that are driving and I think it's compassion that strive. I don't want my kid to be a pariah. This thing, so I wonder if it is apparent problem or the medical program want his kid to be a pariah yeah. It wasn't about matching mine yeah, but your doctor told you yeah, and that is a common thing. Someone said it in this too: I'm not making it up out of nowhere. A lot of people do that, and I've been told that, like whatever you have if you just do that yet by default, yeah and there's no other way around it and that's what I found in the dark. It is rooted in american pop culture as well.
it's told again and again again that you're a complete freak show, if you don't have it, which is, I guess where my journey with this whole thing started seriously you you should have that taken care of, I mean you're a variant. Man, but that payments is a disaster. Or what would you have me do joy gets. Circumcised sized happiness, eland, new zealand. It was always sort of weird watching american tv shows where it was just a given that every adult man would be circumcised. while a more as the person that, before The second session, when I was a kid I assumed it was a jewish thing, a practice deeply seated in a culture and religion. That idea was reinforced thanks to shows that sign found something I watched religiously everything on payment. I wasn't Yet now you what you think,
the face, no personality, the sense of being in america. A few friends here have had their babies circumcised and I discovered they weren't jewish. This shocked me to my core. Why would you circumcise anything if god wasn't telling you to do it? I decided to pick up the phone to talk to someone who knew what they were talking about. Hadn't worn fraid walk that I was about to face time. Him, but he kindly Hence it anyway happens all the time limit. For short on our you, I'm really good, really friends or retired surgeon whose head several branches to his career. He was a director of clinical trials for allowed urology group general urology until he was into his fifties. He also did a lot of cancer surgery and all through that,
I did a lot of circumcisions. Okay, how many circumcisions do you think you've done in your lifetime? I don't know that you can count that high hundreds I'll tell you that universally it's not an operation that urologist like to do it's fiddly. You have to go to the operating room if you're doing it on a child. The parent's anxiety is also part of the equation. I never really thought about what was going through a parent's mind during a circumcision. I guess it's unpleasant for all involved. Some can't stand the idea of doing that to a newborn, because it's generally not done with anesthetic or very little anesthetic out, but I've had children sleep through the whole thing, but I always put in a little anaesthetic because I just can't believe that it doesn't hurt, but a lot don't and the moyles ritual jewish circumcision. They usually soak a rag and wine and give it to the kid he sucks
Why, too, by the time they get out of it during the surpluses, little he's drunk as well as being popular and judaism? Circumcision is also common amongst muslims, because there are so many. Muslims on planet earth, sophistical e bay get circumcised, the most the knicks biggest population that practices circumcision, americans. What I'm trying to figure out is why it seems that america, the default thing to do to a new born male child, is too circumcised them. Well is because the american association, pediatric labour conciliation, appear to draw jake decided in the fifties and sixtys tat. It was benefits will to do it in a new born where you could do it under local or without at a static you have not doing it or that you have to do it at a later age, which requires an arrow static sure. I understand why it's probably bit it circumcised, an infant than an adult, but why I do it at all at least seven:
deep assigned to the american male population is circumcised about a hundred the fifteen million men, that's giant. Why chop off a hundred and fifteen million for skins? There are a couple of factories. The first one is that you want to try to look like tat. So if dad circumcised the kid circumcised and additions where the force can does get pulled back and then it starts to stick and by moses, where you get scars and you can It retracted. Okay, so things get a bit graphic here, but for skins and adults can go awry, but it's pretty rare fred's main point is that if you do it, you want to do it early. There is evidence that it protects against the contraction of hiv and aids, but the risk reward is not good there, because it's not a simple operation in an adult. It's usually in the operating room with an anaesthetic. It looks like a dog chewed on it for about a week
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impossible turned out, it was actually quite hard to find that out american who was toying with getting circumcision, so I just started casually bringing it up in conversation. While I was getting food with friends are inquire if they were thinking about getting a new heck ass, more tattoo- oh, maybe a circumcision. Surprisingly, this tactic actually worked and I met Tom circumcision has always been a topic that nepal in tat it has been. Like the tip of my mind, I always thought that there is something wrong with me. I do have a condition, call emphasis, which is where the forest can doesn't fully retract, so it doesn't exposed entire head of the penis and for the longest time I thought I was like there's something wrong with me like. I can never be fixed and growing up queer as a gay man. It was a big insecurity of mine,
so then that gives me or more reason to think that do I need to have a certain session because it seems to be more culturally accepted, especially in the queer community and its moral desired. Despite having one, I hadn't actually thought that much about the aesthetics of a penis, a penis, was a painless hidden. Most of the time only amount gene from time to time, usually in private there's a really incredible piece in the new yorker about a botched adult circumcision written by Gary stein gas. At one point, he perfectly captures the absurdity of the penis quite a voice. Imagine that, beyond its pleasurable utility. The penis must be an encumbrance hinsdale thing to most heterosexual woman, like a war us wearing a cape that shows up every once in a while to perform a quick round of gardening, as the top he's been weighing up changing the appearance of his penis for years, when I was in my mid twenties like how should I do it. Then the soil became an
and so now that I'm thirty one I'm like do I do it cause for me. I'd find the wailing everything works and everything's great. It's a public perception thing from other people that you're dealing with exactly and that's a change that you obviously can't reverse it. I'm always like. Well, I kind of look like the statue David, please uncircumcised, as he's like revered and everyone's literally looking up to him and so there's something very natural and wonderful about it. But from a functional standpoint, I wonder what it's like on the other side, this whole time I've been talking to Tom. I've been thinking back to my conversation with doktor woke and that dog to toy but I guess the grass is always greener on the other side, because I'll be in
to another man. Adam Adams was circumcised as a baby, but he didn't want to be circumcised. I mean as an infant, he didn't get the chance to make a decision, but as an adult he's mad, the call was made on his behalf he's annoyed. His force can was loved off before he could form the thoughts or the words to say. No. Thank you I'll keep that bit. When I really press my parents on why they said it was the looked like dad, which is a very common answer, which is really just a way of saying. This is the cultural norm likely a nation with his kidnap, daughter and taken? They do have very particular set of skills at a foreskin back skills that make me a nightmare for people like you, he makes the point that he lost a lot of nerve endings when that skin was chopped off between ten.
thousand and twenty thousand specialized or rato dziennik nerves. In hindsight, he'd like to be able to try those nerves out, it's sort of a pass down wound, which I don't think anybody's having that thought explicitly in their minds. When they're signing the consent form for their son to be whose eyes for Adam it's about him, but is also about america and how america thinks about penises. He sees the whole operation as a human rights violation. When you had your, enough about this and you're like hey. Why did you do this actually kind of one of their skin light was at a weird conversation to have oh yeah yeah. How did that go well? He was very emotionally charged. I was young. I was eighteen I'd been distraught over it for years. I thought I was growing up in a civilized society here, but at the end of the day, this is the ritual that we have medicalized at one point he considered suing his circumcised. To make his point, I mean
we'll have done it a headline from two thousand and six reads: man sues philosophers skin six years later, another case in another headline man: twenty eight sues over circumcision that robbed him of quote max prowess at the end of the day, we're strapping baby boys down on these boards and then going at it with a clamp and a knife and acting like oh, this is fine. What's wrong with you. This is totally normal. There's parts of the forest game that are after that you'll never get back, is just one of these sort of exceptions to any kind of understanding of our economy that works hot growing up in american culture. Adam is not alone. There are a growing number of americans that want, therefore skins back, I mean literally, there was at wonderful scene in the age, be I show how to with John Wilson. We run low, had invented a device to stretch the skin back on his circumcised. Penis run explains his invention over on his youtube channel
for my day job I'm an industrial engineer but as a sideline operate a business called tlc tugger which help it's restore their forces there, people like on sitting out to restore one for skin at a time, then there are the those who are looking to change things on a more systemic level and not just people that are missing a foreskin don't even have a penis, I'm Georgiana shapen time, seventy years old, jew turns background is an anthropologist in public health. I've been a healthcare executive for for many years, probably since my mid thirties and now she's the executive director of intact america, which is a not for profit based in new york which is trying to change the way america thinks about circumcision. Americans are obsessed with the idea of their son's penises. Her mission to end circumcision is sort of personal. Her brother had come patients from his circumcision when he was an infant. He was circumcised in the hospital shortly after he was born.
and then a few days later his urethra closed up, something called me out of stenosis and it only happens in circumcised men. It could happen at any age, but it's virtually unheard of in men who are intact, which is we don't say, I'm circumcised, we say intact and he had to be taken back to the doctor and his urethra had to be reopened with a scalpel, and my mother had to hold him. While this was going on, like Bruce wayne seeing his parents gunned down. I guess that was georgia origin story. By the time she wound up, studying anthropology she became interested in circumcision all over again. I just thought this is such a peculiar, awful thing to do. To a newborn baby, how could it be that half of the population all males were born needed corrective surgery? It just made no sense. Nobody knows the exact right intact erica did his own survey rick and seventy five percent of american males are circumcised. The world health
Ization has a between seventy six and ninety two percent? That's not like there's a seems real penis database in america, so it's hard to get an exact number coming that if you have a baby and new zealand, this is not a decision. Any one has to make, of course, you're not gonna cut your babies, peanuts, and so here lot of the articles you'll see in the press start with if you're having a baby boy. The first important decision you have to make is whether to have him circumcised and in non circumcised. In countries it's a non decision. People who say it's cleaner. You have all these aspirations for your child. He can become an interview or for pad podcast. He can become a neurosurgeon. He can become a fine carpenter. He can become all of these things, any not going to be able to learn how to wash his penis. I mean it's absurd. I quite
account dramatic georgia and gets. She goes all when we could cut off somebody's toes and they would never get half ways foot fungus between their toes. We could pull people's teeth, they wouldn't have to worry about cavities, we could remove girls breasts and they would never get breast cancer. So the idea that this is important, critical decision is really a scam. I think this is the first time I heard an american described. Circumcision is a scam, but if you look into why american circumcised, you can see why she uses that word, I'm not talking about the reasons we told today I'm talking about diving back into the eighteen. Hundreds circumcision began being promoted by doctors, aside from it having a religious ritual history among muslims and jews and some tribes around the world in the victorian era, the belief was.
That sex was wrong. Sex was dirty and only to be undertaken for appropriations. That masturbation was a sin or dangerous because it dissipated the bodies, energies, and it was thought that if you cut off a boy's boris skin, It would hurt to masturbate and it would also make him less likely to indulge in sex and actually a philosopher and physician. My monitors in the thirteenth century said the same thing he said the force can is a source of pleasure and removing at men. A boy was spend more time in his studies. So this has an old history. By the time the early twentieth century came around. Being circumcised was seen as a mac of class. If you read it really all
American guy, like I'm talking about somebody in his nineties and he circumcised guaranteed his family was wealthy, but as more and more people started having babies in hospitals, it became more common and by the nineteen forties in the eu, yes, it was pretty mainstream. It was mainstream in new zealand back then too, by the way, but by the seventies with largely stopped. But america forged on or a very american reason, because medicine became a fee for service enterprise. Here, so doctors make me
hey the more procedures they do, the more money they make and hospitals bill for a doctor's bill for it, insurance companies, some don't pay for it, but most do in short, circumcisions a big business. The hospital charges, their equipment manufacturers, the clamps, the scalpels, the bandages, the circuit strain, which has a molded board that they put the baby on that elevates his hips so give the doctor easier access.
and then there is a whole industry of circumcision, repairs, circumcision, revisions, many of them for cosmetic reasons. Then there's also a cosmetic industry that uses severed infant forest skins for face creams. If it's such a disgusting body part such a harmful body part, why is it so valuable in hope that you want to turn it into a face cream, a smear it on your face it the forest and has very particular biological properties and probably immunological properties to so yeah force can fiberglass or hot commodity and the beauty business back and twenty eight in a quite famous actor made headlines when she talked about getting a penis facial from new york cell,
which brings us to a topic I didn't want to come to. But here we are smeg math. If you don't know what smuggler is? Look it up, you don't need me telling you smack MA is actually derived from the greek word for so cells magma, it's not any more disgusting than the saliva in your mouth. These are normal bodily fluids. So we've built up this myth about forest skin, how it's beneficial to remove it and, as a consequence, most americans. My age, have never even seen an intact adult penis. They might have seen a newborn's intact penis at the haven't. Seen that they've never seen working, and this brings us to and chaplin's big point that circumcision is such a big part of being an american many americans. don't even know what an old school original natural penis looks like anymore. I actually have a
I have the human anatomy that was published in two thousand and twelve via national library of medicine, and it's got a huge color plates of the male reproductive system and the male reproductive system has labeled the penis and the testicles and the as deference, you know where the sperm travels down and all that and its missing of working its circumcised penis there is the default pettiness. It's crazy! Somebody looking at this, whose intact would say: that's not my penis, whose purpose is that this part of the issue now that if you do have a fortune, if you are in fact in your kind of a freak in america, maybe I'm afraid you are now well you're, lucky freight, a lucky freak yeah, that's what they tell us the freaks, but here I am a key restrained in america. A freak in a sea of dicks doctors will tell people anything to get them to circumcised. Ersatz they'll tell them is healthier, they'll tell them
its cleaner, they'll tell them. The child will be made fun of the other. One is sell, tell them he's gonna have to have it done eventually show it. To do it now, when he doesn't remember or it's better to do it now, when is less painful or its even better, to do it now when it's cheaper, but the assumption is, is going to be done, so Let's do it now and I get my money now and then you can go home from the hospital georgian thinks attitudes are changing. Even in the last five years, people have become open to even talking about circumcision, open to the idea that may be there's another way. She's
you bring a wound, a memoir by the way who working title. Is this penis business and will look at america's obsession with circumcision? America's strangest scam, resentfully america's join us, because some people wanted to stop boys winking yeah back in the day, you wouldn't believe some of the things that were circumcision was promoted to either prevent or cure. Hip displays ya, tuberculosis,
Insanity, urinary and siecle incontinence, so operating on the genitals has a many thousands of year history. People are obsessed with genitalia, because genitalia are so important in perpetuation of the species, so this is america's culture. By, unfortunately, it involves maiming agenda tells not all do some, I admire them, but we make them that seem like a good place to furnish things up. I thank you again for a time and wished her luck with her penis book. Before I wrapped up my journey into the force, can no lack of force. Can I guess I wanted to talk to doktor fred woke again. I had a hat question, not forgotten suppose I wanted the retired urologist to tell me his most intense penis story. I called him back. He was wearing a shirt this time. Oh, my goodness, I mean the things that I have taken out of your reproach train,
big pans. There is a very common in l, a county prison where, if you take a marble- and you grind it down until it small and then they hold you down and someone lists of you're force again and they ve sharpened a toothbrush edge and they stand the skin and they the marble and there they always put it on the dorsal sides, the little grub against terrorists. It's a french tickler. If you will, in its approach to drive your make wild when you get out o my god that so into this is happening. Alas, it's not uncommon. In l, a county present amazing. I never heard of it, I'm so nice There is a blessing when you have a ritual surpluses. May you always be naive about shit like that?
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rio rattler real nasty home. Now that was fascinating. You know it seems like the solution is to do at top down for the air. May I am unsure first to all say, ok, we're no longer performing knees and we're not reimbursing for these the real point, eyelid dan, I dont- think you're gonna, get it on the societal side just because of again the pressure. Whatever whether motivation is, I think, its ethical for them. I may to go look guys, there's no point to this, or we're not going to do this anymore, that they're gonna to go to some other, and the high road I was you do for, like the muslims or wherever that have to help me there's a different thing. Isn't it worthy hopeful that feels like a very doesn't if they are not doing at a hospital like I went to oppress honour. I was young, I guess you. It was a party the whole party and we stood there while a brand,
by way of an hour. Rabbi am we'll cut off some penis in front of us. My mom did not want but she didn't like it, but I was like ways and religious affairs anything throughout his and all this it's one of the oldest procedures. Arrogant has been done before accorded history like fifteen thousand years ago. They were doing it for religious reasons. That feels very not saying it. That's mrs airily reason didn't say that he would going forever, but very different reason too. American healthcare system going up we're just going to do it because it's our fault and the thing is everyone I spoke to about this even knew what they're talking about from a hospital point of view. Is that it's not a the cap procedure, exactly how you do it like how you stretches forced out, we, your chopping, what you're doing, let alone side of the hospital when you out of here yet already at about cat patty. It's a very different thing. It is that with this, the other angle where the baby can't talk, they're, always crying
the way labour always being dramatic if they crying when you chop it off, isn't that bad, it probably is and might be hungry or they might be hungry or they might sleep through it. So it's a holiday of how much trauma is this creating in a child's rhyme with boys and feeling pressure and stuff. I totally I mean yeah. It just exists here, but again it's boys amongst other boys. For the most part, a lot of my friends have had sex with uncircumcised and they're not like a cloud sorry. It was weird like a bastard potato day, kids a brutal, unlike those guidelines, adults, don't really care yeah. I think that everyone would be fine if they were a full grown adult in college when the veiling happened and everyone was rational and not already scared engine, like everyone in america, doesn't have nipples in your though grown school nipples right, I totally get it, but then also that every other place in the world doesn't have nipples
You have to make that annoying erika year, but just that fact should be a relief to it will not help you in high school to go. Oh well in bangladesh they have nipples. So I feel round The only one in my height is your members that the pressures on went no one's that comes to global pressure. It's all peer pressure, such a waiting to bully over any sale and if those some uncircumcised at school there be the ones that are being taken. just be, I remember I said so so strange. I want to address the mass nation his day, other. I didn't know any of that doesn't shocked me at all, like that. The whole puritanical isabel than all that shit makes me so angry. here, I like to fuckin somehow get people to masturbate less is crazy, but I have thought many times when I have envy is the poor non graffiti I've seen where a man has foreskin and he lets say he were to finish outside of the womb. Okay and his assistant now with his hand
What I notice tat is the force. Can it almost like your own lubricant, like its lights back and forth? Totally, yes, and I was like that's income. nepal, that you have a built in lubricant completely, because now it is it's a bit of around four lubrication and for like getting down to business What george Anne told me as well is that something that she has experienced cause she's talking to loads of people as she is rallying to stop circumcision is that american men? This is an amazing thing for me to say, like they pound really hard. Okay, because they have two cars Payments is like much number soda be able to reject light there really gotta. Let go for a review of anything because imagine like a few uncircumcised. The heat of your penis is present isolate a law bubble comes out. Like surprises, surprises excited why mittens off yet we live, and but then when you're circumcised. Is
on your underwear all day, all its tyres, its ear allotted to him in the bottom of foot. It's all thickened had and come feeling to add. We talk so much sidedly now about consent consent is the big word of the day. Typically, women need to consent and we're just removing the fact that there is a surgery happening every day in elective surgery without the person's consent, which will dramatically affect that life and their sex life and every everything was reeling. Bricklayer gwen, elective cosmetics are dracula. Yeah, that's the outrages. Thing gets not for some lifesaving procedure. What if they gave rabies in knows job a mediating react when I can be like that that culturally, it was dangerous, do not have a big roman knows because you can gain of Erin. what a I feel better one,
yeah, we all would feel better if all of us, with big noses, I had a friend in new zealand, I still have a friend in new zealand will call him and JD What are what a conventional kiwi- and I don't know why and I didn't have the details. I was wanting to talk to him before this episode, but he's asleep because he's a new zealand tour as weighted down by net forest, in this example know how, because he was going to have a circumcision when he was a baby, but didn't have them for some reason. So he had it a bit later. I think around, like maybe five or seven or something- and he just told me this amazing story, one time He got home from that procedure and he was for some reason, Anthony lay down on the rug and he sort of became attached. no, no, no to the road and instead have had to peel himself up, which is just a really intense story that I always think of when I see Jaden is confusing, though cause it's so
If you think it's going to feel nice, maybe even comfort the baby blanket used. That's a lot after this episode. You feel more comfortable being here with the in certain sides and tat YE sites, the sand tat, I think I do. I mean it's weird, because I hadn't really thought about it. That much and I've almost more worried about it now than it was before, because I didn't know the steps were so high about circumcised venuses. I give us ninety two percent of it set up. A rigid did. I really am a freak and let the one place you don't want to be a freak is when you're, showing your penis to someone right. Will you want to be a freak in the sheets, but you don't don't in before you get in the face.
playing my mind a little bit. Anyone is who you're gonna want to have sex with is not going to care. Okay, that's good to know. What's like that, british show, I think it's called naked attraction. Maybe have you seen this? It's like I've only watched various bits of it, so I'm probably describing it incorrectly, but there's a person playing the game show and then this four boxes on screen and they've got a person in each then the bottom of it will open up and saw their sales effort in some caf and they'll be naked and they'll be like ooh. I think I'll pick one and two cars as cops are good and then they open up the next layer and it's genitals, and they were all. I put this on that. While I thought I saw the eliminate them until this one, like body lived there, like and then now open up the facebook of the box, the below without while I love that faces touch their body, Your honor know. I love that body, but I don't like that face. No. This is a masterly horrific. I really,
I was uncircumcised at this point. I be great yeah. That's the thing that you can reverse it like. You could get the tac tiger. And what that does. Have you seen this action it's real, I mean it's real, but it doesn't regrow the nurse. That were long? That's your shoe. It could just make sure you like said only three years ago, Your data might look like you have a bit of a force can, but none of them. There is a role that now soggy scheme that you ve stretched out. Will you now the tac tiger works, mamma dont anybody know now yet tell us attaches to light. What's left of yours for skin. The subtle ban that you put round. They got like a little strange that kinds off even in weight, so high, and so you will at the weights, Daniel if I could be wearing it right now and like it's just gently like pulling on my foreskin as I'm sitting, and you can also there's a bit where you can, you can sort of pull it ups. Are you attached to the headboard and it just stretches your penis aggressively, while you sleep wow
eventually you'll get some skin back. Do you know? City are supplied for the tales back you'll just get sag your skin in that area. Let's be very clear: there's no added by tlc target yeah and just stretches, or do you know if this guy for kia, kay I are, he may be. Death is the lack of heard the name. His goal was to recreate all of these rituals from different tribes around the world. He did everything he did on waste reduction, so he had like a twelve inch waist. At one point he did the I forget what tribe of native american does this ritual where they put huge hooks through your pact torres and hanging from a tree all right, okay, I eated that he also cut his penis and have the first to get a prince albert, piercing, anytime fitness in half, but before you get all this, he put very heavy weights on his penis and he just stretch his penis out till like four
and just got really thin and crazy long. It is amazed What you can do with the penis is scene and the new jackass film have you seen that at all haven't they get to but suppressed fix glass and they put it money. The side of the vienna summit and they have little screws on the perspectives, is tight. Knit enemy and the pain is, let us live. A bit of paper is just flat and there, and then they pay ping pong with each other. They know the relay attached to this thing, but you you can do a lot to that year, obviously chopping. The forest growth is literally like the most painful bit too. Off this world and over thirty strange thing, why did you want to applaud the peanut? molly ability, and so what? What is incredible about dogs have penis bounds? We don't have a bone in wages. Have all these blood vessels in the fact that it inflates of blood and become stiff is incredible? It's crazy and the fact that, when its limp, you can push, it is already
Can you can put it back in your body? If you try hard enough I've done this and you can. Can we see is aboard light, is a feather sivas aboard it wouldn't be credible It's not a good idea if cuts and boys hatred for its youth. What we can to like. No other body part, though while yet the volvo kin contract and expand so much, then a baby can come out of. that I really cool, I led law, will love ass, love or gave away this on competition, the because farmers, when but fair what broke on Europe. So when it was a rat, it's snapped I think a thing, a tour, a lot of a lot of the blood vessels way where they connect to each other to become this one unified for angulation yeah.
that must have been such a surprise, Gaza is allowing the boy you feels invincible. Right was what it can go through normal. You need pain, it was searing. He kind of what these little boys are gone. If I want to point out something that might I don't know if people ever think about, so all babies are female and then, if they're, Male the mom's body sends testosterone down inserts converting ovaries which are inside the sand they take us. the vulva in the vulva becomes testicles in the clitoris turns into a penis? that's so wild at our genitalia is the same thing just puffed out in different areas. I think- and there was real- as as female bodybuilders, who do a tremendous amount of testosterone and steroids their clitoris, does turn into a penis. It began
prolong. It right has a shaft that has a head just like our head. If you look at your phone or that closely, it has a head just like the penis heads and as it grows out from all the steroid use it mirrors, a penis it's incredible you as very light liberal thing to say, but I'm going to say it because I believe it the fact we all begin like this and also to change as amazing. We get so stressed. gender and genitals rank because they were gonna sign from the same space yeah. So why are we that stressed about it you're right, but let's all try and stop circumcision. Somehow I feel like we probably should it's that well, let's just go on for another like hundred years the well right, I don't think so, and it seems to be picking up some momentum again. The california is encouraging. So look you're going to be in school with a bunch of different kids and there's going to be plenty of support here. But if you're in northern wisconsin. You might be on your own
doctors to finally stand up and go, this is a preposterous on ethical tradition. I need to procreate in america and have a son or multiple sons and not circumcised them, and they be the beginning of change that young, with our modern and I'll, be laid in light of the euro and that they will start to create change. When you flip your doing out in front of some coed or in co, ed in the next month or two now go what the fuck is going on there and you go. Oh I'm from new zealand, I'm like mom makes sense. Now, if you're, just like, what's and there I dunno. I live next door to you, so you gotta build credit, no one's going to say what the fuck is going on there and if they are get a different woman. I think you don't mind beforehand and that's wonderful and I think all women should mind the forest again, but I also think there's a lot of high school girls that are would probably tell all their friends.
currently until there's more people who art where they have been to stay away from has cooker unfilled. They feel David's. Martyrs son is on the same, cares matic, otherwise will be using the tell you tell her We are the tlc is the tender loving care, yeah wow, that's not tender, loving or caring to stretch to make your dick saggy. I don't think a foreskin is gross at all, but making your dick super saggy is gross. I'm going to stand by that, the more I think about it, the more accurate I thank you. Thank you yeah. The question is: am I become more? I can enlist american in this episode because I do have a foreskin, so I'm probably like less american I'll take place. Setback setback or the new american Oh, so sometimes we could say is: are you becoming more american bar? Is america becoming more like you, oh, and I think that's the ladder.
Okay, so I think america is becoming more like you, David. Congratulations to you, your trendsetter. Thank you for your completely normal and average at home. No wonder you came here be spectacular and exceptional in your succeeding admirably. Thank you thanks for.
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