We're one tenth of one percent of of the world's population. The country's above us are billion people, hundreds of millions of people and where nine million people and we rank is in the world and that there is more than a rational is try appearance the triumph of the spirit of what it is. It's a triumph of faith, former prime minister of Israel. Benjamin Netanyahu is the first prime minister born in Israel after the country's declaration of independence, is still relics. we recently establishment of the country's seventy four years ago, the prime minister's whole life, has been in some way or another centred on and in service to the state of israel for man. A service in the israeli defence force to serving five terms as prime minister, more than any other israeli prime minister yeah, who has shown no signs that he's done yet is clearly in the running for israel's upcoming election

back in the ninety. Ninety, during his first or the prime minister, was foundational and tearing away at the root of israel's of socialism. from there, his ongoing strategies resulted in fundamentally be making the country, particularly on economic freedom and military strength in our Benjamin Netanyahu explains how that happen and what it looks like to continue peace, while on the edge of disaster and destruction at all times, plus by Mr Netanyahu, tells us he's managed his relationship with the united states over the years, especially with our president's profundity of jewish people's perseverance What benjamin Netanyahu has on the agenda is indeed, Prime minister, again. The hey hey! Welcome! This is the Ben shapiro show sunday. Special. This show is sponsored by express vpn. Thousands of my listeners have already secured their network data, join the express vpn dot com. Slash bent just reminder: we doing some bonus questions at the end

Prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, the only way to get access to that part of the conversation is to become a member. over the daily wire dot com, slash sunday, you can click that link in the episode description, use code, Ben for twenty five percent off you'll have access to all of the full conversations with every one of our awesome. Guess, prime minister, thanks so much for joining the show not her welcome. I want to start by asking you a question: I think a lot of americans you don't know much about, and that is where the roots of zionism. So when people see Do they see, frankly, the jewish state, because there simple fact, a matter as long as serving prime minister in the history of the state of Israel's most years and so how do people dont really understand the fundamental basis of the jewish state? Is the holocaust? Is jewish history had, while these parts tie in notes forcible jewish history when we came here are the jewish people cable, with their abraham number Abraham from the bible? Abraham Isaac Jacob? Well, they came here about thirty five. years ago, and this has been land the one we ve been attached to four thirty five hundred you,

Jerusalem, a couple three thousand years, so easy we're mostly survived year. Thrived. You struggled here for about two thousand years of these thirty five hundred years, and then we were kicked up. People think we're kicked out by the romans. Now they destroy, jerusalem, but we still hung around but around between the seventh and nine sentry in their cargoes, we do pleaded for my lab. We lost, I learned. A lot of people are stolen, can happen but we didn't give up on the dream of coming back to our land and reconstituting on national life, and so we will constantly said next year in Jerusalem. Next year in Jerusalem, we wanted to come back. We did come back dripping first, then much more greater numbers in the nineteenth century in the twentieth century we reformed. it is also we are. We defeat the laws of history the laws of history. So you can't come back from expulsion, dispersion, exiles massacre you cap

we did it. We came back at me, constituted this extraordinary stated there, not only serves the jewish people, but also its non jewish citizens who have the the best standard of living and the only ones who enjoy any civil rights equal rights in a very broad radius in the middle EAST? I dont know if the middle east will change, it is changing. We can talk about it, but the state of Israel, I would say, is like a parable that people can overcome the worst starts in history. and could fashion the future brilliance and hope against. The overwhelming out, I think that's the story is: will it gives hope to me

it's maybe not due to a small, ah branch and the college campuses or the united states, but millions, hundreds of millions out even billions of people in india and in asia and in africa and latin america. They understand that israel gives hope to humanity. It says you can do it. That sounds like a yes. We can set your family history instead of israelis is amazing. It goes back several generations at this point, an area starts with your father, who is who is deeply involved in design, is movement and who actually spoke with a lot of very prominent figures in the united states throughout the nineteen fences. You're telling me before the show that does that he actually had a meeting with with present as an hour for good.

Before that I'll tell you that my father at the age of twenty three in nineteen, thirty three wrote that the holocaust- that's the word he used the holocaust will threaten not only the survival of the jewish people but the peace of the world everywhere that, if rampant anti, anti semitism that the nazis were promoting in nineteen thirty, three, the the the month that hit the rolls, if that is not opposed, it'll sweep and engulf the entire world. So he was a not bad for a twenty three year old was oppression. Here he thought that we would be imperiled if we don't have a state to stop to get the Jews out from europe, the jewish people from europe. They would be destroyed by dancers him, so he wanted to persuade the the world that there is a need to do that to make the

instead, he went to show buttons gives the founder of my movement. He was six years old, he was in london and he was agitating to persuade britain to to have a recognize the jewish state which they refused to do. They closed the gates of this three. They wouldn't allow jewish immigration there against the ebb. My father went to job it is going on. You said you have the right idea, but you're the one place, and he said why you said because you should be in america, said why America, because america will be the rise of power in the world they may be. A world conference on earth will emerge as the great power in america can make Britain do what britain doesn't want to do. That is recognised the jewish state while they went to america it is good diet and my father continued alone during the entire world, during the warriors, agitating for and we were all of thirty two. and he began that's a nineteen forty two he does

to do something that no jewish, later than before, he went to the report, It's he went to senator tat was, great senator because we're, world would not hear of a jewish state was absolutely opposed to it. He didn't want to antagonize the bitter. She thought that the british wanted to cater to the abs. He will. He simply would not do he was a great leader, but it was for for the jewish people, that wasn't good, so not being able to persuade the Democrats who enter the Republicans, and he said the senator task to advocate put in the republic of national convention on the platform support for restricted joseph immigration. Angelo state well was within legged bathroom, later, we had no choice. The democratic national convention adopted a symbol, level so many ways. My father was the progenitor of the bipartisan. american support for israel but

Of course he didn't just work on and public opinion, but he worked on also Andy and the generals the politicians and he went from one to the other clare, boothe Luce, the wife of one of the publisher of time magazine who was a congresswoman, brilliant woman. She opened doors for it, and so he was taken first to the lowest official in the state department. was lord. My henderson was responsible for the Middle EAST. They started bringing them up bottom to deny chosen was acting secretary of state intervention the bottom two eyes an hour after the war. He was the commander of the army. They heard from him something that they never heard before never heard before and, as an hour asked him. Why should we support it?. Said, because the war ended the sober he's going to war to the Middle east, the arab countries are not only, I gotta be an obstacle to cooperate with them and we in the

The state of Israel will be the bastion of the west bank in a western interests and western I use in the heart of the middle east, to block the soviet to take over the Middle EAST. and as an hour looked it wasn't always very. My father describes himself. So the very open minded very logical american patriot, so he asked him: how are you going to be The bathroom of nearly six hundred thousand and my father said to general you the in two world wars how we use for others. Can you imagine how strong will be when we fight for ourselves? well. I don't. I was very much will press by that, because he got the whole general staff for a second meeting with my father and he wanted to have a third meeting with

machine vote to persuade button to change their attitude. The bits next dad, but it tells you his perspective, you work and public opinion and work on the officials public opinion you appealed to justice. Officials will be two interest and the two merge, but obviously you've taken up a lot of those lessons in your own career. So you can see there the transition in the transformation of the state of Israel. I've only visited state of Israel four times over the course of my life I visited first in two thousand, it was during the second intifada, and then I visited when I got married in two thousand and eight and I visited three years ago and now and you can see the massive transformations that have happened over the course of that time period. In large part, thanks to the fact that that you as the finance minister and then as the prime minister made such stomach decisions in in the state of Israel that this this the growth here is just extraordinary world first and I look at it when I landed any country, and I can tell you immediately what their gdp per capita is. I look at the roads.

I look at the cranes you ve been is really could see a lot of that, but, of course, they had taken the other things that are happening here. Mesmerized. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but the two most robust centres of innovation in the world today are Miami no offense to silicon valley. It's good, But it's miami and is still alive, but you know that innovation doesn't do it by itself. That is, science technology. Education do not produce wealth by themselves, because if that were the case, then the soviet union would have been the most of wealthy country in the world because they had fantastic scientists mathematicians physicists, metal or just didn't help? To do that? You know you have to have free markets,

technology, without free markets, as in february, when it just makes people migrate to countries with free markets, free markets and technology can explode, which is if senior my mission was to if my father's generation was to ensure the creation of the jewish state? My generations responsibilities, I thought was to ensure its future and the only way you can ensure its future would be to have it powerful. What is powerful men

The first thing you have to do is to have an army or the ability to defend yourself, which is what the jewish people lacked when they didn't have stayed in. There were butchered on without end well, when you need for an army, you need tanks, that's been replaced by drones. You need to you, need the airplanes f. Thirty, five! You need submarines, you need the military intelligence units that were expensive. All these things have one thing in common, they're, very expensive. Are you going to pay for that? Well, the regular thinking was: that's easy. You tax, the people. You've got the money right. I know that's wrong

the only way you pay for that is with a robust economy and the only economies that work are free market economies. That was my idea, and the idea was that, with that with a free market economy, you can then build a very powerful military and military intelligence, and now you create both civilian technology, military technology- and you become now something that people are interested in. You don't go and beg for countries to come and help you they come to you to help them, and that creates a third to the apex of the triangle which is the diplomatic flowering flourishing of islam. Some idea was fixed. The economy, get a strong military and get to the stronger diplomatic position that will get you peace, strength get to peace, not weakness. Well, that's easier said than done. First of all, it's not so easy said

Well, people didn't believe it. You know they basically believe. Well, you know we'll get to we'll solve our problem. If we make peace and if we need to make peace, we we have to make concessions that will make us weak you still with it? In other words, they believed that peace produces strength. I believed that strength produces peace. Special, our part of the world if you're out strong disappear. You devoured, so I had to effect a free market revolution. That's really what I did disposes. Prime minister and violence So you think I don't ask you exactly how you affected their revolution, because the origins of this, Israel, israelis, its foundations, is a socialist state and it still has a lot of carry over from that periods. Now, out of the hold ups in regulatory sphere,

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people with socialist views in Israel became a semi socialists have not fully socialist countries at war Maybe you know in the beginning to build roads to do the infrastructure. I don't Somebody could argue that you, you can have a state to it, but by the mid, sixteen hours, only congealing into a bad thing, with bureaucracy, taxes, unions, You know all the things that stunt growth and I always believed that I thought well. How do I change it to change it? Oh sure, so we have to believe it and understand it. and I had an economic so secretly got on its education, because I went to the business school at mit and then at the bottom consolingly planet at a pretty clear, idea what I wanted to do people in an associate with me, because I was the ambassador to the eu- and I say this but

In my memoirs, I described this transformation, but I grew up with a free market view. I grew up with the scepticism about socialism. I grew up with an appreciation from, father about the value of individual initiative and enterprise, so that the problem is that the country was here and I was there. How do you get it from here to there? Well, he was a crisis and that one, the Clinton ifor right never, A good crisis got away swell. I began that actually, ninety six, when I came in and the first thing that I then was unable as the currency foreign exchange currants, you know what that Israel, you couldn't take it more than a few thousand dollars. You'd have to get approval from the sun go back Guy wanted or get a news We remember those magazine kalulu, while they ask of ships

egyptian you dependent, as you had to go to the central bank. Get clearance for them As for newsweek subscription that place, there was a black market in a street here called them that that was used for flora, black marketing and when funds and I decided to break it when I got elected first time in ninety six, I said we're going to open up the currency market. He said, prime minister, you crazy, you know what in mexico, the pestle, collapsed. A mountain of money moved- and I said well, but I believe in this, so I did and you're on one hand it is a mountain of money, did move. But didn't, move out, then, because money, trade, investments they go to the free market, sir, not to the closed markets. That was the first instance.

but the real opportunity I got to change the economy was in two thousand and three. When I became finance minister, I lost the elections, care back to politics after a wonderful three years. I bet there are centers there are there. Are there are suggestions that you are putting the finance ministry specifically to fail? Yes, I was, but so what and they told me no and subscribed to some of my book by advisers. Many of them said to me. You know: Sharon was the prime minister of Israel, as in the deepest economic crisis in decades, and he offers me the finance and I'm the potential heir, and they said prime minister, take any ministry, Do not take the finance ministry because you won't be prime minister to which I answered, but why do I want to be prime minster be prime minister to affect my vision, which means a bit

strong, free market economy and to stop IRAN, which is something else that the other great then and to achieve peace, a real peace, peace based on strength. So at least one of my principal goals. I can achieve an event: it'll be prime minister swaddle achieve one of the goals that I did so I went into the finance minister found a huge crisis, huge enormous deficits at almost unemployment enormous and everything was back again. I thought were high. My done it am. I gonna take them from here to there. Israel didn't have a culture of lemonade, stands at a culture the army everybody wanted to the army. So when I thought of presented by economic plan to the public s about sick of vivid. an image from the army. Now, the first that I came to basic training and the paratroops nineteenth

seven. The company commander put us in a big line, then he said I'm gonna, take a race, but it's a special galleries so unit any up points to make. That's the guy! You write put him on your shoulders and the next guy, but the guide to his wife and his shoulders, and then he blew the whistle ida guy about my size, heavy bennydeck, a few steps. The guy next to me was a small company yeah, the biggest on his shoulders, any collapse and the third guy big guy with a superlatively small guy and his orders. He took off like a rocket and wonder race I said to the israeli public all Billy economies are pairs of a public

after sitting on the shoulders of a private sector. In our case, the public sector got too fat and were about to collapse like the little guy next to me, so we have to put the fat man. It was called fat man. Then the taxicab drivers talked about it as well like the butt of jokes. It was funny that the we have to put the fat man the public sector on a strict diet. We have to give oxygen to the guy at the bottom and we have to remove the obstacles way. As what is oxygen, I said oxygen. Well, it's many things, but for the first three or lower taxes, lower taxes, lower taxes, because that's what makes people run the race, ok But even if you had a trimmed down public sector, which is very hard to do, political because you cutting public spending is fair and you have the lower tax. Below the guy begins to run its a ditch, crosses the ditch. It's all crossing the wall hits offence, fence barriers to competition,

and it could be, benefits could be over. Regulation could be made monopolies open monopolies, so I presume to adopt about sixty seventy major reforms, simultaneous to change that and we went from one percent contraction of gdp to plus five growth. Five percent growth in and stay that way for a good deck and let the foundation and moving that you're saying this explosive growth. In the sooner it was hard, I lost a bullet When my advisers will write the paper. If I didn't have a chance to become prime minister, I went down in my votes, but eventually the people who appreciated what I did and this one's a changed country. There are more, you had to put a meeting here. Thousands of people came Other free marketeers, thou well twenty years ago. They want to know what went when you talk about the transformation how it all starts with the economic strength of

the state of Israel. You can see that also in the abraham accords. Obviously it's the economic might of the state of Israel combined with it's military. Might that leads all of the sunni arab nations to to realize that there's common interests you mentioned that diplomacy is common in and not necessarily help. Seeing eye on every matter is more about the where the, where the car reality lies a you're, obviously the architect of the and of course one of the architects of the abrahamic cords, along with the peace partners, is that that is the the biggest shift in an israeli foreign policy, since at least the the peace with egypt. So maybe can explain how that came about. Well, you wrote that it had two driving foods. Obviously the arab would benefit from Israel to consolidate the explosion of innovation and enterprise free enterprise. Did you see her but good? You know for water, it's good, for you, seven issued its good for for the whole digital world. It's good from medicine is good for everything everything's done here, and there

I think of it, but that wouldn't be enough. The reason they came is because they were afraid of IRAN. and when I went to the congress in two thousand and fifteen, before a joint session of congress, a joint meeting of congress that I spoke there and challenged president obama's espousal of the dangerous, a deal that would effectively pavey ron's way to a nuclear arsenal with gold. I went against the what the so called jcpoa the nuke, the agreement with IRAN that got their attention in a big way and we began to have secret meetings to come. The only is worrying and hundreds of thousands of israelis the gulf and I'm the only one who didn't see it and data super, so we had these meetings and they were. They knew that

could rely on me on my government that I lead that we would do everything in our power to stop iran from having a nuclear weapons because everyone gets nuclear weapons. You know it's not merely aimed at our destruction its aimed at their destruction But you did I'd states because their developing icy be aims at could reach any city in the nonsense and start a good eye. to have these in know, islamic fundamentalist fanatics, the sir plug accuracy, you know, have these nuclear weapons and the ability to threaten american cities so but americans, I saw that they saw that way and they rely on us to do so. That began the process of fine art relations with him in a big way. Not yet But I ask, for example, just before they abram records. I asked the I got the saudis to allow

flights, israel over saudi airspace were well before they abram records, is part and parcel of this rapprochement. This joining of interests that happened between Israel and the gulf states. Now, when tromp was elected, The two thousand and sixteen member I was in congress speaking against obama's nuclear deal in two thousand and fifty now trump gets elected president. So I came to him and I said you know we have for peace treaties. Waiting to be picked like that, and I suggested to describe, as in my book I said, one should bring an aircraft carrier, Leah, red, safe. I remember that roosevelt will broad, even sewed, to it it can destroyed, or what was a beginner after an invite me, and

the leaders, saudi arabia, the emirates in bahrain, and we can get, of course, Egypt and Jordan for a summit. And the summit should be to deal with iran, but that would produce. I said for peace treaties. I said there are other countries I was thinking of. Morocco is thinking of sudan. I was only think, and I didn't get very far. I think, I think the president. The time was consumed with the idea of bartering, an israeli palestinian peace, the art of the deal and as hard as I try to try to explain. Look, they don't want peace, they they they don't want a state next to us or they want to stay instead of so we can waste a lot of time trying to get them or we can have these pistrians, like that, while it took about three years for that realisation to sink in and I'm glad I did because the help of the american administration and tromp was,

essential for that. But I think we could have already had peace with saudi arabia and if I am re elected now, I'm going to have peace with saudi when they trust me. They trust me to give the the the bulwark against IRAN and if we have peace with saudi arabia effectively in the arab israeli conflict is over. Yes, we don't have yemen. Yes, we don't have iraq, Syria, that's not important, My dad was that everybody said you have to have peace with the palestinians to get peace with the arab world, and my idea was the exact opposite. the god of the arab world, leave the palestinians today. They'll come round, but don't let that dominate the tale. Wag. The I saw the second one: ask you about that potential peace with saudi arabia and and what they look like, as they clearly are interested in begging nor any normalizing relations with the state of his writing that there will be peace for the way in bahrain of etc. They hadn't signed off

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action under the deal that we worked out with trump had to say we would actually the middle. We agreed to the the trump peace plan. We would be able to apply israeli law or an extra euro language or thirty percent. The critical thirty percent of judaism error, regardless of whether the Palestinians agreed or not, that didn't quite materialize yet, but that was the actual deal that we worked up. Now you ask the question about what would require what would be required to make peace with saudi arabia, strong, israeli government that faces IRAN? That is not just saying you know a lip service that were there against the agreement, because eighty percent of the the currency, does the ribbon so, but really to fight it out. Go to the un, go gonna congress,

every possible form, and then, of course, do the things against IRAN's nuclear programme no paper and we did many things. I can't talk about it, but I can say that we sent I sent them aside into the heart of tehran to pluck the secret a guy that iran had and they body bag. You seen argo. This film are limited. is our go on steroids. You know they took it. The iranians are chasing them they're. Moving to the next place you know I almost fell ill, they almost real. They and we got out the broad half a ton of documentation and we can, proved to the world iran at two thousand and three what the mission was in these files, bent five atomic bombs hiroshima stuff Bombs in two thousand three that's twenty years, so Iraq yeah everybody understands that iran is going to do

and they'll do with an agreement without an agreement, the only them we'll stop them. A credible military threat couple with group exemptions. Would gripping sanctions are not enough. credible military threat and if the threat doesn't work, if they're not deterred, then you have to act. The arab countries, the arbitrators trust me to do that. They do not trust the current government That's the foundation of the peace. They're not gonna make peace unless they believe. and then everything else follows, and I think I think there are many other but that's the most important men. Ironically, it it seems though the obama administration or a full scale embrace of iran deal led the abraham accords in ohio, because he'll bye, bye, centrally, mobilizing on behalf of the enemies of of Israel as well as the sunni arab states, it forced everybody into this. This coalition against against IRAN. Menial administration was obviously so antipathetic sort you personally, but also towards the stated

Israel. More generally, I in aids that that I was that must have been a very difficult relationship to navigate, wasn't the But but we did and again you do that from a position of strength. You do that by appealing to marcus down a closed country, mac has not tried you. Can you can't appeal to chinese public opinion because he kept there's no way to do it, but you can appeal to the american people. You can talk to them. You can say that what is bad for us is also bad for you, if, as if we've got, IRAN gets nuclear weapons and the intercontinental ballistic missiles to deliver them to any place in america. That is a clear and present danger to the security of the united states. You can see what I'm talking about. There is a small country that has five percent gdp. Maybe ten percent of the

well, even though it's population is much bigger, it's called north korea. North korea develops nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles. Half of asia is quaking in fear, everybody's threatened. Japan is threatened and it's just a question of time. I don't think it's a lot of time. The modi reached a dick and we shall see angeles they can reach it. That changes the world now's. North korea is five percent of iran, five percent we want you to be so, if IRAN, with its ideology, with its death to amend the ideology you know that america is the great satan where the small satan I often do in a book funded. My european friends, I said, are middle sized, said but not with it, you can be small- can be big, but it with the decisive, but that's what they talk about That's my! U dont want that government that regime this these thugs there are to have the means to the mass death

They can threaten the entire world on a to which they are absolutely committed to fight. I could get through I could get through, but I could get through to the american people I can get through to their represent. And gangs- and you it's not something then and again I read about this- it's not something that I did like that haphazard lou jenna, with slain about to go into the lines into the american congress. To go there and challenges a sitting. President is a very difficult decision, because America, it's still indispensable ally does make a difference if its democratic, republicans, silly indispensable ally for us. Going challenged the american president is not something I would likely do. I did it because I thought that my country's very existence was imperil that I had to charge.

Then, if I didn't speak out, never forgive myself. What am I here for what to sit on a chair to earn money? I'm a joke! you go there, because this is my mission to protect the future result, and so I went there and it was always a tough thing, but it kept, the aim of the resistance to the nuclear deal alive, because Nobody's gonna defend you if you're not willing to defend yourself and that obviously change when the administration change- and I was very happy that that change took place under the trumpet So looking at iran and sort of the long term future foreign. What do you see as the optimistic the body for iran, because obviously the theocratic charge there have solidified control over the military, their spreading their tentacles two significant conventional threats to this visual, including hezbollah, which is armed with a hundred fifty thousand rockets farmer sophisticated anything that Hamas have been hearing it at at israeli cities. Their funding, Hamas, obviously

so what do you see us as a long term solution for iran? Bees obviously advocates of the jesse p a way or of eyes. J c p o claim that, in the absence of an agreement that fleet iranian iranian extremism plus nuclear weapons is inevitable, notes the opposite its iran, without the new agreement that never dreaming Mary says it into three years: iran, we'll have unlimited enrichment capacity of uranium, which means that they can create the the nuclear core four hundred nuclear bombs and arsenal and that's under the agreement. You agreed to that's what the agreement says so and you give them mega bucks to boot, so iraq without the nuclear agreement is an isolated country, a poor country in a country that could be subject to military attack by the signatories. Ok, iran with a nuclear women is, about rich country debts, hundreds of billions of dollars because of this agreement,

x out of its international isolation and itself its? the country that doesn't really fear any military action from the united states. That's what means that's! What the new to me meant it just gives them immunity in prosperity while their developing a bomb by nuclear arsenal two years, so you should scientists in order to. But you have to have the willingness to act militarily against IRAN's nuclear programme and nuclear installations. That's what I have I did. It start something that I and other more things to do. We have the capacity to do it. The answer is yes, we do we have, well to do it. I have the will to do it. My colleagues have the will to do it with me, and I think this is those the big test. We have to stop iran by the way. If you have that capacity you won't have to use it in a liking, but if you don't have the will it's been so I think that's

another question is all right, but how does IRAN change? Will he won't change? While these regimes, like IRAN or north korea, it's on the basically they killed her upon it. Now they are governed by killing people. You know the reason the shot fell. because he was willing to kill thousands of people. It's not only, Jimmy Carter and all the stuff to do it. Because he was willing the girl. What these guys discovered is that if you kill nobody Nobody intervenes. you can see that in many places, ok so and are willing to kill their go baby, a thousand two thousand people a year and that's enough to get the point How will it change internally. they control information that control the killing machines. You could possibly decontrolled information. I think that's important with new technologies with low flying satellites with devices

the size of a matchbook that are distributed elsewhere, you might break their old, their monopoly and information that begins to challenge ended but you know there are many other things that I could talk about, but I will so in a second. I want to ask you about the sum of the other threats that I briefly mention there to the state of Israel range from the northern border with hezbollah to the Gaza ribbon and the continuing threat surfaces injured it's a maria by the PA. First, we need to talk about how you upgrade your company, so there are a lot of things that you want to do during the summer. You want to free up as much time as possible to enjoy those, if you're a business owner. The last thing you want to do is sort through tons of unqualified candidate resumes when you can finally be you know doing the vacation that you've wanted to do. That's why you need ziprecruiter to find great candidates for you. They do the work for you, and now you can try it for free at ziprecruiter, dot, com, slash Ben guest ziprecruiter uses it's powerful tech

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as for what will get to that in a little while under, but either I said then that america could learn from Israel is that Israel has a certain level of so solidarity between but who just where nearly everything else it just doesn't exist in the united states, and the easiest way to see that is is the demographic trends in the state of Israel, tel Aviv, which is a very secular city. The reproduction right here is two point: three, the reproduction rate incidents maris four point: six through production rate in the high foes waiting for your looking at the reduction rate in europe, is the minus one exist unless they that's exactly right. So I mean this is the only western country, literally the only one that has a reproduction rate above replacement averages, and that is that the strengthens if Israel, at the same time, that might be because it does face existential threat on on our borders and until you are forced into a certain level of social solidarity What do you think of that? An end? You think that Israel almost requires as the irish people.

I really have a certain level of outside threat in order to reach social solidarity, but whether we required or not we're getting, we can trust what'll happen and I'd like to be tested in a country that is not threatened from day one with the its survival with it's existence, so yes, I think that is a. I think it's our history too. It's our bond to this land. It's the fact that we, that a third of our people were incinerated. Just a few Kids- and I think that we resolve the wars of israel. You know people have children, We have four of their hope, not no longer living in a situation where you have. You know labour intensive economies. You have to have ten kids in the donor living at the opposite end. Yet people In Israel, in the prosperous israel, Israel sort of beating the equation, because if you are We still have a lot of kids, but it is will your passports and you have a lot of kids and that strengthens our

economy even more that sir, so yes, I think the history, the experience that we have the the life athos that we have in the jewish people come back to life. Jewish people come back to life and the state of Israel. So it sort of gives, as I said, hope to I think, to all people everywhere that you can do this, and I think that that's where it's going to continue. I don't think it's a short term thing. There is a pulsating life force here. How do we How do we manage the various sir the solidarity. While the first thing is how free markets, because free markets give you two things they give. You can the growth they allow the realisation person potential, but Also give me the money. They give you the money on a smaller tax with arguments. Women I said you know you're we're going to lower tax rates and we're going to have bigger revenues. This is not that kind, yes, it haven't you heard of the the laffer urban, they said lawford,

this love or no, they are not used to say that there is one or to let you know what a non jewish comes after allow for fuel of taxation and new, lower tax rates. You know you get more tax. Revenues are that's easily demonstrable. And where the very high tax rates when you do that, you also get you fill up the government conference. On the one hand, it'll promote business initiative, enterprise, employment. On the other hand, you get the money to help the poor, the needy, especially the the handicap, the old people who can be in the job market and so on. So, there is no conflict between social welfare and free markets. The absolutely complementary- and in fact I would say that social welfare depends on free markets and that's where we installed. If we change that creates a measure of solidarity, doesn't allow the bifurcation of society that happens in so many other places where you dont have freely.

It's that one side is really by forget centres of the core threats. Hezbollah is it is a threat that pretty much everybody in the world media ignores until the occasional timer philosophers firing thousands of rockets over the border simultaneously. I this is one of the things that people in northern Iraq particularly are significantly worried about israel has iron dome, but the question is its extraordinarily save to operate iron dome every one of those antimissile missiles. Essentially I is, is very expensive. Hezbollah has extraordinary numbers of rocket. So what exactly is the plan for? Has the lab we speaking while another item on ebay- and I can ask you too loud military goods not on the first day, not public, but I can say this. I showed no present trump snow. The map of all these, besides embedded against Israel embedded in

the you know in civilian, neighborhoods and hospitals, and so on sealing his move. Boom rocket comes out, you know, and he said well god. How do you sleep at night and I said to him donald I sleep at night by making sure they don't sleep and that's basically it is it's a it's both defense, but also of its, and I really wouldn't get into that, but apparently they think their concern with that, because they're very careful and of course we we will support surprise, is a key element in war, which I hope you don't have to find. Some speaking of threats on the border obviously come ass. They pull out from Gaza turns out to be by pretty much every measure a rather large scale disaster. Considering that from us immediately takes over the place me leave, use it as a base with which to launch attacks, hinted

mainland of Israel like all the way to you all the way to Jerusalem and in some of the last rocket attacks and so yeah what what what can be done with Hamas, because the the reality is that we're Hamas to be toppled, which the israeli military clearly has the power to do, were that to happen, there's a good shot that isis would take over. So what happens with a radicalize and also you'd have to take over because there's no one else to take over so we'd have to manage the other two million palestinians and that'll be a dream vs the other front, so we have like IRAN and hezbollah and so on. So I think event what you do periodically as you restore deterrence powerfully. We just did that a year ago, right before I left office, we destroyed they. They built a aerial capacity. We destroy that they built a naval capacity, we destroyed it, they built the a tunnel system to penetrate israel. We built an underground wall when sensors, not one tunnel cross. They built a tunnel network to her

under all of gaza is defensive tongue. First time in history, we penetrated that and the from the time of the babylonians people have been digging tunnels both for a tax id for defense and open. It really was able to identify it and in it from the outside without sending people inside, and we did so that we sent them back good, good, good, distance and you keeps the peace, but you're not gonna get the ultimate peace as long as you have militant unless they are all committed to our destruction. Okay, that's just not going to happen, so you have to create a wise policy, and my life has been committed to deterring those who around us, deterring those who wish to destroys were all in the back and making peace with those who, don't that's biscuit the division. To make a division the emirates want to have. The birth rate is one I have been with you, I believe the saudi arabia, saudi arabia. One step is with us. We ve already made

he's with Egypt and Jordan, make peace with I don't want to destroy you and roll those who do Hamas wants to destroy as unfortunately the palestinian authority, the on the other wing of their of the palestinian people. They are not committed to there. They're committed not to destroying Israel with terror can you stand in the first instance, but for the gradual dissolution of the jewish state? So that's why we kept. Faced with that, we got big business because they don't want. It is what they want to peace without as well, you divide your policies based on what can realistically be achieved. In my view, is that with those I dont want to destroy and those who do want instrument you have to have. You have to be very, very strong. If you're strong, you were have at least a state of non belligerence with their people with their movements like Hamas and if you're strong, you can make peace with those who are willing to make peace

and that's what we ve done. That's what the Abram accordance it's a change to a complete change of all of the view that says no, you have to you have to give the palestinians wished to see the end of his will, give them they hills above TEL Aviv. They can see the sea into which they want to push us and the man. It's crazy, but that was the rebel group, its change. You know this country's different What you saw twenty years- and it still the skyline agenda, we must offer you ve got free markets, we marketeers all over the place you ve got you ve got. This is something's william shocking that we have they just published in one of these business magazines. The When's concentration of billionaires per capita in the world number one was on kong. I suspect that got to change and to Israel twenty years ago. That was

in the case. But since then you had this multiplication of high tech, entrepreneurs and so on, and the the other thing that people will tell you. You know critics on the left, they'll say yeah. But inequality went up. You know it's it's got, which are the poor got bore, no actual needs the opposite, because we changed the welfare laws here and so on and people went to work, the poor get richer and in fact, the up the inequality in Israel. Initially went up as we did on market reforms and then went down down down down down instead of twenty or low. so is what became a very rich country and a more egalitarian. Without telling competition without curtailing their enterprise. The opposite: free markets and social welfare go together with the right policies. That was my pulse so when it comes to the palestinian authority

indian and the the oslo accord, so very early on you're, obviously a critic of the oslo accords. I think the failure of oslo has been demonstrated over the course of the last met most of my lifetime over the course of the last yeah. Exactly I mean I was only. I was only I think eleven, but ten eleven when, when the oslo accords were signed, the the failure of the oslo accords is is pretty apparent to everyone, given the fact that the so called peace partners, just don't exist and probably never existed and were were sort of a figment of the collective imagination of many people on the israeli left. So given that fact in the fact that the geography of israel for people never visited everything in Israel is extraordinarily close together a malaise essentially with an island of jerusalem, though, is there any plausible? long term mid from solution job that's actually developed in the in the plan that we discuss with the present trump, and I think it's a realistic one. It basically says this.

The palestinians in the palestinian areas can govern themselves together can have their parliamentary representatives their executive. other flag and they can have their national anthem, but there's a sovereign powers that canada rule is simple. They can have all the powers to go themselves and none of the powers to threaten us now. That means that, for in the tiny air and you're right. It's a tiny era, Israel and the palestinian areas, together as the Boston, washington, beltway, more or less. Ok. Let's look at the tiny country, okay, tidy area- so west of the Jordan river, which is the boundary line until at the bank, Raymond were both sandwich in Israel and Israel alone controls security we control the airspace we can all the ground, the ground security the grounds are good and because they want to do tunnels and electromagnetic space. You name is william what I said.

Over the years. I said when people talk about the vision for peace. I said. there are some sovereign powers, the most important being security, we control, and so my friends, including some run the united states, to me, but baby, that's not a sovereign country. I said maybe so, but that's what he's gonna be there, because we're not going to commit suicide for and I'll bet, favourable up at the new york times. It won't last long in five minutes anyway, when I'm gonna die for an illusory bennet. Now some of my american colleagues, whose example secretary of state to John Kerry, my son said in a we can take care of them. We can make so you can withdraw your security forces from Julius America the west bank, as they call me those we will train the local, the local love

the palestinian forces to fight the islamic radicals. John Kerry bought general Alan John Alan to show me a plan how this can be done I was sitting there with our then defence minister, and they explained it, and I thought we were skeptical naturally and so John, who was been a close friend by the way he said. Well, maybe I can prove, to that. We can do. I want to take you on a clandestine visit to Afghanistan, and you will see how we train the afghan forces to deal with the taliban- and I said John again this. The minute you leave began as it will take at most days, no more than it is for that I have been to sweep all these american trained forces that you have and we're not going to take. That was weird. I'd: go to withdraw,

military from judaism area have, however, one. Is the iranians hamas take over and destroyed the state of Israel so the real peace that we could have is let them have all I to govern themselves, but none of the powers to threaten us security first before anything else stays thus by the way not only for us is for them because the Hamas would overtake the palestinian authority in two seconds, which is what and when we left Gaza, when I gotta do that, it's not a perfect peace, but it's the most. The best thing that you can have. so when I asked you about another threat that Israel faces. This is obvious. There was an issue that can I missed. The radar in a lot of the west pose a huge issue here in his that was, is really arabs being radicalizing us have you right in low during the last crisis, with some aspects that in just one moment first, you ve heard made about communism jfk conspiracies other disputed topics, but I have not yet done

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use my code, Shapiro get thirty bucks off your box of steakhouse quality cuts, plus free shipping change the way you think about me and the way by it, your purchase not only strengthens american farms. It also supports what we do here at the daily wear, because the folks at the branches they're on your side go to good renters dot com. Slash Shapiro today, debunk store bought meat with me. So let's talk about the one of the key issues that cropped up for the domestic israeli population, all israelis- and that is the problem radicalization of the air population inside of Israel. So during this last coal in government, which lasted approximately a year as frankly, shocked that a lasted that long they need the big kind of pitch to the world is that there is an arab That was part of the coalition, the wrong parting and then, of course, party refused to vote in favour of the consumer. apple application of military rule to jewish settlements, so called settlements in the west bank was like a further thirty thousand citizen I and the coalition government fell based on that, and that there has been a lot of talk for a long time in the west about the treatment of arabs inside of Israel. The fact is that, obviously no party did said income. There is

our party's actually does that there is one those member the coalition, but the radicalization of these really are a population is of increasing concern during the last gaza, I think one of the biggest problems was this massive right that happened in load in which there are literally is really. I was walking round attempting to burn synagogues. What can be done to take to fight this mean? I mean? Listen, I'm a relative stranger israel's, as have only visited her four times, but you can sense that there is a mass of difference between the israeli air portions of jerusalem, for example, and the users of jerusalem. If I'm walking around in manila there, many israeli airport- walking around unmolested if our to walk with my family. Where lay yamaha down to damascus. It would be a serious security problem. So so, how exactly is that gap renewable? Well, first of all, correction, the wrong party say was a against the night of the you mentioned the wrong parties, the muslim brotherhood party, governing council assure a council that is other muslim brotherhood. Ok,

and the muslim brotherhood supports Hamas. and in many other radical, were in their new countries in the middle east, with the exception of turkey in qatar, all the outcome- this ban the muslim bother. What happened in the last government in order to eke out a majority that got the government that promise not to do this. The people who came into parts promised that they would go with the muslim brotherhood and they promptly violated that prompts and brought them into the the government, which is unbelievable because their against the jewish state their against Israel. As a joyous, this nation state of the jewish people, that's their professed ideology. Sometimes they deliberate in the sub spoken manner, but they gave him tons of money. Fifty billion shackles, an enormous amount of money, some of it going through ngos that are associated with Hamas. It's insane. This was, violation, and not only

campaign promises, but just a common sense. You can't do that and that obviously raised expectations of the more radical wing in the israeli army population and that express itself in these and in many manifestations that but but there's no question: there is a race in the middle east as a whole. The race inside Israel between one I call on the modernist and the medieval this look at them. We want to take you back to militant islam to really a dark period and israel. World and the moderns want to corporate In the modern state of Israel, due to partake of the extra if very success? The juicy around you and they have doctors they. nurses therefore pharmacologists there I didn't open. they want to be there the other guys, they back, ok and does. The state of Israel or destroyed. And we have to make sure that the modernist went out over the

the medieval is my government should be supposed to no good an enormous amount of money, and I wasn't doing it for I did because I believe in this, in helping the right side of this battle, enormous amount of money about thirty twenty five billion dollars tabling jackals. Ok, but I gave it not to ngos the muslim jews I roads and infrastructure in education and the communities and I'm really good guy but we'd, be surprised. I received the about ten percent of the arable Okay! Actually, today and the recent polls I received, the lie could under me received more arab votes than all the jewish parties together? Okay, why? Because many of them want to be a part of this modernization and this success story and I think if you ask me what is the answer to that, I think

beefing up. Security against the radicals and against the against lawbreakers is important, but equally important is what're, you gonna, move them in to help as much as you can give them enterprise opportunity, education law and order that they want in their communities and that's that that I began in the programme that god willing or continue when I get it it's over battle, but it's the same values in the Middle EAST. is iran in Iraq and in syria and in yemen, as opposed to what is happening in the gulf. Look at what happened in the gulf look at what happened there. I mean it's a fantastic example of Of enterprise and initiative it just the whole way people think about the arab world, the world, has to go there and not not to yemen. Ok, and is really arabs have to go to hear

what you see around you and not to yemen. So I want to ask you some questions about the state of the west. More broad. Because, obviously Israel is a key player in the west in many ways. The tipp of the sphere in a very unfriendly place in the world, but it seems like the international left. It is obviously increasingly anti Israel, I'm not just in america, which are generally speaking, whether its jeremy carbon in the late that Only the head of labour party in the uk or in multiple parties across the across europe. It seems though, a lot of the ire against Israel is not directed against Israel per se. Its directed against national was more broadly. The idea that there should be a nation is part of a nation state which I think under as a lot of the rage about the fact that Israel passed a nation state law recognizing that Israel as a jewish state, which is what it always said that then it was with equal rights to everyone, dont use. Don't you think you know what the nation state, the jewish state means

that any jew can come to his will automatically. That's all that's really the main thing. That means why? Because for thousands of years or almost two thousand years, a little less, we were absolutely stateless and country less than we paid the biggest price that any people paid in the history of mankind or humanity. We say today: okay, on the soap you also, if you are a jew and you're, he you don't have a place to go. You can come to us or that's what the nation state needs inside everyone's Everyone is saying no, no differences. equal under the law? So what? When, when you talk about their the jewish state, only placed by the way where the joint equality under the law, because the western democracies people condemned Israel as an apartheid said. What are you talking about, if your christian or your sexual or your woman and the societies in the palestinian areas. You live in medieval times. you know in Hamas. People go to support from us, comas executes people who did,

from the no from the strict rule that day, was included the tyrannical. What are you talking about was the beacon of democracy, attacked defending itself. Maintaining democracy inside the rule of law, equality. What are these people- people mad, and the answer is quite right. The climate It's so obvious, and you know the stands at best. The aps. The arabs understand the arabs around it. You know I've found clubs in the emeralds and in saudi arabia, walk about that's interesting because they understand it. They want a better life. It is fascinating. How Israel's becomes out of the point of contention here is another stand on earth where people actually have a conversation that whether or not to exist or not, Israel seems to be the only one and in terms of sir, but what people will accuse Israel of of ethnic solidarity despite the fact that again, jews are quite devil,

as many of ethiopian jews moroccan jews. Like my wife, though some as sub some apartheid, I bought tens of thousands of. I personally bought tens of of a black, for ethiopia to Israel. Evidence dolphin isn't is ridiculous, but but if you we? What is the genesis of the of the progressive line? It's antipathy to Israel, it's their antipathy to certain western values that we hold dear. You talk about nationalism, which by itself is not negative and quite positive will help build. You know. Communities our families, bad, I families bad. You think families about what you have paid them You prefer your children to other children at a bad, Well, we know human mean societies organised around families. Families organised around nation states and the nation states, like families can cooperate with one another or unfortunate,

yeah, because human nature is not uniform their bad people with their bad asian. While you have to fight the bad and promote the good, writes that conception of how we organise the world is very different in the progressive left. I think in many ways they hit Israel because the animal fat If you had a merging on ahead as well. If you love, you're gonna like as well. and you know who believes that the islamists I mean what does he want say it says when data guess what they say. We are you. We are you that means americans israelis are americans and americans and americans in broadway the right. This is this. the values of freedom, democracy of individual choice over pluralism, these ideas are things that are completely anathema to to them. They want this regimented mediaeval world and in a peculiar way. the association of the medieval us and

it in the west to other partners. The progressives join these whistler islamic radicals in attacking anything that, sir, these values, but also anything, that's western square. So Second, I want to ask you a few final questions, particularly about your brand new memoir, which is coming out, which is really exciting, and ask about that. I want to ask you also about what do you mean? in a jewish state, how much in religion play into the governance and and and that sort of thing, if you want to the prime minister's answers. You have to be a daily wire member head on over to daily wire dot com. Slash sunday, you can click that link in the episode description, use code, baton for twenty five percent off here, the rest of our conversation over there well before we talk about that, I just want to say that with the midst of the global crisis, global economic crisis- and I think that the advantage that we have in israel- it's a small country- she can be a nimble mammal that the dinosaurs and you can win

We ve out of cotton conflict, get used to extricate itself from the economic crisis very quickly in the two thousand and three, when we had in the aftermath of the dotcom collapse. I made this huge programme that I talk to you about fat man than man. These, any so or more m reforms that god is, will first up and produced a spectacular. The two thousand and eight nine. When I came in, we had the subprime global crisis, how you doin, You know what I did there, actually the opposite, because banks were conservative and we want we want in at risk, and I decided to instead of bailing out companies and right as it were, be building up fell companies. Why should I do that? so I went on a much more modest way: gave loan guarantees very measured, so if your felling companies and get the benefits

I the incentive to continue to fail, and we gotta that one first in the world then into twenty one. We had the covert crisis, it wasn't only a health crisis which we also got first in the world? But it was an economic crisis that we had very cheap credit. So I gave a lot of companies that didn't feel that we're just hit by covered did them out, and I think that there is a way to deal with the global inflation problem. In a way that Israel, uniquely is able to do an uncle well for my electrical well, that is prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu. check out his brand new memoir bb is not out yet when it is it's going to be a must. Buy prime minister ministers an honor to sit with your back to the doctor The bench a bureau shows sunday specially produce bananas, weber, executive, producer, Jeremy, boring rupture manager, random maguire associate produce

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