God can use this to get our attention as the world, not just a nation but the world, to look to him and to put our faith in trust in him. A large twentieth ITALY had only seven thousand covert nineteen cases with over four thousand deaths. More than half of those came from the Lombardy region, where the town of Cremona is located outside of MILAN. That's the days American first came to Cremona Samaritan persons unknown denominational, evangelical, christian organisations providing spiritual. Physical aid to hurting people around the world. In thirty six hours Samaritans purse had a sixty eight bed field. Hospital set up in the Cremona Hospital parking lot aiding the corona virus relate then April first they also set up a field hospital in the middle of central park in New York City, the epicenter of the cuban nineteen outbreak in the United States, my guest today, is Franklin Grab, president and seal Samaritans birth and the sort of work Missy, then Billy Ground was considered.

One of the most influential christian leaders of all time. Carrying on that legacy. Franklin has become a christian leader in his own right meeting privately with five years: students and world leaders from Europe. Africa. In Latin America as well. Spawning to global crises and over one hundred countries Bruce Americans birth is also the prison and zeal of the Billy Gram, Evangelist Association on this Easter Sunday. We talk about the inspiring stories of hope from the corona virus Pandemic, Franklin's thoughts on how the Trump presidency has been going, his father's legacy and the age old question of why bad things, happened at the people, Franklin Grand thanks so much. Or stopping by the Shapiro, Show Sunday Special so I have a lot I want to get too with you, discuss your father's legacy and where you stand on, president trouble talk politics, but obviously we have to start with Croatia? With regard to corner virus? First, how's your family dealing with with all

I'll bet, you're doing. Ok, we're all doing fine, we're just stop doing the work. Goddess called us to ban, we don't slow down, we just keep going. Why definitely appreciate working when we get to that in just a second, I want to ask you that there's a lot of religious people in the United States. You right now are deeply troubled by all of the calls state local governments to shut down churches and their people who work here, a daily wire who have been upset that the gun and his team churches not essential for purposes of of shutting them down and shutting down mass gatherings right now, as as a religious person. What what's your point, demand on the government telling people to stay home from church. What you think Christians ought to. Germany were approaching Easter season. First of all, I think we need to obey those that an authority, that's what the Bible, teachers, and so I think, is very important. We do that the churches are not shut down. I think more people are attending online services, then they do,

when you are making them person. Ah, there's something about this virus that is but fear and anxiety people's hearts. So I think just poor people are online and their there of their participate in that way. So the churches needs to continue to be the church, but I just Encourage? Pastures across the country to obey those that are not authority, and I think that's what they congregations would expect, to the game, and I, as an orthodox you myself, I've been encouraging people to do so from synagogue, which has been a tall order in some sectors in, and it seems to me that actually is it's a fairly large scale, desecration of God's name when there's video and and pictures of people going on mass to to religious. Petitions in violation of government edicts, specifically designed to prevent massive loss of life we do have to be careful about, because this is a very infectious and is a deadly virus. Us

sure, those that have underlined health issues. This could be a death sentence, and so we just have to be extremely careful, but I dont think that, should we should stop doing the work that God is called us to do, but we do need to be careful. I think practising law, social distancing. These types of things it was wise report has merited purse where workers. My people are working from home. Others still come to this central people have to come to the office, so we're on we're still working when we're not Tom. We haven't, I missed anything. We just have to work differently that were used to doing so. Suddenly, things: that's Americans purses doing around the around train around the globe in order to combat corollaries. It really is an amazing organization way it has been doing in order to help people is truly incredible. What are some of the things that Samaritans purse Been doing not only in the United States, but abroad well looks fell three weeks ago we some emergency field, hospital

Acromona Cremona, Northern northern ITALY else out of MILAN Buffet Amazon MILAN. This epicenter for the car virus in ITALY and without sixty bet, field, well we're working in conjunction with the local hospital, but we have about around seven data personnel there right now that are these doctors and nurses missions that are working in that a hospital trying to save life in northern ITALY. That thought that that is a very important place for us to be here, because the Italians we're not getting any assistance from anyone in the world, and I think when we showed up it gave them I gave him a ray of hope that somebody's listening somebody cares and they are here help in us as well, of course, as a christian or nation, then we always saw feel that we should respond and Jesus name. That's what we do and Christians. We want people to know another God loves them, the God hasn't forgotten them. He hasn't turned his back on them.

And then just last week. We got a call from New York City asking if we'd be wanted to put a hospital there, and we boys keep to hospitals in and stuff, in our warehouse on these are the same hospitals at: U S, military, basically, the same that? U S military uses a. We have military former military doctors at work, or so we go to the same then where's add way by the same hospitals that? U S military, does we we make them a little different for our applications, but they have operated theatres of intensive carry on as they have. Tori. They were able to do the sterilizations everything that of hospital would do all we can do it, but for the Krona virus says for respiratory, so We don't need operating theatres for the respiratory care, so we we mix it up a little bit differently. We bring in course: more bene, lighters than you would normally and that's what we ve got set up and corona. And then now in New York City I, when they were ass, a slave.

Weak dollar. We set up a set of team up there. Over the weekend, we were given a central park right some men Sinai Hospital these metals, ESA, ninety eight and fifth avenue- and so we have set up an actual the last three days we were put in the hospital together today we It offers patients if they believe that will be for maybe before then day. I don't know, but are to serve the people of New York. Anyone who comes to who didn't matter who they are Ben, we're going to help them we're going to love them, we're going to care for them and we're going to give them the best medical care that we possibly can we're not going to give anything less ass? I read an article of maybe you ready to about a person. There are New York who lost a loved one in the hospital in this than the wife was destroyed because she could not be in the hospital with her husband S. He died ass though she said he stay died alone,

How sad and how much more so she had said to her husband died alone. Will I don't, I hope, and pray? No one dies in a hospital, but if they, I can promise you been they're, not gonna die alone. Our doctors and nurses will surround them. They pray for hold on hold on their hand, though they take the last breath- and I just want of all relatives- know if they come to our house, but we'll take care of him and we're our show them compassion and love the same that the Lord Jesus Christ. Would I mean, one of the things that that's amazed me is not only that the good work that you guys are doing, but but also some of the reactions, and I could work so naturally, twitter, which is just a story of stupidity known to man and then their theirs, a bit of an issue today and over the last few days about Samaritans behind the hospital people in New York shocked to learn some. Some radicals in Europe shocked to learn that Samaritans persons- a christian organisation that has a christian view of of particular biblical edicts, including the fact that Samaritans personally that homosexual activity is a sin and somehow they were dressing that this invalidate Samaritans purse doing their work

York. I just love for you to clarify the Tibetans. Purse is not in fact telling people who gay, lesbian, transgender. They can't show up to the hospital, they have grown a virus, no everybody's welcome, Minafer, gazed, transgender person shop, a hospital would show them the same lava compassion and give them the same World class health care that we give to anybody else comes out, but we are, Christians are where we are not equal opportunity. Employer we're not. We don't do that on the day. The doctors and nurses are we're all Christians and what motivates us as our is our faith in Jesus Christ and that's what we have in common and that's the that's. What makes us are that's what makes us go forward and so we use our compassion and that love than that concern that cries showed for people. How we use to show the people who come to us so for any I didn't matter who you are, we going treat you the same and we do not screw, as relates to the people that we help, and we ve been doing this been for fifty years some

just versus fifty years old this year, There has never been an accusation that we that we refused helped any because they do not believe the same way. We believe we just don't do that. Right Now- and I want to ask you about sort of the lack of tolerance for people who disagree with you with, with many Chris its Marion's person just one second, but before we get to that, I want to take a moment. Shadow to all our advertising partners who helped make this show possible. We are super grateful that they decide to work with us and we definitely appreciate our listeners going out and patronising our sponsors and keeping all of this going really ratio, but that unless there is an hour advertisers weltering get through this together. You me my shows ever

as a partner, solid, stick together and get through this thing. There are things we look back on and think to ourselves. How did I get it so wrong? It might be wearing multiple polo shirts or looking that trip to the fire festival ordaining that one person at one time you know the person I'm talking about while we're always gonna, get things wrong. How I hired Michael moles, that's just life, but there are also things we can get right like shopping for life insurance and that's where policy genius comes in policy. Genius makes finding the right life insurance a breeze. In minutes. You can compare, quotes from the top insurers and find your best price. You could say fifteen hundred bucks or more a year by using policy genius to compare life insurance policies. Once you apply, the policy genius team will handle all the paperwork and the red tape for free and policy genius doesn't just make life insurance easy. They can. I help you find the right home and ATO insurance disability insurance. So, even if you look back on the days when you hired a yell Grattan, but this will be great and it turns out, he was a completely useless piece of what forget that go over to policy genius right now find your best price apply a policy genius dad come get the life insurance you need. We all get things wrong from time.

But we can't get life insurance right with policy genius check them out a policy genius tat come so frankly, I will talk about the lack of tolerance that seems to exist on one side of the also. You mentioned Marin's personal christian organization that it has its viewpoint on on biblical sin and the day Viewpoint hasn't changed in that it has obviously very christian these. This has led to a radical amounts of intolerance from the other side of the iron, which suggests that, in turn, situations you should be shut down. I note that there is a story that that priors This had a plan in the UK and that you had a bunch of I shut down for the bookstore specifically because you are a quart of quotas. Permanent hoary. Why Mr me, amazing to me, is that there are a lot of you, seem to care deeply about what you think of them. When glass eye tracker no need to. You are not a person who is actually legislating. Morality, you're, not a member of the government. You are just running a private organisation you're, entitled to your religious viewpoints. What what do you think it is that there is so much blow back.

Whenever Samaritans purse does something publicly whenever you do something publicly based on your view of biblical said. Well, I think been that's the blow back as a really so much against me. I think it's a good God today. The view that I have is what the Bible, teachers and the Bible teaches that met just between a man and a woman. That's that's what I believed, and so I hold to my religious beliefs. I dont compromise those I'm not gonna change them. That's just what the Bible, teachers, and so that's what I believe, and I am again for the gay community out there by law. The men care for them. I I want them to know the truth. I dunno what God says. I want them to know what I his his his word has to say

because it's important that we live our life in accordance to his word. So why don't I dont to condemn any body? God is the one who condemns we're all gonna have to stand before God, when they give an account to him, how with labelling as and so I just want to warn people. I want people to know the truth, but I said I do not condemn any body and unwilling to help each and every person that comes across my path in life, that's who I am and that's what I do so. I wanted more about some of the good actions that you ve been taking? You felt the Billy Gram, rapid response him he's a little bit about the role of the in the midst of this crisis and what they ve done. Though these are chaplains been in this as a result of the nine eleven I was ass stuff, by Rodi Giuliani, the mayor at that time to come to a perpetual at the pile the fire trucks still had dove. They, the water point on the piles UK

Bill Self smell. The stench of the rotting bodies in the smoke coming up out of the pile in the mid mind me a little bit. Maybe what he'll would be like? It was a terrible scene and they stopped everything for a few minutes to have a prayer of ditch and I realized, while I was in New York, that there were not enough pastors doctors, chaplains people who could pray with with those that were suffering. You are three thousand some people died that day and and if there are just not enough people to deal with the grief at noon, Work was going through. There were not enough. Churches are synagogues to hold the funeral services. Some churches were wholly five, six one I actually did ten and one day I don't know how they did it, but the funeral services, so it was a credible amount of grief and- and there just weren't enough enough pastors there, and we we put together a eighty

chaplains and they went up there and just went out to Chelsea appears where they had. They make shift memorial, people were there, but it pictures and flowers, and we just start talking to people prayed with people. Then we went to the hospitals. People standing outside looking for a loved one started: pray with them, and we had a tremendous minister. But we went down to the pile and we won. Though have a prayer with a first responders now became, come in you're, not credentials and central how'd, you get credential about one of our Chaplin's was an FBI chapel. I have no clue that there be a chaplain and he had a badge FBI, and so he showed that to the guard at the gate credential girl up. Oh, yes, you come in and after the other

we need to find out how we can get credential than we did. The training with homeland Security, the fame and so forth all day with all the boxes checked all the hopes, and now we have hundreds. We have over a thousand Chaplin's here in the United States that a bit credentials that it has special training for crisis situations like we're facing right now so in New York with got chaplains with the set, alongside our doctors and nurses that are willing to pray. People that want a widow for somebody to listen to a private of some buyers. Have. Would you please, may absolutely right there and are widely. The prayer is a part of what we do. A very important part, as our doctors and nurses are trying to save life, but they have Chaplin's, praying for the doctors and nurses and then to pray for the patients is a very important, so we ve got chaplains there with a sob and I'd. So our work is, of course, it's a spiritual work such as this

oh, but a spiritual! Well, let's stop recycling that where this particular crisis stacked up next other crises have obviously been doing this for quite a while, and you ve dealt with a number of she's, not only in the United States but abroad. How does cover nineteen stack up against the other is that you ve seen in your tenure, was not run a crisis like this. In my lifetime, this is, change the whole world, the whole world then is locked down. Every country in the world is right now locked down and it's a frightening no question about it. I there's something: that's I'd, say: son Mommy, a virus that has swept the globe and we don't know that the answer to this. We don't wait. I'll have an antidote, we don't have the vaccine and the fear that is in people's hearts is incredible, and I just I as a Christian, I don't fear, I'm not worried about. What's gonna happen to Morrow

I gave my life to Jesus. Christ was twenty two years old. When I can test sin, and I asked Christ to come into my heart and that, my god, forgive me nothing I'm a good guy, I'm not I'm a center, but I confess my sin and from those sends out by the Jesus Christ to live in my life, and I dont fear bitten what what stood before me. I don't know. I fear that if, if God was my life to end today, so bid my life since has I gave it to him. He can take me. Spend may use me. However, he wants me and were but the world right now is gripped in fear I've never seen anything like it? It's it is not only those that a pandemic, but it's it's a world wide Christ. We ve never seen this in my lifetime change your own sort of journey to faith in your faith, experience and twenty two. What what prompted you too, to move toward conversion? To

Christianity or embrace and christianity in internally, twenties. Well, of course, but I grew up as a christian home right my father, of course, and evangelist my mother felt grew up in a missionary, a family in China, and so we went to church every every sunday we were involved in the church. We did the those types of things, but your parents cannot choose Jesus Christ, for you and then met how much they love me. That was a choice I had to make. I was twenty two and I think Ben. I just got to the point of my life where I'm sick and tired of just being sick and tired. You could go to parties, you can date, you can do things you could have fun, but the next day you wake up, there would be an empty in this in your life, and you realize that you're you're searching for some but you didn't know what you're searching for

and there was this is overwhelming emptiness. And what might I just got on my knees, ass, a god I've sent and I'm sorry forgive me. I believe, Jesus Christ, you son. I believe that he took my sins to the cross that he died on that she was buried for my sins and that you raised and alive life, and I will invite him to come into my heart and to my life and if he could take the pieces of my life and put it together, make sense of it. You can have it operate, that prayer been in a minute and that night, God forgave Franklin Graham on arms the center, but I've been forgiven ban, and I know that one day when I stand before He will welcome me because not because of what I did, but because when what Jesus I stood on my behalf when he took by sea and died in my place, and I accept that by faith the Bible says by grace: are we saved through faith? It's not of works, lest any man should both if you

work for yourselves asian people would brag about as part of human nature. You know today what I had to pay limited? What I had to do, but when you come to God, is this by his grace in it true faith and there's nothing else. I saw them out with an effect. It is is obviously about to be upon us, the Passover season in the jewish community. Assets are wholly time of year for fur. Jusan questions alike. It also the rough his time, I've ever seen in my lifetime and that holds refer for Christians, Jews, everybody else now. The fact is there can be a lot of we'll suffering going into Eastern. Why do people suffering during during the past over season what what do you think people should meditating on and thinking about during during the Easter season. Well, first of all the division, there's no community that is probably suffered more modern history, then the jewish ready and that they know what pain and sorrow they know of suffering. Is about, and this

these two season. Much of the world is experiencing pain and saw like they ve never seen before they. The estimates for the people that may die in this country are staggering and we know that in the months ahead Gonna, probably get worse, not better, and so I think this Easter season is the time for us to pause as a country to pray and to ask God for his help his mercy his blessed. And, I think, is important. We turned a goddess, a nation, been we have turned our back on, God are we. From his laws out the window and say they don't matter and of our politicians have done that people have been I d

What we got his idolatry more than anything else, and in our countries been consumed with idolatry and with sports becomes idols musicians become idols, our Hobbes become our idols. Our work becomes our idols and we have just a shoved God back into closet does says like we don't we don't want him in less as a crisis, and this is a great time for us as a p Well, as a nation out returned, I got a call upon him and asking for help. I want to ask you one and about the result of correlation between people, doing badly in God's response to to us whether what

We can actually see that in day to day life or whether it's just incumbent on us to see God, regardless of of the treatment that were receiving from from nature or from the world, gets then just one second. First, let's talk about a quick way for you to save money well being at home. Has there ever like in human history, been a better time to avoid the post office? I give you may like the post office, but we're trying to social distance here and tearing packages to the post office. Does this seem like a great use of either time or money? wish that you weren't the post office right now. You don't do you. This is why you need stamps TAT, come here daily, where we ve been using stamps tat com since two thousand seventeen we're not waste,

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returning to God during times of crisis, that America is turn our back on God. I certainly agree with you in terms of a lot of moral standards that we become obvious, we're secular, atheistic country. I think I am a lot of other people in modern life, pretty uncomfortable with the idea that that, when bad things happen that that represents gods punishment, just because there is not a one to one correlation. We see too often good things happening too bad people in bad things happening the good people. So I wonder if maybe you can, clarify on that a little bit. Do you think that We live in a sort of a world where pendant happened and that's a punishment from God or We may live more in a world where its incumbent on us, the right thing, regardless of whether receiving good or bad in our own eyes now from gods eyes, but from from in our own eyes from from the world around us. Well, first of all, God loves us. He cares horse and that's true of someone else to do that. So I can remember anything else. We say

on this programme. I want them, remember that God loves you and he does. Ah then we'd and bad things do happened, a good people and uh. That's what we learn. I fallen broken world when Adam and Eve the first couple. God put him up world now the garden of eden- and I he Didn'T- want bad things to happen, but he set down rules man chose to disobey an item on Ebay they ve got a real result that Sinn came into the world and that's the fall of man as though we are living in a broken world sinful world at the debts. That's where we are, but that's what Christ dive prior sin, so that we don't have to pay the debt of sin, which is death. He's gonna, give us eternal life if you're willing to trust him, but why? We're here on earth, we're whereby have pain, we're gonna have sorrow,

we're. Gonna have have death, but we can have that hope of eternal life with Christ one day if we will turn and repent of our sins soap. Ah, yes, bad things happen and this krona, hours, whether that's gods, judgment on how do I know I mean I'm not. He has told me, but at the same time I think maybe God can use this to get our attention as the world, not just a nation but the world to look to him, and but our faith in trust in him. So I wanted to ask his sins. Were everybody? Is you know, trying to hunger down right now? You're, obviously seen an enormous number of inspirational actually talk that some of them already from from the folks workforce mountains. During this crisis? One of the men? You could give me some instances of a sort of inspirational The people are doing right now to help out their fellow man, in the name of God, well There was a man in New York, very wealthy fellow young guy.

And he saw TAT outside on central park. Workin me he just came back and I help volunteer. He picked up a shovel. He started shovelling, not mulch to help. We have some walkways because of the grass was turning the mud. Die. He worked. Thirteen hours shovelling, add diagram of wealthy guy- and he just came out of volunteers. People like that that just come from different walks, a what life, these doctors and nurses that are willing to put their life on the line to save the life of other people, its increase and it's not just the doctors and nurses buzz like this fellow who young guy had a lot of money, but he had some time on his hands and he was bored sitting at his home, said Jack and I help and picked up a shovel and that sad, those type of people inspire me

I've just so thankful and America has some wonderful people, good people and that they be the media. Sometimes we focused too much on they stars. We with focused too much on the Hollywood, people, whose lives for the most part, are empty and broken, and I have very little to give that you take a young guy like that. Is it that's just an example of one of many who have stood up and have both said here I am use me said Porthos a bit more about where Samaritans Prescott's are for functional know. The background of the organization at all well is distorted by member Bob Pierce back for seventy seven fifty years ago this year and on his arm. He just wanted to help churches. We want to help people around the world that world less fortunate add died. He ran at first, but the first ten years

they had leukemia and he asked if I would take it over and at that time, the oars She was very small, the three secretaries and when I took over the organization now the three sectors quit so for it was just ass. It was just me and does the goddess brought an incredible team of people over there The last forty years are up and running it credible team, men and women, and I ve learned one thing of innovative business school. One thing I learned is higher people that are smarter than you. At the end of the day they gonna make. You look good, so I've always try to find people that allow smarter than Franklin Graham- and I say that that's does paid off, because our big we get the job done and has not frank and grand but assistant. What team of people. So I want to ask about year growing up. I met you mentioned earlier. Obviously your father is the most prominent evangelist of the last century. So what is it?

growing up in a home with telegram. Well, I think the bill grandma the world saw television or that the big stadiums was the same Billy. Graham, we, the children saw at home. There wasn't tube milligrams that there was an now my mother route. Grand there wasn't a different person when the cameras returned off, they were the same and we saw that consists, say in the life and my father was a very humble person if you approach them on the sidewalk, if he was walking down the New York's Fifth avenue and somebody recognized Mccabe's old doctor Graham, can I shake your hand? He would be kind of all shucks. You want to shake my head, okay. Well, what's your name and his stand there and talk to him and that's just the way he was, and so I'm very grateful for that, but he had a very deep I believe the Bible and hippies do the first one to day I dont understand at all, but I believe at all,

and he too had just a very simple faith at god- gave him an incredible out of the ability to communicate the word of God. And what do you think this with the message that he was promo getting from some of the other messages, thereby promulgated by different evangelists or or maybe this new wave of evangelist summers and the televangelist they see on TV will what what he was such a popularize or of the Bible, what what was different between what he did and what so many others tried to do. Well, I can speak for for other people. My father's, certainly one woman to my father, just took the calling the God gave him and he used to the best of his ability, before he did anything, he would pray about it if he felt God called him to go to England to preach or go to Eastern Europe to preach, go to Russia to preach. I he prayed about it. And if God laid something on his heart, he did it, and so I do

he'll be criticized. I'm ever went with Eastern Europe. Both their lot People on the far right accused him of being used by the Communists, I remember my father smiling and say well: b, I want to use them at the end, He was on this very forceful, very strong. And they had a great team of people around it- that supported him and helped him, and does he certainly would draw what made of make sure people understood. It was the team, it wasn't. Just ran, but as a team you mentioned earlier, the phrase are simple faith. There's a lot of heat one today's world who seem to think that they are too sophisticated for faith or who have been told that their faith is unsophisticated, that that faith requires you to ask no questions. Is easy and they find themselves struggling with they won't you say to people who think that papers is. Simple and in what? What's the proper approach to fifty? What kind of questions are worthy of asking? Well been their lot of sceptic.

Out there and they they think faith is a crutch and either I don't what I can do to change their their beliefs, but it been just take this whole notion of evolution, And other somehow we started off as a tadpole and got more and more and more sophisticated ass time passed over. Millions of years and all, we are who we are today and their millions of people that believe that, and I think it takes a lot more faith to believe that, because there's no evidence whatsoever. Uh uh, where we came from tadpoles or whatever some Lord species, but as a pilot, I have a little the single engine, Piper Super CUB made in nineteen. Fifty six

like a parked out on the runway. I can tell you right now: I lost millionaire, so now it's not going to be a seven hundred and forty seven, engineers behind it that develop it about put these things together and, as a day, goes by a design, and they, and body has, has a design. And its unique out when you look at our propulsion system one look on electrical system, then pneumatic system, so that our bar our bodies have is incredibly disease, and there was a design about it- just didn't happen. There's a creator and the Bible says that God, crew the Heaven and the earth and everything in it and been. I just believe it, but you have to accept it by faith. You just have to believe and I just believe it and are sometimes the people that have the most sophistication, the Mostar expertise. The higher the Phd learning. Sometimes it's those people that are the hardest ones to reach. It is always enemy,

that arguments like the sort of argument from design interest, and soon argument that simply misses the point of God, which is the God can do whatever he wants and that, even if God wanted to evolve, evolve human beings from TAT point, we believe that evolution happens simply net selection and random mutation. Why, wouldn't God be able to decide? It Why? Therefore, this bizarre disconnect where, if there is a naturalist, explanation, therefore But he stands behind. Nature have never fully understood the idea that debt, if nature has laws. If nature has rules that their there has to be there, there can't be any does, for those laws are rules that that somehow nature operating a certain accordingly constructive, somehow disapprove of God, rather than a proof of his presence and undermined at work, The world in which we live. Everything is set in motion an dumb. Our our universe is set on it certain motion, where so many miles from the sun. If we're just a few miles further further closer

We may not be able to live on this planet. We live in a very delicate sphere of atmosphere, and I, if you go far miles straight up. If you I don't know where you live, I'm sure you could have a vantage point somewhere. We look, then see five miles and stop every fiery, and you go straight up five miles. You are not able to sustain life. You, you came breathe dust, twenty five thousand feet. We live in a fragile envelope here on earth and we need a we need to preserve it. Take care of God made it. He created it and I just have to believe him by faith been. I dont believe that somehow we just appeared out of nowhere God designed us and is designed this world and his eye This whole spirit which we live and it put the stars in place and all that was part of God's handiwork, and I just

just believe it, and I know that he loves us any made us any everything about us individually team our life. He knows our problems and the main thing is that we can talk to anytime anyplace anywhere. I can talk to God and I can then he wants to hear our concerns and I think is perfectly fine with for us to call him in the middle, the night he's not asleep he's not some God that has to have sleep he's there. Just call his name is there and up, and he will here if we put our faith entrusted son, Jesus Christ, he's gonna, hear us. There is no other what Jesus said. I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the father, but by me, there's not a multiple roads to God. There's only one path to God.

And that goes to the cross, because Jesus is only one, a history of take the sins of mankind and no other person ever claim to say I took your sins. I died in your place. Nobody! Nobody ever claim that only one, this Jesus Christ. He said I took your since, and I died in your place and I laid my life down, and I took it back again and he's alive than his life for ever and the Bible says he's coming back and I believe that could be some. Something that that is eminently trend has been proved true over the course of the last several decades is that the decline in church, now it is here that the rise in secularism is has some pretty die or social effects and talk about without with you in just one. Second, first, let's talk about the fact that you're spending an awful lot of time on line right now, because you can't go outside literally, you cannot. So, if you're a hacker This is your paradise, because you can just hack anybody. People are putting their credit,

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Millennials role or watching younger people, basically rejecting religion, wholesale working, organised religion in decline by statistics. Why do you think that is particularly given the fact that after we'll decades of an increasingly secular America. It is obvious that their pre dire social effects to two examples. Sort of secular relation, particularly in Some of the more hard hit rust bell to areas that wouldn't when churches disappear so does the social fabric, unwincing, opium, epidemics and in broken lives. He seen epidemics, suicide, disconnection But why does secular it? Why is secularism bit on the rise, despite the fact that there has been such evidence in dire consequences. Well, secularism. First, while just go back to talk about the decline of the church, show the churches and the climate think there is a main line denominations that quit preaching the Bible for some time and people just quit. Attending those churches

what you see is arise, a Bible teaching churches our past or just get up in the open up. The Bible say they have close. Read today. Would gods word says and they tart teaching the Bible. Those churches are full their pact people are hungry today they want to know the word of God and of secularism. Is it gives a licence for people to live is just about any kind of wicked life they want to without any consequences, and course s very attractive and a lot of people go that directions This has gone very fond. This is gonna, be great, but there's a emptiness, and you are right. The suicide rate is just incredible: how the problems of sex, There is a breakthrough that doesn't give answers it does it give them this licence to be free, but at the end of the day there not free and their their slaves to sin and, above all they want to be.

Fraid they they want answers, searching and looking for something better, and there now find it. I want people to know that though, but there are searching for his God. Have they put their trust in him? He'll take that broken life and he'll put it together. Does like it at mine, and they are usually I forgive you and pleasure and give you hope for for the morning hope for the next day and the how important we need today. We need that hope for the night day. A major media in the United States have basically blow indeed angelic goals for getting involved in power takes a very upset with religious people being involved in politics. They say that this is religious theocracy. That seems to me that It is precisely the opposite of what actually happened. What actually happened is that there is a fairly wide social consensus on a wide variety of issues and that the secular left in the night sixty space? We broke those down and evangelical questions like relation but all stripes basically stood on their hind legs and said. Well, no, you don't get to discard those social consensus. That consensus is without any

or of evidence. When do you think it becomes incumbent on religious people to get involved in politics and one circumstanced, you think religious people shouldn't be involved in politics and in here should they be involved in politics, well, first of all, in twenty sixteen or whatever, They capital held a prayer rally on the capital steps. I thought if I would have a few hundred join me in prayer. That would be important because I felt our country was in trouble and we needed to pray instead of hundreds of thousands Many tin in some places tens of thousands of people who showed up on a capital steps to pray They weren't there to hear me spake that there were there to profound nation and so that these were people that care for our country that prayed, I never endorsed up

in the last election, and I just occurs. People are prey the way they fell. God was leading them to vote of solid Kurt people to vote, and then I also encourage Christians to run for office. We need the christian voice estate politics in the State House, where we need them in the local power the text we knew them school boards, how important school boards are and if we could have Christians on school board and have them a voice heard how important that would be. As I encourage Christians to non went to vote, but to get involved politically, there. The of gays and lesbians have they have their candidates. Are Muslims have their candidates, so many people have their candidates and I think, a support for christian Staff Camden South there that they can run and win and we need the critical voices. America. This is democracy and We certainly have the right to have a voice at the table, so that so

come on we're Doin Ben. We encourage people to vote again. I don't try to tell people how to vote on serve it. I have conservative values just not only politically but of spiritually of spell conservative values and bank conservatives have a right to be heard and they have a right to vote and of people the process, how Christians think about the separation of church state everytime Christians, get involved in politics. There accusations that they're trying to establish a christian theocracy that this is the handmaids tail or something like that. How should the hush of Christians think about their involvement in policy? while respecting the boundaries between church and state. Well, I mean, I think we dont compromise, now think this bar the problem with had as Christians have compromised. We shouldn't compromise. We should hold to what the Bible teaches and hold those standards and a we, we have a majority. I think we have an opportunity to them to do

ass. Some good laws may be in this country this. So we have a right to be a voice there. If you take a hundred years ago, They political leaders in the communities where the pastors, if your house burned down- and you were to your family- was desolate. You went to the local church in the past or would find some by the community that will take you in there would clothing. They were feed you, they would care for you, but the government has taken those type of social services upon themselves and they don't do nearly as good as a church is used to do it and what happened? The churches caught up? Ok, but we'll just let the government do that then, and we have slowly backed up and backed up and that the government take more and more more control of society

then they're not doing a better job out there doing an inferior job, not better, ah find a lot of the problems that we face today were handled at the local level. It was done with compassion with love and out with the interests of the people that they were helping today. Is this clinical and the government is rights out a check, and I think that will solve it, but the problems of this do more than just a check in its people. One or one interaction, people that care people that wanted of that their voice be heard up of people that are what data to go into a community and am and make a difference with your life. I invested in a community the difference so Franklin other similar an incredibly vitriolic time. You take an enormous amount of abuse for expressing support for President Trump in some of the things that he is as president of the United States, have you rate his his overall performance? Is President Burma? I support the present he's our president.

We don't have another present. Is that he's the only one we got and he needs our prayers. These had a very difficult task, but he ran and twenty sixteen, mostly Republicans, were against in October republican leadership. Of course, I do, press were against him and on, and he somehow he won the election and people ask me how to do it. I think it was God, but for some reason I thank God just just of pick doll, J Trump- and you say what he's floor. These days are simple person whose, though this or that well we're all flawed and we're all central, but somehow God chose him to be the president at this particular time in history, and I think he has done an incredible job. No question that the economy is the best has ever been We're in the middle the krona virus are we ve got a lot of people to work right now, but there's a temper and other of the economy is still very strong.

And I think the president has done an incredible job with a crowd of ours I just shudder to think of some. Someone else was praised this time mess that we have banned. But he's does so. He knows how to get people working and he's got, industry right now, general motors and people like that building ventilators heap at the hospital ships in New York in California, where they stay in opposition, said it would take him six weeks ago it he did in one week. He knows how to he knows how push to make things happen, and he is the commander in chief, and so I certainly give him a plus plus cell and there's not a controversy, Leon. Twenty. Sixteen specifically surrounding president trumps character is personal character why do people, including me, who are very critical of lot of his conduct, have continued to to do what I call these sort of goods from admiral model. Overall, I am a supporter of the president. At this point, I would support his re election At the same time, I'm not that will

HU. Let him get away with with sort of some of this that he says and does not make me deeply uncomfortable hush, hush religious people deal with the fact that you mention is a flawed character, offline characters, but how should religious people specifically deal with sort of the character of laws that are? in in President Trump, without necessarily covering for those laws, even if they are supporters, will allow the accusation that of the president and his lifestyle twenty years ago and not the same person he was twenty years ago. Neither you and neither my he's changed and now he tweets, and he will say things that are that suddenly alot of people cringing, but but tvs, attacked every day by the media every single day, and that is his one opportunity to fight back its of twitter is his newspaper. He doesn't have to get filtered by some by him, go directly to the american people and has worked for him. The american people,

are behind the president, and I no law the poles will show Well Biden has hit by two point, sir. Yes, so what else may be hit by two points? I do believe that by second, I think, if you had the today election today, he would when the overwhelming hands down as either just he's. In a credit, person and other people have trust in compensating, and so again I don't gray with everything he says it does, but at the same time he is the president and we just have to trust him and back and help him. We can live in one. Second, I want to ask you about an article denouncing forever ago, from the December twenty nineteen issue of Christianity today, which apparel obviously claim that present from should be removed from office. But if you wanna hear Franklin Gram talk about that article about Christianity today about the legacy of that magazine, you have to be subscriber daily where the council had on over daily word, icon, unsubscribe, Franklin Gram. Thank you.

For stopping by the show. I really appreciate, and thanks for all the amazing work Samaritans purses doing for people all over the world really. Thank you, sir. Thank you got blushes, then Shapiro show Sunday Special is directed by make joiner and produced by map, is Glover executive, producer, Jeremy, boring associate producer case. Winners in our guests are both my Caitlin manner, post production is supervised by Alex's. Ngora editing is by Jim nickel. Audio is mixed by MIKE Communist Heron make is by Niggah Geneva, title Graphic, Subway, Cynthia, Angola the bureau, Shall Sunday Special is a daily wire production, copyright daily way or twenty twenty.