By the time I I graduated high school doors were opening for an acting and I thought it might well keep this this career going and the doors that were opened we're lining up with what was happening to me on the inside. I want to be about things that promote faith. I want to be about things that promote family and marriage, and here I am looking in the rearview mirror San. This has been awesome ahead. Welcome MRS the Ben Shapiro show Sunday special. I'm really excited to welcomes the Joker Cameron. Kirk is inaccurate. Producer. Remember him see we're on growing pains. These also started fireproof and wave. The master is currently in a thirty city tool for his marriage and parenting conference living room, Is it now quicker minor, we're doing some bonus questions with our guests. The only way to get access to that part of the conversation is to spend money on us by becoming a subscriber. That's how we hold you up for the cash gone over to daily, where it can become a subscriber you'll, have access to all of the full conversations

with every one of our awesome gas Kurt, they must join me showed man if my honour great great great, meet you re to be here with you, I gotta say my entire family grew up on. Of course you, as makes Eve, really Grove hats- oh yeah well in this is kind of crazy, because my family's kind of rock with you. You Youtube, I mean you're you're you're, quite they hit and and legend and subject subjective of debate, impassioned converse since our house, I really appreciate. I have sounds kind of insulted that I have a name profiling. Yet my wife was far more excited. The Euro coming on the Sunday special that I actually hosts the Sunday special? Well, you know it is. It is fun and it's funny. So many people grew up in the nineteen eightys with growing pains in shows like like that and whose Abbas and other kinds of chosen, you just feel like his people grew up with you in your living, I'm. So it's like their family. You feel, like you, know them exactly for me was the funds. It was Henry Winkler and yet I was predictable. When I met him, send a signal to ask you about what happened

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so that that was never on the radar, but I actually met a girl on the set who was really cute and she invited me to go meet her family and it was Sunday morning at Church- and I heard a message from the minister that just was answering questions that I was asking existential questions, philosophical questions and- and I got thinking about the fact that one day I would die and if really intelligent, people believe in the existence of God, maybe I'm wrong as it as an atheist and an end. At least I oughta to reach out- and I heard this message of cuts grace and his love forgiveness- and I remember sitting in my sports car on the side of the road at seventeen years old, and I thought about tat I can I can get hit by a drunk driver. I could die today and if what that men said is true, I'm not going to Heaven. Because of my attitude. You know I was the big man on campus. I was like zebra growing pains and- and I ever

I was on my terms, but I understood that a relationship with God would have to be on his terms, he's the creator, and so I remember praying and asking got it to show me the way and somebody gave me a viable. I started to read it. I started to go to church and asked million questions less listen, the guys like Robbie Saccharine us who I I love the review that you had with him, listing the guys like Joe Macarthur and and and others who really got me. I was captivated. The message of the gospel, and I wanted to live my life in a way that was different, saying thank you to the one they gave me air to breathe water to drink, and- and I was seventeen so as the seventeen year old kid trying to figure out your own identity. I know I I I ruffled some others. I know that I may have been like a bull in a China shop. Might my worst may not have been season with all the grace that they should have at seventeen, but I was trying to figure out. How do I do this hiding grow up like this?

How do I honour God, in an industry? that doesn't always look to accomplish the same goal? I hadn't your parents react TT moving in this direction. Will it was interesting because my mom had gone to church as a little girl, but my dad didn't want us to go to church. She wanted to sort of, you know, figured out ourselves, and so she was thrilled she's like great. I would look go to church, but the problem was my mom and dad we're separated at the time and providentially this. Snooze of me going to church actually brought my dad to church, and almost like you're not going to go to church with the kids. Without me, I'm coming back, and so that actual we was one of the things that I think added to them. Reconciling their relationship and and then we were all coming together and we're playing together and going to church together, and it was a really beautiful, positive thing in our family as it may. You think. So how are you received in the industry when, when you say to make this move me, but my parents, work in the industry has been a lot of time around people in the industry

when my mom just for their fortunes in our family and she worked said at a very high level in terms of business production. Remember when you go to events and people, ask me she hadn't should say for people with lose their minds the frigate some it is so because we ve been the orthodox jewish community, where I spent my life like what happened where the other seven as we are well on. You guys go with the flow of those the reception lighted a year dear move. Well, I would say that there were. There are some people who had a healthy concern, a natural have the concern. You know when you hear of teen celebrities, child actors- often things enter into their life- that make them go wrong, and you know that can be very concerning so like what is he into what what's going on? But it was funny, because really, I think the changes were. I just wasn't dropping as many f bombs. You know I wasn't out going to the same parties and I and I wasn't interested in some of the stuff that my friends are interested in

and I think over time it's really served me well, so there may be some parts that I that I had to pass on because of content or or conscience issues, but at the end the day. Look at me, I'm sitting here with Ben Shapiro, your show married. For twenty nine years, I have six kids, I'm working on projects that I'm passionate about and I'm trying to get a message of life and light, and I think all that is because God is pointed me in a direction that I think works to the offer start to change. I have talked a lot of conservatives in the industry and you can see for some of them. They'll say no. I didn't really. Change, I am still getting the same offers memories. How can a Patty Heaton about those I'm overruns and Patty? I said to her: we have you asked parts because of theirs in it, because she so pro life and outspokenly so, and she said I don't think so, but let me

You actually call me back forty eight hours, letters to the edges done that I was seven specific parts as because of this, I did you feel any blow back from folks in the industry, or is it something? Where was serving natural progression towards more part you wanted to do? I think I think it's the latter. I think that there were doors that we're opening up, that we're just fantastic. So I wanted to do I guess I began to see. I always wanted to be a doctor. I can say this way I wanted to be a doctor. I wanted to be a surgeon. My plan was to go to college, go to medical school and these acting thing took off when I was nine years all my fourteen I was on growing pains by the time I graduated high school doors, were opening for an acting career, and I thought it might well keep this this career going and the doors

opening we're lining up with what was happening to me on the inside. I want to be about things that promote faith. I want to be about things that promote family in marriage and the movie fireproof came up, and that was a chance to be a part of a really cool inspiring movie. I was part of a documentary called Monumental, which explored the founding principles of our forefathers, the pilgrims and I retrace their escape route out of England to HOLLAND, where they spent all those years with their pastor before coming over on the Mayflower, and so it wasn't ever like. I felt that people's disagreements with my faith or my by my values, was inhibiting my career. I felt like my clearer direction of where I wanted to go was lying not with the doors that we're opening and and- and here I am looking in the rear view- mirror San. This has been awesome. So how did you not get screwed up at me? I know lotta kid

poor child actors. My cousin actually was. It was child starmer, Wilson, Jews and Mattel Dine and miracle area in an American through forthright. In other areas, we person after a while, though, but that alone of other people who start off his child actors have serious in their lives, and you see these these horror stories, Oliver, the media all the time. So why didn't that happened here? Well, meaning, I remember, is hardly not been all screwed up, I'm an actor. I could be taken this offer Instead of accessibility of vessels and brimstone after it turn off the camera- and you know I have friends contemporaries people that I worked with growing up that have had things happen to them. That didn't happen to me. I'm fortunate. In some ways they ve made choices that are different and the choices that I've made. But in the end I think I was surrounded by some good people- the cast a growing painters, great Olenin, Joanna Tracy in German, Leonardo Dicaprio and that it was

like we were really like a family and and even to the point where you know people than one, smoke on the sad people didn't want it to be coming on this because it was kids there and that combined I think with my mom and dad just I really just being there my dad's a school teacher. He taught physical education and mathematics, fur thirty thirty. Five years, and my mom was just always there with us and I think those things sort of lay the foundation but being a teenager Hollywood is, is a pretty dicey road to take, and I think that's where faith in God kicked in and pointed me in a different direction and a night I took the road less traveled, so to speak. But again, I think that sense of while I'm I'm really blessed to have this life and I want to live in the way that honours the one who gave it to me, and I think that cabin

on track more than anything, do you still keep in touch with people you're on the show, with oil Jeremy comes over cooks, everyone straw, he's a shaft is awesome and I see trade see and Jeremy probably the most of them. As you know, ethic passed away, Joanna's up in Santa Barbara, but we're still friends and we love seeing each other when we do have a chance So you and making young christian content and conservative content or at least a traditionally oriented family calm down for a while. Why you think it is there that has been left? serve non mainstream outlets. In Hollywood. To do all of that has been a constant source of frustration for a lot of conservatives that I know that these studios hundreds of millions of dollars on movies that happening credibly, select audience of apparently very blue people in very blue areas and they just ignore entire swaths of people who believe in religious faith, and that's left too.

Smaller studios to distribute fireproof is of course the best example of this movie that was made on issues during budget then goes on to do thirty million dollars at the Box office, because Hollywood completely ignores the sins you're segment of the american population? If perplexing? Isn't it I travel all around the country teaching on the subject of marriage and parenting because I think family is so important. I think I think when the family crumbles the nation. Crumbles. And what I find everywhere that I go is that there are people of faith. I caught the family of faith everywhere, who believe. In the kinds of values and and and think that character and virtue is essentially important more so than politics more So then the economy more so than these other things and I dont know why there are more projects like this, but I think that There are becoming more and more of these things more more with technology, being a that it is you don't have to depend on a studio distribution system. You don't have to depend,

studio funding, you can grab a camera and you can have a Youtube channel and you can start making stuff mourn, pennant movies are coming around this way, I would think. Actually. I would like to ask you that why you think wonder if there aren't political reasonings behind. All of that But may I certainly think there I wrote a book in two thousand fourteen about the tv industry called prime time propaganda about the been I wouldn't interviewed. Probably a hundred different executives and producers and creators are on tv shows and in very many would say openly that they had legitimate scorn for people in the middle of the country with whom they disagree. On these these sorts of areas, they felt that the real issues that were perplexing people were not issues of fate. That wasn't that, though those words people they were speaking too, and a lot of that was because the that think the artistic endeavour we are from where I sit very much seems to be in front of us talking to reflective of the people who surrounded so when I talk to each other creators of friends in which is a lifestyle completely foreign to my potent and formed a lot of people in all the countries,

people who are in their early thirties, acting like their seventeen years old of media Hartman. Together, all single fry advocated at one point out of wedlock, composite surgery or several eaters they could serve, shows up random several seasons later and and that's treated is perfectly normal. They make a joke of it in the shop. Remember talking to Morrow Kaufmann, who is one of the creators of friends and, and she said bread, but that was those are the people who I who am surrounded by and so. In other words, the bubble that you live in really defines the. People who are speaking to answer, because the creative industries drawn so much from L a New York, San Francisco and so little from oh When I left right there they're just aren't a lot of stories that are being told from Ohio and Oil, which is why there's this broad kind of gap in the market. So so so what seems like the there's such fertile ground? For so many of these projects with his underserved market and that's what I'm trying to do, I would love.

He'll be a part of more movies. More television shows, documentaries, live events, I love being in front of people, so I love travelling alone getting on stage of ILO performing. I think, probably because I was growing pains all those years, but I find that people are looking for things too We want to fail at family right, nobody, nobody goes to the altar thinking, hey this whole thing blows up, I'm ok with it. We want marriage to work, we want parenting to work and parenting is hard. My wife and I have six children for them are adopted, and so we have all. We have a very diverse group of people in our home and I think people want and appreciate things that help them live life in a way that that causes people to flourish, families to flourish and the nation to flourish summit to ask about the family and parenting step, which is really where you're you're putting most your time at these days, but first you ve heard about crypto currency. You thought that sounds weird crypto.

And currency. Why are there in the same word, while the reason there in the same word is because effectively speaking what crypto currency is, is a digital way for you to protect your assets? Why? What is it? Well, they have created a thinker blockchain, and then they create a krypton. Currency and then governments can manipulate how much they currency is worth. It is just up to the free market. Well, with each Oro, you get access to the world's most popular crypto currencies with transparent trading fees, all in one easy to use an editorial. Smart crypto trading made easy Each or of social trading platform has over eleven million traders. They facilitate over a trillion dollars and trading volume per year. Globally, you can access the world's best. Crypto currencies have got fifteen different coins, available, low intransparent fees, and you can try before you. Trade will give you a virtual portfolio with one hundred thousand our budgets. You can see how this thing worked before you put your own money into it. You'll never miss a trading trend with charge and pricing alerts, and I think that crypto currency is definitely worth considering is part of Europe or folio. Can it's good way for you to defray some of the risk of being in the stock market, for example

today, at each oral dot com, Slash, Shapiro, that's easy, o r, o dot com, Slash Shapiro, so even married for what twenty ISA twenty nine years. Forty nine years, ok and you make your wife on the set of life on the said she actually played MIKE savers. Girlfriend I like to say that I stole my serious girlfriend away from that. You know he had excellent taste and we made for twenty nine years. She's New York on from LOS Angeles EAST Coast West Coast of a sort of like at a meeting of two worlds. But when I met her, I found that she was not only beautiful on the outside. She was just beautiful on the inside. She, she love- God, Sheila, can she loved family and we hit it off and within a year we were married How old are you guys got married? Well, I was twenty five years I engaged propose. Ethical is nineteen where salaries just like. If I dont ask this girl to marry me, somebody else will I can't I cannot loser- are yet another that that by the way, folks does worry me. We agree

somebody's whenever we totally agree? If you ever find the girl who you think you're gonna marry just proposed like right? That's how you guys nape of before you for proposing well, I think it was probably maybe maybe many sixty nine ass theirs, it wasn't it wasn't all that long yet, but I just I just knew that, like this, I'm not ever ever going to better than their exactly know. Let me take your time I proposed my three months. We will. Wade's done twelve years coming up in July of this, the European right, and what is this is this: is it so funny when we when we got engaged, I had told her. I love you a month before she said I Have you back to me so is a real awkward mine for Finnish every conversation. I'd say I love you and she'd say: oh thank you. And the reason was because ass soon ass, she said I love you back. She knew that this is going to these areas are doing exactly issues that I love you back and naturally the first words out of my mouth were so, let's get married Philip and she said no, let's take our time. It'll be fun. I said you understand. This is not fine, we'll get like that of young artists like when we get married, that's the fund. Because now we're committed now don't have to worry about

breathing falling apart extremely nerve. Racking, as everything do. I get this thing off the table that out great. I mean I've, never understood that the desire to sort of delay marriage once you found person who you think you ought to be with their this? this- this is a little random, but I have a where my son's friends came home from college. In his his girlfriend had come home from college and over Christmas I was saying to them: hey how things going like the great no wait. What we want to get engaged you wanna get married next year and and and we're both gonna take our next semester of school in Europe, and I was like wait a minute. You gonna get married a year from now, but you're going to Europe like next semester. My fears two romantic of a place to not go while you're married life, though come he actually made the lands and I married them like a week later, while no joke, but others vacation was over and I'm not even a minister. So what I got ordained, we went to the two to the presidential library and- and it was busily

right outside what we just walked up with flowers, and you have I pronunciamentos wife and poof off. They went through the fares that is often even married from us three decades. What are your keys to marriage to making a marriage last is obviously evaporate in the hollow well we're marriages last up on an average about thirteen weeks? So well what exactly the case here I say it all the time. I've been married twenty nine years, which is like two hundred ninety in Hollywood here, if it that right- and it's mostly because I a very forgiving life. I have an angel wife, It truly is amazing. Ask anybody who knows her, but you know, I think, I think it's the thing we all know. At the end of the day, we can see selfishness and our spouse much easier than we can see in herself and when I'm,

guessing on me and mine and my needs and mine wants and all this up. That's that's the perfect conditions for a rebellion, but I think what I'm when I say you know what it's you before me: how can they serve you? If I can do that- and I need gods helped to do that, because I'm selfish by nature, then I promote a revival in my marriage. That's what I want, and so with this marriage and parenting conference that I did, I'm that I'm hosting those are the kinds of things we talk about. Forgiveness how'd, he cherished your spouse. You know me misery. Others joy, Those are the kinds of things that are hard because it goes against the sort of selfish nature within us. You know I deserve this. What have you ve done for me and I deserve better than that, but at the end of the day I know that I want I'm still a work in progress on that

I don't, but the inspectorate inspection sticker on me yet, and so I don't want to do that to you either Lisbon was common problem. The youth encountered from people that you're seminars talking about marriage, most common problem, selfishness, infidelity. You don't mean that this is such a hard won right. You know when, when when something as sacred and intimate as a marriage relationship gets gets violated in that kind of away, it's it's. It's so hard to put the pieces back, it so hard to trust again you get wounded and injured? The walls go up and those are often, I think, the most difficult things. Obviously, communication and money issues are our big ones, but it's interesting often what, when, when regaining our spouse, or a girlfriend our boyfriend. If we have any money, we're just sit on the floor of an empty apartment. Eating pizza out of a box with normal into binding better we're good, that's fine! we don't have money problems, you know weaken looking

other and gaze into one another's eyes for hours without saying a word and we got no communication problems, but when selfishness creeps in you Know- and it's likely you're spending the money that I made and and and all of a sudden communication to problem intimacy is a problem. Money is a problem and I think it's the selfishness thing it's the me monster always ends up being the culprit not to give the hebrew biblical scriptural analysis we either word for word for for loving Hebrews are, however, and the route of that word is have, which is the same mistakes, said the route of love is to give meaning that has obviously, if you're giving First and then your marriage is, I have always felt that little when people calling my show and ask about the sort of thing. The first thing that we say as if you haven't all the expectations of yourself and none of your spouse. You'll have a good marriage and if you marry the right person than that won't run. The marriage people seem to think that we expect a lot of yourself it. Nothing from your spouse or spouse is gonna go like leaves. Leaders in the quartet right am. I go with you married the right person, Thinking the same thing that the expectation is on them and they don't expect of you and that's that's good. That means that there are two p

both are ready to answer any problem as opposed to two people. Neither for months. So the problem in both of them are pointing fingers that such a good point and an that's one of one of the messages that came out of a movie fireproof was even if you haven't married, the right person. If, if I can try to get my part right Maybe maybe I will be used as a sort of a vessel to bring about change in my spouse overtime. I can't force it, but maybe I can lead by example, and that will bring some sort of transformation to my relationship if on patient them into the Lisbon itself and a sexist, but it's not meant to be. I firmly believe my wife believes this to this. It's not that its access to it. With that the strength of a good marriage really relies on the man, meaning that women tend to be. More attuned to what it takes to make good marriage men tend to be less attuned that, and so the marriage is only can be as good as the man is towards the one is no longer the marriage yeah exactly, and so, if so, if he strong and economic stronger J, exactly so you have said

kids, which is unthinkable. May I have a few right. I'm a full up, and we have a third coming in March- were not quite full up, but I that's gonna be interest. And I hope we will have more after having unless x and there within you said a six year spent seven years, spanned the other all about one year apart, so when they were little just think. It's just think of this, so my wife got the double stroller the front, packed the backpack while I am travelling at work, so so one six ones, five for three too and a new born and inevitably help I mean I just have to ask like you. You know I mean my mom would come over sometime and another only help I mean I just have to ask like you. You know I mean my mom would come over, sometimes that we never actually never had a nanny, and it really do. We could use some help, but I think Chelsea was just always so all in that it was like that's what she wanted her hands full of all the time, and she still does. She thinks that that's like the most beautiful, wonderful thing in the whole world. How can I ask for anyone to being a mom and so and to be there for all those little moments is just something she treasure

which I am thankful for and as they got an older, I'm just warning you. It doesn't really get easier. So if a different you're, not feeding them. You know bottles you're, up, worrying it. They're gonna get home alive at night. So now our kids are twenty, to twenty one. Twenty nineteen, eighteen and seventeen so ones married some of moved out It's a whole new world. He said four of those kids are adopted, as it does make the decision to adopt. Well, my wife is actually an adopted child herself, and so that was always a beautiful part of her story and when we had been married for about six years, we talked about having a family and we are working lot when we first do I haven't a family and we are working a lot when we first got married and then we said well what about adoption like? Why? Why why? We are looking to adoption, and I thought that was a great I

I thought I don't need to be the DNS dna donor. There's kids, you need a dad and in a mom, so we got in touch with an agency and we adopted our sun Jack and it was such a great experience for us and effort for them that needing a home and so Bellows adopted and then a year later it was honour and then it was Luke What was adopted and then a year later it was honour and then it was Luke, and so we had foreign, then all of a sudden Chelsea says to me: hey, I think, the kitchen that the bathroom sink is broken. Would you can look at it, and so that was my chance. The strap on my tool belt and bees score. Some husband points walk in there and I like to think I couldn't tell what was wrong. I look underneath the sink. I couldn't see what's wrong, I look to the faucets and I see this little. This little like popsicle stick shape test and it says positive, like what what? What? What are you trying to say that I am a zone and James is worn and they had their. We have sacred said. Ok, I read it. We got it. We gotta think about what's going on here and why this is happening and we may have-

we gotta think about what's going on here and why this is happening, and really I mean you could have told you that red exactly, but we stopped at the half dozen then. So what is it the lessons and parenting this one. I definitely take from Ex right now, as I have a five year old, a three year old and one who has yet to be born and its as you say, gets more complicated. It's either different. It's it's easier in some ways, because you don't worry so much the kid you gonna stick a fork in the in the electric socket right, but at the same time they have new problems. They have knew it. You don't go anywhere, you go to school and on this I need you import everybody else's problems when they come home yeah. I mean what would it worthy? What worsen the pieces advice you have heard for parents? Is the kids started to get older? Well, thank you for asking. I am certainly not an expert in this, but one of the things that the three key that children I have always combat back to when we were

this right. We come back to these three things in and one is, I want to strive to be the kind of person I want. My children to become more cotton taught kids naturally play follow the leader, so your son, your daughter, can we look at you go and what is it They follow the leader. So your son, your daughter, can we look at you go and what is daddy do what is mom do and they like to copy us, is to be joyful. If I want my kids to be compassionate, if I want my kids to trust God in difficult circumstances model, it form showman looks like so that they are have to figure it out or imagine it. They can say: oh yeah, that's, why did it s? Why minded and when it s up asked them for forgiveness? Some people think that would be weak to ask forgiveness from your kids, but that's actually modeling for them.

Some people think that would be weak to ask his forgiveness room from your kids, but that's actually modeling for them. The strength that you need to be humble. When you make a mistake, you know those are the kinds of things along with keeping their keeping their heart understanding. That relationship is the most important thing. Sometimes a house can easily turn into a correctional facility. You know and is just enough safely say. Thank you at the end of the day, we're all gonna make mistakes, and and and if I lose the heart of my child, I've lost the battle they gonna ice me out. They're, not gonna, listen, they're, gonna go somewhere else where they feel like somebody listens, cares for them, and so they're gonna go somewhere else where they feel like somebody listens, cares for them and so keeping that relationship strong through the good times to the difficult times I think is, is paramount and then point of the truth. You normally the kids, get inundated with someone error with so much? You know right is wrong wrongs right and for me,

go to dodge word those those those principles, those ancient truths that I can always go to. You talk about the heroes scriptures in the book proverbs. How? How amazing is the book of proverbs to go back in there and say what? What? What? What is it? What are the? What are the time tested, principles that always produce blessing and good things and protection? I want my kids to learn those things and know that that truth is not relative. When it comes to morality and things like that, truth is something that that vacant builder life on India. This seems to be one of the areas where society is really gone off. The rails disbelief that we should raise our kids in sort of reselling info. Particularly just let them free in the wilderness and then they can discover their own values. I've noticed that society, particularly these days, wants to do this with everything

related to boys and girls. They want to suggest the kids are going to basically form their own values in every particular, but it's not just that. It's pretty much with everything they find their religious values and then, if you inculcate any sort of values in your kids are actually acting as a tyrant that what you are we should be doing is allowing their brains that are that are unformed just experienced the world taken. Those perception then form their own value systems. It seems to be not working, particularly while for the society at large, so what it wanted. Some values The only clouds I mean, I mean that that doesn't work for any other. Any other discipline right like if you're gonna go into law using figured all our until you can go to law school. You gonna learn understand the principles people can go to war, you to train them on on the principles of how to add, you use, use the weapons and things like that that's just figuring out of their own, so

the values that I want to teach. My kids, I think, are our values like trusting in God, virtue in character and considering other people, more important than yourself. I think those are the nation. Those are the values that that not only make human beings flourish individually, make them pleasant people, but it makes families flourish. It makes marriages flourish and I think that's what makes a nation flourished. I think these are the principles that our country was built on and every time that we get away from those things we suffer, and you know we we we go the wrong direction and we can tell by the consequences that the law of cause and effect that this isn't working well, so I want to teach my kids, those those ancient truths and those those judeo christian principles and that world view that led to the freest

most blast and prosperous nation, the world's ever known, so that I can only ask you about the biggest mistake you think you made is apparent. Ok, let's get her a question. Ass, you have no second, but first, how often have you seen these whore well news stories or some act risk attacking then renewed photos are on my work, two things you should know about that. One do not take photos yourself in the news on your phone. It's just dumb and to anyone can be if you think happens, only target large companies to get your information wrong. I use Express bbn myself to safeguard my personal data online, so should these actresses, according to recent reports, hackers can make up to a thousand dollars from selling someone's personal information. On the dark web, making people like me and you easy and lucrative targets expressly paean. It's an app for your computer and phone secures encrypt. Your data, so you can peace of mind. Every time you go online, the connect with just one click, its lightning fast hears about part expressly began costs less than seven bucks a month. Listen if a breach can happen to

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the worst things that you do immediately mirrored bad at you and it's scaring the living. Maybe up, as did the traveller, is so even apparent, longer than I have so what what than some of the things that you wish you hadn't done. I feel like I've been true. I've done a lot of bad things. I've done I've made a lot of mistakes, see you need to ask, hush into my wife, I should tell you are- or my son James he's sitting right over here. He could probably tell you that the biggest mistakes I've made, but I'm so gun shy to really talk about machine mistakes that I've made. Worldwide on the world wide web, because everyone loves to exploit those things. You don't you slip up with one thing and it's just like look at how hard So I think I need a little more time yet no worries me now. I hear that the aid is. It is a very serious culture. Right now I will put get pictures, my kids up this morning on social media, about how my my kids are finally and in the star wars, which is fine because no indeed ensure that intervene. Heaven I favour battles. May my my son we haven't, we have

now a video in its adorable, but I can't put that upon social media, because people are horrible and age they will go after it. Is it really is terrible, you're somebody's the public dialogue. Learn I have in hell How are you able to maintain action remedies, really device question: how are able to maintain protection of your kids being in the public eye as much as you are, Somehow we were able to really does not have pictures of our kids or anything on the internet for the longest time now, once our kids had phones and then got thrown Instagram account, you know they're going to post as much as is as they can. Another kids are older, it's a bit different, but but yeah we were very similar, waited that you knew I feel about that. We wanted to protect our care than like if someone's gonna get upset with me. Get upset with me if, if someone wants to show up- but you know and- and you have a conversation with me like I don't want you to know where I live, and actually you know have my kids answer the door or have you come after my kids or say mean things about them, so we just we just kept that real quiet. I was diligent about it and I think it

it turned out. Ok, so I think people look at religious people, I'm precipitate their personal faith, but when people look at religious people, they tend to think Listen, the secular community. Look at that happier. Yet look at that. Look at that. Guy he's so happy all the time. Doesn't he understand that we are all going to suffer that we are all going to die that things are bad in the world. Have they haven't ever struggled with faith in its point of high irritation? For me, as a person, if it because I have yet to meet a person whose actually religious who's never struggled at all with faith, so where some of the ways in which you struggled with your own faith over the years, the ways in our struggle with my faith over the years, you know, I think I've never wanted to be someone who believed in fairy tales or be accused of some. As of the accused of being someone who believes in fairy tales

coming from an atheistic background or just sort of secular humanist background, I wanted to really make sure and why I felt like have. I Williams examined all the evidence. How can you be so unlike SAM Hairs, or how can they have these other people who are so intelligent, clearly you know, they ve got a size, ten brain and in minds not that that size, but. I believe that that, if I sincerely do the best, I can, if I have faith, if I believe- and I ask- I believe- is kind enough to reveal himself to me, and so I have struggled with the certainty that the intellect and the reason verses versus the faith, and I dont think that their pitted against. One another by any means. In fact, I think they they go very well together, but sometimes I get in two putting them against one another and wondering you know is this: is there some stone? I have not yet uncovered, do salon unravel everything that I that I believe and

the more and more that I examine those things, and I ask those deep questions. The more and more. I believe that my faith in God has been well placed end well when it comes to your mind are all of your kids people. A faith is well. You know, I think, they're. Yes, I would they, so they certainly grew up with a lot of faith in our home. But that's something that's so personal that I can say we go to church or we don't go to church or or this or that, but in terms of like a living, vibrant relationship with God, where I talked to God, I I believe the God directs me. That's something that so personal that I think it's sort of honour. You know it's it's something that's in seed form with some of our kids and it's something that's maturing and bearing fruit with others. So he's hustler bitterly about the values that under the country, when we look at the state, the country doubts it so divisive everybody seems to be at each other's throats. What do you think is the biggest problem

seeing the country in terms of the country coming if using its coming apart. While I want to ask you that question now you're you're more position tat the answer that an end and I feel I feel like maybe my role in the public square, Sometimes I wonder what. Why does anybody care? What would make Seeber has to say after all these years? You know why my sitting here with with you and and and I think that that I've been given a platform and and perhaps my role is to continue to point people not towards specific details of of what's getting everybody fighting with one another, but point them higher to the larger principles at play. That historically have given us a country where we can debate about these things, and we can have respectful conversations and discourse about these things without killing each other over it and we have

freedom of speech and freedom of religion and- and we have these things that we all love and- and so I'm not sure if I could point to one particular issue, but I can point to the principles that will solve that issue and I think that's why I'm trying to focus my energy not on everything and interests me or fascinates me, but on the areas where I think I'm uniquely position to make a difference and that's why I made a documentary, Monumental are movie like fireproof, and I'm doing these Marian parenting things. You still have a lot of friends in Hollywood. Obviously, and are there No there's some consumers in Hollywood aren't are there any religious people? I would He will be shocked to learn how many religious people were they shocked me Lord, have you religious people? There are in Hollywood, yet that that's a good question. I think that.

I mean it's amazing to me when you grow up in LOS Angeles shoot. You had this impression that there are no, not very many. People have faith, eaten just in LOS Angeles but like around the world like like eighty ism, is dominating the world. That's just not true. This statistic that I've read our that well over ninety four, none of the world is very religious, different religions, but people are people of faith and so here and Only. What I think that there are more people have faith than you would think that that people would say but many of them are very cautious about expressing that faith. Many people think that, like what I've done like talking about my faith would be sort of suicide for a career you haven't, I have faith in it in a faithful God. Is opened up doors so that I can continue doing what I love and I think it's really helping people and so I think more more people have faith, you'll see come becoming out of the closet and not just in Hollywood

but all around the country in the world. People are making projects where faith is at the centre because it does well to box office, and so I think, that's encouraging and drawing people out, rather than being afraid of the faithless in hollywood- and this is one of the questions that I've gotten a lot from conservative friends might in Hollywood, is how quiet should I keep this? Should I come out of the closet? Just be conservative and honestly, I've had to say it's. It's really is. For you to answer is only under the risk factors involved with your career with again and using an income, and that with your kids in all of this, but I mean you just see the social sanctions that are brought to bear on people just foregoing two particular charge. Remember Chris Pratt going to a church there was considered. Pro traditional marriage. Suddenly he was getting all sorts of lacking. Never made a statement on the issue of young way or another, and so the idea of people in Hollywood just beginning to come out and say: yes, I'm a person of faith. I voted. Regularly? I'm a bible believer. It seems like the social sanctions, probably straw soldier, advised me people who haven't on what you have done in just cut it,

said, listen here, so I am in here's. What I believe and deal with it personally you'll knew at once right you are the only ones that I would say go with your convictions. You know you I'd want to look back and I wish I could do that over again. You know I just I wish I had some courage and I wish I didn't care so much about what other people thought. I I care about people, which is why I want to try to speak the truth and live the truth in in a compassionate way, and if I don't do that, I'm really not loving people, I'm really just sort of protecting myself in my career, witches selfish, so I say: go with your convictions. Only live once like do what you believe you're here to do so I don't mean to sound selfish, but you brought me a gift. I've I've that there is a grave yes, I did I way I mean I'm very eager to give it to you. Ok, excellent tat, is amazing and also large, that is enough. Double enlarge and what it? What is this? Ok, so so so

I'll tell you what this is. So I made a vacuum entry several years ago called monumental in which I read trace the escape route of the pilgrims and the reason I made it was not for political reasons, but as a dad I'm going our country is, it seems to me like going down the tubes, so what do we need to do while the left blames the right, the right blames the left, the poor and the rich, the rich plain, the port unthinking. Why can't we just go back to what made this country so unique in the first place, so I went in retracing scapegoat of the pilgrims to figure out who they were. What did they do? Why did they come here and I and these were the the free thinking out of the box, faithful people who came here to do something that that in their minds, had not been tried successfully for three thousand years. Since the ancient Hebrew Republic under the leadership of Moses. I mean that they felt that the ancient heroes were given the divine constitution in the Torah and they wanted to import those principles.

Of liberty and justice to the new world, so our pilgrim forefathers inform others left us what I call the the secret sauce recipe for how to build a free and just society under the word of God, and they left it for us in the form of this monument which the real one is. Eighty one feet tall, it's a hundred ninety tonnes Of solid grant is the largest granite monument in America and its invisible Nobody knows it's their its hidden behind a forest of trees and Plymouth Massachusetts today and it spells out all the principles that you and I love- and this is a replica of it, so that peace, we can see it? You probably never heard of. It is called the national monument to the forefathers, and I I I hired the wet a workshop. Who does all the sculpt allow things to capture the detail and

If I can't I'd, lay additives. Explain it to you, please. I would love that. Ok, this is awesome. I can't I can't wait to explain this to you, so history tells us that our forefathers inform others believe this that to have a functioning society that was free. You had to start with what this area, faith and faith is the largest of all of these figures and she's pointed to Heaven and she's got a book in her hand. It happens to be the Bible that was the Geneva Bible brought over by the pilgrims on the Mayflower. Feeder on Iraq and that's pill, but Plymouth, rock and ass. She has a start or forehead representing wisdom, and so they would reason from the scriptures to create their society. That check this out. Faith is then expressed in these four key ways- number one its first expressed through morality and morality is depicted as a woman here, holding the ten km amendments in her left hand and the scroll

revelation in her right hand, and that represents both the old and the new testament, but they believe that morality was not something that can be imposed externally by a king or a tyrant. So on the left it says evangelist. And they believe that that that that gods were needed to be made to be proclaimed. There was a transformation of the hard that the grace of God would change on the inside. So then you love the standard on the outside once you good morality, then you could make good laws in your nation and there's. The judge is sitting on his his chair and he's holding the book of law and his book is directly beneath the book. In faiths hand, which is the scriptures signifying that man's laws must line up under guard laws. Are there any good laws, and- on his right. It's justice on his left is mercy, so there had to be a balance between justice and mercy. Once you have civility in Europe in your society, then you can educate your kids, there's a mother there or or apparent whose wearing a wreath of-

three holding the book of knowledge on her right. It goes right back to the book of proverbs. There's the youth because they believed if you train up your child in the way they should go when their own, and here's the old man with a long white beard he's holding a globe and a Bible when he's old will not depart from it in his in his wisdom, so he has, local worldview. Once you have that to the second and third generation, they believe you come up with the result, which is liberty, and that was both liberty internally from sin pride, arrogance, selfishness and liberty, externally from tyrants and bad government, and if you look he's the chains on his ankles and his wrists or broken tyrannies been overthrown and his wife is here next him. Her name is peace and she's, holding a basket full of good things for her friends for family and her unity. So this was the sacred sauce recipe and its there for everybody to see an- and these are the kinds of values that I love, and I want to point people too. When was this built? This was actually completed in eighteen. Fifty

in? I believe it took fifty years to build and was actually interrupted by a little then called the civil war, and I interestingly, is Abraham. Lincoln was one of the very first contributors to the building of this monument, and there was an architect, Hammett Billings who actually did the dry. Lines for Uncle Tom S cabin and it was it was. It was an amazing time that this was built, and it is still too. Largest granite monument in America and its invisible nobody's ever heard of it, and you can't find it you know if less I tell you where to go, that's unbelievable! So what is the Barrack culture that gets always so wrong? I mean they do now everything's, giving there's a there's a bit. Fuss over the pilgrims and how the pilgrims were actually oppressors and how this civilization coming to this. This hemisphere was. It was a bad thing, we're where we missing the boat here, I'm not I'm not sure exactly. And I'm not exactly sure, but I think that if if, if I think often people find what you're looking for

you know, and if I'm looking for these kinds of principles, I can find them. I can find them, particularly in history, and when I go back and I looking at cultures and Nations that abide by these kinds of principles and values. Good things result every time we get away from them. Bad things result. So you know faith is, in God and liberal is the result boy. If we put our faith in the state or faith in the government of faith in in something other than the kindest, most benevolent person in the universe? I think what happens the changes, your morality it chain, just the laws that you passing your nation. You teach those things to your kids and you dont end up with liberty, men as the result you end up with the law I and of tyranny and liberty. Man's life hanging out of the lions mouth, and I fear that that

so many nations have gone that way and that we may go the same if we don't get back to what works. Well. Emanate spend a moment during our work to put this in my house and I'm thinking my way I'd stand, by that I do not actually want to have a word of civil right over there, so I actually have the smaller one for you, I eventually Lando gigantic. Why? Because I have one, that's half the size and up this one is. I want to give this went to the president I want to give one to the vice president to all politicians, presidents of universities, ministers and parents who want to teach these things too. Kids? What? If what? If I use in a sort of an imposing intimidation fact for children, so they these? They said one day that you think they were images wake up and they will end right next to the effect that they opened their eyes in the morning in theirs their faith. Just looking roughly, I say you bet correct might have heard in a second. I want to ask you about Legal Lee kind of old conservative question, whether

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in politics in this is really a sort of arranging debate within the right in in recent days my old mentors Interbrew are used to say. Culture is upstream of politics that you got work first on changing the culture. That's what Hollywood did so Suddenly they changed the way we think about the world and then politics NASA. Early followed how we thought about the world, and then there are a lot of people who believe now the cultures been Largely lost in the only way to restore the culture is by grabbing the high reins of politics, and then to almost crammed down your viewpoint or instil your viewpoint. The education system. What do you think? You think that if you're a conservative and you have a hundred bucks to span you're gonna, give it away this year should be trying to put it into a sort of politics, or should it be to put it into either you charge on the one hand, or into like actual cultural pursued that are not necessarily gesture church, so be a guy who's in the entertainment industry. I'm not saying this just because I worked in this space, but I really do think that Instagram and Facebook is influencing my child

when more than just about anything else. That I can, I can think of in the political world. So I think that that politics is downstream of culture as well. As you mentioned, I think that the hearts and minds of young people are being formed and they vote. Accordingly, they pull those people in and then they passed those laws accordingly. That's why I think that we need good people in the entertainment industry in the places where stories are being told that are capturing the hearts and minds of people. So, while people may say like hey, let's, let's, let's get out of Hollywood right, that's that's a dark place. That's a dirty plays that you know they. They generate a lot of filth. Well, I think I think it's it's. Kind of like politics? You know if you don't like it change it so come on in and we need people who are going to assume positions of leadership in the entertainment industry and the storytelling world, because that's what our kids are listening to music and movies,

television and the arts, and and then they they seem to want to you know, bring those values too to bear in mind in the legal world and in the political world. So I can see your own parenting. How did you engage your kids in entertainment? How decide what you're, ok with your kids, watching what you weren't. Ok with your kids watcher! Well, when, when our his work where little we never wanted them to feel like they had celebrity parents and so well It would be an occasional hague. Hey can I have your autograph? We really didn't bring our kids into that world and accordingly, we didn't want to growing mean I didn't there. Wasn't a box set of growing pains episodes in our house that we watched it was, I love Lucy. It was the Brady Bunch and my kids really they really grew up on. I live Lucy. I mean that. That's where my lot of accurately their sense of humor is is, is Lucy, shoot you just hilarious and then, interestingly, none of my kids are really shown a strong interest in getting involved in it or to entertainment industry.

So my son, my son, James, I don't know he did the jury is out. He still may be interested in is, is pretty much about of entered dinner and a ham, so he might fallen my footsteps, but but we never really embraced the the Hollywood lifestyle. In the Hollywood circles of friends, we kind of lived on the outskirts, we're gonna live in more of a rural area for LOS Angeles and we spend our time outside in the mouth since hiking go into the beach. You know plain in the mud with our kids, much more so than really being part of a better entertainment industry scene interesting debates this broken out on the right is also debate about short of what is ok to watch is a religious person or as a conservative. So I have friends like David, French and David is, is very religious. He was aware further the lines defending freedom and filed lawsuits on behalf religious freedom. All over the country served in Iraq really really could do, but in David One had will be a gal watch came a thrones and I'll try and take the message. Eta gave a thrones, and then we obviously employment

well, if you're Walsh says they, we shall burn or television sets up where it would, You come down to. Where do you come down on a sort of? What do you think it's appropriate for religious people to watch, or how do you think religious people should should engage with entertainment? That that's a great question I would say: you're not can open up the Bible and- and it's gonna tell you what shows you shouldn't shouldn't watch something that I think there's principles so I'm I'm always looking as as I want to, integrity. I think integrity means who I am in public is gonna is the same as who I am in private, that I'm not I'm not. I don't have dual personalities and you know when I, when I'm watching television or I'm listening to music, I want to be the same. Person is going to be even when I'm in front of my kids, because I think like I want my whole lifetime and got the whole the whole thing I wanted all to be there. So so for us actually, television, just rarely on in our house. So for us we're we're watching the voice

or a basketball game or a football game and were watching you know chopped because we like the cook and invent, but that's the those assorted staples in our house. Not so the sitcoms or or or other one hour dramas or lord of the rings. We progress in all of those in a million times or so given yours of entertainment is what what do you guys do in your office hours? I in it's funny, I rarely see move It's like! I don't even really liked to go to the movies Argosy with my friends and errors or something that's important or I'll go see it, but in our off hours it's really kind of boring, which we like being home we're just like being with each other. I travel quite a bit, and so when I'm home, like this month, has just been awesome. I've been home for a whole month, and so I'm putting up Christmas. Lights, I'm waiting in the garden I'm like scorn, so many husband points by cooking from my wife and I she's an amazing cook, but I'm just like honeys. Let me go in there

in that for a month and I'm just making fantastic things. This Bobby flay Berger that I came that I came across is awesome. You gotta make a few. I shall love it when first, I can definitely used to score. Some of those points That's that sounds perfect I'll I'll. Definitely here for their rest. I'll give you I'll give you two. Could it be that the app that I use Citrate so even one What short the ear of me too, and one of the things that's been interesting watch- has been how Hollywood has done me too because obviously meet you started in Hollywood and then how his immediately decided that its tolerance place lecture the rest of America on me to which has been quite amusing. The same people who held up Harvey Wednesday, moral here over for decades have now decided that they get to that the Oscars explained to the rest of their exactly how terrible it has two major mystery when they wish. Some us already actually knew You ve got you had this rule for for quite a while that you will has any woman who is not your wife. Onscreen are also have when When did you decide to implement that role given factor an actor? I don't want married

I think it is just husband, one or one. For me I was pre pre simpler. I made a promise to my wife at the altar. I figure, like you, know, other than being an actor guys. Don't have this understanding with their wives that they get to go to work in Kosovo. Married to sort of like everybody gets a free pass in my business, and I was like now my wife, not internet I like it s not a good idea, I want I want. I want a great marriage, and so overcome I've ever been reading a script in others, and there are some that way because you got there has not yet and so not not often, but but if it has any others but other times, unlike you get so many more people to do the same and issues not just kissing writers like here in bed with somebody rather than in so, but you know, it's nothing. It's Pedro dividends in my marriage. You know and believe me, I am I'm so thankful to have a wife who still loves me after twenty nine years. I wouldn't do everything they can to honour her, and you know I think I think everybody would like to have the

confidence and trust in their spouse that, even when they're not around there that that there that they offer they think they are. You know and that's and that's really will strike to be so I want to ask you about this amazing new pro life movie. They are coming out of your telling you a little bit about it before the show, and it sounds incredible, but if you want to hear about it, you have to daily wire dot com. Slash subscribed, give us your money. You can hear the end of our conversation over there for thinking. So we're coming by really appreciated eighty greater authority. If you enjoyed this episode, dont forget to subscribe, and if you want to spread. The word please give us a five star of you and tell your friends to subscribe were available on Apple podcast, Spotify and wherever he goes into podcast also be sure to check out the other Delaware Podcast, including the Andrew Craven, show that Michael Malta and about while show thanks for listening.

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