We were in Japan, walking into bilateral meeting with Prime Minister obey and the President, who has every reason to be focused on the meeting in front of him and not concerned about you know, I feelings or where I am stops and says hold on eternity, looks right in the eye and he said SARA. The only reason they come after you is because you're good at your jobs, the job of the White House Press secretary, tends to be a revolving door of appointees. Bill Clinton had fun, I've, George W Bush had, for our Barack Obama had three and president from now on his stiff. If you count then you scare emerging well scary. Movie was only there for eleven days and its predecessor shown by sir. It was therefore a hundred eighty two days, the press, and found his stride with Sarah Huckabee Centres, who held the job just shy of two years I joined the White House as Deputy press secretary, which put her in many circumstances, filling in four shown spacer, including during the controversial dismissal genes combing two months after that July twenty seventeen she was made Whitehouse press secretary, having been Would the president for nearly half of his term? Sir

for a lot of events in the from presidency like the DE nuclear radiation meetings between Kim Jong OWN and president from which will discuss here new book, speaking for myself, faith freedom The fate of our lives inside the Trump White out a memoir. With lots of stories behind the scenes. Look at working closely with president today, we'll dive into those stories plus Donald Trump and Sarah Father might Huckabee. Former governor and republican presidential candidate are different and how they're the same? If we should remove cameras from White House press briefings altogether the challenges, the president's unpolished style, often create for press secretary. Even welcome MRS the bench, a parachute Sunday Special just reminder be doing some bonus questions at the end with Sarah, the only waiting access to that part of the conversation is to become a member had on over the daily, where it can become a member of access to all of the full conversations with every one of our awesome

guess: Sarah Huckelby Centres, these emotions, running the show how thanks so much for have may is going to be with you. So why don't we begin with what's happening next, our first question. I asked you off the air, so there is a lot population when you left the from administration that you'd be running for governor of Arkansas. So that's a thing correct, defiling very soon, yes about it. Right now, my focuses twenty twenty on help the President get reelected I'd love to make sure that the Republicans hold the Senate. I'd love to see us take back the house utter the word speaker policy again, so I am putting all my energy and focus right now into twenty twenty after that I'll make a decision about twenty twenty two, but definitely very serious about so it. Let's talk about the dynamics of of the twenty twenty raised start with that, then we'll get a sort of your experience is the White House in and all the rest, you talk about all this in your book I am not speaking for myself. So what's, let's talk about the twenty one year. Obviously one of the big, this convention is present trumps personality. Joe Biden has tried to make the sewing completely about president drums personality. Suggestion

the Joe Biden of courses, captain empathy or, as President Trump is mean cruel orange bad man ends and its we working by pulling data at least thus far up until we have a supreme court stuff plays out so knowing president. What do you make of that particular contrast? Why I think there's a couple things one I'll a lot of times. I will tell people to look at the substance over the style. You may not like the way that the president- Russia's every issue or we Iraq's with people, but he's delivered on this, that he set out to do. I think, the court's being a huge one, Certainly, you gonna be a big focus over the last little over a month that we have leading up to the election. He's already put two Supreme Court justice and more than two hundred justice is around the country. I think that'll be one of the president's biggest and most, lasting legacies and one of the areas of substance that point too, with the president. Historic trade deals, the defeat of ISIS tax cuts, he's governed as a true consort

and so I always point people to the substance of who he is. I also got to see that empathetic side from the president, I spent almost every single day with him for two and a half years in the White House, and he was the person when liberal women were attacking me and trying to attack family over everything from my hair and my make up my fitness to be apparent, even my ability to bake a pie. It was the president who empowered me and defended me and gave me confidence to keep fighting, and so I try to show that other side, particularly my book, but every day I want people to know the Donald Trump that I got to know the look. Let's talk about the sort of gaps in the policy and in the personality, so you know, as site or another I've never met the president. Then there seems to be a pretty wide gap and of American seem to perceive this. They know, president trumps a showman. He says a lot of things, many many things and in those very often contrast with a lot of the policies youth, as you said, so you have the job of Frank rectify these.

Things in public as the press secretaries. How did you How did you balance that? Because we could see from outside that, sometimes you would say one thing, and then you would repeated and then twenty four hours later he would he would move in another directions at home, lady, you hold all that together I mean it's some days. It was not always easy. I mean the, but the president's job was to make my life is. It was to do what he thought was best fighting on behalf of the american people, and things are always remind people of is that I was Spokesperson, no one elected me to anything in that role. They elected Donald Trump. They wanted. To be the one to set, agenda, make the decisions lay. There were moments where I didn't agree, and I made that point to him and I had a good enough relationship with him. I could speak very candidly, however one The decision was made and we were move in forward. It was my job to go out and communicate the president's thinking and where he was on a particular topic at that moment, so always did the best. I could one thinks it was very important throughout the process was spent

a lot of time with the president and knowing where he was knowing how his surgeon, may have evolved from one place to the next and being able to try to Explain that to the american people, despite the fact he was often at odds with the press, he still understood the power of the press, knew that it was important for me to be in the room when those key decisions were happening and to be part of that discussion, not trying to learn at all on the back end, and so it was one things. I was very Pressure of the presidency took me with him everywhere. So I had to, RO seat. Ability to really be part of the discussion as it was happening, not learning it on the back and- and I think that make a huge difference in my ability to to speak on his behalf. How do you do with the issue of twitter? Obviously, you you'd be in the middle of a press conference and he'd be live tweeting certain things

Andy and it didn't to me that there had to be a certain amount of caution, caution the applied when your answering the question, because you might not literally no what he thought about a particular issue as well as being asked, and then the president very angry you for not giving a definitive answer right now right on the spot, because you making assumptions about what the president thought and I've talked to denigrate the programme. Indian obviously was press secretary for George W Bush and her suggestion was that you can a new where Bush was times into she could serve go of human kind and know where he was going to be at all times and because President from has so much of a direct voice directly to the american public. It seems like that made your job a little bit tougher why are there were many days really early in the morning. You wake up at five o clock. Your talk into mourning show producers in you think that the message of the it's gonna be one thing and by six thirty, the president's tweeting in the mess of the divergent something totally different, and so you have to be able to adapt I think one of the most important things is to be fluid, not be so hard and fast like. This is what we're doing we have. No.

I'm too like deviate and move and being able to do that enabled me to be able to work with them as a very closely and not create a lot of friction between the two of us just like an hour and talk about the presses characterisation of your job. What was those to be how you did it all of their first we're gonna talk about your sleep quality. I can always say when I have not slept well and you can tell because you watch the show- and I have not slept well- and that is why I need you sleep well, which is why I have a helix sleep. Mattress helix sleep has acquired. It takes us two minutes to complete matches your body type in sleep, references to the perfect mattress for you on your side, sleeper or hot sleeper, worthy like a plush or from bad with helix, no more confusion, no more complex. And he would sleep is read it. The number one mattress by geek you and Wired magazine CNN and even called it the most comfortable mattress they ve never slept on and that's how they are telling the truth. Just go to heal extinct outcome slash Ben take their two minutes, sleep was, they will match to customize mattress that'll, give you the best leap of your life. You ve, gotta tenure, warranty you get to try it out hundred night risk free though even pick it up for

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and then they ask you how you feel about the Nike brand choose on a specific day like that, that's literally not your job. Your job is to defend the president's policies, and everybody knows that and so why it's like the press is engaged in this. This gas lighting, where their characters what they wanted you to do was different than they ever demanded from any press secretary that I can remember yet, and it goes back I was saying before like at the end of the day. No one voted for my name was on the ballot. My opinion wasn't what the american people not only wanted to hear, but earth to hear they needed to know what Donald Trump the person at the end of the day, making the decision felt on the matter, and so there was a constant push back of them. Trying to put me into a place where I was giving my opinion they get very angry when I didn't do They got angry with me about a lot of things, and I think that role. Changed a lot under Donald Trump because he does talk so much to the press himself. That change the dynamic. I think of you know the interaction between them

Secretary in the press when things a lotta people mess as they think the press secretaries only job is the briefing and they forget or don't know that Almost every rapporteur in the country, particularly those that are assigned to cover the White House, have the press secretaries phone number email and direct access to their office. I was talking to the press all day every day, starting from again for thirty five o clock in the morning until midnight every night working stories giving information answering our questions, so even when you're, not in that briefing room, you're still constantly interacting with the press. In fact, it was a lot more productive outside of the briefing when you had people who trying to get information for the story. Verses people who, like Gemma, cost a consulate to be the story instead of report, the story which is really what the briefing room became away for a lot of reporters to make a name for themselves and try to have these viral.

That's where they get into arguments with the press secretary and raise their own profile that the purpose of it, I think changed drastically. From the end of the Obama Minute nation, to where we are now the thing is clearly true. I think part of that is obviously the allegiance of any of the press to a lot of saint principles that are bomber hell, but it also had a lot to do with, with their particular hatred. For tromp I mean there's a transfer entrants interim in the press and combined with the fact that a lot of lucrative book contracts to be got it. If you can be a gym, accosted type and Ladys find you a man who loves you like him across the loves, Gemma. Cossack. That's loves infantry, Bokassa in India, with that I mean I. I had suggested that frankly, I thought you'd be productive for just like with congressional hearings the tv cameras to be out of there actually is, is wildly counterproductive? To basically me, up a scenario where we make reporter stars for asking a question that isn't really a question is basically a haranguing statement for forty five seconds. Why don't you agree with me that the president's very that Orange man whose bad an orange and then expect you to So the question: do you think that

your administration should consider basically saying you know what we're gonna do. These Prescott will do these pressures, but we're gonna do them off camera so that you ask serious questions. I think that there could be a scenario in which that is a fact of one of the only advantages of having the camera in the room was that I think the american people did get too. Just how out of control the press became if you hadn't had, cameras, I dont think people that supported the press That would know how bad the press had gotten over the course of those first couple years and off so there is, I guess, maybe a little bit of a silver lining as people got to see the truth of Jamaica, pasta and others grandstanding in the room and giving you know five minute monologues speeches before they ever got to your question, and so people would constantly ask me: why do you call? Why would you even call on Jim Acosta just ignore him? I might because I want people to know

why'd. You know it's really like in that room and if the press has the Jimmy Costly gets to be the face of the press, I can argue with that not a bad place for us to be mean, as you say, he's out of a lot of these people off camera and you don't love them on camera. I've noticed that I have a lot of conversations folks and laughed at or on radio or on camera, and there is very often it's very different off camera people suddenly become a lot more willing to talk. They become a lot more moderate. They become a lot more personable. Did you people the same jackasses off camera that they were on camera oppressor somewhere some were better some worth the same. There were its devil, I think, a lower temperature from the majority of the press in off camera back and forth, but the hypocrisy was just as bad lemme give you. Ample so the day, Thou, the president announced I would be leaving the White House a group of reporters came into my office there like we're so sad or leave ain't like we worked so well with you, ve been great one.

Order, which I won't name names but is cry in my office, actual tears. She as rapporteur on one of the major tv at works and fast forward to the following hey, I'm sitting in my office and she pops up, and I see on the ticker tape they're talking about me ass. I turned the sound on and she like, like in mind less than twenty four hours before she's crying. Oh my office on me, she's gonna, miss me. We ve had a great work relationship now, she's on camera, saying I'm, It was only a matter of time. She lost all credibility she had to go, though the relationship between her press was too much. This was what needed to happen, and I my are you it ain't me, your literally like had tears in her eyes. Yes, I would now like. I had to go so I think there was such a intense dislike towards the president that so often I think reporters even if they had working relationship with you at the end of the day they hated Donald Trump, so much more

then they could ever like you that it wasn't going to able to wash it away I wonder if the members, the press, understand it- deserve Kabuki theatre, that their constantly playing has real work world world consequences that, when you demonize somebody day in and day out publicly and then unites them behind closed doors that when they got in public, they can get accosted. That obviously brings up the situation that you had eating in a restaurant with your family. Where proprietor of the restaurant basically toss you out of the restaurant, maybe can talk about that. Little but sure I was in Lexington Virginia at the Red haired I'd had a pretty intense work week. I drove on from DC to meet my husband, his extended family. At this rush run, I walk and I've been there a couple minutes. The owner comes over and asked to speak with me. I think sure how nice it wants to say for civic rights, what I didn't rises shacks actually wanted to kick me out of arrest after letting me. No, she, though, is a horrible person. Didn't belong in their community, and she asked me to leaves. I said: ok as she was like frantically,

and a video me leave vein. I whispered to my husband. I've been kicked out. We leave what a lot but I don't know, and I write about it. My book is the second part that my husband, I went home and the rest of his family went to a restaurant the street in the restaurant owner actually followed them to. The second restaurant gathered a group of their friends and protested and harass them outside of a second restaurant and all one of the members of my family came out and said, look says that here we actually several of us voted for Hillary Clinton when anyone Beaufort on I'll try. Why go home here? I hope our cause and there is actually a pretty nice person, so be like great. If we could have dinner with our family and so they eventually left, but the level of hatred to not only kick me out, but then follow the rest of my family protests them at a second restaurant, where I'm not even present,

I think just shows the level of hostility and how out of control the radical left has become in, and it seems like this is now a national problem. Let us you are the first kind of public phases. Happening, but you saw people descend on Togo, Carlson's house, you ve, seen people just eating Tria restaurant in Washington DC, like normally on the street. Now in your seeing black lives matter, protesters invade the restaurants, drink people's drinks, shouted them demand that they hold up. Fast in solidarity and all the rest. You moron politics for awhile. While where do you think this level of animosity has come from because it is. It is something that is elevated Member being pretty during the during the Bush years of Bush Hitler and Bush no blood for oil. In all this. This is an entirely new level. It seems to me I've never seen anything like this and again growing up in politics. You're you to the intensity. I was prepared going into the White House that we will challenged on our policy on the president. Gender. I knew

that it would be difficult and we would have to fight back. I never was prepared for the level of personal attacks that would come. You know I was the first White House Press secretary in the history of our country to require secret service. They don't give you that just because people say mean things it was. There were credible threats against me, my family, that's when it became very difficult to as apparent I know, you're apparent and knowing that your job is directly impact in the safety of your family is real. Hard to process- and me it's hard to keep fighting at the same time. It also embolden do to me sure that you don't let the radical left when that you don't let them the? U N, to being afraid, be who you are or ashamed of standing up for what you know to be right, and so, while it was difficult, it was important for us as a family to hold our heads high and keep fighting and keep pushing, and so we ve tried to do that and try to make sure our kids know. To do the same? For a second, I to ask you about your rules

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oh you know is interesting that the liberal women were the meanest, a nasty us all in the area of women's empowerment, which was pretty shocking. You would think even if we could politically disagree. Agree that it's good to see women rising up in the ranks of the third woman to be White House Press secretary, the very first mom to ever hold that job. You would think that would be a point of pride for all women, but unfortunately, The radical left women only are about women's empowerment as long as you think like they do talk like they do and believe in them things that they do. That only applies to that sector. If your conservative woman, then there not for the empowerment of that side, one of the incidents as prior while the most powerful for me personally my time at the White House. It was after and allay times reporter had marked my appearance, a pretty mean way so much so that they eventually had to retract part of the story, because it was

hateful which, as you know, that is not something they do regularly. In the I times, it was right after the correspondence dinner image been kind of a rocky time, even like a lot of my colleagues did know how to address it, so just kind of ignored bringing it up by. We were Japan, walking into bilateral meeting with Prime Minister Abbaye and the President, who has every reason to be focused on the meeting and on of home and not concerned about. You know my feet means or where I am stops and says hold on. He turns he looks me straight in the eye and he said SARA you're, smart you're beautiful and the only reason they come after. You is because you're good at your job and then in very colorful, words that I won't repeat on here. He says: don't let them get you down kind of slaps me on the children's like now. Let's get back to work and so in that moment he's the one that realized, like. I needed encouragement sent the women on the left that were standing for me, but it was Donald Trump and to have him

as the ally and the one to empower me. Certainly, I think propelled May and gave me reason to keep fighting knowing he waved and may entrusted me to carry his message. How did you do the slings and arrows on a personal level? I mean obviously, if you're in space, you're you're gonna get us remember that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt at all. I think that there is this misperception and the general public if you spend your life in politics in your attacks. Will that sort of the normal day's work and ever feel the you never feel the pain. But obviously that's not true. How do you deal with that? Certainly, there are moments that are pretty difficulty. You know, and people are saying really horrific things about you. I don't think anybody, no matter how tough they are, can just completely block it out. So there are days where it gets to you, but I tried, as light not allowed the distractions to tee me away from what I came there to do, and knowing that I had a family that supported me, love me no matter what I had friends that did the same and, frankly out of faith that defined

Knowing that I had a god who had created me for a specific purpose gave me confidence. To block out. I didn't need the New York Times or the Washington Post or anybody else to define me creator who had already done that, knowing that and no who I was as a person before I ever stepped onto that stage or stood behind that podium gave me what I needed to keep going and keep fighting. So you actually had a very long tenders press secretary. We know that some people did not have quite as long as tender as press secretary in the in the Trump administration by by the actions of our producers. You lasted for sixty four point: zero, nine scare, votaries, etc, who? What is its hate to be able to last? That long in a job is volatile as this one. What I mean, I think, in large part having a good relationship with the president may all the difference they will have candid conversations with him and feeling like I knew where he was coming. It wasn't always perfect, certainly I'd moments where I made mistakes, but I had it

enough relationship with him that when those moments came, we fought through it and moved on. But him trusting me and having confidence in me to carry his message. A huge difference, but also having a really good team around me and feeling like I was prepared when I step there every day was impair. Four may survive some of the most difficult days, but at the end of the day, it really came down to having a very good and strong foundation on the present. I also had the advantage of going. Second, I tell people that all the time sharing aye sir, had an impact what job on a on any day, but he had to do it before any of the rest of us, and so getting to be his deputy. I learned things that didn't work things that didn't work and so having that six months- or a little less than that before I actually had the full job helped prepare me.

Big. Why so? I had to think highly makin. It he's doing now that Europe no longer there, I think, she's doing great. I think she is given it back to them as much as that. He gave it to her and she is tough, something all our people may not know Kelly and I both had we like to say we learned from the one of the best in the business. I'm a little biased she actually, in turn, for my dad, is one of her very first jobs out of college and worked on his show. It fox, and so we had a good mentor early days to give us a good foundation on how to fight back so you mentioned that you're, the first mom to be pressed secretary, I see a married. I have a wife was a doctor Andy. We have three children who are under the age of seventeen. That means that contradiction Our opinion can't have it all, and that means that there has to be certain balancing act that goes on to my wife has chosen a times to take off work. She chosen a times to work full time right now, she's working programme, but I think particularly women are bar

in a particular situation because they want to spend a lot of time with their kids where they have to decide how balanced. Though I saw how did you decide how to how to make that balance? How that balanced work someday, What really well and other days had been more quite his horse had hoped in a we tried who engage our kids. I tried to take them with me when I could so that they can see what I was doing, I wanted them to know why we were making sacrifices. Family that we were, and when I couldn't and when I couldn't be there in the moments that I was to be home. I tried to be really intentional. With my kids put my phone away sure they knew, even if it was now ten. Its or a full day? No way that my time in that moment was all about them and that they were a priority and so looking for moments, I could really have that there are some really great stories about my it's coming with me who work something that ended pretty poorly, must gotta hold my phone at one point, my workforce,

I'd set aside and not locked, and I was doing some there with my daughter. I come back. I pick it up. I realize I have like D. Friends of calls and emails and text messages from Europe There's like Sarah. What are you saying? What are you trying to tell us? I'm like? Oh, my gosh, what's goin on April, I get worse something because I have so many myths calls only. I find an email where there's a tweet embedded in it and it wasn't my boss it was mine and hoc hawk. My four year old at the time, had put a tweet out on my official White House count full of emerges, that was trains and stop lights in boats and cars. Thankfully it was infrastructure wakes up perfectly message. Otherwise he would have been a lot more trouble, but there are definitely my very challenging mom moments, but at the same time, I want my kids to live in a country that is, amazing? As America is right now and it's simple for us to be involved. If we want to continue to have America hold the values that are so unfair for our family. We have to fight for that. It's not gonna just happen,

especially now. I don't think there's ever been a time, that's more important for us to stand up for what's right and to be willing to make some sacrifices its. One of the reasons we continue to want to serve at the same time for the reasons I left the White House is because there are a lot of people that can be White House press secretary. At the end of the day, I'm the only one that can be the mom to my three kids and I wanted to take that time. You spend a lot more time with them over the course of the next couple of years, especially before they become teenagers and frankly, I dont be basing with this and public anymore side strike, while the iron is hot and get in some good quality time before too embarrassed to be seen with us, but finding that balances hard, but having a good partner, makes a big difference and my husband helps with everything and keeps our family afloat, and then just looking for moments to be intentional. I think, for us has been what helped us get through hedge me. Your husband He worked on my dad's campaign. I was actually his boss.

That is our problem. There I mean, you know, is a campaign, so every good campaign usually has at least one marriage. My dad didn't become president that here by, I did get married and he got three green kids out of the deal's. I tell him all the time and it worked out in some ways, but he's fine Kansas from Kansas he'd been working for SAM Brown, Bacchus was in two thousand and eight on his paw It's all right and one brown back got out of the race. He actually came out to volunteer, if or weeks on my dad's campaign and never went back. We hire them on the spot pretty quickly after he started. And shortly after we started dating, and here we are ten and a half years and three kids later. So what best days per secretary. What was your worst days? Press upwards my hardest day,

and I dont know if it was the worst but billows defiling the most difficult was the day of the LAS Vegas shooting and knowing. I would be the first voice from the administration to speak to the country, trade. That was hurting. That was grey vain and I knew there were no words, I could offer? That would provide real comfort, but that I had to come out and do the best. I could to offer something. To a country that was heard in the way it was an the worst sponsor quality of that way, really heavily on me, so that was definitely the most difficult. I think that I had in the administration the hardest the best day We had a lot of good days, despite all of the nasty This and all of the negativity like I loved the people that I worked with, and I really loved working for the President he's a very fine person to be around here. A bigger than life personality, a great sense of humor.

And some of my favorite moments where, at the end of the day, sitting the back dining room with the president, one or two other people visiting and hearing him tell stories from life before president and some of the things we had witnessed in white house. So there were a lot of good there's one a pride. The coolest things I got to do was at the Uk State dinner and to meet the queen is pretty cold care, who you are like that's a fun thing to do, and so that was a big moment and the president actually selected me to set at his table on the night after four the reciprocal dinner- and I sat next to the present, Prince Charles and had an hour and a half to visit with him, which was pretty fun, knowing that the president had picked me and given me that sea, when it could have gone to any now,

of other higher Rankin individuals or donors, or whoever else, and he picked me to have that seat was pretty remarkable can I ask you to take us behind the scenes House how the sausage gets maiden terms of communications policy over at the White House. But first, let's talk about the fact that your phone is discussed. Your phone- is a giant giant, germ magnet I'm going to carry it everywhere, and then you put it on your face. What are you doing? Everyone is aware of why you should wash your hand, but what am I third hand, you never wash your phone whenever your hands touch has passed to your phone, which is, should clean your phone with phone, so so pieces uv, see, light and their patented and clinically proven technology to kill. Ninety nine point. Ninety nine percent of germs, like he call I so Manila and the Golden flu virus phone, can charge charger phone in as little as five minutes? Phones, was the only consumer, uv sanitize or with three hundred and sixty degree disinfectant chamber that uses it new pieces of quartz glass to suspend your phone, making sure that Sides are disinfected Photoshop, as feed

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You know a sausage is being made with this administration more than any other, because there's been so much leaking because there has been so much heavy intends press coverage and because and again goes directly consumer lot. I mean that there is a widespread perception that basically, it's kind of catches catch him in the White House. How does actual comes policy get done while big, because the press, it is so hands on and enjoys speaking with the ass, as well as the public so frequently He has to be very much involved in that decision making. But when there are things particularly like policy were allowed. Where we have a longer lead. I think it's a very traditional shop in you, build out of a common plan you execute comes. By a you, build out surrogates and talking points and all of the things that, when you would, in any normal administration. Certainly take place in the Trump administration, however, we have a bigger microphone in our president than they have been in some previous,

and we use that to our advantage- sometimes it if its challenging sometimes sweet after work. Our way through a couple things by using their president and letting him because any time he speaks, we know it will be covered and- so finding the best ways to highlight a particular message and where we put him in turn, of a crowd or direct to more things like but always involving the president, is a big part of anything that we do in the Trump White House for communications toward the gray restoration for people who, like tromp or one vote for Trump and any say this a lot with the poles. Even among I is that forever we, that is good. There is a debate that is, it is not so that there is a tweet for for all ages for all seasons. There are always an end, so there a lot of people who were including me who have pretty the president's on these grounds, and I have said that frankly, I think that that's twenty twenty strategy's actually to follow the Joe model and go to the basement and lead Joe Biden me the issue, because if you look back sixteen basically

my theory is that whoever in election is a referendum on loses. I hadn't. Sixteen. The great misperception issues can be a referendum on President Trump. Instead, it was referendum on Hilary. Nobody likes Hilary, so Trump ended up president. If its Joe Biden is obviously trying to make this referendum on. Now there's a bit of an opening because of a vicious. I think we can discuss in a moment with the Supreme Cordon and radicalism ended, credit party, it seems that present, my one, I should receive a little bit. I Has there been any success in in in unplugging the found that really has personally body is to arm let to take the back seat, but I think that at the same time. While there are some people that would like to see him do that most of the people that support the president, love that he's out front. They loved that he is the one on the front lines. Every time fighting taking the questions, doing the punch back, and I think people find him refreshing because he's not a scripted row bodies, not your typical politician. It's one of the other reasons he wanted

explain not just the referendum on Hilary, but they wanted somebody who would do business different. They didn't want the status oh, and that was exactly what Hilary was offering was more of the same. They wanted somebody to come in and shake up Washington, and operate in a way that it never has before, and now he has a record of having done that and been successful. I think he should continue to focus on the fact he still do raptor. He is still the change agent. He is still the same god that he was in twenty sixteen, but now he actually has a record of success to back up how he has conducted himself over these past four years. He set out to do a number of different things, a lot of which he has done many of most people said. Not only would they not happen but would have the adverse effect they said he would absolutely crush the economy. He built a booming economy, they said there's no way he'll get tax cuts through he did it better rates than any one expected. Nobody thought he would defeat ice

Nobody thought he would move. The embassy were make any progress on peace in the Middle EAST and just in the last couple of weeks he has made significant progress more so than we ve seen in decades. Historic trade deals that haven't happen, in previous administrations and that everybody said were impossible. We get done he's delivered on those things. So now I think yes, continue being He has always been what I found empowered any time you trotted change somebody and make them something other than who they really are. It never works, and people pick up on a really quickly Don trumps, not change, people know who he is, but now as a record of accomplishment, to back up what he's been saying, what he's been doing, I think you should really focus on that below more disappointing. That message, I think I'll go a long way form in November. As being of that, obviously we have some debates coming up. This is gonna, be pretty momentous in terms the debate by the poles he's down pretty significantly nationally. It seems closer and in some of the swing state. So at the

what seems to be in the often under even most optimistic sort stands as repeated twenty, sixteen, where others, an election lost by eminent doktor of a victory by popular vote law, seems to be most of the forecast that are the most optimistic for present trump, which means yes and heavy lifting to do in the it's what you think is debate strategy should be because he's been focusing a lot on the fact that Joe Biden is diminished, which is pretty obvious to anybody who watches Joe Biden and we were starting from world ties pointless Joe Biden in the first place and in the press. Invoking a lot on that been rumours he's not prepping too much for the debates. What do you think the present ought to do with the debates, for, I think internalize the presence from prepping every single day? It's not like this is a new thing for him. He takes questions from all literally almost every single day, so he's got a lotta muscle memory, but Joe Biden certainly does have, because not only does he not take questions when he does their usually script

and softball questions, if the press actually pushes on Biden which I'll be shocked, if they do he's not gonna have that same foundation it The president has, because he does this all day every day. So the idea he's not prepping, I think he is doing some preparation but I also think everyday he's an office he's doing that one thinks he had. To do is what he did and sixteen, I think change. Some of the narrative and people need to be reminded of the things that he has accomplished in these last four years. You need to talk about some of the is that right now are frightened centre law and order being one of the biggest things up until this past week, when I think Scotus has certainly moved to the top of the west, but prior to that, every pulse just that law and order is top of mine, for the majority of voters. Protect only those undecided voters in the middle he's, the only care it in the race who has credibility to talk about standing up

fighting for law and order he's been doing since day, one sat knew for him. So I think that has to be a huge contrast point that he makes with button and he's gonna have to be the one that holds by speed to the FARC, as he cannot count on the moderators to be the ones to do that. I think he's pretty good at that, so her pretty safe on that front. The other thing is the economy. That's certainly a big topic for a lot of people. He should talk about his achievements there and what Joe Biden would do to the economy, to individual taxpayers and how that's going to impact them personally, he's gonna drive so much of it, and I think the president really rises to the moment. In these types of events, I expect him to do that. He asked two going on. The deck is fully stacked against him. Joe Biden, all he s really do is put a couple coherent sentences together and they'll say always: there is to buy performance, we ve ever saying so yes to be fully prepared for that, and I think he will

and then the demanding for Biden has remained alive and breathing and for the press I think he's gonna have to get pretty aggressive. She likes to do anyway, but I think the actually has moved run now. So that brings us to the question of the Supreme Court seed, so leaves in the press, pushing against. Idea that the trumps you can fill the sea which is absurd or that minimal couch vote on the seat. But it seems to me that the there is a real opening to hit by near here and then the opening is is that the Democrats have pretty openly. Face it incredibly radical position, which is that they want to kill the filibuster that they want to add states in the United States Senate with fifty one votes in the Senate, which is in saying that they want to pack the Supreme Court and effectively leads the dissolution of the country, because there is no come stands under which many of the states in the country are simply going to acquiesce to a federal government with fifty one percent of the votes in the Senate, basically Miss Rennie unconstitutional thing they want after having packed the court's teams, made them I'm pretty easily said Joe Biden. Listen you you want to be the guy. Who is

return to normal, see, you're gonna be the guy who is non volatile. I may be volatile personally, but I'm not the one claiming that I want to tear down the institution of the United States in it and the institution of the United States Supreme Court. So will you right here say that you're not going to get rid of the filibuster? Will you right here say you're, not gonna, unilaterally, add stately right here say the Unifil pack, the Supreme Court. I think that would be huge moment for the present I think, you're exactly right. I can t- certainly we're on from in Arkansas. People are not going to support just a total overhaul in a complete destruction. Of the institution of America, which is exactly what the radical left is pushing for. I mean look at what oh see said just this week or she said I hope this radicalized Asia you the idea that the President fulfilling his constitutional obligation. She hopes that that will push people to become more radicalized. Am I oh wait? What is that real life in she? Really say that out loud and she did.

And I find that terrify. I think, every person that Lubs America should be afraid of what Joe Biden and the Democrats boy should he be elected, and I think the present absolutely has to remind people of how far to the left. Burma has gone and really in charge of that party, because it's not Joe Biden he's already proven he doesn't have the nobody or the willingness to stand up to him, and so he will be completely and operated by that A whole raft of people, don't like that. I have one choice and that's Donald Trump. One of the things that I think is pretty astonishing is have oppressive, somehow tried to put the owners Republicans fulfilling a Supreme court's. He again, he had a rough job because your job was to deal with these people. Every single day mean we talked about sex. Difficulty of haven't you killed the slings and arrows? How difficult was it not to unleash on the regular basis from the podium for redeployment? It's where you have to really like almost count to ten internally, so that you don't like just

lose your mind and yell at them and said: are you crazy and there were definitely probably more moments that I wanted to, but at the end I knew that that wasn't gonna solving thing. They were hoping to push you to a place to explode or to break, and then they win and as hard as it was, I knew for myself for the present. I was gonna be a lot better. If I could keep calm, that's one things that I think, being a mom, probably really helped. Prepare me for being pressed secretary. Is your kids are constantly washing your patience and testing Yahoo as apparent, and so you get very used to say no alot, repeating yourself and having extreme patient, so as apparent slap pry helped keep me a little bit cool common cause, did in those moments where I didn't want to be too well, Can you know you want to go into politics mean your dad obviously was the the governor of Arkansas and they ran for president. At some point you say: maybe like Google Veterinary. Suddenly, together

Evelyn plenty of days rose like we're doing. I don't want anything to do with this crazy circus, but same time, I actually loved poet, from an early age when most kids were going to summer camp and go the poor, I was hitting Arkansas Festival Circuit, passing out flowers, asking people to vote for my dad, and I love you getting to see I stayed in that way, a loved getting to interact with people and then fast forward to once he was actually elected meeting people whose lives have been changed because of things that he had done as governor and so to see that come full circle is pretty powerful and I loved that got to do that with my dad. I worked on all of us campaigns from the time. The first time he ran, I was nine up until you know. Twenty pain when I was his campaign manager when you ran for president. So getting to do in that way, and for somebody that I really believe done, I think propelled made love politics as a whole. I've worked for

Amazing people, John Bozeman Tom, cotton, President Trump and so To do that. I think has for better worse, locked me into a life of politics, but I think I would I wouldn't change it or wanted. Something else. Anything else would be so boring after it was so what was the culture should like from working for your dad and campaigns to working for Donald Trump? They are very very on the lake and a great variety of ways, most obviously the euro. It is very overly religious guy and President Trump, obviously is not so what was the shift like you know in some ways there obviously polar opposite in terms of of personality, but they both were very much a populist message. What some things my dad was talking about as far back and away kind of main street America forgotten men and women was very close to what the president was talking about in sixteen and those were pillars for both of their campaign so part was one of the things that actually

made me want to support. Donald Trump was that message that was so similar to my dad's on style, they're, very, very different, but they also are very much their own person and I'll, never forget one day, my dad. This was actually when I was working lighthouse, but my dad it put out a tweet that was getting quite a bit of attention and Jerry Cushion said to me that I finally get it. He said now. I know why you're good at your job, he said I just ride back through some of your dad's tweets. He said, he's got a pretty hot twitter feed and I was like yeah. I'm used to working for somebody who speaks their own mind and is not controlled by the special interest or the donor class or anybody else. It was one of the things my dad was always an outsider. Even after having been governor for almost eleven years, he was never part. Of the establishment, and so, despite the fact that were very different people, they sort of operated, sometimes in the same way and you I liked that they were people who were

is their own person, no matter what so you seen government from sort of the state level and also from the federal level. So what what differences in? What do you think the role of the feds versus the state should be because that obviously is coming into very clear focus as the question for the future. As the federal government sucks up, more power becomes more centralized and his Democrats threaten to basically- subsume all the states under the rubric of the federal government, whining it's one of the reasons that it's scary what's happening at the federal German because they are trying to oh, so much on individuals, AIDS. We have to make sure I think at no. Has it been more apparent in decades how important it is to have strong governors and strong earth on a local level that are fighting back against some of the crazy. I said that we see so often the federal government outside of the president and you get to them just light of branches so broken they so polarized that they have become completely paralyzed is almost impossible to really get.

Don where we are right now, hopefully it after the election, and we see a little bit more ability to work together, but in for play right now, there's just no sense of working together at the state level still see some of that commodity, think it's why the reasons governors are so important is making sure that you have somebody there. That reflects the values that you have, because they may be. The only thing protecting you from an control federal government. They haven't been sort, but though, at the locusts of all the controversy for for several years, do you think that there, the red blue divide is bridge at this and because it feels increasingly like not me, we say this is a person leading accompany out of before NEA and interpreting Maharajah were I've spent my entire life here in our way, except for three years, whereas in Cambridge Massachusetts, which was no less blue, and and now we are moving to be dead. I tend nationals a blue area of Tennessee, but tell Us very red state,

and in its heels, increasing, like the sides are pulling apart. You think there's any coming back together. I hope so I'm very much an optimist, and so I want to build If that we can come back together, and I am hopeful that we can do it without having some type of major event. I think we saw glimpses. And not early days of the corona virus pandemic. You saw a little bit of the politics pushed away, I'm hopeful it doesn't take some major moment or something bad happened before people start to block pollen it's out again, but I want to be optimistic and believe that, at the end of the day, the good and people will outweigh the bad and that we can start focus. Little bit more on everybody's good. Instead of starting with what's wrong with somebody when you first medium. Instead of maybe there's something about this person, I could live how's. Your husband do with all this. He is one of the most laid back patient people of every day

honoured? I dont know that I could be married to anyone literally anyone else. That could be more perfect for me. He is just so patient, so supportive and he works, and the text as well. So I think he know a little bit about what he signed up for, probably not quite to the extent, but he really, I think, takes it one day at a time, sometimes its rush rain for him, because he wants to be able to be more protective and fight back in the the day that can be very challenging not to be in the middle and pushing back when somebody's attacking your wife. But you know we take up day and stride and he's a person of deep faith as well. I think that has really helped both of us get through even the most faculties. So what triggered your decision to leave the White House? You mentioned that You yet family concerns in Europe and more time with the kid you're gonna go back into politics here, pretty soon sounds like I, so what? What

It took the decision to MILAN We wanted to move our family from DC back to art and saw as a big priority for us for our kids to grow up there with family in Arkansas and friends there, and so that was a big piece of it. Also just wanting to have that time have a break away from the can City of Washington, being the White House Press Terry as a twenty four seven, all consuming job? You have no control over your schedule. And so are really wanted some time to be able to do with my family. We wanted to move before this we are started so my kids could start at. Their school in Arkansas, not move in the middle of the years. That sort of the catalyst for doing it during the summer we are so happy back home. What what was the thing that you didn't expect more about the White House, was most unexpected thing about working ecstasy been around politics, your entire life. I think in part one of the biggest surprises for a lot of us. I think, if you look back

most people in an administration, very few people actually know who they are not that many people knew who the White House Price Secretary was in previous administrations. If you weren't, you know stood in politics and maybe a political junkie and outside of DC get into Middle America. Nobody knew who My secretary was, but in a Trump administration everybody knew he worried came instantly recognisable, you're in the punching bag for personnel and many other things, and so I think that level of liberty status in a way for better or worse, to not have any more where you go anywhere. Where people don't recognize. You, I think, was some that a lot of us we're very surprised by and even people you weren't necessarily the public facing member of the administration. Quickly became household names and, think that was very new. Even for those of us who have grown up in politics me again, most people don't know who

of the staff are? They know the principle, but not everybody else and the Trump administration everybody became a household named Mary I did anybody from Hollywood ever reach out tune and talk to you on a personal level, or was it just? Ok, we're gonna cost, whoever we can as this person to make fun of them You saw a lot of that obvious. Now. Nobody ever reached out to say anything nice. There were a few Hollywood actors have said. Quite if we mean things, including one who encourage people to kidnap my children, so no and for I we didn't get a lot from any of these. Hollywood await class. There are a few conservatives, John Voice and a handful of others that reached out very supportive James would, but in terms of Canada, the mainstream Hollywood but he never contacted us for anything positive anyway. Is he takes the upside of travelling with the president was.

Like me or with him a lot on air Force one year with him overseas, allied powers that our those troops there incredible mean they get a travel alongside the president and see the world in that way is remarkable I went on every single foreign trip. The president took from the day I entered the White House until I was and had a front row seat to history, watching him interact with World leaders, I got to sit at the table with Kim Jong President, she Abbaye Mccrone and be in that room, as negotiations or happiness. History is unfolding is absolute. Remarkable that must beaten, thing conversation. Obviously we seen president from speaking various terms about his relationship with with Kim Dragoon. Well, what was that like it pretty surreal You know as walking into the room. It was very tense, so far the day had been go. This was the very first summit in Singapore and I think I'm gonna cow,

it up a little bit and I make a joke tat might palm pale. I turned to my said: hey my thinking this kind of like relax? May mostly Brinker temperature down? I said so am I the only person in the room he there hasn't killed someone or ordered somebody to be killed, and I caught a laugh and he looks around remedies. I know you're the only one. I saw that going differently as I feel that wasn't exactly what I was thinking. You're going to say but it was so real, but the present was masterful in that back and forth of bringing on topics that he knew were of interest to care, whether it was sport, Send NBA basketball word and then able to transition from something you know in a way so meaningless to talking about de nuclear radiation for our country and watching him. Gonna do that back and forth was absolute. The incredible what do things that people get the most wrong about? President Trump is you somebody who doesn't love the country and

and actually fighting to make it better. I think that not knowing that MRS who he really is so How did you navigate all the various personalities in a lot of turnover inside the Trump administration? We had a secretary of state and then we had another secretary of state. We've had a couple of secretaries of defense. When they come in. They are agreed very often with warm words when they leave less often were you with warm words. I said what was it like? Training had all those personalities, I think some ways: growing up both kind of church work in politics. We used to have kind of joke our family there very similar in that way, Everybody, the church Epps. Everyone in politics are constantly trying to build a bigger base. So you take everybody. I was exposed to a lot of different personalities. Growing up in both of those environments and so learned how to work with a variety of different people.

Finally, as I grew and started doing, campaign work all over the country are constantly interacting with such a unique cast of characters and having that background, I think, put me in a good position to work with a lot of different personalities in the White House. I'm pretty up front where I'm on a particular issue, I don't play games a very direct and Inga having that kind of relationship, I wasn't trying to go behind anybody's back. I was driving own agenda. I was there to serve country and help the president and not trying to play all the different sides. I think, made a big difference for me, so present from starts a lot about what he's gotten wondering is. First women a green, a lot of its very good, never talked about. What're, you gonna do in a second her. So what? What do you think? I'm a Trump second term looks like other than sort of more of the same in terms of tax cards or deregulation. I certainly think does big pieces. I know he like

Bessie additional tax cuts. Deregulation is probably one of the that has been most effective for the economy under the first term that you don't hear a lot of talk about. So I think that he'll continue aggressively on that front. I think trade is going a major part of the president's second term is really trying to focus on getting rid of. The big trade imbalance is that we have with other countries, is a huge personal priority for the president. I think it will continue to be top of mine for him in a second I think infrastructure is one that is something president actually really loves and enjoys and wants to. Semi is a builder, but we need more out of structure, weighty navvy, I'm on my way out restructuring always went so well. I don't know why we didn't do it every week fight. I do think that it's something that is purse it, is important to him and I think that will

may be another thing that he really wants to see happen because it's always talked about, and it just keeps going picked down the road and nobody ever really does anything that has a lasting impact. I think that something that for him per why he wants to see happen. Prescription drugs is another big area that he is personal, invested and wants to see. So those are some of us think kind of the hundred thousand foot view areas that he will want to focus on in a second term warriors of high controversy? Obviously, for the president has been a lot of the public patients running covered, so there's been a lot of talk about why he let Bob Woodward anywhere within a one hundred foot radius of the White House. There's been a lot of talk about, I, his personal handling of his commentary surrounding covet. I think a lot of that unfair in the sense that nobody had a handle on and what exactly is going on with carbon all the way. Through February Joe Biden was holding rallies in early March, common introduced instead New York until late March. I all the rest. But what do you

that the administration could have done better in what should they do better with regard to their messaging around covered? Why? I think they should talk about the things that they did write and stop trying to defend their interests, assign like getting a story. You know I think, made some very early decisions that were very important items. Certainly stopping travel from China was a key part in something that he talks about frequently, particularly given the fact that democracy, were attacking him for that. So there were some things they did early on. That, I think, are very important. They should remind people that, but now, let's move forward, what's figure out how what we, what it looks like on the back end, I think they should. Focus on where word Gawayne, how we're coming out of it and not try to spend so much time just from a purely messaging perspective, so much on everything that maybe didn't go right.

Focus on all of the things that they're going to do moving forward and shift the narrative away and take that away from the Democrats. That's what I would do if I had the ability to take on a shape that acid. So do we need more on teleprompter trump or less until a proper, for he has all the honest every time he gets on teleprompter reads: speech: it's not as high energy as it is when he's doing a comedy rally, but at the same time it is a lot more on message. He gave a speech last week about american history and patriotic education than I thought was absolutely the nominal, adding many that's moments have been these teleprompter, whether to state of the union address that really well planned or whether it is his speech. I in Eastern Europe about the nature of western civilization seems, like all lovely, says on teleprompter, as is quite excellent, and I and some of what he says that is off teleprompter is- is entertaining do any more on teleprompter tromp was on teleprompter trump. I think he has to have that I think, if we had only teleprompter trump, he wouldn't one and sixty because some of them

energy and that personality that you see come through in those rights moments is what makes people love Donald Trump, because at the end of the day it still bear heavy about personality, and if you all that away from him. I don't think that's a good place for him to be in, but I dont disarray ray that some of his biggest moments and best speed is are those teleprompter speeches, but one thing that I think people don't realize is how involved the president is an crafting those words and that I think his team and speech writing team us such an excellent job of capturing what the president's policy is and put and in such a beautiful way when he gives those big speeches, but the presence involved in all the classic sharply Parker changes that you'll see right up until the moment he steps on staff

age. He may be making edits to those speeches, so I think they're both important. I think you have to have a good balance. I would want to see them, try to strip away all of the personality of Donald Trump and put him on a teleprompter. Why that's just not any fun! I don't think anybody wants to see that the time. But I do think, as you go into these final days, a few of those big speeches that really drive home his message in such a clearing size. Why will be important and good for him to do are adamant? Sarah, how can be standards? A few final questions, starting with whether president from early knows a lot about policy or whether he really does not, and also about her own political viewpoints and she's, been spokesperson for from what her political viewpoints like to hear a serious answers. You have to be a daily wire member. Go to daily wired. I come click subscribe. You can hear the rest of our conversation there. Well, sir,

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