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Part 3: The NBA’s Merry-Go-Round Era With Wosny Lambre, Kevin O’Connor, and J Kyle Mann

2022-02-10

In Part 3 of the NBA Trade Deadline podcast, The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Kevin O'Connor, Wosny Lambre and J Kyle Mann talking about the Knicks and Lakers standing pat, how it’ll impact LeBron’s future in LA and why the league is so much deeper than it was just a few years ago. Then they get into whether the “merry-go-round era” in the league right now and if fans actually like the product it creates.

Host: Bill Simmons

Guests: Kevin O'Connor, Wosny Lambre, and J Kyle Mann

Producers: Kyle Crichton and Steve Ceruti 

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at the current Pierre store price, to cancel that available to existing playstation plus subscribers limit one producer full terms: black Eyed hears part three of the trade, thereby twelve can now be a ten minutes past the trade deadline, Chris Riders- let us call me has joined us. He was break down. With our guide. Sharks be Halliburton suborners great care. The Ringer Ba Casey is here he Bro,
and that trade is well was, is here he broke down that trade is well now we're gonna break out other trades. That didn't happen because unless we start gets a tweet soon it looks like the Lakers stood. Pat, it looks like the next stood stood, Pat, which I can't I can't believe kiss, Why did the next do nothing way they? I did not have that. I'm a big o cart. Nobody really want to Julius Randall My main: nobody really wanted. Evan Fournier Alec Burke's Just don't have many guys the tunnel value. I think, for the next step in a position now, where it's about waiting for somebody who wants to go there, and then those are the pieces that you use a tribute to get that player. If that even comes up time, but the next there's nothin appealing out there for them Kyle. Why wouldn't ages trade the contracts they don't want for Westbrook and think of him as it expiring contract mixture? Oh, my God, the Knicks or just I don't know what the next round of situation, because their whole system is failing itself, because
they really. If this thing was thriving and naked, like continue the momentum, the promises they have no momentum and at that you'd their young players are gonna, play there not shining quickly as much love him in your too has not looked as good as he did last year. Within that thriving system, reigned alike, chaos. He said we ve seen zero indication from I know that he wants to adjust and be anything other than a like an efficient primary, which just isn't working in them Burke's is uninspiring and then also you know you talk about guys wanting to come there. The other thing that's kind of bearing down on the next right now is you start decease more whispers of delight, thing that happened with Chicago when Minnesota words, like tubes, is really who had come in there being like buying culture. If you buy in my schemes, are good, we will surprise people and bullets them with our competence. Andy and we're gonna be annoying to play organised, surprise people the next year. You don't surprise people as much right they'll shooting goes down, and now you start to hear the whispers of Ike out. I mean you know, tips
plain our J and in the waning seconds of all a big loss. It's like I want to pay for that Guy Senate. Suddenly, it's it's less inspiring. Is this a lot of things converging at once for the next there? It's an amazing sort of dip that they fish David it here after such a great year last, you yeah it's funny with the next psych. If I'm in next fan was upon the next, and what am I feel good about, I actually thought we could do this as a segment of vague basically bake makes so and so spans feel better funded next fan. What am I feel good about, because I've been hearing really for the last fifteen Here's I'd know we're gonna get some free agents. It's all fine, we're gonna some Caspian
and yet it not aware, though these guys around and they're gonna be able to get in and it's just not happening. So what do you feel good about? If your next you, you still feel good about our J, I'm still pretty optimistic about our J in the type of player that he could be a model. Think he's gonna be as good as job ran. War is good, is Zion was pig before likely we directly before him, but I'm still optimistic about him. I said a million times, I'm a fan, overtopped! Let me too, I'm with you, like, oh beat up in a lot still I quickly, I still, I know a guy who can who s and juice on Bali can make a pool of jumped shortly got those valuable players unit of sand in the long run anyway, that it's me, it's like you, gotta get a guy to to decide.
the Getty's butt into the building. A guy got a Julius Randle Guy, yeah real guy to decide that he wants to be in the garden. I think that's when you see all right now, some different domino's got to fall, but they have to get that one guy and I think they have to stay the course, and you don't like this idea that you trade, some of your young guys for somebody who's not really going to change your life. That much, I don't think, that's something you can do. You should do like Frisch's, I'm glad they didn't try to get along the Savannah Sweepstakes right like that, would have been annexed moon from the past. I get restore top in the other store another young guy in there. But let's maybe you can throw a few to pick in their let's get into the Sabonis game. Like I'm glad they didn't do something like that. So it's nice to see that
This thing the course of what their plan is, which is like one superstar, comes available, who's interested they can pass. They have some young things that they can move. They have managed through culture that they can move around, and I think this just stay the course test. The positive things things aren't disastrous, as they have been in previous years. Josie. I agree with my wife. I mean I think, with this team like despite everything that happened last year and how amazing it was- and I find it was due to the circumstances. This point are if, on the youth in the development and my archway Barrett this path, month or so really, good average. Twenty three point: thirty eight percent from three amazes play, we'll get on defense as well, so you gonna feel good about the develop of your young guys for the next apart thou me like you feel good about that. As an example, I don't feel good about is the fact that, as Kyle brought up like would Tebbs like they traded
pick for care reddish any in five of nine possible game, since he got back from his injury, a higher fifteen as per game in here rumblings like further discussion. between the rather disagreement between the coaching staff in the front office just like Chicago. This has happened before and you the wonder for the next. for everything that happened last year is: did the right guy furthers roster, moving forward, I think he could be like TAT is not a bad coach issues. You gonna give him the right guys to play and for the next like I can manage, has to play, but you don't give a boost to play like the cowboy here is. What are we waiting for? I just don't understand it just feels very disconnected when the day the idea of hiring tabs to have an aligned organization, Leon rose and ribs connected from foreign office, the coaching style to the players and algorithm analogies
totally disconnected with everything and the objective objectives of this roster hearing I be I'd. Be very scared. If I'm an x man in that sense, cuz you're still in the same place you were before we were just waiting for somebody who wants to come to you and play in New York with Tabs. I had that I had to stay with Kirk cousins in football where some the guy. She just move around every single year, every single year at the new team, Kirk Cousins, like a lotta teams that, the quarterback davenant good, quarterback copier think come any can be like he may solid ray Furthermore, around your proper forty five hundred yards, you don't have to item enough that you start getting annoying some of his terrible qualities and he could just move rapidly- go dine in seven any just fit that he could be the the Steelers be next year and you go that was great, so much better than it would have gone with basic Rudolf. Thanks Kurt cousins, many goes the neck. Tapes is kind of like that. For me, as a coach.
maybe he should just move every year, two different team and you just get that one year tips boost and then you're too, that we ve just seen this when over again, I think he's a really smart coach, but there's a is a pattern anymore. These languages, but waited assistant. This is my lab. I d say yes in the b, the ascent. The guy who helps you be the defence and coordinated cyber guy and keep pushing cause. You know feels like he wears everybody, then my Chicago bodies were colony. two dibs differences to this If we had see what I'm glad you said nothing about CEO was because I always think about how we think about coaches like to certain types of Theo's. Now I'm not a business, my person, but I see this as like. Maybe this is a shift of their sort of life
see ya, always that take you to the next level and in their seat. Like start ups egos and in seat Yos that you know help you go public kind of thing. You know like a like, feel. Jackson was sort of a destination coach. It was like he wasn't, the guy that was gonna. Come anyone work with young players. It was maybe we're d seen a shift from we used to think of Tebbs because of Cargo times is like a guy who coach contenders, maybe he's more of a guy who just comes in and shift culture, and that you bring somebody else. It could be a case that crazy you're not surprised the Lakers did. Nothing does not surprise me the options out there for them, and I think that the bill Autumn Report, like that. That's a real thing bill warm reported that the Lakers would rather wait until he off season, because then they could deal there. Twenty two seven first and a twenty twenty first with Westbrook side. for the Lakers. I mean I take this as ok. We're just gonna explore the biomarker. What you know my get Schroeder, Paul Mill, Sap, potentially
hence the bio market and congrats I may congrats? Like you, you know this year's disaster is, but I think bear thinking in enter the off season. Trot afflict Westbrook out elsewhere. Do everything we can to recruit Damien lowered, Robbie Beale? Whoever might be that's the logic bear will happen Probably in I just don't they never know. I think they're going into a gunfight were like a couple knives with that fear offer is like a wearing a superstar hunt. Here's Russell Westbrook or in a talker into first rounders five? in seven years from now. I'm pretty sure, there's a fiber themes, second top there
right, so what you end up doing is you have to rule the dice on somebody else's semi problem? Also, it only makes ever make sense if you are able to make the credible threat that in the off season, I can make cap space to sign this person outright right. That's what Philadelphia was saying. Brooklyn, like, oh, you don't have to do this, we can wait till the off season. We can completely just take up towards to our policies in August this year, and just wait for James is someone you'll, get nothing, form, etc, etc. If you can't make that credible, you no threat to would seem, then, is gonna, be tough for you to acquire superstar that way, causing fared say. Maybe the Lakers just look at this and go we wanna title. We trade rather those to win. Another title we have the a day. It's not going work out this year. It happens, we're just wait till the summer. It's ok! It's ok
don't personally, don't think they're wired. That way and there's too many expectations are many liquor fence. but that's really where they should be mentally now now what There are no, but that's where they should be right. I mean this is scary, because once you get At thirty five I mean I think I heard maybe was park on tv say this is a prime year fur Leubronn. I mean this is a light. Lebruns Lebruns sizes rye have, as we ve seen, is different. You still does it credible stuff, but this thirty five to forty range. I mean if you talking about putting another year of that. I just that makes me feel they are not going to kick back. They may not have a choice. I think what you said was: maybe you take on the boy Of someone else in you assume in it, which was now we're talkin about the hubris that some teams can have in thinking that they can, fix a player? The way somebody that aiding somebody like up, I could fix them doing that with West forgot them into this situation, and it's just. This is the way it works with the broad he comes in and eat
sort of he uses up all your resources in you try to get the most out of it, but in terms of back, the clock is ticking, unlike whether not they're gonna be comfortable enough to sit and say: well we tried this. You know this isn't going work this year. I have a hard time seeing them do that, just because I think the clock is ticking so loud for love. At this point. Do you know what I disagree? I disagree. Their guys, like, I don't think. The clocks ticket loudly at all of the Brons past month is averaging thirty point for game rebound fixes says playing playing centre for the Lakers Lebron James has always been a guy who does whatever his team needs, whether is becoming a play maker becoming the goat. Score defending whoever it needs to be inserted, play off series both for the past month with out a d with rough, sucking the broadest played centre for this team. and like, despite being thirty, seven years old and clearly he's passed. His athletic prime he's a one hundred percent pull up leubronn with the heat like here a past that level in terms of athleticism but- doktor wise abroad.
We adopted in figure, how to maximize who he is at the stage of his career, and I agree with her. Is still in terms of production, a primary for the bride, James Athleticism, no but production abroad is still a championship, where in the wasteful year, therefore, that he's not going to compete for championship and lesser us, somehow figure things out the problem now is physically. He can't do it now, after that we meet after they like EAST Anglia like they had to really puts miles item to try to keep the team somewhere near the seventh day, seed and he's by centre in he's doing Stephanie played really well for a couple weeks and then also You know his days when a hundred men now he's playing and this is this is what with older Blair's resolve Toby, we saw with Jordan in you know: YE wanna. Be a situation where you're putting crazy on him when you're gonna be a nine seed by the way is a into twenty twelve version of the Brons or my favorite version of the broad twenty two,
nine version when they lost due to the magic love that I want a version waterfall team. There are three c: There doing everything he's doing everything every single night than it ever varying breaking a sweat doing it with this team. By with this level of eighty with westward toward the again, we started we sought have with I renewable. We had a booby gib since we sought happen over and over washed up Ben Wireless Wily, Serbia. We we constantly saw this happening right, any version right, but now you just can't carry that level of burden night in a night out and just kill people every day, although he still very good too great. You know when you
gets it at level. We can carry teams anymore. I think the opponents are better to like, isn't believe deeper and better now is well, then, like those calves, the bronze James TEAMS, I mean like the league- is- are so deep at this forward the plan and the earlier version, the EAST, like it's loaded. Why should, I believe, be entities thank for their boots, who celtics like that? They fail to address it as an important point, and I accept that I think about a lot, because I was trying to compare the areas in which our mortality Is it easier and harder to win things like that, and there was a time not that long ago, probably in the one thousand three hundred and fourteen range, if you had Lebron and Anthony Davis, even at the points of their career, they are now did it really matter who the other guys the Timor, their provocateur when fifty five gives, and now it's like the leaks, burgundy, we car, we did in part two. We talked about how crazy these plants are, gonna, be where you have. The subjects might be
see Brooklyn may be at nine or ten seated the plan thing and it's like a widow see. You're and round one you're gonna be playing somebody who has really good players in a team. You could be played the south accept as Tatum you know a starting in the all game. You could be played Miami enemy. Who has all these due to a better way? jobs, are not down the line with K C, I think the talent thing there's couple reasons for its just like we ve got really lucky with the last few drafts and guys in their prime, but also a guy's been replay longer and, unlike Chris Paul still being good when he was in the two thousand and five draft is inconceivable. The brown was in all three draft. You know it so you have like these almost like three generations of players and I don't think you can get by, which is the two guys in war. These are some of this, too, is lebruns or doing guess he kicked out the era of which you know whether
I would have happened anyway, probably went about all across vast body. The player power thing is this rippled out with transfer portal political message, but am now he's having to. Basically, you know you create the thing you dread basically he's ease having to beat these teams that are a result of players being Howard and their teaming up and joining up, but then also, beyond that. Like yours, ain't bullock, the Tao it I was making this argument to charge you today that, like the NBA, is just ultra talented, because it's almost like the end, I where it's like every time, is the new and comes out its twice as good as one for its just like we have so many good players and if you like, just go back through the pass for drastic yours, and like just so many good players are entering the league every year, which you know two sides that it makes it more incredible. That Lebaron has had the launch ebony these had, but I think that on the age thing yet like I know this is difficult year, less likely to sustain
yet and when it's over it's over whereas like when he's yes, he can do ass. You please to that. Neither the knees issues have some jumps in your knees that are there, how big your crowd, chambers in your house, or whatever else would address you have going. It's like a car You can get a car to two hundred thousand miles baby, but but what if you want TB twelve bill, you might get a couple more jobs out of his own achievements. Wow! That's a good example though he don't use, not able to do that unless they change all the rules. In favour. The quarterback ray you just the there would have been too many heads and he just wanna bet a better forty four I think the league, the NBA League, is more physical, that it's better. few years, I watched him like the hit charmer answered the other night from markets. More as it seems like the league is moved on from financing the end, its even more intense and maybe Social Media is a piece of that because you can't do it hard in it.
Sacramento last week, you, if you do that for point game weed out by the Feds, you're, gonna, get rate over the cause for two days. There's that you can't hide in the NBA like you that you used it because the eighties could just not play for a week not gave a shit. So I it's a weird time for the weak. It's a good time for the league. I want to talk about the parapet I'm at supper we had ticket, could break calibrate. New customers can bet five hours to into undulated hours in cash on either team to win. When he's promo code bs window. strain. That's right, you'll get your winnings in cold, hard cash, because we know cash is always better than free bats. You out to stay tuned for Tuesdays, Bs Podcast, we'll talk about all the products we lack, we're gonna make a pair Peter Schrager, cousin, Sal whole bunch of people going to be on that one remember: there's no better place to bet super bowl. Fifty six and Fanduel sportsbook. It was at promotions for noon.
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four months ago and then forced his way to stay, which he also decided he didn't like. When is this just become bad. when we in our with their yet because I was talking to a friend of mine today I was just like I don't like the league is much. I still love basketball still of watching basketball and I don't know whether on the old guys, things were better back and they cause. I don't feel that way about the NFL I like the NFL more than I have in ten years at the Ghana, fell freely The owners and how reprehensible some of that sum spanning get down as a commissioner, I am disturbed by the actual product and the players that have in the league, I like it more than I liked it. Probably since the two thousand Siberia, enjoy watching these quarterbacks and how there been a bit open up and I'll have to watch guys get carried off the field. Every five seconds- and I thought the NBA the bear the other way with these guys that moment. They don't like their situation that just get me out here and it's turning to get me out of your league, which is
the guy's a jaw and jokic kids who are just like this- is what I want to be. I love playing with these guys yoke. It chooses bury importer You never heard him say Lego Man, why? I don't know we'll see if I stay like he's just a cooze on my team, I'm wearing this uniform, I'm playing. I don't like where the league's going to catch they were. Do you stand on others? I mean it. at the end of fellow, but their changes were like two on field rules to improve the product. With the NBA you're talking about like a lot of it was the off corps that negotiated be our eyes stuff. You know see Ba. The change to addressed the issue that you have what I mean, I think for the NBA pros and cons and we're having a great time talking about all these trade, I'm having fun, I'm a joined the conversations in the stories as part of the reason why I love and the NBA it's like, I love the sport of basketball felt. I also
while the stories in the business side of you know the basketball as well, so I personally enjoy like all this drama and the FAO the players are able to move. However, from the team Perspective building on our roster building a culture building Danny that is so important in our four fans. For a growing in connection with a team and having really something that you feel like you're invested and so for the NBA. I would be curious about how they think that affects their bottom in terms of growing the game out in the United because a fella like you know, like the Steelers have an identity. They, the ravens, have an identity the NBA teams. Don't really have that type of identity and that that's just different, It saves worse, but it's definitely there. that might the way we experienced the NFL as a fan yeah. I first I hate the term player empowerment error. I remember talked Dominic Fox, whereby one day,
there was a slight. What are they empowered to do pick teams right way, and you know, and into speak today specifically like is a big difference between the Braun basically signing. He is rookie extension as it were in saying I'm not gonna do the full six years, I'm gonna do the four as a signal to everybody like ghetto ass is ready that summer, I'm gonna be available, re up and marshalling a lot of interest around him being available at twenty five twenty six years, all best places Jordan or whatever is their screen. That and bed Simmons have for years left on his deal using the hope. That's like the Beatles are worlds apart, like would be a great did, was fucked up, was stupid and should be allowed to happen like straight up like you can be managed teammates, you can one The on another team- you can
What pressure on your from off his amendment, but Bro you shown up to work. Ok, I used to be bus. Yes, like James hard in what he did at the end of of used in that was dicey. That was very
you like the expectation from every body, should be that we show up and we bus our as to play. You know, that's why I was like annoyed by the John Wall. Thing is like a lot of stuff. I feel like goes towards devaluing the actual product, the actual game, and I honestly tickets, Adam Frickin silver is for one because you know all it is emphasis on winning the internet, all its emphasis on all it at three: sixty five sport blah blah blah and, quite frankly, like they devalue the actual product on the floor. As fortnight player penalty, the players actually empowered to do much. They give folded up every fuckin see ba. I don't know how powerful these guys actually are. I just think if your sign Pham you should show up to
game and try your hardest. Now, if you yelling at dudes, like Jimmy Butler and practice, making sure it uncomfortable for that right with Jimmy Butler, didn't, say: yo, I'm leaving the team, I'm not showing up cuz. I can't stand these bomb ass, kids, you like no I'm going to make things very uncomfortable for them, while also actually doing my job. Some of this other stuff is just garbage. Quite frankly, I don't know why we got a category Coryza, that Simmons has power business being a nuisance in a baby, and he got really lucky that James Harden also was tired of where he was at ended up in Brooklyn. Because he could not dark for him is somebody's other markets. You that's a good pointed it. Should it be called the parameters because, like the merry go round era, the swale- that's really what it is- and I am with you on similar- explaining my wife does nothing and I was like she's like any big trades today and as again, they spent seven saying she should they always gone.
with him, but she literally does nothing to make well. She hasn't played for eight months cause, really stopped in the play of men, which is unbelievable. Elderly hold his coach said afterwards. He was insured you know he was a reliable point. Guard in his feelings were hurt, so he has played sense in it and they're also not paying I'm in here. Customs that twenty million dollars- and she was just like what you like. How would I explain that to myself twenty five years ago that this was an actual thing that happened? You know and then thing. A year ago we had said to each other, so he's gonna forces way to Brooklyn and a year from now gonna forced his way to have right now? That's crazy. Can I call you love the actual mechanics, a basketball as much as anybody? I bet I need this his overshadow costly. I see the care see point as I agree that more fun for people like us right, it's more fun for pack, has caught that end,
goals in our website and all those different things. But on the other hand, I think it's telling that the tea set of resonated the most this season, with fans with the people actually give a shit, are Memphis and Cleveland and Phoenix and Goldstein those four themes and a little bit Toronto too, where it's like teams that drafted smart that choice, build some sort of culture that built around a guy who actually wants to be there, and you know- and I We like that. I think we like the idea of teamster together, a nucleus is verses. Like I'm gonna go here, I want to go there. I hear the army to go here. I'm gonna go there. It may be that, so we should call it what you will do you stand up. I think it's. I think it's Horton that, like lad, we haven't seen like a fool shift into like every single year. The team of teams are winning. I think it likely this past these past play off if, like Brooklyn, had knocked off that no walkie team that had
of jailed overtime if they had just jumped in a knock them off, which they might have, it's probably better, evidently that they that they didn't, but I think in terms of like the overall product, I think that we're moving. I do think it important that we don't get to a point where we are have dislike upper echelons of the league that you have to have a merry go round team to win, and I think it's important for the product, like you were saying for the Memphis is Bore, was Emmy will see what Memphis doesn't play off, but you know Chris all also wit, enjoying the team that was already working. I mean the players, the players, Are empowered to gonna make decision for themselves and there's a whole spectrum for that, but in terms of like the product itself, I do think we're on a better path, and we were in the past must specifically because I was why teaching and adding harden, was kind of a big part of that may be more discovering or just figuring out the hey if we get, One want centric player, we dislike built around him and just spam. These certain parts of production like three
lapsing and generating fowls. I think we're gonna move out of that era. Jos Yoda me like me for like from twenty eighteen to twenty twenty I feel like we were obsessed with like we need to get like a LUCA a hard and a person run a crazy amount, Epic unrolls drawdown of Bows we're moving more towards the warriors model? Where were valuing like wings? That can be that play makers or shooters? It's not like you have one player. They carry a crazy. Load know that's more like an awkward, yeah observation, but how do you know that? It's better that I think we're on the right track and we were like a couple years ago: I've adequate housing, a breadth, angry to Kyle's point thereabout, beer, corner, I think, is also true in terms of the styles of teams. Emmy. We do have these teams that it out a super You guys forced their way. Is there they? They talk about it and try to get together, but we do have those home teams.
like there's just more extreme, say and away like we're still gonna, have those grizzlies teams, those calves teams that our home grown and young and exciting, and they may make one one big tweak like the funds they getting Chris Paul, that put them over the top like that, could happen in a year or two or three four Memphis are Cleveland. I we we do have those Helio offensive. offences in the NBA. We have defences. That's Wichita screens like the Brooklyn that we have that don't switch dreams. I think they're, just such a range of style, in terms of team building, but also a player in teams system. Styles about that all of it like together- is why I love basketball more than I ever have right now, I'm because Nothing is just so different there, so many different types of styles to watch and consume whether at the drama, whether if the on court or whether the business side with all the trees that we're talking about three. I personally power merry go round era, whenever you want to call it, I'm cool that person
I like a lot of the movement. It's fun was baby. It says shall be. The error, because you think, ordinarily starts when it is oh ninety ass, a guy right around the decision, but that's when twitter, starting and all that stuff, maybe getting the thing that makes it so hard to police I'm with you, I should think Adam Silver has done a poor job handling some of this stuff, because I think it really looks bad that over and over again guys can just forced them at a silly leave office refused to come out and say with Simmons was doing, was fucked up in bed right. They didn't want to say if they wanted to six years to punish like they wanted that they wanted then get punished and fine, but they don't want to come out and officially be like this is bullshit. Could you imagine David Stern, allow
for that and not to David Stern was a perfect, Alias imports, it hot words. Happily sterner management and opportunity literally cannot, but David Stern would have never ever stood for the bent similar situation. Now that the hard and situation to, I just think, it's impossible to police, because Obviously, there's been tampering galore over and over again gone back to win the brand new. Do you think that harden as there are more is number that possible? I think I think, in her media areas are used, constitute a step on the people texting each other car. I think there's no trail, but I think there's always third third people. Fourth, people about this goes back to win care, see, and I, the bronze last year in Cleveland, we're like he's gonna the Lakers member, we relax guy and I will be like he's gonna Lakers. This is happening and people it happened. I think, over and over and over again we see that the NBA can't police this at all that they have no recourse
We haven't seen anybody punished in any real way and it's just gonna keep happening and I'm not sure they care, but I don't you I I I think it's going to lead to an unhappy your league honestly that, like it's turning into the real housewives of the national basque buses, is there's no there's. No sooner did you know why, because The owners men Biu. They used to have this seven year contract when it can lock these dudes up and shackle women and Mau not moving from this damn decrepit franchise matter. Fact I'm going to the bank just knowing that I have you lock You and I could do whatever I want with the rascal. You know well. So what is the issue that they started guys they could have made it so big day or that they could have terrible cod drags. God save us ourselves with darkshire and now that led to this again, it all goes back to the league can't police themselves. For making their, but if you like,
Randal in the old days would have a seven year. Contract right now would be like next year, seven years a hundred what a virgilius rate of the negatives of a girl like a whole decade shoe so the NBA I mean we're dynamite. All of tampering have obviously going on in some form. so the envy ages drops hampering- is that I haven't he's fake email, slap on the wrists rules or, as I can no policing it like you said Bell. I get is the type of thing the Emmy hostages say. You know what taverns ok, out of a we already have when the Joker finds the teams are now no one down out. I mean like out it's like it's gonna, like the name image likeness thing in college, just like once. You pass that point. It's like it be like that, went to the roof of the building and just cut a pillow case, open it
The feathers are out there, I'm never going to get him all back. I get over over. Can't can't go back. How could you trace it actually police and the role of each other? That's the thing you killing these here's the thing. No, his thing, no one! I want to be careful about what I'm saying here is that sports is, but this selling is the tapping into a certain level of delusion and mania right that this cell into the people, you don't want to snap your customers are that delusion and mania with too much real talk, because that kind of fox up the fantasy and the delusion lead. You can just keep invoking like, while this already happens, while these guys mercenaries and give a fuck about your team or just city actually well, this is what you can do that as a business menace. What do you mean the policing, the shit more strictly honestly makers, digit, like you kid had this new. No, I have a certain point
what countries like all January six I got paid sick leave. I might more fair. What are we doing? This I want to say I wrote about this. I did a whole come about and oh, eight or nine range about the illusion of hope. I think that is what I call the com where I was that became their values. This new thing Ba was kind of selling us right. It was like you, dont have a baby down the road. You will say eight hundred and nine range cuz. We had all those teams, kind of jack and a great two thousand and ten cap space right and it's some point we're all looking at going well, there's one thousand eight hundred and thirty five cap space, there's four guys you want. Some people are going to have sir, but everybody is doing it. There was no tanking rules against it, and people sitting guys doing all thing, and I thought that surround when it started for the
Lucian unfolding before that. I don't. I just think the genes in the teams are pretty stupid, like they didn't look at team building that they weren't thinking seven chess moves ahead. Riley was really the Sky who started think about way at the next tried, but they were incompetent, but if it now in our it's basically bet a decade and half of the case, Could the NBA have something? I was just thinking about this, while you guys we're talking whereby, like the third like this of hope. Maybe maybe this solution could be like a two way: no trade clause where the player in the team are married to each other for the duration of the supermax elegant, you're talkin, about you're, worried about players demanding trade, I'm just trying to think of solutions. I don't offices. the idea, but I'm destroying that out there were like the player cannot be traded. The team cancer, the player, the player, cannot request a tray there together for three years for years whatever it might be. I read that I looked it up. I wrote it February two thousand and ten
and it was like at that time we had you know. Germane NEO is making more money than cabin the rat and west broken heart. Now those guys combined, I had Rashid Wireless ROPE, the South Dixon, that terrible contract that their dreaded we had traced in Macao They make twenty two point: four million a year on the bench, stepping up a cheap trading, Gilbert Arenas, Chauncey Bela switch about tensely being paid not to play, so it was its own kind of crisis. Right a lot of guys Bank, a big money that either were heard were playing and it was bad and there is no way out. You could fix your team and the solution was it's me the contract shorter, now, where the merry go round era- and I guess in some ways it's more fun, but I think I think it would be fussing all of this stuff would be fine if you know Jim likes the stuff with the regular and I really think eighty two games are normal genius the same this is
two freaking longs to many games and is in another problem is hard for, like casual fans to figure out when they need to care about the immediate. Besides, the playoffs I went, which should you be watching regular, empty season, a beer would guys aren't sitting down, will, as happened in all season, when seems aren't anchor were pretty much after the trade deadline they're off to the races, except for the Sacramento kings. You don't like. When are you going to be watching? You know like? When? Are you supposed to be watching it the EU has a guy. I feel that this year do you feel like this. The Thursday night game feel like I used to the ten t game. Do you feel like the same kind of Whatever has I am with you, I don't. I don't feel like an inventory. Will the the continuous involvement in such flux that I think it's made it less. You know,
distantly like in the end, what covets had a big part of that too? But I would like to say to you that to tack on your thing about the hope is that many people and nothing was said summers, and it is true that, like give people stopped hoping than the product would fail. I think what they ve done is kind of like what tv shows of done where they about this honour, some of our pods, where it's like tv shows figured out at some point that, like they did this rising was the thing that really got people going, and yet it's like and like the hope is the dope will mean that they can continue to like that, and I think it's easy you, unlike the social media thing, is kind of a member. Charlie from always sunny in that room at that point now, but like that Social media is the same type of like algorithmic like year, just on the hook. It's like this hit that you just keep wanting. I think fans they can say they hated. The date is keep coming back, because that hope is is so seductive. We sit around the draft to meet people, the gist.
they keep falling for it over and over again. That that's illusion of hope. The hope is that is the products that they keep. You I'm leaving keep coming back for the sweets and the transactions, but can may come Watchin going play for the love of God. Baby I mean I, I think I think that exist. Well, I mean I do. I think, like a bit like a shingle video make if I go thousand visa colleague? Ok, can you see the guy like five hundred cavies on Youtube like theirs? They are things actually market. There is a market for these player. Who are under the radar, and these teams, like you mentioned earlier, build the calves, the grizzlies people. Those teams, those players- I still think like theirs, a general excitement that fans For that I should we have at all it's like that's what the internet is ideal That gives you everything all at once. There's something for everybody! The NBA provisos something for body depending on
style of affirm it? You are you here. I was thinking back, but this today to time what you think, I'm crazy. You know that my relationship with James Hard totally disconnected from him. I'm a basketball are having to be a team eyes, always say I escaped between peoples, misery. I go to sleep at night, sleep like a baby. I don't care. So like a thing. Pardon me, I was thinking about James Harden and I was like what we was the time in my life when I most enjoyed him now Isaak. Nobody Can you remember when James Harden was dislike? Six man secondary play maker that could just go off and he terrified other play off. Teams to the point we try to shut him down. There was the most funny ever and that was like before he was an actual lies thing. I think people dusky really excited about. Like your document, CHAOS Edith date, expectations is gonna, become the death of joy. That's what's more find a route for a team that hasn't gotten there yet because the pressures not on yet your payment has money in its just. It said my band AIDS right down Cleveland same think best example. Yet surreal
the time for the MBA, we're gonna and part three was you can either stay with us for performing a prima honey in or or you can go in, and do you think I'm crazy about away while sake you? Thank you so much on the inside of the cap will not fucking leaving, around us agreed. Everyone was pretty nice ring to do where you break rule we'd have a five damp. I guess I'd swear, it's gonna work rabbi could be back would do big picture winners and losers coming up next. That was part. Three please back operate in the other two parts. One Spotify
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