In Part 4 of the NBA trade deadline podcast, The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Kevin O'Connor, Wosny Lambre, J. Kyle Mann, and Rob Mahoney to give out their winners and losers, including Kevin Durant, Steve Nash, the Bucks, Russell Westbrook, and more!
Host: Bill Simmons
Guests: Kevin O'Connor, Wosny Lambre, Rob Mahoney, and J. Kyle Mann
Producers: Kyle Crichton and Steve Ceruti
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since two thousand ten, by far for last one winners and losers of a trade that we have already done. Three, we ve been going out, especially for tuna hours and then try to keep this lesson. Our big was still here comments that I can't see you still here: rubber honey,
as rejoined us, he floated around, you went to another Ringer cocktail party as the real ones.
The real once Adam over Pherson for some champagne and some some crab and some lobster and now he's
with us? We had his own under israeli labour. It's been an eventful afternoon, but I can still fitted to my cocktail. Dress so were killing at were keeping a gaunt rob. We were talking at the last part of part. Three about
we like where the league is right. Now with the stuff. We regarded the merry go round era because was correct.
point per empowerment. Air is actually kind of a misnomer for some of this stuff, that's going on so little different, it's more like the people bouncing around era, but also by do we like this, because the key point, as we were say now, MRS Cleveland, Phoenix Gold State or the teams- everyone is gravitated to this year, as though I like these teams and bears either distressed, her interpret the or dissatisfaction whatever with a lot of
kind of created in a pitcher dish. Teams is this sustainable for the league and can they fix it? I think,
sustainable. Just because you have the contrast rallied, you do have these cases
but then you also have some more homegrown type tee.
aimed at least homegrown type superstars, in guys like Yahoo, as, for example, give you a counterpoint even in even someone like Devon Booker, who is toiled through the bad years
signs and emerged on the other side. That's an important kind of face to haven't contrasted stuff, but I think it makes her interesting story. I think there's something
it's a little shakespearian about giving someone like James hard in everything he thinks he once in Brooklyn in him disfiguring
but maybe it wasn't or Cairo, Irving or Kevin Durrant or whoever it is this moving around there's something in
What kind of interesting about that,
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sergeant and obviously like that needs the work out. Those guys will have to adjust to each other aerial etc. All that but
paper ass. We talked about throughout bill, though those two guys, together with their supporting casts, could be absolutely ludicrous. Affiliate filling
the winter that I want for me about was about the Darrow more legacy winner.
He did it again for another three years are more. Is that when a God knows of talk so much shit about this guy, since basically the sixties season ended last year, the press coverage- we said this might take
or might for years the axis you I'm just a general review. The you know
we signed. I think they re sign Danny great somebody, a recent that some are forget. Its is cut off my head, but he posted a snapshot of the five men sixes starting line up and show that this is. This was the most you no effective as far as net rating starting line of five men and illegal, really Darrow, like after tat flame out in the players you just like what we have is pretty good when they play on the floor. So like
I want to welcome an apology for shoe. He won T got done, definitely guided done. He also did that with the embed. Simmons thing were somebody I gonna Radiohead they were like is gonna work and he was like absolutely wherein quoted net region again, saying that it would like a thousand minutes is like things were.
I wonder how many how many front offices would have panicked before I got to where we got the last month right because the history of this
the league is panic when you have an unhappy superstar panic at the wrong time or make the wrong trader wish
You said, wait a little longer stuff like that. He's pretty
resolute. I gotta get to credit
be resolute in like I'm, not making a trade that makes us worse than we would be if Ben Simmons fight. So it's like there's a cat and mouse game with Ben Simmons, where get past that, hopefully you'll come back and we'll still be better.
with anyone. I would have got in the trade brother and they got somebody who actually by debate the better. So I feel like he's a winner car. Would you go stay
hurry winner, loser or TB day in this trade set Gary set very idle. I mean I lie,
he's gonna, be in a situation where he's gonna be moving off of people. I mean he's best when each just sort of like grew worse
less or of moving in the gaps between stars. The I gotta think to Philadelphia has been able to give him the type of gravity it mean he was with Dallas before where it was like all the office was coming from one player we ve seen that, like between the trial,
rid of harden Tiree and and Katy would create all these. Just open shots just by because you had given a gap and respect what they
do one on one? I think that it's gonna be big for him. In that sense, I mean I'd be curious, the other he gets more open shots at say he probably does in this situation. I mean whether he can
them and be and be different, the Joe Harris who could make a play off shot to save his life for guy but yeah. I think I think it's a good situation for set. They were both go of it. This is pretty, as it is, is probably low better,
They liked watching hamper than being. I think it so hard for guards to play with centres like that, any
figured out another winter in this trade from the Phillies standpoint so said, curry moves to Brooklyn, which means his wife category awesome was to balance.
That is a key part of society that work for the other person lives in in the New York area. Julia lip in it feels like this was good
the ring I feel like we want only ability going with that. No longer has to work with his father in law. Mouser gets away where it is
I didn't say that probably went area, they avowed holidays, the fight that
given the written winner, loser sideways
today
yeah a guideline just because it was,
clear by the end, the James Hardened and,
be their anymore, so hopefully been Simmons does hopefully tech that you know the best while fit again on paper in terms of talents. It all synergies-
pretty well, but hopefully, moreover, you get some guys. You gonna be there, and even if it's, even if we just look at this, like the set Currie part of that somebody who can hit some shots, would be nice
just have we seen a lot of the UN
bembry threes, this season and I could really send for fewer of those. So I really like the shape of what this could be for Brooklyn of what it could be with her aunt, but we ve got a hope
healthy, because if he's healthy, they're gonna be a really tough to anyone
a counter to the Katy conversation. Anyone went away and I mean I personally me
Just hitting your wagon to Kyrie Irving can't possibly be
sir, when friendly body in the basketball sense on the he's been so volatile, not just on the corner, saves a million times a guys always kidding injured. So, even if you know our great black mayor in New York City, Eric Adams figure out a way to ease up covert stuff in all. It is all these other things will carry urban physically, be able to play when the nets need him. The most dramatic, that's always a pretty shaky ground
you should, but I did when I mentioned somebody was a loser today. It s the magic schools crystal, was a franchise or why they was you jump ahead on. My youth is called your own play amputated eyes. Oh, I thought it was only cut talking about Corina started feeling like him.
Fear, two areas that I aiding Kazi Steve NASH as big as the then unquestioned winner, unquestioned, except Here- Thou ass, the car as the courage, Ben Siemens and career, big yeah. Well, I mean
that's tough, receive ashen Athens biting that's why I agree with robbing the case.
Is a winner here, in the sense that cabin Durant's legacy,
we know. However, we define a story after go into. Gold state is only joined. The super team
Anyone there they can. You do anywhere else will now we're talking old. Pitching
I guess the courier ring and beds images game of twenty million dollars and fat out, because his coat setting
Don't be a great point garden because he failed and past if he pulls those,
eyes, the NBA finals and wins it
the catalogue, reverse things for governor, while he did it with Siemens and urban package.
just things and helps his legacy. I'd, say human interests that side of it yeah sure, but then the other side of me is this. Like a woe is me poor, baby governor aid has the fact that one of the best verse most burst at all,
some thirty million out of it. I mean you know what we have to get back to drag. One of the most versus defenders alive Anna we'd, like rapped on, been Simmons alive ass. Your body is super talented,
in an inquiry who might be the best stemming the most
He's one of human staffer, like probably to most blackball skills.
skill players ever it's a it's a funny thing
there's a lot of like just hypotheticals here, like this hypothetically happens, it's gonna be interesting to see. This is gonna, be an interesting sort of experiment to see how quickly a team can mesh and still have a chance to go the distance it. What's interesting, is they re about a savage this season as a Basque about
right the chance to actually when the title there ever, the savage at assuming Ben Simmons can at least be
and you percent about. It was last year which I have to say as an assumption this point, but at least
if you add unhappy hard in the rest and season, I think we would all agree. You know we sailed away hither sinking.
I got two first rather than the trade that they can at least have this summer to try to keep in touch
the team around Katy and potentially carry so I was there.
Loser Bologna, Houston, Houston fur.
Three weeks here was sit in this situation. Where super unhappy James harden. If the trade does it happen,
he forces is way too Philly, Philly, trades, Tobias, heirs to ok, see with with whatever to just get rid of them, and then signs hardened
the nets have nothing. Now the Rockets have these pics in these pics wipes, but now it's like they have these pics of pixel apps for a team that looks like it's going to be pretty good the rest of the rest,
a decade and on top of it they got no other assets in the deal right. They they could jerry down. They shows that to happen. They turned o depot,
Kirk cares, averted all depot and said nothing, so they have really know players to show from the trade at all. And now it's like your kind of keeping your fingers crossed the picks it picks up. I didn't like the children,
and I said I like it when loser within the loser.
Gordon, was probably pack and his bags thinking. You can be planned for a play off team, tough break for him. The revision season with rockets- I would say, if you're, if you Houston and looking at those future, broken, picks
maybe not so fast. In terms of counting the about. In terms of we haven't seen his team play single game, we even see Ben Timmins play a single game gradually, no idea what the future of the vaccine mandated New York is. Gonna, be a lot can happen in a couple months, and so I will I will,
they hold onto those and it may be captured, lottery tickets little later and
Any other winners losers from this broken Philly trade. I Korea, I don't even
What category was you gonna, try to put carrying a category carries own of like vision of his existence is that he has no boxes. You know he's he's free flowing he's like water that way, these doing for the art delves UK categorized a man. I wonder I am trying to regulate the funniest outcomes. The shade Kai retaking Ben Simmons under his wing has to burn up there. I don't have its number one,
But it's like ITALY, the article like two weeks later, I respect a big brother to bed with her. Now, oh god, you Ben Simmons.
he's he's so lucky that he's doing this thing at Barclays and not the garden man is
It will do so ugly for him so quickly if he was on the Knicks on this. Just so perfect for him
do we see the valley fans taken the right down to Brooklyn Fur or you tat, I am afraid, the march that game, but at some point could put a password rabbits of seats it a Barclays,
you don't think you'll be ready to play by more than a month from now I would hope is valuable.
much to eke out a moderate and say my then you dont another winter. The trade care see cause he gets to eat. What are his favorite? It's like George Harlan, with some like his great comic routines,
they get to do his best women's wrong hand, it's back its reactivated
This is actually a byword for me for having saved for months. Forests should be patient than he gets James hard and have been saying for years, been Sabbath
shoots of the wrong headed Elizabetta system, Oregon, screen and short role, would be a play maker betray Maud, oh yeah. Where were you
Did it an hour and now been driving, is really made of more about to find out. While he had that there is some somebody had its weight, I think of his woes about rich policy.
Ben Timmins is ready to roll and he couldn't be happier to joint Brooklyn other submit. How does this work tat great for him compared to what are you talking to someone
her native thy Indiana Sacramento. I was you get to do it now: Loser Dallas! Let's move to Dallas!
ass, this Katy thing, man, it was literally, I can remember the ridicule of the next franchises me. Like all my god, you idiot you ruin the cape eating. This guy was the greatest thing that a bad to you now he's gonna, go, say Dallas and raise them up from the ashes in the darkness of its key
I do see a blah blah blindness and it's over it's over just like that with a whimper, not even a second round appearance with decay, p and LUCA carrying, and they basically admitted two feet: no cut
losses and got him the hell, it bought a god. That's created, they admitted defeat. The former Davis birth, ads,
You are areas that flag his draped in fact rob you.
On the pod. When that should happen, we are surprised that they just basically sale pausing. S is just a damage. Ass words, Regis we're just like he's a son cost a little surprised and
a surprise that they traded poison, gas and more the players. They got back because
I mean I'm sure you guys talk the dispenser Dinwiddie part of this. I dont really see him. As a Finn,
The LUCA I'll see him next. As a Finn. Next, the jailer Brunson, I sure, as Hell, don't see him as a fitness for both of those guys.
How are they going to manage that guard rotation? I really know, and so, like yeah, Christopher Dingus injury concern obviously has not been a guy's, be able to finish play off series for you, which is a big problem. This seem like the man swapping out their preference to have a guy who guys you could at least be out their verses
a more talented player who could not, unfortunately, re about to see the maps go all out small ball because Crisps posing ass. You know, despite all the obvious laws with his health and all that, and the inconsistency is the fit with LUCA offence out. He was good on defence this year Benatar.
It's been in some time and effort,
I was now to get back to ITALY, Bud White, Paul, Marquise crew
Bob? I am, I just feel
a team I claim is not protect, varies: Laura Switchboard, versatile parameter guy, I feel,
it demands that the rest of the fees on their built, the place small and only small,
robots out there s a nice idea, I'm any ravage responsibly by our guy for them right. That is the big word. The streets they also pay adding hence, or are they gonna, be China Attack with multiple guards like a little like that? Ok see,
that add senior three.
GM shrewder mail,
I allowed at any attention on whether or not LUCA how willing Luke is the kind of go off.
Ball in Ireland, a break out at every one of the big problems. Do at the cape eating was they brought him in is a guy who was gonna have like skill set synergy with,
What look it does and he's he wasn't the same law threat that he was in New York he's not flying around like it. If you can watch me that New York footage man, his throne
body around it was just like scary course: it ended up being bed.
Got hurt in it's like he does. He was somebody that couldn't be a table centre for himself. He had to have the table. He was
or of patron than a chef, and it was like he does. Couldn't. I'm
areas, but the Dinwiddie thing I mean in hype. Hypothetically, he and burdens are hypotheticals
and I think for them to move for
is along for these two hypotheticals, where you know if they, if they pan out they'll, be really good for douse charts. Tell me a story to tell you this anecdote about K beaks. Judging about like his confidence about being a Dallas,
you said before this is a copy, was asked if you wanted to do one of those charity things where every Tommy blocks a shot,
an amount of money. Money is donated. He declined because he said he didn't figure.
he was gonna, be there the whole fees, and so this is how I was just something that hasn't been good for a while. We place great lasting about fifty, and I remember that next stretched to- and I think I was writing I did
unicorn peace for the ringer at the time, and we were having a unicorn Barrack has weighed yacht S and a bead imposing s, and it was like it felt like this new air of these weird players. We had seen before with these tall guys, who could all these things,
It's such a bummer that he got her that game. I do. I really do feel like he never was right.
Ever since that day, when he went down wages it. I just never thought his lore body move the same. We ve seen this with other big eyes, but I really believe
That guy's talent, I thought he was an excellent excellent. Excellent, like the sky, was blue
with this stretch five through, you could go, do in big moments and he could actually create shots for himself but then
The other end could just stand. There were the things up, and you know it's a bummer cause. I don't even he's gotta be well,
two thousand seven hundred and twenty eight, and it just feels like he's on the other end, what are we going to say? Cassie
I know I mean I think, with Kpi Kyle Wedgwood the draft emerald pausing as members
before the draft when he pulled his name out
but then, like that, one year later he gets better. He becomes a lottery pick. Everybody thought o k c, might take him the your prior, but I got the time the vision
Katy was this dude who could do every?
on the court. You can one office
AIDS and shoot threes. He can all be grows into his body. He proposed stop, is their health has direct.
what is so bad that just the rail
everything in an end for Dallas
you traded for that outside when you guys
from the next and
I think it was a worthy gamble because of
the idea, what posing as could be going back to when he is buying overseas, to going back to what he was at the next. It is dead.
Work out in this situation, idle ethics
ok to deal, I'm not sure I would go as far as climate. My loser cause. I don't think he's that good and I don't think
reliable, he's a sub! Thirty percent three points
the season. He is proving
if a healthy he's, not the thumb,
that you can lean on and rely on and for Dallas they don't get any
we back brow
that you can rely on, but I'm not sure you can expect to get that for pausing. Yes and I
really think this is about just like shuffling the dac spinning at Ford in train.
To become more versatile and flexible in the trade market by having to smaller contracts and said the one bigger long
term one? I know think that's all it's about here for Dallas, it's about light up the money and get it becoming
Flexible, to build or I'll look. I don't even think about this season has mentioned
Three weeks on twitter, Trolling Minnesota, it's him!
rules, fans while Katy was still on and makes a good that Katy was better than caught. They feel their trajectories were similar. I watched him when I was talking about him breaking down its and skills, billiard dogma unicorns, the common denominator. There's we're just we all. We ve stayed surprised by these big bodies. The zeal sets
king their way over time into these big frames, and it's a may. Sometimes things are too good to be true
I was like were seen. It was, I am words like some frames, just can't quite handled the pressure overtime
and they break down at seeing away by lower than bid. You know. Well, they p.
I played like three more something if he had like a back to the basket game that wasn't as like, depending on facing up and cutting and flying around and stuff, like that, it's just interesting think about how it would have played out because he absolutely he was on.
to be great while another winners, all of us has now Joe House as Chris Steps, pausing us in his ratifying a fact. I drifted tweets to TAT soon. I just throw that far too. Can I read you the two thousand fifteen draft which I think is officially drunk.
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the crisis in all star, was the end it for the east. Then we get a turner was eleven Booker was thirteen and Kate
it's rough after that. The second round actually into bad. If you go get an armored how's forty, I never shown homes in there. We are drafting down on us into the Japs daily and tried to trade for first run pigs for justice, Windsor, which had the trade happening,
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made some minor moves to improve their team. But, more importantly, the eastern conference has turned into an absolute meet grinder
and so, if you're, the best team in the West and looking at a team, that's gonna have to go through three,
half rounds in a row. I think it's a good time to. If you like something it's
time to be Devon. Booker Chris Pollard Yonder Aden. We cover that in the last,
part about now well known or no no up to what it was. Thirty three point, what a gauntlet it's gonna be for at least one or two
Those eastern teams for getting to the conference finals. Words like what's the easy game or with easy series, yet so Phoenix weight, so they.
It's hard for me to call them a winner when they never should have told jail instead
We don't want to renew your option for your three, which is basically like free death and needs.
You know they wanted a Carson like I've been talking about this, since they didn't give eight the extension, I'm convinced they will not pay.
luxury tax. I dont believe it. I back amidst eight will be an that's in next year.
They're. All in this shared they made the team a load of a better Tory Craig, but also may that teams by so well. I think it would have been done to make a trade. There are some their few teams
How do you do this deadline were like don't do anything like getting Memphis was another one year. It's like! Don't don't do anything guys skate right this, our ethical and state. You know whether Wiseman was.
Seen wise, but inside might be living with big foot in the eye and they had arrived acts or something I grave nobody's seen any of them out. I know there's some clips or twitter, yet it yesterday of him do some by all
yeah, wisely walking night was running
you'd like close down on somebody it was.
Ronnie why a was run, it can live in what I wasn't a deep fake, the chair, I wonder if he was
they would he have been. He does somebody that they moved. I I agreed with their decision to stand Pat and I think,
you Cleveland already made their move and looks like they bought at a pretty smart price for the bird can considering some the other stuff
that was seen, eye was caught. A hope in New Orleans would do something wacky today like to you, know piggy back the MECCA thing, but they didn't do. It is a case. Is anybody that you felt like
should have made a move and didn't like that. You're actually like upset that they did make one. Do you
I urge. As coming
deadline weak with only the key allows and a Walker and that trade package I mean like this- is a team. The idle I can't takes
seriously in saying that there are contender right now,
and you ve been going to play off seriousness gauntlet in the western Conference, Phoenix Golan State and expect to get through it with you now
boy I backed out of its voice, o Neill by Conway Donovan Mitchell, as your defenders of the perimeter so an outright ban. Yes,
its emulate, Ivan calmly locks, and sometimes I Mitchell, like he's gonna really after buying go back,
I quote weeks ago about like go. You see Devon, Booker people used to say he's, not a good analyses bought in every night.
his job as he was gonna, be that from like five different guys, and I just
I think it's enough. I would have loved to have seen him go after Jeremy Grant. Somebody like that is aid. They need wings and a fair. I'm gonna get amount which they then it then they have to get him again. Sam go the other way. I I think, what
but they data wasn't gonna matter not enough. I think there's like such a distance with them. They are now in please, let's
I've got a mid show given interviewer crusades. Talking about you guys on the clock mode. Would I guess why does this was caused common for them anyway,
I got your last year, I mean they were like right there, there at sea malignant. This is gonna leap frog. I think this is a day yet is switching place. Sustained was utilised now heading towards a really exit menace play off spy right now. I think they're dead,
here's team that other teams and game eighty one and eighty two might be taking to try to play in round one which is that why you wanna be for I go. Dallas started
nobody the night they really want to play. You re, like I think, that's gonna, be the tape.
As an aside, because you know I was really high in and last year was really high on and this year, even after the collapse of Dislike Edison point may, when you embarrassed yourselves like tat, you have to come back in line, shows some level of metal, and you know some pride in which you do and it's gone. The opposite, like Rudy and down event are back sniping at each other in the press and in our talk about a talk about this was Ceretani whose one of the big debate people get out get out there on our part, and I'm like men like this guy's calling out teased by name
saying they are building championship. Ah, ah, you know our habits and written these calling out other team star players, star perimeter players them by name. Unlike this is not a good thing, you know, and so what's it goes starts going that way, let you guys aren't cold.
It shack right. You can do all this stuff in the press, be this dysfunction
hate each other. This much gold to the finals do not good enough to do
that you're not opening your manner last hours of biogas, her her bill her because I love her too passive, just say their data that better. I learned that we all know that. I love the Devon Booker's like a third rail issue for Donovan Mitchell. You cannot bring up his name in that kind of content
that are being insulting the best. Viewed, that's that. Actually, if you did
every go, bear demanded the trade and or if the Utah jazz tried to move go. Bear
would want em who, with the target
for the jobs and try to make something of Donovan Mitchell on my Conway as or anything bear this out. These are just thinking ahead like if they fail and fall flat on her face again word or do you open the door that show
the merry go round, started again. Address asking the question because I think, through you type like they hired any aimed for run this. I expected you know
are there to be more activity. I thought those trotted through more be aggressive and be a guy. Yet Detroit digging the Incas enjoy shouldn't, have paralyzed them for the point now, where Alexander walkers their big. What is is Mitchell ravaged Mitchell Right,
our number one honour. I wouldn't be shocked if some sources Mitchell
unhappy looking to get out this summer. Is
number one, or would you stop Dame there? I mean it's hard to say
at Dame and even Brad Beale. Now I got, can imagine can't imagine kristaps as it is changing his world
but of of the non you're. The guys we haven't talked about ad nauseam Mitchell seems like the logical Canada, just because we don't
they're doing? I think I think you're right bill. It's not even that their winter, a loser like we had to go full nihilism. What the jazz like? What are they supposed to do to solve their perimeter? Defensive issues here when
if the if they weren't gonna, make Oliver type trade in which the Castro,
do not pick and Rick European contract if they were going to do that with Ingles as contract utterly know what they're supposed to do. I'm excited, because now that football is ending in that, for I myself into really try to figure out, what's gonna with basque buzzwords or the playoffs I I don't want to have to
like twenty teens, really closely right? You wanna narrowed down a little and you want to have the teams where you go like very. This is always big Verna thing like I don't have to watch them now
large, because I know what they are. I know who they are. You tie feel like. I may be able to escape a major speculative to delete the season past four miles from ahead Mabel Dvr of
it I feel like I have watched, shows our whole long ago. Now then they beat up the bank the warriors last night by like thirty, that not dead yet of governments. I ain't so maybe I'll take a break
in general. I would be delighted if stages were out cause, there's other fun western straight we'll whose whose only
decided that, like who got more interesting today in the West,
anybody really moving up? Your league pass rankings right now, I'm all day
After what I saw from the kings last I mean I do. The kings are like the drunk I
The bar that you take what I'm gonna do keep an eye on the dregs kicked out accurate with the large keeps it happened. Every girl was an older. What's subordinates
like already like revving high screen like little bill, while dump off passes the cutters and Mitchell look back. He was delighted, but just in general such a weird
about their other flight, give them a whirl yeah. I would think I who know the coop
are probably the x factor cause. I still wonder whether China back then
Ann Arbor nor POW they clearly one that
then it Paul George doesn't get the surgery which I'd be dubious about. Let's say he doesn't and then they can potentially ghek. Why back? In that? That's our would have tee my thing:
in the west. Yeah I've been interested in the tea wolves. All season
in reality. What they do like. Obviously, they conscious chilled during the deadline- which I think is the right thing to do.
Railway these guys should be drawing a building together and like this group, should have to achieve
the play off together, like I think that would be delayed for them. Going forward saw definitely be watching the timber wars
sure, so you're gone winner, timber wolves just by keeping this weird nucleus together and their twenty nine and twenty six. I think I agree with you casper them it's like every year. After the last hour break, somebody makes a jump right. It's always somebody under twenty five
I remembered Tatum. It was happening for a couple years ago we had that dead, credible Davis run in two thousand, a teen where all the sudden he was item duck and to point out Edwards would be a first run draft picked for, could he be the guy where he just makes this leap after the Astor Break? There's a cup other guys it up at Edward to me. I could see him go around like a crazy run. I do think he has a dinner. My dear does seem like he's getting better is covered
is growing, and just in general of anybody else can see who us to Jeff. How about I mean. I know we're going to happen today, but the pelicans in terms of like moving up those,
ass rankings, I'm excited a fee. If Zaire
comes back. When's iron comes back home and see
We call burning room how those guys play together. How does
The balance role develop because he's
you know, I have your usage centre,
gonna have to do some sacrifices. That team now some on very to see how the pelicans develop
throughout and also I can't get enough of watching her Jones. I get a lot herb Jones all the night. Why I don t mind when I watch the pelicans and there are deep,
it's my eyes are glued onto her jobs, just fund a watch him Kyle. I have the bucks, says the stealth winner. They get a backup for nothing, Dasso open to two roster spots and I think they're, probably the number and draft pigs
were who is? Who is the buyer Thebes Adam S? Ready we have is an. I don't really know. Maybe they're drag its testacea can't figure out drug edge. I can't figure out. Does he not like her
whether what would happen in Toronto. I've ever gotten a straight answer and thou on. Did you just think he was going to Dallas all time, but I'd like what
Lock is right now and what would you add if you had to from the bio market vote with the one piece? A backup point?
I mean. I think that the surge thing is hypothetically. I keep using that word. I know because that's if it if it works out for them,
really depends on what they have left because he fits schematically like stylist.
We what they like to play like over the past few seasons he's been. He has like historically been a pretty good drop, the fender whether or not he can still shoot. The ball is going to be a big question. If you can do,
had that was more shooting too in case is always good to have wings those goddamn shooting, but the search thing it could swing up for them. You know, I don't know it
it's a big. I think it was a worthy swing, our Sakharov about this overtook text earlier that considering the market, I think you're right. It was a big when, for them considering what they could get like earlier, they would take tinkering with
because that's gonna where they were that was the. If you're in that range, like a flower on search for
for what you he was more than has been steadily declining over the years. He no definite
the body healed candidate with me,
How are you ready to additionally, but you know I like a more ambitious because he does provide some spacing and he's they'll be able to easily adapt to what they trying to do or defence. Of course, folks at home can drink still on the hawks, I'm still hawks. I just love: what's happened since a car was come back any skin minutes and he's healthy he's is such a force on defence. Man be just changes. How they feel defensively with his intensity and he's got in all kinds of. Do so obviously also be watching the hawks. This to my number one leg pass team, but year definition
excited about then. You know, of course, makes suggests yeah yeah down with the play and you're done, but everything is so. Can we give you your character, the bucks for second yeah? I guess
you said they gave up nothing for a which I think, an aggregate, I'm not going.
The guy who stands up here until you Don T deepened, chose a hugely important layer by he was their best trade acid.
Think what they did give up was really any
flexibility in terms of whose playing on the way they have to feel really solid about the West Matthews minutes right now, and that's not
exactly where I would want to be. If I'm trying to win the championship, that's the only place I'll be a little nervous, just because even Chancellor start
trending OB. Since he came back from injury a little bit, I wonder if they
plugged one whole. They needed a big. They needed a guy like a, but I think they might say
We do feel that other one of like someone who can give them something on the perimeter in what used to be deepened chances.
So. I spoke very going to be a our guy right. You would and that's the easiest position to find a bag. I think is that premise
I guess, I'm Bulgaria Harris ANA Isabel
god I have her. I've heard his name a bunch this past week that if he didn't get
Gary Harris's, likely God
but our Eastern Europe,
he's struggled allowed years he's been good this year for a landowner. Somebody like banks,
and to me I guess, you're right rob I mean you want to add board wings. You know behind that.
Giving up deep intends O Gary Harris feels like a number one target for the bucks. I was just
that Steve's really is
sitting in this entire three hour. Resume, though,
No magic. Finally got brought up for this matter, be delighted to hear the thing, with the result that the aback at thing was so important. Just from a play. Our standpoint I didn't like that or that
walk. He had lost their malleability from last year with being able to go back
smaller than in being able to use yadda depending on what the situation was in Brooklyn, as micro back? He might not, but a back at least makes me
a little better, because ultimately, they're gonna have to play fill it. You would think at in one of those rounds and if he is really you're just cross. Your fingers that your asses
that yacht asylum can be your line up at eleven. Can we talk about my myself Ex
yeah they traded. He was playing with the he was playing well now it was a little smoke and mirrors as the schedule, but they did have everybody happy, so they basically trade Richardson. They trade, Roma Leadford. They trade Dennis shrewder and they traded protected first round pick and they get back Daniel ties in dared. Why are the celtics I'll start with? You can't see it
Alex in a better place than they were twenty four hours ago. I mean I feel it they're kind of in the same place, just with the different cats cost the characters
but I do. I dared why I like the
He's a solid plenary good defender,
I mean for them I think they're like may be slightly better, but if not to different than what they were before I like,
he's dead. That's why still I convince yourself of it. You look like you're, quite I like
It appears as it has done. It seem like they were a little bit chemistry moves here, because Lang fired young.
One of the many on guys who wants to play dare quite beloved he made by our cats. I Richardson there's been good buzz on him as a timid. The shepherd shrewder has always been hit. Her best she's in that kind of my dress, Harold Zone of Visa gets Ebay what
I'd like you get better. If there is something we say when we're trying to convince yourself perfectly, I always a great locker guy. As usual players. We know our great that's not brought up
I'm feeling right now. My about chemistry, I mean there quite Marcus smart as your backward. I just feel like
badgerland off that they're. Quite a second thirty one percent report point shooter: this could go,
four nine urge. You know too for three whatever, but I just I came about
those guys login allotted minutes was seems I just unimpressed by the Celtics,
how'd you stole,
it also see: let's have it now. I just don't see it is not like the added any play making which they didn't or if they added somebody like like a south curry where
when he's doing his of stuff, that's able to you know soften up a defence for you want or want Gaza. They have to pay attention to offer more actions when it's a shooter that dynamic outdated than anything they've done. The ecosystem of their office for real by for real does issue she's, not a leader play making. So he didn't change anything further.
More effectively, which I think is going to be important counter. I can have a counter Daniel size should lie. Surrounded me were literally debate around on and on about how the east is a meat grinder, now Celtics, basically circled the boy look after their right outside, so merry establish itself. As a really good point guard, I you know I like somebody that I actually think Philly could not have got bed servants were wait. Who, I think, has a point guard but was unable to play, may be as much point guard ass. He thought. Maybe
This is a better point out: situate, God, damn it up failing. I hate way sideways. What I mean, I think everyone Boston by bribe fee
and has always talked of when he was a head coach tiger by having five guys on the floor. That can make a play that can pass.
And Richard certainly is a solid player, but he's not refer that guy, creating a durable and creating for
there's or himself. He plays off bothers, I think in that sense
now you're talking about line up smart White Brown, Tatum Williams or
offered in there and immense
Great Williams, vat batter good passer for his his position. I think
probably the direction that Boston wants to go to their work,
just you know, he's good. If he, if you were more consistent shooter year to year, I'm not sure
Antonio doing this deal buffer,
often urges gears
we're getting a similar level player just with different characteristics, and in that sense I think they get slightly better but
I like anything significant that changes. How we talk about the salad.
and what they are and what they can be. What will change the ethics is if smart continues to play like as the last two weeks, if he
plays really smart, unselfish basket.
and is it like I've got this like that? What he's then- and there
he's right committed to the defence, and him
kind of admitting like our right, you, don't you don't think we have a point guard watch says: that's probably the best outcome for that, but also mullay Tatum go
The level is the only way this team is gonna, make a dent in the
The only other trade that I guess we should talk
I would add enough. This is a winner loser, but Charlotte they get hair on and they didn't
Fraid Dj Washington, the right arm, who I kind of like I know, people down
but I'm gonna. Let you do I like that he can shoot out these think a liar dig he's a good player. You don't wanna, leave him open his eyes. Three minutes. Have you noticed that, like he, he knock them knock down and nothing bring much
then there is doll. I would love to see how a pick it broke him. She could be developed between him and the logical because
not lots of the mellow person outsource inclusion of duty of between eight and labelling, because I remember the loot will pick it wrong with him on the cliff.
yours was used to be so potent like the other that the timing that they add when he would. You know, foot the screen at the last minute. It was like so good up and he has been able to develop that yet with anybody else.
Leave whilst says we will. What badge was a memo if packet over that yeah there is years he's a credible pick, a role operators, I'd love to see if they can get something goin. When.
energy feedback, loop of labelling, pushing of trains run in the floor. Authors there's a good synergy. There tat, I think, can be really productive for them. I liked the Hornets didn't break the bank fer a yoga, Purnell overshot homesick these centres. You aren't going to change their life.
They got a guy who can help them, but they still the ability.
go? Get a better centre down. Allied distress bless him useful player he's not going to solve their reproduction issues, their defence issues. That's just not. What is therefore, are winners and losers. We we we ve, talked about this team wherever we gotta just run it back, rob you weren't. Here we talked about the nice, I'm the LOS Angeles Lakers, giving
The owl caps loser for the same work and found in search of joy rarity my life like this. Just let me join this, thereby cleave traded for data ties. Liberians you it s. A physicist, Lakers Rob, there's no way out what it is there. A way out is, if you said Westboro COM, do you would he do there's no out? I don't stop
bunker down in their it's gonna, be a long haul in order to really undo some. What's goin out this team, the Westbrook thing it seem like
and then you would have to be resolved in the off season. If you can unwind, it is going to have to happen, then the
line was not a reasonable expectation, John WAR,
was not a reasonable pipe dream. This is a team that is stuck and as the prom with training for us Westbrook in the first place he commits you to style of play. He commits you to a cap, sheep, it's hard
and ass. I think they, I think they earned their deadline loser not today, but months and months ago, when they committed to this thing in the first place. Oh it's I,
not that I observed Germany. Loser shouted delude myself, less focus efforts, although this is so clearly the dumbest shade of autumn, but also would come in and be a role guy. What? If you could come in and execute the things that shrewder was doing a random did before they didn't have to do that? Much why can't run was which is coming to do what they did within
You know, and rob very politely said, was though I tried to tell you I try all is Rosa change. Was we're talking this affair I got is rust? Can you think of him? Superstar,
Who is more rigid and Russ like, like.
willing to evolve. Billiard history
I guess I can't think of another one. I mean it was just funny. Guy he's he's out of eighties thou its. I gotta, like the nineteen eightys. There were guys like this that just you know they would get the lads, but he had no chance, but there was a good teams like he was unplanned teams that the thing with Russia's aegis, I just didn't, think he was a winning polarity more
because of all the step he needed due to be happy as a basque Burgess was at diametric gods with how a team could succeed that key doesn't
You know that even see now, like hell, still take like these big threes, but the end game psyches, re Alan, and this has been so crazy
the ultimate irrational confidence guy, that's gonna, be his legacy sake. It's not the waiters. It's actually Russell Westbrook need so much Russia comforts compass. He won the Mvp. You know, like
But ultimately can you went with them. We just really haven't seen it, but he got KFC
when I was getting you hired by the Ringer and twenty sixteen Chris Rye and asked me to write just like a sample marathon.
A rustle Westbrook awaited abusing or for the rustle westward road map in twenty sixteen
It is about how I Katy laughed and Roth is about it.
Now being control member, when its every alike bow. I do what I want.
I wrote about article how Ross to sustain success and continue. You know
maintain this level play is gonna need to change and evolve as game. I've been
as for years now. So I think, with rough now or at a point for the first time athletic Lee,
skills wise like he is the clients. So much since that point four
He is officially now in this spot. I know everybody hates when I say it, but you give
a better idea than run.
citing. You know what I'm only gonna shoot four five times a game, I'm
Put all my energy and focus on to everything else. Could it be? Doesn't do that it's over? It's done. It's done so like this.
we're at the point here were rough has to do something to salvage this.
Wise. It's all over for the Lakers empty
possibly for him, so like about that's my perspective here with wrath. He should,
seeing this years ago, while he
still winning and be peace, but he did it because it is on stubborn
because of his own self confidence. But now you failed your
rock bottom and every Lakers Span, knows it even rust stance on stand,
for us anymore, he's at the
we now where he needs to change or it's over it's over well winner, everybody who loves James Worthy in the post,
and show our dreams worthy romanticize Almah. They get a pick and that show up, as you said, outward saddle, jibs worthy by the way who talkative folk forfeits tomorrow earlier Bulgaria do any good I've been there since, though, with that weird, when we Nicky
They are also and those guys they would go to James after the game in Hebrew.
Loves the Lakers like Badger here got I no magic gloves Lakers too, but when he does the tweets and said
fear always like wondering what is agenda is James, is out after the game and he's like a dad who
was at his daughter game as you can't believe they blew it with a man he's just a bleeding permanent work, and so it is really the only guy can
That was how heighten was with the Celtics forever, as you know where she really love that, like you know, if you eat, couldn't every call he thought was the worst of forever, but I enjoy the James have. So I think that's that's a winner, James Worthy Fence,
Speaking speaking, Beck's ties back to what we were talking about earlier some earlier. It is if we, if the merry go round thing continues and something that we stand to lose, I mean. If, if we, if we build,
whose guys, having tenure like that change worthy
he's not from L a busy, I'm pretty sure it see from I'm anyway ladder the phantom zone of that something we stand to lose in the future. If the other who belong swear, you know, I I think that that lack, as you know, we have other banners Abbas than you can look up and most of the guys were there the entire time. The recent ones I cagey, who knows bigger, need to re out was smoking.
by we let it I suggest there their whole careers and now like. Where does the broad and the basketball?
am, I assume he goes in his account go in as it can. I guess we did a loving.
is there, anything else is doing at eleven. You made some pretty well as well, but he picked
Miami? You know, that's it just weird re where the weird sage who it is James, whose James Heart
go in as a rocket. The rocket is his bus going to quit or they going to quit, making it like two slash three of a third step finished the last press that brought you to do his beard, but it's for heads up red, definitely a stranger couple, more winners and losers for we go
at next loser to me. I heard that the next round on everybody watch out for the next. I know they made a run of the column. They obviously made around a deer fox. Is that leaked out
but ended up getting nothing and they still have this fundamental problem of. I think we all kind of like Obi Toppin, but he can't play enough cuz. He plays exact same position as their unhappy superstar her they just stupid. They gave an extension to and
rob if you're the next to you try to become a playing team? Do you try to play the young guys more? What do you do? What's your? What's your goal? Last thirty games. I think trying to become a
in team is their real. That's the only course cause there
China has invested in the idea that they are going to be able to trade at some point to entice another star or or clear caps basins. I winifred
see. I don't think you do that unless you're at least competent, unless you can at least get into tenth place in your conference, it just become such a hard sell from that point.
Aren't you gonna Roadmap ordered Nanda. God was the worst part about it is. I was solved old, buddy of mine, who you know he goes to a Lotta Nick games last week, Ashley and he was
what is the problem of the jewish Randal last year was great. You know the team was whinnying, he was making his mid rages. It was great. He was have views on five June this year, things and not go a great body sulking the whole time he's, they add, don't ruin my view and experience is bright with his sulking messing up to this that the feeling in the atmosphere- and it's like no just reminds me of what makes people like stuff people like Dame special. They dont salt, even when things are going bad, they make everybody feel like it's a process in you know the stick together in this whole thing enjoys Randal. No news. Flash she's, not step sees these. Not what are these reliable french
Five pillars: you just a guy with a great season last year and now it's come back down to earth, but yet they have to chase the temp see. What else are they going to do? You know what that's getting attempt pick in. The draft is going to change this team. This brings me to a very important question. Kyle turn the fucking camera for this month, Brooklyn in the eighth spot right now, it's twenty nine and twenty five Charlotte's, two thousand eight hundred and twenty eight Atlantis twenty six and twenty eight and you have the next at two:
Four hundred and thirty one and wise and rob just laid out the case by the next are not going to roll over. They are five games behind the nest. Is there a world where the nets missed? The playoffs, with a Mr Playing game hold on wise
he said he's not back for three more weeks, carry cannot play home games. We have no idea when Ben summonses gonna play again and right at this team is basically Seth Currie, the market Sandridge a little bit of core of Cairo,
and some Andrei Drummond. That could be that this be the german sites could be upon us. There's a world where we could be two weeks left in the nets could be the eleven seat. Just right, am I crazy, not a bigger, say this? I just don't think that
Sir Gonna go on some incredible winning streak. That's a one in two went. Katy does finally come back its do or die like the players basic restart. What's he comes back and they'll start ripping off win
and the great they played fifty four games already and if he's out three four more weeks. That's another ten is missing but bill, but you also know cause you're the one who pioneered
even me even noticing this all those years back. This is determined sees all my arm hers. Oh, I got a bag
had signals teams again, it's dark places, Costa appeal and often achieves that really want to win because they have to are gonna, be fine at Internet
going to be good, but I had anybody worried about the nets. Cuz, I'm going to tell Kyle to turn the camera off.
nobody's worried nobody's with vague
its evil, but there are now one injury away,
of all the other injuries is one or bad thing away from like they they may be endangered nobody's with me,
I'm a worldwide bad thing away from danger me the asteroid is coming for. All of us. Warming is coming brow.
They broke the very last night and around gap in there,
five games up on the wizards in the next.
I mean I, I think a lot more would have to go wrong fur than that's. A lot would also need to go right for the next that it's kind of hard to projects going right for the next right now
They have the guys in and out of line up as well. I mean to me the makes if they they prob
We are going to compete for a play, our spot in a big market team. Dora was attained away and they're trying to continue in a look like an appealing in our destination for somebody, but I've heard
being strictly again a vacuum. What they should do there should be one
The fly, the other way
opinion and get higher draft odds and at another young guy to this group or orders have that asset cause. You know
even if he would hire draft odds you get a higher peggy enemy to keep the pit
you can use that to get a guy
Allow me, I thought that's what the next
should do, but they will do up to your point, so they last said they ve lost eleven of their last thirteen, the next, the next, where twenty, two and twenty one Adele yet another twenty four and thirty one said less than ten of their last up here is their next few games
I called state at port home, ok, see home, Brooklyn Home Miami back to back against Philly Phoenix and then add this West Coast trip read after the Astor Break.
Venus Clippers, Sacramento, Dallas, Memphis, Brooklyn they're, just on the road,
there, I don't go out or not. I am out of that yet items I gotta tell you over here you die, but so maybe the case for Brooklyn is how do we avoid nodded?
having one home plain game. They can guess what they don't want,
as I give your diner ten and you're the road for both of those endured, I games
I how that worked out for you know last
were gold sales outlets and besought awesome Angolan state makes the play off since they wait. Memphis his beating gold state what's happening so brokers on the road
you know against Charlotte indicates that latter against Boston, that's not ideal, but that means Kyra against a bullet through just there
What is that by behold? So Brooklyn needs. They say. If I read the pipeline is:
now. I know we're going for Galaxy Brand Ass, a great what the heck they import of
this programme based on the tasks relating to buys events play inside credible nother winner breadwinners, our guy. If my boy,
never never gave up. The fight. Tell us in that
I got a pretty good
can, I just say something really quickly about the Fucking NEWS: breaking wars
just to Larry dislike do legless. Windy is clearly a plugged in dude.
He knows that we talked about and more than anything he's one of the most measure dude in our business.
you will not go out on a limb and just are making declarative statements and declarations, like is not agenda, says it's right, nor talk to some minds credible and like these things are happening, but I will say this harking back. This is fucking great. This harking back to me in my buddies affection. We call the Gordon hey,
the situation when Haines was gone about them and animals like all cause hatreds. People were scared of GMO. They all wages, wrote the essay today about it's like what are we doing people this news? If it becomes official, we will all know it today tomorrow or the Davies full suit up in next team. This, please is all just calm down with shouts the windy for winning that one
against his own teammate. Allegedly. I heard this is what the can say that when he joined the re we talked about this about information and because once you that just becomes your job, if you're trying to break them
from a ride so the ringer we made the decision
We want to react to the information. We don't care about the actual process of giving information. I thought this is one of the
bizarrely reported stories the last couple weeks, because there were leaks everywhere rate, but at some point, Harden was done and the days start
talking trains and by over the weekend we knew said at least I knew Seth Curry was involved and that, if it, if that was a touchpoint for them, but Corey has to be in that's, we need to still be good. This year, this happen soon done that for days and then publicly they're going up, they haven't talked no Tox, yet
What do we do a great? What alternate universe? We try to great where we know you guys are talking trade by your pretend you're not at it. I thought it was very strange.
it isn't that why it so important like any time, something's reported
read between the lines.
like if you listen to that, won't clip on he s beyond the other day when he did say order not talking. He also add that the exit the GM aren't talking yes, said the James
talking and he also says it's important for cavern Durrant that he is a fully
Mitad roster to compete for championship. It's these little thing.
Then woes charms, Steiner pains, whoever whatever they are in those little details.
very, very important and thought.
I think words like you now saying what it
That is sometimes it does little things that are that our true by those
the gradual AIDS he's, probably
There are more N Sean marks, probably weren't directly talking to each other.
But there were so many intermediary. This whole thing day, not the only people, worshipped the t right at this level
the owners are about than somewhere I had all year and then their knowing the James, hey all you guys, bang this out meat meal little baby behind the vanquished alone.
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