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I'm a tall man Hulu. You can hear Chuck and breaking down after his new book comment about the nineties and where I talk about that as well top of the page I'm gonna do the first and only Annual Tom Brady words fur again he's better in my life since for the biscuit the entire century, so I worked on Africa Bit. Hope you enjoy. It there's been some really weird stuff today that the bride for as losses, which was just so appalling on there and the giants- France and Belgium text text her in there I'm going to wait until Thursday to talk about. I want more information, and all this stuff ran our taping this this in the afternoon. It's going to go out tonight, but

that is a crazy storm. I really feel that get as a chance to be one of the most impact for lawsuits. That's not only happen in football, but in the history of professional sports, because first thoughts, crazy. Therefore, as doesn't have a coaching job, I can't believe you wasn't stepped up over these themes. I you know, after going against the dolphins last couple years with patriots like an idiot the soon to be the first coach fire hired any still has not been higher. So I want a minor that, but we might talk, but that, on Thursday, with his back was well, today is Brady. Enclosed, remain its outcome. It up first

France for project the temporary retired today than expected a couple weeks as a possibility of still kind of wondering what he got. The nurses that in play, but apparently, is that twenty two years, here's how I described the Brady era, the January two thousand and ten it's like sitting at a red, hot blackjack table unknowing, there's an unfavourable dealer change on the we ve spent the last fifteen years at this table I'm I'm an ongoing email trade with few putrid spanned buddies and every once in a while. Another team does something atrocious. One of us will invariably make the that's

be us after Brady Leave Jokes joke, because it's true they're gonna leave. The patriots are almost defiling in a sack, for God knows how are well. I never could guess he keep going for five more years after I wrote that including two in temper, but I will say, boss, the fans always appreciated what was happening at the moment. We knew from bird when you from war, when you ve Pedro, There is always an actual finish line for greatness and yeah the sailor. Every single freak a moment. We love this guy. We appreciate him revered in we treasured him, especially me. I love the patriots from my entire life. My first could be was Jim plank. It number one packing. The nineteen seventy draft got the chicken. At about four half a decade and then the raiders eventually save them. They won the super bowl. With a sad heart. We had Steve Grogan, who is like a Marcus Marietta type into his body, Molly summer. One point he was where the neck donut. He was so banged up for his career. He threw a hundred eighty to touch, dance,

and two hundred and eighteen interceptions of sorting out. You can look it up. Then we had Tony's in TEL Aviv kid first Round: Peck froze in every single big you can always count on internally and a big game from sack. We came to despise them about democratic, and the Ladys we had a run of Doug Gloody Tommy Hudson Mark worsens corpse you Melon Scottsdale ACT, those refugees. That's when I start again, why not a coincidence they drew Bledsoe showed up without even the saviour. He never quick out their debts

The years of pretty forget about you, bees, which honestly did make us much different than nearly any other enough a franchise, but Brady drops from the sky. Sincerity mattered. We want titles, people came to hate us, we became a weird crosses the Yankees and Duke and the nineteen eighty USSR are getting we tinker with. The best could be with the best coach. We had the jackpot and Antonia. We appreciated at the entire time we appreciated threat. So I couldn't resist, handing out said Tom Brady words. Now that he's actually leaving. Let's call this the the one and only Tom Brady, awards greatest moment here, the dominates the final drab again say: Louis, you, both very soon going sixteen and zero in a regular season. The Seattle comeback Super Bowl, forty nine or the Falcons come back from twenty five down in super bowl. Fifty one obvious answer is the Falcon here's what I wrote afterwards.

Superbowl. Fifty one played out like an old school by the book, cliche lit and stared typical sports move that Hollywood had shared out for forty three years and counting the handsome superstar. She be fighting and evil. Commissioner funding off his handsome successor battling advanced age hiding his stress about his mother's ongoing cancer battle for the actor think him Costner naked. Then, if I'd never say French, you had super athletic rivals with more rod. Town who should prevail conceal their own way. Thanks up entrails central in, in whose yours you had a cast a goofy sports movie characters, including two thousand seventeen sound effects and Bp Julian element as twitter for Bursley blues. You rob Grand Caskey as rub.

I'm asking you had the garret blunt and Dante high towers, deed, lovable, charismatic teammates, for the knack for putting our heroes brightness in perspective. At the very end, and of course you had be mercurial, curmudgeon genius grew Bilbil check, think Jean hacked and in their replacements, crossed with they nine evil, but Kilmer it that's impossible. You had the everything goes wrong. First, half debacle, followed by the inspirational half time speech, which you now happened, followed by the everything goes right. Second, have come back and which the scoreboard seems like it's on drugs, the combatting keeps the boss,

twenty straight scenes cause it's a movie who needs to see defence stops, and I thought this yard. You had our underdog easily competing, usually difficult to point conversions, pulling off miracle catches, relying on its opponents, I'm going stupidity and then best value the overtime victory in the long awaited Godot, Brady, Post game handshake, which was the real leverage and of the longest yards ending. When Popper ran the forbore to the word and stomach and said, stick this and your trophy case. That was the best Brady moment and also at that point, from the break eight, for that was when he really became part about. Here there is like a little under current. He laughed the shouts of them. The Yankees cab. Married, the supermodel he caught it became such a big, celebrity, didn't they're, just stay, there is some murmurs and then the fake it happens, and that was our guy. There were come after a guy and tied into the US against them thing

that makes the wing on what it is doing on his all about us against them. It's about. We drove the British out the seventeen Sixtys and Seventys, and everybody still against us, and the figure was perfect, so area luckiest moment is our next word here. The the nominees the obviously, even though the rule was interpreted correctly, just for the record, the J R Redman spot insuperable. Thirty six underrated.

he's going out of bounds. They say that he got out of bounds, really doesn't seem like you did, but they said you did and that open the door for a couple more place and then a beating the Rams, the Dee Ford Offsides in the Chiefs, Pat's two thousand and eighteen game are most chiefs fans which, if he's not offsides, again Bill Burr, so that's the Superbowl and then the Malcolm Butler Play, which you know that's another one. I just listed for players that probably led to three super bowls, but the Malcolm Butler play specifically one of the craziest plays in the history of the super bowl, the best defensive player ever made in the super bowl. My nation of this awesome chess match were Bela checks, letting the clock rundown. Here's what I wrote afterwards. It did a wretch arraigned area that game on European the stakes if they dont when the mother gave Brady were to rally back from ten down, he would clinch goat status and Foil Sierra transfer back to back titles, which seemed impossible in the cellar

now that happen. If he were to fall short, it would mean three straight Superbowl losses in a winner spring summer of maybe it's the change, the offense so we're not asking if thirty seven year old, quarterback to string together and Pitbull thirteen play drive from four straight quarters on big stages: cuz, we can never run the ball in the batter's. We have it at deep threats and three months those conversations would have started so forget about the. it's not a job. We were a ban until the new office in that's finishes at accept, but yeah. We. We would have been wondering are right as this Tina pursed. What's going on here, we have an once in style February or five, the Tiree catch spy gate. What's did this esteemed now, badgered you! Instead everything changes in a radically right after the first catch that made it seem like the curse,

now in process, but it wasn't. We want next toward mouse stunning fact that illustrates how Long Brady was good. At football, Brady became the pat starting to be two weeks after nine eleven. That is fact number one fact number two: when Brady One is First Superbowl Leubronn was a junior in high school. Fact, number three PETE Meaningless, Brady's bigs rival, he retired seven years ago fact number four, since two thousand, when we had nine fast and furious movies and ten braided superboss. In fact, number five Brady's first celebrity girlfriend bridging when it was the girl who played Mr Bigs hot young wife eggs in the city a show that has now been rebooted with a bunch of women in their mid fifties. Five pretty stunning. I am going with Brady winning his first Superbowl in the promises junior high school, because it feels like a bronze bitter I just as long as Brady anyway. He has, as we knew about the prompt at any rate that our answer biggest whatever

Brady are here the nominees the Tiree catch. What would happen if they wanted to know grog spreading his ankle before the second giant superbowl settlements torn ACL before the Eagle soup season, Brady tearing is Asia and when they treated the branch into that six, which I still believe custom near the Superbowl against the bears than ever got their deserve. Mr Seeber, the answer to this is Brady tearing is Asia, because that leads to the most? What s with that team of one this about the next year that being that weird card stewardship Bob did the patch had the best heed that when a lamb, five anywhere without Brady, says if they, when the soup while this Brady have the same care it down.

over him. There are men talk but later, which of course meant that same carried dangling or because they win the Superbowl and he tore now. He dug he really wanted to go to another level who knows level who would have from that. But that was also the worse moment. A word that we're gonna have eight one there's. The giants is enormous. The Eagles lost and getting strip sacked when it seemed like everything was set up for the sports movie, come back flow in the two thousand and six AFC title Game or Brady's, two thousand and eight season lasting eight minutes. That is the answer. That was the worst moment. The Brady are here's what I wrote its day, what a feeling when your season gets assassinated before before really starts its only happened to other times by teams, numerous gingerbread suit as one season birds here, drew six games into the eighty eighty nine seas and each time Boston at a shred of hope to recover them for the stress run and of course they never did

a final word on the Brady Injury felt like being an actor on a cop show in identifying a murder victim at the marks. Yep. That's it that's the two thousand and eight passes and you can pull the sheet back over. Thank you. stuff out, you know done. I also wrote later in that peace. That's another man, for that Brady enjoyed the all time. If this happened and Madame I couldn't have pressed the reset button fast enough moment. In fact, I was pressing it subconsciously, even as Brady's. Let me off the field did yeah any ino thrown in there to. That was also the the number one fantasy for voluntary about that too. Brady, you lose emanate, Bennett's minutes nuts. I still can't believe that happen next toward craziest fan moment. This are the answer to this is email from John, be in Valley dreamier for one of my mailbags. He says brazen he gave me an idea gear. The power. Would you take so and so enjoy yourself so that he could play In this case, would you allow you need to be blown out? Have surgery, Goethe, rehab? If it meant Brady's,

never got injured and he played the whole season. Here is my response. Excellent idea, I think it depends on your mindset, is sportsmen and that specific time, as was your age, for instance, I wouldn't have Door Brady's injury, because I wouldn't want to be on crutches for a few months when I have two young kids. Besides, we went three super bowls this decade, but let's say you're my friend MIKE towing die hard fairly fan, is little or the man as older kids. If the Metson and retired, with a week ago and Ryan Howard's wrist, was broken by pitch would make the switch ruin. Take the broken rest will I call them and he was his first response quote the left one or the right one. It has his actual response. We thought that after a few minutes and make out the maid aside it he would sacrifice the left, wrist and any scenario, but its advice to rate whist

only if he was guaranteed a world series trip because quote: that's my right hand. My blackberry had a my shaving in and I will be able to play basketball for six weeks other. I guess I could run that that that end quote, for I know, he's still debating it. I'm going out on a limb in saying Philly needs to win a title soon, for everyone sake. It turns out they wanna title did I will the Eagles to one side title that paragraph will never know next award single greatest pass? I ever saw Tom Brady throw. this was the hail married to random, MOSS, insuperable, thirty six and get giants and third down. I was at this game. I watched us in real time and it still one of the three or four most incredible things. I've ever seen in person, here's what I wrote the next day after an unfair. Both sack and second down. We had less than thirty seconds to plan when time out we needed to play the

Let's try here, Mary pass to the greatest threat ever hope. He does. Subject. Superhuman cart almost like a last resort in a mad again, while ever in the belly news coming, especially the giants when the ballast snapped the corner, backface must turn I just started sprinting so decide. The shaded aside, Brady rolled out to his right, bought a couple seconds weight as long as he could then in court to pass from his own twelve yard lead. The fight of the ball alone should be mesmerizing, but there was MOSS racing down the sidelines. We did have a chance. Suddenly we had a chance, it was the distant cousin to the fore pointed to Larry Bird, Miss by half Fanchon game for the nineteen eighty seven and be a finals we knew we needed America. We knew we had the red horses in place to make that miracle happen, and then the play was happening. The boughs headed thirty good place and we were standing there frozen in absolute disbelief, wait a SEC, why does it seem like you might catch that wait? A second wave

Bryn ended up under throwing him by about half a yard other under How long is the wrong word, because the ball travelled an astonishing eighty five yards in the air ass though they was, is best Bro, coming within a hair of completing uber bomb to double team receiver. Instead, and the nineteen o seasons. Last gas was like I needed a whole seven hours when the masters missing it, but hitting the pit MA said to ease up for a split second of a split second scrutiny timing could be spring by eighty five miles an hour to time, allowing one of the giants to make up two yards in tip the ball before it could land in the freaks and so long miracle, for whatever reason you never hear this play disgusting ever read. Tones like some other famous near misses, even though at the bar travelled a yard further, It could have spawned one of the single greatest moments in sports history and made that team immortal birthday was the

it is? A great moment ever seen, a person has fifteen thousand other fields were screaming at the same. The sand Mosses almost fell, Mary was little different, so you had there. Those are the pats fans have their hopes dash. But then you also the giants fans their petrified the trap. Their beds were celebrated their escape. They know what I mean every one of them is daddy right now they remember. I promise you, but that catch was not meant to be. So I wrote that after Mars got traded and I, had I kept thinking but they ll marry in MOSS and just

Well, how unbelievably was for that year and that catch it's weird, the catch said he did make as the catch him. I can remember next the word most impressive statistical achievement, that is in him breaking almost every cubey record. We have first try Satan, no second choice: seven Superboss, third choice, ten superposed twenty years is a start sees basically babby. Fifty percent with Superboss Fourth choice: last two: bucks seasons where in his early to mid forties nowadays But one of those years in the other he's down twenty seven three in a play, a game or us in their wait for them bring back, is forty four and then the fifth choice, which is the answer. Braves play off record, so he's thirty. Five and twelve.

But amazingly he's also at thirteen first round byes that he yearned, so if you're saying the actual status, playoff rounds of Brady advanced he's, actually, four thousand eight hundred and twelve that's insane Montana at sixteen playoff wins total Elway at fourteen branch on fourteen Manning was fourteen and thirteen with eighty five, which makes in twenty two and thirteen for rounded vents. Brady's, is a just obliterating everybody. I still think I can't get over that that Bill Russell with being defeat in games, seven's and winning titles. eleven and thirteen not only the two greatest Boston sports accomplishments ever, but you could argue that does its greatest and team sports ever sat sat next, the word is out: it's a quickie. It's the Funniest Brady Sub Platt. You have

The evolving haired is over the year I mean where the great things about this man receives able to regenerate zone own hair. Instead of I did it, we have when he snub Jimmy G in the post, Butler pick celebration. Jimmy jeez hopping over to get in and the Brady Jump a bridge is jumps awaited. Josh began as we knew Jimmy Jimmy was done. Then he was maritime before he got whacked like Joe patching good fellows and then the other choice, which is the winner, is the fuck you handshake with Roderick Adele after the Superbowl in the fake it had been decided when is there some great four of them shaking hands braided just kind of I bought him with that. Look that you have, if you dated somebody's girlfriend her boyfriend before they did both, but by a million dollars method. Next, the word the best Brady prediction that actually came true, over two thousand fourteen here's what I wrote for granted when eyed earlier this year. I ran into friends in Europe who happened Julian inanimate after break out season, adamant

been debating whether to resign or leave for a bigger offer, which many believing Tom Brady his friends or bust his balls about a guy Hadley Brady sewage. Happens is actually pretty funny Adam. I knew what I did for living at a couple drinks. Adam he's feeling, emotion about Brady again was unclear whether Dennis teammates he launched into. endearingly, genuine mila, about Brady's, burning so an unbelievable teammate Brady was unbelievable quarterback or our day in day out than any teammates settlement ever had over everything to the guy. We joke that item and almost sounded like a religious fanatic, discussing the cult of Brady or something that out I asked him how I'm ready to keep playing without hesitation. Edelman said as long as you want like forty three I asked Adam and not. He describe radius quote a football machine, adding she's in bed by eight hundred and thirty, every night

in point, he'd, never seen anything like Tom Brady. He couldn't imagine Brady not playing football six more years, at least that's what he believed in. Yes, airmen resound with patriots just a few weeks later. Let's just say I wasn't surprised sets I wrote into. Does fourteen ottoman was actually he was wrong. It was more than six years, but That became a story in the news because I wrote about that and it was like Tom Brady goes to bed at eight hundred and thirty every night, and then it became a story and I think it might have even denied it which it happened. But now we we know from all the documentary to bed, probably maybe even earlier than eight hundred and thirty next, the word most underrated achievement by Tom Brady, Patriots, a great videogame game, Chibi Brady's Madden into does to fifty four we never get video Cuba is always ran Aachen.

Joe Montana, Steve Young Breadth far about these guys were amazing and hours of our guys, always soft or media Brady after won. The super goes to eighty four than to ninety four years. By cheap as areas of ninety nine point. Ninety nine is a bad incubator. Me thou hast, more unbelievable. The winners superbowl next toward best movie parallel for Brady nominees are for love and the game. Clearly the twin Seventy three game felt a little for love the game. Asher though, unlike Billy Chapel, you didn't get the perfect game, but I think he knew he was done at that point. Pretty confident and TAT was the one last come back and then he actually did. It seems like the perfect game, where the guy is now tied going the tenth any of the pitch, the tenth and you lose nest we'll be roller bar as a movie parallel, have you seen em over nineteen? Seventy four James Kind, classic it's about this scorecard role, a body that is being taken over by in but, commissioner and corporate overlords in they decide that they don't want stars

Marge from this game. They make became more and more and more and more violent, so that eventually the game will be the only thing that's arrives, but they weren't you James COD, is Jonathan. Now Spoiler James Cards arrives, he's the last one standing. They can't they can't get rid of him a little like Adele without with with Tom Brady Few Watch roller bomb. Next time you flip through cable general, said some words, but the of this answers the fast and furious franchise, so here's an email that was sent to me by outcast in Indiana. Once upon a time, I was trying to make sense of how every patriot supposed insanely, dramatic, isn't patriots dynasty like the fast and furious franchise first presuppose excite again

that then do had nothing. I made you wake up the next morning when he saw how the word that that happen same with the first three fast fears movies, but then the Fourth Pat Superbowl movie took a turn from vigorously believe, but it just plain ridiculous. Fifth and sixth ones in became more ridiculous. Then Superbowl fifty weren't fast seven took another stratosphere, but there is that twenty five come back elements catch of the fast Edmund drew parachuting. Aeroplanes lean in their present among the eight fast appears we would surely were prepared during Superbowl fifty one does that mean we should accept eight Brady Belichick Super bowl. I can't imagine anything topping fifty one, but I was said the same thing for forty nine, that's what I was cross the road, but we don't happen fast. Eight came out the Eagles patriots super bowl have little did satisfying. Then we had a night Superbowl with no fast moving match it other fast. That eventually did come out and then a tent. So when we have

and we can really line them up. But here's what I wrote as a response out amazing you even left at this Tippit, the fast and furious was released and genes the second to does when Tom Brady became new and good starting should be three months later. Does that mean Brady Bela Checking, diamond Brian and what about Ah, there supporting characters, kept changing with the Superbowl movies or rock slash the rock, showing up for the physical movie, helping to care six one battling injuries in the seventh one or both down never really aging or the bad guys changing in every Superbowl movie, you did it Alex. He came up with the single most preposterous patriots pop culture. Parallel that actually make sense. Congratulations. I still stand by that. Next toward best Brady related Villain

some gray ones. Here we have Bernard Carmel powered the guy who not radio, nay minutes in two thousand eight and then for years. Three years later, three and a half years later, he knocked out Brok in the ABC title game for the second giant. Superbowl grog has to play with a high ankle sprain, and we barely this again so yeah that he'd parlor got to the point we ve some on the field. There, patriots game, you just got frightened. He was a Jason Voorhees. That's one answer: Isla Manning took to super balls from us and put the Tiree catch out of his, but but the winner is obviously Roger Godot, a gay, the worded and for whatever reason, other dumb shit that happens in football. He decides to do a witch hunt, I'm the one star in his leg through all he did was just play. Football shouted big guy, so

I would never forgive you Ratchik at our next. The word best Ravel Peyton Manning the upper hand between these two guys shifted ten times. Ninety nine o two Manning O three to five Brady. He has the upper hand. We get some Russell Chamberlain, stuff started about now gone back, o six Manning O seven Brady. breaks. Other records, almost Gus undefeated, o eight or nine. Many takes a back two thousand tenderly Brady again, two thousand twelve thirteen manning us to Denver grabs it back, beats braiding play playoff game, even two thousand fourteen Brady grabs back when super two thousand fifteen, meaning whose noodle our manning at this point somehow beats Brady one last time in a play game I always think Brady got, can Custer again and then add the defence win, the Superbowl form and then in two thousand. Sixteen from that point on Brady takes it back again. It changes ten times pretty amazing Robert next toward most per

he may try Brown, grog welfare, airmen or MOSS other respect Moscow. I still think, as the highest upside t made possible for Brady was just watching. Those two guys together was unbelievable, but grant greatest had ever if excite Jack, unintentional comedy real comedy, he brought over the table even follow. Braided temper, customary red next word number of Brady was involved in the twelve greatest sports moments of my life, but here the twelve moments due from number one to number twelve game: seventy does brass. Yes, we beat the egg. I never thought I'd seen in my life tat. I never thought I'd see number two, either Superbowl. Thirty six, we beat the rams. The patriots, the black sheep in the Boston sports in wines, is superbowl number three game

One thousand nine hundred and eighty six American League Championship Series against the angels. Hindu hits a homerun top of the night to our saves our seasons Villa time. I've ever blacked out during a sporting event actually ran outside Maya, Chen's house and don't remember doing it, ended up outside the house. Today I got their number for super bowl, fifty one. That would be the comeback when it says at the watch that, with my son and nephew Kyle Number five game: five, one thousand nine hundred and eighty seven NBA eastern finals against the pistons. That's bird steals Bob's their number, six super bowl, forty, nine, Malcolm Butler, number, seven game, five, two thousand and four SBS. I was at game four in game. Five want those together. This is when the rivalry really starts to shift in David Ortiz turns in a superhero that still the greatest today experience I've seen in person in my life and break in seventeen. Eighty four

and be a finals number nine James, seven hd when engaged or funnels out both those games beat the Lakers beat the Sixers them again as the snow game in two thousand to I was not at that game. I had a ticket decided not to go because the blizzard and it's my biggest pickle regret in my life and then, if we're adding a top twelve game for two thousand and four world series, Red Sox win game, five, one thousand nine hundred and seventy six NBA Finals Triple T Phoenix game. First rate game ever went to the Brady was involved in for the twelve greatest sports moments of my life routing vicariously protein, including for the top ten super about thirty six was number two. This is what I wrote for you spend the next day the only cause of ever handed in Rwanda was drunk, but I was over served. And we went to paddle Brian's after the game and we just kept young where the fuck it

at each other and then this is a piece of what I wrote from that and that one out for three straight hours you think I'm kidding, I'm not kidding three hours no lie. We were the champs, the chance, the chance, the chance of a measure that, where the champs weakens that talking about it, sports illustrated coming out their annual Serbia. The patriots will be the main attraction. There's Superbowl party happening happening in Boston that in two thousand three propagated A team for the cover, the game, it's gotta, be the bats. Letterman needs a soup, but related Gessford show this week greater than Robin A victory party. Tuesday day Long Marty, grass and its taking place in Boston GAD does get any better than this true story. At around three thirty, I am city we're out on the back of paragraphs, the infamous bar read up urban street when the theme sign from the greatest American here started buying from the speakers and we started singing like all of us.

Believe it or not. Walking on air, we send all song sounds corny it wasn't. You had to be their talent passage, on the Super Bowl South Brand New Orleans about the lyrics to the greatest american hero. Some moments, you just don't forget, not ashamed to admit that this is one of the five or six happiest days of my life seriously. I don't know if it's in the top five or six anymore for me, but it's definitely still in the top twelve. anyway. Next the word most endearing home plan when we had the snow game, which it can't be understated that the last game in the history of the shit, all that was Foxfire Stadium, Solvent stadium, whenever you want to call it just thirty years, forty years that only remember out thirty years to get started in like that early seventies, but aluminum seats it just sucked. It had no life.

Good ever happened? It was all bad memories and then the last game ever played that stadium becomes one of the great homelands and the history, the patriots and that those people caught the tug Rogan. We called the snow game, the birth of the boy. The legend we come back. We beat the raiders, the team that was one of arch nemesis that took the Superbowl from Us Mid seventies and I love that went along the cut that meat game in general, she does bad, that's another candidate. That was the second time to beat the courts. When the crowds pit Manning it, then they could that be commercially. I just can't cut that meat a time as he's getting his ass kicked love that, but my most enduring home playoff wins January, two thousand and fifteen past thirty, five ravens thirty one about a week. Than a fake. A faint blew up. Here's what I wrote afterwards. pull it out of their boats, come back highlighted by a signature touchdown thrown by Julian Ottoman. You know the wide receiver pass that Bela check had been setting up for

twelve solid years that one Brady finished with three hundred and sixty seven yards, three passing tds in a touchdown scamper in freezing weather, and it's a feisty ravens defense bonus. It's, because we ve never had a better or more timely rendition of the our fields. Your love, which patriots fans ripped off that once but twice before, Baltimores crucial forth and three. That's my fair use, cops. But the next moment he became the goat patriot at the next world. I have for an answer right after spike eight, when the paths became the few pats and started Killin ever better. Read this amid October barring injuries it's gonna be an enormous enormously of somebody beats doing when the season that's the sight of a truly great team, regardless of the sport there. software college? I remember watching the nine nine years and thinking there's no way.

They can be beaten. You need like thirty five things to happen as it turned out. They had score their opponents by four hundred and forty two, two thousand two hundred and fifty three bars in the regular season, left again by total five points and rolled for their three playoff opponents by the unfathomable score One hundred and twenty six two hundred and twenty six eighty nine Niners different level. We haven't seen anything like it since and now we're seeing it again. Those are the stakes for that patriots team. By the way, I'm done with that excerpt. It wasn't just at their trying go undefeated. They were doing stuff that we had seen in football since the Montana air. There is a dominating happening that felt different and it became pretty clear was, could be huge deal. Somebody beat them which sadly began true the moment he became the goat. Cuba is our next to wear, that's three. I rode after that it was the greatest accomplishment ever by an older athlete. Here's what I wrote if we combine

age miles to read, difficulty equality, proponent punishment during the game level, quality in the stage itself. It's pretty undeniable Nicholas when the eighty six masters by shooting, as sixty five in the final round, Grady Basic shouted sixty two on Sunday when ten under in the back night with a hundred and ten billion people watching, it's a little more impact for the safe form and knocking out Michael, more Brady's, taken such phenomena care of his body. They, you can tell him apart indifferent seasons only by circuits he's also turning forty in August images, retiring Cubs, catcher, David Roster, Karim during the eighty seven files or even towards two years ago, and is getting actually pounded in these play. Afghans at fifty nine your comments and put out the british open tat onto that nine. Nine there's different answer for this question, but I think it's Brady.

So they got that yet another thing Brady pulled up are next. In final, word is best quote so any time somebody would ask radio at his favorite, Superboss he'd, always say the next one. I wrote this about Brady in January, two thousand within a few days. Last January, Baltimore thrashing normally a time and start. you're, looking their wounds and a tropical Beach Brady working out, so many likely that a friend looked at him in disbelieve, genuinely concerned and said. But if you have slowed down. lady wasn't working that hard to catch paint manning. He was doing it to remain Tom. Brady big difference everyday when something isn't happening is the last day every day serves a smaller purpose for a large ago, a goal that can never officially be enjoyed because instantly

it becomes about the ensuing go for Brady and Manning. It never ends. That's what makes them great. So I wrote that generated as eleven. Then you see Brady's Instagram thing, and this is why it is that is gonna retire. I never thought it was about, can still play, for It was about that three hundred sixty five days think this is what he says: new scampers I've, always with the support of a pause in all in proposition it for one percent competitive feminism there. You want succeed and successes what I love so much about our game. There's a physical, mental, most on challenge every single day, that is the Lebanon my mass potential. So if watch man in the arena or even if you watch Tom time, it's he's like obsessed with this. He really feels like he took whatever

potential was whatever his feeling was as an athlete and as a teammate, and you maximized and I think around I'm going to say after he tore his acl, but somewhere around two thousand and ten range. That's when he became obsessed, How do I keep getting better and he said the one time I talked to him for an interview for a piece and that January two thousand and eleven ranch he was saying I feel like I'm getting better, I feel like I can keep going. I still feel like I'm getting better as a quarterback which made no sense, because at that time you cities mid Thirty's, but that's how he felt he felt for him. It was Putting together the day in day out, and day out his commitment to that was the last piece that that was his edge over everybody else, and he was right cause. Nobody else was able to do anything caused the wet he just did so making to watch. It was amazing,

The watching, transform and he's been around so long that I was living in Boston and Charlestown in two thousand and one braided versus, but so became a thing, and you can go back and you to read my pieces for back to asking Brady just felt like he had something didn't expect this, but you can see something different about him from the first couple games and now he's the greatest quarterback of all time. There's a pleasure to watch him cuz the pressure following. I wish him. The best

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the Ed Gate first month free when you sign up for the iraqi Muttering service visit, simply saved outcome. Such BS today that simple, safe it too, as simply say that car flash bs aright shall close tremendous here. He has new book coming caught the nineties. When is it with feverish update? It should be well. If today is the first and should be one week from today February, how gave how many books nine as nine eight ten one twelve twelve years aid away from Tom Brady Seasons? Give us give us your Brady take big picture, because he was therefore basically one fifth of the NFL League that changed a lot during that time and eat at the central question with patriots is always Brady Belichick, who is more responsible with that was thought that drove me crazy cuz. I was felt like they're, both responsible, like that. It's just the way to pull one away from the other, but it does seem like the league drifting in the direction of

players are more responsible. You can see it in even some of the hearings that these coaches will build. You hire some random thirty two year old, guy or back will teach him how the organization thinks about coaching, but the prayers have a job Borough is always can be more important, so what you take on others well have used this sort of is this the sort of relate the idea that there's always greatly the questions I hear when I was driving around this morning is why Brady did not thank the people of Boston Earth. Full of New England or the Patriot organization. As part of me does wonder if this is, in some kind of no abstract way kind of connected to the player, empowerment movement, in the sense that there should be this growing feeling that particularly kind of coming from

elite proactively, that maybe we shouldn't be creating coaches and franchises and organizations at all that bad debts that sort of a vestige of the way we used to think about things that it really is the players to players who matter, but you say, like you, felt like Billy Chicken and any were both equal. Would you say they were? Would you really say they were equal? They were both, obviously central but yeah. get one matter more than the other to you. I know it's like a question. People could have talk around, but if you really had to answer that question, who was the more essential component, I would say Brady just because you know he's the prayer, but you know I can't unwind. The two, like France, said Sancho

The only person who watched all of man and the arena already who is in the media for live, I'm sure a lot of pats fence about it, but it was really to me the first cut by besides how important ballot check was too lady. We start fighting and totally realise or had rendered forgot where they would meet every Tuesday and go over. You know who their plan for that weak and go over the tape and go rather stupid things and he Spacekey admitting and man in the arena, like I learned so much every Tuesday for Belichick, quick if it's, this is like probably one of the best three or four football resources and he was going to have his young quarterback he's on his way up, and he has this guy who knows everything and is able to just basically unpack defenses and take them apart and point out things and he's like there's no way I'd be the poor. I was if I didn't have that. So that's why it's really hard for me to separate them.

as I think, if he's just on you know of his coaches are like Doug Maroon and Marty shot Hammer and re roads, and he just as is this random slew of coaches gonna. Like we're Roger said, I don't use the same career now. Would it have been three supervises? Thirty, seven, I don't know the exact number, but I dont think you would have been the same career. Nothing about. You could have the same clear either what they certainly would have had the same clear. So I guess the question is this: if someone drafts Brady in the fifth round, some other team in the fifth round before the patriot still do we assume that, just because of what he is sort of kind of proved invalidated overtime that suggest he would have had a very successful career regardless Hetty played for you know that the disease OX or the Rams or whoever I feel like you would have well. I just know it would have been no career. He had. I do sometimes one

though, if if when you, if a guy dropped to the sixth round, the perception of him generally is, this is probably a backup We are back were drafting we're not seeing him as someone we're going to slot in sort of run the franchise. So if he goes elsewhere is now he does. He have a different career, but does he possibly accept the different but would would he sort of be like we're? Ok, I'm gonna be like a Daniel, Daniel tapers nominate dedicate my life to being sort of like the guy who can contribute to this team because it is about winning and all these things, or is the idea that he would have just powered through and no matter what franchise he would have went you we would become the starting quarterback and they would have had massive success, because I think the general sense is that well, if bill, a Czech had just coached a different regime over this period? He still would have had quite a bit of success. Now what

been able to have occurred at one in one spot without that can accept them, as long time for an ethical code should be with the same, came all ethical. What am I gonna getting as, though I wonder like when I like, if in Brady's mind, he still feels like they still see me? as part of this thing, when actually I led this thing goes to a different, a he wins bull, but then this year, when the patriots, especially in the middle of the year and it like- maybe they going to challenge you know for the chaos Tyler's, then it was like a high sea. We were right before it was this guy elegance. When castle was their quarterback, that

season with Lebanon, five twelve hour in eleven of five, so that there was a sense. I think that mean there is to me somehow. It still seems like that that the coach is really the most important person, and that could be a misguided thought and I wonder if someone like Tom Brady looks at this and it just like it's like something he now realises. That is always going to exist. That conversation is always going to exist, despite the fact that he did exactly what he must have assumed. He would have needed to do to end Discussion like it goes to a different team. They immediately when the Japanese, you things that should have been the end of the discussion, but it does not have worked, were taken as its one o clock, Pacific

so maybe we'll find out why he didn't mention path. I think there's three reasons for it. One is he felt like he already did it two years ago, when he said goodbye, the patriots and already checked those boxes and did all that stuff to is. The EU. Now he backed alot of people on that and the pay the Patriots the craft spell check was secretly. obvious thing where they're, maybe there was some weird reason for that that will come by later three. This is nephew. Kyle stream bet he's going to come back to the patriots inside a one day, contract and retire. So it's one of those three but you're talkin about what is Bree, looks like on another team and its finishing whatever. I feel this way about great athletes. Most of the time, I think there's some of that need carrots, and some of them need love and some of them need nudges and if you can't pull one of those things away, I'm not sure you can say the clears the like for Brady. They were

super balls early right he's, starting they one three and four, and then they stop winning and Manning Kite he's got this many braided them, but then Manning caught? It takes the mantle and he starts the records and all that stuff, then, is something around o eight or nine two thousand ten changes with Brady. Where he's like, I'm actually getting better. I can feel it and I want to get back there in my wherewithal for the game, everything about it, I'm just improving. I think I can do this. I think there's another However, for me to go to, I dont know if you can think that if you have abandoned the superboss end, if you don't have the rival that your constantly measuring yourself with right- and so they think about the broad, the broad has cancer

title prima goes to Miami, and now he has to get over. The sun begets over the hump and for some people that might have been an up and outside now I gotta figure out this Cleveland thing, but then he saw as the goes to Jordan to that is chasing, and it's it's all these things together that just came what are really give a shit day after day, though, has been in the NBA. You know, nineteen years now, I do think that carrots are important and Brady had allowed carrots. I guess is my point. One thing there s a kind of a frustrating about this. To me in a sense, is that ok, so let's say Brady thanks. No, What's your time, that's another world worse there, then, then it's fine right. There is because he thanked some people, but not everybody. it's a problem. The really is like an example of like. I you something nice and the

Only thing that is received, as is the people he wasn't nice. To also I mean it's kind of like why it's why you should never be the kind of person who just like gives everyone a compliment as if you're the kind of person who compliments everybody all the time. All that happens is people notice when you don't But you Don T is it's it's a it's with strange thing. I mean he probably thought like well government, if I had a great time a debate here. Put this out. Another part of me of course thinks that liquid the breeze not like that he doesn't do things extemporaneous Lee in that way, where it's like, I'm gonna, do this, and here I never could had never occurred to me that people are ass. He did right he's very he's, puts a lot of thought that the shit we know it s change. I was thinking about like back to your brain, about your question. The league is changed so much over the last twenty years. Is it really in the last ten eleven years where you know like worn sharper? Does the damage

he doesn't even really care about games that happen before two thousand and ten when he looks at models cuz, this theory is like yeah once they start to track down a concussion into the hits over the middle and just everything, and they really started sexy quarterbacks in Martin, a different sport, and you can't compare that support post, two thousand and ten Dupree, two thousand and ten, which I think is wrong. so in the old days the quarterbacks really mattered, but you could also win the superbowl trend. The offer everyone through our right, you could get to the Superbowl New Oda. Yet like there are these things. I would happen where the infrastructure of the team and defence, coaching- and you know you could spend way more than on the sailor captain. But now we're in this moment were quarterbacks had become so important that you basically can't save the Superbowl without a really your quarterback. Anything like I'm in the area of sea. I oh and Herbert and Mohamed Josh Alan. We back Jones is not as good as those guys and you started

like I: what are the scenarios that we can even make a super ball? You know, then that's when you go to alike, are I will Stafford? I guess would be the best case scenario with the rats I spent a lot of money that good coach. They have some big hitters and defence, but Stafford still has pedigrees the number and pick in the trap, and I just think quarterbacks have become more imports The bow check, Brady thing ever look at it now. It's like you would clearly want the Brady over the ballot check if your building for twenty years yet look, I know what you're talking about an interesting now, because does it not seem in a way that pro football and really pro sports?

in general, are starting to become misshapen yet because what it seems to be happening is all of the things that were once you know, understood to be important have been amplified importance. I mean like the quarterback position, is the clearest example where it yeah we're we're one thousand nine hundred and seventy five or whatever you're running back, might be the most important person on your team. But you still need like a viable quarterback to win and then by one thousand nine hundred and eighty five, there were still a lot of important running backs, but you would want a quarterback instead by 1990s. These already this understanding that running back your kind of interchangeable. You can be the

we're broncos and just switch guys and get a guy from the army or whenever you rush reporting their yards in that. But it keeps glowing, but it doesn't seem to hit these ceilings where it's like. Ok, well, the importance of a quarter back is established, but what we can get it can't be more important than this. So now we have to sort of increase the value of all these other position it just keeps going like. I certainly think that there's going to be some natural for six thousand yards in the next five to ten years, is that I believe that is that the issue is not everything, games, YAP and have it seems real possible. If you let it could happen real quickly, you know: does it seem impossible that we are going to see a college game, certainly Highschool football game where maybe a team doesn't run the ball for the entire gay? Maybe that's already happened on ice go well.

I dont think is happening. Ideas have been called you had put, it will were somebody will gable annual, see somebody went. You know fifty four of ninety seven passing and they re ninety seven, placing scrimmage would think about which I shall end just even in the last two years, how, whatever he's doing feels like the evolution of something where you had this guy who's We can run like a running back but throw like any the best quarterbacks and she put him shot gun. You watch it and you go. How do you stop this? I dont know I know what I answer is I died blood Josh Alan. I need that chief spills game I felt felt- was the best profit ballgame I'd seen since they had to be added that the charges dolphins game had been would always that was the best gateway. I was nine its time or whatever, so my pursuits none of that game candidates calcified doesn't seem like it can change in a way that could be games in between that period. Who were more important because

was the Superbowl and states, but in terms of the game itself, like I mean, did it there was no part of that aim that wasn't exhilarating like Nokia. Even the even though chargers dolphins game is like the first quarter was close behind them in the dolphins came all the way back, but this game was always cos Lila think with Josh Alan though it is the only end use great watching. Just really is lowering there's a degree of there was agreed with CALM Newton, certainly with Marge acts and although in a little different way, it is a real rules. Problem now like if your guy, through strong safety in your fourteen hours of veal and judge, ants running at you, and he has the ability to Canada truck over you or fake you out or slide, I'm not really sure what a person's was to do in that position.

I feel like this is gonna become on Canada, a problem as these quarterbacks run more but are still protected, give rightly want some of them are learning how to use it against offenders to Mohammed lately, health. Wake like he's, gonna write about it. It doesn't then going to back the college quarterback some from Pittsburgh this year, they are in a game and that I think you're changing the rule, because, like you, just the figure was gonna sly. They went around a guy for like forty more yards, it does seem possible. They may have to say something like once. A quarterback is more than five yards up feel his protection changes. You know see that sides obediently yeah, there's nobody, even if you were like he gives himself it's something: it's it it's too impossible. I dont think how'd you. How can you possibly tackle Josh Alan if there is a chance that doing so will give him an additional fifteen yards impasse

so he is breakneck. Those guys are bringing something that is totally new and it's it's great to watch, but it is becoming too much him advantage. I mean the way that they have to have changed the the down feel passing rules in general have sort of made. This lopsided. Then the Debo play last Sunday when Grab LE led him into a dab, so disaster, and he got in Debo that crunched bright and they threw a flag because they're so use their reflexively now just trying flags and those yes, and then the reps gather together in their like weight. That was a clean head, and then we see the replay queen. It just hit em right shoulder pads exactly how your time and they picked up the flag, but it was so rare to see a receiver just get destroyed. You think, like that's been another, you should be. check it over. The key is the. What is your cake? I guess is the word we use now. What is your take on instant replay in general? I am still proud, but I think it should go

much faster. I think it should be some version between how long it takes in basketball and how short it takes an tennis there's a sweet spot somewhere in the middle of that. I think it should be like ninety seconds and I think you should to look at a right away and decide and go, and then we keep movement for me. I I can't think it's a detriment to the sport now in almost every way. I think that it is. It seems crazy that a guy can go to prison for less evidence than the evidence we need to overturn possession and a football game that, through this crazy. But but here, if I do what, if this became the way we did in the reply, just as it is now, but you have the why kid And in real time you can't stop it. You can't slowed down. It has to be clear enough that, when the replay a fly like eyes, the video tapes

you see, we are because the thing is the worst thing, absolutely them that the worst situation is what happens in basketball game now, when a guy slaps the ball on someone, hands and technically there is a milliseconds. Where gases the office like, if you hold a basketball in front of you like this, and I think some punches edge, the last thing it's gonna touch is the bottom of your fingers, but that in every other situation in the history of basketball, that is out of bounds on the guy who made contact with the ball aggressively. except at the end of games when they slow down is reversed with one or two years that you're slowing it down where it's like. What is it one twentieth as fast one tenth. I didn't even know but gather, stop it. You don't get frame, praying for me, but you can't be any closer.

Its finger down. So if they had to watch these things at game, speed yet still be able to use an end. I guess, like the big error, that guy was clearly scattered about before he got the ball or he Stepan sideline, while the I think up for you know like like. I know you really thought like the guy. for the like there that trapped in the Titans Bengals game when they get it touched the grass simultaneously. It didn't feel that way when it happened alive. No, it did so. I was glad didn't get overturned by Euro. They enter Europe to remember the game that started up so there was. The layers camp were all my grandpa, yes, which was that it actually felt like the others, were right, And from that moment on, the instant replay train started and we eventually got there. I have. I have a cup one Brady related thing to something that you mentioned,

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on base for all this stuff is just now getting mutilated and it's going to be hard to find a way up. The longevity things different, because its author take these guys are doing it. We think that the great- but I look at say in its anxiously broadside Chris Paul to Chris Oz is good this year, as he's been any year of his career like these actually starting to get some empty people, because the sons are so good, Brady's down twenty seven three at age. Forty four and we're all watching going. It's conceivable that this guy comes back. The DOW just won the australian open. We're hitting this point where and it feels like this is going to keep happening with that. But right there's going to be a next wave after these guys, where, like I don't know how to put pro since his perspective anymore, I'll watch and something about the eighty nine Niners about Steve Young was breathing down. Montana is back in its like. Is the old ban done tat? If it fitted movie like nine year, it was already like the old man look out, and now it's like brain

the old man is actually an old man is a bit of man and I just wonder with the records like I'm thinking praises like this: should the NBA have forty teams thou see these guys are going to play twenty two years instead of twelve, we have too many stars bit. Maybe we should have more teams. Maybe we should have. Thirty, two thirty five! I don't know, but I don't know that merely a more detailed for for the vast majority of people who even view themselves as NBA fans. They are often watching and be a games seeing players. They don't recognize that they had no relationship with those guys college that does not exist anymore. Laugh at you see Yeah, so I mean I've wanted to foot there. There are certainly more elite players. I mean

My view is always, I think, if you had four less teams, you'd right did that the number of of of really great basketball games would be away from one. So I'm off against increasing the number of times the launch everything you know. That said, that is a liquor the bunch of stuff on it. It's like depression in the way these guys treat their now is that we talk about US ordinance. Yes, unlike unlike don't like what the like there's so much for them gain by playing at the end, particularly when the money is so big. I mean record ramifications are the way is a broader, yet leg. Seventy five thousand minutes is he gonna shatter. The points record is even conceive like some as the greatest than isn't even conceivable. Somebody will play intend Superboss again and all these things. I can't tell if it's this

of just away. Sports is gonna, be where it's completely reasonable that people have thirty year careers. In ten years I mean it will be hard for someone to play in ten Superbowl, as quarterback, even if they have a thirty five year career I mean there. Is it really is. It suggests I'm sure there's like some kind of connection here, but like the fact that Brady's I had such a long career, mostly on a team it was always and contention like a lot of things have happened for that's me, George Blanda played a very long die right, but he wasn't consistently in a position to want to champion gyp, so that would like a records agenda

I guess, you're gonna become less discussed, because I agree that they'll be broken all the time I mean you know you were. I think, your dear Thompson, the guy who has appeared on your thing. I didn't do a peace on this. Unlike what records will be broken, you can look at like Chamberlains Records, but that's in they won't be broken. Probably because, like you. you watch like the Kobe Bryant eighty one point game. It seems that he's scoring every possession the idea of scoring Nike more points. It doesn't seem like a game. Someone should in there, but all the cumulative records are all going to disappear. I mean and is also dinner, really

You are understanding of like their guys now that we think are amazing because the statistics are putting up and then those statistics will become common and I dont know if we think of them in the same way like this seems to be all of these amazing quarterbacks right now, young amazed quarterbacks putting up these gargantuan numbers, but I think there was a sense of that like in the nineteen eightys, it was like look, I'm a yard deeper caskeys going for Erlich Wickwire gambles. three touch of this year's met. Shifting all these things happened that now we ve completely forgotten, like they're, not even a holiday you're, not going to talk about them in these hollow famed conversations, for it seems like a guy texted me recently, and he was like I'm looking at Kurt Cousin statistics. Kirk cousins going to make the hall of fame know. Everybody knows he's not like everyone knows he's not, but it is weird because if you only saw like you look at if you just call up like Jared Goff,

districts if you're my age. You look at these numbers near like you. This is a start, of a career but he's not gonna, make out fame. You know it's like its is not he's. Never gonna be one of the tempest quarterback Sinhalese, so we're just gonna. Look at those things differently. Star was the thing that it did. Her I get like above negative can push my book in the nineties book. I talk about this with baseball. The thing was steroids baseball. The problem to me: wasn't that he's guys were you're using these drugs or there were some I'll. Let you know they have this unfair advantage minutes. I can understand all those arguments, the thing that it did to baseball

was that that was the only sport where you could talk about a guy in nineteen ninety two and actually compared him to a guy from nineteen forty one in a realistic way and be like well, okay, you look at this deal and then that got destroyed like you know, the Brady Anderson hit fifty home runs or fifty five or whatever was that's like this is now all these things are meaningless. That was one of the things that really changed. The way baseball was perceived in this country because it took away the thing that says aid from every every other sport, which is that existed outside of time. It's gonna make a really hard to compare the grades from different errors. Cuz even like there's gonna, be a point. Thirty years from now in Jordan. Would you get and in any greatest arguments about Bali, only played you know, fifteen years guys now played forty years. We got lobby

James Juniors, sixty two is still playing like. There has been no way, though even air waiting, but the thing is, is that what people need to do, though, is that there is a tendency to take a guy now and move him back through time. You know I take Leubronn now and put him back two nineteen sixty six and be like: there's no way anybody out there, but you can't do you have to take him back to nineteen sixty six and then

have him be born in the early fortys, and you have to have him go through the experiences he would have had in the forties. The fact that he would have not played be were more canvas shoe and that people have been like. Maybe you should smoke cigarettes, the stay thin and the fact that, like you know all these things that maybe wouldn't have played on a hoop with a rim with a net for the rim, we hope, without a net until Highschool all these things that the way travel used to be like. I think I've told you this before this. I read this book, it's about that, like the relationship between Bob Chiusi and Bill Russell and one of the things it discusses by rid by this historic on my

Look shovel, reared Zaga, ah Gary comrades and like ok above Cosy, is the first leader of the Indian Players Union here in it lists with their demands were and its things like. You can't be made to write a train for more than thirty six consecutive hours, and it's like It's like you have to have nine dollars for food. If you're on the road for a week I mean I've come to paraphrase never whether it would not have ever faintly insignia. You can't point thirteen preceding games in the Spirit of sixteen day it s, like the think there are questions that they have. It's almost seems like that would be like if like what you like, what any kind of coach would be fired from making people do in practice, the other day to day life. You know, so that really do that. That really should, careers. I mean you, don't like the people always want to say things that they take a delay go. Are they looked back on on you like PETE Marriage,

sure whatever they like. What can we put him in a daze modern game? Here you can shoot trees. Now it's more wide open knows. I think, that's like that's true that debts in the van she would have, but it's not nearly as much as disadvantage. A modern player would have going back in time, rail. I just I just. I always think the way to do this, comparing guys in areas as you have to compare the distance between them and their peers at the time. That is the key is not how you, how the there their size or physical you anything that changes its how much better or they were then everyone else who is playing in the given moment that they were their best you'd, be ashamed of sports, because like music, where it was like absolute conceivable for somebody like twenty eight years in their career, to still have some sort of valuable contribution, as

because I music, it doesn't even happened. That often read by like if you went in Sub programme play right now, and they ve been together did thirty plus years. It would still be really get. You'd have a good time at the show, if you saw some athlete playing their sport thirty years into that sport, you wouldn't have is good of a time. That's where we have like, though retired games in this, the fight that, but there are some outliers of music, but for the most part it's usually like a decade. It's like five to ten years, where they peak very rarely see the person who twenty plus years anus, though crank it out stuff. That's like super duper interesting. Well, it's true. I guess it did not do not comparable,

no big business in the US and the other thing where we were literally talking about physiology, though so it would be if somebody was at their best twenty eight years later, I may, I guess there play billiards or something maybe the booty. Well, I guess acting acting, you could be maybe acting directing the gardener. Gough would be tired to imagine someone like, like I like her. You know it twenty eight years into an acting Herman? I get that you couldn't you, you could have a long acting career before you get famous, but success in acting seems more to do sort of with the role urine. Sir,

Stance, you're always good, but not liking. Odes, like XML Jackson, at a very long kind of insignificant career before then suddenly becoming this major performer means like that. It wasn't, though, he suddenly figured out how to act in the early nineties. It was just ready at city audience. You eighties, changed we're sports are sports early liked as much as you see, there's something I want to ask you about that that I heard, and while one of your pod guess it's not cut over, shall at all but I found it to be one of the most interesting thing you ever said. Unless I misheard that's, why Miss heard this and secure you play fantasy football? Did you carry for defence? Is the sheer did I understand that IFOR defences on your fan is that true I had in the last couple weeks of the season because,

so said: at running back receiver, quarterback unaided really need to have a bench. I picked up other defences to try to mix and match, depending on the weak tissue back again and advantage by the way than were yeah. I just I'd. Never I want everyone cares to that. My fancy team would occur so yeah it was just at the end of the year. You didn't, dare you didn't? I wasn't a whole carrying for defenses I've had years where I live, Ok, all right boys made. It was the most controversial thing you ve ever seen in my life before that doesn't make a lot of sense, but it makes some virtually any position outside of kicker makes sense to have forty. Oh that's like a little still be crazy, but I feel that the differences are so close, like the of points that they scoring while giving weak. The thing is, though, theirs

with three or four bad offences, especially as the season goes. So you think we ve learned headway, egg cell itself against you'd out the Texans, and I think I think they could actually get a defensive touchdowns about baby. I get seventeen points out that defence instead of eight thousand thinking, can we talk about your book shirt. So first I wrote a book about the nineties. It's a lot of shorter essays longer. I says all kinds of different takes on what happened. The first thing I texted union infection back wounded the nineties officially start because you talk but this in the in the book about. When does the decade become a decade? Does it start on January? First, one thousand nine hundred and ninety or does the concept of the ninety? Sometimes it could be We started. I I thought to me in my head, because I was lucky enough to be their Douglas, knocking out Thyssen to me, when the ninety start- and I don't know why. But that's like the first nineties moment and then like

now. Don't you know shows up right after and just some nineties things like the Univee team, and now I now I just started I'm in the nineties, starting with that devastated the well ok so window the nineties officially stacked well, I suppose, efficient

they do start on January, first of nineteen, ninety, but no decade or time operate that way. Nobody thinks that when the calendar changes like life has shifted with this move, there is sort of a conventional take or develop should be the conventional take on this is that you start the 90s with the fall of the Berlin Wall. You know one thousand nine hundred and eighty nine and then ends at with nine hundred and eleven moving into the 21st century, and the way my book is framed. It does. That is the important that nine hundred and eleven is the endpoint of it, but I don't feel like the 90s begin with the fall of the Berlin Wall, because when I look at one thousand nine hundred and ninety, it still seems a lot like

Jeanne eighties on autopilot that allow the things that happened throughout the eighties had really sort of come together in a kind of get calcified and the year. Ninety, ninety, especially when you look at it culturally and politically, is still very much the way the eighties work. I do think at the idea of the nineties sort of having a texture. I feel a way of perceiving the world differently in a collective way, does begin with the release of never buy, never mind my nirvana, not because that

album with so much greater than any other record that had come out in the previous years or is the greatest record of the nineties. I dont believe those two things, but I think that once never mind and particularly like that thicker than the but the visual component and the sun, it complied of smells like team spirit, became sort of universally understood, as the biggest saw in the biggest record in the world. There was this idea that now all ideas had to be pushed through this filter of this singular individual. The wake her Cobain looked the way he acted. His view on what was important. All things had to be understood through that an talk about the 90s were really talking about. Are these ideas that sort of emerged from that inception point now, plus there the nightmares kind of to night there's like the first half in the second half internet in internet.

I would actually say it has to do with sort of like dates. The I mean if you look at nineteen ninety five as this critical turning point for the internet. You know where your Amazon starts as a kind of a bookseller craigslist comes into play. All these things like there's even a book, and I use that source material like like ninety ninety five year, huge began but for most people, the internet was still something that they were hearing about. That was coming in two years. It would be here and everything would change. Oh, what has changed so it's got change everything he always silicon insular world. Would I, when I think of the two nineties, I sort of think of how that that the first part of the decades there was this. You know like the independent film movement, exploded and and and crunch became sorted, this dominant music, which was the idea of

what had once been seen as the counterculture was not dominate dominant culture, we had a change election at nineteen. Eighty two. Where sort of the idea of Well even though George Bush had been exceedingly popular for the first two and a half years of his presidency, there was this idea that we need in the world to be different and He became an exceedingly unpopular president during the one window of time when it really matters we get out of that. Cobain kills himself to patch, of course, killed a lot of these things that that sort of seemed like central ideas about. Ninety culture were like abruptly stopped, and we

moved into this more caricature period were like a lot of the ideals that were expressed with some degree of sincerity in the early part of the decade were now sort of like it's funny like it it like the term calling things. The genetics or slacker. And all these words, though, even the word irony cut it became like a funny sort of simulation of what people were actually experienced. So the way the way this book is framed, I I I I basically begin with Nirvana and go through September. Eleventh. yeah, add don't to me. Everything starts and ninety one, even though there's bread crumbs and ninety, but you mention like some of this stuff like the music and it wasn't. You know you had the gun turn there, but you also had he apartment I'm really sorry! you got more and more mainstream, especially as we got into ninety two ninety three, but then you ah said the movies to you like new Jack City,

boys now heard- and you had on tv, where there were no black shows all the sudden we're starting to get some again and in living collar, and things like that and the culture was just starting to feel a little different. Michael Jordan is becoming the most famous person. The world as and bird air were kind of shoved them to decide and magics Sage Ivy announcement. I think that's another one where you could say that's one of like this seminar started the nineties moments where that was like that generations version of I remember I was when I heard that I think anyone who is in college younger all their their member. Where they her when they heard that news, you know something for the Gulf WAR

When sir, I felt her sanity like like it? It's we feared the things you remember like up. Your quiver are watching the magic Johnson enough in it on television when happened- and I was speaking about, I asked you about your fancy. Football team are running a fancy basketball league in College and of emerald, I'm watching this and my phone rings think it's gonna be a friend of mine or somebody's

shocked by this, and there are, like I wanna, picks Adele threat of waivers fleshed out. I did I really remember that activities to God, I thought about simply Maria and I guess it up the but use something though I do want like ok to talking about these these seminal moment. So these things it really make you remember these things and there's that that's in this book to a degree. Yet this book is not static. Right ended, it is its frustrating because you write a book about the nineties, and people are like. Oh yeah, he's trafficking in the stalled yet, but which illustrates that people do not understand the definition of the word discharging the stalled. You is consciously miss remembering the past through an emotive lens, to make it be different. That actually was

to look back at something that may have been bad and saying. Oh, it was actually great, especially, are all these things. My book is not like that. I do not look at the nineties. Do in emotional. Let is like a back. I maybe I should say this, but I soon that, despite some people, listen to this progress and there like. Oh, this is going to be a book. Like I talk about my life in the nineties, I'm not in this fuckin book like ivy, that's like that's now it it's! So these things you're talking about that are like a like, like member

mobile things. That did you really really remember them. They necessarily necessarily reflective of where the culture was moving as a whole fact. Sometimes sometimes you remember them because they seem to contradict contradict what was happening me like Fouquet, like the Oj Simpson Bronco Chase. I think that is real reflective of further the way people felt about the world of the time, because we have this guy who's, a celebrity who murdered people like you. He could commit suicide on live television everyone's watching this event, and yet the stakes still felt kind of low. You were still watching. This is entertainment. It did not seem like a tragic event. What it was it was disturbing is disturbing, because so many people seemed excited about it. I mean things like that. I do think have a real connection to the way

certainly already young adults, were kind of living their life through the nineties, because you are able to sort of think about yourself as separate from side, which is not how it is now like. Now it's it's. It's really kind of perceived as a credibly problematic to be someone who's like well, you know, I can't think about. What's going on out there, like I'm, I'm I'm thinking about. What's going on in here, like my life, is small, like you're supposed to believe that your

It is big because you're part of a movement during the nineties we're different in that way and that it was very acceptable to be a separate individual to be a separate person and just sort of live a small life that was really interior. So when I talk about and write about things in the nineties, often kind of comes back to that, the idea that you can live a life that was not necessarily intertwined with the culture, but more kind of just sort of bouncing off it I think we're say in most of the same thing cause it to me the seminal moment, remember about the nineties, the red there is, the matter was because we didn't have any connective tissue to the outside world for the most part like I've thought about this before, but my friends and I used to love Buffalo bill from sounds a little

like we, and we thought we were the only ones we had no idea anyone outside. He was hilariously funny and we did jokes like that about him. For you, is in years and then, when the internet came out, then it's like a weight other people that this is funny. We thought who is just as so when you had these weird moments say like Gulf WAR was one of the few times where you kind of knew. Everyone around was experiencing the same thing same thing for the MAGIC Hiv and it does things, but sometimes do stuff. You had no idea that goes to the point you are making about Europe, around the world with whoever was in it with the writer You read with the movies you watch with the tv shows you watched with her, whatever other cultures, your experience from a culture standpoint, but that was it in you didn't, really know you can experience anything not even in real time or read after without the rest of the world like the same way like you and I could watch, Bills Chiefs Game Now- and if I wanted to go on twitter, I have all these friends of March the bills Cheapskate

The dinosaur were really lonely, and I think you hit that. I think you hit that point. really well in the book before we had the connected you have even emails and message boards and ninety six. Ninety seven there's five years there were just kind of like I have my friends, that's it. I watch tv show if I called Jacko to talk about this will work, and that is the only person I knew who watched it. You now and I at there is loneliness that I haven't seen a lot of movies from that era, capture, whether we like kicking and screaming cause that kinda. That's one of the few movies that it's a lonely was back then, for whatever reason this is very interesting bill. I guess I am parts may agree with you and parts of me disagree yoga in some senses well that the illusion of connection that the internet creates is in some ways more alienating. I agree with you and let the people and that people

now feel lonely, despite the recognition that there having this shared experience, you know, no part of me is like well. You know I do recall, but here again the personal thing Sayer one thousand nine hundred and ninety five or whatever young living by myself in Fargo, I might just go out and walk to the Barnes and noble and hang out in that barns and noble for two hours, like looking. Sitting on couches, I guess maybe in my mind, sort of imagining some scenario where, like I meet someone and we're both looking at a book about thoroughbred racing or something it's like a wow, it's like there's all these books, but right thing, and then a relationship comes from that it never ever happened. But I think that was I was like it was almost like. You were going to a bookstore with the idea, somehow that all the other people there, who were lonely, we're somehow going to create a like a community of

but who had similar interests in these. Both the coffee shops are like that too, I'm gonna go, get coffee and I'll just sit there at a table, and maybe I'll talk to somebody, I guess in it in a way those like. Maybe this is exactly what I'm talking about, maybe so. This maybe proves my own sort of argument wrong, but that period of loneliness to me what you're describing his loneliness, seems desirable now here right away. I know that could be an example of looking back at the past, something bad saying. Well, I'm looking at emotionally now so deciding that that was goods yeah. Maybe I was very unhappy during that period. What did you

elbows, like so many things like community was more optional like it was. I know sometimes I feel like I am being pulled into society and pulled into the discourse against my will and that you cannot exist without it like I have to be on twitter because it's pretty much impossible to be someone cells, books, tat like like, I would have to rely on. I would like to hope like that that people are interested. Not in fact, is almost an obligation to do that. I'm interested in the news he can't. We follow the news and leisure and social media its it wouldn't work, otherwise, so that all these things are happening against my will. It's like I'm, I'm living in this kind of virtual world

because of choosing to, but because, if like that's, can the only way to live and be a certain kind of mediated person. Ah, oh either, but we should like to see you felt when you say what do you mean when you say love me, I guess, but you literally mean alone, or that you were with people and felt alone? Is both Kanab. I'm an answer that question. after this break this episode, the bills events pack asked his bride, you by state farm with some of the surprises in the league. This week we gotta shut out the good neighbours and stay firm for offering surprisingly great rates was good to see that their the commercials during some of possess games, so either

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there's a ladder, differences answers million differences, get ninety ninety two, ninety three, if you were alone, you're, actually really loved by giving its like oh two hours. What am I gonna do? My friends are around- maybe I'm not with by Am I my roommates gone whatever now? It's just you. So what am I gonna do and for people like us for election write something I'm to read a book urban watches game do whatever now, if it's like, she feel any sense. Loneliness you can go online and in some way have some sort of Can I read? Other people are just gonna be around people. You know you're, not you talk about the alienation thing I do.

What I do wonder like is that a good thing or not whether it's like, maybe sometimes it's ok, to be lonely. You know, I guess when I think back to the nineties. Sometimes I think about just like you know: Benin College just wanted to get off campus and driving in my car for like three hours, listen to music they. I would never do that now rig! Wait where my wife, where you going I'm just going to get in my car and drive for three hours like that was something I actually did in nineteen ninety two. So it's different, I'm not sure if it was better. I also think pop culture was so much more in the early nineties in shape so many different things in such a weird way in your book. It's a lot of it in in ways like it. It informed

We talk the way we shoehorn, jokes and casual conversations in ways that I think would seem kind of weird or force now back. Then it did it and they pop culture, was just everywhere sports all that stuff. It was a lot of our communal experience. Back then yeah, I dont know if I would say the amount pop culture has decreased. That actually seems like that. His English feels like we have my own area. I think that part of what I find interesting maybe want to write a book about this period. is it the natives of the last decade of the twentieth century In many ways there also maybe the last decade that we will have in terms of understanding a period of time through this idea that there are these values and ideas and a liking can concepts that are central to the experience. Even people disagree with them, for example, if, like the that, the qualities that we

We ascribe to degeneration acts, for example. That was really only a sliver of the populace. Like I'll admit, I was very much like a legacy of the cliche of all those things, but most people were not. and even more and even one of the people who were we're very consciously. You know against those sort of ideas, but we all understood that this sort of what people are saying about the world now and we share these ideas and we either have to be against ever be part of them like it was. It was something better. It was ever harder to live as a kind of a niche idealist other women. like I mention about this, is here, there was, of course of fascination what the seventies in the nineties clear. Always it's like an honest I analyse dodging to them. In the seventies, there was interest in the fifties. Ok with the eye that, like all we watch happy days wisely,

surely we watch Greece. He was a more whole some time, then the eightys there was an obsession with the sixties. Yes, like family ties, you know thirty something the big chill. The old an example of this and when people in the eighties we're thinking about the Sixtys, it was sort of like well, what does it mean that we thought had this could have radical revolution of thought and that all can a fellow part was all fake. You know and so in the nineties. Of course, there was interest in the seventies in a predictable way, except for the way it manifests itself had to do. Just like the stuff from the seventies going. You gonna show like that. That being the

in the nineties, where the kids doing in that seventy show the sitting in a basement no driving around their parents, car and smoking weed, which is the same experience. High school kids were doing the aids in the seventies in the sixtys. It wasn't some alien portal, but this could only have happened in the seventies what those kids are doing in the seventies and that seventy show is not unlike what kids in the nineties were still doing, and now those things those relationships don't work, but with no kind of moved into this proposal.

We'll sense of now that the difference between the time periods, in terms of like how we see the culture seemed static, and yet what people are actually doing within those spaces is new because it it it there there was just like like it. It made its policies, coincidental, but their density does seem to be some kind of said, Nick significant break with the twenty first century. In terms, how we expect people were soon. People are living their daily lives, and that is the internet because, as you know, theater start in the nineties, but it doesnt really exist the way we understand it until the twenty first century Yes, the nineties went along. You covered some of this too there's so much, there's way more hope and optimism in the first part,

nine days and then by the lay part, the nineties, its there's way more disillusionment, disappointment how certain things turned out and, as you said by it, becomes like a little bit of karaoke of the early. That is in lot of ways, but you know like the Grunge stuff and people like Cobain and Tupac and Biggie, and you know we lose all these different people o dot j, everything that happens with the trial really rips off this child. You know, wound that America has that were pretending. We don't have what we do and then the quaint presidency, where there's so much hope, at least in some circles, with him. As I shall say, possible, J F K it's just. I just didn't turn out that way and then by the second term, he's in than their Lewinsky situation and a few other things, and by the time, we get to ninety nine there's really supply without that turned out, and we have wide UK coming up. We have no idea what's happening, that judges, everything seems so much more chaotic

By ninety nine, all these weird subtle is that I really think I felt like was weird at the time, but now I looked back in my earlier. Things got hollow where there will be the ninety two election is interesting because for a lot of people it was the first time they could imagine a president who seemed more like their father as opposed to a grandfather. You have everything you see, he seemed exceptionally young cleansing, accept oh yeah, and you know, Clinton was a president who was interested in popular called on its own terms, like capitalist and wants to interview me, I will touch it habits or ensure are sent you a whole wants me the play saxophone onto show. I will do that. What's my favorite song outs, gold, dust woman by Fleetwood, MAC, you like what we like

You want to ask me about what kind of underwear I wear. I will tell you what kind of underwear I wear, because your inspector, like Clinton, sorta, had this idea. It's like cultures, just their culture is what it is, I'm not going to fight it. George Bush bought it, provided he was. He was into it, so it did sort of given the sense that, like oh you know, maybe

Things are going to be different now in an almost like a natural way like almost beyond what political policies he might adopt, or have expressed just the fact that you, the younger person who seems like he is interested in where the world is going, is opposed to where the world was still gave. I think people a sentence of optimism but Ewing's practised. He was. He was a good precedent for the nineties, because the nineties, where an easy time to president, we were not involved in the article wars. The economy was good, like you know like they were. The only superpower left China really not emerge. Yet Russia had fallen

So for those times he was a very good president and then out now a course of the the view of prayer of Clinton is extraordinarily negative. I mean you know so often a president leaves office and immediately is appreciated. More focused. Can anybody what we win? Your the president, you ve got to be polarizing, yeah, half the count he's going to be against. You would all types and then you know a guy leave office, but you ve seen the George W Bush almost immediately. The perception of them softens and improves Clinton is different in the sense that Healy, office and initially that happens, but now probably less popular than almost any point in his existence, in terms of the way that people who sort of blame neo liberalism on everything point to him. I mean people. Look at that he's situation and they can't believed that, like his presidential approval

and went up after this. Let me that's like younger people. I think particularly younger women alive times, will look at claimed and they'll be like how was this? This was the president like yeah, but that is that this is a like a temptation. I really thought hard against when writing this book, which is not to look at the past the way we think of things now. Yet I really wanted to write this book, how it actually He was at the time how it felt at the time. That's why I didn't do like. I could have interviewed a lot of people about their memories of the nineties, but I know if I did that their memories would shift tour ever their position is now one does this ever I even feel is maybe, as we you and I are talking about the nineties. We are unconscious

Talking about the past through the idea that the person we are now with the person we were then- and I wasn't the case again, so I really tried to write about Clinton. The way seemed at the time, which was certainly not wholly positive, but not the way. It is now as this sort of us like it's like this, this tragic misstep for the country that the gap is like that, because I think that would an accurate, I ate it. I was, and we will see what happens with a bit. I I realize we read a book like this. You can't control how is consumed, how people want to perceive it. How people want is sometimes consciously misread it, but my goal was to Sort of be correct, no weird Wailea like I was at the door. There are things that I'm writing about in this book that have no personal relationship to me that I base like like I did,

not like the movie titanic when it came out, but I read about. I can either that there was a real critical moment in film culture, because the nineties had sort of suggested at one point that independent film was gonna become the way a serious person thought about film and the idea of spending two hundred million dollars on this epoch movie it up and tell the day it was released. Everyone thought tat. Kanak was a terrible idea. Every story about Titanic before its release is how this is going to be a disasters. We, like Heavens Gate or whatever else, but that completely altered. Then the way to move forward, and now, when you look at how from culture is now only movies using a titanic like model seem to succeed at anything else, is a surprise or sort of shifted to a different kind of compartment, of where film can be no way that I

I thought I'd annex I didn't like it. I gave it a negative review and came out, but I now understand- and maybe even I understood then why this film in particular the way the way lean uttered a Caprio was covered and the kind of character he became was the guts a pretty important thing. I mean he's the only actor and will be the only actor in history who is both a star under the old system where they were like headed, separated, didn't like an ivory tower and they were just as unknowable figure and a star in the post, modern way where the audience does all the work and like his fan base works for him like it's not just enough to have a picture of him on from a tiger,

on your wall. You needed to get out on the internet and support the idea of leaned our Dicaprio being important. So things like that, I think, are- are worth sort of re investigated the unit they don't have much meaning to me. You know it's fun about the nineties. For me is that it's such a self contained. decade that actually has a beginning, and that bears what the actual years decade, where you know you think, like the sixties, the sixties are really different from the start to the end right it almost like the early sixties. Could almost that's like the mad men, Don Draper sixties, it's almost like its own decade and then we go to like the sixty six and on and then that becomes like a different decade and you could argue like sixty seven. Seventy ex make more sense as an actual tenure span, then sixty sixty nine to either. I look at the nineties to the bitter end, like ninety nine Blair witch. That's something that

really had to have happened in the nineties. You know where it's like we could keep. The secret of a movie and you could release the movie and I should go to a theater and not know if it was true or not and not have enough people in my life to tell me one way or the other was that actually found footage or not left the theaters. That was that real love with my future wife from where, like I think that was a movie, but wait was so. What do you

happen and in two years later, that's gone by guiding nine eleven everything. That era everything shifts in, but neither at TAT just feels distinctly dynasty, but its thanking any night so at an if I made sense all that. Well, not with the period you're talking about is a kind of sea as this window of like we'll. Let you see what happens. I mean that this was one of the consequences that, like they're, like that, like like, unlike the weird, were to use that they like slept the earnest alternative culture of the early ninetys. I mean like the crunch. Bans were real serious and let you know and end the film was changing in television changing in these ways that would serve seen as significant but part of what came out of that was kind of up. You know flipping of the kind of cultural landscape where all these things

once believed TAT could never be mass popular now work, I mean like a building a band like a likely dinosaur junior. The breeders are something in the nineteen eightys. There would have never been assumption that these bans can be big, that they can be in the cover of a magazine, a river. Then nineties happened in those things change, so we keep moving through this period in the nineties without it it becomes like. Well, who knows what might work like? Let's see what you see if that happened jail, you see a lot of of of pop song from this period, diverse strains up like out o the bottle surfer. Song pepper would like here to ban this drug old, art Rock Texas, bad. You please dissident music, let's see if they can come up with a song. That sounds a little bit like a normal to a little compromised or whatever, and the now be a big it or the Blair Witch projects like this movie looks like it was made on purpose

What a great idea for a movie! Let's try that the whole idea of alternative comedy, which is very often comedians, making jokes about the structure of comedy like telling jokes that did not have pipelines. That was the funny by that became a central part of everything. So yeah. I talk what otherwise you'd like to the ninety nine or two thousand is a quote by usually created to Charles Bartley, although some people say was actually kissed. Chris Rock, where wary like D says. Like you know, the world like fucked up when the best gopher is black,

in the best wrappers white, ok, and I would certainly at the eel in some ways that was like. Why would a crazy thing these these these two idioms of the world, that we associates having very clear values to flock, but in a sense it was like when we see that what happened now there was. I do so. I that's where I think at the end of the Ninetys, there was still this idea that there were some ideas. You could be pre excited about, because a lot of the things that we had once said my happen were actually happening. The best offer was a guy who was black. By racial gamble. Duration by his like scanned, is black to the consumer. Yell Eminem was the biggest artist, both hip, hop and basically in pop music. You know that had seemed like something that in the eighties, when we advocate that the Beastie boys, but no ice in eighteen? Ninety, it was always like kind of funny that their white and he was like

I'm right, that's part of who I am that's part of of of my identity, and yet I doing this art form, which I love and eyesight it it's hard. You know it's the hardest thing about writing about history in general, specifically, like you know, closest to the nineties, aren't it just today, there's always this desire to look back and say this thing that we all thought doesn't how a what's it was the opposite. Like you know, it's like, like, like calibre stammered the book in the fifties and that the book opens and like you, we think of the fifty this kind of like a leg

they'd, knowledge, you that's not how it was always the opposite, and yet with the Ninetys, it would be incorrect to claim our perception of that time. Now is always wrong, like as people filling I system was elected, my book was not revisionist enough and it's like well, I dont want to be revisionist if that's not necessary or if it's not true, what I do I tell you, I think there is a big self awareness in the nineties that we had that. Maybe the other decades lacked said do fairly discussing allow the stuff in real time and daddy. Don't that's part of it. I dont know if you and I had been on that. We we ve talked about this before you and I had been on the same foreign high school Would we have hate each other? Would we have been friends or would we have had a love hate relationship cause? I do feel like your friends would have been different, my friends, but I would have

into your friend group to argue about pop culture and sport stuff, and I think we eventually would have become friends. Well, that's a real, hard question because our we high school, where this high school class. You said in this chamber at college, Werner dorm, ok But I am a sophomore near freshmen and you come in. I know I do nobody has, because we can once again were kind of thinking of our else, is younger versions of the way we are now. I dont think I was this way when I was a freshman college. I dont think I was like the way for how long have you known each other like twenty years, but twenty years now I mean you're you're always up for When I I felt we would have been arguing about stuff the Baghdad we care about what I was saying I, but when I was a freshman in college. I was really argue meadows.

Really adds that I would have liked you out, but I forgot reality here is arguably bleach, never had a bridging role everywhere. I was you know: what's had fixed All world view. You know I the I I was. I was extremely compared there. That's the thing. That's one thing that I feel like his change about music. Just an extreme we compare the person now granted. If we were on. If we lived in the same terms as the kind of fun, I data go through what still that's guy, as I assume that you would have proper, de I would have assumed you're one of the only people in the building who knew as much about sports as I did in other men. Twenty other guys you did, but I would have assumed you would have been the only one big up, so we would have had their inquired

we would abandon newspaper together and we would have had a robbery cause. You would have had a leg general com, I would add a sports com. Possibly that could have happened. I guess yes, I guess I could see that. I think we had one I think we have one huge argument about something really ridiculous like, but that was a normal thing to do now and even handed against the person. I, like my closest friends, we're just we argued all the time you know and in an office and like really personal ways that seems kind of like it, wouldn't you could never exists now. You could never do that. Not just at the time is changed that all will be part of it, but also its like as an adult arguing as different like like a E. U

can't say there's an idea that everyone is kind of editing their behavior whatever. I think that's fair. I also think friendships are different. Cuz, like I just think about it, like after college, you do my closest friends from college. I would call them- and we were talked for like an hour and now, like my closest friends from college, I text with constantly, but we rarely on the phone, and it's like I feel there are my life, but there are probably not in my life the same way I would have been if I call them once a month for an hour. You know I mean it there in my life and like a like a not as good way, that relationship we tax but thought I call you like hey, what's goin on no really Debbie If I may call you'd, think something was wrong. I do I'd facto. I think that I probably worked well, I said first, thank you were asking me up. I cast, I guess, there's a drunk. I wanted to tell you. It is in its strange

work. I mean you know, I would guess if we somehow Edna dominate the hidden, get good measure the amount of time you and I have spoke in our lives, and one was four times we have spoken with each other in public as and one was about the times we have spoken with each other. You know what doing a podcast. You know they wouldn't be dramatically different. I have to write more in life because a grantline private grantline, I felt, like the vast majority of our interactions, had been like in a public setting like right. Dear boy, you get older to their kids. They stop like you, know, there's let there is less options to go out, but a date. That's one thing about the nineties, like I do feel like people hung out in a slightly different way by God, be mainly because what are we gonna do? You know like it was a gift.

One of my friends was coming for the weekend. That was going to be the most exciting thing. On my week I get to hang out with my friends, but now you know if I was like twenty two and I had the internet, would it be at fighting that when my friends his command or no? I don't. I honestly, don't know the answer, because I feel like that friend was in my life all the time and it wouldn't have the same impact vague. Oh my god, my friends here. Yeah, I don't know I don't know I don't have. I dont want adjust have changed in a way like I, I dont have a great deal of friends we're our relationship began. In a virtual realm, which I think is a much more common to happen now, yeah right, the EU, so that part of it. I am.

I now move on to the member states. Bear the proverb: precede nobody's gonna, hafta, we're just gonna, be it it's about virtual simulation argue with each other any Ike. I guess that I mean strange Pardon me things just not going to happen, but you know I went out other abolish the members. Let me I love you. What what do you think was the highlight of the nineties, whom is it was a packs bound for the nineties was the peak. When was the nineties? The most dangerous Was the nineties the more ok? That's what is that ninety is mostly by nine these this moment that we had It would be a sad bomba. You could say it's the OJ marches. I would actually say that would probably be by it.

Very even that was kind of a grim day that we know that that would be right up there. I mean like out in terms of like a lot of things from that period, allowed to think that would come later kind of coalesced around this. One event that, like head, was like like like head, was tragic comedic at the same time- and you know I, Things like I don't know in many ways I feel like Zima is such a representation of the nineties in the sense that it was like, like the idea of a something that that seemed, futuristic that was just Coors beer put through a coal field

though it had no color, which is something, of course no one had ever asked for it will demand. It was more demand for like clear beer, the tasted like champagne sprite reading, but someone brought it up, but it, but it was created, and then there is this idea. That's like you know is it. Is it healthier because its clear it is for women? Is it this is directed towards yell, like like what demographic are they going after with this is? Is it did you drink it and knock it d? Why is it for young people which does not really knew of, but the idea was like well, this is so stupid. Maybe it's

brilliant and I felt like this is the nineties. You know I've been like that the whole idea and all of the battles over the concept of selling out in some ways where this thing like this idiotic idea, is the most important thing about you was arched like we all understand that it makes no sense to create obstructions for yourself to limit your audience and consciously cut off your possibility for real success. However, you need to do, though things should be considered relevant important, and if you do, do you need? Then street credible you? What is it was? It was more than street where it was

I like it illogical. It was like what like it like. The idea of selling out was built around this ideology that that, if you need to be loved by people, you have no relationship with you aren't like you and who aren't your sort of peers, your cheapening and commercializing. The thing you're making the art is. Your art is less valuable because you have made it valuable to people who, in some sort of abstract reality, aren't supposed to be, soon by animals be interested. If you try. Yes, your motive for doing this is is false. Your motive for doing that should be that you want to do it for yourself and people exactly like you add. It should be insular culture, we shall westerner on purpose that was manifested most famously reality bites, which is ridiculous movie that we, both

but was it out, will know, I mean that's dead, establish that was where they hit this in the most basic hardest way of IKEA. These to pass for you, as last year, the aid through this weird documentary made or you could sell out, and it could become this terrible in Tunisia and she, then you know, and unlike the script was rewritten like eighty times arise, product placement is got major stars in it is kind of a flat version. It would really is. Is this like up? It's like this sell out attempt at illustrating the problem of selling out yet, which is why it handles it. So perfectly I mean even hawks character in that movie is the best encapsulation of the imagined genetics person.

maybe a person who never actually existed anywhere, but this was the assumption is, was I knew a lotta trust me? I know of your choice, you, I wouldn't you knew everybody close to that guy compared to that, but I mean for him. It is. It is the complete absence of his like every fibre of him. Is that, like everything that we think and pretend about generation, we put in a year as it did. I think that's a pretty well able movie in terms of understanding. The past is not really an illustration of what the past like, but its away to understand what people were trying to sort of world built like like the like. We want to believe that this is how it is so, let's package this into a movie and then sort of pretend

It's been ripped out of society. I just that. I'm married or any other variations of that where we put all these people together in their different, but collectively this is gonna being something and it was like the railroad recite that mirrors It is right that singles the camera chrome will be. That was like that words like we ve taken these types of people in their out again. And you're gonna to if I, with one of these people, and then it became friend, This became the one that a marked at the mouth was like. We have this, these six people. There are friends there, not alike there. This coffee posted.

Swell having these are all things that are like. Yes, like ok, some friends, I have a quote from one of the creators from friends in this book about how like she's talking like the Orange County register, and she makes a point of saying out, like our people on friends, you don't look like the other people. In reality, bites does like Ethan Hop was dirty all the time you not static. Friends was super successful gates debut on Thursday night, opposite myself called life. So now we now use my so called life as the shorthand for like this was like that that the deal heard of culture in the real world like Angela Chase was the way A lot of young women were at that time and jeered letter and all these things they did that there are all the everything about you Buffalo Tom is an episode. all these early night. He is our in this one sees it am I so called life, but it only last one season and then it is gone, but for

and on the on envy, see myself alive was uneasy, goes on for ten years, and a big part of that is is because here too show about the nineties with people in their twenties going to the prom of young adults. It seems like it should be like a Jew. show, but it's not. These characters exist outside of time. You watching episode of friends. It is very difficult to figure out what years this happening like there's. The episode they talk about who did in the blow fish is the emphasis the dad about, like a still gets a groove acts, but those are air. That's a very, very rare stand for the most part. The reason friends is still popular. Now is because that show could have happened at any period. You look at the coffee shop. They go to. There's no coffee shop like that then, and no coffee shop like that. Now it's not like Starbucks is not a corporate place, is also not cool. It sort of like all things that you

A coffee shop could possess in this one setting. So the idea that, like like the Ninetys, were actually consumed and defined by the things we remember is pretty much wrong. I mean it's like you. I, like Electioneer TWAIN, was fourteen times more popular than Courtney. Of a lot of these things, We remember, are kind of false memory. Well, it's all so that the people talking about it after the fact helps a memory which is something you ve written about it. But the book comes out February's. Can I can't give you my Superbowl have predicted the account. I have something to say about the Superbowl I, let's do it never gets bigger. Ok, so I was thinking about the last time that the Bengals, when suitable, you remember that Niners Bengal suitable. I should do yoga. What do you remember about it?

I remember rights that they stand. Yes, its air and it seems like every time the Niners need a first down every time. They need the ball every time, its critical. They go to rice until the very last position when they drive the field and John Taylor scores the game winning touchdown. I remember watching it real time. Everyone just kind of assumed that rice, it got the ball and there really. Oh, no that's Taylor, so I was thinking about some of the history of the Superbowl since then. So what the year the cardinals got beat but the Steelers and they really really relied on their if its Gerald, but at the end, if the then there was the year when the Pats be deferred, against the Falcons, really relied on Julio Jones, and then it seems as though, if you really exclusively an exclusively rely on one wide receiver, he can be impossible to cover the whole game. But if you throw the kitchen sink, I'm at the end, you can take him away

both rams in the Bengals, really rely on one guy like like the Rams Good CUP every time they need anything and you know and end the Bengals go to chase. So I think the cue the skin will be is if Odell Becum place very well for the ramps, because I feel it there's gonna be a period where they're gonna have to go. I think I'll. Go be clubs, I'm assuming I have listened to all the shadow around it. I'm assuming the conventional wisdom is like the Bengals can protect the quarterback and the rams of the dominant defensive line. Maybe they'll have maybe maybe they just will not be able to block the rams and that'll be it, but I, I think

games gonna be close, and I think the rams are gonna need a key, DR late in this game to win and they will not be able to go to cut the variant there will have to go to jail, and I think, if he plays well were makes play the rams when and if he does not the Bengals away. So you were to make the same case about t against the bangles. I think that is possible, but I dont think they would. I dont, I think, if you're the Bengals, you probably won't go away from your guy. He's too much like like, like she's, is too much better than the too much better. He just didn't. He significantly better.

Then these their impact. Yet here, whereas I feel the ranch arrived, you have couple options and the thing is they couldn't like, like it's amazing to me how cup can manage to get open? No matter what the conditions are, what the situation is, but there might be a time late in this last game of the year when the Bengals believe or know that the rams are going to come up and they just throw everybody at and then it becomes difficult he's gonna have to go away from, and if you can do that, I'm the win, the goes away from me can succeed, the rams will lose I'm taking my son and he can't believe Kendrick Cheesy, it's funny to actually know somebody. That's excited about the half. I'm sure that's happened from before my son's fire for the game tube

he liked camp. We above these artists, are gonna, be singing together and have them super urgently. That would wait. What are your seats? Like? I don't know, I don't know yet not on earth. I find out at some point I'll, be there the absurdity of nine hours to get in aid to get out, but I check your becomes out next week. Can you come back like MID March, and I want to talk about the reactions to the book like most surprising things that The prize you the most about what people said, because I mentioned suit the perception of the book as cause. I know you're trying to do for it, but you had also tol me before I read it yes saw be interested you know when people read it what they thought there can read verses, what they read and then what they bilaterally disagreed or agreed with sure I can do that so come back and then are you doing any tore stuff Well, you know I have the idea of this book. Initially, the reason is coming on seven

weary, as opposed to last fall. Is we can file? This would be over ass, gonna tour for three weeks ago toward the EAST Coast now is going to the West Coast, and then I was in a dual like many applicants, cargo lost in Denver, the middle of the country and the third week, but I've got killed all all the events are virtual. Now. Actually it's not true. I do in a real event in Seattle on the top. First, I love say at once: all the other ones are now virtual. Like the day, the book comes out is a virtual event with the bookstore here Powell, in Portland, enters into York one. So there, sir, there is no tour. I didn't have any like that hard. It is to find a grant, is differing views on what covert is like now but like to get all the pieces together for stores. For me for the populace, it was just impossible. So, no,

really is no door will by the book? Good luck with it. Thank you. That's it for the podcast. Don't forget, we watch balls after family February is happening. Ordinary people was the first one check it out to be in the past. These to part as well, on Friday, I'll be on speed one more time on Thursday, don't forget about our same game, pie. as ever do every Wednesday for Fender have that at their tomorrow, and I will see here on Thursday ways.